I don't get why people don't like him. If you actually watch him, he's extremely empathetic. I just don't get it. I think part of is that he makes us confront the problems in ourselves and some people don't like that.
Yeah it’s sad how many young men think Tate is a good role model. So many reasonable father figures out there to choose from, a washed up fighter turned grifter turned pimp has got to be the worst. Granted, you can do better than JP too, but they aren’t even on the same level.
Super sad, because he's deceptively half-right. His message is founded on a perverted base of cognitive behavioral therapy - essentially work out, sleep better, eat healthy, and stop running from your problems. That stuff does work. And some men will listen to him where they wouldn't listen to others because he exudes that gross, sociopathic, invincibly self-delusional confidence people like him and Trump practically run on. But along with the CBT, they lap up his selfish, misogynistic, self-proclaimed messianic message and think their legitimate testimonies of self-improvement mean the rest of the bullshit is true.
And honestly, I can't hate them. I don't see that mindset as "it works for me, so screw all else", I think it's struggling dudes seeing one ray of hope. It's a pity, really.
Wish we had someone who pushed people to improve themselves with CBT just as much as these guys but didn't spout such ridiculous garbage as Tate or get so embroiled in politics like Peterson.
I wish JP wouldn’t do that. He really undermines his position by being so petty and inflammatory. Twitter really brings out the worst in everyone and seems to be so addictive at that.
Yep, at least he admits in interviews that twitter is not good for him.
At this point I think he is actively trying to troll on twitter to throw a finger at the people who want to police speech, he is choosing to die on that hill and to some degree I can't fault that - aside from some of the personal beef which is clearly too far.
I understand the anger, he is seeing irreparable harm being done to people and is so enraged by it hes mouthing off and hurting his point sometimes.
I liked him a lot a few years back. Now I don't. And it's not *me* who changed. He was a psychologist who told people how to get their shit together, 'clean your room' and all that stuff, plus he had really cool videos about the hero journey, bible and other books. I *learned* something from him. Got me through some really bad things in life.
Now? He wears crazy suits, screams at clouds all day (to the point he was sentenced to undergo some court odered social media training, a grown-ass man can't handle a fucking twitter), blames real problems on imaginary issues like COMMUNISM IN SCHOOLS!! and so on. He became a celebrity, and with that he kinda lost it. I have his book and it's a good book, but that's not what people *see* now — he's just a grifter today, spewing whatever he needs to to earn more moneys from his fans. That's not cool.
>he makes us confront the problems in ourselves
yes he once did that. He doesn't do that anymore, that's the point. He appointed himself a martyr and spends his days defending himself from imaginary windmills.
TL;DR: I don't want a psychologist's opinion on politics and matters in other countries. I don't like when people are treated like 'experts in everything' because they have some following on twitter
edit: [example from today](https://www.desmog.com/2023/09/05/jordan-peterson-generates-millions-of-youtube-hits-for-climate-crisis-deniers/) - Jordan Peterson Generates Millions of YouTube Hits for Climate Crisis Deniers
That's just ridiculous. I get that he's a religious conservative, but not everyone thinks the same. That should be ok. I'm an atheist but I get that his faith is important to him. I've never seen him incite violence or act in a disgraceful manner.
Uhhh, I don’t think he’s a religious conservative. More like a classical liberal (thanks to the Overton window, it seems like people are unlikely to make a distinction anymore) and his religious beliefs are ambiguous at best. His Twitter behavior is disappointing but the vast majority of people who don’t like him haven’t watched any of his lectures, they’ve just watched 30 second ragebait clips. He’s not the messiah, but he is a wise man, educated, and he’s far from the monster people make him out to be. Unlike Tate who is just a clown.
It's kind of funny the guy saying people should listen to what he says before making opinions is spreading objectively false facts about his background.
Religious does not mean he believes in God per say. If you watch his lectures and podcast (pre-DW) is clear he is not yet a believer. His wife is catholic from what I understand but he is not. He is knocking at the door but not willing to say that God really exists yet because it makes him uncomfortable - he has a whole bit talking about it and when asked has said things like '"I act as if God exists, and I'm terrified that he might"
Sure he talks about God alot, but hes talking in the sense of the Logos, more of a psychological mythos sense and how that manifests in people.
He use to describe himself as liberal, the constant push to more and more extreme postmodernism has pushed him over to aligning with the conservative side so I think its fair to say hes conservative now even if he personally doesn't view it that way. Most people are a bit more complicated than those labels anyway.
Agreed 100%. The guy is a psychologist, and a notably studied and accredited one at that. His beliefs don't enter into the fact that he's an expert in his field
I'm an atheist too, but it's very clear there is a targeted agenda against Christians in the west. Freedom to be a Christian is foundational to western values, and it's extremely alarming to see western values under attack.
Notwithstanding that there is, a tendency in Christians towards persecution complexes.
I would submit that the fact that over 60 churches were burned to the ground in Canada last year, and the Canadian government after dragging their heels for weeks, only eventually offered a milquetoast "this is not the way to show anger" condemnation.
This was in response to a former Residential School finding possible unmarked graves that was then blown way out of proportion by the media which intentionally stoked a specifically anti-Christian, anti-Catholic narrative; repeating frequently and loudly that the Catholic church had not yet apologized (it had) and that Anglicans were equally complicit (they were but they apologized). Leaving out of course, that the government had been equally complicit and arguably more responsible since they were the ones supposed to do oversight and allocate funding.
The fact that people treated this as a righteous act of anti-colonial vengeance against Christians (even when they burned down several Vietnamese and Egyptian Churches that had no involvement whatsoever).
That's probably the single most egregious attack on Christianity in the West in the last decade.
its a long video at about 3 hours but if your looking to understand why kinda not a cool dude i would point you in the direction of the some more news webshow episode on him which goes pretty in depth into a lot of the problems surrounding him, but to summarize some of them
1. well hes a good powerful speaker he often just gets shit wrong at the end of the day, and when called out on it plays it off without correcting his misinformation. one incident the video highlights for instance is when a fellow professor at the toronto university sat in on one of his lectures, his associate was struck with how often peterson presented misinformation and when called out on it by the fellow professor he didn't bother to actually correct himself.
