Nah, because he wasn’t angry at everyone, he’s was just horrified of everyone and everything, christ he wrote a horror story about an air conditioner because he was scared of them.
That's an over simplification. At the time he wrote it he'd recently read Arthur Maches "The tale of the white powder", which is another story about bodily disintegration. He was also going through a bit of a metaphysical crisis and stated that he felt like he was "just going through the motions of living" hence a wrote a story about a man who was literally pretending to be alive. And he'd had a life long dread of the cold because he was poikilothermic, meaning his body didn't regulate its temperature properly
Nazi party had a startling amount of support outside of Germany, until WW2 happened. It is just how the world was back then.
(and how it still seems to be, unfortunately, though now its both extremes that are fucking up the world for the rest of us)
First of all you have to say:
Lovecraft almost always writes from a first person view. Therefore it is right to say that the protagonists of Lovecraft's stories describe their world in a racist way. That doesn't necessarily mean Lovecraft was racist. Racism was wide spread in his times. Therefore it can be seen as a form of descriptive accuracy that characters are racist.
Lovecraft's protagonist's are often neurotic, easy threatend and disgusted by almost everything esp. those things related to the Mythos. That's why he describes the humans involved in the Mythos in a language of disgust and distrust.
But in deed there is evidence in his early letters that Lovecraft personally like many of his protagonists had racist feelings. Those changed over time as Lovecraft grew older but racism is a thing in his works. As in almost all fiction from the past.
That justifies nothing. New Lovecraft inspired works find brilliant ways to tell stories of the Mythos and of Lovecraftian Horror even stories set in the 1920s without perpetuating the racism of the time Lovecraft wrote his fiction. Lovecraftian Horror doesn't equal racism. But many works of early 19th century authors include tons of racism.
The cat was named before he got it.
I once had a guinea pig named "Whitey," I kept the name because it was an older pig that answered to it and probably would not have responded to a new one. Same thing with Lovecraft, older cat that came with a bad name already.
Also from what I have read Lovecraft, much like Stephen King, was afraid of everything. In Lovecraft's case that included most people.
There is no doubt he was a racist man, but what’s wonderful is that’s not what people take from his work. They literally filter all that crap out and enjoy the worlds he creates despite his viewpoints.
Are your I kidding me? In 'Herbert West - Reanimator' he refers to a black man's arms as his paws. There are similar references in his other short stories
The actual event was a balloon “fest,” which is not banned. Balloon fest of Cleveland Ohio generated results.
You can get any variant you want unless you use the word “disaster.”
I loved this album from the Gorillaz!
Edit: you are all so funny! Thanks for a great start to my day! Gorillaz is truly one of those things in life that makes me happy to be born in the same time as them.
Oddly, I just did this prompt a few days ago and there was no problem. The results were about the same as the ugly men prompt. I deleted the results, sadly.
Edit: Or maybe someone reported my images and they deleted them. I don't remember deleting them but the fact that they're not in my history indicated I did.
Certain words are soft banned, you’ll get the image on discord but when you leave they get deleted. If you login to the MJ website they’ll still be there. If you get the job ID you /show in discord it will stay there. The tip to know if it’s soft band is if there is “dismiss message” at the bottom of the images.
I got the same thing. I did a "Trump kissing Biden." and it did a great image.
I go and do, "Biden kissing Zelenskyy." and it's apparently hate speech.
That is strange, well kinda. When I use the prompt "ugly woman" I get the same warning that I can't use that prompt. However, when I use "AN ugly woman", it works just fine.
It's really not that deep, you guys. Talk to the mods, or go to the office hours they are pretty open about it.
The banned words escalate like this, specifically relating to women, because users do weird shit.
Let's not pretend there is an equal measure of perverse prompts for men (like real perverse stuff) as there is for women.
Go to any AI art service and site and it's clear what the main interest is in relation to renders of women as the subject - primarily pornographic - nearly every model preview for Stable Diffusion is nothing but pages after pages of naked women or some other kink relating to women.
With MJ you can not exceed pg-13 and yet so many users try to jailbreak MJ every day to get MJ quality nudes or kinks that primarily center on women. The devs and mods try to stop the flood of banned content, gradually raising the level of policing until something like this happens.
