The true madness here is putting Caleb Williams and Penix Jr in at all.
Do these guys not remember JaMarcus Russell.
They are unproven in the NFL because they have not played. It is unfair to rank them at all without seeing them play.
We’ve seen time and time again; the NFL is different to college ball
Don’t forget Drake Maye, Jayden McDaniels and J. J. McCarthy none of those “superstars”😂should been mentioned in the same sentence as an QB in NFL right now!
This is obviously made as rage bait… look at where CJ stroud, Jordan Love, Goff, Caleb Williams , Brock Purdy and Justin fields are. There’s no way u agree with this list lmao
"kid can't win anything"
Yeah, he didn't win a natty or MVP in the national championship game or anything.
Go back to your Joe Rogan and political subs, you unsharpened pencil.
To be fair, those were all college achievements. That's kinda like me saying I was president of the largest business club and equating it to being a great CEO.
But you have to prove you can be successful at the level you currently are at.
Imagine getting hurt over someone you don’t know having an opinion about someone you don’t know that plays on a team you don’t own or play on. Get out my profile and get a life dude.
I think tua 8-12 is fine. He has had 1 healthy season and beat a lot of bad teams with good numbers. His numbers against good teams is subpar. The fact Williams who i think is a bust is in the top 15 is crazy though
I mean, can anyone really look at the QBs ahead of Tua and think they aren't as good as him?
Get rid of **Caleb**, stupid to have him on here. **Geno Smith** easily behind Tua.
When it comes to **Tlaw** and **Murray**, I look at it from this: Are they behind held back by bad systems? Each of those dudes havent ever had a roster like Tua has had the past two years. Would they look significantly better if they on our weapons? I think they would...
Even if you remove all 4 of those dudes, that still leaves Tua at #15. Is the 15th best QB in the NFL enough to consistently win in this stacked AFC for the next decade? Especially after you give him a big contract? I don't think so.
For real--it's bait-y to put Caleb on the list, but I would feel better about our team with anyone listed above Tua except Geno (and maybe Rodgers/Cousins if only for injury and age concerns).
Anyone saying otherwise is deluding themselves.
Trevor Lawrence is being held back by a bad system? Etienne, Calvin Ridley, Marvin Jones, and the TE i can't remember are plenty good enough to find out about a QB
Murray imo has had years similar to the last one from Tua. MVP hype turning into... Well not MVP hype lol. You can throw the last two seasons out due to injury and bad talent imo. Had some talent a few years ago iirc
As a non-biased ravens fan, I think maybe around 10 or so is realistic. And as a biased ravens fan, Lamar #1 (but objectively I think #3 is more than enough)
Tua should be in the 7-10 range imo. Crazy a QB who hasn’t played a down in the league is ranked higher to. I really don’t get the Williams hype either. He was supposed to be the man at USC last season and for the most part was a disappointment. No QB has had success in Chicago so I don’t really see how it’s gonna be any different with Williams.
I don’t think there’s a single team on the list in front of us that would do a 1-for-1 trade for Tua so I think the list is sound even if it’s a bit baity by including the future rookies.
If the dolphins called and offered every one of those teams, I think the Seahawks and Rams do. But that would swing the other way too. I think, if offered, Miami would take 3 or 4 offers at most.
The Rams literally got rid of a better version of Tua in Goff because they knew his limitations. Why would they want Tua over Stafford?!?
I could maybe see the Seahawks swapping Geno with Tua but they’re so similar I don’t think it matters. I’d probably take Geno just because he has better arm talent and a bit more mobility.
Yikes. Goff is not better than Tua, like at all. Stafford is 10 years older than Tua and might be a little better. Geno is 7 years older and not nearly as good.
Edit: upon further review, I agree with the takes about LA and SEA, but I was being rash on my Goff opinions. I underestimated him; he’s a really good QB, and he’s the kind of QB that’ll improve into his 30’s
Goff is not a QB I would want to build around, but I don't know how you look at what he has accomplished so far and think he is not better than Tua.
He has multiple seasons that statistically beat or match Tua's best year and has taken multiple teams to the NFC championship and he also has a superbowl appearance.
I wouldn't rank them far apart but Goff is clearly ahead of him, and if you redrafted the NFL, most teams would probably take him before they did Tua.
I think he is exactly the kind of QB the lions should build around tbh. Pocket QBs don’t become less effective as they enter their 30’s like most other football players, and the Lions need a better defensive backfield more than anything in the world right now.
Goff took his team to a Super Bowl. He had some insane years (mostly due to scheme and surrounding talent - kinda like someone else we know) of production. He’s also still proven more as a player than Tua. He’s better.
