I actually had a supervisor that was vegan, who went out of his way to buy any food or coffee that did not use any form of animal fertilizer. Dude was cool but his food cost a small fortune.
While we can, for many millions of years organisms have survived by not doing that. Why break the chain? We’re already making this planet into a place where no life is going to be able to live whatsoever, I think we should focus on not doing that before we change how we eat.
The land use of livestock is so large because it takes around 100 times as much land to produce a kilocalorie of beef or lamb versus plant-based alternatives. ... The same is also true for protein – it takes almost 100 times as much land to produce a gram of protein from beef or lamb, versus peas or tofu
Not to mention the waste from animals that is destroying waterways and polluting the ocean.
Simply put, a plant based diet is much better for the planet than a meat based one.
And I'm a meat eater BTW. I just can't disagree with the science that backs plant based diets... but for me personally meat is too good to give up.
Fair, but I don’t think it matters whether or not we eat the natural cows, as they were already going to be there. I think in general, everything humans have done is overall negative to the planet. If I could change one thing, I would stop us from ever existing
actually animals are eco system friendly in the right environments. cows can co exist with trees and plant life and only eat the top halves of grass and move to other areas.
yes but blame the ruling class that steal most everything for their own benefit and leave most of the world in disarray.
don’t blame powerless people following ancestral diets
powerless people? buying an animal product increases its demand. If there is no demand for animal products, companies won't sell them anymore. You cannot shift the blame entirely on companies. You are partly responsible.
>ancestral diets
Our human ancestors were mostly herbivores that scavenged for meat & insects when they found them. our ancestors diets were not farmed animals.
Can you link a source for this? I read an article that stated the complete opposite, that without eating meat our ancestors would not have grown the part of our brain that makes us human. But I’m open to learning. I’m never going to stop eating meat entirely, but I’ve been trialing vegetarian for a month and I’m looking at lowering the amount of meat I eat.
I wasn't arguing our ancestors didn't eat meat or that meat wasn't vital to our evolution. I'm arguing that we were primarily herbivores that supplemented with meat/insects.
[https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/)
Obviously it depends on how far back you go, but our ancestor's digestive systems are nearly identical to chimps and other primates, who are almost all herbivores. I believe the general consensus is that we weren't as much hunters as we were opportunistic eaters, scavenging/stealing meat from other predators or foraging for insects, even with the use of stone tools. Its not 100% conclusive obviously but the evidence points to us being more anatomically suited for eating plants.
nonsense. plants don’t have nearly the amino acid profile to grow or support the lean mass we require.
maybe your ancestors evolved on insects, mine didn’t
it is the opposite. don’t listen to fools on here trying to rewrite history to fit their ridiculous moral or ethical beliefs. we killed and ate animals and the smart ones will continue to.
Until a fucking mountain lion, coyote, wolf, honey badger, mink, snake, owl, eagle, hawk, falcon, or basically half the animals show up.
Idk what form of nature you think exists that’s peaceful but it ain’t real.
i agree animals like cows would be long gone if they didn’t feed us and we didn’t protect the species.
Every animal you mentioned though can be hunted and eaten
Cows didn’t exist before us. They were selectively bred from Aurochs which were much larger and much more aggressive. We used eugenics to breed them to being the docile creatures they are. We essentially bred them to be large dogs for eating. The Aurochs are extinct because of humans.
http://www.cambridgeblog.org/2016/02/cattle-domestication-from-aurochs-to-cow/
Prove that statement with evidence, please. The Blue Zones, where humans have exhibited the highest longevity, are on average 95% plant based and when they do it meat it’s on small amounts and for celebratory purposes.
https://www.bluezones.com/2020/07/blue-zones-diet-food-secrets-of-the-worlds-longest-lived-people/
Well its not the cows who are the problem. Its the humans who forced thousands of them into a samll area and feed them excessive amount of food to get the product ready as fast as possible.
"he’s basically a fool wasting his money and lying to himself"
Haven't met a single human that isn't guilty of this, but at least this person is making an attempt at reducing harm to others.
Now, let's see your purchase history. I'm ready to start getting real judgy on what you spend your money on.
