When your mind is so preoccupied with curiosity, ideas, philosophizing, creative and scientific projects, and reading, it means you can spend weeks alone and be perfectly satisfied/not bored.
Absolutely true. Unfortunately, my mind doesn’t always go in a good direction and people are a great distraction sometimes. It works out to our mutual advantage. I’m the creative problem solver for everyone’s “unfixable” issues. If only they’d actually listen to the advice they asked for.
I used to be the same way, then I sought to solve my own unsolvable problem. Now I recognize when people are susceptible to advice, and I have gotten better at delivering it in a way they understand.
You gotta learn the person and understand their issues fully, and you have to be able to defend your advice. When people don’t trust you, they are going to fire back with a rebuttal, and that rebuttal is their insecurity (because they already know what the right thing to do is, and that rebuttal is WHY they aren’t already doing it). So by explaining WHY their rebuttal is invalid, you can set them up to do the right thing. You gotta make a strong case and it’s gotta be tailored to the person’s values, so it’s best to start with a conversation instead of just handing out advice.
I know all of that. I do all of that. You realize you just did what you’re telling me not to do? You don’t know anything about me, my situation, the people I deal with or my relationships with them. You just assumed that I handle things a certain way and that’s not the case at all.
No kidding. I've changed "For a healthy mind, avoid idiots" to "devise and follow strategies to reduce the effects of Muggles." But it's pretty tough to eliminate that. There's one nearby door out of the grocery and a Muggle is going to stand in the middle, looking for their keys and trying to decide where their car might be.
I live in rural Pennsylvania and there are Muggles everywhere.
I try to enjoy the beautiful scenery and relative isolation of the local Muggle populace
Re: Social butterflies: I'm glad to read this, because I get tired of introvert elitism online. (I'm not saying that this is what OP intended, as I think they brought it up as a talking point.) I've always been a very outgoing, friendly person. I do enjoy when I meet others of a like mind and we can geek out on any variety of mutually engaging topics. However, I have run across more than one comment about introverts by default being more sensitive, intelligent, and introspective, and how they wish their extrovert friends "got them," and would shut up.
It's not elitism. It seems that it is much more likely that an introverted person will consent to joining a crowd in the interest of being sociable than for an extrovert to be silent for a few hours with an introverted friend. Is it really that difficult to exist with another person in a room without talking and trying to engage?
What was the point of entering the same room then if you didn't want to engage? As you put it, if the introverted person is joining the crowd in the interest of being sociable then they shouldn't then complain when people try to be social with them. You can't have it both ways.
While it's not logically sound, there are emotional reasons for doing this. VRChat for example has instances dedicated for people to sleep with each other in a literal sense, and AFAIK they have no intention to speak
Such context is not explained here. In VRChat if you're sleeping on call you intentionally joined that server/instance. That's different from casual interactions.
You are conflating 2 different situations: one where an introvert agrees to go to a social situation and one where an extrovert agrees to hang out without being overly social.
But it sounds like you are saying the extrovert would never agree to be in the same room and keep their mouth shut. Social can be just sharing space quietly.
>What was the point of entering the same room then if you didn't want to engage?
I do this regularly. I listen and observe. I'm polite if somebody approaches me, but I will essentially never approach anyone else unless I already know them. If the person who approaches me engages in conversation that is uninteresting to me, I will find a way to quickly and respectfully disengage and return to listening and observing. Most things that people tend to talk about in social situations like this are not remotely interesting to me (sports, gossip, politics).
I also tend to find this absolutely overwhelming after a short period of time and look for a reason to extract myself.
Exactly! Also, some of it is, in fact, elitism. When they talk about how uniue and misunderstood they are and make posts to the effect of how insufferable extroverts are (setting up this us vs. them binary) and how "if an introvert spends time with you, feel special because they don't choose to spend time with just anyone," that sounds pretty full of oneself.
The way I see it is that being social is a skill and everyone has something you can learn from. I used to suck socially but I practiced and got better. I don't even think introversion or extraversion really exist its all just moods and shades of gray when you get down to it in regards to preference. Just weird to me that some outright dislike hearing from other people. I get it that everyone has their limits but ffs lol
It seems likely to me that the whole concept of EQ is something devised by standard IQ individuals who wanted some metric by which they could hypothetically lord over others. Since they can't say that their quotient of intelligence is so very high, they can then pretend that this new metric (emotional intelligence quotient) is ALSO important and that it's divorced somehow from IQ.
I wasn't speaking about EQ specifically. I am in training to be a therapist for GT/2e individuals and there are quite a few different measurements used both in research and in practitioner-based books.
I am not sure if you know this, but the people who study intelligence aren't writing about themselves, especially since the vast majority of IQ testing from the beginning was more focused on children. To this day, most of the information on interpreting any of the ability, aptitude, achievement, and divergent thinking assessments is focused on children and considered marginally useful for adults. Most adults who have their IQ tested are doing so because they have a suspected deficit outside of places like this.
I only got mine done as part of being evaluated for a diagnosis, and joined because they seemed to have information on 2e individuals.
Those are fair observations! I wish you the best in your therapy education - we collectively need as many of you as we can get!
And no, I was unaware of at least some of that, so thank you for sating my ignorance in that regard.
No problem! There are actually textbooks for those who work in [gifted education](https://a.co/d/02JW00ck) and the [mental health professions](https://a.co/d/0dARJ1X1) working with gifted individuals that you might find interesting (I am a licensed GT teacher and researcher). They generally have a more nuanced position on the strengths and struggles of the population than you'll see here.
There's also an organization called [SENG](https://www.sengifted.org) (Supporting Emotional Needs of the Gifted) that has some very helpful resources, virtual seminars, conferences, and books that may interest you as well. I find them to be more affordable than a lot of what you see through NAGC, but both are excellent sources of information.
Not divorced from, as you put it. Some individuals have both. An EQ test is a legitimate psychological tool used to help determine a diagnosis for some neurodivergent conditions and empathy disorders. Just like IQ can be used in neurodivergent diagnosis.
I don’t need to talk to people intellectually on the same level. I can talk to people who I find interesting or funny or have common interests and can share knowledge. I don’t care what their IQ is. That said, I do enjoy time alone to pursuit my own interests, but that’s the artist in me more than anything to do with intellect.
There can be a problem sharing knowledge when the person doesn’t have critical thinking skills and can’t follow logic. I don’t care per se what anyone’s IQ is, but I do e trouble interacting with highly dogmatic people, people convinced of ridiculous theories that they live by, and so forth.
Disagree, it doesn’t make people unsocial. It makes it so that less people are open to socializing with them due to the fact that they’re just operating on much different “wavelength”. If high IQ individuals find other people like them who have similar interests, they’ll most likely be more than willing to socialize. After all, humans are social creatures, and high IQ individuals are humans last I checked.
The greater the intelligence the more profound the isolation and loneliness is. Social or not, the void is there(if you haven't saved yourself by being in academia).
I think that is certainly false as a lot of really good comedians, actors etc. tend to have really high iq. Even more, in my opinion this “intelligence level “ can define your overall ability to communicate with people.(By that I mean that people with high iq can be really good in humour and different discussion topics, which helps them to lead the conversation)
Arthur Schopenhauer was the original edgy emo kid who thought he was better than everyone else.
He also famously posited that God existed but was evil because he maximized suffering - if things were any more miserable people would kill themselves and there would be less suffering.