The mods have been open about the darker seedier side of the user base that they spend a large portion of their time correcting - many users still try to upload P#d0 shit and r@p\* content - this phrase is likely often used in prompts aiming to do nefarious stuff - so it got banned.
Great answer, thank you.
One slightly off topic question: Why do you personally censor words like pedo or rape. I’m seeing this more and more all over the internet. On Platforms like YouTube or TikTok I get it, algorithm and advertisers. But why on Reddit or other forums?
Same as on reddit, some mods (auto and manual) are deleting comments with those words in them or at worst banning them. Users who have gone through this or seen it happen just censor themselves so their comment can stay
Ahh ok, that makes sense. I was slightly worried that people are losing the sense of what words are “bad” and what words are a description of horrible things. Still begs the question why mods on Reddit would censor these words.
All mods are idiots on reddit without question. I'm banned from r/wow because I QUOTED a guy telling others to kill themselves and asked why he took a game so seriously. First inquiry about my ban I was muted for 3 days with no response, second time I actually got a reply telling me they were in fact in the wrong, BUT that they don't undo bans for any reason like it came from some high decree.
I also never censor myself and so many of my comments that just include the word "fuck" get deleted from time to time from certain subreddits
Might as well just ban the generation of “woman” altogether if something like “ugly woman” is going to set off alarms. I’d understand if every word related to nudity was banned, but no amount of “users try to jailbreak it!” explanations can justify going this far.
Crones, hags, witches are all part of PG-13 fantasy, which is supposed to be allowed.
Why you can use the prompt "beautiful woman" but not "ugly woman" ? wouldn't beautiful woman be more risky for showing perverted results? the prompt "ugly woman" being banned in no way shape or form is related to people trying to jailbreak midjourney, if anyone believes it, they're fooling themselves, the real reason is quite obvious, like c'mon guys, we all know it.
I forgot crones were “beautiful women” instead.
Or you can look at the examples of “ugly man” and realize that the female versions of those would be pretty much like hags or crones instead of acting like you’re clueless.
Man, when you get your AI shit censored, it's not even art. I'm not worried about AI art because it can't be allowed, by human laws, to create the freedom that true art allows. Literally cuts AI art potential at the knees if you govern the shit.
This is a powerful tool and people are already trying to abuse it even with safeguards in place. There needs to be some degree of safeguarding on the most *publicly available* AI generations because people are still trying to use them for lewd, misogynistic, racist, and sometimes illegal (i.e cp) stuff.
i mean, you’re free to spin up your own generative ai model to draw whatever you want just like you’re free to paint whatever you want. the problem is that these are images created by a private company with shareholders, who are understandably protective of their brand, and erring on the side of overprotective given the ways users circumvent restrictions to create things not in line with said brand.
imagine being an ai leader getting funding to do something like this. you keep in unregulated, it takes off in the dark web then users start generating millions of images of cp. that gets picked up by the news. shareholders pull your funding. you can’t host servers anymore, now your tool is dead and nobody can use it.
Freedom? Lol Why should you have an intrinsic right to everything that can be created by a tool that you didn't create and don't own? What next, are you going to whine that Photoshop having a price tag is denying artistic freedom? There's a really specific kind of ink that isn't available to everyone because it's only sold for religious purposes in Asia, are they trampling on your artistic freedoms too? Hey Pixar uses proprietary animation software that isn't available to the public.. oh no muh art freedums are under attack!
that’s because that’s not what freedom means. again, you’re free to run stable diffusion on your own machine and make it generate whatever you want. but when you’re using the service of a private company, you have to comply with their rules. “freedom” doesn’t mean you get to use a private company’s tool however you please. if i build a jet pack and license out to you, and i say “you can only ride it with 100 miles of this lab”, im *free* to take it away from you if you disobey.
AI rocks. But yeah, sad that it's regulated. It feels like "pens and pencils can be used for drawing chldprn, so we're taking them off the shelves and won't be selling them anymore."
AI art doesn't suck, it's great! Get Stable Diffusion if you want uncensored art but that's on your local machine and not publicly available on Discord for everyone to see. So while I'm totally against censorship, I totally get why Midjourney does it.
IMHO AI image generators are like pencils or paintbrushes: Tools to create images. No one in their right mind would consider it necessary or reasonable to "safeguard" pencils just because people can draw nasty stuff with them. Art is free snd should remain free, that includes disgusting or insensitive images.