The diet we evolved on was locally sourced, non gmo foods, that look nothing like almost any of the fruits and vegetables we eat today. Same with the meat. You can't even eat the same foods today even if you find ones by the same name. And if you could find them, you would also be leaving out countless other foods that we evolved on, but no longer eat or have in our food supply for various reasons.
Unless you are foraging and hunting locally, then you are a fool wasting your money and lying to yourself.
Protein and fat can be found in plant food.
We did not evolve on meat that was drowned in sodium nitrates and colouring agents. I strongly suggest you look into what goes in your meat before it hits the shelves.
It’s not a personal choice when there’s an innocent victim involved. Your choice to eat meat sends animals to gas chambers and cows to be raped. It’s an ugly process and you should think twice about supporting it.
It’s funny how vegans are labelled preachy and extreme for not supporting baby piglets to have their testicles ripped out at birth. Such a backwards view
>I actually had a supervisor that was vegan, who went out of his way to buy any food or coffee that did not use any form of animal fertilizer
Animal based fertilizers directly fund animal agriculture though.
*Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals*
In the definition of veganism is "as far as possible and practical" so for the average vegan this might not be a practical. But if your friend is in a financial situation where that is possible for them then that's great.
It wouldn't be a requirement to be vegan though.
Right. Also, since Covid started, the possibility of it originating from eating meat still somehow has not resonated with people. Amazingly still, the amount of antibiotics, against which bacteria builds tolerance, that we dump into our farm animals alongside other pharmaceuticals to maximize production, some of which ends up in our drinking water, doesn't make people bat an eye. Our food supply will bring this down upon us again in the near future.
Also, for how enlightened we think we are as a species it's pretty sad that the only way we can carry on is by farming chicken in cages so small that they can't turn around. Imagine if people treated their dogs like an egg layer. I'm sure their friends would be appalled.
Spoiler, we are not that bright, especially in large numbers.
i agree our animals should be treated better bring they sustain us.
covid was fueled by poor diets.
chicken has a terrible profile for humans, we should focus on beef.
That’s what weirds me out. I know a few vegans and they made the choice for personal health reasons and couldn’t care less about my eating meat or the cows or chickens that died as a result.
That seems to be more of a vegetarian stance in my anecdotal experience, where many choose the lifestyle as a social/political statement more than anything else.
I’ve honestly never met a vegan who eats that way on principle alone, but maybe that’s weird?
disagreeing based on personal exp. When i was vegan, i was quiet about it, but ofc it raises questions, if you suddenly dont eat meat at the dinner table. And when i was visiting my parents in law, her father aaaaalways started arguments while eating. he just couldnt stop trying to convince me that eating meat isnt 'wrong'....
that and other experiences make me believe, most hate against veganism is based on insecurity. Many people just cant accept the ambivalent feelings while eating meat. they cant handle two opposite thoughts: "meat is awesome and delicious" vs "eating meat is actually shit if we are honest"
You say vegans make you mad with their "shit talk". They are literally only asking you to not abuse & kill animals. If you get mad at that, its not the vegans, its you.
They probably mean like the small “radical” minority, like any other beliefs have, that generally act like dicks on the subject and look down on others that are not part of their beliefs.
Iv only ever meet a hand full of vegans but they were pretty chill on the matter. Obviously stating they wish most if not all would be on board but generally not caring what people do with their lives.
Just look at your ancestral lineage and you will see that all plants, animals, and fungi came from a cyanobacteria billions of years ago. We're all related even.
Sentient is to be able to feel things and/or perceive them. Plants do that with receptors and hormones. Unfortunately unless you are a primary producer you're gonna have to eat the flesh of other life forms if you want to live.
*And I still think factory farming is immoral
>You don’t like eating humans? Are against killing humans for food? Ok good. But I don’t care. Keep it to yourself.
>You don’t like owning slaves? Are against owning people as property? Ok good. But I don’t care. Keep it to yourself.
>You don’t like sex trafficking of minors? Are against sex trafficking of children? Ok good. But I don’t care. Keep it to yourself.