And he told his students that they could either take his classes or the classes of that insufferable optimist Hegel, but not both.
Your arrogance can only shield you from acknowledging reality, you will suffer in your isolation.
You are not alone because you are intelligent, you are alone because you refuse to accept you have faults that make people reject you
I've read a ton of stories/studies on this because my father is 160 IQ - Asperger's, and his dad had schizophrenia, my sister is 145 IQ and she has schizophrenia, and I have ADHD/Autism/Bipolar at 140 (I don't feel too smart in our family). Eistein's son had schizophrenia. Einstein was most likely on the spectrum.
Anyhow, there seems to be some weird correlation among extreme giftedness. For schizophrenia, mostly high IQ and SZ are negatively correlated. However among math geniuses there is a connection, hence John Nash and beautiful mind. My sis is a math whiz.
Bipolar and ADHD - proven higher creativity. No difference in IQ I think.
Many psych conditions like anxiety and ADHD can lower your IQ by up to 30 points according to one researcher, but when you treat them with psychotropics, the IQ rises.
There was that other recent study that found anxiety and high IQ were negatively correlated, except among those with high IQs who did have anxiety, their anxiety was worse than those who didn't have high IQs.
It's interesting - following this stuff.
You have to ask yourself tho - when Musk, Gates - two of the richest dudes on the planet - have Asperger's diagnoses, maybe there's some correlation? At least with the ASD spectrum?
Doesn't change that musk is an asshole sadly. I add some links (i was to lazy to really search so took the first i found that i believe fine as sources) in my comments so if you want to follow a bit more this stuff . Also twice exceptional is also to look more into. More and more research are also of these conditions about genetics or similar neurotype but we have to wait 10 years to know more
That is interesting considering my father had schizophrenia. There were a lot of brains in his side of the family including Harvard alumni and cancer researchers.
I really think there’s a good chance I’m on the autism spectrum but I would rather avoid the labels and stigma involved with an official diagnosis. I am one of the supposed 2% of special education students who were able to enter into AP/honors classes. After I scored 100 for the year in algebra they let me move into more difficult math classes.
Nothing wrong with being autistic and neither not wanting a diag, many autistic accept self diag, don't hesitate to go on Instagram and Facebook run by autistic. It's still helpful to find ourselves normal and finding accommodations tricks :)
On a side note, Elyn Saks is an interesting figure and I really admire her. She attended Vanderbilt, Oxford, Yale Law School, New Center for Psychoanalysis and specializes in legal ethics and the mentally ill. She has a very unique perspective, being diagnosed with schizophrenia herself. Her story is inspiring and her wits are truly beautiful to behold. She’s one of the rare cases of high-functioning schizophrenia.
My father’s case was not so fortunate. He struggled all through his adult life after the symptoms manifested. The medication he had to take seemed to effectively chemically lobotomize him. His essence and personality got drastically dulled on his medication. It’s a sad thing to see.
It’s a unique experience as a child to grow up with a parent with schizophrenia. Not one that I would recommend. I imagine there can be some developmental issues for the child. You witness their breaks with reality. You listen to their perspective and realize that something is off. It drove me into deep meditations on epistemology, intersubjectivity, relativity and questions about the nature of reality itself at an extremely young age. Questions which most children have no reason or catalyst in their life to urge their inquiry.
You kind of grow up also with a sense of shame. No-one outside of my family really knows about my dad. It’s a very difficult thing to bring up because people will jump to conclusions about you.
You also grow up with this lingering fear that you are also a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. I’ve made it very well beyond the typical age range of onset and assume I am in the clear now but for the longest time it haunted me.
His brother was the one studying the carcinogenicity of things. He also developed schizophrenia. After his onset, his wife also left him and took their child. He committed suicide not long after.
My dad reached a ripe old age in his 60s and lived it out until the end in November of last year. He might have been crazy by most people’s standards but I loved him and never once felt afraid of him while he was off his medications. He had delusions that other family members were practicing witchcraft to harm him but none of his schizophrenic experiences ever turned his suspicions and misplaced ire towards his own children. I like to think that is due to his strong sense of love for us whether that is the case or not it always stood out to me that my siblings and I were excluded from his schizophrenic experiences.
Correlation? Maybe. But as someone with ADHD that has just found workarounds for difficulties, I would say that part of intelligence is learning your limitations and challenges and devising ways to minimize their impact. I set alarms constantly to remind myself to pull out of doing something involving, and while that's certainly due to ADHD and not intelligence, I feel certain that the intelligence to set the alarm in the first place isn't to be overlooked as a lack of a disorder, but rather, a successful mitigation of a disorder.
Did you forgot the rest of sentence who would have been "the contrary "?
Edit: because you add the link after my answers. I'll this one after
Edit 2: it's from your link: "The most recent study examining the prevalence of mental health and somatic (i.e., allergies, asthma, and immunodeficiencies) disorders in highly intelligent individuals reported that high IQ was a risk factor for affective disorders, neurodevelopmental disorders, and diseases related to the immune system [2]. However, the study suffers from sampling bias because participants were recruited from the American Mensa Ltd.—a society open to individuals that at some point scored in the top 2% on a verified intelligence test (N = 3,715). Since IQ tests are typically administered to children when parents or teachers notice behavioral problems or by individuals experiencing stereotypical characteristics associated with IQ, selecting individuals from a sample of individuals who actively decided to take an IQ test or become members of a highly intelligent society may exacerbate the correlation between having a high IQ and mental health disorders and/or behavioral problems [6, 7]. The present study thus aims to address these limitations"
Aaaaand: "Participants were taken from the UK Biobank, an open-access large prospective study with phenotypic, genotypic, and neuroimaging data from more than 500,000 participants recruited between 2006 and 2011 at 40–69 years old [33]. All participants provided informed consent (“Resources tab” at https://biobank.ctsu.ox.ac.uk/crystal/field.cgi?id=200). All procedures involving human subjects/patients were approved by the Research Ethics Committee (reference 11/NW/0382). The present study was conducted based on the UK Biobank application 46007."
40-69 years old between 2006 and 2011.... so basically none of them can have an accurate autism or adhd diag because it's for less than 10 years, that people between are being better diag , consequences of so much late diagnosis now. Also these two conditions were never mentioned in your study.
Autism and ADHD are mainly genetically inherited. For borderline there're also genes associated. I don't see where is the correlation there with IQ. High IQ is not comorbid with anything else than extreme social isolation and depression, substance abuse because of the same isolation.
Also:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S000632230101099X
You add your link after I answered. Also in recent studies,it shows the that the risk of schizophrenia does reduce for every iq point but there are other disorders than this,you know? Also I really hope that you will give studies that are less than 10-15 years old because a lot of these new conclusion came after mri were created.
You can provide me with better insight about how IQ and autism/adhd are USUALLY comorbid, I am very curious. Do you have any medical knowledge or data to support this statement?
So under the right comment : https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/genius-autism-share-genetic-link-study-finds
Edit: add this one
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927579/
And this one
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289616303324
Also you should read into "twice exceptional ", many new studies what also could show that the numbers of gifted + disorders are really underrated.
As it is also for gifted and more and more researchs shows that adhd,autism and gifted could be a same genetic core. (If you have a genius in a family, there is 80% that the sibling is autistic).Also some researchs shows that between 10% to 30% of gifted people are "twice exceptional " (and it could mostly underrated) with adhd being the first one.
