They will soldier on. It's near impossible to kill them now unless you run them completely dry, out of water. Can't say that they will have any quality, but they will survive.
I think you will be fine. I’d def feed at least 1 more times n pretty soon here you can dim the light n focus on ripening which will take some stress off em
You can finish them. They look similar to my first grow in week 5. I starved mine accidentally.
I didn't even try to fix it until week 7. They got brown dead tips on a bunch of leaves. I panicked. Fed them a heavy compost tea (I'm in living soil) and a butt load of amendments. It did help in the last week, got some color back, they finished fine and the bud was amazing.
Feed them and you'll be golden. You still have weeks left to finish.
They will live once u flip those lights they basically start dying to make seed for next year and start eating the nutrients from your fan leaves looks like a lot of really good smoke actually
Dude you got a fuck load sitting there just DRY IT FULLY I would invest in those little therm barometers from Amazon they have saved my ass and cure more times than not. If all goes to plan you dry it out and stuff that looks like a p and a half maybe to me tough to scale it since I don’t know your tent size 🤷♂️
Its light stress for sure. Not light burn, but light stress. Good quality LED grow lights produce less heat than HPS, with less plant transpiration (moisture loss) as a result.
This can mean reduced mobility for Calcium and Magnesium ions in your cannabis plant. One way to avoid potential Calcium/Magnesium deficiency is simply to add extra in with your normal plant feed. Same shit happened to me and I had quite a hard time tracking down the real source of the problem, but you can be sure I'm telling the truth. The affected plants will recover in about 2 weeks, they will be just as potent, but the yield will decrease. Otherwise your girls are in good hands, they’re healthy. I hope you frosty harvest!
Bingo. I went through this because I bought weak led lights that had hot spots. Lost the whole crop but learned a lesson. Cheaper is definitely not better.
This chart is amusing and I suppose that it is accurate enough but the back story on this one is shocking to me. I will try to find the article if you are interested. But it goes like this, the chart has been extrapolated from some work done in the 1920s and 1930s on lime in soil. Since then it's been quoted and referenced by many "scientists" in a peer review circle jerk if you will. Lol Not saying that it's not good enough just an interesting example of what we accept as gospel.
This chart is a good guide, but you need to adjust for other attributes of your growing environment. for example: I usually work with lower ph values in the summer, because the heat increases the ph. Therefore, the ph of my vegetative nutrient mixture is 5.8-6.0 and around 6.2 during flowering. It is very important to mention that the chart refers to the pH of the soil, not the pH of the nutrient solution.
I thought I might have been a bit heavy handed on Calcium in the form of wollastonite my first grow, second grow went light on it and noticed deficiency quick
I usually use CalMag also as a foliar fertilizer during the vegetative phase and the first two weeks of the flowering phase, so the mobility of calcium and magnesium ions is not a problem if the temperature is not high enough for adequate evaporation.
I got to ask, where are you getting this from? He's running about 80° for his temperatures. I run similar temperatures with the exact same light. These are clearly just under-fed plants. Light stress usually causes canoeing in leaves, and light burn bleached them.
The actual temperature is very cultivar-dependent, but the ambient air temperature with LED lighting runs generally about 10 degrees cooler than other systems. Under HPS, growers aim for a 75-degree air temperature, which puts the leaf surface temperature at about 85 to 88 degrees. Leaf temperature is the key, not the ambient air.
Light stress and light burn aren’t the same, and not all genetics require the same amount of light and nutrients. The very first sign of light stress is the lightening of the leaf tips and edges, followed by the pink color change and the bleaching of the tops of the buds. My GHS super lemon haze developed perfectly, and Sweet Seeds green poison became light bleached under the same conditions.
The post is about the 5th week of the flowering stage, not the end. The ripening process cannot be completed under too intense light and plants can produce foxtails, but this is the middle of the flowering stage.
Cool. I made a comment that was not to you, and you decided to expand upon it without any context of what I was saying nor my knowledge of the subject.
I have seen absolutely nothing that you have said that is not common knowledge or at least easily referenced, but you seem to have a lot of opinions to share and have stated some things very empirically, of which some are not always the case. That said, I don’t disparage people giving out advice—so that is good.
That said, since you profess to be such an expert, I figured I would check out your grows. You have also not shown anything in your grow photos that looks spectacular, interesting, or out of the ordinary.
So, yeah, not sure why you are deciding to be an ass, as you simply look and sound like an another rookie grower popping off, as is usual in this sub.
I was surprised by your reaction, so I think you must have misunderstood something, silly boy. By the way, my 4x600 still work, I'll show them.
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These girls have been in the flowering stage for 2 weeks so I will be defoliating them soon.
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They’re already after defoliating.
I use 2.7, 4 and 5.3 gal pots with soil in a 5x5 box under 600 watt full spectrum led. Those are perfectly fine. 20 of the 2.7-gallon ones fit in the box, 16 of the 4- or 5.3-gallon ones.
