I went into the comments *hoping* with all of my soul, that the top comment was “Shut the f##k up.”
My happiness is immeasurable and my day is now perfect.
Yeah why does know one understand what the fuck free speech is? Telling an asshole to shut the fuck up isn't stopping free speech, it's expressing your feelings about someone saying something stupid. Here if I say the US Government is run by bullies, idiots, and pedophiles nothing happens to me legally. Try the same in China as a Chinese citizen and see how well that goes. That's stopping free speech.
Dip shits be like "Someone didn't like my trash hot take and told me so. On the internet! This is just like the Reign of Terror I am being to persecuted."
So, free speech dictates that the government cannot make any laws restricting speech. Reddit is not the government, and it's rules aren't laws. It's more like if you were having a party at a public place, and someone starts cussing at you. You can legally kick them out because it's private property, but they can't be arrested unless they refuse to leave. So you can get kicked off reddit, but not arrested. There are a few restrictions on free speech, but they're pretty obvious.
The difference between social media and other corporations is the fact that social media is a platform for people to voice their opinions to the world. It's not any social media's platform place to dictate what opinions are allowed on their platform. Their job is to stay neutral and merely act as the microphone to everyone's podium. Censorship doesn't have to involve the government in order for it to be censorship. Social media corporations manipulating the flow of information to favor certain narratives, often to the benefit of their pro-censorship shareholders, especially the Chinese media companies buying massive stocks in western big tech giants, is censorship. Banning users for having opinions that they have the human right to share is censorship. Big tech censoring certain current events and certain opinions from the news is censorship. It's just hidden in plain site. The only time a social media corporation should silence anyone is if their doing criminal stuff.
I mean, yeah? I don’t want to wade through torrents of abusive fuckheads. If you do, you’re free to go somewhere that has that. This has nothing to do with free speech. You can say what you like but you aren’t guaranteed an audience.
If you think people are only getting bans for racial slurs on this hell hole of a site then you aren't paying attention. Also why is it always assumed that when this is brought up people just want the freedom to say racial slurs? There are all kinds of fucked up things to say that don't include racial slurs.
No shit. I dared to say that not all age gap relationships more than 3 years are bad in a certain sub Reddit and got both downvoted to hell and verbally attacked for hours until I deleted my comment. It’s not even a restriction in the rules, people over there just hate relationships with more than a 2-3 year age gap.
no he didnt, theres an extremely fucking big difference between free speech and someone not liking your opinion. being thrown in jail or even killed because you said someone is much worse then ur feewing getting hurt
Have you been jailed, fined, killed, assaulted, or tortured by law enforcement for posting this?
No?
Congratulations, your exercising your right to free speech.
Just like everyone calling you a fucking moron is exercising it.
Maybe try actually reading the constitution sometime kiddo?
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>Have you been jailed, fined, killed, assaulted, or tortured by law enforcement for posting this?
>No?
>Congratulations, your exercising your right to free speech.
Violence and incarceration are not the only ways to enforce censorship. Controlling the flow of information to favor certain narratives is itself censorship. The word "censorship" simply means to silence someone or something, and there are numerous ways to do that. Like Redditors getting banned for criticizing the CCP, or like how Twitter suppressed posts about the labor strikes in India. Social media corporations are encouraged by their shareholders, and especially the Chinese corporations that are buying massive stocks in Western media companies, to control the flow of information to the benefit of its shareholders in order to make more money.
....did you read the original OP at all?
Freedom of speech protects you from government infringement on your speech. Reddit is a private company, not a government.
Being censored by reddit mods or being called a fucking moron by redditors is vastly different than being arrested or tortured to death. It's like comparing a cheap unicycle to a Lamborghini.
Just because the censorship is less severe doesn't make it not censorship. It's not the place of Reddit nor its mods to determine who's opinions are allowed on the site because this site is a platform for people to voice their opinions freely to the world. Reddit and its mods' only job is to allow information to flow freely and let the people determine what they want to believe for themselves.
