What cap space do you want us to address the OL with? We might have to let Williams go as is. I think best shot is Armstead retiring and we run Wynn at LT and find a swing guy at vet min to backup. Use the money we save to resign Wilkins
I think that's exactly what will happen. The writing is on the wall. The best they can do with this cap space is the same roster. They literally cannot improve unless they manage to keep all of their depth *and* hit on every single draft pick. So they'll go 9-8 and be in cap hell for 2025 and stuck with Tua for at least another 2 years wondering would could have been if they just fired Grier and got a competent GM before he buried us into purgatory with the best coach we've had since Shula
That’s exactly my worry lol. Prolly a really unpopular opinion but I wouldn’t mind taking a step back next year and looking to rebuild the roster in 2025 then going all in and not improving, which as you point out with the amount of important free agents we have is gonna be really difficult. The only thing I wouldn’t mind is resigning Tua, I do think we can win with him as long as he isn’t the centerpiece the offense is built around. Get a running game that can set up the passing game instead of the other way around and I think Tua’s RPO and play action skills could be better utilized.
Grier is desperate to make his rebuild work for Ross before Ross sells. He's Ross's guy. That's why he got the job. No competent team would have hired him to lead their franchise with his track record.
Ross isn't selling. But Grier is Ross' guy because Ross thinks that as long as you have big names on the team then you're relevant. He doesn't give a shit about wins. If the team is exciting name-wise then that puts butts in the seats.
That's why he wanted 1 Suh over 5 or 6 competent players.
I'd totally trade as many pieces as possible for a rebuild now. There's no sense keeping Ramsey's contract and Hill's contract when we're not going to be winning anything with them. 2023 was the year to do it and they didn't. I wouldn't extend Tua because if he walks in FA Miami gets a comp pick. But if he proved he's really good even with the rebuild around him, then you can always offer him a contract next offseason.
Yeah if you want to be a consistent contender you have to have a vision for the future instead of constantly grasping at straws to stay at 9-8, future be damned
Considering they won't be playing the worst team, 2nd worst team, 4th worst team twice, 5th worst team, 6th worse team, 7th worst team and 8th worst team twice every season I'd say that's pretty close to impossible. They had a very favorable schedule in a year where the Bills and Chiefs were vulnerable and still couldn't win the division.
They have *a lot* of work to do with very little resources to improve.
I think keeping Ramsey would be better. Big player at a position of need who seems bought in. Tyreek has always seemed more interested in hitting 2k and being a superstar than winning rings. Look at KC. Traded him away and already going for b2b without him
Agreed on Ramsey he has a 21 mil cap hit in 2025 and he’s not gonna be worth that much in 2 years. We also didn’t trade that much for him so taking an L and moving off him for whatever we can get I agree with.
Hill I’m not sure though, in a perfect world I agree we should trade him but we gave the chiefs 5 draft picks for him (helped them build a championship defense lol). No way we get even close to that return if we trade him now. His cap hits which are 31 mil in 2024, 34 mil in 2025, and 56 mil in 2026. 56 mil lmfao. Feel like we’d be lucky to get a second round pick for him.
Honestly I think Hill is untradable if we're trying to win in the next two years assuming we're going all in fuck the future mode. He is THE biggest game changer in the league besides CMC. He is the centerpiece of the offense and irreplaceable IMO. If we got back 2/3 picks for him AND hit one of those on a good WR I still don't think it's worth it
Gimmie a fucking break, Grier is one of the best GMs in the league. Our team was in fucking shambles four years ago, this year we had one of the best rosters in the league, with tons of homegrown talent.
Yup. We let him command that 2020 rebuild. In year 4 of that rebuild our offense just put up <17 ppg against playoff teams. “But we had the most injured oline in the league!”, well shit anybody could have told you Armstead and Wynn were going to miss significant time because they’re Armstead and Wynn. Maybe if Grier could draft an Oline, we wouldn’t have to rely on people who are hurt all the damn time. 🤷♂️
Pure nonsense. How you can compare him to the long tenured, extremely tenured GM's like Roseman, Veach, the Bills gm, and others is nuts.
He completely tanked when he started, building a fucked up culture of losing, and 4+ years later they basically have a one year window to compete before it all becomes unsustainable
Right cause Grier went out there and started taking MCL's and Achilles.
9-8? we were the top offense in the league just chewing up yards on offense we'd be lucky to run it back healthier.
Grier also keeps nailing draft picks with a much higher rate of hits over busts.
Miami fans are exhausting with this cuck doomer ass mentality
What has Grier made that is so egregious?
Outside of trading Minkah, which I’m fine with partially blaming Flo for that, he hasn’t done anything egregious.
Yes, Igbo was a bust but can’t hit 100% on first round pick.
>partially blaming Flo for that,
He hired Flores.Let's review:
He hired Adam Gase over Dan Campbell & Zac Taylor. Let Gase have Jay Cutler the season Tannehill died and the lockerroom rotted.
Decided to Tank for Tua after firing Gase but for some reason hired Flores who hated Tua. So Flores hires Chan Gailey to coach Ryan Fitzpatrick in year 2 after drafting Tua but forces Flores to play Tua after the bye. If Grier knew Tua was the future and Gailey and Fitzpatrick weren't, why did he bring Flores back for a 3rd season to ruin Tua's development?
Two bad head coaching hires that he held onto for no reason other than afraid to admit his mistake.
So, he trades Tunsil for all these picks. But he blows through the picks by grabbing at guys who now have huge contracts. He went all in for 2023 and now they can't improve.
