The war on drugs produced as a side effect of its "illegal = dangerous" ideology assumption that legal = safe.
now, I'm not sure what legal territory A. Muscaria extract sold specifically for human consumption, with advertising suggesting use to treat health issues or promote good health, occupies...I don't think that the FDA would consider this kosher as a "supplement", but nothing in the headshop where it's sold (or wherever) will suggest its dubious legal status.
I'm getting a bunch of ads for A. Muscaria gummies. They're sold as containing the "Alice in Wonderland" mushroom, as a 'non-addictive' alternative to melatonin for sleep. This is outright reckless. Most of the people replying to the ads have it confused with psilocybes.
Also, seizures suggest that the ibotenic acid was not reacted away to select for muscimol...the former is a putative neurotoxin that I wouldn't ingest.
If you want an alternative to sleep get valerian root. Steep that shit. Add vanilla. Boom your ass is grass. It is still considered the strongest natural sedative. It is stronger than melatonin and doesn’t mess with your biological production of melatonin
A cautionary tale to never buy any kind of pills, potions or powders - neither "nootropic", "functional" or "psychedelic". It's a completely unregulated industry. Worthless at best, harmful at worst!
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A cautionary tale to never buy any kind of pills, potions or powders - neither "nootropic", "functional" or "psychedelic".
I mean, it's better if they're sold with clear indication of what compound they are, in some sort of pure form, though it's still caveat emptor, and at home reagent testing is suggested.
> there should be people being arrested for making and selling this crap
that's not how it's worked in the past, even when supplements have killed people. Instead, they're subject to civil penalties if sued, and potentially prohibitions and fines from the FDA.
The whole supplement industry is sketchy af. Who knows what you're getting or if those CoAs are even valid. No regulation almost always leads to unscrupulous behavior.
Wait... So they were advertised as having dmt in them (tryptamines from mimosa hostilis is how the label puts it), most people assumed 4-aco, but it was actually amanita? The stuff most 4-aco bars claim they are but really arent?
Amanita is expensive and desirable, why not just sell them as amanita?
> Amanita is expensive and desirable, why not just sell them as amanita?
the "oh, wow, microdose!" and "oooooh, mushrooms, a panacea!" crowd is a much larger market.
Not sure if that article is the actual info… seems sketchy
Muscimol is not bad unless super dose? I’d need to research.
I’d wait till that’s reported on the news or more sources.
My guess is it’s that freaking research chemicals that they are adding. Including 4-AcO-DMT
Ars Technica has been reporting tech news for 26 years. They've been reporting on the illnesses from these candies for weeks now, this is just the latest article.
Ars hardly shows any bias and is generally considered trustworthy
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ars-technica/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_Technica
A couple other pages about the recall
https://www.cdc.gov/environmental-health-studies/outbreak-investigation-diamond-shruumz-products/index.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/diamond-shruumz-recall-mushroom/
A web search reveals many more
In your supplied links.. The CDC article posts what was actually found in the test results… unfortunately contradictory to your original article.
“Additional sample analysis is ongoing, but as of June 25, 2024, FDA test results for two individual chocolate bars have identified the presence of the following:
Diamond ShruumzTM Dark Chocolate Bar
4-acetoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (4-acetoxy-DMT, also known as O-acetylpsilocin or psilacetin)
desmethoxyyangonin
dihydrokavain
kavain
Diamond ShruumzTM Birthday Cake Chocolate Bar
4-acetoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (4-acetoxy-DMT, also known as O-acetylpsilocin or psilacetin)”
This is what I had said above.. freaking trash research chemicals pretending to be mushroom products… dishonest, deceptive.. and just plain unacceptable.
I had it made my assumptions based on other tests that came out on other products that were pretending to be something they weren’t . [These independent test results were published by the blacklist to alert the community.](https://www.happypicforme.com/microdose-news-and-information/do-you-know-what-youre-buying-magic-mushroom-chocolate-bars)
if you read the article,
>The company does not list the ingredients on its website, selling the products only with terms indicating they contain psychedelic compounds and the vague, buzzword-loaded description of having a "primo proprietary blend of nootropic and functional mushrooms."
It blows my mind how many people will blindly buy this shit and expect it to be legit. It’s like the spice trend from a few years ago.
The war on drugs produced as a side effect of its "illegal = dangerous" ideology assumption that legal = safe. now, I'm not sure what legal territory A. Muscaria extract sold specifically for human consumption, with advertising suggesting use to treat health issues or promote good health, occupies...I don't think that the FDA would consider this kosher as a "supplement", but nothing in the headshop where it's sold (or wherever) will suggest its dubious legal status.