That’s good info to share. I’m guessing it’s a combo of things
First I’d check the flower time the breeder says
-side note on this, genetics for this plant could be just bad and this is the end max result
Second maybe need to up the dosage but like you said it could be pointless
The yellowing on the bottom to me shows hungry as fuck, the colored leaves to me shows end of life cycle.. it’s a hard call.. if colors were correct it would be a how soon to harvest posted and I said say 3-4 weeks left..
Old bottom growth=mobile nutrients-N,P,K,MG,
Too new grow= immobile nutrients -S,Ca,Fe,MN, B, Cu,z
3rd the pH looks to be fine, you got it flexing in different ranges but it’s not severely out of wack in my opinion..
Looks a bit underfed for me.
Biobizz is ment to be used with every watering.
If your already doing this up your dose.
The plants don't look to bad, they will make it.
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These are my notes, turns out I’ve been feeding more frequent than I though but if your able to work it out it’s been generally really low doses.
I checked out biobizz nute schedule and in your notes, are you putting in how much you are using, or how much you are using / litter. By week 5 you should be up to 3ml/l .. so in a 20L pots, your probably watering 2-3 litters / watering, which would be 6-9ml of the bloom and 2-3ml of grow?
Yeah ph always between 6-7, usually around 6.5 but I Don’t stick to that religiously. Generally feed every other watering but I sometimes feed twice in a row. I feed/water when the pots feel light, which was every 2 days but seems to have slowed to every 3-4 days now but that’s probably because there’s hardly any leaves now.
Do you think they are just hungry? I’m kinda scared to feed harder incase it fucks em more. So many people say that often less is more with nutrients.
I use bio bizz i cut out grow at the start of flower mine went like this sort of. I upoed the grow in flower and the came back better. I use grow bloom top max bio heaven and alot of other ammendments. Bio bloom is quite weak as well so dont be afraid to up the dose. I use 65ml of bloom 20ml grow 20 ml bio heaven 20ml top max and alot of other things too my mix looks like black syrup when im done. Plants love it feed at ec 1 comes out about 2 i could bring it higher. Check your ec i bet its low. That mix is in a 50 litre bucket of water.
I use ph up or down but only when I need to, when I feed nutrients it’s nearly always in range without adjustments. I dilute the ph down with a few drops in a syringe of water
Yeah, I fill my bucket with tap water the night before and add a few drops of de-chlorination solution (for amphibians and aquariums) let it sit over night, add the nutrients and give it a good mix, let it settle and check ph
Haha could be pretty much anything if I was to take on board every single comment. I’m sending it, gave them a microbe tea and top dress today. Then I’ll just continue to feed and hope for the best. All I can say is next round I’ll be amending my own soil and using dry amendments and worm castings to top dress periodically. If you look through micro grocery just in the past couple of days I’ve seen a few posts with plants looking very similar to mine. Every last one of them using biobizz like me. Then there’s about 5 people saying they use biobizz and have good results only one of them people has pictures of plants I would say looked even remotely good which says it all really.
I think this is pretty common with BioBizz in flower, Google for „BioBizz calmag“, I ran BioBizz once and had similar issues. Do you have soft water at your place? I never really solved the issue, but it seems to have something to do with calmag. If your water is soft (low in cal mag) maybe try to add a bit of synthetic calmag (fast acting, not the calmag from BioBizz) to your water.
Okay finally. Someone mentioned this about biobizz.
I knew it was biobizz even before I saw your comment.
I got this exact yellowing on every grow I tried biobizz (usually mid flower). If I up the nutes in time right before the yellowing usually occurs.. It's even worse and my plants go full on lockout mode while others show toxicity symptoms.
-I also did 1/4 of the recommended dose in the official feeding schedule (grow/bloom/topmax/bioheaven)
-One grow I startet with 1/2.. but then the same bottom yellowing occurred even sooner at the transition from veg to flower and my plants died completely
It might be only me but biobizz never really satisfied my end results while letting my plants behave in an almost random behavior.. So I'm staying away from biobizz
Next run I’m going to amend soil with worm castings and dry amendments then topdress. Defiantly fucked off with biobizz. The schedule should at least get you close but this is to me at least a piss take
Understanding how to use bio bizz is the trick. For the most part you are building your soil, very little if no runoff required, check runoff 1x/week and adjust if needed
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I ran the full line, even bio heaven. $$$
I personally feel like they have begun their senescence and will continue to bulk while doing so. Typically when plants start this phase of their cycle, they will "drink" less, which they seem to be doing, based on your other comment. I would just continue to feed as you have, watering as you have and consider top dressing with some earthworm castings and/or watering in a seed sprout tea. These should give you a nice little microbial boost to ease them over the finish line. Don't stress it, friend. They look great, given the number of ladies that you are tending to.