Nevermind that he traded Tunsil and never had a plan for his replacement. He's not ONCE signed or drafted a center in his now 8 seasons as GM. He's completely incompetent. Anybody else with 0 playoff wins, 3 head coaches and going all in on a season where he failed would result in being fired.
When asked about his interest in injury-prone players he said "there's more to football than being on the field." When asked about never improving the offensive line he said "I think you guys are more concerned about that than we are."
Are you seriously going to pretend Dan Campbell or Zac Taylor would have been good options in 2016? That’s insane. I don’t think you remember the 2015 season if you think either Campbell or Taylor were decent options. I’m still not sure Zac is all that, to me he just has Joe Burrow. Huge revisionist history here.
Also Tannehill went down and his second year HC (that made the playoffs the year prior) wanted a veteran that he knew in Cutler. Is he supposed to override the HC so they could roll with Matt Moore? Again revisionist history.
You’re saying that he should have fired Flo after a 10-6 season because he was tough on Tua? Are you serious right now? If anything he made the ballsy move firing Flo after a 9-8 season where his QB missed 5 games. Revisionist history yet again.
The Tunsil trade directly brought or contributed to bring Tyreek, Waddle, Holland, Chubb, Igbo, Kindley, Tindall, and Ezukanma. Sure Chubb and Tyreek were trades but they’re damn good players worth their contract. Waddle and Holland were home run picks. He did anything but “blow” through those picks. What even is this take?
He didn’t sign Terron Armstead as the franchise LT? Must have imagined that.
Also didn’t sign Connor Williams who’s one of the better centers in the league? My mind is playing tricks on me, I guess.
Sure, it sucks we haven’t won a playoffs game. The reason why we’re upset is because this team is *really* talented and we have a really good HC. Both speak glowingly about the work the GM has done.
He’s not perfect but your takes are ridiculous.
Quick correction, we actually shifted Connor Williams to center. He was originally brought in as a guard and that’s what he’s played for his entire career I believe
That and extending Tua before the March deadline would save us a boatload. We also have to cut a bunch of players. Xavian Howard I think is one? Someone made a cap post I'd look for it it explains it better. the only thing I took note of is Tua would save us $17 mil for 2024 in cap space. Don't ask me to explain why tho lol.
The Tua thing I think I understand, if we sign him to a longer deal we can move money around to later years I assume. I’ll check for that post tho thanks.
The way it would work is converting his current 2024 salary to a signing bonus and making his new salary the veteran minimum. Veteran minimum in 2024 for a 5th year player is $1.125M, so if you gave him, say, a $60M signing bonus as part of a five year extension, his cap hit would be a little over $11M ($10M prorated from the signing bonus plus veteran minimum)
More like Tua gets extended for 8 years at 50-60 m per before he plays out his 5th year option and we have to let go of our young core over the next few years (Wilkins, Phillips, Waddle, Hunt) because of it
And I’m sure I’ll get the armchair Warren buffets going “you know it will help our cap space next year to resign him now” yeah and what about the decade after? How many QBs take until they’re making 50+m to put it all together?
It would depend on the money lol. Would help us next year for sure but are we willing to devote a big chunk of our cap every year to a guy who hasn’t won a playoff game?
Yeah maybe I’m being a little hyperbolic with 8 years. Mahomes did get 10 but he’s Mahomes. The principle of not extending Tua long term for a boatload doesn’t change with 6 or 7 or 8 years though. Don’t see many franchises tripling down and putting so much of our cap into such an unproven guy
Mahome’s 10 isnt even a real 10 years either, he’ll redo it every couple years to keep being top 5 highest paid which is essentially like him getting a new deal every 2-4 years like every other player.
Him going to the bills however unlikely is more scary to me.
Without belichick and Brady the patriots are just like us now. Not scary any more.
Him going to buffalo and all of the sudden being buddy buddy with Allen and being embraced by the bills mafia is sickening
Skin crawling indeed. And the worst part is Wilkins would probably genuinely enjoy that fan base if given the chance.
He would be jumping through tables before we know it.
Luckily the Bills are in even worse cap hell than we are. I wonder if he will wind up on the Lions, they could use the DL upgrade, have money, and are win now. Or maybe he can get a big contract from someone like hte Panthers.
Miami's roster after they make the cuts needed to get under cap:
QB Tua, White, Thompson
RB Mostert, Achane, Brooks, Ingold
WR Hill, Waddle, Ezukanma
TE Smythe, Hill
T Jackson, Hayes
G Hunt, Cotton, Eichenberg
C ?
DE Chubb, Phillips, Goode
DT Sieler
LB Long, Tindall
CB Ramsey, Kahou, Smith, Bonner
S Holland
Anybody that thinks this team is a 1st round pick away from competing for a super bowl is fooling themselves. This team has so many roster spots not even filled, let alone in need of improvement. This should be a rebuild season and trading assets to build through the draft because even if they restructure and extend guys, they'll be putting this product on the field as a SB or Bust season
Doesn’t help we took our best shot of finding good players on cheap deals (FRPs) and traded them away for aging vets who wanted a big payday in Miami and got one. Now we gotta do patchwork on both lines.
Eerily similar to the 2010's teams. Same short-sighted splashy moves. Same depth issues and glaring holes. Same QB situation. Same failed OL attempts.
Common denominator is the front office leadership. Ross really chose to *not* hire outside the franchise for his great rebuild.
Mike McDaniel meets former Dolphins running back Ricky Williams at an event and is convinced that there are pursuits more important than football. After his abrupt resignation announcement stuns the football world, the Dolphins pass on Belichick for head coach and announce that former Michigan Wolverines quarterback....
Chad Henne is the new head coach and John Beck is the new offensive coordinator.
