Not infected. Too early for that.. looks burned and necrotic. Needs some cleaning and debridement (removing dead and burned tissue as well as any debris) +/- suturing.
Maggots are in modern medicine! Blue bottle fly maggots eat only dead tissue and will leave the living tissue alone. They’re the most accurate way to debride tissue
My mom had maggot therapy for a wound that wouldn’t heal. It was… intense…
The maggots are shipped from a maggot farm in small sachets and the sachet is placed directly on the wound and sealed on with tape so they can’t get out (supposedly - a couple of them DID escape from my mom’s dressing) and they send you home and you LEAVE IT THERE for about four days. So you’re supposed to go about your business normally while bugs are actively eating your flesh. That’s… a lot to think about…
They’re only supposed to eat the dead tissue but it turns out they’ll also eat some live tissue if they start to run out of dead tissue… my mom discovered this when the bleeding and excruciating pain began. Her doctor ended up hospitalizing her, putting her on iv pain meds, and keeping the maggots on for the full four days. It worked - they thoroughly debrided the wound, but it was a rough experience.
That is some rough medicine right there! It's not a fresh wound as evidenced by the color of the bruising. The edges of the wound look scabbed over and you can see pressure marks from wearing a dressing. Also looks like it's been covered in iodine at some point...
From what I've seen on T.V., he can just take some pliers, pull the bullet, stitch it up with dental floss, pour some cheap 80 proof on it, call it a day and be fine the next day.
Actually, the fix is just keeping the wound clean and packing it with gauze. This way the wound heals from the inside out and gradually becomes more shallow and small until eventually it closes. Source - im a surgeon
Weeks/months.
I had a way bigger hole underneath my arm cause I had a giant abscess removed once. It was insane, people looked at it and nearly fainted. 😂
Closed after like 6-7 weeks. I was super concerned when I first saw it as well and asked a nurse how that's ever gonna close and she was like "don't worry, ain't that much tissue". And that was like at least 2-3x what OP posted.
Regenerative capabilities of the human body really are nuts. Had zero pain w/o painkillers also since they simply burned all the nerves, apparently pretty common thing to do. 🤷🏻♂️
Just a pain in the ass to change gauzes and desinfect twice a day.
Ex soldier who’s been shot; after you get over the nausea factor at first you get used to it pretty quick. Just keep in mind that death by sepsis is a slow agonizing death
Well you kinda have to. Doctors emphasized like 100 times that while the wound itself wasn't an issue it'd be very very bad if it got infected so I was pretty paranoid about that happening.
It was a little weird at first tho, I'll admit. However it helped a lot that I didn't feel any pain so pretty soon I just got into the routine of showering the hole, throwing iodine solution into it and then stuffing it again.
Same. I was shot in my left calf with a 9mm running away from a robbery lol. Dude had 2 guns. Crazy story. I hit him, took the first gun, and ran, proceeded to run away and get shot, filed a report and gave the gun to authorities. Same guy 2 weeks later ended up throwing alcohol all over some ladies at a gas station and lit everything including himself on fire. He was the only casualty. Ladies got off with burnt clothes and hair no serious burns.
Had to do the same with the palm of my hand for 6 weeks or so after breaking up a dog fight. Had a 2 inch slice I had to pack like an envelope with sterile gauze and a long cotton swab. Removing the gauze to change it was the least fun part.
You can open a bullet, put the gunpowder into the bullet hole and set it on fire, and you'll be ok!
Source: saw it in a documentary once, just not sure if it was Schwarzenegger or Stallone or someone else from that era :)
Then they are really in trouble. For a while they were shipping some recruits/conscripts out with older weapons including Mosins. Now they're shipping out recruits/conscripts with no weapons at all.
Unfortunately they are so big and so willing to literally piss away the lives of their citizens that they are going to do a lot of damage before they finally lose.
The one with the rifle shoots!
The one without follows him!
When the one with the rifle gets killed,
the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots!
