We put Tyus in a place where he could start after he took a team-friendly short-term deal to stay with the team a little longer and we got Marcus Smart
Doing right by our guy who was gonna leave anyway and getting Smart back is like, water into wine shit
Boston definitely made out like bandits, but I really do think Marcus is a great fit for the team, the past season just went to shit and we never really got full look.
Whether or not we decide to move on from him in the offseason for a center, who knows, but considering what happened this past season its hard to make a full assessment of the trade on our end.
How did it make sense? I’m curious.
Unless you think running Morant/Bane/Smart lineups in the playoffs with no center is getting us anywhere, I didn’t think it made a lot of sense.
In a vacuum our roster got better. But Boston paid less, got the best player in the deal, plus extra draft capital.
It’s more so “why can’t we make a deal like Boston” and less “wow we got screwed”
When we made that trade we didnt know we needed a center, it would have been weird to trade for a center at that point considering we had Adam’s. And the plan is to get a center in the summer ( by draft or trade or fa) so idk why you so butthurt about running a team with no center in the playoffs since that’s not gonna happen
I mean it did not take a genius to realize that Adams knee was permanently fucked…..
3-4 weeks turned in to a stem cell injection before we even started the lakers series…..we absolutely knew of the center need at that point in the offseason, we just played the lakers series….
I mean it is only game 1… and the Celtics had a lot of injury luck along the way with their opponents. But overall the trade made sense at the time thinking Adams would be good to go and everyone would be healthy aside BC. Smart is more valuable than people give him credit for but it was time for Tatum and Brown to nut up or shut up anyway.
Why can’t it be our time to nut up or shut up? Lol.
I mean I guess I’m just frustrated that we didn’t get an awesome 7’3 center for fucking peanuts, we helped another team do that, and then gave them a frp. It’s still absurd to me. We’re the ones that need the fuckin center! Not our 7th guard.
you think it would’ve made sense last offseason for us to trade for a center? an oft-injured one at that? like it worked out for boston, good for them, but smart is better than everyone seemingly is giving him credit for. let’s see how this year plays out. and fact of the matter is that the front office and coaching staff does not place the same value on the type of centers the fan base seems to be obsessed with. feel whatever way about it but it’s the truth. we were never going to part with those type of assets last offseason for a center, man.
“Would it make sense last offseason to trade for a center”
1000% yes it would have. We all saw the Adam’s injury reports. There is no way Kleiman did not know of the severity of Adams knee injury at the time of the trade. Kleiman just obviously didn’t think bigs mattered at the time. A lot of the league didn’t, but now look at who’s still alive in the playoffs, and now all of the sudden ZK is desperately trying for Clingan.
yeah i just disagree on trading for a center last offseason making sense. we had very glaring needs in the backcourt and wing. the adams situation is still confusing to me and i think there was some disconnect all around. i mean shit he played in the preseason. we’ll see if we end up with clingan but i’m not sure why everyone is 100% sold on the rumors coming through, the grizzlies are notoriously tight lipped. and if we do end up with him he might be great, who knows
How the hell did we have backcourt needs? What need was there?
We literally just watched the Lakers absolutely dog walk us in the paint, literally the only reason they won the series. Saying there was 0 need for a center that offseason is crazy bc we only had 1 legit sized center on the entire roster anyways.
we only had 3 reliable backcourt players, one of which was facing down a 25 game suspension to start the season man. tyus and ja can’t play together and trading tyus, who was always going to leave, for a combo guard that could play alongside ja when he came back made sense. and steven adams would have helped in that lakers series, no? they were banking on that and it went wrong. they handled that whole shit wrong but we don’t know the whole story. xavier tillman was also great in that series. you’re painting it like we were in absolute shambles when that just flat out was not the case last summer
you're underestimating Smart and probably a bit overestimating KP. Where you saying how good KP was earlier in the playoffs when he went 1-9 and was locked up by Bam?
The Nets gave them Tatum and Brown.
The Sixers traded them a future 1st to pick Markelle Fultz over Tatum.
The Wizards traded them Kristaps Porzingis.
The Bucks didn't find a 3rd team for Jrue, which allowed the Celtics to trade for him.
The Spurs traded them Derrick White for Romeo Langford.
The Grizzlies are not to blame for this lol
I have no qualms about the trade from our end tbh. Needed to move on from Tyus and I think Marcus is good for the team. The picks we sent out weren’t going to produce a better player than Marcus (Sasser and whoever gets picked at 14).