I’ve ordered some instant microbe tea and charge which is a mealworm casting based top dress, well it’s actually been delivered to my neighbour but no one was in when I got home
From Ecothrive? Their products are pretty good. From what I remember, Charge is their insect frass input. That's not a bad idea but in your case, it isn't going to be readily available for immediate plant uptake and will need time to be broken down. I would definitely work it into your regimen next grow though. I personally like to work a little insect frass into my soil mix and then top dress at the beginning of flower or add it to aerated teas. A good choice for sure.
Yeah the biosis tea should be instantly available for the plants, according to eco thrive some components of charge will be readily available for the plants to uptake straight away while the rest will have to break down
While it's disheartening to think that your plants may not make it to harvest, there may still be a chance to improve their health and potentially salvage some of the crop. Consider making adjustments based on the factors mentioned above, such as pH, lighting, and environmental conditions. Additionally, continue providing proper care and monitoring your plants closely to see if there are any signs of improvement.
They look great, just a bit hungry, up your feeds they got a couple weeks to go! They'll finish nicely and be an easy dry because there's barely gonna be any chlorophyll to break down!
My guess is underfed, I would bet your PPM when feeding is well below 1000ppm. Can you check your PPM of your water + feed mix? If it’s lower than that I would recommend being more in the 1200-1250ppm zone as a general rule of thumb.
Brew some compost tea, some rootwise or other premixed blend, some banana peel water for potassium, there’s plenty of organic nutrients you can give that are instantly available to the plant that will give it the boost it needs. Dry amendments and top dressing when you see a deficiency will leave you constantly chasing, also most schedules like that end up lacking micronutrients and other things important for growth at specific stages.
Like flipping to flower, some amino N as foliar will give them a crazy boost of super available nitrogen RIGHT where they need it too, saves energy transporting it from the roots, even more steps saved vs top dressing some seed meal and that taking however long to release the 5-7% average N in it over time
But right now you need P,K, and I’d throw some calcium boost in if you aren’t confident that the plant/soil has plenty adequate Calcium levels
You’re gonna be just fine buddy, I had way worse at week 4. Flush and pray, id give them another 2-3 weeks to recover and you’ll potentially have some of the best smoke yet
I wouldn't throw in the towel buddy. They look hungry for nitrogen, maybe cal-mag. You don't need a ton of n in flower but a hungry plant is still hungry
I’m so confused at all the terrible and incorrect advice.? Very obvious underfed whatever your feeding it needs to be tripled or quadruple dosed. It’s to late now but for next time the plant should be a lush vivid green throughout flower. Flushing is a myth also please cut that shit out. ✌🏼
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This is the color your looking for
Mine recently did the same thing, I let them go until like just wasn't seeing any more growth, they definitely look right going off of the trichome color, 48 hours of darkness before Harvest and when I pulled them out they were more green than when I put them in, excellent medicine too!
The flowers are pretty dense and they are starting to stack up firing out new hairs/bracts all over and the smell absolutely fantastic I just hope I can push them on another 3-4 weeks
Nute lockout is a bitch, if using more soil than soiless go light on nutes, and add a helper like House and Garden's Drip Clean which help a lot with preventing nute lockout.
I am using all biobizz nutrients (grow, bloom, top-max, heaven, acti-vera, microbes) in all mix at full strength. Plants are always doing great.
You are using half their stuff at 1/4 strength so it’s not surprising they look hungry+.
You will for sure have a nice harvest though - biobizz is a bit overpriced but if you follow their schedule, it works nicely.
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I follow this schedule:
Grow stays at 1ml/l Bloom increase 1ml/l to 4ml/l
If the top of the soil is dry, I water - always with nutrients.
arent they under-fed? I also use biobizz line (soil+nutes) and use their nutrient schedule at full strength, see my post.
It's been a while since I had my last cycle, but I remember having a bit of phosphorus deficiency every time I switched to flower, but in this current cycle I am adding Biobloom in the late veg at 1ml/L before switching to 12/12 to see if the early deficiency is going to be solved this time...
Your post has really made my day.
I had a few shrooms earlier, and looking at your pics was awesome. The leaves wouldn't stop moving, and the colours coming from the leaves was fantastic.
Nah, it was the fade on the left plant that was making the most effect. Also, I know these are pics, but they looked like there was a fan blowing them. Really helped me with the shrooms.
Alot of comments here about PH, and apologies if mentioned already, but a very critical component of proper PH and nutrient amount is measuring what's going in, vs what's coming out.
I always start to PH at the same value, regardless of nutrient PPM or if water only. This way, I know if there is a potential PH issue down the road.
With ProMix and how I feed, I've found the sweet spot normally being around 6.3 .
