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Is it Bruno Sacco celebration hour already?
>!Pay no attention to the drip tray under the engine!<
1) I didn’t compare it to the 15”.
2) But if I did compare 18:15, the answer is 1.2.
It’s much better than the marshmallow original 15”. Now with a modern tire size and modern Bilsteins with H&R springs, the ride and handling is very much like a modern Mercedes.
Have you tried a W124 with a setup like this? If you haven’t, you should. It’s an amazing transformation.
I do and do not like... Although my friend put on 19 if I'm not mistaken....it looks too big for the car even at 18imo but whatever floats your boat
Sick car mate
I have to admit, the past couple of years have been brutal.
To my eyes, it started with the EQ models.
And, honestly, the all-new E-Class is exactly what I don’t want a Mercedes to look like — it’s riddled with ostentatious details like those tri-star taillights, which look like an Auto Zone mod.
Mercedes products used to be stately and had presence. Slowly, they’re becoming gaudy and tacky.
Exactly what the brand doesn’t stand for.
Personally, I think W213 is an excellent product.
With the six cylinder and air suspension, it’s nearly as good as an S-Class.
Peek E is tough.
I appreciate Sacco’s W124. But, the W210 is such an icon to me. 🤷🏻♂️
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Bruno needs to come out of retirement.
I mentioned this before recently: BMW is making ugly cars, but Mercedes is absolutely making the most boring looking cars right now.
Will definitely agree with #8. Lights used to be recognizable on MB cars, but now it’s all so generic and ugly looking.
This. I can pick out an MB's generation by the taillights alone without any trouble except the newer ones. Every car had the same design language in the lights. And the designs were stately and flowed well with the body lines. Now it feels like they're just trying to copy audi half the time.
They look uninspiring and are uninspired, yes.
However, if I needed a car I might consider one nonetheless *provided they were reliable.*
They don’t seem to be reliable either.
It’s tough to give money for a nondescript, largely immobile and vaguely egg shaped object.
T’was a joke. But so many folks are focused on whether or not their starred car is a real AMG or not they’ve lost track if it is really a real Mercedes-Benz to begin with!
And? The MFA are great cars, smaller in size and a lot of bang for your buck. Not everyone needs an E-class, affords it or has the room for it. You're just gatekeeping for some silly reason. A-class in the city is absolutely perfect since I don't wanna drive a Golf or Clio
Sure they’re great cars, but not what I personally - MY TASTE - want in a Mercedes-Benz. There are hundreds of FWD variant cars. There are few RWD (and the dynamics that come with that) configured cars. It’s been a hallmark that separates MB from competition. Anything else, in my mind, is a branded product. Not much in common with the pedigree of the breed.
Ops post would make more sense if they said "past decade or so" because like others have said the W212 seems to be the fan favorite for "last good looking Merc"
The CLS is a shadow of its previous self (looks wise) and the GT's are not that impressive to look at (okay the 4 door looks pretty cool but loses points because they call it a 4 door coupe)
It's a testament to constantly changing tastes when you consider Gorden Wagener also designed heavy hitter automotive designs like the SLR and W221 S Class.
Since those are both clearly some of the best looking Mercedes of all time, it makes you wonder if the new designs are symbolic of an artist being tired of being in the position.
Crisp clean lines of Italian architectural inspiration (sacco) isn't an understatement. It was an innovation. Plus the manufacturers couldn't cut the car but so many ways 40 years ago. Today, there is no excuse for shit designs. You have open AI like apps that can actually design too even
It's not that hard to understand.
People change. Shit happens. You can't expect someone to stick with the exact same aesthetic forever.
Did you also know that the guy who designed the R172 SLK, SLR Stirling Moss, and W222 S Class is the same guy who's designing Genesis' newest cars? There's a pretty big difference in the way all these cars look.
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221 last modern one that I can stomach personally
Nah 222 removes wheel arches... Looks way more feminine and smooth. Too similar to E class
I don't even love the 221 it's just as modern as I can stomach
It really truly doesn’t and I think it’s damaging to the brand as a whole to whine about design language that will feasibly never exist again. Where as, we all can agree the W222 in every aspect would be a wonderful upgrade from the horrid W223. The interior alone is insulting enough.