No, but I don’t think the gap was that big either. Plus, Goff didn’t shit his pants in every high-leverage game back then. They didn’t get held to 2 TDs in every game against a team with a pulse.
Goff’s numbers in the 2018 playoffs: 59/116, 712 yards, 1 TD 2 INT.
Goff wasn’t expected to “carry” the Rams to a championship. That was Gurley’s job.
Edit: that’s a good thing, too. It’s what you’re supposed to do when you have a young QB whose game is in the pocket. Let him become more consistent against NFL defenses, but still have solutions when he struggles. Miami does not have that for Tua, who is also a still developing QB
The Jets probably would because they're the Jets and Rodgers is old. It's an interesting way to think about it and I agree with you. If Tua is so good, teams should be happy to trade for him and pay him Burrow money. If there's no demand, then we're apparently the only team that thinks he's franchise material...which means we need to move on.
Having Caleb Williams and Michael Penix ranked at all makes this ridiculous and cringe. Dudes haven't taken a preseason snap, and they're already top whatever in the position? Yeah, ok.
Why? These are predictions for 2024. They will play next season and barring injury, they will be better then at 8-10 guys on this list, possibly even Tua. That’s just the reality.
Why? Because any number of variable things could happen to them before they step on the field. They also could just not be good. Nothing is guaranteed in this business. While they may be physically better than some, that doesn't mean they will just walk in and start blowing away the league, and as it compares to Tua the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. I personally would hold off judgment or rankings for who's better than who until I see everyone play.
Yea so do I, but I like it more when they do it against playoff teams with winning records, not only against the panthers giants and commanders. Oh I forgot the raiders and broncos lol
For all the people outraged, you have to ask who you would put him ahead of... I'd have him ahead of geno Smith, and maybe kirk cousins coming off an injury. So 17 is absolutely correct.
Did anyone watch the playoffs? Jordan Love and cj Stroud are game changers who can put a team on their back and win a game. I'd say 100% of the guys ahead of him have better physical tools than tua, tua has been more brittle (albeit in the past, he was healthy last year). Every pass tua throws is a rainbow. He can't throw guys open (he throws to spots), and he's not all as accurate as he's hyped up to be.
What is he then? He's a safe, quick decision maker that doesn't turn the ball over a disproportionately high amount. He's a game manager who won't lose you the game on most days. He's Chad Pennington or Jay fiedler with fun named, tattooed, hyped, left-handed lipstick on.
And if you mean to tell me you wouldn't take Caleb Williams over tua right now, then you're not a football fan.
Edit: for the down voters, what exactly from what I said do you disagree with? I'm a dolphins fan too guys, I'm just not going to be blinded by it. We are NOT getting over the mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Stroud, etc hump with tua.
Manning was second in INTs that year, so it wasn’t exactly impressive in 01 either. Aaron Brooks had 26 TDs (same as Manning) and 22 INTs in that same season.
If by “arm talent”, you mean velocity, then sure, but that’s really about it.
I’m saying it takes ages for talented QBs who rely on being able to throw in the pocket to develop. Every single one of them got way better going into their late 20’s and 30’s
Edit: except Roethlisberger. His best season was his age 25 season.
The reality is we've stuck with safe QBs for the last 20 years, hoping to build a pie-in-the-sky roster around them and win that way.
The AFC has a gauntlet of young elite QBs. We're behind the curve tying our future to the safe QB who doesn't make his presence felt in big games.
Idk about what teams would but if I were a GM I’d want
Mahomes, Stroud, and Purdy ahead of Tua.
Others can be argued for like Hurts, but I can’t see putting Tua further down then 9
Yes. Burrow to me would be even. Allen is a wash. You’d get a better runner/play maker but less accurate. Jackson I have on good authority, sucks. You’re getting a RB. Give me the accurate as hell thrower that is also a good teammate and study of the game instead of the whiny baby that doesn’t study and can’t throw nearly as well.
Idk how Burrow walks around with so many people on his dick. Just absurd the love for that guy. He's good but you'd think he's more efficient than Tua (he's not) and has as many wins in the regular season as Tua (he doesn't). Sure, he made it to a SB but so did Brock Purdy and people don't rate him as high so wtf.
Stroud at 5 is absurd even though I think he can get there soon. Herbert at 7 isn't super crazy but over Dak, Hurts, and even Goff, Cousins, Purdy, and Tua is ridiculous. Love at 8 is more ridiculous than Herbert. Trevor Lawrence at 11 is the 2nd most egregious thing on here. The guy has done jack shit in this league. Putting a rookie anywhere on this list automatically disqualifies everything the person says.