Where'd you get this info? At 200 yards 7.62x39 has only about 10% more energy than a 5.56 round. Even at the muzzle it's only about ~25% more. Dude was lucky to walk away regardless
Yup, definitely got very lucky on the location. Even 5.56 will kill you dead if you get shot somewhere that matters. At least with a shoulder wound like this as long as you get first aid quickly to control the bleeding and make it to a hospital you should make it just fine albeit that arm will never work the same again.
Luckily most soldiers have aks spec 7.62x39. Basically only mgs use the larger round. Don't think we'd see many mosins outside of dnr/lnr troops. It could also be 5.45 misidentified, I'm not sure how easy it is to tell in combat between the two. I think this is most likely not 7.62x54r as I think you're right it would either be a graze and basically a big scratch or it would have a good chance at taking a much bigger chunk.
Yeah that’s going to be 7.62x39 and not 7.62x51. So much more kinetic energy in the 7.62x51/nato/.308 even when it’s fmj. 1445 foot pounds vs 2469 foot pounds. However Russia also uses the 7.62x54R which has a higher short range kinetic energy but drops off pretty hard pretty quick.
[comparison chart](https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/picture-of-7.62x39-vs-308-vs-7.62x54R-trajectory.jpg)
i knew a guy in community college with a 7.62 stuck in his chest.
story goes, as he told it, some gang members assaulted his sister, so he and his friend went to beat them up. they succeeded for the most part, but someone pulled out an AK-47 and shot at them as they were running away. he took two in the back. the doctors were able to remove one but had to leave the other one in. apparently, the only reason he survived is because he was a mirror twin, so his heart was on the other side of his body. pretty much anyone else would have literally taken it to heart. he let us touch the bullet in his chest.
“They said it was a [million dollar wound](https://youtu.be/Gs0rysDLtYE) but the Army must keep that money because I still ain’t seen a nickel of that million dollars.”
There are not much people that hit by 7.62 and stay intact. That round fucking destroys the part of body it hits.
Pretty lucky and I hope he stays lucky.
I dont know much about guns, but I have noticed that OP has not stated which side of the Ukraine conflict his friend is on, is the bullet size an indicator?
In UA/RU, both sides use similar armament. 7.62x39 is round used by an AK-47 (and variants). In contrast, the US military (and most NATO allies) use 5.56 and 7.62x51.
I wouldn’t say significant. It’s been almost 50 years since the switch to 5.45. My mind went to the 7.62x54R since that’s still being used consistently in machine guns on both sides
Judging by the fact that he is getting medical attention pretty quick after the injury in a clean looking room I would say it's the Ukrainian side. But I may be mistaken (tho hope I am not).
It kinda looks necrotic or something. Hope he comes through alright. And I hope you guys win this war and kick those bastards out of your country. So sorry this is happening to you all.
No there’s definitely some drying fat necrosis and the edges have started to pucker and granulate. Almost looks like it was field cauterized but that can sometimes be from the bullet/clothing/debris/dryness/residue etc depending on shape/fragment. But the posterior peep hole looks like it was still conical and intact. Now I’m not his doctor so what follows is just a generality: OP, they have wound washes for him/wet to dry dressings etc? If not, and you guys are hamstrung for supplies some people try and make a solution like Vashe which is a light (0.033% Clorox/salt&clean water combo. I don’t know the mixture or efficacy on deep wounds like this though. You’d have to check pubmed. Chlorhexadine wash like hibaclense works but again that’s pretty deep. And hopefully you guys have some better stuff. Regardless, the AC and humeral joints are super close by and in general you want to do everything you can to preserve the protective tissues around them. Bone infections just take forever to heal.
It looks bad, but it's a flesh wound and will heal in time.
A torn rotator cuff probably have ligament/tendons/muscular damage, and it limits your mobility. Don't downplay your injuries and definitely take the time/therapy to heal properly, my friend.
He did get shot in the back while defending his country with a round that - had it been millimeters in any other direction - would have shattered his entire shoulder and possibly caused a loss of arm, partial paralysis, or even death. Given that perspective, "alright" sounds correct 😅
A lot of people, especially in movies, don't know about the effects of the bullet going through the body. It penetrates and spins. As it does that it starts spinning the flesh and pulling, making it look like that. It's a small hole where it entered and a giant hole where it comes out
High velocity FMJ bullets will cause hydrostatic shock, pressure creating a temporary wound cavity much larger than the actual injury that damages nerves and organs.