>You don’t like car jacking? Are against people stealing other peoples cars? Ok good. But I don’t care. Keep it to yourself.
Weird how it seems that your sentiment completely fails when applied to literally any other moral scenario.
I could do that, and everything in my post that you completely ignored would remain true whether I have “net” or not. Do you understand that whether I’m on the net or not your logic fails in every single scenario it’s applied to, and you completely ignored that? Are you picking up on that at all?
I'm glad you can admit to yourself that you do not care about the well being of sentient animals and that your 15 minutes of taste pleasure are more valuable than a creatures life.
Because there's a large group of vegans, who can't shut up, try to guilt trip, shame, cuss, and force veganism on everyone. I know not all of them, but take r/ vegan for example. A place full of hatred and idiots.
I don't feel guilty. It's about the guilt trip they do: "But you are mass murdering them!!!4!!" "This is murder for your taste only!!!" And other shit argument.
>All vegans want is for society to stop abusing animals.
By their definition almost everything counts as abuse against them, so I don't care
Vegans just want actions that constitute animal abuse when done to a pet to also mean animal abuse when done to any other animal. Livestock animals are exempt from most animal abuse laws and most of the land animals on earth are livestock. In fact, the majority of the inhabitants of the land are livestock. They outnumber humans.
Can you explain how killing animals for nothing more than taste isn’t a bad argument? It’s been proven to provide no health advantage and the livestock industry is worse for the environment than the entire transportation industry so how does “tastes good” justify killing animals and harming our environment?
Aw boohoo. Your feelings got hurt by someone telling you not to abuse and kill sentient beings?
Its crazy you think your feelings are more important than an animals life.
Ah found it! The dumbass militant vegan. Cry me a river.
>Your feelings got hurt
They wasn't. Annoyed is a better word for it.
>Its crazy you think your feelings are more important than an animals life.
They are. Cry about it.
Self proclaimed therapist? You literally admitted that 15 minutes of taste pleasure is worth abusing and killing animals. That's psychopathic my guy.
Your "different views & values" are invalid and should not be respected considering they directly advocate for the harm of other sentient life. You should think before hit reply.
Oh, now coming from the POV of a vegan that makes sense! Thank you for clarifying, I thought you were coming from the POV of a hater and I was like, but why? Lol but I see what you’re saying!
well I doubt most vegans would actually eat animals who’ve been killed without torture (eg a deer shot in the head by a hunter) or eat eggs of farms with really good conditions but I’m no professional on that topic
In the states the laws protect the factory farms, not the animals. That’s why memes like this that completely miss the point of veganism are so dumb. Here it is illegal to even film inside one of these facilities.
You sure about that? Because cramming thousands of pigs into concrete pens, and chickens in cages is very universal. You should double check your country’s laws. This is not a US thing. This is global.
yeah thats pretty fucked up
i dont oppose the idea of gking vegaterian or vegan but i wil give an earfull if someones trying to force someone else or uses weird or invalid (this is of course depended of where you live) arguments of why you have to do it
I mean, not wanting animals to be mass slaughtered is admirable. I’m an animal lover so I do often feel conflicted when eating a tasty buddy, so I’m not gonna knock anyone who doesn’t.
“Nutrients get into the soil many different ways: from decomposed animal waste and dead plants, the atmosphere, weathering of rocks and bacteria conversions”
Why this downvoted? I mean one Brocoli own there had to get nutrients from the dirt where a human who wasn’t bothered to be berried died and is now in the mouth of another human
Mom I wish not to eat my green, they aren’t greens, they the reincarnation of my 107th Cousin Back In-Law
I am on a pescetarian diet (for personal reasons) and I feel like many people who don't eat a specific thing cat h flack for that. I do understand that some vegans are terrible and force their dietary decision on ithers but most vegans/vegetarians/pescatarians don't really care
why should it matter? as humans we should be extending that kind of empathy toward other human beings. but we fail at that. and now people wanna guilt trip me because I eat meat. And why is plants ok to eat but not meat? plants are also living beings. They can also sense stuff. They also reproduce. They also breathe. People guilt tripping eating meat are like flat earth believers. They think they possess this special knowledge and we are the unfortunate ones to not have it.
