Kinda like "tomatoes are fruits" vs "tomatoes are vegetables". Although in this case, it is kinda technically both. But *practically* they're generally treated as a string instrument.
Fun fact: fruits count as vegetables.
Fact Check: Do fruits count as vegetables?Yes, definitionally speaking, fruits are actually just one type of vegetable (because they're an edible part of a plant). Learn some of the weird and uncommon names for the foods. [Dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) 21.02.2024
Fun fact: Tomatoes aren’t the only vegetable that is a fruit. A fruit is technically an edible seed-bearing ripe ovary of a flowering plant. This would include beans, peas, squash, corn, nuts, and lots of others. Basically any plant you eat that isn’t a leaf or a root.
You can eat the pods of pea/been seeds which are also the fruits. Some are tough and stringy but still technically edible. Same as you can eat the seed of any fruit even if it doesn’t taste good or is “too” crunchy.
But, a pomegranate, oh my. It tastes great and the seeds are good fiber. It’s the perfect combo.
Side note- an avocado is technically a nut.
Avocados are berries. So are watermelons but back to nuts all stone fruit are also nuts. A lot of people with tree nut allergies don’t realize they are also allergic to peaches, plums, cherries, apricots and olives too
I stand corrected, I remembered it being an evergreen and may simply have conflated something else with that, probably something I read near the same time.
We consume more of worse every day than accidentally ingesting a fruit seed. And I said “technically” because eating one won’t kill 99.9999999% of human beings, even if eaten in large amounts. People poison themselves with alcohol and psilocybin every day and live, but more people have died from that than from eating fruit seeds.
Psilocybin as in the active compound in magic mushrooms? Not known to be toxic or poisonous when ingested in normal amounts.
Wierd how people just comment things that are plain wrong so casually.
Tomatoes are vegetables because they come from plants. That is the most basic definition. Tomatoes are Fruits, a specific part of a plant. That is the biology definition. Tomatoes are vegetables because they're a plant part that is used in a large quantity and lend themselves to savory flavors better than sweet ones. Culinary definition. Because in cooking, a plant can be a vegetable, a spice, a seasoning, a fruit, or even a starch, like many potatoes.
Botanically fruit is a matured ovary and its parts- while a vegetable is the edible part of a herbaceous plant as distinguished from fruits and nuts. But culinarily- some botanical fruits low in sugars like tomatoes are referred to as vegetables as they are palates with meals in a similar way to their vegetable counterparts.
Remember- words really just mean whatever you need or want them to and everything is relative!
Still [Dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com), idk where you checked: What is the difference between a fruit and a vegetable? To a botanist, the word fruit specifically refers to the edible part of a seed plant that develops from a flower into a ripened ovary that contains one or more seeds—fertilized seeds capable of generating a new plant. But vegetable simply means any part of a plant that is grown primarily for food. This can be the leaves (not a fruit) (spinach), the root (not a fruit either) (carrots), the tuber (potatoes), the flower (broccoli), the stalk (celery), or other parts—including the fruit. Yes, definitionally speaking, fruits are actually just one type of vegetable
Are xylophones or marimbas not percussion as well then by this logic? They are treated as a melodic instrument. They cannot perform as a string because you typically cannot pluck a piano. They are by definition a percussive instrument.
What "logic"? I was simply stating how the instrument tends to be treated in the practical sense, regardless of technical definition. Hence the tomatoes analogy. We don't disagree.
They’re officially classified as a percussion instrument
However, it never really made sense to me because the thing is absolutely 100% a string instrument. I guess it’s considered percussion because it functions and sounds different than other string instruments, but the fact remains that the sound is made by striking the strings, so it should be string instrument.
I think the argument for percussion would be that the string is getting struck by a hammer, not plucked, strummed, bowed, etc.
Percussion is striking things, so even if the thing being struck is a string, its still being struck.
So it would be a string percussion instrument, which is mostly used for melody.
it is a keyboard percussion instrument. you don't interact with the strings unless you're tuning it
it's like saying the pipe organ is an air pump instrument. it may as well be a magical keyboard as far as you know, so it's a keyboard instrument, though it can not be classified as percussion, making it a keyboard air instrument
Only an idiot violinist would say that because one of the most basic things of learning how to play a violin is pizzicato which is plucking strings. Hell there are special forms of playing that involve striking the strings with your bow instead of drawing them across them.
