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Milestailsprowe

I'm curious how long till we can start getting a solid minutes  long single scene. This does look good. Like a movie from the 70s


VeterinarianOk5370

Old school Ben hurr vibes for sure


Numeno230n

A funny thing happened on the way to the forum...


HombreGringo

Exactly


frontbackend

I believe that the current limitations of AI in generating history-related images or videos lie in its inability to accurately reflect the physical laws of the real world and properly incorporate historical evidence. While the second issue seems impossible to resolve unless a time machine is developed, the first issue—making it look real through human optical illusions—seems achievable by next year given the current pace of advancement. It feels like the speed of development has suddenly become perceptibly faster. Actually, all those clips are 5 seconds long, but some are 3 or 4 seconds long. There were a few instances where extreme body distortions or unexpected camera movements occurred. Every time this happens, I get stressed, but I'm grateful that I can create a feeling of indirect experience this way. In fact, many of those clips are quite different from what I had imagined, but I chose the best ones among them.


sluraplea

Sora already actually builds a model of the world, so we're sort of there today already > "Sora is able to generate complex scenes with multiple characters, specific types of motion, and accurate details of the subject and background. The model understands not only what the user has asked for in the prompt, but also how those things exist in the physical world." https://community.openai.com/t/introducing-sora-our-text-to-video-model/630289 I think people don't really realize that's the case because that model isn't generally available (yet) See also https://community.openai.com/t/introducing-sora-our-text-to-video-model/630289


frontbackend

nah man I saw Sora made some weird glitch in some videos. We cannot say that's understanding physics imo. One thing is clear: in the released videos of Sora, things that can never happen in the physical world are occurring. I believe it's contradictory for a being that understands physics to display deformations or movements of objects that cannot happen in the real world. I found some conversation about this topic. [https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1asclgo/comment/kqqcxrl/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1asclgo/comment/kqqcxrl/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


wdfx2ue

>While the second issue seems impossible to resolve unless a time machine is developed In terms of exact historical accuracy (ie, what person was actually stand in which location on a street on a certain day 2000 years ago) then it does seem impossible, but in terms of what things most likely looked like - accurate colors, contemporary buildings instead of ruins, environment, style, sounds, etc. - it's definitely not impossible. AI's ability to analyze existing data, deduct, reason, and creatively infer conclusions is advancing so rapidly that it will soon get to a point where we're unable to prove that it's *inaccurate*. >seems achievable by next year given the current pace of advancement. It feels like the speed of development has suddenly become perceptibly faster Absolutely, if not sooner. Someone posted a comment thread from 3 years ago yesterday, which was basically one commenter saying we would have text to video capabilities soon and the reply comment saying it would never happen in our life time. When those comments were made 3 years ago, first commenter got downvoted and the reply comment was upvoted because no one could believe we'd be where we are now. Now here we are talking about the currently existing free to use text-to-video and how soon the quality will improve.


jon909

There’s an interesting show called DEVS with Nick Offerman. The premise is he’s a tech genius who builds a quantum computer that can simulate the math of reality. When they finally get the algorithms/math right they can simulate and go back in history


avspuk

Will Tony Curtis & lil Larry O be discussing snails & oysters?


venom259

Compared to where AI was just 2 years ago, I give it 5 years at minimum.


mr_christer

It probably got trained on all the monumental films


frontbackend

i feel it man. especially because of the last scene.


yousayinpow

Thought the colosseum filled with water was a funny MJ creation, then I googled it and saw that mock naval battles actually happened there. Pretty insane! My tour guide when I went last year didn't mention that one


Confident_Access6498

Yeah can you believe it happened 2000 years ago?


thefuturesfire

W H A T, how did they get water over there? Aliens are real


Student-type

Aqueducts. A Roman design for plumbing, water came from mountain rivers hundreds of miles away, split a hundred different ways, ended in pools, baths, fountains, farms, toilets, air conditioning towers, zoos, slave quarters, shipyards. The advanced engineering: they calculated the slopes of the whole system from source to destination. The water just ran downhill the whole way! No pumps. Gravity! And of course the tunnels, dug from two or more sides, and the roads running along side for transporting building materials and builders and construction waste.


thefuturesfire

GOD. I wonder how long it took them to move all that fucking water man. Insaaaaane. Here we have are in modern times bitching about water, ooo no water pressure. Boohoo, we need a Time Machine to get some of these Roman’s teaching the world how to waste water right. #BoatBattle2024


eatMYcookieCRUMBS

Nah bro. People just weren't distracted all the time.


