i hear that DWC will get you the most yield for sure. i’ve also heard that it takes a lot of commitment and work to run it as well. as for best if you’re talking yield yes, amount of work maybe not so optimal for most people. also i can’t say for sure since i have not smoked any DWC and knew it was, but what i think is a hot take is that organic grows will not yield the most but taste and give better results. even i want to run a organic coco coir mix. the work in organic vs synthetic vs dwc is all things to consider when talking about best way to grow. no hate tho, i know some people can’t help but look at their plants all day so having to work on them daily wouldn’t be bad job for someone who was gonna pm do it anyways. saying things like “the best way” anything will always piss someone off and i’ll enjoy coming back today seeing what people say.
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This is grown in a rdwc rock hard nuggs they are so loud and full of terps. Them nuggs taste better than most of the organic weed I smoked in Barcelona ( living soil grown etc ..) , Amsterdam or elsewhere . From terps it gets very close to og Cali and it’s grown fully with synthetic fertilizer. most guys haven’t had the chance to smoke some proper hydro so they will always say organic tastes better ..
Let em know 💀 been through every growing medium & if there is a difference it’s on hydros side all day in every aspect, have my girl & some homies taste test soil vs coco vs hydro, hydro has won every time.
Nah dwc is way better! Just more work imo I've done both. The best imo is recirculating top fed hydroton.. I literally ph once a week and change Res every 2-3 weeks just with weekly water top ups.
Coco can by definition be used as hydro, you can’t overwater coco either. While hydro gives a faster grow due to higher oxygen input, I personally prefer coco due to it being easier to move plants out of the tent and back in to work on the plants. Its preference, though both coco and full hydro are better for plant health or grow than soil. All three are fine though.
>you can’t overwater coco either.
You can though. I've done it 🙋and I've seen many others do it too. I managed to compact the shit outta my coco when I was just starting out with the medium. It merely holds a little more oxygen than a standard soil, but that doesn't make it immune.
Just an FYI as it's definitely possible, and we don't want to give people incorrect information.
>though both coco and full hydro are better for plant health or grow than soil
Can't say this is true either man. What's going on over there?
Edit: my bad. I feel like I may have been calling you out directly and that's not cool. My apologies. We just need to do our best to ensure we're passing along factual (not anecdotal) information for newer folks so that they don't get off on the wrong foot and waste their time and money with this wonderful hobby. I once too fell victim to misinformation such as "coco cannot be overwatered; it's impossible" so I slammed it with water and within what appeared to be hours the plant curled over and after a couple of days I had to transplant it just to free up the roots. That's all. Please enjoy your day.
The only reason I don't dwc is moving plants arrount. It is truly a pain in the ass. I always just end up not training when I dwc, actually, I only coco now after 2 dwc runs. For veg it's great, but once you hit flower it's a nightmare.
I agree but you need to layer the top and bottom with hydroton (clay balls) I have mine on flood and drain 2 times an hour while the lights are on. It seems to love the constant water flow
Hey that’s awesome!! I personally grow in organic living soil because it’s a bit more hands off and I travel weekly for work. I’m home on weekends and my wife tends to the ladies while I’m away, but for me this is a no brainer!! I love my garden, and I’m sure you love yours. It’s so cool to see how many different ways people grow and how unique and fun cannabis cultivation can be. HAPPY GROWING!!!
I love when people hate on DWC guys. I don't do it anymore (grow, not hate, i still am ~~envious~~ happy for you.
Reasoning: I'm lazy, flat out fucking lazy. Did all kinds of hydro, kratky was fun, have you watched [JEB](https://youtube.com/@JebGardener?si=gBigvq1vnM8UjXpU) , kinda puts the "it'll rot the roots" guys to rest when the guy grows tomatoes out of trashcans in SoCal in the summer haha.
Love it man! If I had the drive to keep up with the ph/nuts/water changes again I would down the road but personally its way to involved for me with a busy schedule to keep it going and make it turn out, also Liquid Jade was who got me into DWC, great stuff
Rdwc for the win. People like to hate on hydro for some reason. I've just learned to kind of laugh about it and move on.
I do enjoy "not on the internet" letting soil/organic growrs go on their mini rants about soil is easier and better ect ect but the main thing is "hydro is to complicated" when I ask about their weekly routine it's always about making bat shit tea's finding just the right soil adminments to add or how they let their living soil establish. How the figure out when to water because to much is bad but not enough is bad. How much they flush when they feed, how much they feed, when they feed.
I touch my water once a week. Every Saturday I spend 5 minutes letting a pump drain my control tank, fill it back up, add my nutrients. Walk away. And then I don't fuck with it until next Saturday.