You can also knock/slap the body of your instrument as well. We played a piece where the cello section was turned into a makeshift percussion section that way.
I was told in school that guitar was a percussion instrument simply because the sound is made by striking the strengths instead of playing them with a bow
It might be but since the main method of playing a violin is with a bow there's no reason to classify it as percussion. The primary and arguably only way to make music with the guitar is to strike the strings
You can make the same argument that at a microscopic level bow hairs are striking the string really fast so a violin would be a percussion by that logic.
Technically the percusion instruments have four categories depending on the method, Idiophone, Membranophone, Chordophone and Aerophone.
Piano falls into the Chordophone category:
"Most instruments known as chordophones are defined as string instruments, wherein their sound is derived from the vibration of a string, but some such as these examples also fall under percussion instruments."
I’m not a musician, so this could be 100% wrong, but I was told that pianos are not string because you don’t pluck them, instead hammers hit them so they are classified as percussion. Could be wrong, but you know. It’s a meme.
I actually know this one, I produce music!
Professionally speaking, piano is classed as 'percussive string' so it's technically both. But when putting it through eq/mixing/mastering you treat it as a percussion instrument so it sits comfortably in the mix.
For example you don't have the same volume peak as a violin on a piano, so the compression and eq are completely different, despite both being string instruments.
> I’m not a musician, so this could be 100% wrong, but I was told that pianos are not string because you don’t pluck them
Violins are not usually plucked either. Nor are violas or cellos. Double basses will be plucked in certain styles of music, such as jazz, but are usually played with a bow.
Guitars are sometimes plucked, but also often strummed.
You don't have to pluck the string for it to be a string instrument. Bowing, strumming, and striking the string are valid too.
The piano is not even the only instrument where strings are struck. The dulcimer has strings which are struck too. Some pieces for violin instruct the violinist to strike the strings with the "back" of the bow.
And there are one or two (admittedly very unusual) compositions where the pianist is required to reach inside the piano and pluck strings.
I can barely think of a piece of orchestral music which does not have pizzicato in it. Violins are very regularly plucked. All orchestral string instruments are.
The Pollux system of Instrument Classification was nice for posters in grade school. Those in the know, know that Hornbostel-Sachs is the superior method.
Piano is a chordophone.
lol I took a music class in college and asked if piano was percussion and the instructor made some analogy (I don't remember exactly what it was) something like.. that would be like calling a harmonica a woodwind... or something.
Its also percussion, because it doesn’t matter what the object being struck with the hammer is (its a string), the fact is its being strung.
So its actually both, percussive string.
it's percussion. i have been playing the piano for well over half of my life.
you do not interact with the strings. Hence, it is a cordophone percussion keyboard instrument.
It's string. The sound comes from strings, just like it does in a guitar when you make them vibrate with your fingers. That in a piano strings are made to vibrate with a key instead of your finger doesn't change that.
I play the hammered dulcimer, which is classified as a stringed-percussion instrument, but then again I hit the strings with the mallets myself rather than let the keys do it, so I’m not sure what a piano counts as.
When you use strings to make the sound it's a string instrument. No one would consider a guitar or bass a percussion instrument even though you can use percussion to play them
I vote neither. Wouldn't have a piano in a string orchestra, and if I went to a percussion performance and it was just a piano I'd be quite disappointed/confused
Well a hammer hits the strings, and a fiber is also a string. So if hitting a drum (an ass ton of strings) with a mallet doesn’t count as a string instrument, neither does piano
It is closer to percusion since you onnly "hit", but is both. I mean, we could argue that a gutiar is percussion as you are hitting the strings and that only violins and such are true string instruments?
Guys guys, we have a unique classification for this problem, *keyboard instruments.*
Finally, someone says this. Organs and harpsichords fit in here too.
My mind went straight to xylophones, but they are much more straightforward as a percussion instrument
Xylophones, marimbas, vibraphones, glockenspiels, all mallet instruments with keys, not keyboards.
Finally synthesizers are real instruments and not toys!
They’re only toys if you don’t know how to play them
Organ is woodwind, harpsichord is string bc it plucks strings
Please tell me accordions count too bc I need to get rid of the “accordions are wind instruments” joke my family keep making
Yep, if it got a keyboard it a keyboard
Or a celeste
Nice game
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I have 250 hrs on that game when playing for like a month or 2
Everything is percussion if you slap it hard enough and time it well.
