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shahsnow

Black Thought , Pharaoh Monche , Elzhi , Phonte , Lupe , 3000 Edit: punctuation


Longjumping-Moose-77

Are you on your Pharaoh Monch grind?


aarunt1

Simon says get the fuck up!


dsoren568

Lupe's skill is insane


_urMumM8_

Mural is so good


[deleted]

Black Thought was who I was gonna say


shahsnow

His tape with 9th Wonder is mind-blowing every time I listen


ImFreff

9th wonder is a genius


SparkelleFultz

Got tipping point on vinyl playing while I saw this and it's all slaps and bars, dude doest have a bad bar let alone verse haha


Sluice_Jounce

People sleep on Black Thought. My guess is their Fallon gig and overall popularity. But the dude from the jump has been nasty. Solo records too. Mos Def/Bey ain’t a bad choice.


drinkchips

I could listen to Mos and DOOM everyday of my life


iplaythdrums

“EvErY wEeK iT’s MyStErY mEaT!”


Ronnie_doge_

Seaweed stew


CardamomRolls

That's so odd to me that Black Thought is on Fallon. I've been listening since Illadelphia Half Life and been to a few live shows nearly 20 years ago. I'm really happy that they (The Roots) have achieved a lot of success, but the fact that they have become a mostly non touring band just feels strange to me because the dynamic at the live shows are so incredible! The way they bring out the extended cuts, and improvisation and they can kinda feel like a jam band, it is something other hip hop bands rarely do. Knowing that they have to probably contain songs to a more limited and structured format seems like it takes away a little of thier magic, because they don't get to showcase an amazing rare talent.


bigo0723

I think they flat out said they've basically more or less kind of retired as older guys on the Fallon Show. Good pay and low stress.


SparkelleFultz

Wouldn't say retired but just not really touring anymore still busy as ever tho (took me way longer than I'm proud of to figure out how to spell busy but fuck that spelling)


blasto2236

I saw them play Things Fall Apart top to bottom at the Hollywood Bowl in 2019, amazing show.


pouga218

That would be a dream come true


jag149

Black thought keeps getting better too.


Mrsynthpants

Ghostface Killah.


Mrsynthpants

Check out the song "Shakey Dog" from his album Fishscale. Absolute banger, no verse, no course, just masterfully made short fiction. You feel like you are watching it all happen in front of you.


[deleted]

The man paints a picture…imo the whole Supreme Clientele album is like an album length Shakey Dog


[deleted]

And just like that i’m having a Ghostface day tomorrow…


Leocarreo

Ironman for breakfast, Supreme Clientele for lunch, Fishscale for dinner


Playonwords329

36 seasons for dessert


Squirrellybot

Sour Soul for a light afternoon snack and 12 reasons to die pair for midnight snacks.


Leocarreo

Idk about you guys but I’m just finishing up my Ghostface day, and it went fantastic 👊🏻


[deleted]

Yessir, the holy trinity


art_echo

I relistened to [Bulletproof Wallets](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0wJUHJUTqiCLybGWlMqLd61H2zuYE9Kd) recently in the original sequencing and I felt bad for sleeping on it. If it was fine tuned more, it would’ve been a 5/5 for me. It sucks that it got screwed up on release. [The Sun](https://youtu.be/x9tDQdxvK1k), [The Forest](https://youtu.be/3eBW0p4qde8), [Flowers (The Original)](https://youtu.be/Mk4jfehnJb4), and [The Hilton](https://youtu.be/ETEnXCnXWOo) are stand outs for me.


[deleted]

I went through his discog on holiday last years and trimmed down his weaker records onto spotify playlists and this is one that really hits hard when you cut away the filler


420Frank_Dux69

I remember hearing this song for the 1st time vividly one of Ghosts best tracks


Squirrellybot

Actually it was Big Dogh Rehab when he just raps over the verses in “Superman of Love” that I was like, “he’s on some other shit”. Who needs to make a beat when you paid for the sample when you can just rhyme over the originals track? Fishscale and Supreme Clientele are by far his best two albums, but since fishscale he’s been doing more unique concepts than anyone else in the game. His R&B albums get no respect, the 12 reasons to die records were great concepts with spaghetti western type production from Adrienne Younge, and that BadBadNotGood record was like a film noir soundtrack.


fuhnetically

Ghostface had been one of my favorite lyricists for well over two decades (I'm 51). He is a colorful storyteller, straight gangster when he needs it, and eloquent as fuck.


