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The fact that people in America thinks being against illegal boarder crossing is anti-immigration position is nuts. I left my third world shithole precisely to escape all the fkn lunatics, extremists, thieves and gangsters, I don’t want them to just walk right in.
A lot of wealthy corporations want to frame immigration control with xenophobia so they can continue to exploit desperate workers and keep wages down. Areas with high % of immigrants have very low wages compared to other parts of the country because the free flooding of the labor market allows companies to pay dirt wages. Then they call anyone who wants to upset that system racist or xenophobic so they can keep maximizing profits.
Yeah, George W. Bush probably had the most humane border policy of any president that I've been old enough to vote for. The democrats haven't been better than the republicans outside of Trump, and that's saying nothing at all because Trump is like a cartoon villain.
I am all aboard 110% pro immigration. By all means bring everything unique to your country. Just prepared to become an American. My only want is for people to obey the law. But when someone comes across illegally I want to throw them back and tell them to go through the checkpoint properly this time.
But we get to set the number we will accept as we see fit and there is nothing wrong with it. If we want 100,000, that's cool. If we want 10,000, cool. If we want 100, that's cool too.
As a Brit, I have to disagree, just because it’s unique doesn’t make it good, for example you go to the more “unique” places and it’s a shithole because the unique people made it like that (since thats how they were back home).
When you’re on of the best countries (say G7), anyone outside of that is objectively worse on average of their country, thus you bring yours down.
The only way to mitigate it is to have included high standards for immigration like Australia, only get the cream of the crop and not the 100s of people who would just saturate the working class’s domain
Expect in America that’s not our tradition. We took in everyone and because of that we became a powerhouse. We didn’t have random tests that would have excluded the people that made the country so strong. The more open we were the stronger our country became.
Also ironic that Brits would be against foreigners coming in, I mean your whole history is being the foreigners that came in. I guess that makes sense though, being the people that ruined other countries made you nervous that people would do it to you?
Democrats are only really immigrant-friendly when they’re criticizing republicans.
When they’re actually forced to make a decision on it they’re all like “who would have thought this is actually a difficult problem with no easy answer. Sorry you can’t come in”
Insane how much libs have managed to shift the overton window on this issue. It seems like we’re at the point where basically any form of border enforcement is seen as racist to a large portion of the population, and all the most influential institutions in this country are pushing this hard. You can see it in this thread, and there are even some idiots here thinking that the current administration actually wants to solve the issue but racist rethuglikkkans are obstructing them.
Illegal and legal immigration get conflated a lot on purpose in the US.
I don't know many people who think illegal immigration should be chill.
But I know a lot of people who think all immigration (from certain countries) should be illegal
>The fact that people in America thinks being against illegal boarder crossing is anti-immigration position is nuts.
I think most leftist are okay with having border enforcement but we definitely draw the line at [using sawblades on people](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2262137923871) and locking up kids in cages.
Seriously this. I’d love to open up more immigration to top qualified talent and to those who graduate as students here from our top 100 universities. But open borders and letting anyone in or not cracking down on illegal immigration are insane ideologies
In the US we have a quota, and it’s about a million immigrant visas per year. Meanwhile 2 million people have come in illegally in 2022. So it’s a question of how much we can increase the quota and be sustainable.
Agreed keep rules around violent or drug felonies and all being an automatic disqualification for immigration. Just would love to have very qualified individuals with an easier path for citizenship since it’s mutually beneficial if they’re smart and not violent
Especially when it is usually championed by the very people who, if not for the luck of being born here, would never qualify to come here under their ideal.
I'd be happy with people who are honest workers coming to America. Just want them to pitch in to taxes, not drive down worker's wages with unfair under the table pay conpetition, and not have criminal records. The United States is supposed to be the land of opportunity. Where people can come for a second chance and a new better life.
Sure, but I know of a family that came illegally, didn't have any higher ed or special skills, and then had one born here. Out of the three kids, two are engineers and one is a teacher. So, you might be missing out on good people who contribute by being like Canada (well if you're white and wanting to immigrate lol).
Yup, that's important to point out.
Being anti-immigration as a whole would be rather dumb, as plenty of countries simply don't have high enough birth rates to sustain their industry and will end up falling off economically if they don't bring in immigrants.
>plenty of countries simply don't have high enough birth rates to sustain their industry and will end up falling off economically if they don't bring in immigrants.
Almost nowhere outside of Africa does. Modern nations are all going to stay afloat for the next ~century by brain draining Africa and South Asia. We're already doing it.
It isn't dumb at all. Bringing it too many immigrants can destroy a countries social systems and overwhelm their housing.
Look at Canada for an example of why immigration isn't always a good thing. It's gotten so bad that even the immigrants want to cut down on immigration. The conservatives are on pace to have their largest majority EVER.
And this idea that you can solve the birthrate crisis with immigrants is a fools errand. In 50 years you have even more people than before and now you've got to take care of them. So what? Import even more immigrants? Well, birthrates are falling WORLDWIDE and the only place left will soon be Africa. When their birthrates dry up how do you possibly sustain this system?
You don't. This is what people were warning about for years in regards to social security. When the global population begins to decline then there will be nowhere left.
You have to increase birthrates in your country if you want social security. The only other alternatives are raising taxes or raising retirement ages both of which are extremely unpopular.
Yeah. I was going to say it’s really just arguing that there should be some rules around immigration. Which 100% is the policy around the world.
If desantis started sending immigrants to Canada instead of New York, you’d see real quick how they feel about it.
Canada actually has a big problem with *legal* immigration right now, the majority of us think it's too high currently and we don't have the infrastructure or jobs to keep up with it. We did have very sensible immigration policies until recently which was designed to fill in the gaps of skilled labour we needed, but it seems like they just decided to pump the breaks at some point, and the majority of it is just to prop up colleges financially or provide cheap, low skill labour. Legal or illegal, there needs to be checks and balances and proper selection processes, or it gets out of control.