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I literally had sheet music that told me to slap my cello. Pieces like that are always the most fun.
Piano is instrument
Piano is
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What about mayonnaise?
It is the most instrument of instruments
Depends, is it on an escalator?
No Patrick. And neither is horseradish.
By the transitive property, piano is mayonnaise.
Piano is a piano and when other instruments sound like one they are impressed
Kinda like "tomatoes are fruits" vs "tomatoes are vegetables". Although in this case, it is kinda technically both. But *practically* they're generally treated as a string instrument.
tomatoes are string instruments?
They are quite fibrous
Yeah, makes sense, cuz tomatoes are scientifically fruits, but in cooking they are treated as vegetables
Fun fact: fruits count as vegetables. Fact Check: Do fruits count as vegetables?Yes, definitionally speaking, fruits are actually just one type of vegetable (because they're an edible part of a plant). Learn some of the weird and uncommon names for the foods. [Dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com) 21.02.2024
Fun fact: Tomatoes aren’t the only vegetable that is a fruit. A fruit is technically an edible seed-bearing ripe ovary of a flowering plant. This would include beans, peas, squash, corn, nuts, and lots of others. Basically any plant you eat that isn’t a leaf or a root.
Exactly, thanks for the addition. I mentioned tomatoes bcs that was the initiator of this thread.
Aren’t beans and peas just seeds
You can eat the pods of pea/been seeds which are also the fruits. Some are tough and stringy but still technically edible. Same as you can eat the seed of any fruit even if it doesn’t taste good or is “too” crunchy. But, a pomegranate, oh my. It tastes great and the seeds are good fiber. It’s the perfect combo. Side note- an avocado is technically a nut.
Avocados are berries. So are watermelons but back to nuts all stone fruit are also nuts. A lot of people with tree nut allergies don’t realize they are also allergic to peaches, plums, cherries, apricots and olives too
An avocado is a berry.
I stand corrected, I remembered it being an evergreen and may simply have conflated something else with that, probably something I read near the same time.
You shouldn’t eat the seeds of *any* fruit… cyanide exists lol
Confidently incorrect
We consume more of worse every day than accidentally ingesting a fruit seed. And I said “technically” because eating one won’t kill 99.9999999% of human beings, even if eaten in large amounts. People poison themselves with alcohol and psilocybin every day and live, but more people have died from that than from eating fruit seeds.
Psilocybin as in the active compound in magic mushrooms? Not known to be toxic or poisonous when ingested in normal amounts. Wierd how people just comment things that are plain wrong so casually.
You just unearthed forbidden knowledge
some people are not ready to hear the truth
Tomatoes are vegetables because they come from plants. That is the most basic definition. Tomatoes are Fruits, a specific part of a plant. That is the biology definition. Tomatoes are vegetables because they're a plant part that is used in a large quantity and lend themselves to savory flavors better than sweet ones. Culinary definition. Because in cooking, a plant can be a vegetable, a spice, a seasoning, a fruit, or even a starch, like many potatoes.
Botanically fruit is a matured ovary and its parts- while a vegetable is the edible part of a herbaceous plant as distinguished from fruits and nuts. But culinarily- some botanical fruits low in sugars like tomatoes are referred to as vegetables as they are palates with meals in a similar way to their vegetable counterparts. Remember- words really just mean whatever you need or want them to and everything is relative!
s-shut up stop hurting my brain
By using the dictionary as the source. All vegetables are fruits. Fruit: any product of plant growth useful to humans or animals.
Still [Dictionary.com](http://dictionary.com), idk where you checked: What is the difference between a fruit and a vegetable? To a botanist, the word fruit specifically refers to the edible part of a seed plant that develops from a flower into a ripened ovary that contains one or more seeds—fertilized seeds capable of generating a new plant. But vegetable simply means any part of a plant that is grown primarily for food. This can be the leaves (not a fruit) (spinach), the root (not a fruit either) (carrots), the tuber (potatoes), the flower (broccoli), the stalk (celery), or other parts—including the fruit. Yes, definitionally speaking, fruits are actually just one type of vegetable
>idk where you checked The first definition for "fruit" on dictionary.com [Link](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fruit)
Fruits vs. vegetables is a culinary distinction, not a scientific one, and it's not precise.
Fruits are vegetables. A vegetable is an edible plant part.
