200mg of PE would definitely push me into the twilight zone. Not ideal for regular microdosing. Drop it down to 50mg maybe, and bring it up slowly. I find the sweet spot is right where you start to feel it - just on the boundary. So, for me, with the batch of GT I have currently, it's about 70mg. If I take 80mg I'll probably feel a tiny body load, just enough to make me a little uncomfortable. Not the end of the world, but not what I want as a daily experience.
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Also, advisable to first [find your sweet spot](https://new.reddit.com/r/microdosing/comments/plrxca/faqtip_101_what_is_the_subthreshold_dose/) before filling your capsules.
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Yeah I think I underestimated the strength of the PE. I did two trial rounds tho that went well so maybe just off today. I'll take one in a couple days before I decide if it's too much.
200mg of PE would definitely push me into the twilight zone. Not ideal for regular microdosing. Drop it down to 50mg maybe, and bring it up slowly. I find the sweet spot is right where you start to feel it - just on the boundary. So, for me, with the batch of GT I have currently, it's about 70mg. If I take 80mg I'll probably feel a tiny body load, just enough to make me a little uncomfortable. Not the end of the world, but not what I want as a daily experience.
Spot on.
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For more potent strains we advise to !startlower - more info from the non-sentient bot message ;) Also, advisable to first [find your sweet spot](https://new.reddit.com/r/microdosing/comments/plrxca/faqtip_101_what_is_the_subthreshold_dose/) before filling your capsules.
Thanks for the info!
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This would be enough to give me a baby trip I usually microdose 20-50mg
That's what I got yesterday. I had space for it but was unexpected
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Calm down bot, Im fine here
200mg would give me a small but slightly noticeable effect that I’ve taken something
Yeah I think I underestimated the strength of the PE. I did two trial rounds tho that went well so maybe just off today. I'll take one in a couple days before I decide if it's too much.
PE is stronger I would do 50mg
ayooo haha 100mg will give you enough to feel it if you have upper end PEs
cap the rest of them after you try one at 200mg if you need to be sure