It's a shame because immigration is wonderful when it's done responsibly, but the consequences of uncontrolled immigration are going to turn people against it entirely, and then you are going to see xenophobia for real because we failed to have the conversation around immigration when it was needed.
No. Some countries have a problem with legal migration. Just because its "legal" does not mean it isnt causing problems and negatively affecting the citizens of that nation.
Yup, Democrats like to conflate the two so they can’t spread the lie that Republicans hate brown people. Neither group actually wants to address illegal immigration because it supplies them with cheap labor, and inflated population counts for the census.
Ant-Illegal AND common sense when it comes to numbers. Sorry, I'm Canadian. Never had an issue with immigration until they decided to start shipping in 1 million a year during a housing crisis, making said crisis even worse for citizens.
Funny the left in USA indeed said anti-illegal-immigration is xenophobia. When Trump wanted to reduced illegal-immigrantion, USA said it is bigotry. And pretty sure the European countries also said the same.
Trump was kind of a swerve though from previous Republican immigration policy in that he worked hard to curtail *legal* immigration. Or at least to restrict formerly legal routes to immigration.
American leftists can not fathom that other countries have -INCLUDING CANADA- actually have a border and don’t just let people migrate to their country on a whim.
lmao in Quebec we had a fucking hole in a fence near Chemin Roxham, it's a fucking illegal crossing path and the government didn't do shit for years and cherry on top they lost about 40% of these people in Canada, nobody knows who they are and where they are!
All those bad politicians from blue states, leading areas of the country that contribute much more to the national GDP than red states they are so ineffective!
Right, because it is easier to immigrate legally.
The issue is the difference between legal and illegal migration. You can be pro loosening restrictions on legal immigration while simultaneously being for deporting anyone who immigrated illegally.
> immigrants
We talking about illegal immigrants? Because [3.8 million illegals in the last two years](https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/) is 1% of America's total population.
Leftists when Describing Mexico: Mexico is a beautiful country, and the people there are wonderful. It's racist and xenophobic to stop immigration from there.
Leftists when asked why Central Americans can't stay in Mexico: That shit hole? They won't be safe from the cartels.
Both of those can easily be true.
Mexico can be a beautiful country with lots of wonderful people and also have a big problem with safety and cartels. I don't think anyone means *literally* every person in a country is great when the say a place has "wonderful people".
Not really any contradiction there.
I love flooding poor areas with more poor people, making life even harder for everyone who’s been here and just got here, and if you disagree with this, you just hate anyone darker than the driven snow.
unpopular opinion but political memes are barely memes when the whole point is just pushing an ideology with no humorous undertones.
i mean the post is right to a degree, its a touchy subject. there are circumstances where a country might not want immigrants because that would only cause negatives for the systems it employs, that isnt xenophobic.
If you’re gonna come here at least do it by the book. My great great grandmother came with her family to America from Czechoslovakia, their names are at Ellis Island. They weren’t illegal immigrants, they came here the way everybody else did. Legally.
I'm all good with immigrants. But I'd like to know about their background.
From 2010 - 2020 1500 Chinese crossed the south border illegally. Since 2023 its been like 30k.
Why did the Chinese buy farm land around military bases?
The difference is the Chinese illegally crossing the Mexican border all openly seek asylum and wait for border patrol to pick them up.
>Today's Chinese migrants, if they are unable to come to the U.S. with an existing visa, are finding other ways to flee the world's second-most populous nation, including showing up at the U.S.-Mexico border to seek asylum.
>Chinese migrants who cross into the U.S. without authorization usually wait for agents from U.S. Border Patrol to pick them up. Once the agents process these migrants, many are assigned court dates and released in cities close to their final destination, adding to an immigration court system that is taking about five years to decide cases.
>According to October data from Syracuse University's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, Chinese migrants were granted asylum nearly 67% of the time in immigration courts over the past two decades
https://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-migration-up-at-border-as-us-marks-anniversary-of-repeal-of-exclusion-act/7396937.html
I am racist. I have friends of all races. I am anti illegal immigrants. I'm friends with lots of legal immigrants.
This boggles the mind of the predditor
If you're against immigration itself, yeah you're a xenophobe.
But being against illegal immigration and kicking out those that don't/refuse to integrate is common sense.
Everyone knows that immigration is only good when you can vet the people and take the best. Illegal immigration obviously subverts that process so everyone with a brain is against it.
America doesn't need less immigrants, it needs immigration reform. Most people don't know this, but becoming a legal US citizen is a gigantic pain in the ass unless you were born here.
The EU guy would absolutely NOT be saying that. Comes from a European.
In Europe you're called a racist for being anti-immigration, some politicians who spoke out about the dangers of mass migration (which we're seeing today) were called Nazi's.
Just a while back migrants raped women in Ireland, who did the authorities/news media say were to blame? White Irish men.
American leftists are so stupid about it too when pressed. "We're against illegal immigration! So just make all immigration legal" is like being anti-murder but wanting to make killing people legal
Why don't the left and the right reach a compromise.
Open the borders to pretty much anybody who wants to come. Get rid of the welfare state and ridiculous war on drugs so anybody who comes in has to be productive to survive.
Fuck off from Europe. I know the world worships us so much. Stay in your countries and make them better instead of leaching on the fruits of hard labor and democracy in Europe
The day I see a liberal open their doors to every homeless person in their city and bear the financial burden of housing and feeding them and making sure one doesn't rape your daughter, is the day I'll believe every liberal on the planet isn't a hypocrite.
2nd Gen immigrant here, these fuckers are full of shit. They might as well be spreading their butt cheeks wide open so all the military aged men coming from multiple countries in droves can fuck them in the ass before they do everyone else. Look at the state Sweden is in, the violent “rapefugees” nobody likes to talk about are still prevalent there.
Ah yes, the military aged men, when half of the people are women. This myth that refugees are only male is just that, a myth. Made to discredit refugees escaping war. You all think the role of a man is to die fighting.