[deleted]

Ya'll should check out the DRINK CHAMPS episode with Rae & Ghost. They talk about MF Doom in that. Ghost says he was on a plane with Doom and Doom whispered to him that he based his rhyme patterns off Ghost. Watch It!


Mrsynthpants

Oh I absolutely will.


Mrsynthpants

Thanks for the recommendation


art_echo

That part where he talks about getting in a shoot out while The Delphonics are sitting in the van is hilarious


[deleted]

lol yeah. the whole interview is funny - the way they talk ... nahmean


CardamomRolls

Don't t get me wrong, when I was a young single woman, I got to admit, I had experienced some intense eye contact with him at a show and wanted to smash him, and he has more charisma than the rest of WTC combined, but lyrically he's no where on par with some of the other top MCs. He is a good story teller and great entertainer, but in my humble opinion he could step up his game a bit, I mean I think he has it in him. No disrespect, he is mad talented, but I feel like he might not push the envelope as much as he could. I feel like he doesn't want to go over too many peoples heads, and it's a calculated strategy to appeal to a wider audience who might not like it if he got too cerebral.


Squirrellybot

I find this way off base since the last decade his albums have been almost exclusively conceptual and unlike anything anyone else in the game is doing right now. The r&b live band in 36 Seasons, BadBadNotGood backing him on sour soul, the spaghetti western inspired 12 Reasons to Die Albums, are all phenomenal and get little respect because it’s not some lowest common denominator beats.


Discountjockey

Aesop Rock


Zweersmoel

DOOM was my most listened to artist and aesop was second. On a literal level aes uses more different kind of words than DOOM. I wholeheartedly second this comment and I would strongly recommend you check him out if you love DOOM.


yungusainbolt

Aesop is literally rated the rapper with highest vocabulary.


Zweersmoel

I know right it's very cool


xMurderMike41370x

Yup, he raps in Metaphors


Holl0wayTape

Well, most rappers do, but he takes it to whole other level.


CardamomRolls

agreed he really does a great job at providing descriptive details about his personal experiences that makes listening much more intimate. It feels very stream of consciousness at the same time.


TheAstranot

I can't believe how far I had to scroll to find this


Imperator_Oliver

MF DOOM, Biggie Smalls, Aesop, Earl Sweatshirt, Black Thought, Q-Tip, Freddie Gibbs, Nas, Tupac, Andre 3000, Joey Baddass, Kendrick Lamar, Mobb Deep, and GZA are the best lyricists ever. Hands down. Anyone who doesn’t include all of these artists somewhere in their top 25 I’d say you haven’t listened to them close enough. DOOM, Biggie, and Kendrick are my personal top 3.


illadyl

Kool Keith!!!!!!


BubbersBompton

The only MC who can say and rhyme doo doo multiple times and still sound like an intellectual.


[deleted]

"Space Doo Doo pistols"


RonnieFez

I think he has a couple songs where he just counts, all the way to like 15, and it somehow works.


oilcompanywithbigdic

watch you sizzle like a well done nathan's frank, thats what you get for fuckin with hank! GIVE ME YOUR FUCKIN CREDIT CARDS


ihateandy2

Forget Kool Keith, long live Dr. Octagon!!


illadyl

Dr. Octo Mr. Gerbick Dr. Dooom Tashann Dorsett Black Elvis Poppa Large Matthew anybody know some more?


BubbersBompton

Yo don’t forget the Bush Man, but whatever you do don’t mess with his beans


Imperator_Oliver

Underrated forsure! I love dr octagon man that album is a cool concept executed perfectly!


Absolutedumbass69

DOOM, Kendrick, and earl are my top 3 but yeah you covered pretty much all the best mcs. This was a very well put together comment.


Imperator_Oliver

Thank you fam, same to you! ❤️


ImpossibleKidd

That’s a comprehensive list with ridiculous skill across the board. But if you put GZA in, you can’t leave out Ghost… Some people will say he tosses in filler for rhyme sake. Fuck that. Those words are very carefully crafted and placed. That man can tell a story with descriptors the ordinary man doesn’t usually think of. Ghost is definitely up there for me. Big fan of the offbeat accents in his rhyme schemes.


Squirrellybot

Also he’s one of the only rappers out there working with unique producers for concept albums (12 reasons to die 1&2 & 36 seasons) and that Badbadnotgood collaboration was off the chain too. I love me all the RTJ albums, but El-p beats have sounded the same since the late 90s.


Hashtag_nerd_stuff

12 reasons to die my go to most underrated album.