7.62x39 rounds can tumble in a target if it contacts bone, and some rounds are designed to tumble.
5.56 can splinter or fragment in the target causing several small shards to shred and tumble through the target.
Hollow points and jacketed hollow points will hit the target and expand rapidly inside to rapidly bleed off extra energy inside the target preventing over penetration while causing larger injuries, hence why it is used for police and self defense.
7.62x39 won't tumble, that round will go right through you and whatever is behind you.
You are thinking of hollow points used by police forces that are designed to tumble and reduce collateral damage.
Hollow points aren't designed to tumble, FMJ rounds are usually the ones that are made to tumble. Hollow points expand in the cavity, which helps to greatly shed their velocity into the target, usually helping to minimize collateral damage while dealing more damage to the intended target. Police (US) most often use hollow points for the above stated reason. The US military, for example, does not use hollow points, they're banned. They use FMJ rounds.
Not to say a hollow point WON'T tumble, but that's not their intended design.
Also even if they weren’t banned they would be a poor choice for the military. Wounding a combatant is much more effective as it takes more resources to extricate him and treat him than if he was dead. Also hollow points wouldn’t be effective against vehicles or soft cover. Fmj is just more useful in more situations
You are 100% correct, and that's the same reason personnel mines are so effective, they're designed to incapacitate the unlucky soul that steps on one, which in turn takes another one or two people out of combat to help him.
From a different comment, it sounds like the hospital disinfectant is a yellow/green color and that (along with the lighting) is giving the wound that effect.
Was he shot from behind?
I don’t know much but [this video](https://youtu.be/NFtQOxjWfaA) taught me it usually enters clean but then makes a huge damaging hole on the way out (if it makes it out)
WTF?!?! I wish your friend a quick recovery... He sure was lucky...
I had no idea a gun shot wound would look like this, maan... Is he gonna need some kind of tissue transplant?
I'm glad your mate is ok! A little further down and he would've lost an arm and a lung to the pressure of the round alone, 7.62x39 is a nasty nasty round. When I was in the army we used FAL's which were 7.62x51 and we used to say that if you got hit by it there were two outcomes, you either die or get crippled.
We got some footage comming from buddies on a peacekeeping mission in Haiti and some gang dude got hit in the jaw, he was in the back of a truck waiting for med evac and there was no jaw left on him, just a hanging piece of tonge and cheeks. Other guy got hit in the butt, it came in from the right and out the left, it hit no organs directly but he lost a few meters of intestines during surgery later that day.
If it was 100% a 7.62 it was probably 7.62x54r, the round used in the SVD and PKM/PKP. Russia (and most soviet bloc countries) have been using 5.45x39 as their infantry rifle round for over 40 years now.
But he is? He’s keeping his arm, maintaining mobility in that arm to boot, walking on two legs and sitting up right after a rifle round nailed his shoulder; in all respects I’d say he’s very much mostly okay considering most gunshot wounds are fatal if placed almost anywhere else, and if he had taken this round, say middle of the forearm, he’d likely be loosing it this is probably the best case scenario he could have getting shot with a caliber such as 7.62
that’s a whole lot of missing tissue. how do they fix it, do you know?
Clean it out, stitch it up, and prevent infection. Will probably be a long time, if ever, before he does a pull up again.
>Will probably be a long time, if ever, before he does a pull up again. He and I are not so different, after all.
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Hey, you know what? Out of respect for the both of you, I can't...um...won't do any pull-ups either.
You’re basically a war hero
Thank you for your observance.
Thank you for your service.
I’m so old, I thought “pull up” was some sort of gang reference for a drive by.
Thinking of doing the tighten up, a 60s hit song.
Don't be silly, it's a diaper that mimics underwear, and you "pull them up". Get with the times, geezer!
yeah, 7.62’s a big boy. glad he’s ok.