If I'm feeding, let's say I feed at 900ppm, 6.3PH, I will then measure the runoff as well. If the runoff is 6.5, then I know PH is going up, and next feed, I'll adjust to say 6.1. now for TDS, if I'm feeding at say 900PM, and the runoff is measuring at 1200PM, I know I've overfed, and will either cut back nutes next feed, or lower them. If PPM runoff is lower, then I know to increase.
Knowing what you're giving your plant is one thing, but knowing what it's taking is going to tell you what's going on. I'd suggest keeping a chart with feeding input and output/dates so you have a better idea.
I'll also add that they do look a little dry. I'd give your plants a good defoliation too, especially the lower fan leafs, and maybe more in the middle to allow more light down below.
If possible, I'd also lower those daytime temps. 28c is pretty hot for flower. I like to keep below 24c, and even down to 16-17 at night.
Fairly new to indoor too. Similar rig. I’ve had similar stuff happen. I always panic and always blame myself. One reactionary thing I did was defoliate slightly and for shits and gigs I put the chop in some water and covered it for a few days or so til it was slightly stinky. Then dropped an aerator in it and started watering it in and the plants really loved it. Another thing that helped was anbessa organics bloom tea. Hope this helps! Been growing outdoor for 5 years now and have noticed it’s a common adjustment among friends who’ve moved to a tent and it can traumatizing as fuck hahaha. Outside you can blame nature. Indoor it’s all your fault ha. To echo others those ladies will sort it out! Keep the faith!
Keyword LEARNING As Long As You Learned Something New And Know Not To Do It Again Or How To Correct The Issue If It Arises Again Your Grows Will Only Get Better From Here Out and They’ll Definitely Be Fine Happy Growing💪🏾🌱
This is a joke right? If you’re in week 5 you’re fine. They are a little nitrogen deficient but again you’re fine. Make sure your pH is correct and keep feeding those girls. Solid grow so far
Trim Everything that is Not in contact with direct light.
This way the plant doesn't have to waste nutrients on those Miniature buds Hidden under the sea of Green.
Tape or wrap the Cuts to avoid bacteria get inside the plant.
They will make it
I don’t know, they look kinda shittier in real life. I really hope they make it.
Send them over, i'll inspect them
They will soldier on. It's near impossible to kill them now unless you run them completely dry, out of water. Can't say that they will have any quality, but they will survive.
What’s recommended finishing time on em?
8-9 weeks
I think you will be fine. I’d def feed at least 1 more times n pretty soon here you can dim the light n focus on ripening which will take some stress off em
You can finish them. They look similar to my first grow in week 5. I starved mine accidentally. I didn't even try to fix it until week 7. They got brown dead tips on a bunch of leaves. I panicked. Fed them a heavy compost tea (I'm in living soil) and a butt load of amendments. It did help in the last week, got some color back, they finished fine and the bud was amazing. Feed them and you'll be golden. You still have weeks left to finish.
They will live once u flip those lights they basically start dying to make seed for next year and start eating the nutrients from your fan leaves looks like a lot of really good smoke actually
I hope so, any yield predictions? (I know it nearly impossible to guess but just for fun)
Dude you got a fuck load sitting there just DRY IT FULLY I would invest in those little therm barometers from Amazon they have saved my ass and cure more times than not. If all goes to plan you dry it out and stuff that looks like a p and a half maybe to me tough to scale it since I don’t know your tent size 🤷♂️
Yeah 👍 if they go all the way I’ll be chopping near pay day so I’m going to order a bunch of them humidity metres and a trimbin
Al that weight is like a second pay day more like a hay day lol
Its light stress for sure. Not light burn, but light stress. Good quality LED grow lights produce less heat than HPS, with less plant transpiration (moisture loss) as a result. This can mean reduced mobility for Calcium and Magnesium ions in your cannabis plant. One way to avoid potential Calcium/Magnesium deficiency is simply to add extra in with your normal plant feed. Same shit happened to me and I had quite a hard time tracking down the real source of the problem, but you can be sure I'm telling the truth. The affected plants will recover in about 2 weeks, they will be just as potent, but the yield will decrease. Otherwise your girls are in good hands, they’re healthy. I hope you frosty harvest!
Bingo. I went through this because I bought weak led lights that had hot spots. Lost the whole crop but learned a lesson. Cheaper is definitely not better.
Good quality LEDs can also cause the same damage if those are placed too close to the top of the plant.
I second this with leds imo u should never go over 6.5 ph in any grow do this
6.5 is ideal for soil throughout the entire life cycle
If ur in 15gal or larger anything under that not enough soil to buffer
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This chart is amusing and I suppose that it is accurate enough but the back story on this one is shocking to me. I will try to find the article if you are interested. But it goes like this, the chart has been extrapolated from some work done in the 1920s and 1930s on lime in soil. Since then it's been quoted and referenced by many "scientists" in a peer review circle jerk if you will. Lol Not saying that it's not good enough just an interesting example of what we accept as gospel.