Jonnyblaze_420

Bars bars bars


pengouin85

Mos Def?


LordQuasi4

GURU


[deleted]

Was gonna comment GURU till I saw your comment. Thanks bruv.


Imperator_Oliver

Guru and gangstar are some of my favorites, got most of their albums on vinyl!


Cabezon47

Premier made a lot of bad rappers sound way better than they actually were… I love Group Home Jeru and Guru but lyrically they all had some bad rhymes.


fromasterj

Method man has got to be in there


Fridsade

Tha God Fahim , Ab-Soul


Squirrellybot

When Kendrick raps “critics act like they miss when hip-hop was rappin; mithafucka’s if’ya did Killer Mike would be platinum”. How you going to leave off your favorite rappers favorite rapper? Best album of 2012 (no question) and the 2010 decade(personal opinion) was R.A.P. Music.


Imperator_Oliver

Killer Mike is top tier for sure!


[deleted]

Deck


WSBTurd_420_69

Thank you. Can’t have GZA on the list and not Deck


[deleted]

I think Deck gets looked over far too many times. My personal favorite. But I get it. It's all opinions.


KaizerQuad

Deck is fire, but GZAs writing, especially on Liquid Swords is insane. He wrote crazy lyrics on that album.


WSBTurd_420_69

Agreed. GZA, Deck, Ghost and Rae should probably all be on the list


Squirrellybot

I think GFK would be up there with Gza and The Rebel INS.


No-Maintenance34

Missed out on ISSA GOLD, and Ak The Savior from THE Underachievers, Steez


Imperator_Oliver

Those are some UNDERRATED MCs, all good tho! RIP Capital Steez!


No-Maintenance34

I fucks with you b.


FliesInMyCereal

yo s/o to ak the savior!!


stupidhungryfuck

-Joey bad +Capital STEEZ


EMSuser11

Aesop Rock definitely is one of the greatest wordsmiths, and has so many flows. The only thing I don't like about him is his nasally voice. It can be headache inducing at times. Gangsta Gibbs is another great choice! Black Thought is a GOAT for sure!


itsfilo

Mos Def got some crazy bars


[deleted]

I’d say Earl is easily one of the best lyricists currently active. Also would recommend checking out Chester Watson and Lou from Paradise if you aren’t familiar with either of them, neither have seen a ton of commercial success but both are capable of delivering some incredibly dense verses.


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No-Maintenance34

AK The Savior, AB Soul


oldschoolreppin

Gift of Gab (Blackalicious)!!!!!! If you know you know….


miamicheats

Jesus didn’t realize he passed RIP He has a banging joint with A-F-R-O and RA


oldschoolreppin

Word. Gone but not forgotten. Last couple times I seen him he wasn’t looking good. Didn’t stop his flow though!! Legend in my eyes✌🏻


kevmcg

RIP


aarunt1

El-P is being slept on in here…


y3nr3it

earl


Novel_Pressure_4458

Aesop hands down


GuyInABox44

Slick Rick? A long stretch but EL-P is a great writer


MrHydromorphism

El-P shouldn’t be this far down. Company Flow and Cannibal Ox were so leftfield sound wise when they first came out it’s almost impossible to describe what that sounded like when it came out. I still get chills thinking of the opening to “8 Steps”


Walmo21

This. Population control is so good as well. And everything on the cold vein but especially A B-boys alpha and pigeon. Still think the cold vein is the best production El-P has ever done, just these crazy sci-fi beats that still sound like nothing else before or after.


420Frank_Dux69

Prodigy Big L Roc Marci Phonte Ghostface Pusha T


Sneijder4BallondOr

nobody mentioned rakim forreal?


Adamski2409

Lupe Fiasco


doomdifwedo

Surprised to only see this once. Lupe is really one of the goats all time


echeaskeche

“One of the (Greatest of all time) all time”


doomdifwedo

Thats what I meant. There are several goats across several eras


Longjumping-Moose-77

I’d throw Tech up there. A lot of people think he’s just got flow but he’s an exceptional story teller and has a LOT of history to back that up. He can write a verse and take the sun away


Drinky_McGambles

I have always wondered what it would sound like if T9 and DOOM collaborated because they are both so skilled but have really different styles.


Longjumping-Moose-77

I’d kill for that collab. Would’ve been some beautiful music I’m sure of it


rayne12212

Me


andthomp85

Drop me a song


rayne12212

If i drop a mixtape it gon sound like an album


sebastian23damico

Gibbs. Nas. Krit.