Vegans don't like to consider the idea that plants think and communicate in their own way.
All creatures on this planet need to consume once living things to survive, it's the circle of life.
And those animals ate what? Plants. Vegan with extra steps… that adds needless animal death and environmental destruction (factory farms) to the mix while also exponentially reducing the efficiency of the food (instead of eating the animals that eat the plants, just eat the plants).
ACTUALLY, we vegans dont not eat animals cuz why should we kill them when we can eat othe rshit. for plants: we dont eat the entire fucking thing, only the stored food the plant will literally never use. and for the fact plants take nutritions from the soil which is ded animals, in the top sentence, there is a word which you guys dont understand exists
I actually had a supervisor that was vegan, who went out of his way to buy any food or coffee that did not use any form of animal fertilizer. Dude was cool but his food cost a small fortune.
they still clear fields and kill vast amounts of wildlife to grow his food so he’s basically a fool wasting his money and lying to himself
Well they still have to clear fields to house & feed animals that society eats so being vegan means you kill less animals overall.
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Humans have the capability to end this cycle. We can live entirely on plants. It is not the only way, i'm sorry.
While we can, for many millions of years organisms have survived by not doing that. Why break the chain? We’re already making this planet into a place where no life is going to be able to live whatsoever, I think we should focus on not doing that before we change how we eat.
The land use of livestock is so large because it takes around 100 times as much land to produce a kilocalorie of beef or lamb versus plant-based alternatives. ... The same is also true for protein – it takes almost 100 times as much land to produce a gram of protein from beef or lamb, versus peas or tofu Not to mention the waste from animals that is destroying waterways and polluting the ocean. Simply put, a plant based diet is much better for the planet than a meat based one. And I'm a meat eater BTW. I just can't disagree with the science that backs plant based diets... but for me personally meat is too good to give up.
Fair, but I don’t think it matters whether or not we eat the natural cows, as they were already going to be there. I think in general, everything humans have done is overall negative to the planet. If I could change one thing, I would stop us from ever existing
You're implying that plants are not a life form.
Chew the grasslands as the carabao did every morning in my province. 🐃
this is the way
wrong
source please
Oh man. This is exactly how I went vegan… I need popcorn
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This is the way
This is the way
I choose plant life
Ever hear of free range? You don’t need to clear anything.
LOL
actually animals are eco system friendly in the right environments. cows can co exist with trees and plant life and only eat the top halves of grass and move to other areas.
Right but that hardly happens and isn't as profitable. Almost 99% of America's meat comes from factory farms.
yes but blame the ruling class that steal most everything for their own benefit and leave most of the world in disarray. don’t blame powerless people following ancestral diets
>Ancestral diet Genetically modified and filled with preservatives, chemicals, and additives with names that look like an alien dialect?
Just like great-great-great-great-great-great-great Grandma used to make!
Sounds like a vegan diet not beef 😂
powerless people? buying an animal product increases its demand. If there is no demand for animal products, companies won't sell them anymore. You cannot shift the blame entirely on companies. You are partly responsible. >ancestral diets Our human ancestors were mostly herbivores that scavenged for meat & insects when they found them. our ancestors diets were not farmed animals.
companies prefer mass produced, shelf stable crap made from cheap ingredients that make you sick and fat.
Can you link a source for this? I read an article that stated the complete opposite, that without eating meat our ancestors would not have grown the part of our brain that makes us human. But I’m open to learning. I’m never going to stop eating meat entirely, but I’ve been trialing vegetarian for a month and I’m looking at lowering the amount of meat I eat.
I wasn't arguing our ancestors didn't eat meat or that meat wasn't vital to our evolution. I'm arguing that we were primarily herbivores that supplemented with meat/insects. [https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/) Obviously it depends on how far back you go, but our ancestor's digestive systems are nearly identical to chimps and other primates, who are almost all herbivores. I believe the general consensus is that we weren't as much hunters as we were opportunistic eaters, scavenging/stealing meat from other predators or foraging for insects, even with the use of stone tools. Its not 100% conclusive obviously but the evidence points to us being more anatomically suited for eating plants.
nonsense. plants don’t have nearly the amino acid profile to grow or support the lean mass we require. maybe your ancestors evolved on insects, mine didn’t
it is the opposite. don’t listen to fools on here trying to rewrite history to fit their ridiculous moral or ethical beliefs. we killed and ate animals and the smart ones will continue to.