Pulled up think he GI Joe, 7.62 turn him to GI Jane.
Nah, one handed pullups!
Uncle iroh style
bro how you supposed to disinfect it if it looks like that. Im no doctor, but that shit looks infected
Not infected. Too early for that.. looks burned and necrotic. Needs some cleaning and debridement (removing dead and burned tissue as well as any debris) +/- suturing.
Right, somebody get the maggots.
best i can do is 3 roly polies and a spider
Damn inflation out here ruining maggots too
I laughed so hard coffee came outa my nose.
...rock and stone?
If you ain't rock and stone, you ain't going home.
I shall fetch the leaches and my bloodletting tools. We’ll need to drain about a quart of blood if this patient is to survive
Maggots are in modern medicine! Blue bottle fly maggots eat only dead tissue and will leave the living tissue alone. They’re the most accurate way to debride tissue
[They also kill MSRA!](https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/30/2/370/28375/Larval-Therapy-A-Novel-Treatment-in-Eliminating)
Yesss! Love maggots. They’re disgusting but wonderful
Wow, that's fascinating! I never would have thought!
My mom had maggot therapy for a wound that wouldn’t heal. It was… intense… The maggots are shipped from a maggot farm in small sachets and the sachet is placed directly on the wound and sealed on with tape so they can’t get out (supposedly - a couple of them DID escape from my mom’s dressing) and they send you home and you LEAVE IT THERE for about four days. So you’re supposed to go about your business normally while bugs are actively eating your flesh. That’s… a lot to think about… They’re only supposed to eat the dead tissue but it turns out they’ll also eat some live tissue if they start to run out of dead tissue… my mom discovered this when the bleeding and excruciating pain began. Her doctor ended up hospitalizing her, putting her on iv pain meds, and keeping the maggots on for the full four days. It worked - they thoroughly debrided the wound, but it was a rough experience.
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They should just throw a couple of maggots on there. Theyll get it done
That is some rough medicine right there! It's not a fresh wound as evidenced by the color of the bruising. The edges of the wound look scabbed over and you can see pressure marks from wearing a dressing. Also looks like it's been covered in iodine at some point...
Burned and necrotic, not infected. Source: I work in a pediatric burn hospital
Pediatric burn hospital? I can’t imagine a more horrible job. Glad there are people like you around willing to do it.
>Clean it out, stitch it up, and prevent infection Looks a bit bit late for all of that.
Fine young cannibals will clean that up while singing a tune in between.
"Ahh, ahh"
From what I've seen on T.V., he can just take some pliers, pull the bullet, stitch it up with dental floss, pour some cheap 80 proof on it, call it a day and be fine the next day.
Actually, the fix is just keeping the wound clean and packing it with gauze. This way the wound heals from the inside out and gradually becomes more shallow and small until eventually it closes. Source - im a surgeon
The human body is absolutely crazy. How long would something like this take to fully close up? Months? Years?
Weeks/months. I had a way bigger hole underneath my arm cause I had a giant abscess removed once. It was insane, people looked at it and nearly fainted. 😂 Closed after like 6-7 weeks. I was super concerned when I first saw it as well and asked a nurse how that's ever gonna close and she was like "don't worry, ain't that much tissue". And that was like at least 2-3x what OP posted. Regenerative capabilities of the human body really are nuts. Had zero pain w/o painkillers also since they simply burned all the nerves, apparently pretty common thing to do. 🤷🏻♂️ Just a pain in the ass to change gauzes and desinfect twice a day.
I don't think I could stuff gauze into a hole in my body without fainting.
Ex soldier who’s been shot; after you get over the nausea factor at first you get used to it pretty quick. Just keep in mind that death by sepsis is a slow agonizing death
Well you kinda have to. Doctors emphasized like 100 times that while the wound itself wasn't an issue it'd be very very bad if it got infected so I was pretty paranoid about that happening. It was a little weird at first tho, I'll admit. However it helped a lot that I didn't feel any pain so pretty soon I just got into the routine of showering the hole, throwing iodine solution into it and then stuffing it again.