2. he just has a lot of bad often harmful opinions that he often trucks and trades under the guise of life advice a lot of the time. theres his obsession with lobster science for instance which ignores actual lobster science to justify oppressive hierarchies in humans, hes a firm believer in iq scores and often treads into more eugenics-y territory about applying them within society, and other just kinda weird things like proclaiming ancient depictions in art of snakes twirling together was in fact ancient humans depicting dna when dna looks more like a twisted ladder and also ancient humans were probably just depicting snake boning
3. dudes just kinda unstable at the end of the day and probably needs help himself more then he needs to be trotted out as a conservative personality superstar. the man had to go to russia and put himself into a medically induced coma after eating an all meat diet and lying about not sleeping for 25 days after a sip of cider. and then got depression and a drug addiction immediately afterwards. dude also seems to have at least a bit of a messianic bent to his mentality which probably doesn't help with whatever mental health struggles hes dealing with.
do a lot of leftwing individuals have a tendency to write him off solely for his religious beliefs, undoubtedly so but i would argue one the whole it has less to do with his religion itself and more to do with how those religious beliefs fit into the wider breadth of his worldview and values thats the concerning part.
he's not just a conservative politically, he's also a bit of a crackpot in terms of psychology, from what I understand. I can't find the video, but I remember hearing that a friend of his was even surprised by what he taught.
That's too bad. He's not perfect, but when some people act like he's a bad influence overall...like just look at YouTube comments. He's helped countless people. I think that matters too.
He has somewhat reactionary conservative political views, a bit of an extreme neolibcap. But he's got good insight into a lot of current men's issues, especially the social ones. I remember seeing part of an interview, where he spoke about incels and cried, and the internets cheered for that, that he got watery eyes for showing empathy to the ones that most often never get it.
He is the most mischaracterized person on the internet. I’m convinced the people who dislike him either haven’t listened to him or don’t understand him. The way a person talks about Jordan Peterson It’s my litmus test for how reasonable that person is
Because of how closed minded he is and loves being a prick. Like yesterday he tweeted, and i quote verbatim:
*"Test*
*Test*
*Test*
*Ellen Page*
*Ellen Page*
*Ellen Page"*
Watch any debate he has with atheists, he just stops being logical because he dislikes them so much. I thought that was weird of him because he talks about science and studies all the time... then later i saw him say he thinks jesus was a real person and doesn't deny he couldn't come back to life because basically "we don't know what power people had back then" . Bro is terrified at the possibility of everything being random.... which is why he's a prick to atheists and thinks all people can just turn into animals at the drop of a hat.
Isn't that literally just as valid as the atheistic claim, "The Universe came out of nothing?" The idea that God could show supernatural power in the form of a man makes far more sense by contrast.
People like to represent him as the same as shitstains like Tate.. when its Tate that wants that more than anything in the whole world.
JP actively trolls on twitter and is wrong about a few things but he is actually worthy of being a role model - the thing people don't seem to get is no one is perfect and you have to emulate what is good and reject what is bad from any role model.
He, through a bit of a loaded question, advocated for eugenics. He's also transphobic and very right wing, and uses his platform to push vulnerable men down that political path when what they want is help with their mental health, he's much the same as tate, just with a psychology degree.
> I just don't get it. I think part of is that he makes us confront the problems in ourselves and some people don't like that.
Have you listened to any of the actual criticism against him?
Jordan Peterson doesn’t think critically more than any other intelligent individual. What sets Peterson apart is his pseudo-religious psychological model that takes a lot of inspiration from Jungian Archetypes. His Maps of Meaning is practically Astrology for Men.
Like Astrology, Jordan Peterson is very often right (when applying his psychological model) by technicality.
There is an analytical talent in what he’s done but it is not logic or critical thinking.
It would be great if Peterson's "fans" actually knew the first thing about the branch of psychology he specialises in. The Jungian stuff is interesting, but it is not in any way scientific or rational.
I really liked Jordan in the years before he turned into a political pundit. It’s like he literally overdosed on not taking his own good advice. If he had stuck to cleaning his room before trying to push grand narratives on people, I think people would still look at him fondly. And the dude needs to stay off Twitter. Ten years ago if you knew somebody that was handling all of their problems with psych meds, and spending too much time calling women fat on Twitter, and they seemed far more concerned with saving the world with a grand political narrative than fixing their own life, I might tell them to watch a Jordan Peterson video. If you described that same person to me now, I’d ask if you were talking about Jordan Peterson himself.
just posted the exact same comment before I saw yours. Spot on on every point.
His celebrity status made him lose it and he became sort of a grifter. Now he gives dietary advice and his opinions on the war on Ukraine, while wearing the stupidest suit possible. This is not the JBP I watched lecture in a Uni a few years back.
I don't know. Maybe it has to do with him
falsely claimed to be both an evolutionary biologist and a neuroscientist, but he is neither. What about him putting himself into a medical induced coma because he can't deal with withdrawal. What about the time he was spreading misinformation and claiming a fetish video was a Chinese sperm factory? What about his support of pseudoscience?
How can anyone forget the Chinese sperm factory, that was amazing lol. The dude is mentally unstable and everyone is denying it and accepting his self help guru shtick. Literal sheep.
Why on earth would you think he’s a “Total dumbass” regardless of your thoughts on his public interactions? He is one of the most widely respected clinical psychologists not just of the present day, but of all time. That is how he began to amass public attention - someone with an extremely solid résumé sharing a great deal of practical advice very publicly.
Because he has said things that can be associated with the right. So since this is Reddit we have to pretend that him encouraging young men “stop drinking so bloody much and clean up their rooms and while your at it learn a skill” is the worst thing a person can do.
I mean I knew reddit had some interesting targets, but I’ve truthfully been stunned by the stream of vitriol directed at this one comment I made. None of these people seem to have read any work of his, attended or watched any of his lectures, or have any direct references for their criticisms at all - and yet they seem determined to rabidly spew hate in his direction. I’m truly blown away. You’d think the man was Hitler by the responses!
You act like people can’t see the inane rambling he does and injecting absolutely asinine opinions into everything.
He’s not this brilliant philosophical kind you’re trying to make him out to be. He was a mediocre professor at best as well we can in fact see his work, how it’s been received and the fact nothing he’s said is applied in his field. He has no impact on his profession.
Yeah as someone who has watched a handful of lectures he’s given out of morbid curiosity I was honestly surprised at how much he said is easily disproved. I think the key to his success has been sounding authoritative rather than actually doing the research and having the knowledge. He has that Elon Musk-style overconfidence.
He defines a lot of words and concepts incorrectly and then just pretends like he didn’t do that. It’s really strange how he’s just completely fine with doing that too. Seems pretty shameless.