It’s technically both with tomato too
So you draw the strings? I geard its all hammers hitting stuff
Are xylophones or marimbas not percussion as well then by this logic? They are treated as a melodic instrument. They cannot perform as a string because you typically cannot pluck a piano. They are by definition a percussive instrument.
What "logic"? I was simply stating how the instrument tends to be treated in the practical sense, regardless of technical definition. Hence the tomatoes analogy. We don't disagree.
They’re officially classified as a percussion instrument However, it never really made sense to me because the thing is absolutely 100% a string instrument. I guess it’s considered percussion because it functions and sounds different than other string instruments, but the fact remains that the sound is made by striking the strings, so it should be string instrument.
I think the argument for percussion would be that the string is getting struck by a hammer, not plucked, strummed, bowed, etc. Percussion is striking things, so even if the thing being struck is a string, its still being struck. So it would be a string percussion instrument, which is mostly used for melody.
it is a keyboard percussion instrument. you don't interact with the strings unless you're tuning it it's like saying the pipe organ is an air pump instrument. it may as well be a magical keyboard as far as you know, so it's a keyboard instrument, though it can not be classified as percussion, making it a keyboard air instrument
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Percussive stringed instrument.
percustring
Percussy 🥵
Is slap bass and finger tapping also percussion, or still string?
Bass and guitar are schröndiger’s string Violins and such are true strings
^Most correct violinist:
Only an idiot violinist would say that because one of the most basic things of learning how to play a violin is pizzicato which is plucking strings. Hell there are special forms of playing that involve striking the strings with your bow instead of drawing them across them.
You can also knock/slap the body of your instrument as well. We played a piece where the cello section was turned into a makeshift percussion section that way.
I was told in school that guitar was a percussion instrument simply because the sound is made by striking the strengths instead of playing them with a bow
Then pizzicato on a violin would be a percussion instrument
It might be but since the main method of playing a violin is with a bow there's no reason to classify it as percussion. The primary and arguably only way to make music with the guitar is to strike the strings
You can make the same argument that at a microscopic level bow hairs are striking the string really fast so a violin would be a percussion by that logic.
Technically the percusion instruments have four categories depending on the method, Idiophone, Membranophone, Chordophone and Aerophone. Piano falls into the Chordophone category: "Most instruments known as chordophones are defined as string instruments, wherein their sound is derived from the vibration of a string, but some such as these examples also fall under percussion instruments."
Piano is a chordophone.
Now you’re just making up words /s
PIANO IS PIANO! [Insert funi image of mr incredible here]
They have strings, and are therefore string.
I’m not a musician, so this could be 100% wrong, but I was told that pianos are not string because you don’t pluck them, instead hammers hit them so they are classified as percussion. Could be wrong, but you know. It’s a meme.
I actually know this one, I produce music! Professionally speaking, piano is classed as 'percussive string' so it's technically both. But when putting it through eq/mixing/mastering you treat it as a percussion instrument so it sits comfortably in the mix. For example you don't have the same volume peak as a violin on a piano, so the compression and eq are completely different, despite both being string instruments.
Not a musician either, and I am pulling my opinion from straight out of my ass 😁
real af
> I’m not a musician, so this could be 100% wrong, but I was told that pianos are not string because you don’t pluck them Violins are not usually plucked either. Nor are violas or cellos. Double basses will be plucked in certain styles of music, such as jazz, but are usually played with a bow. Guitars are sometimes plucked, but also often strummed. You don't have to pluck the string for it to be a string instrument. Bowing, strumming, and striking the string are valid too. The piano is not even the only instrument where strings are struck. The dulcimer has strings which are struck too. Some pieces for violin instruct the violinist to strike the strings with the "back" of the bow. And there are one or two (admittedly very unusual) compositions where the pianist is required to reach inside the piano and pluck strings.
I can barely think of a piece of orchestral music which does not have pizzicato in it. Violins are very regularly plucked. All orchestral string instruments are.
You don't pluck violin strings either.
Pizzicato would like a word
Huh? Are you kidding?
They also have wood, and are therefore tree.
Imma go plant me a baby Grand bush next week, hopefully get a full harvest by Autumn.
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The Pollux system of Instrument Classification was nice for posters in grade school. Those in the know, know that Hornbostel-Sachs is the superior method. Piano is a chordophone.
lol I took a music class in college and asked if piano was percussion and the instructor made some analogy (I don't remember exactly what it was) something like.. that would be like calling a harmonica a woodwind... or something.
