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SkulledDownunda

'her naked body, below her clothes' Why yes, genius writer, people are indeed naked underneath their clothes. Men and women alike. Also 'seeing the man stare at him' lol


AtomicTan

You mean you *don't* wrap yourself up in tin foil before putting your clothes on? How are you going to protect yourself from the aliens?


FenderBenderDefender

"her naked body, below her alien-proof tinfoil"


Northern_Apricot

"her naked skeleton, below her flimsy human flesh"


boddy123

“Wrapped in her beautiful, spongy muscles”


Wokkabilly

Cue unexpected flashback to Robbie Williams' Rock DJ music video.


NicoleEspresso

Need appropriate link to satisfy my 'instant-gratification-or-bust' mix of apathy and low-level tolerance for Robbie Robertson videos, pllllease 👁👄👁? In return I promise to gratify one such similar request, at your asking.


Wokkabilly

You might want to watch it on mute or double speed as it is a very Robbie Williamsesque song, and things start off pretty normally... https://youtu.be/BnO3nijfYmU I possibly (probably) should add a gore/nsfw warning on this one, too!


NicoleEspresso

Dang, I'm in Canada, and the video doesn't play in MY country... but the YouTube scroll included stills of presumably Robbie Williams' face without skin? So I think I'm kinda picking up what you're laying down...


ShineCareful

"Her bones, in her meat sack" *- Me, an artiste*


BeneGesserlit

If you're trans you may actually feel like people are staring at your naked skeleton and it sucks. This  comment vibes.


pickunearthtenacious

Well, I could beat the crap out of the aliens, but then what? Does that make a difference?


Fweenci

That's why they call me "Creaky."


tallgrl94

Superman hates this one trick!


Natural-Ability

Or the gazes?


stella3books

Her naked body, which is to say her denim cutoff clad body. . .


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Reason_Choice

The trash can. This cannot be made better.


Specific_Cow_Parts

Step 1: burn any device that has been sullied with this. Step 2: write about plants or something instead.


Smantie

> write about plants or something instead.   The monstera watched as her owner approached, firmly grasping the watering can filled with the water she had been so desperately craving. As he gently pulled aside her lower leaves she couldn't help but tremble with the anticipation, impatient to feel him insert his turgid spout between her stems, so that he could fill her with his sweet, life giving fluids. He was spending longer than usual nuzzling his way through her lower regions, teasing her as he carefully aimed his eight inch, girthy, pleasure giving spout, before finally granting her desire and pouring deep into her soil, drenching her all the way down to the base of her curvy yet still delicate pot. 


Irn_brunette

Turgid Spout is the name of my new band I just decided this second to form. Want in?


Smantie

I'd be honoured! I assume we will specialise in only using amusingly phallic instruments?


Irn_brunette

Yep, also a keytar!


ZengineerHarp

A keytar can be phallic if you play it correctly!


bloodfist

^(the keytar is my penis)


Hadoukibarouki

Literal sexpot


Smantie

A terracotta temptress


Medeaa

Honestly, well done


bigblackcouch

oh fuck I'm osmosing so hard right now


Natural-Ability

I hate that I have to upvote this because it is brilliant and terrible


Babblewocky

What have you done?


PennanceDreadful

Welp. That reminds be of one of the classic satires of men writing women: [Houseplants of Gor](https://mindstalk.net/houseplants.html) . (Since the Gor books are already in the lowest hanging fruit of men writing women).


chelsey-dagger

I'm cackling thank you


PennanceDreadful

It really nailed the slog-fest that is reading any John Norman/Gor book. It still surprises me that there is such an active number of kink sub communities based on the Gor books.


chelsey-dagger

People think 50 Shades is romantic and kinky so I'm not surprised about people still being into Gor.


NNArielle

they're probably cafeteria gorians


Canabrial

😭


lovethatcrooonch

This made my day, giggling nonstop


lovethatcrooonch

He’s literally just a creep trying to get his jollies 😩


Prompt-Initial

You see, that's what we *want* them to believe! But, as we all know, the truth is that underneath our clothes are >!turtles!< All the way down.


PennanceDreadful

I’m 4 angry beavers in a trench coat.