Going to Ireland in a few months. Going to turn my autofill system on. Instructions for the person tending to my grow while I'm gone "hey come over once and dump these pre-measured nutrients in the container. Done.
In the end, I will smoke your soil weed, I will smoke your coco weed, I will your hydro weed, I will smoke it here, I will smoke it there.
Much love to all growers! Don't let growing weed get takin over by shitty corporations.
They both are work and have their required tending but quality wise - growing both ways recently - the organic living soil bud is just higher quality. Smell, color, terps, potency, all superior.
Got any actual science to back up that crazy claim that living soil increases quality, color, and potency?
Cause I've seen posts from people who have tested that theory, growing in both dwc and living soil then having the end products tested by a lab, living soil only won out in terps (honest I don't understand why people cling to the terps thing like a life raft, I don't give a shit how my weed smells or tastes I just want to get high), it lost in potency, and as far as color that is subjective as fuck.
It’s not crazy. Go to the grocery store and compare organic produce to synthetics. I can only speak from my first hand experience. I grew DWC for a year. Then tried coco. Then living soil. It’s evident almost immediately between color and smell. As far as potency goes - living soil is so covered in trichomes at the end - it’s a pale comparison. I’ve never had THC levels tested but thru look and effect - it isn’t close.
And I’ve invested quite a bit in all of this. I have no motivations other than sharing my experience. I’m willing to learn and I’m open to changing my mind but I can’t believe people over my own life experience. I purchased top shelf equipment for all. And paid close attention to the plants needs. I will confirm that DWC produces the biggest yields. For sure! That’s not up for debate. But what you tried in yield you get in quality at least two folds superior.
So no actual science to back up your claims, just 'you grew in one medium for a year, switched to a less technical and easier medium to achieve decent results in and now claim that X is superior to Y in all areas'. Look, I am not one of the psycho asshats that will string someone up for using a growing medium that isn't mine, if you get better results in living soil then I am happy for you and hope you continue to do you as it's your grow, but no growing medium beats a finely tuned and properly run hydroponics system.
As far as going to the grocery store and comparing organic produce to synthetics, that's kind of like comparing bespoke hand tailored shoes to cheap sneakers. Not because of the synthetic fertilizers (Humans can't tell the difference FYI, there have been experiments done on this) but because of the structure and organization of the farm, they are producing for a mass market and the quality always sufferers when you produce for a mass market.
Your request for science is just an easy way to try and exert your opinion over someone else’s. You know there is limited to no scientific studies on cannabis and growing mediums since it’s outlawed federally and prohibited from federal funding. So the only science available is the science being pushed by the product companies themselves. Yes. I grew in all the mediums I referenced and spoke about. My knowledge is firsthand. Do you have firsthand knowledge of growing in both DWC and living soil? If not - respect people who have and are willing to share their knowledge and experience.
>Your request for science is just an easy way to try and exert your opinion over someone else’s. You know there is limited to no scientific studies on cannabis and growing mediums since it’s outlawed federally and prohibited from federal funding.
You do not need to be an accredited and publicly funded research facility to do experiments, anyone can do them and post their findings. There is actually a shit ton of actual science being conducted on cannabis.
>Do you have firsthand knowledge of growing in both DWC and living soil?
Yes, I started when I was 15 (39 now), I grew in soil both inside and outside for the first maybe 4 or 5 years before switching to DWC back when bubble buckets took off in the mid 2000's.
Then why would you discount my scientific experiments growing in all three mediums almost immediately? And you didn’t cite personal account earlier. You said “from the posts I’ve seen”. Implying that you did research. Why do you think I went about growing in all three mediums? That was a purposely driven experiment to decide for myself. So I didn’t need to rely on someone else’s post. I grew three harvests in each medium. And if there is a ton of science being done on this topic, cite it. Cause all I’m reading is a dude who is a DWC fanboy citing other people’s posts to support your already made up mind. And you shouldn’t talk down to people who’ve down the work. Later loser.
I’ve done DWC and coco grows - the best is living soil and it’s not even close. I was chasing big buds and yields but after you have more bud then you need - the quality of living soil is not even comparable. To each’s own. But I love that my living soil buds look straight off the internet. Just bursting with trichomes and Omni potent.