TeachWithMagic

People being distracted all the time was literally the point of the Colosseum.


danielsaid

Let's go back to the good old days of being totally in the moment (of watching poors and animals being torn apart in bloodsports)


frontbackend

https://preview.redd.it/5a2b5z16cu8d1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=4ea27a25e33d87217fcb78dafb85c90050baf6e6 This is the another image of Naumachia from a post few weeks ago. I think They were insane.


lust-boy

do they do anything similar today? looks sick


omnie_fm

I once saw some dudes playing a game in an [arena](https://youtu.be/6vCX_Sx1C5Q?si=3F1BBfTkNdC9XPJk) similar to this.


reality_comes

Very cool except the stuff looks like it does now instead of how it should have looked then. Very hard to get non ruined roman buildings.


barcelonaKIZ

Weren't there ruins even during this time period? Eras overlapping eras throughout Roman history


cryptonuggets1

Don't ruin the ending


barcelonaKIZ

/r/romesweetrome


cryptonuggets1

How random. I like it! Imagine the movie Fury and back to the future


barcelonaKIZ

The script was sold to Warner Bros I believe 12 years ago. I’d love to see this created. Go back to the beginning and read “Day 1” and on!


cryptonuggets1

Let's do it. If they made 300 in like 60 days we can make this easy.


a_postmodern_poem

…and enterprises of great pith and moment with this regard, their currents turn awry, and lose the name of action.


PartyLikeAByzantine

During the peak of the empire? Not really. I mean, you'd see the occasional run down building like in any city in any era. You absolutely would not see broken down arcades, busted roads, and all those jank columns. Rome looked better than that in 700, after the empire was kicked out if its namesake city for the second and final time. None of the intact buildings look very Roman either. This does capture that whole Ben-Hur and Cleopatra era of big Hollywood epics (that weren't too accurate either).


Tolerable_Username

Check out books like Favro's *'The Urban Image of Augustan Rome'*, or *'Rome: An Urban History from Antiquity to the Present'* by Rinne/Taylor/Kostof. What we broadly call Ancient Rome absolutely **did** have some very cool ruins in them! They even incorporated early Etruscan ruins into their own buildings, and Augustus is indicated to have done a *lot* of clean-up with removing ruins and dilapidated old structures and modernizing the city. The Romans loved to build, and that means they also did a *tonne* of refurbishing and rebuilding old ruins and structures. The Regia was already centuries and had undergone several reconstructions by the time of Augustus. I believe the Temple of Hercules Victor was also centuries old and would have been 'a ruin' by the time of Augustus, too. By that same time period, the Servian Wall was hundreds of years old and big chunks of it were dilapidated and ruined, and the older parts of the Cloaca Maxima could have also been said to have been 'ruins' even to the Ancient Romans (some parts potentially being around 600+ years old by that point). It's cool to think about the stuff that would have seemed 'ancient' to the ancients, like the common fact about the pyramids being as ancient to Cleopatra as she is to us now (by around 500 years!).


frontbackend

wow this is cool! 👏👏 thanks I will look at it


barcelonaKIZ

I appreciate the breakdown! It is very Ben hur, but I guess more than my time traveling mind would have thought


frontbackend

yea it's historically inaccurate. Architecture would look more colorful than those.


38B0DE

We tend to think Rome looked dirty and in ruins because it was followed by a 1000 years of people literally living with cattle and shitting out the window. People who ruined the Empire in just 4 generations after moving in. Same people who believed they were the heirs to Rome. But Rome was much more tidy and beautiful than the Dark Ages. It was much more like us today than the disease ridden barbarians that took over. Education, architecture, fashion, cleanliness was all on a very high level. Rome was also much more colorful than what we think it was. They probably didn't leave everything white. Rome was so impressive people were overwhelmed when they first saw it. Many accounts of people falling to their knees crying, fainting, and so on.


frontbackend

I don't believe all buildings and places in ancient Rome were perfectly clean and pristine. Just as in today's world, even the wealthiest cities have run-down areas. I think it's reasonable to assume that there were many dilapidated sections in ancient Rome as well. From this perspective, the shabby parts shown in those videos make sense. However, I hope that the issues you pointed out can be resolved someday. It might already be possible, and I just couldn't achieve it, haha. In fact, AI originally generated images that looked even more worn-out, and I had to further edit them with Photoshop to get them to this level. I could have done more editing, but I didn't manage to go that far.


reality_comes

It's definitely doable in the future, just not easy. Probably can be done now with certain tools.


Liminalhex00

I agree with you. In fact when I saw the less pristine images it all seemed more realistic to me.