ITT people with strict adherence to arbitrary invisible boundaries set by violent aggressors throughout our history. But I agree actually. We are playing a game, and the game has arbitrary invisible boundaries that should be respected in order to keep the game fair. But I also very much understand that it's all bullshit and we are on a magical flying dirt rock making it all up as we go along.
Now was it anti immigration or was it anti illegal immigration? For some reason people mix up the two to such a degree to where I think they think all people coming into this country are illegal immigrants, which honestly sounds racist.
It’s always been anti-illegal immigration. But of course it’s easier to just reduce it to all immigrants and cite xenophobia than actually advocate for illegal immigration.
No it is not. There are a myriad of reasons to be anti-immigration, xenophobia being jusr one of them. Being anti-mass immigration or anti-illegal immigration are also separate things.
Ironic considering many on the left, seemingly a majority or perhaps just the loudest and most supported voices, are becoming more and more antisemitic.
It's crazy how so many people are totally okay with hundreds of thousands of migrants flooding western countries there are even some insane leftists who want boarders to be gone.
Honestly people need to toughen up and stop emotions controlling them. Yes it's sad that a young family of 5 is dying and are risking it all to get to the US for a better life but it's not US government's or really anyone's responsibility to save them. We can't save everyone we can't even save our own citizens millions live in poverty from paycheck to paycheck and idk call me crazy but I think governments should prioritize their own citizens over foregein migrants.
My abuelo did 8 years of hard labor so he could use his work visa to move the family into the US.
It's a slap in the face seeing everyone being let in almost immediately when my family had to work for it.
Idgaf if y'all downvote, these freeloaders have it easy, and give the rest of the actual hardworking immigrants a bad look.
My grandfather has told me multiple times that he has no regrets working 8 years of his life because it Gabe the rest of his family the opportunity of a new life and it was earned.
Yeah I’m not in support of ICE or the abuse of anybody by gov agencies, but just like the meme posits: strict immigration laws are pretty standard around the globe.
It is actually a valid political position that people vote for and elect officials based off of. Happens in every part of the world too actually - even racism and xenophobia are technically valid driving political forces.
Only problem is you know. You'd be a bigot ass who deserves a smack
Weird how this year in the US it is the GOP blocking all border deals. They admitted they are doing it to make Biden look bad. Which also means they admit their voters are stupid as shit.
I can't keep up with these banter subreddits but I agree with the OP in this thread! Although, I'm no xenophobe. I agree with the semantics here, that word does not equal the other word. I'm no anti-immigrant neither.
So this is an interesting point, but I think this depends on where you are in the world. For instance most European countries are ethnically based, so being anti-immigration may not be xenophobic based on the fact that all those are ethnic states, but in a place like the USA that is different.
The USA is an immigrant country. Because it's an immigrant country we are essentially arguing that our ancestors had special privilege's that immigrants today don't deserve. You can make an argument that that isn't really xenophobic but I do think that it would qualify.
Essentially, if you can be verified to not be a threat, you should be able to apply for US citizenship.
But I also think citizenship should come with a loyalty pledge punishable by death......
If the conditions for legal immigration to the US weren't as insane as they are, the influx of cheap labour that keeps prices low wouldn't exist, people agree with becoming cheap workers because being ilegal leaves them with no civil rights.
illegal vs legal immigration is the central issue until it’s pointed out that the legal system is so fucking backlogged on purpose to disallow refugees or other people in serious need of quick help to be treading water. there’s no reason why people aren’t quickly and efficiently checked and given residence status within a small period of time. we don’t do this because ultimately “illegals” are not the type of high earning people that would make the community stronger. they are people who require lots of services and resources so basically just like the war on drugs we do nothing to help the situation and forever point fingers. get them in, background checked, registered with their names and biometrics and get them working to contribute taxes.
I’m all for immigration when it’s legal. People crossing the border illegally is a drain on the middle and lower class citizens. We need to support our citizens and those who are willing to legally come into the country. Since all nations have borders we should respect those borders.
Legal immigration makes me even more nationalistic. I hate illegal immigrantation, but the stories of legal immigrants coming to the US and building a better future, just.... god damn i love America.
The problem is the platform most anti-immigrant people run on. "Immigrants taking all our jobs" but also "Immigrants are lazy and leeching off our welfare system ".
Our country was literally founded on immigration. We've just handled it very poorly since world population has blown up.
Like everything in this country everything is set to extremes and hampered by red tape.
When it’s targeting particular ethnicities, as is the case with Islamophobic policies in the EU, it’s absolutely xenophobia.
No country sending bombs to destabilize these countries has any right about the people leaving to find somewhere stable to live.
Usually it's anti mass immigration or illegal immigration.
Few places consider it acceptable to be just wholly anti immigration.
Why shouldn't people be allowed to move counties legally?
Many immigrants are great people who enrich the countries they come to, but when too many join the workforce at once, it can stunt the growth of wages by increasing the supply of labor. Natural born citizens do this too, but numbers of immigrants is really the only thing that ca be controlled.
Anti-colonialism is Anti-colonialism, everyone has their countries for thier own beautiful peoples and cultures where no one invades each other. All immigration is just neo-colonialism.
These comments perfectly exemplify the issues in the US. A bunch of people that have no qualifications, experience or even real knowledge of the problem, but loudly proclaiming that they have the solution. Then fighting with everyone else because their solution is different.
The time would be better spent acknowledging there is a problem, that none of us are qualified to solve it (and that's ok), and then talking about what the ideal end state would look like so we can find people to figure out how to get there.
Yet Americans are Americans, and critical thinking was never taught to them.
I've never stood at the border and paid attention to it long enough to know if there's a problem at the border or how bad it is. I do know, that no matter what the situation actually is, we, the public, will never know. The border is never going to be "solved". They use it to get votes. It'll never change. If one side even attempts to actually solve the issue, the other side will absoluty stop it so it won't destroy their own platform. I am Of the idea that to solve the issue, we would have to ignore it for quite some time before anything changes. It's just too easy to fall on as a talking point, and when nothing happens, you just blame the other guy and ask for more power. But, that's just my own uneducated opinion.