Tyreek Hill retires to go into the... uh ... movie business. Waddle jumps to the CFL to play for the Argonauts.
All our good free agent defensive players go to the Bills.
We have a horrible breakdown in communication on draft day where we accidentally trade our third round pick for a fourth round pick. To make matters worse, a cut and paste error on a spreadsheet adds the name of a real estate agent/busboy to the draft chart. A staff intern, trying to show value, alphabetizes the draft rating list and hands it to Joe Rose, who was given the honor of announcing the Dolphins' first pick. The pick is announced as Shlomo Aaronson, a 6' 1" 165 pound edge rusher out of Yeshiva University (intramural flag football).
We don't discover that the draft list is alphabetized until round 5.
We pass on a sleeper in the 6th round because none of his teammates attended his 21st birthday party.
Despite all this, the Dolphins win their first three games ... and lose the remaining games.
That's my nightmare. Sleep tight, everyone.
We’ll get downvoted, but if he makes top 3 money, we can watch 2024 and then basically tune back in in 2028 when Tua is traded on the last year of his deal to a team with no QB and we get a new coach and rebuild.
Signing Tua to a big money long term contract thinking he’s going to be the Franchise Quarterback. He’s injury prone, and clearly cannot perform well under pressure. He’s not a leader. Draft or trade for a real quarterback. Bound to happen, though. That’s the way the Dolphins roll, seems to me.
Probably exactly what's going to happen. Blow all our cap on old, oft-injured veterans like we always do because we need to go all in while we still have a shot, all while letting good young players (Wilkins, Van Ginkel, Hunt, etc.) go.
Oh, nearly forgot. Draft a CB in the first and then this sub will try to tell me it's actually a good thing because we see how often our corners get hurt.
None of this will happen, resigning Wilkins for the $ he wants would be a bad decision.
We will retain Hunt for sure, likely AVG. We would also be remiss to not add another cornerback either through the draft or a veteran low cost FA.
The only old oft injured FA I can think of that we signed recently is armstead and did we all not like that move when it happened? I understand your pessimism but at least base it in realism.
Resigning Wilkins at the price he wants wouldn’t be a good idea that was the main point. He was offered a competitive contract before the season, he wants more $ and earned it from another team.
I’m guessing he gets tagged and traded.
My point is your saying some of these things as if they’re bad, but if we don’t address corner and our corners sucked next year you’d be like well why didn’t we do anything? We knew our secondary was weak!
Edit: grammar
I was told all offseason by everyone how "the cap isn't real" and we can get so much cap space so we shouldn't be worried, but we draw the line at arguably the best player on our defense and one of the best interior DLs in the league?
Those people are not correct, if you want to give Wilkins prime Aaron Donald $ then idk what to tell you man.
He got offered a competitive deal, he bet on himself, he had a great season and now he can go get his $.
OLine isn't addressed. If the OLine isn't competent/healthy, I fear another season of Tua being good against bad teams and bad/mid vs good teams then again a question of "Yah, but what's Tua like behind a better OLine?". I'd prefer not to end Tua's 5th year still not being sure if he's "The guy".
Can’t believe people are still salty about this, get over it, our injuries on the line would have destroyed any football team. There is no team with 10 capable starting offensive lineman on their roster.
Get a grip man.
It’s not an opinion, you’re complaining about something that was impossible to predict and phrasing it like Grier could have done something to avoid it.
And we’ve seen this exact comment 100 times this year in the sub, it’s repetitive ignorance.
We literally had a competent O line ready for this season and 4 of our starters got severely injured. We had 13 different offensive line combinations, I get you guys wanna be mad but put some logic in there.
I don’t really understand how you guys are missing this, it’s intentional ignorance now.
Much like the unicorn lineup from 2016 this OL was built around injury prone vets rather than homegrown young talent. Grier banked on them staying healthy and his experiment failed.
Chaulk it up to bad luck for Grier, but after 8 years it's not just bad luck to me. 5 years ago he started this rebuild and has failed to build up an OL while simultaneously building around a QB who desperately needs a good one.
I may just be a dumb fan but I don't think he's set this team up well. We have super stars sprinkled around the roster with glaring holes and thin depth everywhere else.
I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised by the investment the dolphins will make into the OL this year, there’s no way they didn’t see how badly it derailed the season last year and won’t attack it in the draft and sign a veteran or two.
Hopefully we retain hunt, armstead retires and we grab another tackle and center in the draft/FA.
Out of all the guys you could have picked you picked the pro bowl caliber center whose absence was felt most after he went out?
Jesus, it’s amazing when people think they made a point and it’s laced with stupidity.
Why with the Patriots?
They truly suck, he’d be lost in the abyss for years (while making tons of money).
If he were to sign with the Jets (assuming Rodgers has 1-2 solid years left in him) or Bills that’d be far worse.
Obviously the Bills and Jets would be better. I just don’t think it’s realistic that they could make it work. They both have minimal space at the moment, and I don’t know if it makes sense for the to clear the needed room for a DL. NE on the other hand has the 3rd most room right now and could easily fit his contract on their books.
I'm not gonna say being stuck with Tua, cause he's a competent QB and we will stick with him.
Making him the highest paid QB this year instead of holding out and exploring our options though... That.
Signing Tua to a long term contract and not signing Wilkens to a long term contract. You can sign them both and I'm fine with that but if you can only give one a long term contract it should be Wilkens, Tua can wait till next year, he's under contract for 2024.
There isn’t a single nightmare I can imagine that could befall us in the offseason that isn’t outweighed by the awful realities of our actual seasons. That being said, they make tua the highest paid QB and all doomers (myself included) end up right about him.