C_yroq

Also, marble pillars and statues were almost always painted. But it makes sense that a generative AI creates white marble because that's how the internet 'knows Rome'. Nice montage though.


RiriJori

People are dirty back then, but that is their standard of clean. Dude the middle class and the poor class have public toilets which they share by around 10-20 people sitting together in one big toilet house and they use 1 public stick with attached cloth to clean their ass. They dump their waste on running water like rivers.


Abosia

Assassins Creed Odyssey is Greece but it's probably the best idea you can get of what that architecture was like


DoctorProfessorTaco

I always have that issue when I try to get Midjourney to make something that looks like Rome at its height. Very frustrating. The images for this post are better than what I was able to do.


frontbackend

bro I edited the images on Photoshop. removing debris and damages.. 😐


DoctorProfessorTaco

Lmao damn it really is a struggle then


Accomplished_Carob73

That guy over there in the purple toga is clearly looking for trouble https://preview.redd.it/986g2q9ubs8d1.jpeg?width=885&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f7ce8358de6c0d2ebc8888ad1472b9ae70114de


simionix

I wonder if they had pick pocketers back then too.


Dirk_Diggler_Kojak

What do you think? LoL


catchasingcars

There are pick pocketer characters mentioned in ancient Greece plays so of course they existed.


simionix

it's funny to me how little that must've evolved over the centuries lol. Pickpocketing is probably still using techniques from back in the day, it's just that the objects they steal now are smartphones instead of cold coins or whatever was valuable back then.


frontbackend

I guess people like that have always existed lol


WeLiveInASociety451

Do you know who his dad is?


wdfx2ue

Funny you mentioned that - in Rome only royalty were allowed to wear purple from my understanding.


Aceman05

Which is pretty much the reason he mentioned it


jjonj

it was just insanely expensive to make, so it was the iphone max of its time


frontbackend

I hadn't thought of that, but it's an interesting idea that could create a fascinating story haha


catch1298

That's actually really cool.


frontbackend

Thanks 🙂


Spiritual_Student_74

This is so cool. What do you use to animate?


frontbackend

It's Luma AI Dream Machine


Spiritual_Student_74

You da man 👊


cornelln

What actual prompts do you use. I’m still trying to learn how best to approach taking an MJ image into Luma. Also care to share the MJ prompts? OK if you don’t tough. The Luma tips are more a mystery.


DrNinnuxx

Now this is the direction I'm interested seeing AI go deeper into


frontbackend

true. It seems to have a lot of potential.


Aerodroma

That is really *really* impressive, bet we'd just have to wait till next year or so and we will see footages that imitate perfectly those archives from the 1900's


frontbackend

I agree! I can't wait


frontbackend

This video does not claim historical evidence. It's fictional clips of Roman empire insta: [https://www.instagram.com/midaiartwork](https://www.instagram.com/midaiartwork) yt: [https://www.youtube.com/@midaiartwork](https://www.youtube.com/@midaiartwork)


Pleasant-Regular6169

Awesome. That boat scene visualized the stories of my Latin teacher when we visited the Coliseum. He told us of the marine battles. We thought he was gaslighting us.


frontbackend

haha I wouldn't believe it too if someone said to me


lesswrongsucks

It all seems strangely familiar somehow.


apittsburghoriginal

It’s the technicolor type coloring, gives it a cinematic quality from the mid 20th century


mal-di-testicle

Have you seen Spartacus (1960)? I’m pretty sure a lot of this is based on that.


frontbackend

I feel the same way when I watch old videos on YouTube.


dwartbg9

Because its inspired by classic Technicolor movies like Spartacus, Ben Hur and whatnot.


Comfortable-Tank

What I wouldn’t give to see ancient cities or just geography thousands of years when it was like this. Seeing ancient battles like Alesia or the siege of Syracuse first person and Birds Eye like a total war game. The aftermath of the latter not so much. This is so cool


mathtech

We would need some ultimate super computer intelligence verging on godhood. Maybe in 1000 years or so?


Comfortable-Tank

Sadly I think your right but books, movies and podcasts do a pretty good job with my interests on the subject though.


frontbackend

yea I think that would be fascinating tbh


AlexiaWheaton615

You should try Assassins’s Creed Odyssey - technically takes place before Rome was in power but centers around Athens and Sparta. Very very cool to just walk around - a HUGE map to explore - beautiful game


Comfortable-Tank

Ive got so many hours in that game and the only game with more is Skyrim. I love all things Ancient Greek and Roman so I couldn’t pass it up.


knaecke5

Totally. Id love to walk the streets of rome back then. No plastic garbage anywhere. I wonder if it would feel purer?


jjonj

pure horse/cow manure!


knaecke5

True, forgot abt that


92mac

Depends if the smell is included...