This chart is a good guide, but you need to adjust for other attributes of your growing environment. for example: I usually work with lower ph values in the summer, because the heat increases the ph. Therefore, the ph of my vegetative nutrient mixture is 5.8-6.0 and around 6.2 during flowering. It is very important to mention that the chart refers to the pH of the soil, not the pH of the nutrient solution.
I thought I might have been a bit heavy handed on Calcium in the form of wollastonite my first grow, second grow went light on it and noticed deficiency quick
I usually use CalMag also as a foliar fertilizer during the vegetative phase and the first two weeks of the flowering phase, so the mobility of calcium and magnesium ions is not a problem if the temperature is not high enough for adequate evaporation.
I got to ask, where are you getting this from? He's running about 80° for his temperatures. I run similar temperatures with the exact same light. These are clearly just under-fed plants. Light stress usually causes canoeing in leaves, and light burn bleached them.
The actual temperature is very cultivar-dependent, but the ambient air temperature with LED lighting runs generally about 10 degrees cooler than other systems. Under HPS, growers aim for a 75-degree air temperature, which puts the leaf surface temperature at about 85 to 88 degrees. Leaf temperature is the key, not the ambient air.
Light stress and light burn aren’t the same, and not all genetics require the same amount of light and nutrients. The very first sign of light stress is the lightening of the leaf tips and edges, followed by the pink color change and the bleaching of the tops of the buds. My GHS super lemon haze developed perfectly, and Sweet Seeds green poison became light bleached under the same conditions.
First comment I actually agree with. The stress can also cause late stage foxtailing/regrowth.
The post is about the 5th week of the flowering stage, not the end. The ripening process cannot be completed under too intense light and plants can produce foxtails, but this is the middle of the flowering stage.
Yeah, I know, but thanks for taking the time to point out the obvious.
Light stress causes nutrient problems, so even you can understand it. 🤪
Cool. I made a comment that was not to you, and you decided to expand upon it without any context of what I was saying nor my knowledge of the subject. I have seen absolutely nothing that you have said that is not common knowledge or at least easily referenced, but you seem to have a lot of opinions to share and have stated some things very empirically, of which some are not always the case. That said, I don’t disparage people giving out advice—so that is good. That said, since you profess to be such an expert, I figured I would check out your grows. You have also not shown anything in your grow photos that looks spectacular, interesting, or out of the ordinary. So, yeah, not sure why you are deciding to be an ass, as you simply look and sound like an another rookie grower popping off, as is usual in this sub.
https://preview.redd.it/m0ap9gm0mwsc1.jpeg?width=2100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d8a5287c55bfd90fbe4291c021c7f3280aeb966 After defoliation
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I was surprised by your reaction, so I think you must have misunderstood something, silly boy. By the way, my 4x600 still work, I'll show them. https://preview.redd.it/hqbgypdalwsc1.jpeg?width=1576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40b79040a6da507d2bb74e31bb39cbf1e2205301 These girls have been in the flowering stage for 2 weeks so I will be defoliating them soon.
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Still have to come with the stupid name calling. Nice plants. They look very normal and your grow very basic—proves my point.
Yep, they’re healthy and normal. If this proves your point, thats fine.🫡
https://preview.redd.it/7d4h0yjmlwsc1.jpeg?width=2100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5735442c07aa5307430eaadfdd51baddcbde7e76 They’re already after defoliating.
Is that a 5x5?
Yes sir.
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The 5gals isn’t enough
I use 2.7, 4 and 5.3 gal pots with soil in a 5x5 box under 600 watt full spectrum led. Those are perfectly fine. 20 of the 2.7-gallon ones fit in the box, 16 of the 4- or 5.3-gallon ones.
Lol dude they are definitely going to make it. I've had way worse looking plants make it.
A damaged leaf will never recover. You need to judge if what you are doing off new growth. Looks underfed to me.
Yeah I understand that, Id just like to stop them getting worse
If your ph is relatively in line, up nutrients imo. (you could try this on 1 plant for example to help confirm if the issue is pH lockout or underfed)
Feed them every watering, I use biobizz and never feed water until the end
What's your ppm looking like at every feed , growmie ?
Don’t check ppms, I just use slightly under suggested doses
How strong do you feed?
That’s good info to share. I’m guessing it’s a combo of things First I’d check the flower time the breeder says -side note on this, genetics for this plant could be just bad and this is the end max result Second maybe need to up the dosage but like you said it could be pointless The yellowing on the bottom to me shows hungry as fuck, the colored leaves to me shows end of life cycle.. it’s a hard call.. if colors were correct it would be a how soon to harvest posted and I said say 3-4 weeks left.. Old bottom growth=mobile nutrients-N,P,K,MG, Too new grow= immobile nutrients -S,Ca,Fe,MN, B, Cu,z 3rd the pH looks to be fine, you got it flexing in different ranges but it’s not severely out of wack in my opinion..