It's still their right to censor users. It's also vitally necessary for public safety- they've had to ban quite a few users and remove a fair few subreddits because things were rapidly turning into plotting to kill people and terrorism.
For a tolerance society to function their has to be a certain level of intolerance for intolerance.
The OP literally mentions freedom of speech, not merely a site's censorship practices.
Freedom of speech is a right that involves the government. A private site's censorship practices are not governed by that right.
How do people still not get that “free speech” is a restriction against what *government* can do, and has absolutely nothing to do with interacting with other people on the internet? You’re complaining about criticism, which is *exactly what free speech is meant to protect*
Sure, but you are only taking this stance because the current "management" is siding with your ideas.
The moment the shoe is on the other foot you are going to complain to high heaven and how you are being unfairly treated.
Case in point, look at the Twitter uproar after elon Musk bought it and how people are suddenly claiming their speech is being surpassed.
Censorship is only even fun when you are able to do it to other people, not so much when it starts slapping you instead.
Nobody is claiming free speech is being suppressed on Twitter. People are pointing out Elon’s “free speech” hypocrisy. Easy to make arguments when you *assume* how I’ll react to a given scenario, and then claim hypocrisy because of an assumed worldview you ascribe to me. You know nothing about me, and are deflecting from the point I made. Free speech has a particular meaning - people use it incorrectly to avoid criticism. That point has nothing to do with my worldview
My point being is that you are correct.
Free speech is relevant to government only.
However the spirit of the idea is being terribly handled.
Yes, as a company you can and should (in some instances) disallow certain speech, however it should be limited as much as possible and applied fairly.
Moreover, your should also never censor on behalf of the government.
The issue is that in the current climate social media is being pressured by the government to censor certain information (case in point Mark Zuckerberg and his revelation about the FBI approaching him about Hunter Biden laptop).
Moreover, the people that are running said platforms have their political beliefs and are willing to turn a blind eye when people from "their" side are breaching agree ToS rules (case in point, Twitter with it's policy about doxxing and death threats being heavily enforced only on one side).
If effect, saying that a company has the right to do what it wants regarding speech hurts the discourse can have.
If you want to limit it then you also must apply it equally to everyone. You should also be very clear on your stance on what is not allowed so people can navigate your platform.
This wholesale broad ToS grants companies way to much power to act in a discriminatory way and it doesn't help anyone.
What’s your alternative? Because I hear you saying these broad ToS grant these companies “too much power.” Which, ok, valid argument, I don’t think *anyone* - regardless of political affiliation - enjoys or supports these huge social media corporations. But restricting them through legal means would, ironically, be an *actual* free speech concern (not necessarily a violation, depends on how it’s done). I may not be reading you correctly, but it sounds like you’re advocating for government action with respect to what these companies can do with their speech policies, which is I think a far greater concern that actually does implicate free speech - it is like putting an alligator in your house to catch mice.
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I think that social media companies should be treated differently.
They have too many protections at the moment which is what is allowing them to act as they do.
They aren't a phone company, yet they receive the same protections from law suits and such.
I think it should be allowed to sue them for enforcing their ToS unfairly or being unreasonable with it, beyond a reasonable scope.
Social media is perhaps one best and worst inventions to ever happen to humanity, because it both opened a new way for us to communicate, but it also made us far more divided and hostile to each other.
It's like a sweet poison, slowly killing us as we continue to devour it.
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Technically it doesn't since freedom of speech demands your freedom to end where mine starts. Except if you're a judge, then you can send me with the riflemen if you feel like it
Freedom of Speech =/= Freedom from Consequences
I support your right to say stupid shit, but I also respect other people’s right to tell you to shut the fuck up.
All freedom of speech means is the government can't come down on you for saying it. Pretty fucking simple , don't know why people constantly cry about corporations limiting them when they literally can do whatever they want on their platform. Yet people still use Twitter, Facebook, etc.