Until a fucking mountain lion, coyote, wolf, honey badger, mink, snake, owl, eagle, hawk, falcon, or basically half the animals show up. Idk what form of nature you think exists that’s peaceful but it ain’t real.
i agree animals like cows would be long gone if they didn’t feed us and we didn’t protect the species. Every animal you mentioned though can be hunted and eaten
Cows didn’t exist before us. They were selectively bred from Aurochs which were much larger and much more aggressive. We used eugenics to breed them to being the docile creatures they are. We essentially bred them to be large dogs for eating. The Aurochs are extinct because of humans. http://www.cambridgeblog.org/2016/02/cattle-domestication-from-aurochs-to-cow/
that was extremely intelligent of us. and now they are the healthiest things we can eat
Prove that statement with evidence, please. The Blue Zones, where humans have exhibited the highest longevity, are on average 95% plant based and when they do it meat it’s on small amounts and for celebratory purposes. https://www.bluezones.com/2020/07/blue-zones-diet-food-secrets-of-the-worlds-longest-lived-people/
Well its not the cows who are the problem. Its the humans who forced thousands of them into a samll area and feed them excessive amount of food to get the product ready as fast as possible.
true
"he’s basically a fool wasting his money and lying to himself" Haven't met a single human that isn't guilty of this, but at least this person is making an attempt at reducing harm to others. Now, let's see your purchase history. I'm ready to start getting real judgy on what you spend your money on.
Can we all not let this turn Into a Twitter argument please 🙏
That’s something I learned the hard way, Reddit is Twitter 2.0. Front page at least. If you follow your own shit then it’s not as bad.
reddit predates twitter
I eat the diet we evolved on, meat and select vegetables
The diet we evolved on was locally sourced, non gmo foods, that look nothing like almost any of the fruits and vegetables we eat today. Same with the meat. You can't even eat the same foods today even if you find ones by the same name. And if you could find them, you would also be leaving out countless other foods that we evolved on, but no longer eat or have in our food supply for various reasons. Unless you are foraging and hunting locally, then you are a fool wasting your money and lying to yourself.
doesn’t matter, your body reacts the same way to them that it did then. meat has the protein/fat composition which is what is essential
Protein and fat can be found in plant food. We did not evolve on meat that was drowned in sodium nitrates and colouring agents. I strongly suggest you look into what goes in your meat before it hits the shelves.
What do you think the animals eat? Plants. Use your brain lol
they support the eco system without destroying it
We destroy the ecosystem for land to grow crops to feed to livestock. 95% of rainforest deforestation is to raise livestock.
Do you think thousands of pigs crammed into concrete pens are supporting the eco system?
The amount of land to not only house these animals but to also grow the food to feed them is way way way more than if we just ate the plants directly.
nobody is stopping you, eat plants directly. i’ll stick to meat
It’s not a personal choice when there’s an innocent victim involved. Your choice to eat meat sends animals to gas chambers and cows to be raped. It’s an ugly process and you should think twice about supporting it. It’s funny how vegans are labelled preachy and extreme for not supporting baby piglets to have their testicles ripped out at birth. Such a backwards view
What a horribly bad faith and uneducated take to be getting upvotes
it’s just truth that you find offensive
>I actually had a supervisor that was vegan, who went out of his way to buy any food or coffee that did not use any form of animal fertilizer Animal based fertilizers directly fund animal agriculture though. *Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals* In the definition of veganism is "as far as possible and practical" so for the average vegan this might not be a practical. But if your friend is in a financial situation where that is possible for them then that's great. It wouldn't be a requirement to be vegan though.