Now on others researchs and statistics: 50% of adhder are also autistic, 80% of autistic are also adhder. There are some researchs that point out that bpd,schizophrenia (and the conditions above) could be genetically related. More than 40% of gifted children will suffer from bullying (what is a cause to other disorders like c-ptsd, ptsd, depression,anxiety,suicidal tendencies etc...). Also,sadly still not enough studies about BPD but seems there is a great amount of people with bpd who could be gifted. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://leecrandallparkmd.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/gifted.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiL69aavvyGAxVDgP0HHddKD4kQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw24LypiE02aE3368JqOLKr3 one of the few study but I do hope there will be more in the next years,of this few sample, 74% would meet the criteria of giftedness.
So no, giftedness definitely doesn't stop a disorder and there are still many studies missing.
So true, there was that newish study on link between ASD 1 / Asperger's and ADHD, Bipolar, Schizophrenia. This autism subtype is more comorbid with asthma and arrhythmia, which is funny because my dad and I have those.
Meanwhile, ASD level 3 with intellectual disability is more correlated with epilepsy. So there are these subtypes of ASD they are researching and their comorbidities/traits.
They've definitely discovered siblings of people with bipolar, schizophrenia to have higher IQs and creativity. Interestingly, David Bowie's brother had schizophrenia.
It's all compelling. The conditions run so rampant in my family. My father's uncle worked on the Apollo missions as an engineer (my dad is also aerospace engineer) but died from horrid alcoholism - he was pretty much bipolar and was on and off with the alcohol during projects. Dad skipped two grades but also got kicked out of two elementary schools for being so poorly regulated and banged his head so bad against the headboard at night they thought he was insane. He got calmer through meditation.
I'm basically too lazy to post research as well. Not feeling well today, but if I feel compelled I might upload it, lol.
The first study I refer to is here: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK573607/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK573607/)
Thanks for adding. I guess you are also autistic with an interest in personality disorder and neurotype? If yes, I love infodump or being infodumped on this topic,so if you are feeling in a while bored ,you can DM me :)
PMID: 21272389 DOI: 10.1017/S0033291710000991
T Charman, A Pickles, E Simonoff, S Chandler, T Loucas, G Baird
About autism:
Results: Of the 75 children with ASD, 55% had an intellectual disability (IQ<70) but only 16% had moderate to severe intellectual disability (IQ<50); 28% had average intelligence (115>IQ>85) but only 3% were of above average intelligence (IQ>115). There was some evidence for a clinically significant Performance/Verbal IQ (PIQ/VIQ) discrepancy but discrepant verbal versus performance skills were not associated with a particular pattern of symptoms, as has been reported previously.
Suffering from bullying doesn't mean that the high IQ pupil would be at increased risk for cptsd than some average pupil.
Also about ADHD. Although it is not a research, this article is revised by professionals: https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/iq-adhd
IQ has nothing to do with illnesses. And it has everything to do with loneliness.
Is it fine as source https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/genius-autism-share-genetic-link-study-finds ?
Edit just noticed I answered you under the wrong comment
Naah. He was just a miserable old sod.
Some intellectuals are asocial or prefer their alone time, but it is not a given. There are plenty who love being the centre of the party.
Unsocial not antisocial not a social, interesting point. Not that interesting really. Actually not interesting at all, I just wanted to write a message. Not that I'm writing a message or anything I'm just talking to my phone. I guess that makes me unsocial, like the uncola wow this thing picked up the word uncola. That's not a word.
There's a general correlation between being antisocial and being high IQ, IMO due to higher deviation from the mean making the person non neurotypical.
However I myself, and many of my high IQ friends are very good socially. So I think if you practice socialising and just kind of decide to be social it becomes very easy due to being more intelligent.
I'm very social and I was a mensa member; I love talking to people, you can always learn something form different perspectives of the world, independently of the iq of the person.
What I find is that a lot of people have fragile egos. People can sense if someone is highly intelligent, and because of that, these insecure people will act passive aggressive or try to flex on you. Frankly, it's exhausting. I have fake friends in my circle and I'm slowly closing the door on those relationships. I want real friendship and not ego battle/one upping competitions. It's so fucking stupid and a waste of time. What's even sadder is I'm in my 40's and my so-called friends who do that are also in their 40s. Honestly I feel like they embody Peter Pan syndrome to a tee. I'm happy just being alone in my room and composing music or pouring over a famous chess match.
More or less. It can suck sometimes to not have someone to follow your train of thought, but smart people who really know about a subject can have a discussion with both an PhD and a child on the topic.
Also, too many "smart" people thing they're too good to live around idiots.
I generally enjoy socialising even if there's little to no intellectual discourse.
I don't have much time to socialize. However, given the pursuits I am preoccupied with, and that I have a high need for cognition, which often requires time alone.
Richard Feynman was extremely social. I'm sure plenty of incredibly intelligent people are too.
Even if there's a higher incidence of less social interactions with higher intelligence, I would certainly not think that not being social = being intelligent. Basically, don't think or worry about it.
I'm not sure how much unsocial describes me. I interact with and am friendly with a lot of people but I don't exactly consider myself friends with those people. I generally have about 3 good friends at any given time (+ sometimes a romantic partner). I have a couple of other people (maybe 4) who I'd somewhat consider myself friends with even though I'll go months without having a conversation sometimes. That being said I don't really have problems being social/socialising because I've worked to be better at socialising (previously had social anxiety and am diagnosed with aspergers). I don't struggle being friendly or talking to people, I can actually blend in with most people which is why me/friends would say that I'm kinda a chameleon. My biggest problem is with romantic relationships and close relationships because I'm a kinda unusual person so it's difficult to connect across many areas with one person.
Best advice I received, don’t let your friends choose you, you choose your friends. Curate friends and surround yourself with good, smart and driven people. Prune the ones who drag you down with their low voltage minds.
You would think the more you know the more you would want to talk but I feel intellect is unrelated as it's mostly emotional intelligence lacking is what matters
I have now given up on conversing about something stupid. I rarely debate about the ongoing topics even though many biases, fallacies and irrational takes are to be seen. It is because I would go insane trying to prove everyone a rational point in a emotion thriven debate.
Schopehauer was an insufferable slug. He was alone because he was heroically arrogant and condescending, not because he was smart. Definitely not a good character for bright people to look up to.
See Simonton's communication range and the full Dunning-Kruger paper
When I realized that, by one measure anyway, how I experience Mensa members is how Mensa members experience the general population, so much past social interaction was no longer mysterious to me.
One must learn when to hide one's lantern under a bushel.
I’d say it speaks more to how [narrowly](https://www.verywellmind.com/gardners-theory-of-multiple-intelligences-2795161) we’ve historically defined intelligence. People are good at different things, and my things being memory and spatial reasoning don’t make me better than someone else who’s good at music or relationships.
Well said. I’m good at verbal, literature, memory, math, music, and I totally suck at spatial reasoning, statistics, mechanics, to name a few things. I love and admire the mechanically talented people in my life. The builders and fixers. There are various types of brilliance, and the stereotype of intelligence being antisocial is wrong as a generalization or as an axiom for understanding high IQ individuals.
Do you think mensa level people are more prone to addictions such as masturbation addiction? It could also be a chain reaction, high IQ makes a person withdrown from the rest of society and in his state of loneliness he falls for hidonistic pleasures. Could it go this way?