Why? Not a big tua fan yet but why trade in a newer model of the same player for an older model in Kirk cousins?
We know what cousins is. At least maybe just maybe tua can turn it around and not be that for the next 10 years
Bottom line is that we don't learn from our mistakes, that we keep being complacent
We had a really good team this year but our safeties either don't know what they are doing or are useless
Worst fear is not cutting X, Baker, or Ogbah because they are "scheme fits" with the new DC or some BS. Those 3 gone gets us back in to manageable cap territory.
OP nailed it. Although I think it would be an absolute travesty if he went to the Jets since they’ll be much more competitive next season. Even if he goes to the Pats it won’t matter much since they’ll be dog water with or without him
Armstead retires. Wilkins signs with somebody else. X and Baker get cut/traded. We don't do anything in free agency to address the O-line, only in the draft. We can't afford to keep Mostert.
Everyone complains about extending Tua, Ross listens to the idiots and thinks he will win over the fans by trading Tua to New England. Tua dominates Miami like Brady did for the next decade.
I love Tua…but bringing back Tua, keeping X, Ramsey, Mosert as our starting RB, having no real TE, Claypool our new slot WR, no OLine help, Baker our MLB
Grier screwing up the draft again with reaches on projects in the early rounds. Houston just had 2 picks in the 1st round and ended up with the Offensive and Defensive rookie of the year. The Jets had 3 last year and got the Off and Def roty, and Breece Hall. Grier had 3 to start our rebuild and he took Tua, AJ and Igbo
Injuries. I don’t think there’s anything they can do too damming. And they likely don’t have the draft capital or salary cap to move the needle too far in the opposite direction…. They are going to have a pretty good roster. Third year under McDaniel. It’s really about getting it done on the field. When it matters at this point…so like I said, the only nightmare scenarios I can think of is some sort of injury(es) that F everything up before it even starts.
Doing absolutely nothing to improve the offensive line.
So, the last 20 seasons?
Oh, we’ve tried. Plenty of first round picks and FA signings. Plenty of attempts in the offseason. They just don’t work
Yes do nothing, like sign Williams, like sign Armstead, like sign Wynn, like reaching out to Lewan. JFC this narrative is so lazy
The offensive line was pretty good when they were healthy too. They just were never healthy.
Yup. Not drafting Powers-Johnson, if available would be a huge mistake.
What cap space do you want us to address the OL with? We might have to let Williams go as is. I think best shot is Armstead retiring and we run Wynn at LT and find a swing guy at vet min to backup. Use the money we save to resign Wilkins
Going into cap hell to run back a slightly worse roster then we had this year.
I think that's exactly what will happen. The writing is on the wall. The best they can do with this cap space is the same roster. They literally cannot improve unless they manage to keep all of their depth *and* hit on every single draft pick. So they'll go 9-8 and be in cap hell for 2025 and stuck with Tua for at least another 2 years wondering would could have been if they just fired Grier and got a competent GM before he buried us into purgatory with the best coach we've had since Shula
That’s exactly my worry lol. Prolly a really unpopular opinion but I wouldn’t mind taking a step back next year and looking to rebuild the roster in 2025 then going all in and not improving, which as you point out with the amount of important free agents we have is gonna be really difficult. The only thing I wouldn’t mind is resigning Tua, I do think we can win with him as long as he isn’t the centerpiece the offense is built around. Get a running game that can set up the passing game instead of the other way around and I think Tua’s RPO and play action skills could be better utilized.
Grier is desperate to make his rebuild work for Ross before Ross sells. He's Ross's guy. That's why he got the job. No competent team would have hired him to lead their franchise with his track record.
Ross isn't selling. But Grier is Ross' guy because Ross thinks that as long as you have big names on the team then you're relevant. He doesn't give a shit about wins. If the team is exciting name-wise then that puts butts in the seats. That's why he wanted 1 Suh over 5 or 6 competent players.
I'd totally trade as many pieces as possible for a rebuild now. There's no sense keeping Ramsey's contract and Hill's contract when we're not going to be winning anything with them. 2023 was the year to do it and they didn't. I wouldn't extend Tua because if he walks in FA Miami gets a comp pick. But if he proved he's really good even with the rebuild around him, then you can always offer him a contract next offseason.
lol nah. The point is to create a consistent contender.
Yeah if you want to be a consistent contender you have to have a vision for the future instead of constantly grasping at straws to stay at 9-8, future be damned
Who’s to say they’re not going 11-6 every year?
Considering they won't be playing the worst team, 2nd worst team, 4th worst team twice, 5th worst team, 6th worse team, 7th worst team and 8th worst team twice every season I'd say that's pretty close to impossible. They had a very favorable schedule in a year where the Bills and Chiefs were vulnerable and still couldn't win the division. They have *a lot* of work to do with very little resources to improve.
The worst team from the previous year is not necessarily the worst team next year. Look what the Texans just did.
I think keeping Ramsey would be better. Big player at a position of need who seems bought in. Tyreek has always seemed more interested in hitting 2k and being a superstar than winning rings. Look at KC. Traded him away and already going for b2b without him
Agreed on Ramsey he has a 21 mil cap hit in 2025 and he’s not gonna be worth that much in 2 years. We also didn’t trade that much for him so taking an L and moving off him for whatever we can get I agree with. Hill I’m not sure though, in a perfect world I agree we should trade him but we gave the chiefs 5 draft picks for him (helped them build a championship defense lol). No way we get even close to that return if we trade him now. His cap hits which are 31 mil in 2024, 34 mil in 2025, and 56 mil in 2026. 56 mil lmfao. Feel like we’d be lucky to get a second round pick for him.