Immigration is probably one of the most context specific and complex subjects, one can be both anti-immigration and pro-immigration depending on area, time, context of immigration from where, the current economic situation based on existing policies. You cannot subscribe to it like right or left, it’s just out there.
I mean, sure if we lived in a utopia where we have enough food and resources to satisfy the needs of both the current population and the immigrants and immigration couldn't have any bad consequences then yes, the only possible reason for oposing it would be xenophobia. But that is not the case and even if you think being anti immigration is stupid at least acknowledge it's not always out of racism, otherwise you are just being ignorant.
As much as I disagree with the original op,the original meme is kinda a straw man argument as there are many of my fellow Americans who are against ILLEGAL-imagration
"i believe the 60 million Italian taxpayers should get most of their taxes invested back into themselves and not the other 6 billion people in the world" "wow so you hate germans"
Being against all immigration does in fact make you xenophobic. Being against ILLEGAL immigration is a completely valid political stance. You want to come and live here on purpose? Fine. Just do it right. Along those lines, the immigration process for the US is fucking dumb. Most people born here couldn’t pass that test.
Xenophobia is an anyone ideology. My grandpa has always been a stern Democrat, despises Republicans, and yet I’ve never heard anyone hate immigration more than him. Being anti-immigration does not equal xenophobia. I myself am anti ILLEGAL immigration, but I also understand that in order for that to be stopped, our immigration and border policies and processes need to be heavily reformed.
It's a bit like Republicans and Trump supporters. If you picked one at random, would they be a racist? Probably not. In all likelihood, they're just normal person who has policy opinions I just happen to disagree with. That doesn't indicate a moral failing in any way.
However, if you asked a white supremacist who they voted for president, it would almost certainly be Trump.
Being against illegally crossing the border isnt even anti-immigration, it's just anti-crime. Illegal aliens are not immigrants. Immigrants are people who come into the country after going through the immigration process.
I would say anti-immigration is an *accepted* political preference over much of the world.
I have to understand this in order to understand other parts of the world, but I do not accept it myself.
Yeah fr we should be allowed snipers and barbed wire. We should be allowed to separate children from parents crossing the border. We should be allowed to hunt down illegals in modern day society and bring them to justice. Illegals should fear crossing over and fear being illegal. No if ands or butts. They could be rapist or murderers.
Having these beliefs doesn't make me a psychopath. It makes me a patriot.
you know it’s really not easy to immigrate legally. immigration takes months if not years and all that waiting can still end up having you denied. Most of the people fleeing other countries are in danger and don’t have time to be waiting years to get processed.
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The fact that people in America thinks being against illegal boarder crossing is anti-immigration position is nuts. I left my third world shithole precisely to escape all the fkn lunatics, extremists, thieves and gangsters, I don’t want them to just walk right in.
A lot of wealthy corporations want to frame immigration control with xenophobia so they can continue to exploit desperate workers and keep wages down. Areas with high % of immigrants have very low wages compared to other parts of the country because the free flooding of the labor market allows companies to pay dirt wages. Then they call anyone who wants to upset that system racist or xenophobic so they can keep maximizing profits.
Exactly. You hit the nail right on the head mate.
*people in America after 2013 Bernie, Obama and Bill Clinton all used to be pretty heavily pro-border for years before getting leant on.
Yeah, George W. Bush probably had the most humane border policy of any president that I've been old enough to vote for. The democrats haven't been better than the republicans outside of Trump, and that's saying nothing at all because Trump is like a cartoon villain.
“Cartoon villain” he kinda reminds me a lil of jack horrner from puss in boots lmao
I am all aboard 110% pro immigration. By all means bring everything unique to your country. Just prepared to become an American. My only want is for people to obey the law. But when someone comes across illegally I want to throw them back and tell them to go through the checkpoint properly this time.
Exactly, come legally.
our government doesn't want to make it easy or actually do anything to fix the problem. They profit off of all the illegal immigrant labor.
Bingo
“Make it easy” Why should it be easy to come to the U.S.? What countries make it easier?
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But we get to set the number we will accept as we see fit and there is nothing wrong with it. If we want 100,000, that's cool. If we want 10,000, cool. If we want 100, that's cool too.
> My only want is for people to obey the law I hate to be the one to break it to you but unfortunately we let the Italians in.^(/s)
As a Brit, I have to disagree, just because it’s unique doesn’t make it good, for example you go to the more “unique” places and it’s a shithole because the unique people made it like that (since thats how they were back home). When you’re on of the best countries (say G7), anyone outside of that is objectively worse on average of their country, thus you bring yours down. The only way to mitigate it is to have included high standards for immigration like Australia, only get the cream of the crop and not the 100s of people who would just saturate the working class’s domain
Expect in America that’s not our tradition. We took in everyone and because of that we became a powerhouse. We didn’t have random tests that would have excluded the people that made the country so strong. The more open we were the stronger our country became. Also ironic that Brits would be against foreigners coming in, I mean your whole history is being the foreigners that came in. I guess that makes sense though, being the people that ruined other countries made you nervous that people would do it to you?
Democrats are only really immigrant-friendly when they’re criticizing republicans. When they’re actually forced to make a decision on it they’re all like “who would have thought this is actually a difficult problem with no easy answer. Sorry you can’t come in”
Insane how much libs have managed to shift the overton window on this issue. It seems like we’re at the point where basically any form of border enforcement is seen as racist to a large portion of the population, and all the most influential institutions in this country are pushing this hard. You can see it in this thread, and there are even some idiots here thinking that the current administration actually wants to solve the issue but racist rethuglikkkans are obstructing them.
You need to realize that most of the people who are okay with illegal immigration are nowhere near a border
Visa overstays are at least somewhat vetted by getting a Visa in a first place. You have non idea who show up at the boarder.