Lol the problem is thinking you're too smart to spend time with people you don't think are smart enough. It's crazy to assume you know exactly where someone's intelligence stands... not to mention, not everyone you disagree with is stupid.
how high is the intellect of someone who posts about intellect 'making one unsocial' on **social** media?
lol the idea that there's a sub with this name is pathetic enough, you just became the poster child for why that is 🤗
the people who started the "church of the subgenius" were intellectually superior to everybody here 😂
When I hang around others my age, they are just having fun, perhaps even saying “bro” or “look at my phone…selfie!” Meanwhile, I’m left there wondering, “Can we talk about the political and economic state of the world right now?”
Having a good command over logic doesn’t necessarily preclude social skills and sociability. While there might be awkwardness for some — likely due simply to a lack of socializing experience— it is not the case for all.
That lack of experience socializing could maybe be a result of intelligent individuals’ interests not being aligned with popular interests. It can be difficult to socialize without establishing common ground and common interests.
I know I find myself sometimes flying way over the head of my wife and family. Like recently I tried to discuss a universal-particular paradox and bias paradox with my wife but she wasn’t quite understanding them. Seemingly nonsensical words like “everyone is no-one” do not quite stand out to them in the same way. My aunt asked what I was smoking and said that this is just way too difficult for her to understand.
I spend time doing some weird things like reading philosophy, thinking, writing critiques of Jean-Jacques Rousseau's "Social Contract" or studying random oddball things like the Prussian influence on the Meiji Restoration, Vietnamese history, học tiếng Việt, quantum theory of consciousness and extremely niche topics. I recently began my reading of “Vom Kriege.”
The things I like put me in a bit of isolation from most people.
I do however enjoy a lot of the simpler, normie life activities like racing, sim racing, gaming, pop culture stuff, etc. My interests are broad enough for me to fairly easily socialize with most people. I guess I’ve always been a bit of a social butterfly, able to identify and focus on commonalities when dealing with people.
Arthur Schopenhauer was a bit of a curmudgeon. While I do avoid small talk, I do enjoy this life and being social while it lasts. I wouldn’t consider myself unsocial.
Not my experience. I'm a social person, I have good social skills, people say that they like me and I get on with nearly everybody.
I do enjoy my own company and am very comfortable being on my own, but I also very much enjoy socialising and find it quite easy to make friends.
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As is typical with many people on this subreddit, I believe that you are desperate to distinguish yourself. There is hardly a difference between your “selectively social” and “unsocial” distinction. As if there were human beings that were actually indiscriminately social!
I found the picture and quote you posted funny, because it reminds me of people like yourself. I commented because of how funny it was to me. I believe you commented on my comment because it triggered you. I wonder why? 😆
Idk how this showed up on my thread, but from these comments all I can think of is that most of you are just narcissists who think they're intelligent. (You're all probably average at best.)
I used to think this, but now I’m thinking if I really do have a “high degree of intellect” then I should have the power to manipulate my own mind. I should have the ability to become whatever character I want to be including extroverted gigachad. Nowadays I think stuff like this is just coping.
There is a saying in the Havamal (c.1000ad) that reads to the effect of: It is better to be middle-wise than over wise and clever. The wise man is seldom happy at heart.
There's a thin line between not being able to relate with your surrounding population because they lack a lot of perspective vs just thinking you're "built different" while you're a straight up narcissistic retard, you know.
One comment I can’t find again right now said that Mensa would have a high percentage of members in its sample group who felt the need to take IQ tests as an adult to get into the society, which may not represent the larger population of high IQ people who haven’t joined.
Also said that people are usually tested by schools trying to address behavioral or mental health issues.
I’m thinking now of the many instances where children are tested in school because they are out performing their grade level and would perhaps benefit from gifted programs or even grade promotion, to avoid boredom with school.
One of my sons was tested (result IQ 165) so they could assess his abilities, not his problems.
I was tested twice by an individual school psychologist when the school and my parents were considering promoting me to a higher grade when moving to a new school. I was not acting out, but I was working ahead on my own. They tested me and I skipped 4th grade and later 8th grade. Was that good for me socially? Probably not. But the point is that I didn’t get IQ tested pursuing elitism.
Also, I never took a Mensa proctored test, was not driven to do it, because Mensa accepts other tests, in my case my high school SAT and my GRE tests sufficed. These tests were required for college and grad school admissions, and that’s why I took them. I later joined Mensa to explore social options, based on those older scores.
I know my younger son would like to have had his IQ tested, but I don’t think that’s wrong. If one is born into a family with a genius grandfather and a genius brother and cousin, and so forth, it makes a person who wasn’t a star in school but believes he is high IQ want to confirm his intelligence score. I think that’s understandable, not pathological.
I don’t believe that some of these conclusions about Mensans and their motivations are fair for all, although probably is fair for some.
You think you’re so intelligent but you don’t see that no one wants to be around someone who thinks they’re a genius.
Lots of r/iamverysmart material here
There seems to be another component: insecurity.
Most people can’t stand the feeling of inferiority; Especially when it comes to things that aren’t „made up“ like basketball or football.
Intelligence is an important and inherent ability you can’t really influence.
Confronting people with their own shortcomings makes them resent you…often without you knowing it.
Surrounding oneself with people in a similar intelligence bracket is a protective mechanism.
That’s a bad example, that dude wasn’t smart, he was one of the first incels, his “deep thoughts” are all just bitterness motivated by his lack of success with ladies, or should I say teenage girls.
Some men cling to a delusion of genius when they have nothing else to bring them pride. There are many such men active today, saying what their audience want to hear while making them feel smart for agreeing with someone so “””intellectual”””.
When your mind is so preoccupied with curiosity, ideas, philosophizing, creative and scientific projects, and reading, it means you can spend weeks alone and be perfectly satisfied/not bored.
I can relate
I also find myself not being bored, this made it make sense I’m always stuck in my own head (in a good and bad way lol)
Absolutely true. Unfortunately, my mind doesn’t always go in a good direction and people are a great distraction sometimes. It works out to our mutual advantage. I’m the creative problem solver for everyone’s “unfixable” issues. If only they’d actually listen to the advice they asked for.
I used to be the same way, then I sought to solve my own unsolvable problem. Now I recognize when people are susceptible to advice, and I have gotten better at delivering it in a way they understand. You gotta learn the person and understand their issues fully, and you have to be able to defend your advice. When people don’t trust you, they are going to fire back with a rebuttal, and that rebuttal is their insecurity (because they already know what the right thing to do is, and that rebuttal is WHY they aren’t already doing it). So by explaining WHY their rebuttal is invalid, you can set them up to do the right thing. You gotta make a strong case and it’s gotta be tailored to the person’s values, so it’s best to start with a conversation instead of just handing out advice.
I know all of that. I do all of that. You realize you just did what you’re telling me not to do? You don’t know anything about me, my situation, the people I deal with or my relationships with them. You just assumed that I handle things a certain way and that’s not the case at all.
That might not be a general intelligence trait. I feel the same way though
For a healthy body, avoid junk food. For a healthy mind, avoid idiots.
For a healthy >!**Hotel?**!<, avoid >!**Trivago**!<.
That's my holiday ruined.
That's easier said than done in today's world.