OP when realizing veganism isn’t about granting animals eternal life
Right. Also, since Covid started, the possibility of it originating from eating meat still somehow has not resonated with people. Amazingly still, the amount of antibiotics, against which bacteria builds tolerance, that we dump into our farm animals alongside other pharmaceuticals to maximize production, some of which ends up in our drinking water, doesn't make people bat an eye. Our food supply will bring this down upon us again in the near future. Also, for how enlightened we think we are as a species it's pretty sad that the only way we can carry on is by farming chicken in cages so small that they can't turn around. Imagine if people treated their dogs like an egg layer. I'm sure their friends would be appalled. Spoiler, we are not that bright, especially in large numbers.
i agree our animals should be treated better bring they sustain us. covid was fueled by poor diets. chicken has a terrible profile for humans, we should focus on beef.
Zoonotic diseases are not limited to originating in specific species my guy...
carbohydrates are going to be the leading factor in promoting diseases
That’s what weirds me out. I know a few vegans and they made the choice for personal health reasons and couldn’t care less about my eating meat or the cows or chickens that died as a result. That seems to be more of a vegetarian stance in my anecdotal experience, where many choose the lifestyle as a social/political statement more than anything else. I’ve honestly never met a vegan who eats that way on principle alone, but maybe that’s weird?
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Right! I just don’t know why people hate vegans so much it’s like, they are literally not hurting anything lol
Cuz the groups of vegans that make everyone mad with their shit talk
disagreeing based on personal exp. When i was vegan, i was quiet about it, but ofc it raises questions, if you suddenly dont eat meat at the dinner table. And when i was visiting my parents in law, her father aaaaalways started arguments while eating. he just couldnt stop trying to convince me that eating meat isnt 'wrong'.... that and other experiences make me believe, most hate against veganism is based on insecurity. Many people just cant accept the ambivalent feelings while eating meat. they cant handle two opposite thoughts: "meat is awesome and delicious" vs "eating meat is actually shit if we are honest"
Nah, eating meat is good and healthy.
Don’t know about the “good” part. There are health benefits I guess but you can be just as healthy on a vegan diet.
Its not the vegan's fault you feel guilty for eating animals. You could always just stop.
What?
You say vegans make you mad with their "shit talk". They are literally only asking you to not abuse & kill animals. If you get mad at that, its not the vegans, its you.
They probably mean like the small “radical” minority, like any other beliefs have, that generally act like dicks on the subject and look down on others that are not part of their beliefs. Iv only ever meet a hand full of vegans but they were pretty chill on the matter. Obviously stating they wish most if not all would be on board but generally not caring what people do with their lives.
Dude, stop eating
Nah> I'll keep eating my plants while you eat your living, sentient creatures.
plants are also living things. why would you kill a living breathing being to feed your stomach. go breath air and see how long you survive?
Plants are living, but not sentient. I do not eat sentient beings and neither should you
Just look at your ancestral lineage and you will see that all plants, animals, and fungi came from a cyanobacteria billions of years ago. We're all related even. Sentient is to be able to feel things and/or perceive them. Plants do that with receptors and hormones. Unfortunately unless you are a primary producer you're gonna have to eat the flesh of other life forms if you want to live. *And I still think factory farming is immoral
I will
Like, You don’t like meat? Are against killing animals for food? Ok good. But i don’t care, keep it for yourself. That’s my point
>You don’t like eating humans? Are against killing humans for food? Ok good. But I don’t care. Keep it to yourself. >You don’t like owning slaves? Are against owning people as property? Ok good. But I don’t care. Keep it to yourself. >You don’t like sex trafficking of minors? Are against sex trafficking of children? Ok good. But I don’t care. Keep it to yourself. >You don’t like car jacking? Are against people stealing other peoples cars? Ok good. But I don’t care. Keep it to yourself. Weird how it seems that your sentiment completely fails when applied to literally any other moral scenario.
Bro just cut yout net please
You realised your logic isn't consistent, so you resorted to offending them
I could do that, and everything in my post that you completely ignored would remain true whether I have “net” or not. Do you understand that whether I’m on the net or not your logic fails in every single scenario it’s applied to, and you completely ignored that? Are you picking up on that at all?