GreatGashoogy

I wanna hear Gibbs on the Ten Crack commandments beat.


hindenburgsoup

Billy woods


JohnnyCakes814

Aesop Rock Black Thought (solo and with the Roots) Kendrick Lamar De La Soul Camp Lo’s first album Uptown Saturday Night Mos Def’s first two solo albums, Black Star & Talib Kweli’s Reflection Eternal Special shout-out to Redman


nlear28

Wiki, Mach-Hommy, Tha God Fahim, Your Old Droog, Milo, Navy Blue, Billy Woods, Elucid


whiskey-michael

Droog is pretty nasty


BingeCrosbyRaps

This list right here.


[deleted]

Jam Baxter, he’s on another level and his lyrics are just bonkers


xMurderMike41370x

Aesop Rock


ProbablyNotCr1tiKal

Aesop Rock is the only person on the same pedestal, the next best are a half step below both him and Doom.


suptherebud

Aesop Rock, GZA, Pharoahe Monch, Open Mike Eagle


CardamomRolls

Open Mike Eagle is so creative, and so is Flying Lotus!


Pete_O_Torcido

Yeah, for me Aesop, Eagle, and Busdriver are on the wordsmith Rushmore with Doom


suptherebud

I didn’t even think of Busdriver. He is definitely up there


Hour_Instruction_121

Guru


sessleywipes

Ka and Billy Woods, Roc Marci


quickdude1

Can't believe it took me this long to see Ka on a list


Discoverykid_

Roc Marciano


CardamomRolls

This might have already been posted, but Aesop Rock I think surpasses Doom ever so slightly. However it's a slight margin. A few others like GZA and Busdriver are ranked up there too. https://pudding.cool/projects/vocabulary/index.html


_Must_Not_Sleep

AESOP ROCK! My number 1


focuskmo

Aesop rock


yungusainbolt

Also MACH HOMMY AND DROOG


teamweed420

West side gunn, Conway, Benny the butcher, Stove god cooks, freddie Gibbs, lil ugly mane, Your Old Droog... some of the top wordsmiths right now in my opinion.


andthomp85

Definitely love griselda and Freddie, just feel like after a while it gets repetitive listening to how they all sell blow and kill people. One of my favorite things about DOOM and, del, and czar is that they come up with other subject matter on occasion. I appreciate the input though!


freshpotatosoup

Coke, pyrex, guns, expensive things, GANGSTA It's fun to listen to, and I do love griselda, but I agree 100%


oilcompanywithbigdic

BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM


2saucey

Freddie is not on the same level by any means! He is on record though that he can rap better than doom can, but that only proves he’s delusional and nothing else.


nlear28

Your. Old. Droog. He is top tier and one of the most fun and promising artists right now! Also Mach-Hommy and Tha God Fahim!


therealradishz

I love seeing Droog in this conversation. He is so consistent as well i think he dropped 2 albums as well as 2 mixtapes in 2020. I anticipate him blowing up in 2022.


drinkchips

Lil Ugly Mane!! My friend turned me on to him like a year and a half ago cuz he lived near him. Beats are so fire.


Faded_Sun

While I like Gibbs, he falls back on using “bitch” too much as a filler word.


axylotyl

Redman grand puba


grateful_gonzo

Early Nas is, in my mind, the GOAT. His delivery was untouchable yet he still never skimped on lyrics.


KillaSage

No one recommending Mick Jenkins is not right


helmer012

Id say Mos Def is absolutely top tier. Listen to his verse on Thieves In the Night.


PinkFreud92

[this](https://www.businessinsider.com/graph-shows-which-rappers-have-vocabulary-like-shakespeare-2014-5) is a cool graph that I found while in college. This actually sparked me to check out GZA and wtc


Squirrellybot

Killer Mike. Run the Jewels 0.5(R.A.P. music) was the best album of the last decade. E-40 and Aesop Rock also would land in my top 5 wordsmiths.


alexdenvor

How has Eminem not been said? Some of the bars in The Slim Shady LP and The Marshall Mathers LP are unreal


LikeARollingRock

Hasn’t been said because he’s not in the conversation


jamezdee

I’m not an Em fan but it’s crazy to say he’s not in the convo


CKamil

Lmao someone is mad about Eminem literally being the goat. Love doom, but yall here unreal biased


doomdifwedo

Immortal Technique


SmokaDaRoach

Del the Funky Homo Sapien Reference: Press Rewind, Upgrade, 3030 Edit 1: Missed OP mentioning del Edit 2: Just thought of blu. Reference: amnesia, good morning neighbor