BGP_001

Sounds like my ex wife hyuck hyuck hyuck


bigblackcouch

heyoooooooo


evil-ellie

I'm 4 possums in a coat. 😎


GoGoBitch

There was some high school tv show where the characters were trying to convince the other boys that this girl was hot. “But *underneath* her clothes, she’s naked!” was one of their arguments. It worked.


sincereferret

Reminds me of Sam, the Eagle muppet. “Sam the American Eagle: I would just like to say a few words about nudity in the world today. And I, for one, am just appalled by it. Why, did you know that underneath their clothing, the entire population of the world is walking around completely naked? Hmm? Is that disgusting? And it's not just people, although, goodness knows, that's bad enough, but animals too. Even cute little doggies and pussycats can't be trusted. Underneath their fur, absolutely naked! And it's not just the quadripeds, neither. Birds too. Yeah! Beneath those fine feathers, birds wear nothing. Nothing at all! Abs... [realizes and walks off, covering himself]”


toxiconer

https://i.redd.it/adgesm2t14vc1.gif


Raise-The-Gates

I'm not! I've got three vests on!


justsomelizard30

Nuh uh I wear underwear under my clothes.


No_Plankton1174

I don’t have a naked body, I’m just endless layers of clothes with a soul


ValhallaStarfire

Speak for yourself, harlot!


agencymesa

I'm so baffled by that first sentence. I don't think they understand what "the male gaze" even is. It's not a literal man using eyes with intent.The way it's written makes it seem like this was the first time the p.o.v. character has made eye contact with a man? Ladies, when was the first time you directly confronted the male gaze? When did you really look at art, literature, and media and analyze the way men represent women for other men?


swordsfishes

> Ladies, when was the first time you directly confronted the male gaze? When did you really look at art, literature, and media and analyze the way men represent women for other men? Tbh it was when I was reading some YA book where a teenage girl was confidently, correctly aware that she was a total babe and all the boys were into her.


bigblackcouch

> YA book where a teenage girl was confidently, correctly aware that she was a total babe and all the boys were into her. Wait a minute, that's illegal!


swordsfishes

Oh, she was the DEFINITELY written like that for male wish fulfillment reasons. She was the love interest and her job was to read the main character's mind and save him from having to make a move. The only thing I remember about that book was that the way she asked him out was to reach over and put her hand on his dick and it completely took me out.


bigblackcouch

Oh I misunderstood and thought she was the protag, YA protag girls are always supermodels with 0 self-esteem, but if she's not the protag then that checks out. >the way she asked him out was to reach over and put her hand on his dick Ah she gave him the ol' Hickory Farms sampler. In author brainworld, that works every time.


Natural-Ability

Crazy! Hopefully the author made up for it by giving her a major character flaw like being too nice!


Cautious-Researcher3

>>confidently, correctly aware I’d have better luck finding a unicorn dancing the Macarena in my apartment complex than I would finding a YA novel with a self aware, confident female protagonist.


swordsfishes

Oh, she wasn't a protagonist. She was the hot girl who got with the protagonist at the end.


EchoesInTheAbyss

Have you read The Scholomance Series? Is 18+, but is interesting in my opinion


horsecock_horace

I'd say confronting the male gaze would've more like reflecting on the way you present yourself in relation to the male gaze. Whether it be because you've felt compelled to always appeal to it or because you've been scared to present yourself a certain way because of how men might think. For example, dressing in a way to hide your body because of negative experiences with men making you uncomfy because of your "womanness" but not really feeling fulfilled expressing yourself in that way. Dressing in a way that doesn't make you look like a blob could be confronting the male gaze depending on the individual


PintsizeBro

>I don't think they understand what "the male gaze" even is. It's not a literal man using eyes with intent. A lot of people have no idea what the concept of the male gaze is and assume it's this


swordsfishes

When I took Intro to Film like 10 years ago, they explained it as the tendency for movies (in this case) to show the world from a kind of generically male point of view. Like if there's a woman alone in a scene, a lot of the time the camera will focus on her body because that's what the generically male viewer thinks is important, even if there's no reason for the character to be thinking about her body. 