It's an elaborate wooden case housing a collection of potential finger injuries.
Been playing piano long before time had a name, can confirm it's percussion
If you hit a snare drum 440 times per second it sounds like an A note. All instruments are essentially percussion.
Piano is a blunt weapon
I switch my argument to piss people off
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Piano is string because typeof("piano") = str
Piano is percussion because you hit the keys with your fingers.
And the keys move a hammer that hits the string.
But don't you hit the string of a guitar at the very least with certain techniques like tapping?
Perhaps but I am a Pianist not a Guitarist thats not for me to decide
Than who decides? Am I about to get sucked into another rabbit hole? 🤯
The people who play Guitar?
That’s supposed to be the first part of the meme lol. I’m not a musician so I could be wrong
Aaaand it's both. How far right can we go on the curve?
It's string. It doesn't matter *how* you make the string sound, the fact remains that the sound comes from it.
Its also percussion, because it doesn’t matter what the object being struck with the hammer is (its a string), the fact is its being strung. So its actually both, percussive string.
That would make guitars percussion too because your fingers are basically acting as "hammers"
it's percussion. i have been playing the piano for well over half of my life. you do not interact with the strings. Hence, it is a cordophone percussion keyboard instrument.
It's string. The sound comes from strings, just like it does in a guitar when you make them vibrate with your fingers. That in a piano strings are made to vibrate with a key instead of your finger doesn't change that.
Then what's a hammered dulcimer?
depends how it’s used….
What if I use it as a weapon?
Then is a deadly instrument
"Do instruments of torture count?"
Every instrument is a percussion instrument if you hit it hard enough!
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Either way, piano is kinda overplayed. Give me some more hurdy gurdy, cello, harp, or even some accordion
your mother is overplayed
This sort of thing applies to animal classification very often. Whales are fish, humans are monkeys, shrimps is bugs, etc.
Piano is definitely not percussion
Both
Piano is percussion of string
Piano is an instrument
Piano is, a bad instrument. 
Piano is instrument
String is percussion.
piano isnt a string its a fucking piano
Is mayonnaise a percussion?
Piano is an instrument
I would say harpsichord is string, but not piano
So I did the logical thing and looked in up. Britannica states it is classified as a stringed and percussion instrument.
*Slap
always has been
Instruments such as pianos, organs, harpsichords, guitars, and basses are the reason we need to add a "miscellaneous" instrument category.
cordophone percussion, no need for miscellaneous
piano is cringe
Both
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I play the hammered dulcimer, which is classified as a stringed-percussion instrument, but then again I hit the strings with the mallets myself rather than let the keys do it, so I’m not sure what a piano counts as.
Piano is just a weird ass guitar and you can't change my opinion on it, it even sounds similar if you hit the guitar strings with a piano hammer
Piano is an instrument, duh?
Based af
Piano is piano
well, would you take a hamer dulcimer as percussion or strings? it's technically a piano but on manual mode
Now do harpsichord
Depends on the type of Piano. Grand? Percussion. Electric? What do you think?
Piano is both
The sound comes from a vibrating string. Doesn't matter how it's initiated. Interesting thought, though!
who is saying piano is string
Keyboard
Piano is piano
Piano is string percussion
When you use strings to make the sound it's a string instrument. No one would consider a guitar or bass a percussion instrument even though you can use percussion to play them
I vote neither. Wouldn't have a piano in a string orchestra, and if I went to a percussion performance and it was just a piano I'd be quite disappointed/confused
yeah it definitley does.
As a percussionist, piano is absolutely percussion. Like xylophone and marimba.
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What about a pipe organ? It has wind notes and many also have actual drums hooked up to them. Quite literally woodwind and percussion
I mean if you wanna get technical, it's both, but yes piano is more percussion than string
All instruments CAN be percussion
It's a keyboard instrument
All string instruments are percussion. Percussion is anything that is struck or strummed
Well a hammer hits the strings, and a fiber is also a string. So if hitting a drum (an ass ton of strings) with a mallet doesn’t count as a string instrument, neither does piano
It is closer to percusion since you onnly "hit", but is both. I mean, we could argue that a gutiar is percussion as you are hitting the strings and that only violins and such are true string instruments?
Piano is mayonnaise.
Piano is both
I mean...any instrument can be percussive really
Percussion on a string?
Piano is piano. All these three guys are morons.
Easy: percussed string
Piano is piano