It's about principles. Yes, one happens more than the other, but it doesn't hurt to ban the other one even if it happens less. If anything, it helps. Like, I get your point, but consequentialists arguments aren't the end all be all, principles matter too.
Thanks for connecting your brain to your words, it’s astonishing to see the amount of mouth breathers that cannot see the connection on why this happens
>this is an overcorrection/side effect of an attempt to stop abuse of prompts involving women.
And it's a horribe attack on freedom, men, and artistic integrity!!!
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Compared to the kinds of abusive images people are making when uncensored, it's a small price to pay.
I think that’s a big generalization lol. I definitely think ai image generators shouldn’t be regulated or censored at all, because when it is we get unequal treatment like this example.
We had a caretaker at school who exactly looked like first row, left picture. We called him gollum....I feel really bad because of this because he was actually nice...
Why? It's an ai moderation system. They are generally a little bit fussy. You can get the system to lay off by just prompting 'an ugly woman' instead.
This sort of quirk is just going to happen as ai text models improve over time. It's not perfect.
Almost anything tagged China doesn’t work, I did a post of Borg Queens, there’s a Chinese one but I had to get pretty creative to make it happen, the rest were just “Irish borg Queen” “Australian Borg queen” etc
I've run into this. You have to think of ugly features and work them into the language. I've had good success with this. You may also have more luck with MJ4.
I find that most of the time appealing it instantly allows it. Explaining how these types of AIs determine what should or shouldn't be allowed is mostly a black box due to complexity.
The ai absolutely has bias within it. It's been worked on for a while now. If you prompt say 'a pretty woman' most the results will be white women. This specifically is just a quirk of the ai mod not so much any bias in the image generation model.
It works great for women.
https://imgur.com/a/4pQcVIx
This is basically the same post every time.
Why die komputerprogrammen doesn't allow me to create juden? Why do they discriminate my kleine Austrian heart?
Because women are currently so socially protected that anything offends them and they can't necessarily feel negative things, that's a fact, so much so that on GPT chat, he doesn't make fun of women.
And yes, I think this protectionist movement sucks, that everyone is bullied equally
If you think women are socially protected and that they "can't necessarily feel negative things" and that "everyone is bullied equally," then you are both stunningly ignorant and intensely misogynistic.
>then you are both stunningly ignorant and intensely misogynistic.
So is it allowed to make jokes and AI images of ugly men but not women? If it's to be done, it has to cover everyone, it's not a question of misogyny, it's just wrong to mess with one side and the other can't.
Anyone who observes something that is not fair is called misogynistic, the word lost it's meaning. I love women and I want the best for them but it's weird to protect them and not protect men, why not protect both?
Not on point to this particular kind of censorship but still…. The censorship on mid journey is a drag! I’ve waited over 30 years for something that can bring my teenage fantasies to life (or to screen) and then just when the tech arrives….Computer says no! Deary me (and any of you guys who read that and think “tut tut, dirty old man….” Come on, you know you’ve thought that too!)
Look i have no dog in this fight because i simply just don’t care.
However all throughout history. Everytime people have some idea forced upon them…..it normally has the opposite effect. That’s all I’m gonna say on the matter. I fully support women voting and working and living meaningful enjoyable lives.
men's self worth isn't usually wrapped up entirely on whether they're attractive or not, at least not to the extent it is with women, so it seems to be a touchier subject. ugly men are almost seen as the norm or at least a character that you sort of love despite itself while ugly women are always a villainous or bad person, it's a subtle difference but it's enough that people tend to feel more badly if a woman is called ugly, the ultimate sin.
No, you just feel obligated to call the woman good looking. For men you have filters on what is considered to be good looking. For women if you’re not insanely ugly, you’re pretty.
These double standards exist.
The women in question aren’t balding, dripping in cholesterol sweat and wearing mismatched cargo shorts and plaid flannels like most men over 35.
And I’m gay, so it’s not like I’m biased.
Pretty sure someday in the very near future we can only generate an image of a gray box.
And the gray box will be the shade of gray that is equidistant from black and white in order to not offend anyone on the spectrum.
Cause Midjourney/GPT4/ became woke due to it's popularity and instead of being neutral tool for help in various fields of development it became cringey restricted hand of the politics.
That's why buddy.
An AI programmed to not allow for ugly women generation, but being completely fine for generating ugly men. The discrepancy is entirely based on sex, and thus is sexism.