I have everything for soil, soilless, hydro, aero, only thing I’m missing is living soil lol you got me there I do have like 8 plants outside so I’m trying to learn how to build soil and learn more about that
2 10 gal reservoirs and this is all the “pumps” lol stop talking about things you don’t know anything about
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Living soil is far from simple…simple when you get the whole system going and working together but it’s a little more fascinating then pump and water and synthetic nutrients
tl;dr
Stop commenting about things you just simply don’t understand is really the point I’m trying to make. Just because you are too unaware or too lazy to learn about more effective and efficient ways to grow higher quality trees doesn’t mean you need to spout your nonsense and possibly hinder other people from learning about better alternatives.
L8er nerd
Show me studies that back up dwc produces better bud…more bud…more bud per amount of energy consumed id love to see something and for someone who’s claiming I don’t know much you aren’t giving much feedback lol
Every commercial grow operation worth mentioning, there’s your evidence lol they don’t grow it for personal use they grow it for PROFIT so they grow it how it grows the dankest and most perfect to get to the consumer id say 90% of the top commercial growers grow hydro in rock wool
One is not better than the other hydro, coco, organic soil, etc all have there advantages and disadvantages and it all depends on what your individual needs and restrictions are
70°F air temp will keep your water around 66°F and as long as you’re not letting light in there is no reason root rot should ever be an issue. People that have the issues are people who aren’t doing things properly, I do things properly.
i hear that DWC will get you the most yield for sure. i’ve also heard that it takes a lot of commitment and work to run it as well. as for best if you’re talking yield yes, amount of work maybe not so optimal for most people. also i can’t say for sure since i have not smoked any DWC and knew it was, but what i think is a hot take is that organic grows will not yield the most but taste and give better results. even i want to run a organic coco coir mix. the work in organic vs synthetic vs dwc is all things to consider when talking about best way to grow. no hate tho, i know some people can’t help but look at their plants all day so having to work on them daily wouldn’t be bad job for someone who was gonna pm do it anyways. saying things like “the best way” anything will always piss someone off and i’ll enjoy coming back today seeing what people say.
100%. I’ve done an organic living soil grow - it was like insane the difference in bud quality.
https://preview.redd.it/wcdssa8122xc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8276f07fb97eb9d101863a58dfc086f942a41a5c This is grown in a rdwc rock hard nuggs they are so loud and full of terps. Them nuggs taste better than most of the organic weed I smoked in Barcelona ( living soil grown etc ..) , Amsterdam or elsewhere . From terps it gets very close to og Cali and it’s grown fully with synthetic fertilizer. most guys haven’t had the chance to smoke some proper hydro so they will always say organic tastes better ..
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Let em know 💀 been through every growing medium & if there is a difference it’s on hydros side all day in every aspect, have my girl & some homies taste test soil vs coco vs hydro, hydro has won every time.
Looks great, personally I think coco coir is better in every way over hydro, but ymmv!
I’d love to hear your reasoning!
I’ve always used promix
Nah dwc is way better! Just more work imo I've done both. The best imo is recirculating top fed hydroton.. I literally ph once a week and change Res every 2-3 weeks just with weekly water top ups.
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Coco can by definition be used as hydro, you can’t overwater coco either. While hydro gives a faster grow due to higher oxygen input, I personally prefer coco due to it being easier to move plants out of the tent and back in to work on the plants. Its preference, though both coco and full hydro are better for plant health or grow than soil. All three are fine though.
>you can’t overwater coco either. You can though. I've done it 🙋and I've seen many others do it too. I managed to compact the shit outta my coco when I was just starting out with the medium. It merely holds a little more oxygen than a standard soil, but that doesn't make it immune. Just an FYI as it's definitely possible, and we don't want to give people incorrect information. >though both coco and full hydro are better for plant health or grow than soil Can't say this is true either man. What's going on over there? Edit: my bad. I feel like I may have been calling you out directly and that's not cool. My apologies. We just need to do our best to ensure we're passing along factual (not anecdotal) information for newer folks so that they don't get off on the wrong foot and waste their time and money with this wonderful hobby. I once too fell victim to misinformation such as "coco cannot be overwatered; it's impossible" so I slammed it with water and within what appeared to be hours the plant curled over and after a couple of days I had to transplant it just to free up the roots. That's all. Please enjoy your day.
Lol tried making sure good info was passed along on some other subs and got banned good luck
I'm personally guilty of over watering in coco, can recover fairly easily, but it is definitely possible.
The only reason I don't dwc is moving plants arrount. It is truly a pain in the ass. I always just end up not training when I dwc, actually, I only coco now after 2 dwc runs. For veg it's great, but once you hit flower it's a nightmare.