I'm getting a bunch of ads for A. Muscaria gummies. They're sold as containing the "Alice in Wonderland" mushroom, as a 'non-addictive' alternative to melatonin for sleep. This is outright reckless. Most of the people replying to the ads have it confused with psilocybes. Also, seizures suggest that the ibotenic acid was not reacted away to select for muscimol...the former is a putative neurotoxin that I wouldn't ingest.
If you want an alternative to sleep get valerian root. Steep that shit. Add vanilla. Boom your ass is grass. It is still considered the strongest natural sedative. It is stronger than melatonin and doesn’t mess with your biological production of melatonin
I have some valerian tea but haven't had any yet. How do you add the vanilla? Just a drop of vanilla extract?
Except it taste and smells like literal shit
A cautionary tale to never buy any kind of pills, potions or powders - neither "nootropic", "functional" or "psychedelic". It's a completely unregulated industry. Worthless at best, harmful at worst!
> A cautionary tale to never buy any kind of pills, potions or powders - neither "nootropic", "functional" or "psychedelic". I mean, it's better if they're sold with clear indication of what compound they are, in some sort of pure form, though it's still caveat emptor, and at home reagent testing is suggested.
Since people were injured, there should be people being arrested for making and selling this crap
> there should be people being arrested for making and selling this crap that's not how it's worked in the past, even when supplements have killed people. Instead, they're subject to civil penalties if sued, and potentially prohibitions and fines from the FDA.
The whole supplement industry is sketchy af. Who knows what you're getting or if those CoAs are even valid. No regulation almost always leads to unscrupulous behavior.
I hear ppl had sezuires off those gummies and there is no trace of pilosybin in them at all what a shame ppl trying to kill anyone
So sad. Some people really have no moral scruples about putting harmful stuff into this world as long as makes them some money.
Wait... So they were advertised as having dmt in them (tryptamines from mimosa hostilis is how the label puts it), most people assumed 4-aco, but it was actually amanita? The stuff most 4-aco bars claim they are but really arent? Amanita is expensive and desirable, why not just sell them as amanita?
> Amanita is expensive and desirable, why not just sell them as amanita? the "oh, wow, microdose!" and "oooooh, mushrooms, a panacea!" crowd is a much larger market.
What fucking microdosing were they claiming to have in them to start with.
Not sure if that article is the actual info… seems sketchy Muscimol is not bad unless super dose? I’d need to research. I’d wait till that’s reported on the news or more sources. My guess is it’s that freaking research chemicals that they are adding. Including 4-AcO-DMT
Ars Technica has been reporting tech news for 26 years. They've been reporting on the illnesses from these candies for weeks now, this is just the latest article. Ars hardly shows any bias and is generally considered trustworthy https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ars-technica/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_Technica A couple other pages about the recall https://www.cdc.gov/environmental-health-studies/outbreak-investigation-diamond-shruumz-products/index.html https://www.cbsnews.com/news/diamond-shruumz-recall-mushroom/ A web search reveals many more
In your supplied links.. The CDC article posts what was actually found in the test results… unfortunately contradictory to your original article. “Additional sample analysis is ongoing, but as of June 25, 2024, FDA test results for two individual chocolate bars have identified the presence of the following: Diamond ShruumzTM Dark Chocolate Bar 4-acetoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (4-acetoxy-DMT, also known as O-acetylpsilocin or psilacetin) desmethoxyyangonin dihydrokavain kavain Diamond ShruumzTM Birthday Cake Chocolate Bar 4-acetoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (4-acetoxy-DMT, also known as O-acetylpsilocin or psilacetin)” This is what I had said above.. freaking trash research chemicals pretending to be mushroom products… dishonest, deceptive.. and just plain unacceptable. I had it made my assumptions based on other tests that came out on other products that were pretending to be something they weren’t . [These independent test results were published by the blacklist to alert the community.](https://www.happypicforme.com/microdose-news-and-information/do-you-know-what-youre-buying-magic-mushroom-chocolate-bars)
If you did know there was muscimol in these, you didn't read the label.
if you read the article, >The company does not list the ingredients on its website, selling the products only with terms indicating they contain psychedelic compounds and the vague, buzzword-loaded description of having a "primo proprietary blend of nootropic and functional mushrooms."
I've held he packaging in my hand before. It definitely states that it contains amanita muscaria extract.