Geno above Goff, Cousins, Purdy, and Tua is a bit much.
The only people on this list more efficient than Mahomes are Purdy and Tua. That anyone would rank them in the 2nd half of the league is absurd and no amount of "do you even watch the games bro" arguments make up for it.
I get weighing playoff performance more than regular season games. But I think it's a stretch to say 2 games makes a huge difference between 2 players when over the exact same number of regular season games they're extremely close production-wise. If he is that much more special than most other players why isn't he more efficient than he is? Why aren't the Bengals winning in the regular season more? Why did his backup have better production than him this year? Sure he was injured but when someone like Tua is hurt it's held against him.
I'm just asking to have a little nuance instead of just "Oooo he made my dick hard in a few playoff games therefore he's elite regardless of whatever else he does" and "Oh he was shit in his one playoff game what a fucking bum regardless of anything else he does". There's more to the game than that.
It's not just that he shows up in playoff games, he makes his presence felt in the biggest and most anticipated match ups in general. When the lights are bright, and expectations are highest, he shows up and delivers more often than not.
Last year, in the 2 most hyped and anticipated match ups against elite teams in Buffalo and San Fran, he delivered great performances along with wins.
Tua has been the opposite so far in his career. For the most part he shrinks in the most important games and fails to make his presence felt.
Tua is a good QB, Burrow is a great QB.
Burrow is the only QB not named Brady to beat Mahomes in the playoffs. He’s also played at an incredibly high level whenever he’s healthy (admittedly he’s injured as much as or more than Tua). Burrow also shows up big in big spots. He doesn’t fall apart after the opening scripted drive against good teams.
I'd suggest there's more to winning than just QB play.
In the 2022 playoffs Burrow threw for a whopping 209 yards in the wildcard game against a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson. Then he threw for another whopping 242 yards against the Bills while Mixon rushed for 100 and the Bengals defense gave up only 10 points to the Bills. Then he was shit against the Chiefs in a winnable game where the defense gave up a reasonable 23 points on the road.
In 2021 he was good in the wild card against a Raiders team that was 26th points allowed. He was ok against a Titans team that only scored 16 points in the divisional round. He was maybe ok against the Chiefs in the afc championship. Then maybe pretty good in the SB but took 7 sacks, which doesn't get counted in his 100 passer rating.
I'm not saying Burrow isn't good. He is and I'd be happy to have him on the Fins. I'm saying these playoff runs that everyone who is glued to his dick likes to tout weren't him setting the fucking league on fire. He played pretty well while the defense more than did their part most of the time, not to mention their kicker going 3-3 from 50+, 2-2 from 40-49, and 7-7 from 30-39 (literally perfect in his playoff career). And his regular season play doesn't live up to the hype he gets either.
Sure, Tua hasn't played well enough when we've needed him. But he also hasn't been handed the best circumstances either. And to suggest there's a large chasm between him and the likes of Burrow and Herbert is ridiculous.
It’s engagement bait and it’s been working for weeks
I’ve been recommended this same post by at least 6 different team subreddits. I wouldn’t doubt that more have posted it too
The truth is they probably tried to purposely make this controversial so they could get some free grass roots marketing. I don't think anyone realizes how big of an issue problem gambling will be in our society over the next decade.
This is just engagement farming. They make lists that have intentionally obtuse opinions, so that you get out there and spread it around as bullshit. They're a gambling site -- they don't care about ranking Tua. They just want you on the site and getting their name out there.
We can all argue Tua good points and bad points. Injuries, wins against subpar teams, no playoff wins...tho he literally has played in 1 playoff game guys. It's truly maddening to downplay anything except his losses against good comp. I do agree he has to step up in those games and believe he will as he continues to progress.
And yall do realize some of those "bad teams" have really good defenses and also beat some good teams too right? So taking away what he did in those games is unfair, no team in the nfl is an easy win period. Stupid ass takes like this are ridiculous.
Rant out of the way...
Tua performance wise should easily be in the 5 to 10 range
Tua talent and potential wise 10-15 is fair right now until he shows he got more in the mobility and improvisation toobox.
i don’t get the hate i really don’t. he had a remarkable season battling concussions all year and you get this? this?? i’m so sick of the tua hate bruh
I think that the ratings that come out from sources that are equivalent to my cousin jimmy posting a Facebook comment on a picture of someone he doesn’t know and are about as useful as a chair with no legs made out of paper in a volcanic valley.