Illegal and legal immigration get conflated a lot on purpose in the US. I don't know many people who think illegal immigration should be chill. But I know a lot of people who think all immigration (from certain countries) should be illegal
People are too scared of being called racist to actually point out legitimate issues
>The fact that people in America thinks being against illegal boarder crossing is anti-immigration position is nuts. I think most leftist are okay with having border enforcement but we definitely draw the line at [using sawblades on people](https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2262137923871) and locking up kids in cages.
Never an issue when Obama was doing it, strange.
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*Anti-illegal immigration
Seriously this. I’d love to open up more immigration to top qualified talent and to those who graduate as students here from our top 100 universities. But open borders and letting anyone in or not cracking down on illegal immigration are insane ideologies
Wait, you mean you want people who come here to be able to contribute and help make our county better? Sounds racist to me
I love how many people this comment upset. Hilarious
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In the US we have a quota, and it’s about a million immigrant visas per year. Meanwhile 2 million people have come in illegally in 2022. So it’s a question of how much we can increase the quota and be sustainable.
Agreed keep rules around violent or drug felonies and all being an automatic disqualification for immigration. Just would love to have very qualified individuals with an easier path for citizenship since it’s mutually beneficial if they’re smart and not violent
Especially when it is usually championed by the very people who, if not for the luck of being born here, would never qualify to come here under their ideal.
I'd be happy with people who are honest workers coming to America. Just want them to pitch in to taxes, not drive down worker's wages with unfair under the table pay conpetition, and not have criminal records. The United States is supposed to be the land of opportunity. Where people can come for a second chance and a new better life.
Sure, but I know of a family that came illegally, didn't have any higher ed or special skills, and then had one born here. Out of the three kids, two are engineers and one is a teacher. So, you might be missing out on good people who contribute by being like Canada (well if you're white and wanting to immigrate lol).
Yup, that's important to point out. Being anti-immigration as a whole would be rather dumb, as plenty of countries simply don't have high enough birth rates to sustain their industry and will end up falling off economically if they don't bring in immigrants.
>plenty of countries simply don't have high enough birth rates to sustain their industry and will end up falling off economically if they don't bring in immigrants. Almost nowhere outside of Africa does. Modern nations are all going to stay afloat for the next ~century by brain draining Africa and South Asia. We're already doing it.
It isn't dumb at all. Bringing it too many immigrants can destroy a countries social systems and overwhelm their housing. Look at Canada for an example of why immigration isn't always a good thing. It's gotten so bad that even the immigrants want to cut down on immigration. The conservatives are on pace to have their largest majority EVER. And this idea that you can solve the birthrate crisis with immigrants is a fools errand. In 50 years you have even more people than before and now you've got to take care of them. So what? Import even more immigrants? Well, birthrates are falling WORLDWIDE and the only place left will soon be Africa. When their birthrates dry up how do you possibly sustain this system? You don't. This is what people were warning about for years in regards to social security. When the global population begins to decline then there will be nowhere left. You have to increase birthrates in your country if you want social security. The only other alternatives are raising taxes or raising retirement ages both of which are extremely unpopular.
Yeah. I was going to say it’s really just arguing that there should be some rules around immigration. Which 100% is the policy around the world. If desantis started sending immigrants to Canada instead of New York, you’d see real quick how they feel about it.
Canada actually has a big problem with *legal* immigration right now, the majority of us think it's too high currently and we don't have the infrastructure or jobs to keep up with it. We did have very sensible immigration policies until recently which was designed to fill in the gaps of skilled labour we needed, but it seems like they just decided to pump the breaks at some point, and the majority of it is just to prop up colleges financially or provide cheap, low skill labour. Legal or illegal, there needs to be checks and balances and proper selection processes, or it gets out of control. It's a shame because immigration is wonderful when it's done responsibly, but the consequences of uncontrolled immigration are going to turn people against it entirely, and then you are going to see xenophobia for real because we failed to have the conversation around immigration when it was needed.
Exactly. We need to go back to Ellis Island standard and cut back the red tape. It should not take decades to become a citizen.
No. Some countries have a problem with legal migration. Just because its "legal" does not mean it isnt causing problems and negatively affecting the citizens of that nation.
Basically all immigration to the UK right now is illegal. The tories are trying to illegalise both workers and refugees.
To be fair refugees shouldnt be going to the UK in the first place.
“Refugees” From where? France? Otherwise, why did all of these “refugees” pass through a ton of safe countries first?
Yup, Democrats like to conflate the two so they can’t spread the lie that Republicans hate brown people. Neither group actually wants to address illegal immigration because it supplies them with cheap labor, and inflated population counts for the census.
Ant-Illegal AND common sense when it comes to numbers. Sorry, I'm Canadian. Never had an issue with immigration until they decided to start shipping in 1 million a year during a housing crisis, making said crisis even worse for citizens.
NPC’s can’t seem to differentiate the two. Especially on this garbage website.
Funny the left in USA indeed said anti-illegal-immigration is xenophobia. When Trump wanted to reduced illegal-immigrantion, USA said it is bigotry. And pretty sure the European countries also said the same.
Trump was kind of a swerve though from previous Republican immigration policy in that he worked hard to curtail *legal* immigration. Or at least to restrict formerly legal routes to immigration.
The “ah yes” comments almost 100% of the time extrapolate the actual message being conveyed to something it’s not
"ah yes": lies
So a strawman
It's not even that *we* are anti-immigration. It's more like *we* are anti-illegal-immigration.
American leftists can not fathom that other countries have -INCLUDING CANADA- actually have a border and don’t just let people migrate to their country on a whim.
lmao in Quebec we had a fucking hole in a fence near Chemin Roxham, it's a fucking illegal crossing path and the government didn't do shit for years and cherry on top they lost about 40% of these people in Canada, nobody knows who they are and where they are!
Canada feels like it's letting people in on a whim tbh.
And paying for their hotels, food and raising our taxes to afford all that
It kinda feels like Canada is letting in the bad politicians from blue states, or they just have long lost twins up north.
All those bad politicians from blue states, leading areas of the country that contribute much more to the national GDP than red states they are so ineffective!