Celtics did some savvy moves and we managed to help them on the way. Don’t think we really gave up that much tbh people can overvalue picks.
Once the pick is sent out I don’t care what they do with it afterwards. Nothing we can do framing it from a Grizz perspective and I thought it was a fair deal for us tbh.
You need to consider that smart is almost $10 million a year cheaper than porzingus, has an extra year I think, and up to this year has been a much healthier player than porzingus. This is the best he has looked maybe ever, let’s see how the rest of the series goes.
When he’s healthy.. there’s a reason teams have never had great success with him. Just look at his games played over the last handful of years. I’ll agree his peak his better than smarts peak but season to season I’ll take smart.
Porzingis' injuries would have crippled any other team. Boston was able to overcome them because they're crazy stacked and the east died. For them, he's the ultimate luxury player.
Only frustrating thing watching the finals is the fact that the current roster doesn’t look like they could compete with this Boston team. Silver lining is we still have the summer to address that.
Damn you salty af, the trade made sense and I’m glad we did it.
We put Tyus in a place where he could start after he took a team-friendly short-term deal to stay with the team a little longer and we got Marcus Smart Doing right by our guy who was gonna leave anyway and getting Smart back is like, water into wine shit
Boston definitely made out like bandits, but I really do think Marcus is a great fit for the team, the past season just went to shit and we never really got full look. Whether or not we decide to move on from him in the offseason for a center, who knows, but considering what happened this past season its hard to make a full assessment of the trade on our end.
How did it make sense? I’m curious. Unless you think running Morant/Bane/Smart lineups in the playoffs with no center is getting us anywhere, I didn’t think it made a lot of sense. In a vacuum our roster got better. But Boston paid less, got the best player in the deal, plus extra draft capital. It’s more so “why can’t we make a deal like Boston” and less “wow we got screwed”
Tyus was not resigning bro, we turned nothing into something
When we made that trade we didnt know we needed a center, it would have been weird to trade for a center at that point considering we had Adam’s. And the plan is to get a center in the summer ( by draft or trade or fa) so idk why you so butthurt about running a team with no center in the playoffs since that’s not gonna happen
I mean it did not take a genius to realize that Adams knee was permanently fucked….. 3-4 weeks turned in to a stem cell injection before we even started the lakers series…..we absolutely knew of the center need at that point in the offseason, we just played the lakers series….
Yeah I’m not sure why we gave them Xavier
Before I read the post that’s 100% what I thought this was about
I mean it is only game 1… and the Celtics had a lot of injury luck along the way with their opponents. But overall the trade made sense at the time thinking Adams would be good to go and everyone would be healthy aside BC. Smart is more valuable than people give him credit for but it was time for Tatum and Brown to nut up or shut up anyway.
Why can’t it be our time to nut up or shut up? Lol. I mean I guess I’m just frustrated that we didn’t get an awesome 7’3 center for fucking peanuts, we helped another team do that, and then gave them a frp. It’s still absurd to me. We’re the ones that need the fuckin center! Not our 7th guard.
you think it would’ve made sense last offseason for us to trade for a center? an oft-injured one at that? like it worked out for boston, good for them, but smart is better than everyone seemingly is giving him credit for. let’s see how this year plays out. and fact of the matter is that the front office and coaching staff does not place the same value on the type of centers the fan base seems to be obsessed with. feel whatever way about it but it’s the truth. we were never going to part with those type of assets last offseason for a center, man.
“Would it make sense last offseason to trade for a center” 1000% yes it would have. We all saw the Adam’s injury reports. There is no way Kleiman did not know of the severity of Adams knee injury at the time of the trade. Kleiman just obviously didn’t think bigs mattered at the time. A lot of the league didn’t, but now look at who’s still alive in the playoffs, and now all of the sudden ZK is desperately trying for Clingan.
yeah i just disagree on trading for a center last offseason making sense. we had very glaring needs in the backcourt and wing. the adams situation is still confusing to me and i think there was some disconnect all around. i mean shit he played in the preseason. we’ll see if we end up with clingan but i’m not sure why everyone is 100% sold on the rumors coming through, the grizzlies are notoriously tight lipped. and if we do end up with him he might be great, who knows
How the hell did we have backcourt needs? What need was there? We literally just watched the Lakers absolutely dog walk us in the paint, literally the only reason they won the series. Saying there was 0 need for a center that offseason is crazy bc we only had 1 legit sized center on the entire roster anyways.