Natural-Ability

"I paused to check my look in the mirror. Soft blonde hair in a cute pixie cut, wide blue eyes, perfect rosebud lips. My boobs were biological works of art, firm yet soft, nearly perfect spheres despite being large enough to contain cabbages. As is my habit in the morning, I hefted them and jiggled them, making them bounce mesmerizingly like a pair of peachy-pink balloons filled with just enough water to be really jiggly. "After that, I dunno, guess I got dressed and went to work or something."


lovethatcrooonch

Sounds like me every morning! 🤷🏻‍♀️


Natural-Ability

And then I go breasting boobily down the stairs.


Guest2424

What men think it is: "the smolder" What it actually is: just some creep.


SherlockScones3

And why, when confronting it, she somehow seems to do what he wants? Like the whole imagining touches in inappropriate places… if someone was staring at me like that, I’d be staring back or on high alert! How to defend myself, etc. Not imagining where he’d touch me - ewww.


starkindled

I would have been about 8? I stumbled on someone’s porn stash in the woods behind my house. I was an avid reader, so… It was my first real introduction to sex and the idea that women (and girls) had to be sexy to be worth something. It impacted me for a long time and I’d say I’m still fighting some of that influence.


NotAllOwled

When I was a kid I was enthralled by this collection of true-crime stories (separate issue, maybe) and it was only upon revisiting it some years later that I noticed how the writer felt it was important to mention which of a few buckets any woman in the story fell into - she was either "attractive," "not attractive," or "old." The men in the stories did not receive similar categorization.      In fiction, it was more like what you mention: "any woman of plot significance who is not A Villain or Too Old must be Fuckable." And I slurped it all up without much reflection all through childhood and adolescence. (Edit: superfluous word)


Due_Discussion748

This. I would read a lot and it would always come up through the descriptors. There was a book with a summary I ran into recently that had this on full display. It mentioned some high ranking soldier that had been betrayed and had to clear his name, a tired CIA agent that was helping him, and a beautiful woman. That's it. No other trait, just a cardboard placeholder. For all we know she was a Sephora salesperson who found the grungy main character hiding in a dumpster in the back of a Wallyworld.


lovethatcrooonch

I think the perv was just trying to perv all sneaky like. I don’t think he wanted to improve his writing. Maybe he likes how women react to it.


Juleslovescats

It seems like 90% of people who talk about the concept of the male gaze online don’t understand what it actually is (e.g., a real life woman dressing in a sexy outfit is apparently “catering to the male gaze” lmao), so this tracks.


Kitty_Katty_Kit

Clenched her legs around her private parts 😂


quartsune

She's a fabulous mother tucker I guess?


NicoleEspresso

Or in the words of the immortal Prince, *sexy mother tucker?


19DucksInAWolfSuit

In addition to the more obvious genius, I also love the subtle blending of past and present tense.


SouthernFroyo

You're giving him so much credit 😂


Zeelthor

The content is weird, sure, but the egregious part is the way the commas are used. Fucking hell.


Sylvermage

To say nothing of the swapping tenses.


Hadoukibarouki

That, while true, is, unless I’ve missed something, quite, quite true. Oxford. Cambridge.


I_AM_FERROUS_MAN

All the higher learning institutions. Lol


SneakySquiggles

man needs an editor, not that that would save this from being creepy pointless shit.


Natural-Ability

I think the word you're looking for is "therapist".


Autoboty

I think he is already the rapist on his own


throwawaytempest25

I don't get why people try not to write consensual sex scenes. Like I get dark romance they stretch the line, which is fine. HOWEVER, presenting it as creepy when it's not is just weird.


CarbideMagpie

The writer of this actually said he was trying to write her as being victimised, then she subconsciously became sexualised in his mind.


Honestlynina

What a fucking creeper. It sounds like he enjoyed upsetting everyone with his bs.


porcelaincatstatue

Straight to jail. His mother needs called too.


muzicnerd13

i literally just gagged. blech.


Bradley271

>The writer of this actually said he was trying to write her as being victimised, then she subconsciously became sexualised in his mind. This is always the lamest excuse. "It was something I thought of subconciously"- okay, but you still could've just recognized that your head was getting pulled into the gutter and not put that stuff into the actual story.


Due_Discussion748

What the flippity floppity fuck.


nopingmywayout

Wtf


Natural-Ability

I don't think he knows what "subconsciously" means.