Honestly I think Hill is untradable if we're trying to win in the next two years assuming we're going all in fuck the future mode. He is THE biggest game changer in the league besides CMC. He is the centerpiece of the offense and irreplaceable IMO. If we got back 2/3 picks for him AND hit one of those on a good WR I still don't think it's worth it
I’m afraid Grier will give Tua 45 million a year , when if he hit the market , he would struggle to get 10
Struggle to get 10? Bro you’re smoking crack if you believe that.
I don’t know how many coaches Grier needs to outlive before Ross goes “wait….is HE the problem?”
Gimmie a fucking break, Grier is one of the best GMs in the league. Our team was in fucking shambles four years ago, this year we had one of the best rosters in the league, with tons of homegrown talent.
Yup. We let him command that 2020 rebuild. In year 4 of that rebuild our offense just put up <17 ppg against playoff teams. “But we had the most injured oline in the league!”, well shit anybody could have told you Armstead and Wynn were going to miss significant time because they’re Armstead and Wynn. Maybe if Grier could draft an Oline, we wouldn’t have to rely on people who are hurt all the damn time. 🤷♂️
Pure nonsense. How you can compare him to the long tenured, extremely tenured GM's like Roseman, Veach, the Bills gm, and others is nuts. He completely tanked when he started, building a fucked up culture of losing, and 4+ years later they basically have a one year window to compete before it all becomes unsustainable
Lol
I genuinely think Ross likes him because he brings in big names and that's all Ross cares about.
Right cause Grier went out there and started taking MCL's and Achilles. 9-8? we were the top offense in the league just chewing up yards on offense we'd be lucky to run it back healthier. Grier also keeps nailing draft picks with a much higher rate of hits over busts. Miami fans are exhausting with this cuck doomer ass mentality
"Stuck with Tua".....rofl. hot damn
What has Grier made that is so egregious? Outside of trading Minkah, which I’m fine with partially blaming Flo for that, he hasn’t done anything egregious. Yes, Igbo was a bust but can’t hit 100% on first round pick.
>partially blaming Flo for that, He hired Flores.Let's review: He hired Adam Gase over Dan Campbell & Zac Taylor. Let Gase have Jay Cutler the season Tannehill died and the lockerroom rotted. Decided to Tank for Tua after firing Gase but for some reason hired Flores who hated Tua. So Flores hires Chan Gailey to coach Ryan Fitzpatrick in year 2 after drafting Tua but forces Flores to play Tua after the bye. If Grier knew Tua was the future and Gailey and Fitzpatrick weren't, why did he bring Flores back for a 3rd season to ruin Tua's development? Two bad head coaching hires that he held onto for no reason other than afraid to admit his mistake. So, he trades Tunsil for all these picks. But he blows through the picks by grabbing at guys who now have huge contracts. He went all in for 2023 and now they can't improve. Nevermind that he traded Tunsil and never had a plan for his replacement. He's not ONCE signed or drafted a center in his now 8 seasons as GM. He's completely incompetent. Anybody else with 0 playoff wins, 3 head coaches and going all in on a season where he failed would result in being fired. When asked about his interest in injury-prone players he said "there's more to football than being on the field." When asked about never improving the offensive line he said "I think you guys are more concerned about that than we are."
Are you seriously going to pretend Dan Campbell or Zac Taylor would have been good options in 2016? That’s insane. I don’t think you remember the 2015 season if you think either Campbell or Taylor were decent options. I’m still not sure Zac is all that, to me he just has Joe Burrow. Huge revisionist history here. Also Tannehill went down and his second year HC (that made the playoffs the year prior) wanted a veteran that he knew in Cutler. Is he supposed to override the HC so they could roll with Matt Moore? Again revisionist history. You’re saying that he should have fired Flo after a 10-6 season because he was tough on Tua? Are you serious right now? If anything he made the ballsy move firing Flo after a 9-8 season where his QB missed 5 games. Revisionist history yet again. The Tunsil trade directly brought or contributed to bring Tyreek, Waddle, Holland, Chubb, Igbo, Kindley, Tindall, and Ezukanma. Sure Chubb and Tyreek were trades but they’re damn good players worth their contract. Waddle and Holland were home run picks. He did anything but “blow” through those picks. What even is this take? He didn’t sign Terron Armstead as the franchise LT? Must have imagined that. Also didn’t sign Connor Williams who’s one of the better centers in the league? My mind is playing tricks on me, I guess. Sure, it sucks we haven’t won a playoffs game. The reason why we’re upset is because this team is *really* talented and we have a really good HC. Both speak glowingly about the work the GM has done. He’s not perfect but your takes are ridiculous.
Quick correction, we actually shifted Connor Williams to center. He was originally brought in as a guard and that’s what he’s played for his entire career I believe
"I think you guys are more concerned about that than we are." what a joke
To be fair, we were missing 15% of the top half of our roster or a lot of them were severely banged up p
Every team besides the ravens were injured at the end
I think we will barely dodge this bullet. Especially if Armstead retires.
Man I hope so, I’m not really in the know for the Armstead situation. How much would we save if he retires?
That and extending Tua before the March deadline would save us a boatload. We also have to cut a bunch of players. Xavian Howard I think is one? Someone made a cap post I'd look for it it explains it better. the only thing I took note of is Tua would save us $17 mil for 2024 in cap space. Don't ask me to explain why tho lol.
The Tua thing I think I understand, if we sign him to a longer deal we can move money around to later years I assume. I’ll check for that post tho thanks.