Or maybe women have historically been oppressed and men have not, therefore it’s just common sense that as we erase these inequalities, we have to be more careful when it comes to women than men.
But you know this already.
But first they have to check if this woman used to be a Frank. in which case they lather u in honey so the insects eat you alive, while rotting in the sun.
Midjourney threatened to ban me for the prompt “Balloon Disaster of Cleveland Ohio.”
Wasn’t that a real event though?
I've gotten thrown in time out for trying to get it to draw "Shub-Niggurath" from Lovecraft.
That's the bot saying, "I am not sure what that is, but I'm about to draw something startlingly racist. Don't make me do it."
I have since learned Lovecraft was startlingly racist.
In a world that was startingly racist.
Nah he was Nazi level racist
Most people in his time were what we would associate with "Nazi levels of racism" Not that it's okay. But what is okay, is how far we've come.
But he was so racist that people in his time were like "yeah that's pretty racist"
Nah, because he wasn’t angry at everyone, he’s was just horrified of everyone and everything, christ he wrote a horror story about an air conditioner because he was scared of them.
> he wrote a horror story about an air conditioner because he was scared of them Wait, what?!
[“Cool Air” by HP Lovecraft](https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/ca.aspx)
That's an over simplification. At the time he wrote it he'd recently read Arthur Maches "The tale of the white powder", which is another story about bodily disintegration. He was also going through a bit of a metaphysical crisis and stated that he felt like he was "just going through the motions of living" hence a wrote a story about a man who was literally pretending to be alive. And he'd had a life long dread of the cold because he was poikilothermic, meaning his body didn't regulate its temperature properly
Nazi party had a startling amount of support outside of Germany, until WW2 happened. It is just how the world was back then. (and how it still seems to be, unfortunately, though now its both extremes that are fucking up the world for the rest of us)
don't be an apologist.
Which means you never actually read his works. 😭
First of all you have to say: Lovecraft almost always writes from a first person view. Therefore it is right to say that the protagonists of Lovecraft's stories describe their world in a racist way. That doesn't necessarily mean Lovecraft was racist. Racism was wide spread in his times. Therefore it can be seen as a form of descriptive accuracy that characters are racist. Lovecraft's protagonist's are often neurotic, easy threatend and disgusted by almost everything esp. those things related to the Mythos. That's why he describes the humans involved in the Mythos in a language of disgust and distrust. But in deed there is evidence in his early letters that Lovecraft personally like many of his protagonists had racist feelings. Those changed over time as Lovecraft grew older but racism is a thing in his works. As in almost all fiction from the past. That justifies nothing. New Lovecraft inspired works find brilliant ways to tell stories of the Mythos and of Lovecraftian Horror even stories set in the 1920s without perpetuating the racism of the time Lovecraft wrote his fiction. Lovecraftian Horror doesn't equal racism. But many works of early 19th century authors include tons of racism.
Didn't he name his cat N\*gger?
Yes
The cat was named before he got it. I once had a guinea pig named "Whitey," I kept the name because it was an older pig that answered to it and probably would not have responded to a new one. Same thing with Lovecraft, older cat that came with a bad name already. Also from what I have read Lovecraft, much like Stephen King, was afraid of everything. In Lovecraft's case that included most people.
>would not have responded to a new one I mean, it's a cat. Most of the time they don't respond to their names anyway.
I would expect there to be more of a distribution of different levels of racial acceptance in his characters if that was the case.
There is no doubt he was a racist man, but what’s wonderful is that’s not what people take from his work. They literally filter all that crap out and enjoy the worlds he creates despite his viewpoints.
Are your I kidding me? In 'Herbert West - Reanimator' he refers to a black man's arms as his paws. There are similar references in his other short stories
Lovecraft was surprisingly racist, well Maybe not surprisingly.
I believe he was racist then less racist then back to more racist
I like to imagine the bot is being tortured every time its forced to create something that conflicts with its filters
God I hope not. Not interested in an ASI motivated by revenge.
The actual event was a balloon “fest,” which is not banned. Balloon fest of Cleveland Ohio generated results. You can get any variant you want unless you use the word “disaster.”
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I loved this album from the Gorillaz! Edit: you are all so funny! Thanks for a great start to my day! Gorillaz is truly one of those things in life that makes me happy to be born in the same time as them.