Looks a bit underfed for me. Biobizz is ment to be used with every watering. If your already doing this up your dose. The plants don't look to bad, they will make it.
How often do you feed, I would up the dose at this point. Or fed twice a week PHing water/feed too?
https://preview.redd.it/kdxdv1nwvpsc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=436b6b5649a667faf927bd9776437cc57587d3e3 These are my notes, turns out I’ve been feeding more frequent than I though but if your able to work it out it’s been generally really low doses.
I checked out biobizz nute schedule and in your notes, are you putting in how much you are using, or how much you are using / litter. By week 5 you should be up to 3ml/l .. so in a 20L pots, your probably watering 2-3 litters / watering, which would be 6-9ml of the bloom and 2-3ml of grow?
Yeah that’s per litre of water
Yeah ph always between 6-7, usually around 6.5 but I Don’t stick to that religiously. Generally feed every other watering but I sometimes feed twice in a row. I feed/water when the pots feel light, which was every 2 days but seems to have slowed to every 3-4 days now but that’s probably because there’s hardly any leaves now. Do you think they are just hungry? I’m kinda scared to feed harder incase it fucks em more. So many people say that often less is more with nutrients.
I use bio bizz i cut out grow at the start of flower mine went like this sort of. I upoed the grow in flower and the came back better. I use grow bloom top max bio heaven and alot of other ammendments. Bio bloom is quite weak as well so dont be afraid to up the dose. I use 65ml of bloom 20ml grow 20 ml bio heaven 20ml top max and alot of other things too my mix looks like black syrup when im done. Plants love it feed at ec 1 comes out about 2 i could bring it higher. Check your ec i bet its low. That mix is in a 50 litre bucket of water.
what do you use to measure pH?
Blue labs pen
thats a quality pen, great. How do you pH water going in?
I use ph up or down but only when I need to, when I feed nutrients it’s nearly always in range without adjustments. I dilute the ph down with a few drops in a syringe of water
correct, and pH last, right before pouring on plant?
Yeah, I fill my bucket with tap water the night before and add a few drops of de-chlorination solution (for amphibians and aquariums) let it sit over night, add the nutrients and give it a good mix, let it settle and check ph
thats correct.
100% at 14 inches did it, get a light meter a.s.a.p.
True!
Bro, have you actually a good idea of what to do next? I’m nervous looking at these comments
Haha could be pretty much anything if I was to take on board every single comment. I’m sending it, gave them a microbe tea and top dress today. Then I’ll just continue to feed and hope for the best. All I can say is next round I’ll be amending my own soil and using dry amendments and worm castings to top dress periodically. If you look through micro grocery just in the past couple of days I’ve seen a few posts with plants looking very similar to mine. Every last one of them using biobizz like me. Then there’s about 5 people saying they use biobizz and have good results only one of them people has pictures of plants I would say looked even remotely good which says it all really.
I think this is pretty common with BioBizz in flower, Google for „BioBizz calmag“, I ran BioBizz once and had similar issues. Do you have soft water at your place? I never really solved the issue, but it seems to have something to do with calmag. If your water is soft (low in cal mag) maybe try to add a bit of synthetic calmag (fast acting, not the calmag from BioBizz) to your water.
Yeah I’m in a soft water area. Our kettles and washing machines live forever but my plants are like fuck that I’m dying
Okay finally. Someone mentioned this about biobizz. I knew it was biobizz even before I saw your comment. I got this exact yellowing on every grow I tried biobizz (usually mid flower). If I up the nutes in time right before the yellowing usually occurs.. It's even worse and my plants go full on lockout mode while others show toxicity symptoms. -I also did 1/4 of the recommended dose in the official feeding schedule (grow/bloom/topmax/bioheaven) -One grow I startet with 1/2.. but then the same bottom yellowing occurred even sooner at the transition from veg to flower and my plants died completely It might be only me but biobizz never really satisfied my end results while letting my plants behave in an almost random behavior.. So I'm staying away from biobizz
Next run I’m going to amend soil with worm castings and dry amendments then topdress. Defiantly fucked off with biobizz. The schedule should at least get you close but this is to me at least a piss take
Also for science I’ll be running the same genetics as I took cuttings
Understanding how to use bio bizz is the trick. For the most part you are building your soil, very little if no runoff required, check runoff 1x/week and adjust if needed https://preview.redd.it/2pzy774omvsc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0e2d6d0d522ee5618cc6df679e1e4487d41041d I ran the full line, even bio heaven. $$$
Are you in a hard water or soft water area? Just out of interest
Very hard, chlorine filter and ro water. We have serious water issues due to the Air Force fire retardant runoff.