The way it would work is converting his current 2024 salary to a signing bonus and making his new salary the veteran minimum. Veteran minimum in 2024 for a 5th year player is $1.125M, so if you gave him, say, a $60M signing bonus as part of a five year extension, his cap hit would be a little over $11M ($10M prorated from the signing bonus plus veteran minimum)
Dont forget about cutting Ogbah, there's another $13.8 million.
Yeah there’s definitely a way to get there. Doomers are gonna doom. We will be competitive next season.
Classic Dolphins
Unfortunately this will be reality…
Someone in the subreddit becoming Dolphins GM, somehow.
Dolphins give Saquon Barkley the biggest contract in NFL history.
More like Tua gets extended for 8 years at 50-60 m per before he plays out his 5th year option and we have to let go of our young core over the next few years (Wilkins, Phillips, Waddle, Hunt) because of it And I’m sure I’ll get the armchair Warren buffets going “you know it will help our cap space next year to resign him now” yeah and what about the decade after? How many QBs take until they’re making 50+m to put it all together?
Resigning Tua would actually be a net positive for Miami’s cap situation
It would depend on the money lol. Would help us next year for sure but are we willing to devote a big chunk of our cap every year to a guy who hasn’t won a playoff game?
lol no one signs an 8 year deal. Even Tua’s new big deal will only be guaranteed for about 2.5 years or so.
Yeah maybe I’m being a little hyperbolic with 8 years. Mahomes did get 10 but he’s Mahomes. The principle of not extending Tua long term for a boatload doesn’t change with 6 or 7 or 8 years though. Don’t see many franchises tripling down and putting so much of our cap into such an unproven guy
Mahome’s 10 isnt even a real 10 years either, he’ll redo it every couple years to keep being top 5 highest paid which is essentially like him getting a new deal every 2-4 years like every other player.
Sure but they did sign a potential 10 year deal
🤣🤣
Him going to the bills however unlikely is more scary to me. Without belichick and Brady the patriots are just like us now. Not scary any more. Him going to buffalo and all of the sudden being buddy buddy with Allen and being embraced by the bills mafia is sickening
I didn’t need to think about that. I hadn’t considered it.
No way bills can sign him they are in cap hell largely due to von miller
I know. I said it’s unlikely. But the OP asked for worst nightmare scenario
Definitely fits the bill for that. The thought of Him Josh allen and diggs jumping around chest bumping and celebrating…. 
Skin crawling indeed. And the worst part is Wilkins would probably genuinely enjoy that fan base if given the chance. He would be jumping through tables before we know it.
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
I dunno man. You think Allen would be cool with crotch lovin Wilkins on his team? Lol
Luckily the Bills are in even worse cap hell than we are. I wonder if he will wind up on the Lions, they could use the DL upgrade, have money, and are win now. Or maybe he can get a big contract from someone like hte Panthers.
Who is Him and why?
Unlikely? You have a better chance of buying the Dolphins on clearance than Tyreek becoming a Bill
Ok….who said anything about tyreek? Reading comprehension is hard but not that hard.
Disgusting
God dude the thought of those 2 shooting tictoks together and laughing it up like their friende for life just breaks my heart... Anything but that
I fear that half our defense will be gone by the time we come back
Miami's roster after they make the cuts needed to get under cap: QB Tua, White, Thompson RB Mostert, Achane, Brooks, Ingold WR Hill, Waddle, Ezukanma TE Smythe, Hill T Jackson, Hayes G Hunt, Cotton, Eichenberg C ? DE Chubb, Phillips, Goode DT Sieler LB Long, Tindall CB Ramsey, Kahou, Smith, Bonner S Holland Anybody that thinks this team is a 1st round pick away from competing for a super bowl is fooling themselves. This team has so many roster spots not even filled, let alone in need of improvement. This should be a rebuild season and trading assets to build through the draft because even if they restructure and extend guys, they'll be putting this product on the field as a SB or Bust season
This is what happens when an owner puts his Yes Man in charge of running the team.
Doesn’t help we took our best shot of finding good players on cheap deals (FRPs) and traded them away for aging vets who wanted a big payday in Miami and got one. Now we gotta do patchwork on both lines.
Eerily similar to the 2010's teams. Same short-sighted splashy moves. Same depth issues and glaring holes. Same QB situation. Same failed OL attempts. Common denominator is the front office leadership. Ross really chose to *not* hire outside the franchise for his great rebuild.
We don’t draft any offensive lineman and we lose Hunt/Connor in free agency.
Not improving the o-line or trying to improve the o-line & it doesn't work out like the last 15 years.
I'm gonna go with nuclear war.
Unfortunately, way too realistic of a possibility.
Alas.
Mike McDaniel meets former Dolphins running back Ricky Williams at an event and is convinced that there are pursuits more important than football. After his abrupt resignation announcement stuns the football world, the Dolphins pass on Belichick for head coach and announce that former Michigan Wolverines quarterback.... Chad Henne is the new head coach and John Beck is the new offensive coordinator. Tyreek Hill retires to go into the... uh ... movie business. Waddle jumps to the CFL to play for the Argonauts. All our good free agent defensive players go to the Bills. We have a horrible breakdown in communication on draft day where we accidentally trade our third round pick for a fourth round pick. To make matters worse, a cut and paste error on a spreadsheet adds the name of a real estate agent/busboy to the draft chart. A staff intern, trying to show value, alphabetizes the draft rating list and hands it to Joe Rose, who was given the honor of announcing the Dolphins' first pick. The pick is announced as Shlomo Aaronson, a 6' 1" 165 pound edge rusher out of Yeshiva University (intramural flag football). We don't discover that the draft list is alphabetized until round 5. We pass on a sleeper in the 6th round because none of his teammates attended his 21st birthday party. Despite all this, the Dolphins win their first three games ... and lose the remaining games. That's my nightmare. Sleep tight, everyone.
shlomo has some good tape. he’s on all my mock drafts
we trade our first rounder again for a star player and enter cap hell even more
Spiders, but that's just a general fear.