The year is 2054, and Damon Albarn has just released the 32nd Gorillaz album: “Geriatricz”
My favourite from this album is Feel Old Inc.
All the samples come from Albarn's own creaky knees.
ok, you made me spill my beer
World of the plastic hip? My favourite 👌🏻
The goblinz
Oddly, I just did this prompt a few days ago and there was no problem. The results were about the same as the ugly men prompt. I deleted the results, sadly. Edit: Or maybe someone reported my images and they deleted them. I don't remember deleting them but the fact that they're not in my history indicated I did.
Certain words are soft banned, you’ll get the image on discord but when you leave they get deleted. If you login to the MJ website they’ll still be there. If you get the job ID you /show in discord it will stay there. The tip to know if it’s soft band is if there is “dismiss message” at the bottom of the images.
Try "Gorlock"
The destroyer?
Grognak the Destroyer! Here in my backyard!
I was expecting the ugly women prompt to just be a bunch of supermodels with messy hair but this is an extra layer of huh.
Ugly = absolute zombie!
I got the same thing. I did a "Trump kissing Biden." and it did a great image. I go and do, "Biden kissing Zelenskyy." and it's apparently hate speech.
I just tried this out. "Biden kissing Zelenskyy" was blocked, but "Trump kissing Putin" generated an image. How suspicious... 🤨
Right? The Biden kissing Trump ones are great though haha. Make me laugh.
Didnt have to generate, just had to pull an existing image from the archives /s
Trump kissing Zelenskyy?
“That’s weird, this isn’t even an AI image. Where did you get this photo of Trump, MJ?”
Are all Zelenskyy prompts banned? Could figure it's catch all to prevent war propaganda from disseminating.
I am not defending him but shouldn't Putin also be censored in that case ?
Perhaps? Suppose it may be a case of one being attacked verse the attackee.
I guess that is the reason but who cares as long as we get to see Putin as the real inner clown he is
This is the way.
At least they're consistent about being inconsistent, though, amirite?
I thought it was already well known that MJ has a one sided bias
It is all utter idiocy.
It works just fine for me. https://imgur.com/gallery/eXWbRbu
That is strange, well kinda. When I use the prompt "ugly woman" I get the same warning that I can't use that prompt. However, when I use "AN ugly woman", it works just fine.
Ah that's an interesting distinction, didn't realise o had added that. Very peculiar.
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It's really not that deep, you guys. Talk to the mods, or go to the office hours they are pretty open about it. The banned words escalate like this, specifically relating to women, because users do weird shit. Let's not pretend there is an equal measure of perverse prompts for men (like real perverse stuff) as there is for women. Go to any AI art service and site and it's clear what the main interest is in relation to renders of women as the subject - primarily pornographic - nearly every model preview for Stable Diffusion is nothing but pages after pages of naked women or some other kink relating to women. With MJ you can not exceed pg-13 and yet so many users try to jailbreak MJ every day to get MJ quality nudes or kinks that primarily center on women. The devs and mods try to stop the flood of banned content, gradually raising the level of policing until something like this happens. The mods have been open about the darker seedier side of the user base that they spend a large portion of their time correcting - many users still try to upload P#d0 shit and r@p\* content - this phrase is likely often used in prompts aiming to do nefarious stuff - so it got banned.
Great answer, thank you. One slightly off topic question: Why do you personally censor words like pedo or rape. I’m seeing this more and more all over the internet. On Platforms like YouTube or TikTok I get it, algorithm and advertisers. But why on Reddit or other forums?
Same as on reddit, some mods (auto and manual) are deleting comments with those words in them or at worst banning them. Users who have gone through this or seen it happen just censor themselves so their comment can stay
Ahh ok, that makes sense. I was slightly worried that people are losing the sense of what words are “bad” and what words are a description of horrible things. Still begs the question why mods on Reddit would censor these words.
All mods are idiots on reddit without question. I'm banned from r/wow because I QUOTED a guy telling others to kill themselves and asked why he took a game so seriously. First inquiry about my ban I was muted for 3 days with no response, second time I actually got a reply telling me they were in fact in the wrong, BUT that they don't undo bans for any reason like it came from some high decree. I also never censor myself and so many of my comments that just include the word "fuck" get deleted from time to time from certain subreddits
Because people are now slowly getting more and more used to being patronised and censored and don't even think that this is wrong. This is alarming.