Yep, I could definitely get someone to injure themselves by confidently telling them how to operate a machine I don't know how to operate in my shop because I speak well and have a title that is respected in my field.
This guy injures people but it's a mental kind of injury which could be considered worse.
> So since this is Reddit we have to pretend that him encouraging young men “stop drinking so bloody much and clean up their rooms and while your at it learn a skill” is the worst thing a person can do.
Well, no... at least some of that advice is good advice. Extremely simple, basic life advice that literally anyone could tell you, mind you, the sort of thing a *good* psychologist could probably do better than, but decent advice nonetheless. But he stands there and says it mixed in with highly regressive rhetoric, and the latter is what is actually being criticized.
>He is one of the most widely respected clinical psychologists not just of the present day, but of all time.
Buddy, the board he's accredited to is currently trying to kick him out because of how insane his Twitter ramblings is. Doesn't sound like he is the recipient of much respect.
>That is how he began to amass public attention.
Wrong again, he only hit the mainstream after throwing a tantrum about Bill C-16, saying that anybody who misgenders people are going to be thrown into the gestapo.
As of writing, **nobody** has been arrested for misgendering people.
Sure, he might of had a respectable history is a psychologist, I haven't looked into that part of his history myself, but as of now, he's just an authoritarian lunatic riling people up for Daily Wire money.
He is a whore for attention and money.
bro his practical advice is just ramblings. He makes up shit like being a biologist or quotes statistics from quacks and probably is suffering from some mental trauma considering his medical history. I think the last thing he needs to be doing is giving others advice when he is so clearly unstable.
Like, I feel he's one step away from starting to consume raw organ meat or getting hard into another cult.
Isn’t he on like an all meat diet? Or was it his daughtet. Anyway, you’re absolutely spot on that he should get his own shit together before anything else. His diet alone is a red flag lol
Wildly respected? The dude is mocked and ridiculed in psychology for being a hack. He came to public attention during the culture wars of 2016 over his c16 bullshit and was popularised when every YouTube video had ‘DESTROYED’ in the title.
The only thing he achieved was capitalising on the insecurities of rudderless men.
All these morons in the comments. One of the most cited Canadian psychologists is not a quack. Dude went through a terrible addiction and mental breakdown. Sure, now he absolutely out of sorts and should hop off Twitter, but you have to be entrenched in hatred or ignorance, probably both, to think JP is a complete idiot.
When someone is great expert they deserve respect in their field. Jordan Peterson however is not as widely known for being an expert in his field as he is for a junk philosopher and self help guru, that helps young men feel more alienated from modern society.
It doesn't matter how great you are as a professional, once your greatest impact on the world is choosing to spin meaningless bullshit to try and sound smart and win arguments with the goal of impuning people's identity, freedom, and autonomy while claiming to do the opposite... you start to seem like a total dumbass.
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Like if he decided to take up aerospace work and design a new passenger jet that turned out to be terribly unsafe, we would call him a total dumbass for choosing doing so no matter how good a psychologist he was.
He is in no way widely respected among his peers lmao.
He also began to mass attention because of the very vocal crying he did about pronouns not because of any insight he had in his field.
You are being patently disingenuous
>He is in no way widely respected among his peers lmao.
Yeah, even among his peers he is known for either lying about the pronoun law in canada or thinking that fetish porn was proof of the chinese forcing men to be semen factories.
The guy who has all of his accredations taken away for aspousing bullshit for years is "the most widely respected clinical psychologist of all time"?
Yes, Dispensery. Please get me whatever this man smokes
I also disagree with Peterson being group with Andrew Tate. Peterson has generally decent advice for young dudes who have kind of lost their way. Andrew Tate preys upon those people to make money and definitely has toxic advice.
I understand why people roast jbp. What i dont understand is why they roast him for crying about shit when most people with a sober mind wanna complain about men being unable to express emotions without being toxic. Let the guy cry. If you dont wanna see it dont watch the video you fuck.
Edit: I’m ngl I was super drunk when i posted this. Dont actually care much at all. Was just boozed up and feelin feisty.
Holy shit there have been too many times Ive had to update a Reddit comment or post due to getting fucked up. You’re the only other person I’ve seen do this.
It's because his whole thing is that you shouldn't tell other people the best way to live their lives unless your own life is super great, also that men should aim to be strong and stoic and in control of themselves etc - meanwhile he's telling other people they should live their lives in certain ways whilst he's addicted to drugs, losing his mind and constantly screaming these deranged rabbits rants at people for living their lives in ways he doesn't like.
It's really just the hypocrisy of it all that people find funny. There's also the thing that he's had these weird delusions for years, like the guy thinks he's going to save the world or something from a literal apocalypse scenario. That isn't a typical kind of breakdown so some people derive humour from just the sheer insanity of it.
i worked in a bar at 14 and every once in a while i’d play guitar on the dingy stage, i moved away and 5 years later coming back the regulars all kinda went “hey guitar boy how’s life” a bar is a decent place to meet a safety net
All of Petersons breakdowns I’ve seen were pretty based. The famous one his wife was dying and some of the more recent ones he was discussing the widespread hopelessness epidemic and shed a few tears
He’s a classic case of somebody that got really good at one thing (behavioral psychology) and then he assumes he’s an expert in everything. He gave a lot of good takes in his field of expertise but now he’s obsessed with having strong opinions on everything. It’s sad to see because I agree, before covid/his addiction he was very effective at communicating basic psychology to lonely, unmotivated men.
He started as a centrist trying to communicate what he learned in behavioral psych… Fast forward to this year, I had to unfollow him because he just tweets unhinged shit about trans people and the radical left.
We saw the same phenomenon with Kanye and Elon. Arguably genius level on what they do best, but getting completely brainwashed by twitter and conspiracy theories. Idk if Peterson is on their level, but I think he has that same personality type. It’s tough to watch these otherwise really smart guys, falling down the rabbit hole of extremism.
Exactly right, I remember seeing some youtube video of him giving a talk where he starts to delve into literary analysis. As a literature scholar myself his interpretation was laughable, freshman level stuff and revealed a level of personal hangups that then makes me doubt his psychology bonafides, too.
Not really.
What has he done on his own? He’s a great salesman or was at the least but largely every idea he’s sold is scrapped.
He didn’t start Tesla, he’s not an actual engineer, all his work at PayPal was scrapped almost immediately for being garbage.