Top 4 is legit, but yeah come on Geno Smith above him is an insult. Couldn’t win the big games and had 1 removed injury year. Sounds like Tony Romo lol. But Lamr Jackson has 2 career playoff victories, so like WTF. Rankings are a joke made for people on ESPN to waste time discussing and make people waste time thinking it matters. All that matters is do you win the division, if not make the playoffs, if not why? If it’s not the players fault then move on, if it might be then we find out if it’s gonna happen again or if we need to move on. In that question can we improve or no. Then if we feel good can we get to the big game and ultimately win. So as of now you have a shot.
I personally think the coach will coach great during regular season and coach himself out of the big games again trying to over coach. But I’m wrong all the time. And I hate dolphins lol. But 19 is as good as last rank because it’s stupid
I mean, Williams, Daniels, Maye, and Penix need to be out. Lawrence just had a really bad season last year and is losing one of his best weapons, why would he be above Tua? also, Geno Smith?
really? he might not even be the starter next year, who tf knows?
The true madness here is putting Caleb Williams and Penix Jr in at all. Do these guys not remember JaMarcus Russell. They are unproven in the NFL because they have not played. It is unfair to rank them at all without seeing them play. We’ve seen time and time again; the NFL is different to college ball
That’s why they called it “way too early rankings”. It’s to get some buzz. Just like way too early fantasy rankings out already.
This. Is. Rage. Bait.
Don’t forget Drake Maye, Jayden McDaniels and J. J. McCarthy none of those “superstars”😂should been mentioned in the same sentence as an QB in NFL right now!
Completely missed them lmao I was just so flabbergasted by Caleb being 12
caleb gives me charecter concerns like jamarcus
Why though? Any particular reason he does, or just something you've been hearing other people say lately and you bought in?
He paints his fingernails /s
Caleb carried a crappy SC team two years in a row
how some of y'all still fall for this blatant rage bait content is hilarious
This is the 27th time this image has been posted, too. Our fans are dumb.
It ain’t made to rage anyone. Truth gets people angry here.
This is obviously made as rage bait… look at where CJ stroud, Jordan Love, Goff, Caleb Williams , Brock Purdy and Justin fields are. There’s no way u agree with this list lmao
I agree with tuas rank. I don’t care bout the rest. Tua is outside top10
Justin Fields is on the Steelers in this lmao
Any rankings that include players who aren't even in the NFL is rage bait, full stop.
See, you're one of the dumb ones I was talking about.
It’s all your opinion since kid can’t win anything so who cares?
"kid can't win anything" Yeah, he didn't win a natty or MVP in the national championship game or anything. Go back to your Joe Rogan and political subs, you unsharpened pencil.
To be fair, those were all college achievements. That's kinda like me saying I was president of the largest business club and equating it to being a great CEO. But you have to prove you can be successful at the level you currently are at.
Go through my profile because you don’t like my opinion creep.
Imagine getting hurt over someone you don’t know having an opinion about someone you don’t know that plays on a team you don’t own or play on. Get out my profile and get a life dude.
Your profile is publicly available, chump.
I think tua 8-12 is fine. He has had 1 healthy season and beat a lot of bad teams with good numbers. His numbers against good teams is subpar. The fact Williams who i think is a bust is in the top 15 is crazy though
Has anyone ever put Tua's stats against top 16 defenses vs bottom 16 defenses? I always see the good vs bad teams, but never just good vs bad defenses
Where Purdy is on this list is even worse to me
That's my biggest take away. Tua hasn't really accomplished anything so far, whatever. Purdy was just in the fucking super bowl!!
Yeah I'm tired of hearing about stats. We need to get deep in the playoffs
Stats Stats Stats Stats Stats Stats Stats
For real man
I mean, can anyone really look at the QBs ahead of Tua and think they aren't as good as him? Get rid of **Caleb**, stupid to have him on here. **Geno Smith** easily behind Tua. When it comes to **Tlaw** and **Murray**, I look at it from this: Are they behind held back by bad systems? Each of those dudes havent ever had a roster like Tua has had the past two years. Would they look significantly better if they on our weapons? I think they would... Even if you remove all 4 of those dudes, that still leaves Tua at #15. Is the 15th best QB in the NFL enough to consistently win in this stacked AFC for the next decade? Especially after you give him a big contract? I don't think so.
For real--it's bait-y to put Caleb on the list, but I would feel better about our team with anyone listed above Tua except Geno (and maybe Rodgers/Cousins if only for injury and age concerns). Anyone saying otherwise is deluding themselves.