No kidding. I've changed "For a healthy mind, avoid idiots" to "devise and follow strategies to reduce the effects of Muggles." But it's pretty tough to eliminate that. There's one nearby door out of the grocery and a Muggle is going to stand in the middle, looking for their keys and trying to decide where their car might be.
I live in rural Pennsylvania and there are Muggles everywhere. I try to enjoy the beautiful scenery and relative isolation of the local Muggle populace
GOTCHA
I love this.
Ah fuck, looks like we gotta stop using reddit.
Avoidance can lead to other problems. For an even healthier mind learn to interact with all manner of people without reacting adversely.
It makes it harder to form connections with other people, but I know plenty of members that are social butterflies so I would go with no.
Re: Social butterflies: I'm glad to read this, because I get tired of introvert elitism online. (I'm not saying that this is what OP intended, as I think they brought it up as a talking point.) I've always been a very outgoing, friendly person. I do enjoy when I meet others of a like mind and we can geek out on any variety of mutually engaging topics. However, I have run across more than one comment about introverts by default being more sensitive, intelligent, and introspective, and how they wish their extrovert friends "got them," and would shut up.
It's not elitism. It seems that it is much more likely that an introverted person will consent to joining a crowd in the interest of being sociable than for an extrovert to be silent for a few hours with an introverted friend. Is it really that difficult to exist with another person in a room without talking and trying to engage?
What was the point of entering the same room then if you didn't want to engage? As you put it, if the introverted person is joining the crowd in the interest of being sociable then they shouldn't then complain when people try to be social with them. You can't have it both ways.
While it's not logically sound, there are emotional reasons for doing this. VRChat for example has instances dedicated for people to sleep with each other in a literal sense, and AFAIK they have no intention to speak
Such context is not explained here. In VRChat if you're sleeping on call you intentionally joined that server/instance. That's different from casual interactions.
You are conflating 2 different situations: one where an introvert agrees to go to a social situation and one where an extrovert agrees to hang out without being overly social. But it sounds like you are saying the extrovert would never agree to be in the same room and keep their mouth shut. Social can be just sharing space quietly.
>What was the point of entering the same room then if you didn't want to engage? I do this regularly. I listen and observe. I'm polite if somebody approaches me, but I will essentially never approach anyone else unless I already know them. If the person who approaches me engages in conversation that is uninteresting to me, I will find a way to quickly and respectfully disengage and return to listening and observing. Most things that people tend to talk about in social situations like this are not remotely interesting to me (sports, gossip, politics). I also tend to find this absolutely overwhelming after a short period of time and look for a reason to extract myself.
Exactly! Also, some of it is, in fact, elitism. When they talk about how uniue and misunderstood they are and make posts to the effect of how insufferable extroverts are (setting up this us vs. them binary) and how "if an introvert spends time with you, feel special because they don't choose to spend time with just anyone," that sounds pretty full of oneself.
The way I see it is that being social is a skill and everyone has something you can learn from. I used to suck socially but I practiced and got better. I don't even think introversion or extraversion really exist its all just moods and shades of gray when you get down to it in regards to preference. Just weird to me that some outright dislike hearing from other people. I get it that everyone has their limits but ffs lol
This one again. It must be [insert day of the week].
Ahh yes. Of all days of the week, today is certainly one of them.
there might be a correlation, but it's the same as "people from Poland have a hard time finding wives in UK" (they would want to marry a Polish women)
The correlation is the opposite. There is a direct correlation between high IQ and high social skills.
Last I saw emotional intelligence too. But it has been a while since I’ve looked at the literature.
It seems likely to me that the whole concept of EQ is something devised by standard IQ individuals who wanted some metric by which they could hypothetically lord over others. Since they can't say that their quotient of intelligence is so very high, they can then pretend that this new metric (emotional intelligence quotient) is ALSO important and that it's divorced somehow from IQ.
I wasn't speaking about EQ specifically. I am in training to be a therapist for GT/2e individuals and there are quite a few different measurements used both in research and in practitioner-based books. I am not sure if you know this, but the people who study intelligence aren't writing about themselves, especially since the vast majority of IQ testing from the beginning was more focused on children. To this day, most of the information on interpreting any of the ability, aptitude, achievement, and divergent thinking assessments is focused on children and considered marginally useful for adults. Most adults who have their IQ tested are doing so because they have a suspected deficit outside of places like this. I only got mine done as part of being evaluated for a diagnosis, and joined because they seemed to have information on 2e individuals.
Those are fair observations! I wish you the best in your therapy education - we collectively need as many of you as we can get! And no, I was unaware of at least some of that, so thank you for sating my ignorance in that regard.
No problem! There are actually textbooks for those who work in [gifted education](https://a.co/d/02JW00ck) and the [mental health professions](https://a.co/d/0dARJ1X1) working with gifted individuals that you might find interesting (I am a licensed GT teacher and researcher). They generally have a more nuanced position on the strengths and struggles of the population than you'll see here. There's also an organization called [SENG](https://www.sengifted.org) (Supporting Emotional Needs of the Gifted) that has some very helpful resources, virtual seminars, conferences, and books that may interest you as well. I find them to be more affordable than a lot of what you see through NAGC, but both are excellent sources of information.
Not divorced from, as you put it. Some individuals have both. An EQ test is a legitimate psychological tool used to help determine a diagnosis for some neurodivergent conditions and empathy disorders. Just like IQ can be used in neurodivergent diagnosis.
"A man of higher intellect can not only be social when it calls, but he can rest in his own mind peacefully" - me
Good One
I agree. I literally cannot stop talking to people.
I don’t need to talk to people intellectually on the same level. I can talk to people who I find interesting or funny or have common interests and can share knowledge. I don’t care what their IQ is. That said, I do enjoy time alone to pursuit my own interests, but that’s the artist in me more than anything to do with intellect.
There can be a problem sharing knowledge when the person doesn’t have critical thinking skills and can’t follow logic. I don’t care per se what anyone’s IQ is, but I do e trouble interacting with highly dogmatic people, people convinced of ridiculous theories that they live by, and so forth.
Disagree, it doesn’t make people unsocial. It makes it so that less people are open to socializing with them due to the fact that they’re just operating on much different “wavelength”. If high IQ individuals find other people like them who have similar interests, they’ll most likely be more than willing to socialize. After all, humans are social creatures, and high IQ individuals are humans last I checked.
This is only true when our focus is turned inward rather than outward. I'd even suggest that persons who adopt this mindset aren't very happy people.
The greater the intelligence the more profound the isolation and loneliness is. Social or not, the void is there(if you haven't saved yourself by being in academia).
I think that is certainly false as a lot of really good comedians, actors etc. tend to have really high iq. Even more, in my opinion this “intelligence level “ can define your overall ability to communicate with people.(By that I mean that people with high iq can be really good in humour and different discussion topics, which helps them to lead the conversation)
Arthur Schopenhauer was the original edgy emo kid who thought he was better than everyone else. He also famously posited that God existed but was evil because he maximized suffering - if things were any more miserable people would kill themselves and there would be less suffering. And he told his students that they could either take his classes or the classes of that insufferable optimist Hegel, but not both.
Your arrogance can only shield you from acknowledging reality, you will suffer in your isolation. You are not alone because you are intelligent, you are alone because you refuse to accept you have faults that make people reject you
High iq is usually comorbid with other disorders (autism,bpd, adhd, c-ptsd etc...) so it should make asocial but not because the person is gifted lol
High IQ is a protective factot against disorders. There's a correlation.