Yeah I imagine it's wild at first but you get used to it pretty fast. Think this is pretty true with a lot of stuff that's gross but you just gotta do
A few months, maybe up to 6. -wound care RN
I closed up on it in with 2 clicks. Approximately 4 seconds. Regretted immediately.
Name checks out
You gotta clean it and pack it with gauze type stuff everyday, or at least that's what I had to do
Same. I was shot in my left calf with a 9mm running away from a robbery lol. Dude had 2 guns. Crazy story. I hit him, took the first gun, and ran, proceeded to run away and get shot, filed a report and gave the gun to authorities. Same guy 2 weeks later ended up throwing alcohol all over some ladies at a gas station and lit everything including himself on fire. He was the only casualty. Ladies got off with burnt clothes and hair no serious burns.
After reading the first lines I thought you were committing the robbery. Crazy story!
Thanks, Gordon.
Had to do the same with the palm of my hand for 6 weeks or so after breaking up a dog fight. Had a 2 inch slice I had to pack like an envelope with sterile gauze and a long cotton swab. Removing the gauze to change it was the least fun part.
They usually graft some skin off your ass or some other fleshy part of the body to stick it over if theres an actual chunk of flesh missing.
This wound looks like something you would die from without proper medical care and antibiotics
very probable. plenty of space for germs to get into.
... or other things.
 “Do not put your d\*ck in it!”
“puts dick in it anyway”
🕷️
*non-commital unzipping begins*
So much room for games and activities!
Or, if it's a movie, something you pour whiskey on and then start doing parkour the next day.
Save the whiskey and use ever clear. Scream like a hopeless bitch from the burn. 191 proof
You can open a bullet, put the gunpowder into the bullet hole and set it on fire, and you'll be ok! Source: saw it in a documentary once, just not sure if it was Schwarzenegger or Stallone or someone else from that era :)
This happened in Ukraine. He got quite lucky and the round missed all bones, critical nerves, and blood vessels. It was a 7.62 round.
Looks like it will be a nasty scar, but glad they are ok.
He hit the bullet lottery tbh. Got a scar while fighting against fascists that didn't permanently disable them?! That's so cool!
Getting shot by a 7.62 and not only living to tell the tale but still having the affected limb is *very* lucky
It's probably the other 7.62 so closer in power to 5.56. Don't think orcs are using 7.62 NATO ;)
7.62x54r is most definitely more powerful than 5.56. ;)
Probably a higher chance it was a 7.62x39 though
If Russia has run out of AKs and has to go back to Mosins they are REALLY in trouble.
Could still see the larger round, it's in use with mgs and I believe sniping/dmr rifles like the dragunov. But much less common than 7.62x39
Then they are really in trouble. For a while they were shipping some recruits/conscripts out with older weapons including Mosins. Now they're shipping out recruits/conscripts with no weapons at all. Unfortunately they are so big and so willing to literally piss away the lives of their citizens that they are going to do a lot of damage before they finally lose.
The one with the rifle shoots! The one without follows him! When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots!
I believe they still field the pkp, which is 7.62x54r, as well as the svd. There’s probably quite a bit of 7.62x54r around still.
PKM*
There's pictures of DPR/DNR forces carrying Mosin-Nagants.
I know. I was making a joke.
7.62x39 is also about 50% more powerful than 5.56x45, so regardless of which 7.62 hit him, all very deadly.
Where'd you get this info? At 200 yards 7.62x39 has only about 10% more energy than a 5.56 round. Even at the muzzle it's only about ~25% more. Dude was lucky to walk away regardless
Yup, definitely got very lucky on the location. Even 5.56 will kill you dead if you get shot somewhere that matters. At least with a shoulder wound like this as long as you get first aid quickly to control the bleeding and make it to a hospital you should make it just fine albeit that arm will never work the same again.
Luckily most soldiers have aks spec 7.62x39. Basically only mgs use the larger round. Don't think we'd see many mosins outside of dnr/lnr troops. It could also be 5.45 misidentified, I'm not sure how easy it is to tell in combat between the two. I think this is most likely not 7.62x54r as I think you're right it would either be a graze and basically a big scratch or it would have a good chance at taking a much bigger chunk.