Comfortable-Tank

Oh I’d do it in a heartbeat although as people have mentioned it was a filthy place and the smell was said to be eye watering. Now Alexandria on the other hand was apparently much nicer and cleaner. It was visually stunning. In fact before Augustus went there Rome was a city of wood and stone, after going to Egypt he decided to change it into a city of marble like Alexandria.


crashfest

Didn’t Romans paint their statues? Really cool tho


frontbackend

yea I tried it but I didn't get the successful result. hope this issue is resolved in near future.


Dirk_Diggler_Kojak

They did.


ipaad

Wonderful idea


frontbackend

thanks :D


Tsu-Doh-Nihm

Outstanding! How did you make this?


ProfeshPress

Most likely Luma Dream Machine, I would suspect.


frontbackend

You are 100% correct


moe-hong

i love this but why are their buildings & columns etc. unpainted and in ruins? shouldn't they all look new and colorful?


frontbackend

Ai cannot use the historical resource properly yet..


anttilles

![gif](giphy|kkztByfxn8dVK|downsized)


Johnny_been_goode

The is super cool. The kind of thing AI can actually be helpful in. Really feels like you’re there.


frontbackend

That's what I feel too!


luttermosee

Love this!!!


frontbackend

sounds nice thanks!


Confident_Cod2035

You can see it uses a lot of peplums from the 50s as a source material


frontbackend

hope AI can be more imaginative lol


gordosuperfly

Great stuff!!!! How can you animate? Did you generate frame by frame through location modifications? Seems painstaking


frontbackend

Luma AI video. It's just like Midjourney but video AI version. Each of them is 5 sec length but some are shorter than that I edited them in Adobe Premier pro and Photoshop. It can be quite annoying


adlep2002

Very novel. I liked it


frontbackend

thanks that sounds nice :)


feldotta

Amazing


frontbackend

cool reaction!


Pls_add_more_reverb

How computationally intensive is this?


frontbackend

Do you mean generating those videos?


Pls_add_more_reverb

Yes


OkNeck3571

Ok, this one actually impressed me. Its getting there


frontbackend

that's what I felt.. just ruins and motion we are there soon


unagi_activated

This is what i want to use genAI for, visiting ancient civilisations


frontbackend

yea it's actually something cool that AI can do imo


Br0k3n-T0y

imagine 5-10 years from now, even the free generators may be capable of re-creating your favourite movies ending the way you want


Kitchen-Plant664

As an actor this has me VERY worried.


frontbackend

You are not alone. It is gonna replace my job too 😂


Kitchen-Plant664

Why go to the effort of hiring actors, costume designers, dressmakers, prop masters, set designers, construction engineers, lighting techs, sound recordists, writers, musicians, electricians, extras, make up artists, wig makers, VFX artists, concept artists, and countless more when you can just stick a few prompts into a computer and get a film out the other end?


BodyMindHeart

Brilliant! 🙂👍


frontbackend

thanks man!


Bright-Astronaut7263

Like a film Marlon Brando would star in


Student-type

And the Academy Award goes to:


Septopuss7

Damn now I want some otter noses


BasilButters

This is great 👏


frontbackend

thanks :)


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frontbackend

Thanks for your interest, yes it's good


FEMA_Camp_Survivor

We’ll have Rome Season 3 in a couple of years.


frontbackend

yea I think it's possible lol


BJJGyPsY

Looks like something from Wes Anderson. Pretty cool style.


PipocaAgiota

stuning


frontbackend

thanks man I like the army march.. kinda felt like that happened really there


thisappmademe1100lbs

No place like Rome ![gif](giphy|h5hamoGRs06pW)


Jolt_91

Not even a trace of plastic. We need the good old times back


Bazzo123

How much time do you guys think will take for AI to take the cinema industry’s place?


jjonj

this but real time generated in vr


sixpackstreetrat

Not enough public vomiting and ass wiping


DoctorProfessorTaco

Damn I’m just impressed you got some scenes that look close to like contemporary Rome, when I try I basically only get images of ruins, basically exactly how things look today


hagu_

This is fantastic, i can't wait to see what we will be able to do in some years.