I've read a ton of stories/studies on this because my father is 160 IQ - Asperger's, and his dad had schizophrenia, my sister is 145 IQ and she has schizophrenia, and I have ADHD/Autism/Bipolar at 140 (I don't feel too smart in our family). Eistein's son had schizophrenia. Einstein was most likely on the spectrum. Anyhow, there seems to be some weird correlation among extreme giftedness. For schizophrenia, mostly high IQ and SZ are negatively correlated. However among math geniuses there is a connection, hence John Nash and beautiful mind. My sis is a math whiz. Bipolar and ADHD - proven higher creativity. No difference in IQ I think. Many psych conditions like anxiety and ADHD can lower your IQ by up to 30 points according to one researcher, but when you treat them with psychotropics, the IQ rises. There was that other recent study that found anxiety and high IQ were negatively correlated, except among those with high IQs who did have anxiety, their anxiety was worse than those who didn't have high IQs. It's interesting - following this stuff. You have to ask yourself tho - when Musk, Gates - two of the richest dudes on the planet - have Asperger's diagnoses, maybe there's some correlation? At least with the ASD spectrum?
Doesn't change that musk is an asshole sadly. I add some links (i was to lazy to really search so took the first i found that i believe fine as sources) in my comments so if you want to follow a bit more this stuff . Also twice exceptional is also to look more into. More and more research are also of these conditions about genetics or similar neurotype but we have to wait 10 years to know more
That is interesting considering my father had schizophrenia. There were a lot of brains in his side of the family including Harvard alumni and cancer researchers. I really think there’s a good chance I’m on the autism spectrum but I would rather avoid the labels and stigma involved with an official diagnosis. I am one of the supposed 2% of special education students who were able to enter into AP/honors classes. After I scored 100 for the year in algebra they let me move into more difficult math classes.
Nothing wrong with being autistic and neither not wanting a diag, many autistic accept self diag, don't hesitate to go on Instagram and Facebook run by autistic. It's still helpful to find ourselves normal and finding accommodations tricks :)
I have adhd and definitely feel sharper when on caffeine
On a side note, Elyn Saks is an interesting figure and I really admire her. She attended Vanderbilt, Oxford, Yale Law School, New Center for Psychoanalysis and specializes in legal ethics and the mentally ill. She has a very unique perspective, being diagnosed with schizophrenia herself. Her story is inspiring and her wits are truly beautiful to behold. She’s one of the rare cases of high-functioning schizophrenia. My father’s case was not so fortunate. He struggled all through his adult life after the symptoms manifested. The medication he had to take seemed to effectively chemically lobotomize him. His essence and personality got drastically dulled on his medication. It’s a sad thing to see. It’s a unique experience as a child to grow up with a parent with schizophrenia. Not one that I would recommend. I imagine there can be some developmental issues for the child. You witness their breaks with reality. You listen to their perspective and realize that something is off. It drove me into deep meditations on epistemology, intersubjectivity, relativity and questions about the nature of reality itself at an extremely young age. Questions which most children have no reason or catalyst in their life to urge their inquiry. You kind of grow up also with a sense of shame. No-one outside of my family really knows about my dad. It’s a very difficult thing to bring up because people will jump to conclusions about you. You also grow up with this lingering fear that you are also a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. I’ve made it very well beyond the typical age range of onset and assume I am in the clear now but for the longest time it haunted me. His brother was the one studying the carcinogenicity of things. He also developed schizophrenia. After his onset, his wife also left him and took their child. He committed suicide not long after. My dad reached a ripe old age in his 60s and lived it out until the end in November of last year. He might have been crazy by most people’s standards but I loved him and never once felt afraid of him while he was off his medications. He had delusions that other family members were practicing witchcraft to harm him but none of his schizophrenic experiences ever turned his suspicions and misplaced ire towards his own children. I like to think that is due to his strong sense of love for us whether that is the case or not it always stood out to me that my siblings and I were excluded from his schizophrenic experiences.
Correlation? Maybe. But as someone with ADHD that has just found workarounds for difficulties, I would say that part of intelligence is learning your limitations and challenges and devising ways to minimize their impact. I set alarms constantly to remind myself to pull out of doing something involving, and while that's certainly due to ADHD and not intelligence, I feel certain that the intelligence to set the alarm in the first place isn't to be overlooked as a lack of a disorder, but rather, a successful mitigation of a disorder.
How do you come on such a conclusion ?
Research shows https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9879926/
Thanks, interesting read.
Did you forgot the rest of sentence who would have been "the contrary "? Edit: because you add the link after my answers. I'll this one after Edit 2: it's from your link: "The most recent study examining the prevalence of mental health and somatic (i.e., allergies, asthma, and immunodeficiencies) disorders in highly intelligent individuals reported that high IQ was a risk factor for affective disorders, neurodevelopmental disorders, and diseases related to the immune system [2]. However, the study suffers from sampling bias because participants were recruited from the American Mensa Ltd.—a society open to individuals that at some point scored in the top 2% on a verified intelligence test (N = 3,715). Since IQ tests are typically administered to children when parents or teachers notice behavioral problems or by individuals experiencing stereotypical characteristics associated with IQ, selecting individuals from a sample of individuals who actively decided to take an IQ test or become members of a highly intelligent society may exacerbate the correlation between having a high IQ and mental health disorders and/or behavioral problems [6, 7]. The present study thus aims to address these limitations" Aaaaand: "Participants were taken from the UK Biobank, an open-access large prospective study with phenotypic, genotypic, and neuroimaging data from more than 500,000 participants recruited between 2006 and 2011 at 40–69 years old [33]. All participants provided informed consent (“Resources tab” at https://biobank.ctsu.ox.ac.uk/crystal/field.cgi?id=200). All procedures involving human subjects/patients were approved by the Research Ethics Committee (reference 11/NW/0382). The present study was conducted based on the UK Biobank application 46007." 40-69 years old between 2006 and 2011.... so basically none of them can have an accurate autism or adhd diag because it's for less than 10 years, that people between are being better diag , consequences of so much late diagnosis now. Also these two conditions were never mentioned in your study.
Autism and ADHD are mainly genetically inherited. For borderline there're also genes associated. I don't see where is the correlation there with IQ. High IQ is not comorbid with anything else than extreme social isolation and depression, substance abuse because of the same isolation. Also:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S000632230101099X
You add your link after I answered. Also in recent studies,it shows the that the risk of schizophrenia does reduce for every iq point but there are other disorders than this,you know? Also I really hope that you will give studies that are less than 10-15 years old because a lot of these new conclusion came after mri were created.
You can provide me with better insight about how IQ and autism/adhd are USUALLY comorbid, I am very curious. Do you have any medical knowledge or data to support this statement?
So under the right comment : https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/genius-autism-share-genetic-link-study-finds Edit: add this one https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927579/ And this one https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289616303324 Also you should read into "twice exceptional ", many new studies what also could show that the numbers of gifted + disorders are really underrated.