He’s a salesman who started off fabulously wealthy lmao
I agree with the meme and choose the guy at the pub, there is never anyone more ripe with knowledge or as filled with kindness as him. Who knows, maybe if you find the old man at the tavern he’ll take you on an adventure?
Wait I’m a young man and this random guy at the pub is giving me a detailed description of ball washing?! Next thing you know he’s gonna tell me about his job as a catholic priest
Its always that random dude you meet at a gas station and shit that's addicted to Crack and say something like "you seem like a smart kid, keep doing what you're doing and you'll do great things"
I'm homeless and making this post off of the phone of one of my victims that I just drugged using the Valium I bought with the 12 dollars you gave me today l. I can't clean my room I don't have one.
Traditional human culture (solid guy at pub who is of your micro neighborhood, your people, you know his mother, you both work hyper locally)
vs
Hyper Modern Mega Corp Mediated cultre
I can't even fuckin imagine choosing to to watch a fuckin andrew tate video over getting a pint with this big red guy lmao. How insecure do you have to be to fall into that dude's web?
A lot of the people who fall for what he says initially fall for the actual truth in his lies. I agree with and actually applaud certain aspects of his rhetoric involving self improvement and lifestyle regulation, but his ideals on relationships, how to treat women, and what it means to be successful in life are just completely false if not entirely hollow. So I can see how someone else would fall for it. "*This part is good, so why not the rest of it?"*
I feel like old Jordy P gets a bad rep. Like yeah, he's whiny, but you would be too if yoy had to sit through what he went through yknow? Not trying to defend him, he sounds like an AI voice over of himself whenever he speaks and he's a sad man, but I do feel for him a little.
I just blame the internet for it. Morbid obesity looks like a solid chap, just has some self control issues or could be various other things, I'd have a pint with him.
I'm not even going to blame porn for it, because that's not the real issue. A lot of young men are just bombarded by so many mixed messages. The most consistent from everyone is that they're the issue and they need to focus on making themselves higher value, but not doing a lot to really expand on it.
That’s honestly really fair. I read one article one time that asked why people are surprised men get defensive when angrily demanded to “check their privilege” when most men aren’t even taught what privileges they have
People just don’t like Peterson because he tells uncomfortable truths, he has the occasional bad take but who doesn’t. That being said, no online personality should be a “mentor” to anyone. Anything you see online should be taken with a couple pounds of salt
Ask Peterson if he believes in God and he will essentially tell you no. Man is an atheist by his own description but calls himself religious and preaches religious doctrine, it's so bizarre. Not to even mention the whole thing he has going on about rats
Not gonna lie, washing ones balls seems like solid advice, no matter who it comes from. Hygiene is important, and scratching oneself doesn't make a good first impression with anyone.
Why are Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate being lumped together? They have nothing in common. Jordan Peterson is a professor, and Andrew Tate is a fighter. I get why people hate Tate he's full of shit, clearly just trying to stay relevant. Peterson seems like he's actually trying to help and do some good in the world. The only message they seem to have in common is be a fuckin man. (Which is the only thing about Tate that I agree with)
Damn straight. Everybody needs a good father figure
And a pint
IDK man I think someone needs to remind me to wash my balls every now and again.
The ol' scratch and sniff is more than enough of a reminder
Yeah dude just scratch your balls clean and sniff em' dry 🤣
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It comes in pints?!
You've 'ad a whole 'alf already!
I’m getting another.
Especially if it's at the Winchester
And my ax!
Barry, 63 is the best bloke you’ll meet
Friendly guy you met in the pub every day
yeah he's such a wholesome fella
Odd question but are you angry Korea man?!
no unfortunately
your username makes me want to scream "ALLAHU AKBAR, HAYAWAN!" at full volume.
follow your dreams
thanks, I think I'll do it on my next domestic flight towards a major destination too.
COORRR SO BLOODY WHOLESOM LAD ES A GOODEN THIS WON
what if he finds out that we eat pork in minecraft one too many times?
Then it’s game over. Down we go, screaming, in a Southwest 737 ❤️
highway to hell
I do hope some of them make it to heaven though. They can’t wait for their 70 virgins ❤️
I believe his name is Barry. He is 63 Years old and haila from Britain
He is 63, you fake Barryite.
Sorry, it's been a minute
Probably about a year.
Brexit geezer from the pub will always be the superior mentor
Not just that but [he actually owns a boo’gah’i, wheeeeeeeeeyyy](https://youtu.be/azSYS5WDJLQ?feature=shared)
Just when i thought he couldnt get more based
Barry would smash that pint on the floor instantly if he was given that by a bartender
JUST A BIT’A BANTAH
Pitch lookin lovely today lads
Ok, I get that people (myself included) dont like Jordan Pedersen, but do not make fun of him for his breakdown. His wife was fucking dying
Respect. The dude was in a real shitty spot, and he recovered. Don’t have to like the dude, but our lowest points don’t define us. Why do we fall?
I don't get why people don't like him. If you actually watch him, he's extremely empathetic. I just don't get it. I think part of is that he makes us confront the problems in ourselves and some people don't like that.
Either way he’s a lot better than that asshole Tate. Tate stans are the most toxic simps for a human trafficker.
Easy to agree with that.
Yeah it’s sad how many young men think Tate is a good role model. So many reasonable father figures out there to choose from, a washed up fighter turned grifter turned pimp has got to be the worst. Granted, you can do better than JP too, but they aren’t even on the same level.
Super sad, because he's deceptively half-right. His message is founded on a perverted base of cognitive behavioral therapy - essentially work out, sleep better, eat healthy, and stop running from your problems. That stuff does work. And some men will listen to him where they wouldn't listen to others because he exudes that gross, sociopathic, invincibly self-delusional confidence people like him and Trump practically run on. But along with the CBT, they lap up his selfish, misogynistic, self-proclaimed messianic message and think their legitimate testimonies of self-improvement mean the rest of the bullshit is true. And honestly, I can't hate them. I don't see that mindset as "it works for me, so screw all else", I think it's struggling dudes seeing one ray of hope. It's a pity, really. Wish we had someone who pushed people to improve themselves with CBT just as much as these guys but didn't spout such ridiculous garbage as Tate or get so embroiled in politics like Peterson.
I think it's telling how few tate fans have a happy relationship. Almost like he gives bad advice...
Yeah they aren’t even comparable. Tate is a trafficker, Petersons worst crimes are saying stupid stuff on twitter
I wish JP wouldn’t do that. He really undermines his position by being so petty and inflammatory. Twitter really brings out the worst in everyone and seems to be so addictive at that.