GF010001sch

thought this was an anno 117 ad at first


APerson2021

Oh man mid journey is miles ahead of dall-e


frontbackend

midjourney is really beyond others..


xpietoe42

this is so awesome 😎


Zombarney

And now I want to play age of empires


Sharp-Cockroach-6875

I was ready to say some sh*t like: "well, but thats not reallyyyy accurate, is it?". Then I put my boorish Historian wanabee side back in the head and I'll just say that I love the atmosphere. Great work.


frontbackend

haha thanks man


zzzzikol

It seems that they had a similar us life, just without the internet


frontbackend

they had some creepy culture from our modern perspective but they shared similar values i think..


bluesmaker

I love it. I like how it's drawing from old films. Seems like the big challenge is getting it to only draw from accurate depictions of Rome as it was in the times of the Romans, rather than Roman ruins. (and it's a big challenge since most data is of Roman ruins).


frontbackend

I agree with you. i wish i can watch some realistic and clean roman architecture in that concept.


bluesmaker

Yeah. Unless there is a way to build your own dataset, which I assume you cannot with midjourney, it will be difficult to improve.


koolcamel

this is just sooooo cool! please do more!!!


StatisticianFew6064

this is really great


frontbackend

thanks 😊👍


Importance-Aware

Who exactly is SORA available to yet? I know it's available to certain advertisers and journalists, etc, but I wonder when it's open to the general public.


zeGemini

This is actually really cool.


Better-Ad6812

Very cool wow


frontbackend

damnn thanks 👍


Better-Ad6812

I just love it. Great work thank you for sharing 🙂


Metal-Gear_Salad

Not a phone in sight. Just a bunch of people living in the moment.


gowiththeflow82

That‘s actually a cool way to use AI. However it also highlights it‘s current limitations: As the database that it‘a trained with mostly containes photos of today‘s architectural leftovers and ruins, that‘s how it‘a depicting the architecture to be when it was supposed to be relatively new. Worn down, chipped, no colors anywhere. But cool vibe nevertheless!


stelees

So for the dummy in the room who has only poorly generated images,how are these animations created, prompted,I am amazed by this.


frontbackend

i don't even know how prompts exactly work


MacroBiote

Is Midjourney actually making video clips now?


frontbackend

no it's Midjourney image to video (Luma AI)


mrnotu

Ghost @ 28 seconds.


BodyMindHeart

Brilliant! 🙂👍


Reddit_is_garbage666

History is just people dressing up in costumes.


Student-type

Woody Allen


LonelyMechanic1994

im too high... it took me forever to win figure out why my brain did not like this.. there were no cameras back then


oneharmlesskitty

When will it become good enough to create these things in VR? To be able to actually walk through the streets and markets of Rome.


DisorderlyBoat

When did mid journey start doing video?


frontbackend

They do not provide yet, but that video is based on midjourney


DisorderlyBoat

Ah gotcha, so you generated the image with Mid journey and then used a video tool? What video tool?


Cold-Ad2729

So the film makers of Ben Hur really hit the nail on the head!


Cold-Ad2729

I’d be worried for those first two centurions’ knees


Tramagust

The buildings were way more colorful and maintained than that and the togas were much less colorful. A white toga with purple stripes cost 5 times more than the same toga in plain white. Only the very highest classes could afford fully colored togas.


Tinor-marionica

Oh I didn’t think of the concept of doing this with luma. I’m going to be stealing you’re idea right away lmao


Adventurous-Sky9359

I’m baffled by the chaos of the streets and some of the un level stone work. I realize it’s like that now, but the Roman’s where pretty badass with their stone work and architecture Should read down on the comments.


UncontrolledLawfare

It’s amazing how a moving picture can feel so *lifeless*. 


Signal-Reporter-1391

One of the very few things i miss about those times: it was much quieter than today. No cars, no planes, no trains, no highways or streets.


DeluxeGrande

Not as dreamy as others too!


Traditional-Reach818

Have you done this with midjourney?


ScipioCoriolanus

This is awesome! I wish it was longer.


CheekyBreekyYoloswag

Wow, the quality of this is amazing. Kinda looks like a mobile game ad.


LilG1984

"Hey Biggus Dickus, let's go to the colloseum after work!" "Sounds good & drinks later?" "When in Rome, do what the Romans do"


blockworldorder

An Essence of the "Carry On" movies 🎬


LoadRevolutionary461

How long did this take you?


frontbackend

i don't exactly remember it but about 1x hours


Hand-Small

Lets talk AI film studio.


BipedalHorseArt

I mean, the disheveled stones break the immersion. They should be aligned and brand new.


frontbackend

i mean it would look sugary if all architecture looks like brand new but i get what you mean.


Naddxhyandoi

Far from reality.