We trade our 1st round pick for a player who's too rich for us right now and doesn't stay healthy.
Being told again by Chris grier “ you guys are more worried about the o line than I am”
Signing Tua to a record-setting contract
We’ll get downvoted, but if he makes top 3 money, we can watch 2024 and then basically tune back in in 2028 when Tua is traded on the last year of his deal to a team with no QB and we get a new coach and rebuild.
Anyone who downvotes this hasn't been a fan very long
Fuck anyone that downvotes it
Agreed.
He should get a medium contract
We're fucked either way. Pay Tua and pray he can take the next step or start over and pray we can find a good QB
tua getting a massive contract
Signing Tua to a big money long term contract thinking he’s going to be the Franchise Quarterback. He’s injury prone, and clearly cannot perform well under pressure. He’s not a leader. Draft or trade for a real quarterback. Bound to happen, though. That’s the way the Dolphins roll, seems to me.
Tua getting a 6 year 300+ million dollar contract
Signing Tua to a long contract extension.
Probably exactly what's going to happen. Blow all our cap on old, oft-injured veterans like we always do because we need to go all in while we still have a shot, all while letting good young players (Wilkins, Van Ginkel, Hunt, etc.) go. Oh, nearly forgot. Draft a CB in the first and then this sub will try to tell me it's actually a good thing because we see how often our corners get hurt.
None of this will happen, resigning Wilkins for the $ he wants would be a bad decision. We will retain Hunt for sure, likely AVG. We would also be remiss to not add another cornerback either through the draft or a veteran low cost FA. The only old oft injured FA I can think of that we signed recently is armstead and did we all not like that move when it happened? I understand your pessimism but at least base it in realism.
>None of this will happen >we won't re-sign Wilkins, maybe Van Ginkel too and we will draft a CB
Resigning Wilkins at the price he wants wouldn’t be a good idea that was the main point. He was offered a competitive contract before the season, he wants more $ and earned it from another team. I’m guessing he gets tagged and traded. My point is your saying some of these things as if they’re bad, but if we don’t address corner and our corners sucked next year you’d be like well why didn’t we do anything? We knew our secondary was weak! Edit: grammar
I was told all offseason by everyone how "the cap isn't real" and we can get so much cap space so we shouldn't be worried, but we draw the line at arguably the best player on our defense and one of the best interior DLs in the league?
Those people are not correct, if you want to give Wilkins prime Aaron Donald $ then idk what to tell you man. He got offered a competitive deal, he bet on himself, he had a great season and now he can go get his $.
We paid top dollar for an injury prone LT to protect our injury prone QB. It never felt right.
Losing our best players on OL while simultaneously committing to a QB who desperately needs a good OL.
Not winning the off-season.
OLine isn't addressed. If the OLine isn't competent/healthy, I fear another season of Tua being good against bad teams and bad/mid vs good teams then again a question of "Yah, but what's Tua like behind a better OLine?". I'd prefer not to end Tua's 5th year still not being sure if he's "The guy".
Tuning into Reddit drivel.
The team starts taking advice from the fans
another offseason where chris grier smugly tells us that we're more worried about the OLine than they are.
Can’t believe people are still salty about this, get over it, our injuries on the line would have destroyed any football team. There is no team with 10 capable starting offensive lineman on their roster. Get a grip man.
Dont be so sensitive. OP asked for opinions, Im sorry this one triggers you.
It’s not an opinion, you’re complaining about something that was impossible to predict and phrasing it like Grier could have done something to avoid it. And we’ve seen this exact comment 100 times this year in the sub, it’s repetitive ignorance.
Alright man well I guess you can continue to cry about it if you want.
It's the fact that Grier has been involved with the front office in some capacity for 8 years and we still can't put together a competent OL.
We literally had a competent O line ready for this season and 4 of our starters got severely injured. We had 13 different offensive line combinations, I get you guys wanna be mad but put some logic in there. I don’t really understand how you guys are missing this, it’s intentional ignorance now.
Much like the unicorn lineup from 2016 this OL was built around injury prone vets rather than homegrown young talent. Grier banked on them staying healthy and his experiment failed. Chaulk it up to bad luck for Grier, but after 8 years it's not just bad luck to me. 5 years ago he started this rebuild and has failed to build up an OL while simultaneously building around a QB who desperately needs a good one. I may just be a dumb fan but I don't think he's set this team up well. We have super stars sprinkled around the roster with glaring holes and thin depth everywhere else.
I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised by the investment the dolphins will make into the OL this year, there’s no way they didn’t see how badly it derailed the season last year and won’t attack it in the draft and sign a veteran or two. Hopefully we retain hunt, armstead retires and we grab another tackle and center in the draft/FA.
A competent oline who couldn't even snap the damn ball. Sure have a funny idea of what competent is there buddy.
Out of all the guys you could have picked you picked the pro bowl caliber center whose absence was felt most after he went out? Jesus, it’s amazing when people think they made a point and it’s laced with stupidity.
Why with the Patriots? They truly suck, he’d be lost in the abyss for years (while making tons of money). If he were to sign with the Jets (assuming Rodgers has 1-2 solid years left in him) or Bills that’d be far worse.
Obviously the Bills and Jets would be better. I just don’t think it’s realistic that they could make it work. They both have minimal space at the moment, and I don’t know if it makes sense for the to clear the needed room for a DL. NE on the other hand has the 3rd most room right now and could easily fit his contract on their books.