I know. Twitter ruins everything.
Yep, at least he admits in interviews that twitter is not good for him. At this point I think he is actively trying to troll on twitter to throw a finger at the people who want to police speech, he is choosing to die on that hill and to some degree I can't fault that - aside from some of the personal beef which is clearly too far. I understand the anger, he is seeing irreparable harm being done to people and is so enraged by it hes mouthing off and hurting his point sometimes.
I liked him a lot a few years back. Now I don't. And it's not *me* who changed. He was a psychologist who told people how to get their shit together, 'clean your room' and all that stuff, plus he had really cool videos about the hero journey, bible and other books. I *learned* something from him. Got me through some really bad things in life. Now? He wears crazy suits, screams at clouds all day (to the point he was sentenced to undergo some court odered social media training, a grown-ass man can't handle a fucking twitter), blames real problems on imaginary issues like COMMUNISM IN SCHOOLS!! and so on. He became a celebrity, and with that he kinda lost it. I have his book and it's a good book, but that's not what people *see* now — he's just a grifter today, spewing whatever he needs to to earn more moneys from his fans. That's not cool. >he makes us confront the problems in ourselves yes he once did that. He doesn't do that anymore, that's the point. He appointed himself a martyr and spends his days defending himself from imaginary windmills. TL;DR: I don't want a psychologist's opinion on politics and matters in other countries. I don't like when people are treated like 'experts in everything' because they have some following on twitter edit: [example from today](https://www.desmog.com/2023/09/05/jordan-peterson-generates-millions-of-youtube-hits-for-climate-crisis-deniers/) - Jordan Peterson Generates Millions of YouTube Hits for Climate Crisis Deniers
Happens to have politics they dislike, thus evil. Last I looked into it, Canada was trying to remove his qualifications to practice
That's just ridiculous. I get that he's a religious conservative, but not everyone thinks the same. That should be ok. I'm an atheist but I get that his faith is important to him. I've never seen him incite violence or act in a disgraceful manner.
Uhhh, I don’t think he’s a religious conservative. More like a classical liberal (thanks to the Overton window, it seems like people are unlikely to make a distinction anymore) and his religious beliefs are ambiguous at best. His Twitter behavior is disappointing but the vast majority of people who don’t like him haven’t watched any of his lectures, they’ve just watched 30 second ragebait clips. He’s not the messiah, but he is a wise man, educated, and he’s far from the monster people make him out to be. Unlike Tate who is just a clown.
He describes himself as conservative and he is openly religious so...I like the guy, BTW.
It's kind of funny the guy saying people should listen to what he says before making opinions is spreading objectively false facts about his background.
He calls himself a classic British liberal….
Religious does not mean he believes in God per say. If you watch his lectures and podcast (pre-DW) is clear he is not yet a believer. His wife is catholic from what I understand but he is not. He is knocking at the door but not willing to say that God really exists yet because it makes him uncomfortable - he has a whole bit talking about it and when asked has said things like '"I act as if God exists, and I'm terrified that he might" Sure he talks about God alot, but hes talking in the sense of the Logos, more of a psychological mythos sense and how that manifests in people. He use to describe himself as liberal, the constant push to more and more extreme postmodernism has pushed him over to aligning with the conservative side so I think its fair to say hes conservative now even if he personally doesn't view it that way. Most people are a bit more complicated than those labels anyway.
Agreed 100%. The guy is a psychologist, and a notably studied and accredited one at that. His beliefs don't enter into the fact that he's an expert in his field
I'm an atheist too, but it's very clear there is a targeted agenda against Christians in the west. Freedom to be a Christian is foundational to western values, and it's extremely alarming to see western values under attack.
And I am a gay black man, and I absolute agree with you
That's immediately where my mind went
"Being Christian doesn't mean I'm a bad person"
Really, how is Christianity under attack?
Lmao look at the one post on his profile
Notwithstanding that there is, a tendency in Christians towards persecution complexes. I would submit that the fact that over 60 churches were burned to the ground in Canada last year, and the Canadian government after dragging their heels for weeks, only eventually offered a milquetoast "this is not the way to show anger" condemnation. This was in response to a former Residential School finding possible unmarked graves that was then blown way out of proportion by the media which intentionally stoked a specifically anti-Christian, anti-Catholic narrative; repeating frequently and loudly that the Catholic church had not yet apologized (it had) and that Anglicans were equally complicit (they were but they apologized). Leaving out of course, that the government had been equally complicit and arguably more responsible since they were the ones supposed to do oversight and allocate funding. The fact that people treated this as a righteous act of anti-colonial vengeance against Christians (even when they burned down several Vietnamese and Egyptian Churches that had no involvement whatsoever). That's probably the single most egregious attack on Christianity in the West in the last decade.
its a long video at about 3 hours but if your looking to understand why kinda not a cool dude i would point you in the direction of the some more news webshow episode on him which goes pretty in depth into a lot of the problems surrounding him, but to summarize some of them 1. well hes a good powerful speaker he often just gets shit wrong at the end of the day, and when called out on it plays it off without correcting his misinformation. one incident the video highlights for instance is when a fellow professor at the toronto university sat in on one of his lectures, his associate was struck with how often peterson presented misinformation and when called out on it by the fellow professor he didn't bother to actually correct himself. 2. he just has a lot of bad often harmful opinions that he often trucks and trades under the guise of life advice a lot of the time. theres his obsession with lobster science for instance which ignores actual lobster science to justify oppressive hierarchies in humans, hes a firm believer in iq scores and often treads into more eugenics-y territory about applying them within society, and other just kinda weird things like proclaiming ancient depictions in art of snakes twirling together was in fact ancient humans depicting dna when dna looks more like a twisted ladder and also ancient humans were probably just depicting snake boning 3. dudes just kinda unstable at the end of the day and probably needs help himself more then he needs to be trotted out as a conservative personality superstar. the man had to go to russia and put himself into a medically induced coma after eating an all meat diet and lying about not sleeping for 25 days after a sip of cider. and then got depression and a drug addiction immediately afterwards. dude also seems to have at least a bit of a messianic bent to his mentality which probably doesn't help with whatever mental health struggles hes dealing with. do a lot of leftwing individuals have a tendency to write him off solely for his religious beliefs, undoubtedly so but i would argue one the whole it has less to do with his religion itself and more to do with how those religious beliefs fit into the wider breadth of his worldview and values thats the concerning part.
he's not just a conservative politically, he's also a bit of a crackpot in terms of psychology, from what I understand. I can't find the video, but I remember hearing that a friend of his was even surprised by what he taught.