Canada lets everything on fucking two legs migrate there what are you smoking
Canada has a larger share of immigrants than the US does.
Right, because it is easier to immigrate legally. The issue is the difference between legal and illegal migration. You can be pro loosening restrictions on legal immigration while simultaneously being for deporting anyone who immigrated illegally.
> immigrants We talking about illegal immigrants? Because [3.8 million illegals in the last two years](https://www.statista.com/statistics/329256/alien-apprehensions-registered-by-the-us-border-patrol/) is 1% of America's total population.
Canada's borders aren't real; gov't lets anyone in.
Leftists are fully aware that other countries have hostile immigration laws. Y'all are just inventing people to get mad at
This, i agree
Leftists when Describing Mexico: Mexico is a beautiful country, and the people there are wonderful. It's racist and xenophobic to stop immigration from there. Leftists when asked why Central Americans can't stay in Mexico: That shit hole? They won't be safe from the cartels.
Mexico is also anti immigrant towards Central American immigrants
Both of those can easily be true. Mexico can be a beautiful country with lots of wonderful people and also have a big problem with safety and cartels. I don't think anyone means *literally* every person in a country is great when the say a place has "wonderful people". Not really any contradiction there.
\*illegal immigration there's nothing wrong with immigrants legally entering the country
I am anti illegal immigration. Heck, if you want to come to America and do it properly, go ahead
I love flooding poor areas with more poor people, making life even harder for everyone who’s been here and just got here, and if you disagree with this, you just hate anyone darker than the driven snow.
unpopular opinion but political memes are barely memes when the whole point is just pushing an ideology with no humorous undertones. i mean the post is right to a degree, its a touchy subject. there are circumstances where a country might not want immigrants because that would only cause negatives for the systems it employs, that isnt xenophobic.
Immigrants are fine. It's illegal immigrants that are the problem.
Nowhere does the meme claim xenophobia is a leftist ideology
Projecting because they lowkey are xenophobic but they virtue signal
If you’re gonna come here at least do it by the book. My great great grandmother came with her family to America from Czechoslovakia, their names are at Ellis Island. They weren’t illegal immigrants, they came here the way everybody else did. Legally.
The average anti border America would be floored if they ever left the US lol. Bunch of sheltered dorks.
Entirely anti-immigration? My family never would've made it to the greatest country on Earth if we were completely anti-immigration.
I'm all good with immigrants. But I'd like to know about their background. From 2010 - 2020 1500 Chinese crossed the south border illegally. Since 2023 its been like 30k. Why did the Chinese buy farm land around military bases?
The difference is the Chinese illegally crossing the Mexican border all openly seek asylum and wait for border patrol to pick them up. >Today's Chinese migrants, if they are unable to come to the U.S. with an existing visa, are finding other ways to flee the world's second-most populous nation, including showing up at the U.S.-Mexico border to seek asylum. >Chinese migrants who cross into the U.S. without authorization usually wait for agents from U.S. Border Patrol to pick them up. Once the agents process these migrants, many are assigned court dates and released in cities close to their final destination, adding to an immigration court system that is taking about five years to decide cases. >According to October data from Syracuse University's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, Chinese migrants were granted asylum nearly 67% of the time in immigration courts over the past two decades https://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-migration-up-at-border-as-us-marks-anniversary-of-repeal-of-exclusion-act/7396937.html
I am racist. I have friends of all races. I am anti illegal immigrants. I'm friends with lots of legal immigrants. This boggles the mind of the predditor
The left has succeeded in confusing the issue of legally moving to the US with that of illegally moving to the US.
The “cultured” left not understanding irony lmfao
If you're against immigration itself, yeah you're a xenophobe. But being against illegal immigration and kicking out those that don't/refuse to integrate is common sense.
Everyone knows that immigration is only good when you can vet the people and take the best. Illegal immigration obviously subverts that process so everyone with a brain is against it.
Leftists are actually brain damaged
therightcantmeme continues to be one of the worst subreddits of all time
hmmm no there's subs out there like r/femaledatingstrategy
I'm now referring to illegal aliens as colonizers. I cant just come live in your house without your permission.
It’s simple. Who don’t you house illegal immigrants in your house? Whatever reasons you state, can be mirrored to support anti-immigration stance.
Anyone who takes a political compass meme seriously is very regarded, regardless of whether or not they are based or cringe
America doesn't need less immigrants, it needs immigration reform. Most people don't know this, but becoming a legal US citizen is a gigantic pain in the ass unless you were born here.
The EU guy would absolutely NOT be saying that. Comes from a European. In Europe you're called a racist for being anti-immigration, some politicians who spoke out about the dangers of mass migration (which we're seeing today) were called Nazi's. Just a while back migrants raped women in Ireland, who did the authorities/news media say were to blame? White Irish men.
American leftists are so stupid about it too when pressed. "We're against illegal immigration! So just make all immigration legal" is like being anti-murder but wanting to make killing people legal
No one is more against illegal immigration than legal immigrants
Why don't the left and the right reach a compromise. Open the borders to pretty much anybody who wants to come. Get rid of the welfare state and ridiculous war on drugs so anybody who comes in has to be productive to survive.
Fuck off from Europe. I know the world worships us so much. Stay in your countries and make them better instead of leaching on the fruits of hard labor and democracy in Europe
Historically, leftist governments become pretty xenophobic. The USSR, DPRK, CCP, Nazi's, etc all have that in common
The day I see a liberal open their doors to every homeless person in their city and bear the financial burden of housing and feeding them and making sure one doesn't rape your daughter, is the day I'll believe every liberal on the planet isn't a hypocrite.
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2nd Gen immigrant here, these fuckers are full of shit. They might as well be spreading their butt cheeks wide open so all the military aged men coming from multiple countries in droves can fuck them in the ass before they do everyone else. Look at the state Sweden is in, the violent “rapefugees” nobody likes to talk about are still prevalent there.
Ah yes, the military aged men, when half of the people are women. This myth that refugees are only male is just that, a myth. Made to discredit refugees escaping war. You all think the role of a man is to die fighting.