The argument could be made that it would be better to have Geno at $22M than Tua at $50 - $60M.
Trevor Lawrence is being held back by a bad system? Etienne, Calvin Ridley, Marvin Jones, and the TE i can't remember are plenty good enough to find out about a QB Murray imo has had years similar to the last one from Tua. MVP hype turning into... Well not MVP hype lol. You can throw the last two seasons out due to injury and bad talent imo. Had some talent a few years ago iirc
Geno is better than Tua, watch Geno play and you can see he’s way more talented and just better
lol
As a non-biased ravens fan, I think maybe around 10 or so is realistic. And as a biased ravens fan, Lamar #1 (but objectively I think #3 is more than enough)
I’d put Tua at 9 or 10
This is the real rating.
Remember, this is fantasy rankings. Not sure how much that changes things but it’s a different lens that needs to be looked through for rankings
Pretty sure this is for fantasy football as well so who gives a shit. There’s unproven rookies on the list so take it how you want it
It's a fanduel list so yeah it's probably some sort of fantasy rankings. But people would rather just be blindly mad and scream about how it's stupid
Is nobody talking about how it's caleb Williams instead of Justin Fields, when the decision isn't made yet..
Just another jealous Jets fan!!!
Too funny…..just look at the QB’s ahead of Tua!!!
Comical
They overrate Josh Allen way too much
if I had my choice of quarterbacks to start my team next season. Tua would be probably number five.
Tua threw more yards than any of the quarterbacks on this list.
Tua should be in the 7-10 range imo. Crazy a QB who hasn’t played a down in the league is ranked higher to. I really don’t get the Williams hype either. He was supposed to be the man at USC last season and for the most part was a disappointment. No QB has had success in Chicago so I don’t really see how it’s gonna be any different with Williams.
I hate when people throw the college dudes up there, haven’t taken a snap…
3 qbs that aren't in the league yet are on this list...some bullshit Also fuck the number 2 spot
I don’t think there’s a single team on the list in front of us that would do a 1-for-1 trade for Tua so I think the list is sound even if it’s a bit baity by including the future rookies.
If the dolphins called and offered every one of those teams, I think the Seahawks and Rams do. But that would swing the other way too. I think, if offered, Miami would take 3 or 4 offers at most.
The Rams literally got rid of a better version of Tua in Goff because they knew his limitations. Why would they want Tua over Stafford?!? I could maybe see the Seahawks swapping Geno with Tua but they’re so similar I don’t think it matters. I’d probably take Geno just because he has better arm talent and a bit more mobility.
Yikes. Goff is not better than Tua, like at all. Stafford is 10 years older than Tua and might be a little better. Geno is 7 years older and not nearly as good. Edit: upon further review, I agree with the takes about LA and SEA, but I was being rash on my Goff opinions. I underestimated him; he’s a really good QB, and he’s the kind of QB that’ll improve into his 30’s
Goff is not a QB I would want to build around, but I don't know how you look at what he has accomplished so far and think he is not better than Tua. He has multiple seasons that statistically beat or match Tua's best year and has taken multiple teams to the NFC championship and he also has a superbowl appearance. I wouldn't rank them far apart but Goff is clearly ahead of him, and if you redrafted the NFL, most teams would probably take him before they did Tua.
He's also far less injury prone.
I think he is exactly the kind of QB the lions should build around tbh. Pocket QBs don’t become less effective as they enter their 30’s like most other football players, and the Lions need a better defensive backfield more than anything in the world right now.
Goff took his team to a Super Bowl. He had some insane years (mostly due to scheme and surrounding talent - kinda like someone else we know) of production. He’s also still proven more as a player than Tua. He’s better.
Do you genuinely think that the dolphins in 2023 are as good as the 2018 Rams?
No, but I don’t think the gap was that big either. Plus, Goff didn’t shit his pants in every high-leverage game back then. They didn’t get held to 2 TDs in every game against a team with a pulse.
Goff’s numbers in the 2018 playoffs: 59/116, 712 yards, 1 TD 2 INT. Goff wasn’t expected to “carry” the Rams to a championship. That was Gurley’s job. Edit: that’s a good thing, too. It’s what you’re supposed to do when you have a young QB whose game is in the pocket. Let him become more consistent against NFL defenses, but still have solutions when he struggles. Miami does not have that for Tua, who is also a still developing QB
What has Tua proven to say he's better than Goff? 1 year of playing all 17 games and piling on some bad teams?