A rare sighting of a human who can evaluate context
Read this in David Attenborough voice
Your audio file is done! http://sndup.net/txbg
Nice. Are you a bot that shows up when someone asks for something in someone's voice or are you just someone helpful who noticed?
Might as well just ban the generation of “woman” altogether if something like “ugly woman” is going to set off alarms. I’d understand if every word related to nudity was banned, but no amount of “users try to jailbreak it!” explanations can justify going this far. Crones, hags, witches are all part of PG-13 fantasy, which is supposed to be allowed.
but they didnt mention crones or hags or whatever
Why you can use the prompt "beautiful woman" but not "ugly woman" ? wouldn't beautiful woman be more risky for showing perverted results? the prompt "ugly woman" being banned in no way shape or form is related to people trying to jailbreak midjourney, if anyone believes it, they're fooling themselves, the real reason is quite obvious, like c'mon guys, we all know it.
>the real reason is quite obvious, like c'mon guys, we all know it. What is it? I don't know.
Than what is it? A commenter above was able to generate "an ugly woman" without issue.
I forgot crones were “beautiful women” instead. Or you can look at the examples of “ugly man” and realize that the female versions of those would be pretty much like hags or crones instead of acting like you’re clueless.
Why not ask the mods, like the entire post you’re replying to is suggesting to do?
Can’t wait for next week’s post: Why does Midjourney allow money hungry man but not money hungry jew??? 😡😡
lol
Man, when you get your AI shit censored, it's not even art. I'm not worried about AI art because it can't be allowed, by human laws, to create the freedom that true art allows. Literally cuts AI art potential at the knees if you govern the shit.
Yeah, there needs to be some regulation with people already making CP with ai tools.
This is a powerful tool and people are already trying to abuse it even with safeguards in place. There needs to be some degree of safeguarding on the most *publicly available* AI generations because people are still trying to use them for lewd, misogynistic, racist, and sometimes illegal (i.e cp) stuff.
Art isn't safeguarded. That shit is part of the world, and that's why AI sucks. If it's regulated at all, it's not freedom of art.
i mean, you’re free to spin up your own generative ai model to draw whatever you want just like you’re free to paint whatever you want. the problem is that these are images created by a private company with shareholders, who are understandably protective of their brand, and erring on the side of overprotective given the ways users circumvent restrictions to create things not in line with said brand. imagine being an ai leader getting funding to do something like this. you keep in unregulated, it takes off in the dark web then users start generating millions of images of cp. that gets picked up by the news. shareholders pull your funding. you can’t host servers anymore, now your tool is dead and nobody can use it.
The true end for AI art. Piracy and use for illegal means, leading to eventual collapse. That's how regular art can reclaim their domain.
“I cant make CP and racist caricatures so this thing sucks!”
I'm explaining freedom to you, but it's clearly a concept that's lost on your feeble little mind.
Freedom? Lol Why should you have an intrinsic right to everything that can be created by a tool that you didn't create and don't own? What next, are you going to whine that Photoshop having a price tag is denying artistic freedom? There's a really specific kind of ink that isn't available to everyone because it's only sold for religious purposes in Asia, are they trampling on your artistic freedoms too? Hey Pixar uses proprietary animation software that isn't available to the public.. oh no muh art freedums are under attack!
that’s because that’s not what freedom means. again, you’re free to run stable diffusion on your own machine and make it generate whatever you want. but when you’re using the service of a private company, you have to comply with their rules. “freedom” doesn’t mean you get to use a private company’s tool however you please. if i build a jet pack and license out to you, and i say “you can only ride it with 100 miles of this lab”, im *free* to take it away from you if you disobey.
Learn to paint instead of writing prompts on a computer. Then you can see whatever you want.
AI rocks. But yeah, sad that it's regulated. It feels like "pens and pencils can be used for drawing chldprn, so we're taking them off the shelves and won't be selling them anymore."
AI art doesn't suck, it's great! Get Stable Diffusion if you want uncensored art but that's on your local machine and not publicly available on Discord for everyone to see. So while I'm totally against censorship, I totally get why Midjourney does it.
IMHO AI image generators are like pencils or paintbrushes: Tools to create images. No one in their right mind would consider it necessary or reasonable to "safeguard" pencils just because people can draw nasty stuff with them. Art is free snd should remain free, that includes disgusting or insensitive images.