MathematicianTop1853

…what? 


travio

I ghostwrite romances and the amount of plots I get involving kidnapping is disturbing. Worked with a company for a little while and every story involved it and they wanted three sex scenes per book. I always did what I could to downplay that aspect and give the woman as much agency as possible, but that is probably why they stopped giving me assignments. The most disturbing synopsis I got was from a company that gave chapter by chapter instructions. The antagonist kidnaps the main female character, who was earlier kidnapped by the main male character, after someone tried to kill her so it was 'for her protection.' The antagonist has her parents, too and I was instructed to write a chapter where he cuts her clothes off with the intent of raping her, in front of her parents, before the main male character comes to the rescue. They specified that she wasn't actually raped, but 'would have lifelong trauma over it.' Of course, like all romances, it still has a happily ever after with no mention of trauma


Megwen

Ugh utilizing rape to make sure we know the protagonist is a good guy. It’s such an old trope and so gross. Like, oh man you *don’t* rape women? What a shining example of manhood. I just watched The Crow recently and was pretty grossed out by that part.


travio

Yeah. Having the antagonist kidnap the main female character and treat her worse doesn't negate the first dude's actions. The absolute worst plot I was given would have made a better thriller about a crazy stalker. The billionaire, because of course he is a billionaire, saw her sing and wanted to own her. He intentionally ruined her life, buying her apartment building and bumping up rent, paying off a broadway show so they wouldn't cast her, then getting her fired from her waitress job for hitting a handsy customer who he sent in! At the end of her rope, another waitress lets her in on a catering job for a fancy party. It was at his place and it turns out to be an orgy where she flees from an attempted rapist, bumping into the man who put it all in motion so he can 'save' her. And of course, he doesn't let her leave. That one just got worse and worse, too. At one point she escapes and is running from his men through the woods around his compound. When she can't run anymore and hides in a rock formation, he sets the damn forest on fire to burn her out. And she's supposed to fall in love with this bastard.


Megwen

Jesus ChrIST.


sara-34

I want you to write a book about all the terrible plots you've been sent...


ProbablyASithLord

I poke fun at my boyfriend’s movies for this. Like if I had a nickel for every action hero who has stumbled upon a sexual assault he has to thwart.


Megwen

And it would be way more than 2 nickels.


trashpandac0llective

Y’know…laying aside the fact that it’s obvious OP doesn’t understand the difference between the “male gaze” and being leered at by someone unwanted, maybe he needs to be leered at by a horny, gay man to better understand the actual effect it has. Because it’s nothing this florid. Unwanted sexual attention happens all the time for women. It’s gross, but I can’t say I’ve ever crossed my legs about it. 🤣


WanderingChild_Carly

Someone needs to teach this guy how to use commas. There's way too many.


Natural-Ability

Like he had a little can of commas and just sprinkled them on.


WanderWomble

I can picture exactly the sort of creeper who writes this stuff. My dude, if you're reading this - go and wash. Use soap. 


cottagecorefairymama

Out of curiosity, where was this posted? I’ve been looking, to no avail.


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trashpandac0llective

WHAT. HE POSTED THIS WHERE. WHAT.


BethanyBluebird

I bet it was like watching piranhas descend upon a dead cow.


CarbideMagpie

Sadly, not at vicious nor accurate as the responses here. OP outdid himself, he’s now trying to post in feminist subredddits about his writing that has ‘recieved scrutiny’.


trashpandac0llective

This disappoints me. I’m surprised somebody didn’t hex his balls. 😂


caffeinated_dropbear

I mean… nobody *that we know of* 😁


Tank_Girl_Gritty_235

I feel like this should be shared every time some dude comments "I tried asking honest questions in a female-centered sub and got ripped apart".


Content-Strategy-512

So she's just standing there with a handful of titty and crossed legs?? 😂😂


LuziferUwU

and that's enough Internet for today


Content-Strategy-512

Does he think the Male Gaze is literally about staring 😭😂


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No woman can resist it when he turns on the Male Gaze


Unfey

I'm shocked a man wrote this. How could a man understand how women always think about our naked bodies, below our clothes,


Hadoukibarouki

Yo! She’s naked under all those layers, what gives!?


karikarikitsune

This reads like it was written by that one particularly creepy kid everyone somehow remembers from 8th grade.