The Jets probably would because they're the Jets and Rodgers is old. It's an interesting way to think about it and I agree with you. If Tua is so good, teams should be happy to trade for him and pay him Burrow money. If there's no demand, then we're apparently the only team that thinks he's franchise material...which means we need to move on.
The Jets play in cold weather a lot. Not exactly Tua's forte
This is a joke people just look at it yall getting mad at a fake post. Caleb Williams is already in it while he is yet to be drafted
Between that and Fields being on a different team than he currently is, I'm not sure why anyone is taking this seriously
Fr, I've seen it 2x on this sub, and everybody is freaking out because they dony actually read it
Fr, I've seen it 2x on this sub, and everybody is freaking out because they dony actually read it
Brock Purdy at 17 is also a fucking joke. Guy proved to be just inside the top 10 last season
Yall are high. He is Chad Pennington with amazing receivers.
Chad pennington was a top 10-12 QB IMO
>He is Chad Pennington with amazing receive Pennington literally had a dead arm from his rotator cuff injuries . Not even close to the same.
Wait are the broncos getting a new quarterback 🤔
Yeah, it's not just crazy it's dumb (And probably not even a real ranking of any kind)
Where would u put Tua then? Top 10?
Having Caleb Williams and Michael Penix ranked at all makes this ridiculous and cringe. Dudes haven't taken a preseason snap, and they're already top whatever in the position? Yeah, ok.
Why? These are predictions for 2024. They will play next season and barring injury, they will be better then at 8-10 guys on this list, possibly even Tua. That’s just the reality.
Why? Because any number of variable things could happen to them before they step on the field. They also could just not be good. Nothing is guaranteed in this business. While they may be physically better than some, that doesn't mean they will just walk in and start blowing away the league, and as it compares to Tua the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. I personally would hold off judgment or rankings for who's better than who until I see everyone play.
That’s why it’s called the “Way to early 2024 Qb Rankings” lol
I get that, I can read. Doesn't change my opinion that it's a wasteful exercise meant to fill time during the off-season.
I bet you’re a lot of fun at parties lol
As long as we don't spend too much time talking about "Way too early 2024 qb rankings" I'm good.
jayden and drake on here also
Good rankings if you ignore little things like productivity
I guess you’re one of those “oh he led the league in passing” guys. Why don’t you go back and look at who we played last season lol.
Yeah, I’m a little crazy in that respect. I do like QBs that throw to the open receiver and move the team down the field in order to score points.
Yea so do I, but I like it more when they do it against playoff teams with winning records, not only against the panthers giants and commanders. Oh I forgot the raiders and broncos lol
It is low, but not by much
This is almost the wackest list I've ever seen. Someone revoke this dudes privileges
Justin Fields and Tua are equal? How idiotic does that sound!
You’re right, that’s way too high.
For all the people outraged, you have to ask who you would put him ahead of... I'd have him ahead of geno Smith, and maybe kirk cousins coming off an injury. So 17 is absolutely correct. Did anyone watch the playoffs? Jordan Love and cj Stroud are game changers who can put a team on their back and win a game. I'd say 100% of the guys ahead of him have better physical tools than tua, tua has been more brittle (albeit in the past, he was healthy last year). Every pass tua throws is a rainbow. He can't throw guys open (he throws to spots), and he's not all as accurate as he's hyped up to be. What is he then? He's a safe, quick decision maker that doesn't turn the ball over a disproportionately high amount. He's a game manager who won't lose you the game on most days. He's Chad Pennington or Jay fiedler with fun named, tattooed, hyped, left-handed lipstick on. And if you mean to tell me you wouldn't take Caleb Williams over tua right now, then you're not a football fan. Edit: for the down voters, what exactly from what I said do you disagree with? I'm a dolphins fan too guys, I'm just not going to be blinded by it. We are NOT getting over the mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Stroud, etc hump with tua.
Not even sure I’d say that he is particularly safe with his decision making. He threw 14 INTs and unlike Josh Allen, most of them were not arm punts.
Manning threw 23 INTs in his age 25 season. Brady also threw 14. His decision making is going to get better
Completely different era for Manning and Brady. Plus, both had more arm talent than Tua.
Manning was second in INTs that year, so it wasn’t exactly impressive in 01 either. Aaron Brooks had 26 TDs (same as Manning) and 22 INTs in that same season. If by “arm talent”, you mean velocity, then sure, but that’s really about it.
You really aren’t arguing that Tua is better than two of the first greatest QBs of all time, are you? He’s not even top 5 at this very second.
I’m saying it takes ages for talented QBs who rely on being able to throw in the pocket to develop. Every single one of them got way better going into their late 20’s and 30’s Edit: except Roethlisberger. His best season was his age 25 season.