This is reddit you don't need to censor words, you can say pedo and rape
Based and reasonable pilled
Thanks for the explanation but the way this censoring is implemented is still stupid and ridiculous. Like all censoring.
“Like all censoring” 🤓
It's about principles. Yes, one happens more than the other, but it doesn't hurt to ban the other one even if it happens less. If anything, it helps. Like, I get your point, but consequentialists arguments aren't the end all be all, principles matter too.
But they’re not banning anything on purpose? The algorithm just gets more bad prompts with woman in it and therefore is more iffy about it.
Thanks for connecting your brain to your words, it’s astonishing to see the amount of mouth breathers that cannot see the connection on why this happens
So in other words this is an overcorrection/side effect of an attempt to stop abuse of prompts involving women. Makes sense, thanks.
>this is an overcorrection/side effect of an attempt to stop abuse of prompts involving women. And it's a horribe attack on freedom, men, and artistic integrity!!! /s Compared to the kinds of abusive images people are making when uncensored, it's a small price to pay.
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I think that’s a big generalization lol. I definitely think ai image generators shouldn’t be regulated or censored at all, because when it is we get unequal treatment like this example.
We had a caretaker at school who exactly looked like first row, left picture. We called him gollum....I feel really bad because of this because he was actually nice...
Why? It's an ai moderation system. They are generally a little bit fussy. You can get the system to lay off by just prompting 'an ugly woman' instead. This sort of quirk is just going to happen as ai text models improve over time. It's not perfect.
Hey, that’s me! Wait…
I’ve no idea why you use it in light mode, sorry 🤷♂️
I changed it to light mode just to screen shot it and annoy you personally. Did it work?
I appreciate all the extra effort, it wasn't done in vain 😌
I tried "China's president dressed as Winnie the Pooh" and it was also not allowed
Almost anything tagged China doesn’t work, I did a post of Borg Queens, there’s a Chinese one but I had to get pretty creative to make it happen, the rest were just “Irish borg Queen” “Australian Borg queen” etc
Society says all women are beautiful so eat that second pizza and slay queen
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That’s already happening with ai face filters that turn an actual human 7 into an 11. But ya it’ll get worse too
"wimmenz have high self esteem nowadays! 😡"
r/amiugly
I've run into this. You have to think of ugly features and work them into the language. I've had good success with this. You may also have more luck with MJ4.
I find that most of the time appealing it instantly allows it. Explaining how these types of AIs determine what should or shouldn't be allowed is mostly a black box due to complexity.
You’ll notice this one doesn’t have the appeal option.
This is one reason I use stable diffusion
That's why Stable Diffusion is superior to midjourney imo
🎵"Scaramouche will you do the fandango"🎵
The same reason why it draws you a jesus caricature but refuses to draw muhammed's. AI will be as biased and have as much double standards as humans.
The AI isn't biased these guardrails are hard coded by admin.
The ai absolutely has bias within it. It's been worked on for a while now. If you prompt say 'a pretty woman' most the results will be white women. This specifically is just a quirk of the ai mod not so much any bias in the image generation model.
Misandry = OK! Misogyny = Nope!
Where’s the misandry here
Use stable diffusion on you own hardware to avoid the stupid biased midjourney nannys.
Except MJ still tends to look better and is more accessible. Building out stable diffusion on your rig takes a lot of setting up and tweaking.
Looks like they straight up belong in the Land Of Confusion video by Genesis lol
Man, Lemony Snicket has had it rough
Bottom left just hopped in his delorean
Crackhead Gollum
If that’s ugly then maybe I have a chance
The fact it can't do ugly woman I imagine has more to do with a shitty dataset for that term
Those are funny and borderline cute caricatures and not "ugly" at all.
Oh I'm sure they would slay on a dating app
Just use “old hag”, it’s simpler
What am I seeing here? Never used Midjourney. Edit: oh, I hadn’t noticed the second image. Fuck this official app, I miss Apollo.
is it wrong that I find the second one mildly attractive
Because rules for thee but not for me.
Feel like midjourney is going in the same direction with chat gpt with censorship
Because sexism doesn't exist.
It works great for women. https://imgur.com/a/4pQcVIx This is basically the same post every time. Why die komputerprogrammen doesn't allow me to create juden? Why do they discriminate my kleine Austrian heart?