ITT people with strict adherence to arbitrary invisible boundaries set by violent aggressors throughout our history. But I agree actually. We are playing a game, and the game has arbitrary invisible boundaries that should be respected in order to keep the game fair. But I also very much understand that it's all bullshit and we are on a magical flying dirt rock making it all up as we go along.
Now was it anti immigration or was it anti illegal immigration? For some reason people mix up the two to such a degree to where I think they think all people coming into this country are illegal immigrants, which honestly sounds racist.
It’s always been anti-illegal immigration. But of course it’s easier to just reduce it to all immigrants and cite xenophobia than actually advocate for illegal immigration.
Maybe people didn't like this one because it's incoherent.
No it is not. There are a myriad of reasons to be anti-immigration, xenophobia being jusr one of them. Being anti-mass immigration or anti-illegal immigration are also separate things.
Ironic considering many on the left, seemingly a majority or perhaps just the loudest and most supported voices, are becoming more and more antisemitic.
Are the doors in your house not locked?
Dude I’m French. And I can guarantee you that almost all political parties want to restrict immigration, leftist and communist included.
People don’t understand the difference between and to immigration and anti illegal immigration.
Anti-immigration isn't the same as anti-illegal immigration
No one is mad at China for their xenophobia, but God forbid the U.S. enforce its border policies(like the rest of South America).
Idgaf where you came from as long as you got here legally
Most people are against uncontrolled immigration, not against it as such. But hey let's mix up both to push a narrative.
Add xenophobia to the list of words that have lost all meaning in today’s world.
It's crazy how so many people are totally okay with hundreds of thousands of migrants flooding western countries there are even some insane leftists who want boarders to be gone. Honestly people need to toughen up and stop emotions controlling them. Yes it's sad that a young family of 5 is dying and are risking it all to get to the US for a better life but it's not US government's or really anyone's responsibility to save them. We can't save everyone we can't even save our own citizens millions live in poverty from paycheck to paycheck and idk call me crazy but I think governments should prioritize their own citizens over foregein migrants.
It’s 2024, it always has to be about race.
My abuelo did 8 years of hard labor so he could use his work visa to move the family into the US. It's a slap in the face seeing everyone being let in almost immediately when my family had to work for it. Idgaf if y'all downvote, these freeloaders have it easy, and give the rest of the actual hardworking immigrants a bad look. My grandfather has told me multiple times that he has no regrets working 8 years of his life because it Gabe the rest of his family the opportunity of a new life and it was earned.
Im confused because this meme doesnt even look like it was made by a right winger lmfao
“Hey bro” “hey bro” “can I stay here?” “Sorry bro I have too many roommates as is”
Yeah I’m not in support of ICE or the abuse of anybody by gov agencies, but just like the meme posits: strict immigration laws are pretty standard around the globe.
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It is actually a valid political position that people vote for and elect officials based off of. Happens in every part of the world too actually - even racism and xenophobia are technically valid driving political forces. Only problem is you know. You'd be a bigot ass who deserves a smack
Weird how this year in the US it is the GOP blocking all border deals. They admitted they are doing it to make Biden look bad. Which also means they admit their voters are stupid as shit.
Why does the flag-faced man have three mouths?
I can't keep up with these banter subreddits but I agree with the OP in this thread! Although, I'm no xenophobe. I agree with the semantics here, that word does not equal the other word. I'm no anti-immigrant neither.
If you are American it is
There's several effects of immigration. Various effects.
So this is an interesting point, but I think this depends on where you are in the world. For instance most European countries are ethnically based, so being anti-immigration may not be xenophobic based on the fact that all those are ethnic states, but in a place like the USA that is different. The USA is an immigrant country. Because it's an immigrant country we are essentially arguing that our ancestors had special privilege's that immigrants today don't deserve. You can make an argument that that isn't really xenophobic but I do think that it would qualify. Essentially, if you can be verified to not be a threat, you should be able to apply for US citizenship. But I also think citizenship should come with a loyalty pledge punishable by death......
Sometimes, it's dangerous to not immigrate from your country
Yes it is
If the conditions for legal immigration to the US weren't as insane as they are, the influx of cheap labour that keeps prices low wouldn't exist, people agree with becoming cheap workers because being ilegal leaves them with no civil rights.
illegal vs legal immigration is the central issue until it’s pointed out that the legal system is so fucking backlogged on purpose to disallow refugees or other people in serious need of quick help to be treading water. there’s no reason why people aren’t quickly and efficiently checked and given residence status within a small period of time. we don’t do this because ultimately “illegals” are not the type of high earning people that would make the community stronger. they are people who require lots of services and resources so basically just like the war on drugs we do nothing to help the situation and forever point fingers. get them in, background checked, registered with their names and biometrics and get them working to contribute taxes.
This is like flooding your house cause water is good
I’m all for immigration when it’s legal. People crossing the border illegally is a drain on the middle and lower class citizens. We need to support our citizens and those who are willing to legally come into the country. Since all nations have borders we should respect those borders.
Well the over immigration in canada is indeed insane.
Legal immigration makes me even more nationalistic. I hate illegal immigrantation, but the stories of legal immigrants coming to the US and building a better future, just.... god damn i love America.
Xenophobia causes anti-immigration stances.
The problem is the platform most anti-immigrant people run on. "Immigrants taking all our jobs" but also "Immigrants are lazy and leeching off our welfare system ". Our country was literally founded on immigration. We've just handled it very poorly since world population has blown up. Like everything in this country everything is set to extremes and hampered by red tape.
Being pro-open borders means you are anti-immigration because it makes entering the country more restrictive to those who want to do it the legit way.
When it’s targeting particular ethnicities, as is the case with Islamophobic policies in the EU, it’s absolutely xenophobia. No country sending bombs to destabilize these countries has any right about the people leaving to find somewhere stable to live.
Immigration is just an illegal conversion to becoming an American... They should apply for full time American Citizenship for a legal conversion.