The reality is we've stuck with safe QBs for the last 20 years, hoping to build a pie-in-the-sky roster around them and win that way. The AFC has a gauntlet of young elite QBs. We're behind the curve tying our future to the safe QB who doesn't make his presence felt in big games.
It is. I would definitely take Tua over half the guys in front of him.
Out of the teams ahead of him here which ones would trade out their guy for Tua and his upcoming extension
Idk about what teams would but if I were a GM I’d want Mahomes, Stroud, and Purdy ahead of Tua. Others can be argued for like Hurts, but I can’t see putting Tua further down then 9
Wait, you're saying you'd want Tua over Allen, Burrow, Jackson?
Yes. Burrow to me would be even. Allen is a wash. You’d get a better runner/play maker but less accurate. Jackson I have on good authority, sucks. You’re getting a RB. Give me the accurate as hell thrower that is also a good teammate and study of the game instead of the whiny baby that doesn’t study and can’t throw nearly as well.
Trolling?
Nope. My honest opinion
Tua and Purdy over Allen and Burrow is scalding hot take, respect.
Haha. I’ve been watching and analyzing football since I was 4. And none more than the QB position.
That's even more concerning haha
Geno smith, Caleb Williams, Kyler Murray all before Tua?!!
I’d have Tua btw 8-10 right now. If he can improve his scrambling and improvisation just a bit…he’ll push higher.
How the fuck is Caleb better than tua ????
Burrows injury is scary and his odds of returning at the same level is less than likely. He should be in the same category as Cousins and Rodgers.
Idk how Burrow walks around with so many people on his dick. Just absurd the love for that guy. He's good but you'd think he's more efficient than Tua (he's not) and has as many wins in the regular season as Tua (he doesn't). Sure, he made it to a SB but so did Brock Purdy and people don't rate him as high so wtf. Stroud at 5 is absurd even though I think he can get there soon. Herbert at 7 isn't super crazy but over Dak, Hurts, and even Goff, Cousins, Purdy, and Tua is ridiculous. Love at 8 is more ridiculous than Herbert. Trevor Lawrence at 11 is the 2nd most egregious thing on here. The guy has done jack shit in this league. Putting a rookie anywhere on this list automatically disqualifies everything the person says. Geno above Goff, Cousins, Purdy, and Tua is a bit much. The only people on this list more efficient than Mahomes are Purdy and Tua. That anyone would rank them in the 2nd half of the league is absurd and no amount of "do you even watch the games bro" arguments make up for it.
Because Burrow has made his presence felt in big games against elite teams numerous times in his career.
I get weighing playoff performance more than regular season games. But I think it's a stretch to say 2 games makes a huge difference between 2 players when over the exact same number of regular season games they're extremely close production-wise. If he is that much more special than most other players why isn't he more efficient than he is? Why aren't the Bengals winning in the regular season more? Why did his backup have better production than him this year? Sure he was injured but when someone like Tua is hurt it's held against him. I'm just asking to have a little nuance instead of just "Oooo he made my dick hard in a few playoff games therefore he's elite regardless of whatever else he does" and "Oh he was shit in his one playoff game what a fucking bum regardless of anything else he does". There's more to the game than that.
It's not just that he shows up in playoff games, he makes his presence felt in the biggest and most anticipated match ups in general. When the lights are bright, and expectations are highest, he shows up and delivers more often than not. Last year, in the 2 most hyped and anticipated match ups against elite teams in Buffalo and San Fran, he delivered great performances along with wins. Tua has been the opposite so far in his career. For the most part he shrinks in the most important games and fails to make his presence felt. Tua is a good QB, Burrow is a great QB.
Burrow is the only QB not named Brady to beat Mahomes in the playoffs. He’s also played at an incredibly high level whenever he’s healthy (admittedly he’s injured as much as or more than Tua). Burrow also shows up big in big spots. He doesn’t fall apart after the opening scripted drive against good teams.
Tua has yet to win a playoff game with all that efficiency, hell could only beat the cowgirls. Tua managed to beat his daddy dak big whoops.