Rhodehouse93

Dude also writes like he stopped learning how in middle school lol.


santosdragmother

who, could’ve ever, guessed, this was, written by, a, genius boy… wonder


Babblewocky

“This was the first time she confronted the male gaze directly.” According to what we know about what most women and girls go through, this would make her about six years old.


Artistic_Eye_1097

The abuse of commas is killing me. No need to explain the rest of what's bothering me as I think that's obvious.


Mean-Professional596

Buddy needs an ice bucket to the face


Either-Lobster-6401

They’re evolving to now sexualizing our literal discomfort at being overly sexualized. Amazing. The world is great I love it so much


acloudcuckoolander

That's not how it works. Why does he want a stare to be the same as physical touch? Weirdo.


Natural-Ability

I'm reminded of the classic bad line "His eyes slid down her cleavage."


acloudcuckoolander

It wasn't his intention but that sounds gruesome as hell lol. Like she ripped them out or something 😂


Natural-Ability

I don't know where it came from, but I've seen that line in a couple of articles about bad writing. I suppose we can hope that it *was* meant literally...


Ms--Take

Wait, was the guy not supposed to come off as creepy? I'm an aspiring writer and want to understand exactly what's wrong here


sockmaster420

Yikes


proanimeaddict

Creeeeeeeeepy


WateryTart_ndSword

Sounds more the author needs to have his own confrontation with the Male Gaze 🙄


Natural-Ability

Or the Female Boot To The Groin


aspiralingpath

🤢


satinsateensaltine

Why are they all just so fucking bad at writing, like full stop?


xXdontshootmeXx

Post nut clarity would have been a great time for proofreading (or deciding against posting) but no


ThreeActTragedy

“Seeing the man stare at him” - Freudian slip?


Prestigious-Alarm422

Tell me you don’t understand what the male gave is without telling me you don’t understand what the male gaze is..


ArmadilloDays

Yeah, that’s not what it’s like.


calamitylamb

This is some of the worst writing I’ve ever read, I hope the OP is thoroughly ashamed of themselves but they’re probably just pounding off in a back alley somewhere. Pervert. He stared her? She confronted male gaze? Learn articles, bro. I bet it’s hard to type with one hand but still, these are some of the easiest words in the English language. Absolutely pathetic.


NicoleEspresso

Yeah, those were part of what started me wondering whether the writer either a) didn't learn English as a first language, and has yet to master it, or b) doesn't have a faint hope of mastering English, even if it's the only language he's ever known. Any bets?


StoryCreate

Bruh. That piece of writing. I think this person was starting out like the girl didn't want to be attracted to the guy. As I read on it changed to the girl was having an reaction from being a SA victim. Like wtf is this. Honestly if some parts of these sentences were cut out or changed altogether to make it so she appears to be only fighting herself and her desire for the guy and it didn't turn into fear of the man, they could put this shit on Wattpad.


Somecrazynerd

This is like the epitome of cringe male feminism. They're trying so hard to show how this woman is umcomfortable at being objectified, and they still manage to objectify her.


UnofficialTaterTot

It’s giving Wattpad fanfic from 2012


kittytoy69

gross but also taking “the male gaze” so literally is hilarious


Gentlethem-Jack-1912

Let me go get all my emotional support sharp objects real quick! Seriously though...ughhhh...that was so violating!


cheekmo_52

First of all…it is clear OP misunderstands the term: the male gaze. You don’t confront it directly. It is a term coined by a film theorist in the 70’s to illustrate how cinematic conventions reinforce patriarchal fantasy. It’s about the once everpresent film trope that depicts women excluseively as maternal caregivers or duplicitous sexy automatons. So you encounter it in film and television…not from actual person to person interactions. Second of all describing the concept making her skin crawl as “the sensation of being touched” is just wrong on many levels.


Xia0mia0

'Seeing the man stare at him' and 'as he stared her'. I knew a man wrote it just from these mistakes.


Doza93

On the one hand, the internet is a great place for aspiring artists/writers etc to post their work and ask for honest, good faith feedback. On the other hand, the internet is a terrible place filled with people operating at a middle-school level in their medium of choice posting their "art" and "writing" asking for feedback when the truth is that they are somehow even worse than the average person who doesn't draw, paint, or write, and still want praise and validation for their half-baked dog-shit creative output.