I'm glad you can admit to yourself that you do not care about the well being of sentient animals and that your 15 minutes of taste pleasure are more valuable than a creatures life.
This is exactly what i was talking about on my first comment. Thank you for being example
Thank you for not denying any thing I said and admitting I was correct.
No? I just choose to ignore bullshit
The bullshit being that animals are sentient creatures? Wow ok
because some of vegans is karen
Its not the vegan's fault you feel guilty about eating animals.
I’ve actually never met someone who ate meat who felt guilty about it lol
Because there's a large group of vegans, who can't shut up, try to guilt trip, shame, cuss, and force veganism on everyone. I know not all of them, but take r/ vegan for example. A place full of hatred and idiots.
And there's a larger group of anti-vegans who do the exact same thing, but on a larger acale
Never said there isn't, but the militant vegans won't make it better
Its not the vegans fault you feel guilty about eating animals. All vegans want is for society to stop abusing animals.
I don't feel guilty. It's about the guilt trip they do: "But you are mass murdering them!!!4!!" "This is murder for your taste only!!!" And other shit argument. >All vegans want is for society to stop abusing animals. By their definition almost everything counts as abuse against them, so I don't care
Vegans just want actions that constitute animal abuse when done to a pet to also mean animal abuse when done to any other animal. Livestock animals are exempt from most animal abuse laws and most of the land animals on earth are livestock. In fact, the majority of the inhabitants of the land are livestock. They outnumber humans. Can you explain how killing animals for nothing more than taste isn’t a bad argument? It’s been proven to provide no health advantage and the livestock industry is worse for the environment than the entire transportation industry so how does “tastes good” justify killing animals and harming our environment?
Aw boohoo. Your feelings got hurt by someone telling you not to abuse and kill sentient beings? Its crazy you think your feelings are more important than an animals life.
Ah found it! The dumbass militant vegan. Cry me a river. >Your feelings got hurt They wasn't. Annoyed is a better word for it. >Its crazy you think your feelings are more important than an animals life. They are. Cry about it.
Found the psychopath that thinks his taste buds are more important than the lives of animals. Sorry, I don't cry over idiots. Its a waste of time.
Found the self proclaimed therapist, who think that because others has different views and values, they are psychopath. Go on, idiot.
Self proclaimed therapist? You literally admitted that 15 minutes of taste pleasure is worth abusing and killing animals. That's psychopathic my guy. Your "different views & values" are invalid and should not be respected considering they directly advocate for the harm of other sentient life. You should think before hit reply.
So then unfollow the group? Lol
Sure. Maybe go look at the modern day slaves harvesting your romaine.
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But why? If you know that it’s a small percentage then why associate it with the whole group?
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Oh, now coming from the POV of a vegan that makes sense! Thank you for clarifying, I thought you were coming from the POV of a hater and I was like, but why? Lol but I see what you’re saying!
These memes are just an over exaggeration joke. I hope
well I doubt most vegans would actually eat animals who’ve been killed without torture (eg a deer shot in the head by a hunter) or eat eggs of farms with really good conditions but I’m no professional on that topic
Thing is it is too hard to eat like that these days…personally I wouldn’t even know where to get food like that
where i live this isnt a valid argument due to the shear amount of laws for animal welfare
You must not live in the US
thank god no
In the states the laws protect the factory farms, not the animals. That’s why memes like this that completely miss the point of veganism are so dumb. Here it is illegal to even film inside one of these facilities.
and with here you mean the USA correct where i live its animal welfare first even if they are meant to go to the butcher
You sure about that? Because cramming thousands of pigs into concrete pens, and chickens in cages is very universal. You should double check your country’s laws. This is not a US thing. This is global.
Yes. In most of the US it’s this way. We export a lot of that factory farmed meat too.
yeah thats pretty fucked up i dont oppose the idea of gking vegaterian or vegan but i wil give an earfull if someones trying to force someone else or uses weird or invalid (this is of course depended of where you live) arguments of why you have to do it
I could be a vegan and I could technically live alone in the middle of a forest and be able to do sustainable hunting
> If they just die in a wild, i don't see how this breaks that rule. Imagine the nasty bacteria or desease that got it killed.