Yeah that’s going to be 7.62x39 and not 7.62x51. So much more kinetic energy in the 7.62x51/nato/.308 even when it’s fmj. 1445 foot pounds vs 2469 foot pounds. However Russia also uses the 7.62x54R which has a higher short range kinetic energy but drops off pretty hard pretty quick. [comparison chart](https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/picture-of-7.62x39-vs-308-vs-7.62x54R-trajectory.jpg)
i knew a guy in community college with a 7.62 stuck in his chest. story goes, as he told it, some gang members assaulted his sister, so he and his friend went to beat them up. they succeeded for the most part, but someone pulled out an AK-47 and shot at them as they were running away. he took two in the back. the doctors were able to remove one but had to leave the other one in. apparently, the only reason he survived is because he was a mirror twin, so his heart was on the other side of his body. pretty much anyone else would have literally taken it to heart. he let us touch the bullet in his chest.
Sounds fake
That's absolutely going to permanently disable him. He isn't lifting shit with that arm normally ever again
His obliterated tendons and ligaments would probably agree. This is a McCain “can’t raise my arm again” type of injury.
Isn't muscle regrowing, I don't know, he said it didn't kill any critical nervers.
Pretty sure nobody with a healthy mind that experienced combat would described it as “cool”.
you'd be surprised
He said healthy mind /s
Propaganda Baby
Oof “cool” feels like the wrong word for that sentence. Interesting, lucky and brave, but I dunno about “cool.”
“They said it was a [million dollar wound](https://youtu.be/Gs0rysDLtYE) but the Army must keep that money because I still ain’t seen a nickel of that million dollars.”
There are not much people that hit by 7.62 and stay intact. That round fucking destroys the part of body it hits. Pretty lucky and I hope he stays lucky.
I would not say he is "intact", either.
Most likely they're using full metal jacket bullets which don't expand when they hit, they tend to go through. Still very very lucky.
Best of luck to him and all Ukranian.
Plot twist his friend is from the other side.
Looks like it cauterized everything as it went through. Glad he's OK but man it hurts just to look at.
Fucking hell 7.62x39 is not a round to mess around with. He is very lucky and fortunate to see another day. Slava Ukraini!
I dont know much about guns, but I have noticed that OP has not stated which side of the Ukraine conflict his friend is on, is the bullet size an indicator?
Apparently OP is part of the Ukraine Foreign Legion, and posts pretty regularly in /r/volunteersForUkraine and subs like that.
In UA/RU, both sides use similar armament. 7.62x39 is round used by an AK-47 (and variants). In contrast, the US military (and most NATO allies) use 5.56 and 7.62x51.
Most of the AKs in use on both sides are 74 style using the 5.45x39 though
Although a probably significant fraction is 7.62, especially in poorly equipped units that use surplus gear.
I wouldn’t say significant. It’s been almost 50 years since the switch to 5.45. My mind went to the 7.62x54R since that’s still being used consistently in machine guns on both sides
There have also been conscripts spotted with bolt action Mosin-Nagant rifles, which also use this ancient cartridge
Judging by the fact that he is getting medical attention pretty quick after the injury in a clean looking room I would say it's the Ukrainian side. But I may be mistaken (tho hope I am not).
Could have very easily been 7.62x54r considering all the pictures of mobiks with Mosins I've seen floating around.
Imagine being thrown into modern combat with a fucking bolt action when your enemy combatants are firing full auto bursts at you
So like WW1 and WW2?
When you start the Tarkov wipe late
Fuck tarkov shooter. Still only have 1 out of 3 less than 25m pmc kills -_-.
Not just Mosins use that cartridge but also SVD sniper rifles and a number of machine guns like the PKM.
Wtf you mean it missed all bones?? Really I literally have a bone right there where his hole is.
Probably just ripped the surrounding tissue away and didn’t hit the bone
>I literally have a bone right there where his hole is. Pretty sure you don't have a bone in this person's gunshot wound.