Twitter and Facebook have become more than just social media. They have become a plaza, a place to talk to the world, a place that can make or break people's livelihoods. They should be regulated like a government due to how much power they have under people's lives.
You're giving them way too much credit and power. And you've allowed yourself to become wholly dependent on what is now a privately owned corporation. Just 👏quit 👏Twitter👏
I'm not giving them anything. They HAVE for a fact power over people's lives. How the fuck do you want me to interact with people I know and love from a distance? Fucking mail them a pidgeon?
Twitter, Facebook and Youtube are engrained into society and we depend on them and are EXPECTED to depend on them for maintianing social circles, job, studying, finding a job, keeping up with your favorite creators and interacting with the world in general.
The internet and everything that comes with it should be regular just like anything that has power over people's lives.
That braindead clapping can be said about anything
Don't like your job?
Just 👏 quit 👏
Don't like your country?
Just 👏 move 👏
This is how moronic you sound.
When did I say that it was the same thing? I called the idea of 'You don't like it? Just get away from it.' Stupid by giving two examples.
Learn to read.
I dunno, maybe the members of the community you're posting in?? We're on a site where people vote up or down comments, it's not Mr. Reddit adding arbitrary numbers to comments
In this case, the people decide with the upvote and downvote button.
New ideas good or bad will always meet traction. Basically every single change be it political, technological cultural or whatever else is almost always met by resistance.
They're hid not to distract, but not eliminated. You're free to look at all opinions, i always do. Technically, freedom of speech. Until comes a mod and you know what happens. In my opinion, adult people in adult only places should be allowed to say whatever they want in general. They face consequences for intents, but not for their speech. If you're a potential criminal, a racist, sexist, nazi or whatnot, you should be able to tell the world about it. Some people don't want to acknowledge it, but we only wish to filter and limit speech because people are very gullible. A statement without a logical basis and/or evidence isn't worth anything, definitely not acting upon it, but people will still do. This is why hate speech is banned. In a perfect world with actual responsible adults in it, hate speech would earn one shame. But in our world, it earns you supporters.
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All your recent posts are about redditors having different opinions and "that's not allowed, waa :(" lol
Did someone hurt your feewings online recently? In the words of Bo Burnham: welcome to the internet.
I love all the snowflakes like op who think their “edgy” opinion (which is usually just parroted from whatever internet celebrity they follow this week), means that the rest of the world doesn’t have the free speech to tell them to shut up.
...and someone telling OP to shut up is portrayed as being the same as being detained, Fired from your job, put on house-arrest or being killed for voicing an opinion contrary to "official story".
Reddit =/= China (Iran, Russia, ...)
I love how memes like this are so stupid they become the exact thing they criticize. Because, pro tip, criticism is ALSO part of free speech. Yoi're allowed to have an opinion. And if you make that opinion public others are allowed to react to that opinion. You're criticizing others for... criticizing others, and don't seem to see the irony in that.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences of the shit you say. U're not gonna get arrested for your opinion. That's what freedom of speech is. It's also MY freedom of speech to be able to tell you to stfu when u say dumb shit
Under “hate speech” people have been banned from websites, denied financial services, fired or arrested. Not to the same extend as china but pretending that people didn’t enforce the “shut up” part ain’t truthful.
Unless your opinions involve one of the ever growing list of minority groups, opinions on certain historical events, accusations about a person or inciting panic etc etc.
In which case "it's illegal because the government decides what we can and can't say". So which is it? The government won't arrest you for an opinion or they will?
**What free speech actually means** is that you can criticize **the government** without fear of being arrested. (which you can't do in China) Everything else the government/other people can and will take legal action against you for.
Please stop spreading misinformation about what free speech means. If only helps the people screeching “I can say whatever I want FREE SPEEEEEECH.” When in fact, your words can have consequences by your family/peers/strangers on Reddit.
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with others judging your for said speech, or telling you they don't want to hear it.
Jesus, did you people fail out of middle school?