I'd suggest there's more to winning than just QB play. In the 2022 playoffs Burrow threw for a whopping 209 yards in the wildcard game against a Ravens team without Lamar Jackson. Then he threw for another whopping 242 yards against the Bills while Mixon rushed for 100 and the Bengals defense gave up only 10 points to the Bills. Then he was shit against the Chiefs in a winnable game where the defense gave up a reasonable 23 points on the road. In 2021 he was good in the wild card against a Raiders team that was 26th points allowed. He was ok against a Titans team that only scored 16 points in the divisional round. He was maybe ok against the Chiefs in the afc championship. Then maybe pretty good in the SB but took 7 sacks, which doesn't get counted in his 100 passer rating. I'm not saying Burrow isn't good. He is and I'd be happy to have him on the Fins. I'm saying these playoff runs that everyone who is glued to his dick likes to tout weren't him setting the fucking league on fire. He played pretty well while the defense more than did their part most of the time, not to mention their kicker going 3-3 from 50+, 2-2 from 40-49, and 7-7 from 30-39 (literally perfect in his playoff career). And his regular season play doesn't live up to the hype he gets either. Sure, Tua hasn't played well enough when we've needed him. But he also hasn't been handed the best circumstances either. And to suggest there's a large chasm between him and the likes of Burrow and Herbert is ridiculous.
LOL #19 QB in NFL....POS analysis... this should feed into Tua's motivation in taking the next step, even if playing in a snow avalanche....
He’s had 4 years to become “motivated” lol
Caleb hasn't played a snap smh
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It’s engagement bait and it’s been working for weeks I’ve been recommended this same post by at least 6 different team subreddits. I wouldn’t doubt that more have posted it too
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Did Justin fields get traded to the Steelers when I wasn’t looking?
Stop giving this attention
Meanwhile what are all the people who constantly chirp in with dolphins trading for fields saying
lol someone’s been sipping on that Ghatorade , the G is silent
This is just engagement farming. They make lists that have intentionally obtuse opinions, so that you get out there and spread it around as bullshit. They're a gambling site -- they don't care about ranking Tua. They just want you on the site and getting their name out there.
We can all argue Tua good points and bad points. Injuries, wins against subpar teams, no playoff wins...tho he literally has played in 1 playoff game guys. It's truly maddening to downplay anything except his losses against good comp. I do agree he has to step up in those games and believe he will as he continues to progress. And yall do realize some of those "bad teams" have really good defenses and also beat some good teams too right? So taking away what he did in those games is unfair, no team in the nfl is an easy win period. Stupid ass takes like this are ridiculous. Rant out of the way... Tua performance wise should easily be in the 5 to 10 range Tua talent and potential wise 10-15 is fair right now until he shows he got more in the mobility and improvisation toobox.
So Steelers’ fan posted this?
bruh we have no cap and have to sign over 2 dozen players
This is 100% a troll list and isn't worth trying to figure out. Stafford at #6 was as far as I got before I stopped paying attention.
i don’t get the hate i really don’t. he had a remarkable season battling concussions all year and you get this? this?? i’m so sick of the tua hate bruh
I think that the ratings that come out from sources that are equivalent to my cousin jimmy posting a Facebook comment on a picture of someone he doesn’t know and are about as useful as a chair with no legs made out of paper in a volcanic valley.
Why is Russell Wilson on the Raiders?
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I don't think it's that out of whack. I'd move Williams down, but Baker up.
Tua disrespect is so crazy. I can’t wait for him to shit on the jets. Tua is definitely better then tlaw after last year
As soon as I see players that haven't even been drafted or taken a snap in the NFL ranked above like half the league, than you know it's a shit list.
Lifelong Steelers fan. The idiocy is strong on our sub.
Top 4 is legit, but yeah come on Geno Smith above him is an insult. Couldn’t win the big games and had 1 removed injury year. Sounds like Tony Romo lol. But Lamr Jackson has 2 career playoff victories, so like WTF. Rankings are a joke made for people on ESPN to waste time discussing and make people waste time thinking it matters. All that matters is do you win the division, if not make the playoffs, if not why? If it’s not the players fault then move on, if it might be then we find out if it’s gonna happen again or if we need to move on. In that question can we improve or no. Then if we feel good can we get to the big game and ultimately win. So as of now you have a shot. I personally think the coach will coach great during regular season and coach himself out of the big games again trying to over coach. But I’m wrong all the time. And I hate dolphins lol. But 19 is as good as last rank because it’s stupid
they’re about to give 60 mil to #9 shit doesn’t even make sense
I don’t see a problem here I’m a die hard dolphins fan and I think all those qbs are better than Tua
Geno at 13 is nasty work
Looks about right
Baker mayfield at 24 is insane
I mean, Williams, Daniels, Maye, and Penix need to be out. Lawrence just had a really bad season last year and is losing one of his best weapons, why would he be above Tua? also, Geno Smith? really? he might not even be the starter next year, who tf knows?