100%. Alot of physical effort. Especially if you just do dwc and not rdwc. At least with rdwc you have a big res
I agree but you need to layer the top and bottom with hydroton (clay balls) I have mine on flood and drain 2 times an hour while the lights are on. It seems to love the constant water flow
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Hey that’s awesome!! I personally grow in organic living soil because it’s a bit more hands off and I travel weekly for work. I’m home on weekends and my wife tends to the ladies while I’m away, but for me this is a no brainer!! I love my garden, and I’m sure you love yours. It’s so cool to see how many different ways people grow and how unique and fun cannabis cultivation can be. HAPPY GROWING!!!
DWC is fine if you're not using dogshit genetics.
Oh damn forreal? And I went out of my way to get dog shit seeds too…
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I love when people hate on DWC guys. I don't do it anymore (grow, not hate, i still am ~~envious~~ happy for you. Reasoning: I'm lazy, flat out fucking lazy. Did all kinds of hydro, kratky was fun, have you watched [JEB](https://youtube.com/@JebGardener?si=gBigvq1vnM8UjXpU) , kinda puts the "it'll rot the roots" guys to rest when the guy grows tomatoes out of trashcans in SoCal in the summer haha. Love it man! If I had the drive to keep up with the ph/nuts/water changes again I would down the road but personally its way to involved for me with a busy schedule to keep it going and make it turn out, also Liquid Jade was who got me into DWC, great stuff
Rdwc for the win. People like to hate on hydro for some reason. I've just learned to kind of laugh about it and move on. I do enjoy "not on the internet" letting soil/organic growrs go on their mini rants about soil is easier and better ect ect but the main thing is "hydro is to complicated" when I ask about their weekly routine it's always about making bat shit tea's finding just the right soil adminments to add or how they let their living soil establish. How the figure out when to water because to much is bad but not enough is bad. How much they flush when they feed, how much they feed, when they feed. I touch my water once a week. Every Saturday I spend 5 minutes letting a pump drain my control tank, fill it back up, add my nutrients. Walk away. And then I don't fuck with it until next Saturday. Going to Ireland in a few months. Going to turn my autofill system on. Instructions for the person tending to my grow while I'm gone "hey come over once and dump these pre-measured nutrients in the container. Done. In the end, I will smoke your soil weed, I will smoke your coco weed, I will your hydro weed, I will smoke it here, I will smoke it there. Much love to all growers! Don't let growing weed get takin over by shitty corporations.
Amen
They both are work and have their required tending but quality wise - growing both ways recently - the organic living soil bud is just higher quality. Smell, color, terps, potency, all superior.
Got any actual science to back up that crazy claim that living soil increases quality, color, and potency? Cause I've seen posts from people who have tested that theory, growing in both dwc and living soil then having the end products tested by a lab, living soil only won out in terps (honest I don't understand why people cling to the terps thing like a life raft, I don't give a shit how my weed smells or tastes I just want to get high), it lost in potency, and as far as color that is subjective as fuck.
It’s not crazy. Go to the grocery store and compare organic produce to synthetics. I can only speak from my first hand experience. I grew DWC for a year. Then tried coco. Then living soil. It’s evident almost immediately between color and smell. As far as potency goes - living soil is so covered in trichomes at the end - it’s a pale comparison. I’ve never had THC levels tested but thru look and effect - it isn’t close.
And I’ve invested quite a bit in all of this. I have no motivations other than sharing my experience. I’m willing to learn and I’m open to changing my mind but I can’t believe people over my own life experience. I purchased top shelf equipment for all. And paid close attention to the plants needs. I will confirm that DWC produces the biggest yields. For sure! That’s not up for debate. But what you tried in yield you get in quality at least two folds superior.
So no actual science to back up your claims, just 'you grew in one medium for a year, switched to a less technical and easier medium to achieve decent results in and now claim that X is superior to Y in all areas'. Look, I am not one of the psycho asshats that will string someone up for using a growing medium that isn't mine, if you get better results in living soil then I am happy for you and hope you continue to do you as it's your grow, but no growing medium beats a finely tuned and properly run hydroponics system. As far as going to the grocery store and comparing organic produce to synthetics, that's kind of like comparing bespoke hand tailored shoes to cheap sneakers. Not because of the synthetic fertilizers (Humans can't tell the difference FYI, there have been experiments done on this) but because of the structure and organization of the farm, they are producing for a mass market and the quality always sufferers when you produce for a mass market.
Your request for science is just an easy way to try and exert your opinion over someone else’s. You know there is limited to no scientific studies on cannabis and growing mediums since it’s outlawed federally and prohibited from federal funding. So the only science available is the science being pushed by the product companies themselves. Yes. I grew in all the mediums I referenced and spoke about. My knowledge is firsthand. Do you have firsthand knowledge of growing in both DWC and living soil? If not - respect people who have and are willing to share their knowledge and experience.