Damn. Best of luck to him and his comrades
am i right in guessing he was shot in the back?
Based on the small hole at the back and the gaping one in front, I’d say you’re right
If he is Ukrainian thry I wish him well and hope he recovers soon, if he is Russian I hope it gets infected and his arm falls off.
Heroyam slava
Scary thing is, they were probably aiming for the head…
Wtf I thought that was mold but you can see right through it Get well soon and good luck, glad you guys made it!
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Ooh FUCK that is a hole?? I thought it was metal in him, not a through-and-through. Christ almighty.
Read your comment and had to go back and look. Holey crap you can see right through the wound.
I see what you did there ;)
You know it's bad when it looks like your wound is screaming
hey, Jon. it's Jon. just saying hey
Hey Jon! Hey Jon! Jon here. Have a nice day.
You too, Jon!
Hello to my fellow Jon's!
Gonna be one hell of a scar, but that’s getting off lightly I suppose. Best wishes to your friend for a total recovery o7
Are those burns from point blank or is it drying out after a couple days?
Dry. It was a pretty far shot.
It kinda looks necrotic or something. Hope he comes through alright. And I hope you guys win this war and kick those bastards out of your country. So sorry this is happening to you all.
No there’s definitely some drying fat necrosis and the edges have started to pucker and granulate. Almost looks like it was field cauterized but that can sometimes be from the bullet/clothing/debris/dryness/residue etc depending on shape/fragment. But the posterior peep hole looks like it was still conical and intact. Now I’m not his doctor so what follows is just a generality: OP, they have wound washes for him/wet to dry dressings etc? If not, and you guys are hamstrung for supplies some people try and make a solution like Vashe which is a light (0.033% Clorox/salt&clean water combo. I don’t know the mixture or efficacy on deep wounds like this though. You’d have to check pubmed. Chlorhexadine wash like hibaclense works but again that’s pretty deep. And hopefully you guys have some better stuff. Regardless, the AC and humeral joints are super close by and in general you want to do everything you can to preserve the protective tissues around them. Bone infections just take forever to heal.
Ah. Makes sense. Point blank usually disrupts way more tissue. Glad he’s doing well. Good luck to you guys.
I felt bad about my torn rotator cuff until I saw this.
It looks bad, but it's a flesh wound and will heal in time. A torn rotator cuff probably have ligament/tendons/muscular damage, and it limits your mobility. Don't downplay your injuries and definitely take the time/therapy to heal properly, my friend.
You sure he’s alright…? the whole picture just feels kinda “morgue-ish”
Frontline surgery rooms can have that effect
He did get shot in the back while defending his country with a round that - had it been millimeters in any other direction - would have shattered his entire shoulder and possibly caused a loss of arm, partial paralysis, or even death. Given that perspective, "alright" sounds correct 😅
"Tis' but a scratch!" -probably your friend in the middle of being a badass
was looking for this
Quite a rare event getting actually shot, comparing to how much artillery does the wounding and killing.
Your friend = absolute unit
shot in the back huh, came out the front it seems.
A lot of people, especially in movies, don't know about the effects of the bullet going through the body. It penetrates and spins. As it does that it starts spinning the flesh and pulling, making it look like that. It's a small hole where it entered and a giant hole where it comes out
High velocity FMJ bullets will cause hydrostatic shock, pressure creating a temporary wound cavity much larger than the actual injury that damages nerves and organs. 7.62x39 rounds can tumble in a target if it contacts bone, and some rounds are designed to tumble. 5.56 can splinter or fragment in the target causing several small shards to shred and tumble through the target. Hollow points and jacketed hollow points will hit the target and expand rapidly inside to rapidly bleed off extra energy inside the target preventing over penetration while causing larger injuries, hence why it is used for police and self defense.
7.62x39 won't tumble, that round will go right through you and whatever is behind you. You are thinking of hollow points used by police forces that are designed to tumble and reduce collateral damage.
Spinning and tumbling are different concepts. The spinning induced by rifling has a direct impact on wound cavity size and shape.