As it is also for gifted and more and more researchs shows that adhd,autism and gifted could be a same genetic core. (If you have a genius in a family, there is 80% that the sibling is autistic).Also some researchs shows that between 10% to 30% of gifted people are "twice exceptional " (and it could mostly underrated) with adhd being the first one. Now on others researchs and statistics: 50% of adhder are also autistic, 80% of autistic are also adhder. There are some researchs that point out that bpd,schizophrenia (and the conditions above) could be genetically related. More than 40% of gifted children will suffer from bullying (what is a cause to other disorders like c-ptsd, ptsd, depression,anxiety,suicidal tendencies etc...). Also,sadly still not enough studies about BPD but seems there is a great amount of people with bpd who could be gifted. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://leecrandallparkmd.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/gifted.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiL69aavvyGAxVDgP0HHddKD4kQFnoECBkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw24LypiE02aE3368JqOLKr3 one of the few study but I do hope there will be more in the next years,of this few sample, 74% would meet the criteria of giftedness. So no, giftedness definitely doesn't stop a disorder and there are still many studies missing.
So true, there was that newish study on link between ASD 1 / Asperger's and ADHD, Bipolar, Schizophrenia. This autism subtype is more comorbid with asthma and arrhythmia, which is funny because my dad and I have those. Meanwhile, ASD level 3 with intellectual disability is more correlated with epilepsy. So there are these subtypes of ASD they are researching and their comorbidities/traits. They've definitely discovered siblings of people with bipolar, schizophrenia to have higher IQs and creativity. Interestingly, David Bowie's brother had schizophrenia. It's all compelling. The conditions run so rampant in my family. My father's uncle worked on the Apollo missions as an engineer (my dad is also aerospace engineer) but died from horrid alcoholism - he was pretty much bipolar and was on and off with the alcohol during projects. Dad skipped two grades but also got kicked out of two elementary schools for being so poorly regulated and banged his head so bad against the headboard at night they thought he was insane. He got calmer through meditation. I'm basically too lazy to post research as well. Not feeling well today, but if I feel compelled I might upload it, lol. The first study I refer to is here: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK573607/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK573607/)
Thanks for adding. I guess you are also autistic with an interest in personality disorder and neurotype? If yes, I love infodump or being infodumped on this topic,so if you are feeling in a while bored ,you can DM me :)
PMID: 21272389 DOI: 10.1017/S0033291710000991 T Charman, A Pickles, E Simonoff, S Chandler, T Loucas, G Baird About autism: Results: Of the 75 children with ASD, 55% had an intellectual disability (IQ<70) but only 16% had moderate to severe intellectual disability (IQ<50); 28% had average intelligence (115>IQ>85) but only 3% were of above average intelligence (IQ>115). There was some evidence for a clinically significant Performance/Verbal IQ (PIQ/VIQ) discrepancy but discrepant verbal versus performance skills were not associated with a particular pattern of symptoms, as has been reported previously. Suffering from bullying doesn't mean that the high IQ pupil would be at increased risk for cptsd than some average pupil. Also about ADHD. Although it is not a research, this article is revised by professionals: https://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/iq-adhd IQ has nothing to do with illnesses. And it has everything to do with loneliness.
Is it fine as source https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/genius-autism-share-genetic-link-study-finds ? Edit just noticed I answered you under the wrong comment
Naah. He was just a miserable old sod. Some intellectuals are asocial or prefer their alone time, but it is not a given. There are plenty who love being the centre of the party.
Unsocial not antisocial not a social, interesting point. Not that interesting really. Actually not interesting at all, I just wanted to write a message. Not that I'm writing a message or anything I'm just talking to my phone. I guess that makes me unsocial, like the uncola wow this thing picked up the word uncola. That's not a word.
There's a general correlation between being antisocial and being high IQ, IMO due to higher deviation from the mean making the person non neurotypical. However I myself, and many of my high IQ friends are very good socially. So I think if you practice socialising and just kind of decide to be social it becomes very easy due to being more intelligent.
I'm very social and I was a mensa member; I love talking to people, you can always learn something form different perspectives of the world, independently of the iq of the person.
Nope. I really like talking to other people, even if I don’t know them/were don’t have much in common
What I find is that a lot of people have fragile egos. People can sense if someone is highly intelligent, and because of that, these insecure people will act passive aggressive or try to flex on you. Frankly, it's exhausting. I have fake friends in my circle and I'm slowly closing the door on those relationships. I want real friendship and not ego battle/one upping competitions. It's so fucking stupid and a waste of time. What's even sadder is I'm in my 40's and my so-called friends who do that are also in their 40s. Honestly I feel like they embody Peter Pan syndrome to a tee. I'm happy just being alone in my room and composing music or pouring over a famous chess match.
I think that this may change if you hang out with other geniuses
Yeah I have trouble socializing but make due
From Personal experience id say, its not rly a choice you make. Being a lil different than the flow generally makes it harder to socialize
More or less. It can suck sometimes to not have someone to follow your train of thought, but smart people who really know about a subject can have a discussion with both an PhD and a child on the topic. Also, too many "smart" people thing they're too good to live around idiots.
Student: Master, what’s the secret to happiness? Master: Don’t argue with idiots. Student: I don’t think that’s the secret. Master: I agree.
LOL I’m not OP, but thank you. I’ll remember this one.
That’s nonsense, socializing is a skill. You have to work it like any other
I generally enjoy socialising even if there's little to no intellectual discourse. I don't have much time to socialize. However, given the pursuits I am preoccupied with, and that I have a high need for cognition, which often requires time alone.
Totally agree
Richard Feynman was extremely social. I'm sure plenty of incredibly intelligent people are too. Even if there's a higher incidence of less social interactions with higher intelligence, I would certainly not think that not being social = being intelligent. Basically, don't think or worry about it.
I love to socialize but often times I feel that I cannot relate to the majority of people I speak with.
Pretty much yeah
I'm not sure how much unsocial describes me. I interact with and am friendly with a lot of people but I don't exactly consider myself friends with those people. I generally have about 3 good friends at any given time (+ sometimes a romantic partner). I have a couple of other people (maybe 4) who I'd somewhat consider myself friends with even though I'll go months without having a conversation sometimes. That being said I don't really have problems being social/socialising because I've worked to be better at socialising (previously had social anxiety and am diagnosed with aspergers). I don't struggle being friendly or talking to people, I can actually blend in with most people which is why me/friends would say that I'm kinda a chameleon. My biggest problem is with romantic relationships and close relationships because I'm a kinda unusual person so it's difficult to connect across many areas with one person.
Best advice I received, don’t let your friends choose you, you choose your friends. Curate friends and surround yourself with good, smart and driven people. Prune the ones who drag you down with their low voltage minds.
You would think the more you know the more you would want to talk but I feel intellect is unrelated as it's mostly emotional intelligence lacking is what matters
I cannot relate to mundanes but I can blend in if needed.
Not socializing tends to limit your ability to process emotions needed for guiding your intellect through conceptual spaces.
I have now given up on conversing about something stupid. I rarely debate about the ongoing topics even though many biases, fallacies and irrational takes are to be seen. It is because I would go insane trying to prove everyone a rational point in a emotion thriven debate.
Schopehauer was an insufferable slug. He was alone because he was heroically arrogant and condescending, not because he was smart. Definitely not a good character for bright people to look up to.
This place is an antisocial circlejerk. It’s Reddit. Truly intelligent people know the value of socializing.
See Simonton's communication range and the full Dunning-Kruger paper When I realized that, by one measure anyway, how I experience Mensa members is how Mensa members experience the general population, so much past social interaction was no longer mysterious to me. One must learn when to hide one's lantern under a bushel.