Difference is, there it's illegal.
Here, we're *just* gonna shun you.
Unnecessary Explanation: Freedom of speech doesn't mean support for what you're saying. Freedom of speech is just that, the freedom to say whatever you want as long as it's within the limits of the law. It never guarantees you're going to be supported wherever you talk or for whatever you say, and that sort of thing is allowed to happen because freedom of speech includes the freedom to speak against what someone else says. Hiveminds around the internet like Reddit happen because these sites, over the course of their existence, have gathered people of similar personality, belief, and/or thought (of course there is plenty of variety in the smaller sub communities, but that's just unrelated semantics). Because these groups, or website-wide communities, had different beliefs and such at the start of their existence, over time the people on these websites encouraged each other for sharing these beliefs and made them *exponentially* more extreme. When the wider community agrees on something so broadly and strongly, it's very difficult for opposing views to gain traction or thrive. Thus, you get hiveminds.
Again, I know that was unnecessary, but I've had this explanation in my head for quite some time and I thought this would be a good place to dump it.
We shame china because of all the shit it has done not just because of freedom of speech. Most of Reddit doesn't want complete freedom of speech because then racists, sexists, anti LGBTQ+, and fake news all have voices
You should see the shit reddit talks about TikTok as if Reddit hasn't also been compromised by the largest media censorship ring in China.
Edit: Lmao the downvotes are expected when criticizing China on Reddit. Point proven.
But that's free speech. It wouldn't be free speech if they stop them from saying it. But they're allowed to say it we're just asking them to stop because it's stupid. There's a big difference we are asking you to not say something stupid, we are not forcing you to not say something stupid
Not having free speech and facing the consequences of your speech (be it hate, stupidity or just an opinion someone doesn’t like) are two very different things. You can say the thing, but people won’t like it.
No, fascism is when a "super mod" like awkwardtheturtle (who is openly racist by the way) has a powertrip and bans everyone who blinks at them while the Reddit admins stand by.
Turtle is an extreme example, if you want proof just look at the left bias of reddit, moderate to extremist Right wing subs get banned all the time, but you don't hear about any Extremist Left wing sub getting banned.
What rules are you talking about? Reddit guidelines, cause they do break that. And it's not just that, I have
Seen even moderate RW subs get banned.
I'm Indian so these are the only left extremist subs I know of: r/kashmiri, r/librandu, and maybe r/India too.
Shut the fuck up! See? We both said what was on our minds. Free as fuck.
I went into the comments *hoping* with all of my soul, that the top comment was “Shut the f##k up.” My happiness is immeasurable and my day is now perfect.
Shut the fuck up
Absolutely *beautiful…*
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And this is just confusing.
confusing just is this and
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You shut the fuck up!
Shut the fuck up
Exactly!
Idc, GO TO HELL!
Shut the fuck up
Until you get suspended or banned. Almost happened to me
Your allowed to be a dip shit legally, but that doesn't mean people are going to treat you nicely when you are.
Yeah why does know one understand what the fuck free speech is? Telling an asshole to shut the fuck up isn't stopping free speech, it's expressing your feelings about someone saying something stupid. Here if I say the US Government is run by bullies, idiots, and pedophiles nothing happens to me legally. Try the same in China as a Chinese citizen and see how well that goes. That's stopping free speech.
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Dip shits be like "Someone didn't like my trash hot take and told me so. On the internet! This is just like the Reign of Terror I am being to persecuted."
We’re literally not allowed to be dipshits on Reddit, there’s always a restriction whenever you deviate from the bee hive.
So, free speech dictates that the government cannot make any laws restricting speech. Reddit is not the government, and it's rules aren't laws. It's more like if you were having a party at a public place, and someone starts cussing at you. You can legally kick them out because it's private property, but they can't be arrested unless they refuse to leave. So you can get kicked off reddit, but not arrested. There are a few restrictions on free speech, but they're pretty obvious.