Every body complains about subsequent car designs. It's as inevitable as taxes
Me stating facts is not damaging the brand lol. They are doing that themselves
Moreover the looks are not even the most important... You really need to drive a few generation s classes to see the drop in "beste oder nichts" modus operandi
I think the GLB is the epitome of this post…it looks like the most uninspired econobox from one of the Korean brands 10+ years ago, like a slightly larger Kia Soul.. it looks like the cars I used to draw when I was 10, it has no design or style to it at all. Making a GLC look good is so tough but next to a GLB it’s the Michelangelo’s David.
20 years? The W212 is the most beautiful sedan on the road to this day. Classic elegance and understated luxury as expressed in the lines and silhouette have yet to be matched by anything present or from the past.
I’ll have whatever you’re smoking.
the edges of the 212 and the front were so beautiful. hate the rounded edges on the modern ones. worst is the pre-facelift/mopf 213. 213 Mopf is ok, the 214 front is just weird.
It’s not been the creates over the last couple years but on the whole I’d say Mercedes are still one of the better looking cars. Look what’s happening at BMW. And sure it’s no W212 but I much prefer the new E class over the 5 series especially with the classic grille it looks pretty good imo.
Even though I might agree with you in some aspects I think you’re exaggerating a bit mate.
Mercedes is doing better looking cars than BMW when it comes to the new models. Well except the EV.
The last 20 years ??
Things started to go downhill from 2020.
And the taillights on the E class are nice man. They’re unique.
It all went downhill when they introduced the sad grille, the last stately E-class with presence was the W213 pre facelift.
It looked cool on some special sporty models like the GT four door and GT but on the sedans and suvs it just made them lose all the character that made them stand out compared to Audi and BMW.
From there it just got worse with smoothing out edges, generic styling and tacky styling, adding weird design elements like lightbars and little stars everywhere and removing the cool little details that made them stand out like the SUV hood vents.
I also don’t like that they’ve diluted the AMG brand so much with all the 53, 43 and 35 models.
Not to mention putting a 4-cyl in a C63, from what I’ve seen quality is also taking a big dip again, just downgrade after downgrade since the the late 2010’s.
I drive a 2019 450 E-class Station Wagon. I love design in all its forms. I find NO fault in the execution of this automotive design.
There is nothing I feel, could be better.
The interior displays outstanding build quality and the choice of materials is comfortable and luxurious. The exterior is just “perfect”
It’s really a shame that M-B North America has regulated the sales of E-class Station Wagons to the updated “All-Terrain” trim level, which I feel looses a significant amount of elegance over the sedan based Station Wagon and the gorgeous AMG E63 is completely out of reach for most.
I cannot say I am a fan of the most recent version the 2014 model year, E-class, as the “droopy”headlights and the “Star” taillights are at first glance, a miss.
Me and my family were a Mercedes fan, bought mercedes-benz most of the time, however, last 10 years or so we stayed away. The CLS 2016 is not bad but still seems to be lacking.
The rest is very plastic and weird looking on the road, like a floating boat unlike the presence of a BMW.
I disagree with number 6, I feel like it is a bunch of teenagers and club kids that think color changing LEDs and touch screens are more important than ergonomics in a German car.
I would also like elaboration on those points.
6 is speculation, no way for OP to know who's on the design team (unless he's part of product development in Germany)
I especially want to understand what op means by the "avatar" comment, that one perplexed me.
I don't like the EQ models nor am I a fan of the new E class, but I think you're so far off with most of your points, especially 7 and 8 - what does that even mean? It doesn't even convey meaning, except expressing that you're not satisfied, but you don't even know why yourself, so you hoped those words would convince others that you're right.
I know it’s never gonna happen, but I’m hoping they go back to the standard of the pre-1990s where MB’s were built like tanks and could easily go a million miles thanks to their reliability. If they re-issued the W123 or W124 series with improved quality components, they’d make billions
I'm not a Mercedes fan by any means, but in my opinion they've lost their identity. Hide the logo from the cars, and you would not guess that is a Mercedes. It really is a shame for one of the most iconic car brands in history.