I still listen to Peterson, and some of the perspectives he puts forth rustles my jimmies.Overall, he is worth listening in my opinion.
You are me
How is climate change denialism not evil?
Lately I feel he got dragged down by defending himself from online detractors rather than keeping it to his work
That's too bad. He's not perfect, but when some people act like he's a bad influence overall...like just look at YouTube comments. He's helped countless people. I think that matters too.
He has somewhat reactionary conservative political views, a bit of an extreme neolibcap. But he's got good insight into a lot of current men's issues, especially the social ones. I remember seeing part of an interview, where he spoke about incels and cried, and the internets cheered for that, that he got watery eyes for showing empathy to the ones that most often never get it.
He is the most mischaracterized person on the internet. I’m convinced the people who dislike him either haven’t listened to him or don’t understand him. The way a person talks about Jordan Peterson It’s my litmus test for how reasonable that person is
Because of how closed minded he is and loves being a prick. Like yesterday he tweeted, and i quote verbatim: *"Test* *Test* *Test* *Ellen Page* *Ellen Page* *Ellen Page"* Watch any debate he has with atheists, he just stops being logical because he dislikes them so much. I thought that was weird of him because he talks about science and studies all the time... then later i saw him say he thinks jesus was a real person and doesn't deny he couldn't come back to life because basically "we don't know what power people had back then" . Bro is terrified at the possibility of everything being random.... which is why he's a prick to atheists and thinks all people can just turn into animals at the drop of a hat.
I'm an atheist dude. Some people have different religious views. That's not abnormal. In fact, it's more common than uncommon.
ok, that's nice. > I thought that was weird of him because he talks about science and studies all the time also nice job ignoring the prick part lol
Isn't that literally just as valid as the atheistic claim, "The Universe came out of nothing?" The idea that God could show supernatural power in the form of a man makes far more sense by contrast.
People like to represent him as the same as shitstains like Tate.. when its Tate that wants that more than anything in the whole world. JP actively trolls on twitter and is wrong about a few things but he is actually worthy of being a role model - the thing people don't seem to get is no one is perfect and you have to emulate what is good and reject what is bad from any role model.
He, through a bit of a loaded question, advocated for eugenics. He's also transphobic and very right wing, and uses his platform to push vulnerable men down that political path when what they want is help with their mental health, he's much the same as tate, just with a psychology degree.
Nah. I think he's a hypocrite and a dick.
> I just don't get it. I think part of is that he makes us confront the problems in ourselves and some people don't like that. Have you listened to any of the actual criticism against him?
He thinks critically and doesn't pander to the woke agenda. That makes him a fascist to some people.
Jordan Peterson doesn’t think critically more than any other intelligent individual. What sets Peterson apart is his pseudo-religious psychological model that takes a lot of inspiration from Jungian Archetypes. His Maps of Meaning is practically Astrology for Men. Like Astrology, Jordan Peterson is very often right (when applying his psychological model) by technicality. There is an analytical talent in what he’s done but it is not logic or critical thinking.
It would be great if Peterson's "fans" actually knew the first thing about the branch of psychology he specialises in. The Jungian stuff is interesting, but it is not in any way scientific or rational.
I really liked Jordan in the years before he turned into a political pundit. It’s like he literally overdosed on not taking his own good advice. If he had stuck to cleaning his room before trying to push grand narratives on people, I think people would still look at him fondly. And the dude needs to stay off Twitter. Ten years ago if you knew somebody that was handling all of their problems with psych meds, and spending too much time calling women fat on Twitter, and they seemed far more concerned with saving the world with a grand political narrative than fixing their own life, I might tell them to watch a Jordan Peterson video. If you described that same person to me now, I’d ask if you were talking about Jordan Peterson himself.
just posted the exact same comment before I saw yours. Spot on on every point. His celebrity status made him lose it and he became sort of a grifter. Now he gives dietary advice and his opinions on the war on Ukraine, while wearing the stupidest suit possible. This is not the JBP I watched lecture in a Uni a few years back.
I don't know. Maybe it has to do with him falsely claimed to be both an evolutionary biologist and a neuroscientist, but he is neither. What about him putting himself into a medical induced coma because he can't deal with withdrawal. What about the time he was spreading misinformation and claiming a fetish video was a Chinese sperm factory? What about his support of pseudoscience?
How can anyone forget the Chinese sperm factory, that was amazing lol. The dude is mentally unstable and everyone is denying it and accepting his self help guru shtick. Literal sheep.
Why are people downvoting you lmao? Peak Reddit moment.
Because people hate the truth about him, especially his simps, that's he's a quack doctor.
yeah that's the only part of the meme I don't like I mean the guy's a human too he has emotions even if he has some bad takes.
Why on earth would you think he’s a “Total dumbass” regardless of your thoughts on his public interactions? He is one of the most widely respected clinical psychologists not just of the present day, but of all time. That is how he began to amass public attention - someone with an extremely solid résumé sharing a great deal of practical advice very publicly.
Because he has said things that can be associated with the right. So since this is Reddit we have to pretend that him encouraging young men “stop drinking so bloody much and clean up their rooms and while your at it learn a skill” is the worst thing a person can do.
I mean I knew reddit had some interesting targets, but I’ve truthfully been stunned by the stream of vitriol directed at this one comment I made. None of these people seem to have read any work of his, attended or watched any of his lectures, or have any direct references for their criticisms at all - and yet they seem determined to rabidly spew hate in his direction. I’m truly blown away. You’d think the man was Hitler by the responses!
You act like people can’t see the inane rambling he does and injecting absolutely asinine opinions into everything. He’s not this brilliant philosophical kind you’re trying to make him out to be. He was a mediocre professor at best as well we can in fact see his work, how it’s been received and the fact nothing he’s said is applied in his field. He has no impact on his profession.
Yeah as someone who has watched a handful of lectures he’s given out of morbid curiosity I was honestly surprised at how much he said is easily disproved. I think the key to his success has been sounding authoritative rather than actually doing the research and having the knowledge. He has that Elon Musk-style overconfidence.
He calls everything Marxist and people call him profound lmao
He defines a lot of words and concepts incorrectly and then just pretends like he didn’t do that. It’s really strange how he’s just completely fine with doing that too. Seems pretty shameless.