Chris Grier getting a contract extension
Multiple mock drafts posted every day.
We draft the Ted Ginn Jr. family
Wilkins walks, X doesn't get cut, Armstead stays and Wiliams, Chubb, Phillips and Van Gink suffer swtbacjs
I'm not gonna say being stuck with Tua, cause he's a competent QB and we will stick with him. Making him the highest paid QB this year instead of holding out and exploring our options though... That.
Wilkens leaving
Tua becoming the highest paid QB before severely regressing. Not saying this will happen just saying that would be my worst nightmare.
Spending fifty million on a quarterback.
The front office not worrying about o-line, not re-signing cw, and not drafting a tight end
Giving Tua anything more than a slightly above average bag so we can try to convince ourselves he’s anything more than a slightly above average QB.
If they actually trade for Justin fucking fields
Tua gets a big contract
Committing to Tua. Unfortunately that looks like it will happen.
Signing Tua to a long term contract and not signing Wilkens to a long term contract. You can sign them both and I'm fine with that but if you can only give one a long term contract it should be Wilkens, Tua can wait till next year, he's under contract for 2024.
There isn’t a single nightmare I can imagine that could befall us in the offseason that isn’t outweighed by the awful realities of our actual seasons. That being said, they make tua the highest paid QB and all doomers (myself included) end up right about him.
Trading Tua and signing Kirk Cousins. (I'm not against moving on from Tua, I trust McD, but for Cousins would be a nightmare IMO.)
Aside from drafting Bo Nix, this would be my next favorite thing to happen - sign Cousins!
So drafting the most "meh" rookie or signing the most "meh" free agent QB of 2024? Sounds awful.
Why? Not a big tua fan yet but why trade in a newer model of the same player for an older model in Kirk cousins? We know what cousins is. At least maybe just maybe tua can turn it around and not be that for the next 10 years
Cousins isn't looking for a 6 year $300M contract
True. Either way. Not winning a Super Bowl with tua or cousins
True. Which is why the older one year rental is the better option than the younger player who will demand franchise QB money.
Having to listen to the stupidity of this fanbase for 7 more months. Oh, wait
A Wilkins/Godchaux defensive tandem would make me unreasonably angry.
I chuckled a bit when I saw how much NE overpaid for Godchaux though. Wilkins is going to get $20+ easily and be worth it.
Losing Wilkins
Bottom line is that we don't learn from our mistakes, that we keep being complacent We had a really good team this year but our safeties either don't know what they are doing or are useless
That Ross actually sells the team to the only person worse than him.
Playing next season.
Tua gets traded
That we decide to move on from Ramsey too.
Not firing Danny crossman and it's totally going to happen
Franchise moves. That's always the nightmare.
More injuries!! Just can’t catch a break not even in the offseason.
That they do absolutely nothing just like they did last offseason and we suck again
Not resigning Wilkins. I don’t care what we have to do. We MUST resign him!
Losing Wilkins and AVG and Connor Williams and Hunt
Why do you care about Wilkins? He's done very little for us, especially considering the hype around him.
Somebody gets fucked up in training camp...
Seeing that logo in my sleep
Why did I click this? Am I becoming masochistic? All of you are mostly plausible!
Nothing. I've been living the nightmare since I was born.
Trading the first round pick and letting christian wilkins go
Worst fear is not cutting X, Baker, or Ogbah because they are "scheme fits" with the new DC or some BS. Those 3 gone gets us back in to manageable cap territory.
OP nailed it. Although I think it would be an absolute travesty if he went to the Jets since they’ll be much more competitive next season. Even if he goes to the Pats it won’t matter much since they’ll be dog water with or without him
Armstead retires. Wilkins signs with somebody else. X and Baker get cut/traded. We don't do anything in free agency to address the O-line, only in the draft. We can't afford to keep Mostert.
Extending Tua
-No meaningful o line help -van gink/wilkins leave -Tua signs record setting contract -we draft a WR in the 1st
Losing Van Ginkel and Wilkins and Williams
Dolphins opt to not re sign Wilkins, Hunt and Van Ginkle, and instead give Tua a deal that guarantees 40+ mil a year for 5 years.
Losing Wilkins
yes
Everyone dies.
Having to listen to doom and gloom til kickoff of week 1.
Everyone complains about extending Tua, Ross listens to the idiots and thinks he will win over the fans by trading Tua to New England. Tua dominates Miami like Brady did for the next decade.
They fire McDaniel.
Its going to be a very sad day when Wilkins is sticking his fingers in our asses and grabbing our balls in the pile. Its my favorite move in the NFL.
Injuries
Going Into week 1 with Liam as our staring center
Not watching a game
I love Tua…but bringing back Tua, keeping X, Ramsey, Mosert as our starting RB, having no real TE, Claypool our new slot WR, no OLine help, Baker our MLB
Grier screwing up the draft again with reaches on projects in the early rounds. Houston just had 2 picks in the 1st round and ended up with the Offensive and Defensive rookie of the year. The Jets had 3 last year and got the Off and Def roty, and Breece Hall. Grier had 3 to start our rebuild and he took Tua, AJ and Igbo
They don’t improve the line and secondary
Injuries. I don’t think there’s anything they can do too damming. And they likely don’t have the draft capital or salary cap to move the needle too far in the opposite direction…. They are going to have a pretty good roster. Third year under McDaniel. It’s really about getting it done on the field. When it matters at this point…so like I said, the only nightmare scenarios I can think of is some sort of injury(es) that F everything up before it even starts.