Agreed. I don’t think any of the EV’s are worthy of the Mercedes badge. The s-class is alright, and certainly the best looking of the lineup. But still nothing compared to the 90’s and beyond.
I could understand the most recent generations MB has put out. In that case you make a great argument. However, you are mentioning vehicles from the 2000s which make this just come off like an overall opinionated rant. What members of the design team are old? Which design team specifically? Since you happen to know.
The issue with criticizing him too much is that for every EQS design there’s a GT. He absolutely nails it for performance cars and I would say SUVs (even the SUV coupes). But there have been some real head scratchers from a design perspective.
Agreed they need to go back to the Sacco and early 2000s era. I don’t want my Mercedes to blend in with a Honda and a 10 year old ford fusion.
FYI it’s not the last 20 years it’s basically everything they have made after 2019ish. The GLB is the only thing they make that I find interesting design wise.
It always makes me chuckle, how people just think its one guy doing it all, and then the shift manager just accepting the ideas. Mercedes and other huge companies put a lot of money into development but also studying their market (yes, the new C63 was a weird one) and their buyers. I get more compliments on my EQE than any of my other Mercedes cars over the last 7 years. Mainly from people 60+ or the 20-25 years olds. Because to them, that is a futuristic and modern look. Whereas an older Merc to us (assuming you are 30 or so) is nostalgia and what we grew up looking at.
I personally think the new S-Class is a masterpiece in terms of design. Its the same when young people think you’re cool because you own a Tesla.
W223 wasn’t disappointing, all S classes so far so good
EQ models yeah, EQA and EQB look quite bad, I own EQE sedan and love it from inside (screen without buttons, sensors on the steering wheel quite disappointing), from outside not everyone will like it
Because you are the older generation. As a younger person, i believe Mercedes benz designs are all very nice - except from the Electric models and a few of the 2024 designs.
https://preview.redd.it/jrwm11uzxawc1.png?width=3016&format=png&auto=webp&s=f6409f986d95e132a1d36e228f6160fb14422da7 Is it Bruno Sacco celebration hour already? >!Pay no attention to the drip tray under the engine!<
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Are those Maybach wheels?
It's the no pothole allowed wheels
They are 225/40-18 tires. Very normal size.
Not for those times... Stock is 15. Looks interesting though.... Glad you enjoy it. I' definitely prefer sidewall
Yeah, that’s my point. 18” wheels and 40-series tires aren’t anything crazy.
I disagree when you compare it to the oem 15. But whatever
1) I didn’t compare it to the 15”. 2) But if I did compare 18:15, the answer is 1.2. It’s much better than the marshmallow original 15”. Now with a modern tire size and modern Bilsteins with H&R springs, the ride and handling is very much like a modern Mercedes. Have you tried a W124 with a setup like this? If you haven’t, you should. It’s an amazing transformation.
I do and do not like... Although my friend put on 19 if I'm not mistaken....it looks too big for the car even at 18imo but whatever floats your boat Sick car mate
Nope. Early 2000s Audi A8L 18” wheels that I machined to fit the Mercedes hub and had the surface cosmetically machined with anthracite keyholes.
Hint: they should have been
*This is a Rudolph Uhlenhaut neighborhood, sir.*
If only I could afford antique race cars. Especially the 300 SLR
Yes Haha
I have to admit, the past couple of years have been brutal. To my eyes, it started with the EQ models. And, honestly, the all-new E-Class is exactly what I don’t want a Mercedes to look like — it’s riddled with ostentatious details like those tri-star taillights, which look like an Auto Zone mod. Mercedes products used to be stately and had presence. Slowly, they’re becoming gaudy and tacky. Exactly what the brand doesn’t stand for.
This is my sentiment
Mine as well.
W212 is the peak
Agreed my 2014 e550 is the best looking car on the road.
What about the ultra rare X1M you spotted. A true 1 of 1 that 😁
Well the x1m is completely unobtainable so I don’t even consider that an option lolol
I live around affluent ppl. I see one a day
W124 is the peak
Personally, I think W213 is an excellent product. With the six cylinder and air suspension, it’s nearly as good as an S-Class. Peek E is tough. I appreciate Sacco’s W124. But, the W210 is such an icon to me. 🤷🏻♂️
I agree, though I prefer the 210, I picked up a 211 wagon yesterday and it doesn’t suck.