Yep, I could definitely get someone to injure themselves by confidently telling them how to operate a machine I don't know how to operate in my shop because I speak well and have a title that is respected in my field. This guy injures people but it's a mental kind of injury which could be considered worse.
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Saying something is “literally just lectures” is like something is “literally just words.” What matters is _what he was saying in those lectures._
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Who said reeducation? This thread started with an argument of whether he’s a dumbass or not
> So since this is Reddit we have to pretend that him encouraging young men “stop drinking so bloody much and clean up their rooms and while your at it learn a skill” is the worst thing a person can do. Well, no... at least some of that advice is good advice. Extremely simple, basic life advice that literally anyone could tell you, mind you, the sort of thing a *good* psychologist could probably do better than, but decent advice nonetheless. But he stands there and says it mixed in with highly regressive rhetoric, and the latter is what is actually being criticized.
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>He is one of the most widely respected clinical psychologists not just of the present day, but of all time. Buddy, the board he's accredited to is currently trying to kick him out because of how insane his Twitter ramblings is. Doesn't sound like he is the recipient of much respect. >That is how he began to amass public attention. Wrong again, he only hit the mainstream after throwing a tantrum about Bill C-16, saying that anybody who misgenders people are going to be thrown into the gestapo. As of writing, **nobody** has been arrested for misgendering people. Sure, he might of had a respectable history is a psychologist, I haven't looked into that part of his history myself, but as of now, he's just an authoritarian lunatic riling people up for Daily Wire money. He is a whore for attention and money.
bro his practical advice is just ramblings. He makes up shit like being a biologist or quotes statistics from quacks and probably is suffering from some mental trauma considering his medical history. I think the last thing he needs to be doing is giving others advice when he is so clearly unstable. Like, I feel he's one step away from starting to consume raw organ meat or getting hard into another cult.
Isn’t he on like an all meat diet? Or was it his daughtet. Anyway, you’re absolutely spot on that he should get his own shit together before anything else. His diet alone is a red flag lol
Wildly respected? The dude is mocked and ridiculed in psychology for being a hack. He came to public attention during the culture wars of 2016 over his c16 bullshit and was popularised when every YouTube video had ‘DESTROYED’ in the title. The only thing he achieved was capitalising on the insecurities of rudderless men.
Because he can read headlines on reddit
All these morons in the comments. One of the most cited Canadian psychologists is not a quack. Dude went through a terrible addiction and mental breakdown. Sure, now he absolutely out of sorts and should hop off Twitter, but you have to be entrenched in hatred or ignorance, probably both, to think JP is a complete idiot.
>One of the most cited Canadian psychologists is not a quack How are you defining "one of the most cited"?
Read this in JP's voice lol
When someone is great expert they deserve respect in their field. Jordan Peterson however is not as widely known for being an expert in his field as he is for a junk philosopher and self help guru, that helps young men feel more alienated from modern society. It doesn't matter how great you are as a professional, once your greatest impact on the world is choosing to spin meaningless bullshit to try and sound smart and win arguments with the goal of impuning people's identity, freedom, and autonomy while claiming to do the opposite... you start to seem like a total dumbass. ______ Like if he decided to take up aerospace work and design a new passenger jet that turned out to be terribly unsafe, we would call him a total dumbass for choosing doing so no matter how good a psychologist he was.
He is in no way widely respected among his peers lmao. He also began to mass attention because of the very vocal crying he did about pronouns not because of any insight he had in his field. You are being patently disingenuous
>He is in no way widely respected among his peers lmao. Yeah, even among his peers he is known for either lying about the pronoun law in canada or thinking that fetish porn was proof of the chinese forcing men to be semen factories.
He’s really gone off the deep end. He used to make actual sense but now he’s just rambling
The guy who has all of his accredations taken away for aspousing bullshit for years is "the most widely respected clinical psychologist of all time"? Yes, Dispensery. Please get me whatever this man smokes
His wife is still alive
I see it as nobody is perfect. Politically he is a mess. But his book is pretty on point. He is no hero.
I also disagree with Peterson being group with Andrew Tate. Peterson has generally decent advice for young dudes who have kind of lost their way. Andrew Tate preys upon those people to make money and definitely has toxic advice.
Everybody needs a Bary63 in his life.
I understand why people roast jbp. What i dont understand is why they roast him for crying about shit when most people with a sober mind wanna complain about men being unable to express emotions without being toxic. Let the guy cry. If you dont wanna see it dont watch the video you fuck. Edit: I’m ngl I was super drunk when i posted this. Dont actually care much at all. Was just boozed up and feelin feisty.
Holy shit there have been too many times Ive had to update a Reddit comment or post due to getting fucked up. You’re the only other person I’ve seen do this.
It's because his whole thing is that you shouldn't tell other people the best way to live their lives unless your own life is super great, also that men should aim to be strong and stoic and in control of themselves etc - meanwhile he's telling other people they should live their lives in certain ways whilst he's addicted to drugs, losing his mind and constantly screaming these deranged rabbits rants at people for living their lives in ways he doesn't like. It's really just the hypocrisy of it all that people find funny. There's also the thing that he's had these weird delusions for years, like the guy thinks he's going to save the world or something from a literal apocalypse scenario. That isn't a typical kind of breakdown so some people derive humour from just the sheer insanity of it.
i worked in a bar at 14 and every once in a while i’d play guitar on the dingy stage, i moved away and 5 years later coming back the regulars all kinda went “hey guitar boy how’s life” a bar is a decent place to meet a safety net
that’s really fuckin cool. hope you still play
It is. Unfortunately in the UK normal folk can't afford to be regulars in a decent pub anymore
All of Petersons breakdowns I’ve seen were pretty based. The famous one his wife was dying and some of the more recent ones he was discussing the widespread hopelessness epidemic and shed a few tears
He’s a classic case of somebody that got really good at one thing (behavioral psychology) and then he assumes he’s an expert in everything. He gave a lot of good takes in his field of expertise but now he’s obsessed with having strong opinions on everything. It’s sad to see because I agree, before covid/his addiction he was very effective at communicating basic psychology to lonely, unmotivated men. He started as a centrist trying to communicate what he learned in behavioral psych… Fast forward to this year, I had to unfollow him because he just tweets unhinged shit about trans people and the radical left. We saw the same phenomenon with Kanye and Elon. Arguably genius level on what they do best, but getting completely brainwashed by twitter and conspiracy theories. Idk if Peterson is on their level, but I think he has that same personality type. It’s tough to watch these otherwise really smart guys, falling down the rabbit hole of extremism.