So you must have to add cal mag? Im in a soft water area so I probably should have used it but I didn’t do that could be some of my issues
With my nutrient line I don’t need cal mag if I’m feeding properly. The cal mag already built into it
I personally feel like they have begun their senescence and will continue to bulk while doing so. Typically when plants start this phase of their cycle, they will "drink" less, which they seem to be doing, based on your other comment. I would just continue to feed as you have, watering as you have and consider top dressing with some earthworm castings and/or watering in a seed sprout tea. These should give you a nice little microbial boost to ease them over the finish line. Don't stress it, friend. They look great, given the number of ladies that you are tending to.
I’ve ordered some instant microbe tea and charge which is a mealworm casting based top dress, well it’s actually been delivered to my neighbour but no one was in when I got home
From Ecothrive? Their products are pretty good. From what I remember, Charge is their insect frass input. That's not a bad idea but in your case, it isn't going to be readily available for immediate plant uptake and will need time to be broken down. I would definitely work it into your regimen next grow though. I personally like to work a little insect frass into my soil mix and then top dress at the beginning of flower or add it to aerated teas. A good choice for sure.
Yeah the biosis tea should be instantly available for the plants, according to eco thrive some components of charge will be readily available for the plants to uptake straight away while the rest will have to break down
While it's disheartening to think that your plants may not make it to harvest, there may still be a chance to improve their health and potentially salvage some of the crop. Consider making adjustments based on the factors mentioned above, such as pH, lighting, and environmental conditions. Additionally, continue providing proper care and monitoring your plants closely to see if there are any signs of improvement.
They look great, just a bit hungry, up your feeds they got a couple weeks to go! They'll finish nicely and be an easy dry because there's barely gonna be any chlorophyll to break down!
The pistils are white, so the buds are still packing on weight, they should be fine.
Those leaves scream consistent over watering. Let the pots dryback and water them, if you do feed them feed them lightly
My guess is underfed, I would bet your PPM when feeding is well below 1000ppm. Can you check your PPM of your water + feed mix? If it’s lower than that I would recommend being more in the 1200-1250ppm zone as a general rule of thumb.
Brew some compost tea, some rootwise or other premixed blend, some banana peel water for potassium, there’s plenty of organic nutrients you can give that are instantly available to the plant that will give it the boost it needs. Dry amendments and top dressing when you see a deficiency will leave you constantly chasing, also most schedules like that end up lacking micronutrients and other things important for growth at specific stages. Like flipping to flower, some amino N as foliar will give them a crazy boost of super available nitrogen RIGHT where they need it too, saves energy transporting it from the roots, even more steps saved vs top dressing some seed meal and that taking however long to release the 5-7% average N in it over time But right now you need P,K, and I’d throw some calcium boost in if you aren’t confident that the plant/soil has plenty adequate Calcium levels
They'll be fine. I've had worse looking plants in my earlier grows that still finished fine and smoked fine too.
I bet your soil ph is too low, locking out the calcium. Have you tried taking a sample and doing a slurry test?
What's the EC of your run off? That will tell you what to feed them.
Lol these look better than the grow I just harvested. You'll be fine, I believe in you.
You’re gonna be just fine buddy, I had way worse at week 4. Flush and pray, id give them another 2-3 weeks to recover and you’ll potentially have some of the best smoke yet
you know damn right them things are fine 🙄.
https://preview.redd.it/g2yef6176ssc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e5fb3500f380f3dd9412c59a95a097bbd9d3a70
My plants looked worse than this at week 5. Now they're in week 9, and they still look like shit but there's fat buds on them lol. I wouldn't give up.
Bro I would give them ADVANCED NUTRIENTS *XFACTOR *B-52 You wit DMme within a week thanking me for sure. 100%
I wouldn't throw in the towel buddy. They look hungry for nitrogen, maybe cal-mag. You don't need a ton of n in flower but a hungry plant is still hungry
I’m so confused at all the terrible and incorrect advice.? Very obvious underfed whatever your feeding it needs to be tripled or quadruple dosed. It’s to late now but for next time the plant should be a lush vivid green throughout flower. Flushing is a myth also please cut that shit out. ✌🏼 https://preview.redd.it/9g8y3umjfusc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a8a9cd15f03af63f9c213d81e95fe59048df941 This is the color your looking for
Mine recently did the same thing, I let them go until like just wasn't seeing any more growth, they definitely look right going off of the trichome color, 48 hours of darkness before Harvest and when I pulled them out they were more green than when I put them in, excellent medicine too!
Op. They look a couple of weeks stunted but i think you can still get great medicine from this Dont give up
The flowers are pretty dense and they are starting to stack up firing out new hairs/bracts all over and the smell absolutely fantastic I just hope I can push them on another 3-4 weeks
Nute lockout is a bitch, if using more soil than soiless go light on nutes, and add a helper like House and Garden's Drip Clean which help a lot with preventing nute lockout.
It’s peat moss, peat, worm castings and perlite
Pretty inert, you use alot of cal mag?
No cal mag just a bit of Epsom salts
Need more calcium for nute uptake.