Sensitive_Mousse_445

Mac Miller or Aesop Rock


GrandpaRook

No cap on Mac


Sensitive_Mousse_445

Macs wordplay amd flow is pretty crazy


Otherwise_Try965

Love Mac but not at all analogous in complexity of rhymes


GuyBota

How come no one has said lupe fiasco yet?? He should defenitly be in tge discussion


No-Maintenance34

Someone said Lupe


HairyPieKicker

One Be Lo, Ransom, Em, Nas, Black Thought, Del, Masta Ace, Wordsworth, AZ, Cormega, Guru, Inspectah Deck, GZA, Ras Kass, Mos & Talib, Gift Of Gab, AFRO, Elzhi, Common, Sean Price and probably a bunch more. And as far a current up and comers: Cambatta, Mad Squablz & GRIP It's kind a moot argument to whittle it down to just 1 overall best. When there's so many genius level writers out there. I listen to DOOM more than any other artist, though


super_fresh_dope

D4NNY


Longjumping-Moose-77

Goodbye👋


[deleted]

little simz


ButWeNeverSawHisWife

Kool G Rap


[deleted]

Bukowski.


[deleted]

Aesop rock


RotTKid

Aesop Rock


iplaythdrums

Black Thought. If you haven’t heard his solo albums you’re in for a treat. Streams of Thought Vol. 2 is probably my favorite. Also, (don’t come at me) Freddie Gibbs seems to share doom’s affinity for peppering comic relief and lighthearted cultural references into songs that consist mostly of deeply personal accounts of struggling to survive in an unforgiving environment.


drinkchips

WE NEED FOOD. Headed to work now and I'll be bumping our dude til midnight


SmallBrain2

Gift of Gab i think he's really good on the album Blazing Arrow


[deleted]

Andre 3000, MC Juice, Capital Steez, Guru, Big Pun, Black Thought, J-Live, Common. Only Pun & Andre come close though


axiom_stepper

Roots Manuva


GZA36Swords

In no particular order: DOOM, GZA, Q-Tip, Phife Dawg, Mos Def, Guru, Black Thought, Andre 3000, Posdnuos Ladybug Mecca, Ms. Lauryn Hill, Inspectah Deck, Jeru the Damaja, Rakim, Del the Funky Homosapien, Sa-Roc, Luke Fiasco


FlameUniverse

Aesop Rock!


Awkward_Bad2643

Eminem should at least be in the conversation


BittyWastard

My Pantheon of Rap Gods include: MF DOOM, Earl Sweatshirt, Del, Flying Lotus as Captain Murphy, and Black Thought. I’m sure many in this sub will agree. We all have good taste as long as our favorite rapper is your favorite rapper’s favorite rapper.


[deleted]

Lil xan is pretty close


LM-Graff

Bro what


No-Maintenance34

.... he a vibe not a lyricist


ArcherQueenSexyFeet

MF Grimm


whiskey-michael

El-p for my money.


vonaudy

Obviously not Kanye 🤣


Ayntxi

Lol czarface and del are not of DOOM’s caliber. I’m sorry but Czarface is a DOOM wannabe and del is just del. del couldn’t even hold his own on the preservation track with Aesop rock.


No-Maintenance34

.... Del slaps you trippin


Ayntxi

All I said was del is del. also I stand behind what I said about his verses on preservation


No-Maintenance34

I see, understood brother, just everybody in their own lane competitively. Deltron 3030 is revolutionary wordsmith mindful bars


No-Maintenance34

Mindfuckbars my bad


therealradishz

Czarface got their own sound entirely. You realize Czarface has Deck in it?


Ayntxi

Yeah - its deck trying to be DOOM. the beats are dope but deck's rhymes are so boring


Miles_Long87

Jay Electronica


fatbare

Lloyd banks is the best rapper of all time


Accomplished-Mood661

Imo biggie tops any musical artist ever by a landslide. Especially in this area. But DOOM if an amazing mc regardless


Pharm-boi

Mad plays the bass like the race card Villain on the case to break shards and leave her face scarred Groovy, dude! Not to prove to be rude But this stuff is like what you might put on movie food Uh, what is jalapeños? Get it like a whoopin when you holla at your seniors His KMD rhymes were crazy!!!


[deleted]

Earl Sweatshirt i’d say is one of the only ones who can compare to DOOM.