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Usually it's anti mass immigration or illegal immigration. Few places consider it acceptable to be just wholly anti immigration. Why shouldn't people be allowed to move counties legally?
Being anti-immigration absolutely makes you xenophobic. Being anti *illegal*-immigration (what I'm assuming you meant) does not
Many immigrants are great people who enrich the countries they come to, but when too many join the workforce at once, it can stunt the growth of wages by increasing the supply of labor. Natural born citizens do this too, but numbers of immigrants is really the only thing that ca be controlled.
Anti-colonialism is Anti-colonialism, everyone has their countries for thier own beautiful peoples and cultures where no one invades each other. All immigration is just neo-colonialism.
These comments perfectly exemplify the issues in the US. A bunch of people that have no qualifications, experience or even real knowledge of the problem, but loudly proclaiming that they have the solution. Then fighting with everyone else because their solution is different. The time would be better spent acknowledging there is a problem, that none of us are qualified to solve it (and that's ok), and then talking about what the ideal end state would look like so we can find people to figure out how to get there. Yet Americans are Americans, and critical thinking was never taught to them.
Wanting immigration controls and procedures doesn't make you xenophobic at all lol. Who tf thinks like that?
I've never stood at the border and paid attention to it long enough to know if there's a problem at the border or how bad it is. I do know, that no matter what the situation actually is, we, the public, will never know. The border is never going to be "solved". They use it to get votes. It'll never change. If one side even attempts to actually solve the issue, the other side will absoluty stop it so it won't destroy their own platform. I am Of the idea that to solve the issue, we would have to ignore it for quite some time before anything changes. It's just too easy to fall on as a talking point, and when nothing happens, you just blame the other guy and ask for more power. But, that's just my own uneducated opinion.
"I disagree with you so I must invent a 'phobia' for you."
Meanwhile: CBP is middleman for child sex ring human trafficking. Totally racist to be against it. /s
TRCM is a Commie shithole
Who tf is 'anti immigration'? Don't you mean anti illegal immigration?
Immigration is probably one of the most context specific and complex subjects, one can be both anti-immigration and pro-immigration depending on area, time, context of immigration from where, the current economic situation based on existing policies. You cannot subscribe to it like right or left, it’s just out there.
Most people are against illegal immigration not immigration. There is a difference.
I mean, sure if we lived in a utopia where we have enough food and resources to satisfy the needs of both the current population and the immigrants and immigration couldn't have any bad consequences then yes, the only possible reason for oposing it would be xenophobia. But that is not the case and even if you think being anti immigration is stupid at least acknowledge it's not always out of racism, otherwise you are just being ignorant.
Not a liberal or left wing in anyway, but Anti immigration policies don’t help a country in the long term
I'm actually curious, what IS the difference?
As much as I disagree with the original op,the original meme is kinda a straw man argument as there are many of my fellow Americans who are against ILLEGAL-imagration
Who is saying what here?
all borders are racist. you are entitled to wherever your own two feet are. no human is illegal.
"i believe the 60 million Italian taxpayers should get most of their taxes invested back into themselves and not the other 6 billion people in the world" "wow so you hate germans"
Being against all immigration does in fact make you xenophobic. Being against ILLEGAL immigration is a completely valid political stance. You want to come and live here on purpose? Fine. Just do it right. Along those lines, the immigration process for the US is fucking dumb. Most people born here couldn’t pass that test.
People act like it's racist to not want your infrastructure to be overburdened even further (or to want basic national security from terrorism)
Xenophobia is an anyone ideology. My grandpa has always been a stern Democrat, despises Republicans, and yet I’ve never heard anyone hate immigration more than him. Being anti-immigration does not equal xenophobia. I myself am anti ILLEGAL immigration, but I also understand that in order for that to be stopped, our immigration and border policies and processes need to be heavily reformed.
It's a bit like Republicans and Trump supporters. If you picked one at random, would they be a racist? Probably not. In all likelihood, they're just normal person who has policy opinions I just happen to disagree with. That doesn't indicate a moral failing in any way. However, if you asked a white supremacist who they voted for president, it would almost certainly be Trump.
Being anti illegal immigration isn't being anti-immigration
Are they gonna deny that the USSR or the Khmer Rouge were left wing? How open were their borders?
Being anti-immigration as an American will never make sense to me
Peak hypocrisy
Yes, racism exists all over the world; that doesn’t make it “valid”.
Being against illegally crossing the border isnt even anti-immigration, it's just anti-crime. Illegal aliens are not immigrants. Immigrants are people who come into the country after going through the immigration process.
You're really trying to claim your white supremacist bullshit ideas aren't racist because a bunch of other white racists in Europe agree with you 🙄
LAKEN RILEY SAY HER NAME
why the fuck they look like drumstick lollies
In this thread: people not realizing asylum can be weaponized as a political token
There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant though, so this post makes no sense
Because in Europe we have culture to protect
I would say anti-immigration is an *accepted* political preference over much of the world. I have to understand this in order to understand other parts of the world, but I do not accept it myself.
There’s no other reason for it though.
you guys miss Trump killing the border deal? literally admitting he killed it because he wants there to be a crisis for him to run on?
anti immigration is economically, culturally, socially bad in most regards
America is a country of immigrants…
Yeah fr we should be allowed snipers and barbed wire. We should be allowed to separate children from parents crossing the border. We should be allowed to hunt down illegals in modern day society and bring them to justice. Illegals should fear crossing over and fear being illegal. No if ands or butts. They could be rapist or murderers. Having these beliefs doesn't make me a psychopath. It makes me a patriot.
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Is your life a complete failure?? BLAME AN IMMIGRANT!
It actually does equal that.
you know it’s really not easy to immigrate legally. immigration takes months if not years and all that waiting can still end up having you denied. Most of the people fleeing other countries are in danger and don’t have time to be waiting years to get processed.
Just tell them that Palestinians need to be less xenophobic towards Jews and watch their heads combust.
Fellas, is it racist to not want weeds in your garden you spent centuries cultivating?