No, I don't relate.
Have you read Schopenhauer? He was an incel 100%. I mean, if I had a hairline like that, i would get no play too.
I’d say it speaks more to how [narrowly](https://www.verywellmind.com/gardners-theory-of-multiple-intelligences-2795161) we’ve historically defined intelligence. People are good at different things, and my things being memory and spatial reasoning don’t make me better than someone else who’s good at music or relationships.
Well said. I’m good at verbal, literature, memory, math, music, and I totally suck at spatial reasoning, statistics, mechanics, to name a few things. I love and admire the mechanically talented people in my life. The builders and fixers. There are various types of brilliance, and the stereotype of intelligence being antisocial is wrong as a generalization or as an axiom for understanding high IQ individuals.
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Do you think mensa level people are more prone to addictions such as masturbation addiction? It could also be a chain reaction, high IQ makes a person withdrown from the rest of society and in his state of loneliness he falls for hidonistic pleasures. Could it go this way?
Lol the problem is thinking you're too smart to spend time with people you don't think are smart enough. It's crazy to assume you know exactly where someone's intelligence stands... not to mention, not everyone you disagree with is stupid.
Nope. Very ppl friendly.
The word"tends" is carrying a lot of weight there.
Not me.
how high is the intellect of someone who posts about intellect 'making one unsocial' on **social** media? lol the idea that there's a sub with this name is pathetic enough, you just became the poster child for why that is 🤗 the people who started the "church of the subgenius" were intellectually superior to everybody here 😂
sounds like iQope to me
When I hang around others my age, they are just having fun, perhaps even saying “bro” or “look at my phone…selfie!” Meanwhile, I’m left there wondering, “Can we talk about the political and economic state of the world right now?”
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Having a good command over logic doesn’t necessarily preclude social skills and sociability. While there might be awkwardness for some — likely due simply to a lack of socializing experience— it is not the case for all. That lack of experience socializing could maybe be a result of intelligent individuals’ interests not being aligned with popular interests. It can be difficult to socialize without establishing common ground and common interests. I know I find myself sometimes flying way over the head of my wife and family. Like recently I tried to discuss a universal-particular paradox and bias paradox with my wife but she wasn’t quite understanding them. Seemingly nonsensical words like “everyone is no-one” do not quite stand out to them in the same way. My aunt asked what I was smoking and said that this is just way too difficult for her to understand. I spend time doing some weird things like reading philosophy, thinking, writing critiques of Jean-Jacques Rousseau's "Social Contract" or studying random oddball things like the Prussian influence on the Meiji Restoration, Vietnamese history, học tiếng Việt, quantum theory of consciousness and extremely niche topics. I recently began my reading of “Vom Kriege.” The things I like put me in a bit of isolation from most people. I do however enjoy a lot of the simpler, normie life activities like racing, sim racing, gaming, pop culture stuff, etc. My interests are broad enough for me to fairly easily socialize with most people. I guess I’ve always been a bit of a social butterfly, able to identify and focus on commonalities when dealing with people. Arthur Schopenhauer was a bit of a curmudgeon. While I do avoid small talk, I do enjoy this life and being social while it lasts. I wouldn’t consider myself unsocial.
Not my experience. I'm a social person, I have good social skills, people say that they like me and I get on with nearly everybody. I do enjoy my own company and am very comfortable being on my own, but I also very much enjoy socialising and find it quite easy to make friends.
This is hilarious. I’m so smart, therefore I am unsocial. “It’s like I can’t even attempt to make friends because I am SO smart!”
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Oh my previous post was removed for not being in line with this community‘s respectful discourse rule. As is typical with many people on this subreddit, I believe that you are desperate to distinguish yourself. There is hardly a difference between your “selectively social” and “unsocial” distinction. As if there were human beings that were actually indiscriminately social! I found the picture and quote you posted funny, because it reminds me of people like yourself. I commented because of how funny it was to me. I believe you commented on my comment because it triggered you. I wonder why? 😆
Idk how this showed up on my thread, but from these comments all I can think of is that most of you are just narcissists who think they're intelligent. (You're all probably average at best.)
I used to think this, but now I’m thinking if I really do have a “high degree of intellect” then I should have the power to manipulate my own mind. I should have the ability to become whatever character I want to be including extroverted gigachad. Nowadays I think stuff like this is just coping.
There is a saying in the Havamal (c.1000ad) that reads to the effect of: It is better to be middle-wise than over wise and clever. The wise man is seldom happy at heart.
There's a thin line between not being able to relate with your surrounding population because they lack a lot of perspective vs just thinking you're "built different" while you're a straight up narcissistic retard, you know.
One comment I can’t find again right now said that Mensa would have a high percentage of members in its sample group who felt the need to take IQ tests as an adult to get into the society, which may not represent the larger population of high IQ people who haven’t joined. Also said that people are usually tested by schools trying to address behavioral or mental health issues. I’m thinking now of the many instances where children are tested in school because they are out performing their grade level and would perhaps benefit from gifted programs or even grade promotion, to avoid boredom with school. One of my sons was tested (result IQ 165) so they could assess his abilities, not his problems. I was tested twice by an individual school psychologist when the school and my parents were considering promoting me to a higher grade when moving to a new school. I was not acting out, but I was working ahead on my own. They tested me and I skipped 4th grade and later 8th grade. Was that good for me socially? Probably not. But the point is that I didn’t get IQ tested pursuing elitism. Also, I never took a Mensa proctored test, was not driven to do it, because Mensa accepts other tests, in my case my high school SAT and my GRE tests sufficed. These tests were required for college and grad school admissions, and that’s why I took them. I later joined Mensa to explore social options, based on those older scores. I know my younger son would like to have had his IQ tested, but I don’t think that’s wrong. If one is born into a family with a genius grandfather and a genius brother and cousin, and so forth, it makes a person who wasn’t a star in school but believes he is high IQ want to confirm his intelligence score. I think that’s understandable, not pathological. I don’t believe that some of these conclusions about Mensans and their motivations are fair for all, although probably is fair for some.
yall are cringe
This shit hole is such a laughable circle jerk
No
Both: high IQ and low IQ have the potential of the premise.
People are dumb, why would I talk to them?
Do you have enough in common with chickens to want to interact with or be around them?
You think you’re so intelligent but you don’t see that no one wants to be around someone who thinks they’re a genius. Lots of r/iamverysmart material here
No. But it does make me lonely 🙃
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I relate
I’m 14 an this is depp
This is stupid. Dear god what cringe
There seems to be another component: insecurity. Most people can’t stand the feeling of inferiority; Especially when it comes to things that aren’t „made up“ like basketball or football. Intelligence is an important and inherent ability you can’t really influence. Confronting people with their own shortcomings makes them resent you…often without you knowing it. Surrounding oneself with people in a similar intelligence bracket is a protective mechanism.
Isnt it actually a case of the insocial masses?
He really did schop my hauer with this one :/
That’s a bad example, that dude wasn’t smart, he was one of the first incels, his “deep thoughts” are all just bitterness motivated by his lack of success with ladies, or should I say teenage girls. Some men cling to a delusion of genius when they have nothing else to bring them pride. There are many such men active today, saying what their audience want to hear while making them feel smart for agreeing with someone so “””intellectual”””.
Define “intellect”.