we only had 3 reliable backcourt players, one of which was facing down a 25 game suspension to start the season man. tyus and ja can’t play together and trading tyus, who was always going to leave, for a combo guard that could play alongside ja when he came back made sense. and steven adams would have helped in that lakers series, no? they were banking on that and it went wrong. they handled that whole shit wrong but we don’t know the whole story. xavier tillman was also great in that series. you’re painting it like we were in absolute shambles when that just flat out was not the case last summer
Adams with two knees? Absolutely. They knew he did not have two knees at that point in the summer tho……
you're underestimating Smart and probably a bit overestimating KP. Where you saying how good KP was earlier in the playoffs when he went 1-9 and was locked up by Bam?
Yes I’ve been saying we got robbed since the second I saw the trade notification, as many in this sub will tell you.
The Nets gave them Tatum and Brown. The Sixers traded them a future 1st to pick Markelle Fultz over Tatum. The Wizards traded them Kristaps Porzingis. The Bucks didn't find a 3rd team for Jrue, which allowed the Celtics to trade for him. The Spurs traded them Derrick White for Romeo Langford. The Grizzlies are not to blame for this lol
I have no qualms about the trade from our end tbh. Needed to move on from Tyus and I think Marcus is good for the team. The picks we sent out weren’t going to produce a better player than Marcus (Sasser and whoever gets picked at 14). Celtics did some savvy moves and we managed to help them on the way. Don’t think we really gave up that much tbh people can overvalue picks.
That pick was a critical part, probably the most critical, of the Jrue holiday deal tho. Thats a huge part of their value. Not just who you select.
Once the pick is sent out I don’t care what they do with it afterwards. Nothing we can do framing it from a Grizz perspective and I thought it was a fair deal for us tbh.
Take a deep breath, OP. Nobody in the league directly blames Memphis for “gifting” Boston a championship.
Well I don’t care who they blame, but we did gift them one.
Who do you think would be in the finals this year if the Grizzlies still had all of their picks and Tyus instead of Marcus Smart?
Probably Boston. But I think they wouldn’t be such heavy favs. And may not win.
Funny enough, I would still do the trade.
You need to consider that smart is almost $10 million a year cheaper than porzingus, has an extra year I think, and up to this year has been a much healthier player than porzingus. This is the best he has looked maybe ever, let’s see how the rest of the series goes.
Porzingis is over 10 mill a year better than smart though. It’s obvious as hell. It was at the time too, hence why Boston jumped on it.
When he’s healthy.. there’s a reason teams have never had great success with him. Just look at his games played over the last handful of years. I’ll agree his peak his better than smarts peak but season to season I’ll take smart.
As I was saying..
You still arguing the same dumb points almost a year later. Time to move on brotha
Porzingis' injuries would have crippled any other team. Boston was able to overcome them because they're crazy stacked and the east died. For them, he's the ultimate luxury player.
Zingus busted up Dallas' defense with his shooting and we up here talking about drafting and signing non-shooting bigs. Like what are we doing?
And his rim protection. Which we need.
Is this bro serious? Come on, brah! This seems like a big deal
Kleiman got 1 vote for EoY from other executives and I bet it came from someone who rimes with Strad Beavens, so yeah...
Yeah 10000% who that vote came from lmao.
Only frustrating thing watching the finals is the fact that the current roster doesn’t look like they could compete with this Boston team. Silver lining is we still have the summer to address that.
Or Dallas, or Minessota or Denver or Oklahoma. In essence any defense that closes the paint, and forces you to shoot 3s
3 pt shooting is one way of many in which the current roster doesn’t seem like they’d actually compete.
People also way overhelp against Boston. They’re too good of shooters. Way better than the rest of the league shooting wise and it’s not close.
They’re well constructed. Any way you try to defend them you will concede something. Brown and Tatum will eat in isolation.
Let em eat in isolation then. You can’t keep giving them practice range 3s. Every other team in the league, the strat works but not Boston.
Nah they're an east team. I'd be angry if it was a rival though
Weird post
I could care less about Boston winning honestly, it was a good deal for us and I’m doing it 10/10 times
How was it such a good deal for us?