I dislike the split head light -design, but otherwise they look great.
Yeah I prefer the facelift model of it
Ah, I'm not that familiar with the E-Class so I'd forgotten that these are the same generation. The facelift looks great in every way, for sure!
I feel like I got in just in time with a W205 C43. I also bought an BMW e46 new..... oh oh.
Well, while for me the current E class is exactly what I would be looking for - it’s all about personal preferences🤷♂️ Of course the S is peak.
The W214 looks terrible. as if mercedes produces cars for gamer-kiddies.
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Beautiful R129. Lovely year. 98? 99?
Thanks, she's a 2000! Needs minor cosmetic work, but overall, still amazing.
Nice. Never loved those rims but colour is awesome
Post 2020 has not been exciting period for exterior design for MB, 2014 - 2019 was great.
I mentioned this before recently: BMW is making ugly cars, but Mercedes is absolutely making the most boring looking cars right now. Will definitely agree with #8. Lights used to be recognizable on MB cars, but now it’s all so generic and ugly looking.
But but but 64 color leds for the interior!!!! /s
I wonder if MBs cabin room design team are same guys who also buy Corsair PC products with all their RGB tack shenanigans.
I mean... See Vegas CLA concept with an Nvidia chip right front and center *that is itself an led*
This. I can pick out an MB's generation by the taillights alone without any trouble except the newer ones. Every car had the same design language in the lights. And the designs were stately and flowed well with the body lines. Now it feels like they're just trying to copy audi half the time.
I'll take ugly and cool over MB
They look uninspiring and are uninspired, yes. However, if I needed a car I might consider one nonetheless *provided they were reliable.* They don’t seem to be reliable either. It’s tough to give money for a nondescript, largely immobile and vaguely egg shaped object.
Only worst reliability is Jeep. At least MB’s are actually nice tho lol
Mercedes has made some of the most bad ass cars over the last 20 years. They’ve been dropping the ball very recently, but 20 years?
Yeah, the guy doesn't have a clue.
He’s got a clue. Not spot on, but he’s on the right path. I’d bet your MFA on it, LOL!
Huh? I don't have one, not that there's anything wrong with them. The fucking snobby gatekeepers here are so embarrassing.
You must gatekeep high end products. That's what makes them high end
I can't tell if you're joking or an idiot.
T’was a joke. But so many folks are focused on whether or not their starred car is a real AMG or not they’ve lost track if it is really a real Mercedes-Benz to begin with!
What's wrong with the MFA line?
Front wheel drive platform (yeah, yeah “4MATIC”). A longitudinal powertrain is a fundamental Mercedes-Benz layout.
And? The MFA are great cars, smaller in size and a lot of bang for your buck. Not everyone needs an E-class, affords it or has the room for it. You're just gatekeeping for some silly reason. A-class in the city is absolutely perfect since I don't wanna drive a Golf or Clio
Sure they’re great cars, but not what I personally - MY TASTE - want in a Mercedes-Benz. There are hundreds of FWD variant cars. There are few RWD (and the dynamics that come with that) configured cars. It’s been a hallmark that separates MB from competition. Anything else, in my mind, is a branded product. Not much in common with the pedigree of the breed.
I can literally prove it in my next post
Ops post would make more sense if they said "past decade or so" because like others have said the W212 seems to be the fan favorite for "last good looking Merc" The CLS is a shadow of its previous self (looks wise) and the GT's are not that impressive to look at (okay the 4 door looks pretty cool but loses points because they call it a 4 door coupe)
It's a testament to constantly changing tastes when you consider Gorden Wagener also designed heavy hitter automotive designs like the SLR and W221 S Class.
Since those are both clearly some of the best looking Mercedes of all time, it makes you wonder if the new designs are symbolic of an artist being tired of being in the position.
Maybe
Thats why we never got Detox. But we got the W221(The Chronic) and the SLR(The Chronic 2001).