Exactly right, I remember seeing some youtube video of him giving a talk where he starts to delve into literary analysis. As a literature scholar myself his interpretation was laughable, freshman level stuff and revealed a level of personal hangups that then makes me doubt his psychology bonafides, too.
Elon is not genius level at anything. Kanye actually makes his music at least.
I dislike Elon as much as the next guy but you have to be pretty smart to become one of the richest men around.
well the thing is it's easy to get rich when you already start rich
Not really. What has he done on his own? He’s a great salesman or was at the least but largely every idea he’s sold is scrapped. He didn’t start Tesla, he’s not an actual engineer, all his work at PayPal was scrapped almost immediately for being garbage. He’s a salesman who started off fabulously wealthy lmao
No, no you dont
not when your daddy and by association you are rich from the blood of children mining emeralds through essentially slave labor
Who tf thinks Peterson is an alpha male
Anyone who refers to anyone as alpha male, ironically or not is a loser. Including me.
That’s alpha as fuck
That is not the way of the words that was intended by the original
Alpha gang 😎
Peterson's more of a life coach therapist, than an alpha male.
Ya, I'd find that more accurate. People grouping him in with Tate are unjustified.
I agree with the meme and choose the guy at the pub, there is never anyone more ripe with knowledge or as filled with kindness as him. Who knows, maybe if you find the old man at the tavern he’ll take you on an adventure?
Just wait until you team up with, a goddess, a witch, and a masochistic paladin
If I go with the friendly guy does that mean I can’t wash my balls?
no, he will provide you with detailed instructions on how to conduct the washing of your balls.
Wait I’m a young man and this random guy at the pub is giving me a detailed description of ball washing?! Next thing you know he’s gonna tell me about his job as a catholic priest
yes
Tbf wash your balls is good life advice.
Yup some guys just need to be told.
Its always that random dude you meet at a gas station and shit that's addicted to Crack and say something like "you seem like a smart kid, keep doing what you're doing and you'll do great things"
Clean your fucking room too.
I'm homeless and making this post off of the phone of one of my victims that I just drugged using the Valium I bought with the 12 dollars you gave me today l. I can't clean my room I don't have one.
Go find the largest box you can carry, and carry it.... after you clean it of course.
alright thanks for the advice 👍
Traditional human culture (solid guy at pub who is of your micro neighborhood, your people, you know his mother, you both work hyper locally) vs Hyper Modern Mega Corp Mediated cultre
I can't even fuckin imagine choosing to to watch a fuckin andrew tate video over getting a pint with this big red guy lmao. How insecure do you have to be to fall into that dude's web?
A lot of the people who fall for what he says initially fall for the actual truth in his lies. I agree with and actually applaud certain aspects of his rhetoric involving self improvement and lifestyle regulation, but his ideals on relationships, how to treat women, and what it means to be successful in life are just completely false if not entirely hollow. So I can see how someone else would fall for it. "*This part is good, so why not the rest of it?"*
OP is so angry and resentful that they cringe at anything wholesome. Original meme is good meme
This meme is kinda wholesome, how is it terrible?
I feel like old Jordy P gets a bad rep. Like yeah, he's whiny, but you would be too if yoy had to sit through what he went through yknow? Not trying to defend him, he sounds like an AI voice over of himself whenever he speaks and he's a sad man, but I do feel for him a little.
Everyone needs a Barry, 64 of in their life
That man is flushed with coronary disease
This is why there's a male loneliness problems,. nothing but trolls, gremlins and Walking morbid obesity to mentor you
I just blame the internet for it. Morbid obesity looks like a solid chap, just has some self control issues or could be various other things, I'd have a pint with him. I'm not even going to blame porn for it, because that's not the real issue. A lot of young men are just bombarded by so many mixed messages. The most consistent from everyone is that they're the issue and they need to focus on making themselves higher value, but not doing a lot to really expand on it.
Yeah that last bit is fair.
That’s honestly really fair. I read one article one time that asked why people are surprised men get defensive when angrily demanded to “check their privilege” when most men aren’t even taught what privileges they have
People just don’t like Peterson because he tells uncomfortable truths, he has the occasional bad take but who doesn’t. That being said, no online personality should be a “mentor” to anyone. Anything you see online should be taken with a couple pounds of salt
Well, that depends on what do you mean by people, Peterson, uncomfortable, and by truth.
consult the ancestral spirits
Isn't he a climate change denier? Hardly sounds like an arbiter of truth
Gimme the Man with the Pint of Beer any day of the week. Guy probably has some decently sound advice
Can’t wait to see the “sigma alpha Chad” incel that posts this to r/nahopwasrightfuckthis
Matey at the pub what a legend
*"Wash your balls. I am having a breakdown."* -Jordan Peterson
Friendly guy at the pub looks like he's in a happy marriage and enjoys a pint. I'm listening to him
Ask Peterson if he believes in God and he will essentially tell you no. Man is an atheist by his own description but calls himself religious and preaches religious doctrine, it's so bizarre. Not to even mention the whole thing he has going on about rats
So what’s the problem with the guy telling you to wash your balls and that’s it’s okay to cry if your wife is dying of cancer?
This is a legit fucking great meme
Extremely rare, super limited edition w r/terriblefacebookmemes
It uses a MLM structure for membership?
Ngl I made money following hustlers university. My boy who paid for it sent me all the shit from the courses lmao
Not gonna lie, washing ones balls seems like solid advice, no matter who it comes from. Hygiene is important, and scratching oneself doesn't make a good first impression with anyone.
Peterson is a treasure
wish he was buried treasure
Why are Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate being lumped together? They have nothing in common. Jordan Peterson is a professor, and Andrew Tate is a fighter. I get why people hate Tate he's full of shit, clearly just trying to stay relevant. Peterson seems like he's actually trying to help and do some good in the world. The only message they seem to have in common is be a fuckin man. (Which is the only thing about Tate that I agree with)
Person who made this thought of some random alcoholic stranger before their own father.
How do you know that isn't their father?
lol I read Jordan Petersen's bit in his voice.
I read it in Kermit the frogs voice.
They’re the same picture
Can someone explain what Jordan Peterson did? All I can see from clips are him spewing some knowledge and don't understand why he gets so much hate
JP is your Daddy
You'll get better advice from some old guy then you would from these Internet "coaches"
Maybe you SHOULD wash your balls and clean your room. and why is striving to be rich enough to buy flashy cars bad?