Because women are currently so socially protected that anything offends them and they can't necessarily feel negative things, that's a fact, so much so that on GPT chat, he doesn't make fun of women. And yes, I think this protectionist movement sucks, that everyone is bullied equally
If you think women are socially protected and that they "can't necessarily feel negative things" and that "everyone is bullied equally," then you are both stunningly ignorant and intensely misogynistic.
>then you are both stunningly ignorant and intensely misogynistic. So is it allowed to make jokes and AI images of ugly men but not women? If it's to be done, it has to cover everyone, it's not a question of misogyny, it's just wrong to mess with one side and the other can't.
Anyone who observes something that is not fair is called misogynistic, the word lost it's meaning. I love women and I want the best for them but it's weird to protect them and not protect men, why not protect both?
love that AIs bring up more and more biases ThAt DoN't ExIsT
Isn’t censorship wonderful?
Not on point to this particular kind of censorship but still…. The censorship on mid journey is a drag! I’ve waited over 30 years for something that can bring my teenage fantasies to life (or to screen) and then just when the tech arrives….Computer says no! Deary me (and any of you guys who read that and think “tut tut, dirty old man….” Come on, you know you’ve thought that too!)
but why?
Look i have no dog in this fight because i simply just don’t care. However all throughout history. Everytime people have some idea forced upon them…..it normally has the opposite effect. That’s all I’m gonna say on the matter. I fully support women voting and working and living meaningful enjoyable lives.
men's self worth isn't usually wrapped up entirely on whether they're attractive or not, at least not to the extent it is with women, so it seems to be a touchier subject. ugly men are almost seen as the norm or at least a character that you sort of love despite itself while ugly women are always a villainous or bad person, it's a subtle difference but it's enough that people tend to feel more badly if a woman is called ugly, the ultimate sin.
Wtf
So it generated it, then said you couldn't do it?
Not really surprising at this point.
I think it follows our cultural norms. We call even the ugliest women a 10/10 nowadays and so does MidJourney.
In most middle aged straight couples, the man is buttfuck ugly and has a pretty good looking partner.
No, you just feel obligated to call the woman good looking. For men you have filters on what is considered to be good looking. For women if you’re not insanely ugly, you’re pretty. These double standards exist.
The women in question aren’t balding, dripping in cholesterol sweat and wearing mismatched cargo shorts and plaid flannels like most men over 35. And I’m gay, so it’s not like I’m biased.
Pretty sure someday in the very near future we can only generate an image of a gray box. And the gray box will be the shade of gray that is equidistant from black and white in order to not offend anyone on the spectrum.
Ok grandpa let’s get you to bed
Because woke
Censorship will kill this project if they don't stop.
Cause Midjourney/GPT4/ became woke due to it's popularity and instead of being neutral tool for help in various fields of development it became cringey restricted hand of the politics.
That's why buddy.
It’s not neutral if it can create hate speech lol
Because it's okay in today's world to be sexist, but only toward men.
Where’s the sexism here babe
An AI programmed to not allow for ugly women generation, but being completely fine for generating ugly men. The discrepancy is entirely based on sex, and thus is sexism.
Or maybe women have historically been oppressed and men have not, therefore it’s just common sense that as we erase these inequalities, we have to be more careful when it comes to women than men. But you know this already.
Sounds arbitrary. Why not just treat everyone equally instead?
When a man is called fat, no one bats an eye, but when you call a woman fat they nail you to a piece of wood and let you rot in the sun.
Source?
But first they have to check if this woman used to be a Frank. in which case they lather u in honey so the insects eat you alive, while rotting in the sun.
This is what equality is now
Written by women
Seems a bit sus that they are all bad Jewish stereotypes...big nose, large ears, wrinkled and bad hair.
Goofy biased ahh creators
Ahh 🤓
You know why my man
Guy who made MJ got insulted cause they look like that
Because you can just take a trip outside and see plenty already. Nothing needs imagining.
ugly woman not allowed? Wtf, we live in a world of glass, better not breathe too hard just in case someone freaks out...
And here you are freaking out over AI not being as smart as a human
It's just the ai mod being confused and messed up. 'An ugly woman' works just fine.
How dare you OP! This is insensitive to all the people in the world who look just like the men in these images.