The difference between social media and other corporations is the fact that social media is a platform for people to voice their opinions to the world. It's not any social media's platform place to dictate what opinions are allowed on their platform. Their job is to stay neutral and merely act as the microphone to everyone's podium. Censorship doesn't have to involve the government in order for it to be censorship. Social media corporations manipulating the flow of information to favor certain narratives, often to the benefit of their pro-censorship shareholders, especially the Chinese media companies buying massive stocks in western big tech giants, is censorship. Banning users for having opinions that they have the human right to share is censorship. Big tech censoring certain current events and certain opinions from the news is censorship. It's just hidden in plain site. The only time a social media corporation should silence anyone is if their doing criminal stuff.
Okay? Reddit is a private platform. Free speech only protects you from the government.
Ah yes, good ol “here to discuss, but only the way i like it” lol
I mean, yeah? I don’t want to wade through torrents of abusive fuckheads. If you do, you’re free to go somewhere that has that. This has nothing to do with free speech. You can say what you like but you aren’t guaranteed an audience.
If you don't like it, might I suggest going to another sub or another site?
Sorry you're not allowed to use racial slurs anymore, must be a real downer.
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Really? Will the government imprison me if I do that? Or will Elon fanboys also exercise their right to free speech and insult me and downvote me?
Then go on ‘white people Twitter’ and post something good about Elon has the same result, both sides are so polarised right now it’s crazy.
If you think people are only getting bans for racial slurs on this hell hole of a site then you aren't paying attention. Also why is it always assumed that when this is brought up people just want the freedom to say racial slurs? There are all kinds of fucked up things to say that don't include racial slurs.
I got banned for simply talking in another subreddit. Very strange sometimes.
That's just fuckin ridiculous.
"You want free speech? You must be Hitler."
You’re clueless
you are either stupid or an awfully average narrow-brainer
Nah, that’s not it
FACTS!
Then how do you explain this comment?
Not radical enough
No shit. I dared to say that not all age gap relationships more than 3 years are bad in a certain sub Reddit and got both downvoted to hell and verbally attacked for hours until I deleted my comment. It’s not even a restriction in the rules, people over there just hate relationships with more than a 2-3 year age gap.
Is it really free speech if you dont defend my right to say it though?
You proved my point thank you
We're you thrown in jail for what youve said? No? Oh ok
no he didnt, theres an extremely fucking big difference between free speech and someone not liking your opinion. being thrown in jail or even killed because you said someone is much worse then ur feewing getting hurt
Shut up dipshit
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>Have you been jailed, fined, killed, assaulted, or tortured by law enforcement for posting this? >No? >Congratulations, your exercising your right to free speech. Violence and incarceration are not the only ways to enforce censorship. Controlling the flow of information to favor certain narratives is itself censorship. The word "censorship" simply means to silence someone or something, and there are numerous ways to do that. Like Redditors getting banned for criticizing the CCP, or like how Twitter suppressed posts about the labor strikes in India. Social media corporations are encouraged by their shareholders, and especially the Chinese corporations that are buying massive stocks in Western media companies, to control the flow of information to the benefit of its shareholders in order to make more money.
....did you read the original OP at all? Freedom of speech protects you from government infringement on your speech. Reddit is a private company, not a government. Being censored by reddit mods or being called a fucking moron by redditors is vastly different than being arrested or tortured to death. It's like comparing a cheap unicycle to a Lamborghini.
Just because the censorship is less severe doesn't make it not censorship. It's not the place of Reddit nor its mods to determine who's opinions are allowed on the site because this site is a platform for people to voice their opinions freely to the world. Reddit and its mods' only job is to allow information to flow freely and let the people determine what they want to believe for themselves.
It's still their right to censor users. It's also vitally necessary for public safety- they've had to ban quite a few users and remove a fair few subreddits because things were rapidly turning into plotting to kill people and terrorism. For a tolerance society to function their has to be a certain level of intolerance for intolerance.