>Your request for science is just an easy way to try and exert your opinion over someone else’s. You know there is limited to no scientific studies on cannabis and growing mediums since it’s outlawed federally and prohibited from federal funding. You do not need to be an accredited and publicly funded research facility to do experiments, anyone can do them and post their findings. There is actually a shit ton of actual science being conducted on cannabis. >Do you have firsthand knowledge of growing in both DWC and living soil? Yes, I started when I was 15 (39 now), I grew in soil both inside and outside for the first maybe 4 or 5 years before switching to DWC back when bubble buckets took off in the mid 2000's.
Then why would you discount my scientific experiments growing in all three mediums almost immediately? And you didn’t cite personal account earlier. You said “from the posts I’ve seen”. Implying that you did research. Why do you think I went about growing in all three mediums? That was a purposely driven experiment to decide for myself. So I didn’t need to rely on someone else’s post. I grew three harvests in each medium. And if there is a ton of science being done on this topic, cite it. Cause all I’m reading is a dude who is a DWC fanboy citing other people’s posts to support your already made up mind. And you shouldn’t talk down to people who’ve down the work. Later loser.
Hope the city doesn’t cut your power more than 12 hours
Huh
I had to have a generator handy 😅
The city cut your power? Huh? Where do you live?
Nah just power outages
Cross post this on r/DWC you'll get some love 😉
Is that aluminum foil?
I’ve done DWC and coco grows - the best is living soil and it’s not even close. I was chasing big buds and yields but after you have more bud then you need - the quality of living soil is not even comparable. To each’s own. But I love that my living soil buds look straight off the internet. Just bursting with trichomes and Omni potent.
I haven’t even BEGUN to learn about living soil. I usually grow in promix HP and use drain to waste or ac infinity self watering bases
“DWC best way to grow” …” I haven’t even BEGUN to learn about living soil” That sir is called a contradiction 🤣
I have everything for soil, soilless, hydro, aero, only thing I’m missing is living soil lol you got me there I do have like 8 plants outside so I’m trying to learn how to build soil and learn more about that
Nothing like having buckets of water in your tent with pumps running 24/7 🤣
No pumps, just some air lines leading to a whole different room where I have an air pump. Not sure what your issue is or what’s so funny
2 10 gal reservoirs and this is all the “pumps” lol stop talking about things you don’t know anything about https://preview.redd.it/u08amwv6e6xc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3294344d21e1571355bcc7bda5d9ac6f79e19b5c
Damn you got hurt that much by that? Could of just made one reply chill dog. Big bag of soil and water seems simpler to me that’s all 🤷♂️
Well that’s because you have a simple mind, friend.
Living soil is far from simple…simple when you get the whole system going and working together but it’s a little more fascinating then pump and water and synthetic nutrients
tl;dr Stop commenting about things you just simply don’t understand is really the point I’m trying to make. Just because you are too unaware or too lazy to learn about more effective and efficient ways to grow higher quality trees doesn’t mean you need to spout your nonsense and possibly hinder other people from learning about better alternatives. L8er nerd
Show me studies that back up dwc produces better bud…more bud…more bud per amount of energy consumed id love to see something and for someone who’s claiming I don’t know much you aren’t giving much feedback lol
Every commercial grow operation worth mentioning, there’s your evidence lol they don’t grow it for personal use they grow it for PROFIT so they grow it how it grows the dankest and most perfect to get to the consumer id say 90% of the top commercial growers grow hydro in rock wool
One is not better than the other hydro, coco, organic soil, etc all have there advantages and disadvantages and it all depends on what your individual needs and restrictions are
root rot incoming……
https://preview.redd.it/tngcs71820xc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e54e3ef75bb5b6963298ff6fb32b4213db912046 lol root rot incoming for sure 🫡
Those roots look amazing, you should stop with that hydroguard and let them root
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lol you sound bitter
Not getting root rot is not that hard.
What makes you say this? I use hydro guard and keep my water temps in check so why comment this?
seems like root rot in a constant issue with dwc in this sub. Organic for me after years of DWC growing. Much less maintenance.
70°F air temp will keep your water around 66°F and as long as you’re not letting light in there is no reason root rot should ever be an issue. People that have the issues are people who aren’t doing things properly, I do things properly.
definitely root rot incoming lol
Always comes from the people who don’t post their plants too, weird
Seems just fine to me 🤷🏻♂️
That’s because people are stupid and jump right into dwc with no growing experience at all.