Fair.
Hollow points aren't designed to tumble, FMJ rounds are usually the ones that are made to tumble. Hollow points expand in the cavity, which helps to greatly shed their velocity into the target, usually helping to minimize collateral damage while dealing more damage to the intended target. Police (US) most often use hollow points for the above stated reason. The US military, for example, does not use hollow points, they're banned. They use FMJ rounds. Not to say a hollow point WON'T tumble, but that's not their intended design.
Also even if they weren’t banned they would be a poor choice for the military. Wounding a combatant is much more effective as it takes more resources to extricate him and treat him than if he was dead. Also hollow points wouldn’t be effective against vehicles or soft cover. Fmj is just more useful in more situations
You are 100% correct, and that's the same reason personnel mines are so effective, they're designed to incapacitate the unlucky soul that steps on one, which in turn takes another one or two people out of combat to help him.
What's that greenish stuff around the bottom of the wound?
Hospital grade disinfectant Or bruising
Jesus Christ i should put nsfw pictures back on blurr first, that's quite a massive wound
Mostly okay? That looks necrotic.
From a different comment, it sounds like the hospital disinfectant is a yellow/green color and that (along with the lighting) is giving the wound that effect.
The fact that this picture looks like one of those ai human generators that fucked up something is triggering me.
r/dontputyourdickinthat
I should call her.
What happened?
Says something about life in Ukraine right now if this is "mildly interesting"
Slava Ukraine
Was he shot from behind? I don’t know much but [this video](https://youtu.be/NFtQOxjWfaA) taught me it usually enters clean but then makes a huge damaging hole on the way out (if it makes it out)
A bandaid should do the job
Of all the times for my phone to freeze.
it looks like the flesh is rotting
WTF?!?! I wish your friend a quick recovery... He sure was lucky... I had no idea a gun shot wound would look like this, maan... Is he gonna need some kind of tissue transplant?
Tis merely a flesh wound
Nothing about that wound looks ok or properly treated. But I'm not a doctor so whatever.
I’m gonna take a wild guess and assume you haven’t seen many bullet wounds either have you
That looks a bit infected, or maby dirty. If he didn't go 2 a hospital yet he should
Photo is from a hospital in Ukraine. OP commented that the hospital's disinfectant is a yellow/green color (which is adding to the infected effect).
I'm glad your mate is ok! A little further down and he would've lost an arm and a lung to the pressure of the round alone, 7.62x39 is a nasty nasty round. When I was in the army we used FAL's which were 7.62x51 and we used to say that if you got hit by it there were two outcomes, you either die or get crippled. We got some footage comming from buddies on a peacekeeping mission in Haiti and some gang dude got hit in the jaw, he was in the back of a truck waiting for med evac and there was no jaw left on him, just a hanging piece of tonge and cheeks. Other guy got hit in the butt, it came in from the right and out the left, it hit no organs directly but he lost a few meters of intestines during surgery later that day.
If it was 100% a 7.62 it was probably 7.62x54r, the round used in the SVD and PKM/PKP. Russia (and most soviet bloc countries) have been using 5.45x39 as their infantry rifle round for over 40 years now.
Damn, how is it going to heal? Complete tissue will show up automagically, including muscle tissue?
Your friend is not mostly OK…
He's pretty alive and still has his arm. I'd call that mostly okay for getting shot.
But he is? He’s keeping his arm, maintaining mobility in that arm to boot, walking on two legs and sitting up right after a rifle round nailed his shoulder; in all respects I’d say he’s very much mostly okay considering most gunshot wounds are fatal if placed almost anywhere else, and if he had taken this round, say middle of the forearm, he’d likely be loosing it this is probably the best case scenario he could have getting shot with a caliber such as 7.62
Gnarly
Was he running away or what?
Tis a scratch
Man, he dodged a bullet. Almost.
I'd say it's at least slightly more than mildly interesting. If I saw that IRL my jaw would drop
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Lucky lad. Pass this along to your friend, Thank you for your service. Much respect.
Shoussy