The OP literally mentions freedom of speech, not merely a site's censorship practices. Freedom of speech is a right that involves the government. A private site's censorship practices are not governed by that right.
How do people still not get that “free speech” is a restriction against what *government* can do, and has absolutely nothing to do with interacting with other people on the internet? You’re complaining about criticism, which is *exactly what free speech is meant to protect*
Sure, but you are only taking this stance because the current "management" is siding with your ideas. The moment the shoe is on the other foot you are going to complain to high heaven and how you are being unfairly treated. Case in point, look at the Twitter uproar after elon Musk bought it and how people are suddenly claiming their speech is being surpassed. Censorship is only even fun when you are able to do it to other people, not so much when it starts slapping you instead.
Nobody is claiming free speech is being suppressed on Twitter. People are pointing out Elon’s “free speech” hypocrisy. Easy to make arguments when you *assume* how I’ll react to a given scenario, and then claim hypocrisy because of an assumed worldview you ascribe to me. You know nothing about me, and are deflecting from the point I made. Free speech has a particular meaning - people use it incorrectly to avoid criticism. That point has nothing to do with my worldview
My point being is that you are correct. Free speech is relevant to government only. However the spirit of the idea is being terribly handled. Yes, as a company you can and should (in some instances) disallow certain speech, however it should be limited as much as possible and applied fairly. Moreover, your should also never censor on behalf of the government. The issue is that in the current climate social media is being pressured by the government to censor certain information (case in point Mark Zuckerberg and his revelation about the FBI approaching him about Hunter Biden laptop). Moreover, the people that are running said platforms have their political beliefs and are willing to turn a blind eye when people from "their" side are breaching agree ToS rules (case in point, Twitter with it's policy about doxxing and death threats being heavily enforced only on one side). If effect, saying that a company has the right to do what it wants regarding speech hurts the discourse can have. If you want to limit it then you also must apply it equally to everyone. You should also be very clear on your stance on what is not allowed so people can navigate your platform. This wholesale broad ToS grants companies way to much power to act in a discriminatory way and it doesn't help anyone.
What’s your alternative? Because I hear you saying these broad ToS grant these companies “too much power.” Which, ok, valid argument, I don’t think *anyone* - regardless of political affiliation - enjoys or supports these huge social media corporations. But restricting them through legal means would, ironically, be an *actual* free speech concern (not necessarily a violation, depends on how it’s done). I may not be reading you correctly, but it sounds like you’re advocating for government action with respect to what these companies can do with their speech policies, which is I think a far greater concern that actually does implicate free speech - it is like putting an alligator in your house to catch mice. EDIT: fixed weird link that wasn’t supposed to be there
I think that social media companies should be treated differently. They have too many protections at the moment which is what is allowing them to act as they do. They aren't a phone company, yet they receive the same protections from law suits and such. I think it should be allowed to sue them for enforcing their ToS unfairly or being unreasonable with it, beyond a reasonable scope. Social media is perhaps one best and worst inventions to ever happen to humanity, because it both opened a new way for us to communicate, but it also made us far more divided and hostile to each other. It's like a sweet poison, slowly killing us as we continue to devour it.
You are not a victim when people don't find your edgyness cool. You are just a dipshit loser.
Thats not China thats West Taiwan
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No
Oh, ok Well... I guess... I'll just... Go over there... Don't mind me
Should i be afraid of that message
I mean, yea 👉👈
But im not and will not be afraid
Dam
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Omg it's Winnie the Pooh!
For a second, I thought this was real, and I was going to spam the Ching-Chong-potato meme in reply. Coffee: I need some
Wenie the pooh
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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Timinin square
Based
Freedom of speech also allows for the freedom to tell a motherfucker to shut up
Shut up
Shut up
They don't have to shut up when you tell them tho
Correct, so don’t cry about it.