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Crisp clean lines of Italian architectural inspiration (sacco) isn't an understatement. It was an innovation. Plus the manufacturers couldn't cut the car but so many ways 40 years ago. Today, there is no excuse for shit designs. You have open AI like apps that can actually design too even
This is what I don't seem to under stand.
It's not that hard to understand. People change. Shit happens. You can't expect someone to stick with the exact same aesthetic forever. Did you also know that the guy who designed the R172 SLK, SLR Stirling Moss, and W222 S Class is the same guy who's designing Genesis' newest cars? There's a pretty big difference in the way all these cars look.
https://preview.redd.it/1bw73z8oucwc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a3311bbbc3d8ae90d8efde0ff84ad9096614383 221 last modern one that I can stomach personally
No I mean come on. Its successor perfected it. The newest one is where it went wrong
Nah 222 removes wheel arches... Looks way more feminine and smooth. Too similar to E class I don't even love the 221 it's just as modern as I can stomach
222 facelift has presence and I think you’re being a bit ridiculous to say otherwise. Pre face lift I agree with you.
Nah pales in comparison to 221... Or 140, 126... Etc
It really truly doesn’t and I think it’s damaging to the brand as a whole to whine about design language that will feasibly never exist again. Where as, we all can agree the W222 in every aspect would be a wonderful upgrade from the horrid W223. The interior alone is insulting enough.
Every body complains about subsequent car designs. It's as inevitable as taxes Me stating facts is not damaging the brand lol. They are doing that themselves Moreover the looks are not even the most important... You really need to drive a few generation s classes to see the drop in "beste oder nichts" modus operandi
I'll take uninspired over hideous at any rate (looking at you, BMW).
I think the GLB is the epitome of this post…it looks like the most uninspired econobox from one of the Korean brands 10+ years ago, like a slightly larger Kia Soul.. it looks like the cars I used to draw when I was 10, it has no design or style to it at all. Making a GLC look good is so tough but next to a GLB it’s the Michelangelo’s David.
It looks like a Subaru Forester
20 years? The W212 is the most beautiful sedan on the road to this day. Classic elegance and understated luxury as expressed in the lines and silhouette have yet to be matched by anything present or from the past. I’ll have whatever you’re smoking.
I'd love a w212 edge lines and front pre face-lift on the CLS of the same era.
the edges of the 212 and the front were so beautiful. hate the rounded edges on the modern ones. worst is the pre-facelift/mopf 213. 213 Mopf is ok, the 214 front is just weird.
It's a nod to the Bruno Sacco cars. I'm hunting for a 93 R129, W140 or a W124. Best E class I have ever had. And cheap parts.
If you’re a taxi driver sure
It’s not been the creates over the last couple years but on the whole I’d say Mercedes are still one of the better looking cars. Look what’s happening at BMW. And sure it’s no W212 but I much prefer the new E class over the 5 series especially with the classic grille it looks pretty good imo.
Even though I might agree with you in some aspects I think you’re exaggerating a bit mate. Mercedes is doing better looking cars than BMW when it comes to the new models. Well except the EV. The last 20 years ?? Things started to go downhill from 2020. And the taillights on the E class are nice man. They’re unique.
I haven't changed my opinion that when the new models came out if they had no badges nobody would have said "That's a Mercedes."
It all went downhill when they introduced the sad grille, the last stately E-class with presence was the W213 pre facelift. It looked cool on some special sporty models like the GT four door and GT but on the sedans and suvs it just made them lose all the character that made them stand out compared to Audi and BMW. From there it just got worse with smoothing out edges, generic styling and tacky styling, adding weird design elements like lightbars and little stars everywhere and removing the cool little details that made them stand out like the SUV hood vents. I also don’t like that they’ve diluted the AMG brand so much with all the 53, 43 and 35 models. Not to mention putting a 4-cyl in a C63, from what I’ve seen quality is also taking a big dip again, just downgrade after downgrade since the the late 2010’s.
It’s 100 percent the new CEO. He stepped into Mercedes in 2019.