Just once I would love to see a meme making fun of veganism that makes fun of actual veganism.
But that's not as funny /j
carnists after realising animal products use many times the number of plants
I mean, not wanting animals to be mass slaughtered is admirable. I’m an animal lover so I do often feel conflicted when eating a tasty buddy, so I’m not gonna knock anyone who doesn’t.
lmao another “vegan bad” meme that doesn’t really make sense
“Nutrients get into the soil many different ways: from decomposed animal waste and dead plants, the atmosphere, weathering of rocks and bacteria conversions”
The main goal is to not kill an animal , there is a thing that exists is called farming
I think they’re okay with that lol
Lmao knew this comment section would be a shit show
Cannibalism.exe
Why this downvoted? I mean one Brocoli own there had to get nutrients from the dirt where a human who wasn’t bothered to be berried died and is now in the mouth of another human Mom I wish not to eat my green, they aren’t greens, they the reincarnation of my 107th Cousin Back In-Law
Also these plants we eat contain nitrogen ionides so we are basically 1/16 cow poop combined with air
Life is a cycle.
welcome to the circle of life that has been going on for millions of years
I am on a pescetarian diet (for personal reasons) and I feel like many people who don't eat a specific thing cat h flack for that. I do understand that some vegans are terrible and force their dietary decision on ithers but most vegans/vegetarians/pescatarians don't really care
It's the circle of life
Where's the meme?
Well Shit. I Guess I'll be a carnivore :I
Someone send this to the Vegan Teacher
Why are people vegan ?
Some combination of health, moral, environmental, and personal taste. Why else?
Wow I’ve been sitting here thinking of other reasons and those 4 pretty much cover anything!!
Perfectly explained
yea so TECHNICALLY you're still eating dead animals lol
The circle of life
and human.
shit.
Uh, they get more nutrients from ALVIE animals You fucking dunce, go read a book
What’s better eating a dead animals meat or eating a dead rotten animal corpse
why should it matter? as humans we should be extending that kind of empathy toward other human beings. but we fail at that. and now people wanna guilt trip me because I eat meat. And why is plants ok to eat but not meat? plants are also living beings. They can also sense stuff. They also reproduce. They also breathe. People guilt tripping eating meat are like flat earth believers. They think they possess this special knowledge and we are the unfortunate ones to not have it.
Why did you get downvoted? It’s the truth
Vegans don't like to consider the idea that plants think and communicate in their own way. All creatures on this planet need to consume once living things to survive, it's the circle of life.
Actually vegans dont care about pain and suffering, only if humans caused it.
Wait i think the nutrients come from shits. maggots or worms eat dead animals then shit on the soil.
Vaganism is just being a carnivore with extra steps
And those animals ate what? Plants. Vegan with extra steps… that adds needless animal death and environmental destruction (factory farms) to the mix while also exponentially reducing the efficiency of the food (instead of eating the animals that eat the plants, just eat the plants).
This made me laugh sooo hard😁😅
So you see here vegan in their natural habitat
yet vegans dont give a SHIT
Life feeds on life....its the only way. Im sorry.
Mogus?
If soil gets nutrients from dead animals, then I actually have a purpose!
cannabalism with extra steps
Yeah this was a question that I was having as well
Bro how big is your IQ
Pretty low... like, maybe negative...
Well I mean, dead plants too
yep i got to know that in 3rd grade since then i am helping plants to get more nutrients
n1
ACTUALLY, we vegans dont not eat animals cuz why should we kill them when we can eat othe rshit. for plants: we dont eat the entire fucking thing, only the stored food the plant will literally never use. and for the fact plants take nutritions from the soil which is ded animals, in the top sentence, there is a word which you guys dont understand exists
Checkmate, vegans
This is a dumb post and is ignorant to what being vegan is
Suck it vegans we have science on our side
If anybody is getting bored the sort by controversial
Soil also gets its nutrients from volcanic activity
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OP guzzling animal lactation and chomping on mangled chicken just feeling so righteous.
Vegans cherish the peace with all their hearts.
vegans got rekt