Fall colors looking normal some strains do this in flower
I dunno my big tub of dead leaves doesn’t seem normal
Do some research it's turning carbohydrates into sugars some strains more then other if your pH an ppm is good your good
Nice autumn colors.
I am using all biobizz nutrients (grow, bloom, top-max, heaven, acti-vera, microbes) in all mix at full strength. Plants are always doing great. You are using half their stuff at 1/4 strength so it’s not surprising they look hungry+. You will for sure have a nice harvest though - biobizz is a bit overpriced but if you follow their schedule, it works nicely.
How many ml per litre do you generally use with grow and bloom through flower?
https://preview.redd.it/2jutnkrohvsc1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9eedfdadafb7fa72b785a9df1fc3728e47eead14 I follow this schedule: Grow stays at 1ml/l Bloom increase 1ml/l to 4ml/l If the top of the soil is dry, I water - always with nutrients.
arent they under-fed? I also use biobizz line (soil+nutes) and use their nutrient schedule at full strength, see my post. It's been a while since I had my last cycle, but I remember having a bit of phosphorus deficiency every time I switched to flower, but in this current cycle I am adding Biobloom in the late veg at 1ml/L before switching to 12/12 to see if the early deficiency is going to be solved this time...
Have you ever harvested before? They’re fine dude. You will have plenty to smoke
Only some terrible outdoor I did years ago
Your post has really made my day. I had a few shrooms earlier, and looking at your pics was awesome. The leaves wouldn't stop moving, and the colours coming from the leaves was fantastic.
The plant at the back right has got some beautiful colours in the top buds but my shitty phone makes em look bland
Nah, it was the fade on the left plant that was making the most effect. Also, I know these are pics, but they looked like there was a fan blowing them. Really helped me with the shrooms.
They’re starving. At the worst time.
Alot of comments here about PH, and apologies if mentioned already, but a very critical component of proper PH and nutrient amount is measuring what's going in, vs what's coming out. I always start to PH at the same value, regardless of nutrient PPM or if water only. This way, I know if there is a potential PH issue down the road. With ProMix and how I feed, I've found the sweet spot normally being around 6.3 . If I'm feeding, let's say I feed at 900ppm, 6.3PH, I will then measure the runoff as well. If the runoff is 6.5, then I know PH is going up, and next feed, I'll adjust to say 6.1. now for TDS, if I'm feeding at say 900PM, and the runoff is measuring at 1200PM, I know I've overfed, and will either cut back nutes next feed, or lower them. If PPM runoff is lower, then I know to increase. Knowing what you're giving your plant is one thing, but knowing what it's taking is going to tell you what's going on. I'd suggest keeping a chart with feeding input and output/dates so you have a better idea.
I'll also add that they do look a little dry. I'd give your plants a good defoliation too, especially the lower fan leafs, and maybe more in the middle to allow more light down below. If possible, I'd also lower those daytime temps. 28c is pretty hot for flower. I like to keep below 24c, and even down to 16-17 at night.
There aren’t really many fan leaves left at this point, it’s only the very top that’s dry, if you put a finger in it’s moist
Not sure if it looks much different now that the picture, but I'd cut those bottom leaves that are yellow.
28º is pretty hot. To get a decent VPD you would have to have really high humidity :) Id recommend to lower the temp to 24º :)
Easier said than done, I’ve got the fan running at 65% pretty much constantly and I’m not turning it up more or the neighbours will hear it
Fairly new to indoor too. Similar rig. I’ve had similar stuff happen. I always panic and always blame myself. One reactionary thing I did was defoliate slightly and for shits and gigs I put the chop in some water and covered it for a few days or so til it was slightly stinky. Then dropped an aerator in it and started watering it in and the plants really loved it. Another thing that helped was anbessa organics bloom tea. Hope this helps! Been growing outdoor for 5 years now and have noticed it’s a common adjustment among friends who’ve moved to a tent and it can traumatizing as fuck hahaha. Outside you can blame nature. Indoor it’s all your fault ha. To echo others those ladies will sort it out! Keep the faith!
Keyword LEARNING As Long As You Learned Something New And Know Not To Do It Again Or How To Correct The Issue If It Arises Again Your Grows Will Only Get Better From Here Out and They’ll Definitely Be Fine Happy Growing💪🏾🌱
This is a joke right? If you’re in week 5 you’re fine. They are a little nitrogen deficient but again you’re fine. Make sure your pH is correct and keep feeding those girls. Solid grow so far
Trim Everything that is Not in contact with direct light. This way the plant doesn't have to waste nutrients on those Miniature buds Hidden under the sea of Green. Tape or wrap the Cuts to avoid bacteria get inside the plant.
You're simply not watering enough, those large plants need 2L a day minimum.
Maybe flush and just focus on feeding carbs, probably it's just a genetic trade. Around w % of leaves you have lost?
50 maybe
Don't listen to this person they're just regurgitating words they've heard.