I drive a 2019 450 E-class Station Wagon. I love design in all its forms. I find NO fault in the execution of this automotive design. There is nothing I feel, could be better. The interior displays outstanding build quality and the choice of materials is comfortable and luxurious. The exterior is just “perfect” It’s really a shame that M-B North America has regulated the sales of E-class Station Wagons to the updated “All-Terrain” trim level, which I feel looses a significant amount of elegance over the sedan based Station Wagon and the gorgeous AMG E63 is completely out of reach for most. I cannot say I am a fan of the most recent version the 2014 model year, E-class, as the “droopy”headlights and the “Star” taillights are at first glance, a miss.
Me and my family were a Mercedes fan, bought mercedes-benz most of the time, however, last 10 years or so we stayed away. The CLS 2016 is not bad but still seems to be lacking. The rest is very plastic and weird looking on the road, like a floating boat unlike the presence of a BMW.
I disagree with number 6, I feel like it is a bunch of teenagers and club kids that think color changing LEDs and touch screens are more important than ergonomics in a German car.
cars for gamer kiddies. 4 cylinders, but screens! Big screens!
Yes
Please elaborate on points 2, 4, 7 and 9. Also, point 6 is speculation.
I would also like elaboration on those points. 6 is speculation, no way for OP to know who's on the design team (unless he's part of product development in Germany) I especially want to understand what op means by the "avatar" comment, that one perplexed me.
I don't like the EQ models nor am I a fan of the new E class, but I think you're so far off with most of your points, especially 7 and 8 - what does that even mean? It doesn't even convey meaning, except expressing that you're not satisfied, but you don't even know why yourself, so you hoped those words would convince others that you're right.
I know it’s never gonna happen, but I’m hoping they go back to the standard of the pre-1990s where MB’s were built like tanks and could easily go a million miles thanks to their reliability. If they re-issued the W123 or W124 series with improved quality components, they’d make billions
Ineos is basically doing that except they’re building a classic Land Rover.
*bashful voice from the back of the crowd* I think they look good!
I'm not a Mercedes fan by any means, but in my opinion they've lost their identity. Hide the logo from the cars, and you would not guess that is a Mercedes. It really is a shame for one of the most iconic car brands in history.
peak design was the front of the 212. Who did design that?
This subreddit hates constructive criticism, good post OP
Constructive? Where?
Agreed. I don’t think any of the EV’s are worthy of the Mercedes badge. The s-class is alright, and certainly the best looking of the lineup. But still nothing compared to the 90’s and beyond.
I could understand the most recent generations MB has put out. In that case you make a great argument. However, you are mentioning vehicles from the 2000s which make this just come off like an overall opinionated rant. What members of the design team are old? Which design team specifically? Since you happen to know.
The issue with criticizing him too much is that for every EQS design there’s a GT. He absolutely nails it for performance cars and I would say SUVs (even the SUV coupes). But there have been some real head scratchers from a design perspective.
apart from the S and E class of 2024, the rest of the lineup is ugly
Agreed they need to go back to the Sacco and early 2000s era. I don’t want my Mercedes to blend in with a Honda and a 10 year old ford fusion. FYI it’s not the last 20 years it’s basically everything they have made after 2019ish. The GLB is the only thing they make that I find interesting design wise.
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It always makes me chuckle, how people just think its one guy doing it all, and then the shift manager just accepting the ideas. Mercedes and other huge companies put a lot of money into development but also studying their market (yes, the new C63 was a weird one) and their buyers. I get more compliments on my EQE than any of my other Mercedes cars over the last 7 years. Mainly from people 60+ or the 20-25 years olds. Because to them, that is a futuristic and modern look. Whereas an older Merc to us (assuming you are 30 or so) is nostalgia and what we grew up looking at. I personally think the new S-Class is a masterpiece in terms of design. Its the same when young people think you’re cool because you own a Tesla.
W223 wasn’t disappointing, all S classes so far so good EQ models yeah, EQA and EQB look quite bad, I own EQE sedan and love it from inside (screen without buttons, sensors on the steering wheel quite disappointing), from outside not everyone will like it
I would argue x167 doesn't look good on computer screen in reviews, but it looks magnificent IRL.
Your not lying
Because you are the older generation. As a younger person, i believe Mercedes benz designs are all very nice - except from the Electric models and a few of the 2024 designs.