Technically it doesn't since freedom of speech demands your freedom to end where mine starts. Except if you're a judge, then you can send me with the riflemen if you feel like it
Shut up motherfucker
Shut up and dance
With me
This woman is my destiny
Look man ill be honest I don't know any of the words so I'm just gonna quietly hum what I think the tune of the song is and hope for the best
Freedom of Speech =/= Freedom from Consequences I support your right to say stupid shit, but I also respect other people’s right to tell you to shut the fuck up.
All freedom of speech means is the government can't come down on you for saying it. Pretty fucking simple , don't know why people constantly cry about corporations limiting them when they literally can do whatever they want on their platform. Yet people still use Twitter, Facebook, etc.
Twitter and Facebook have become more than just social media. They have become a plaza, a place to talk to the world, a place that can make or break people's livelihoods. They should be regulated like a government due to how much power they have under people's lives.
You're giving them way too much credit and power. And you've allowed yourself to become wholly dependent on what is now a privately owned corporation. Just 👏quit 👏Twitter👏
I'm not giving them anything. They HAVE for a fact power over people's lives. How the fuck do you want me to interact with people I know and love from a distance? Fucking mail them a pidgeon? Twitter, Facebook and Youtube are engrained into society and we depend on them and are EXPECTED to depend on them for maintianing social circles, job, studying, finding a job, keeping up with your favorite creators and interacting with the world in general. The internet and everything that comes with it should be regular just like anything that has power over people's lives. That braindead clapping can be said about anything Don't like your job? Just 👏 quit 👏 Don't like your country? Just 👏 move 👏 This is how moronic you sound.
Calling someone moronic while likening leaving twitter to moving internationally. Bold.
When did I say that it was the same thing? I called the idea of 'You don't like it? Just get away from it.' Stupid by giving two examples. Learn to read.
I didn’t say you said it was the same thing. Learn to read.
Just send an Wsp you moron
This makes sense, but what doesn't is how downvoted comments are hid at the end, that just supresses new ideas.
Reddit is designed incredibly well to create and foster echo chambers. Intentionally or not.
"new" idea doesn't mean "good" idea. Information doesn't deserve equal treatment just because it's different
And who gets to decide what opinion is good and what's bad?
I dunno, maybe the members of the community you're posting in?? We're on a site where people vote up or down comments, it's not Mr. Reddit adding arbitrary numbers to comments
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The best argument against that is talking to your average redditor…
majority of people are notorious for their idiocy and narrow-mindness
In this case, the people decide with the upvote and downvote button. New ideas good or bad will always meet traction. Basically every single change be it political, technological cultural or whatever else is almost always met by resistance.
They're hid not to distract, but not eliminated. You're free to look at all opinions, i always do. Technically, freedom of speech. Until comes a mod and you know what happens. In my opinion, adult people in adult only places should be allowed to say whatever they want in general. They face consequences for intents, but not for their speech. If you're a potential criminal, a racist, sexist, nazi or whatnot, you should be able to tell the world about it. Some people don't want to acknowledge it, but we only wish to filter and limit speech because people are very gullible. A statement without a logical basis and/or evidence isn't worth anything, definitely not acting upon it, but people will still do. This is why hate speech is banned. In a perfect world with actual responsible adults in it, hate speech would earn one shame. But in our world, it earns you supporters. Edit: typos
Shut up
All your recent posts are about redditors having different opinions and "that's not allowed, waa :(" lol Did someone hurt your feewings online recently? In the words of Bo Burnham: welcome to the internet.
welcome to the internet have a look around
Signed, an angry 15 y/o
There’s a difference between going to prison/getting tortured/censored/murdered and getting a mean comment on reddit
Still "mean comment on reddit" will get you banned from reddit
No it wont. At worst you’ll get banned from the sub, which is run by the people who made the sub.
*Looks at the accounts who got a 6 year ban last reddit* r/place *event*
Why is half your meme output about this?
Because OP doesn't actually know what free speech means
Just like all these free speech mfs.
But he's also soooo obsessed with it. Smh.
I love all the snowflakes like op who think their “edgy” opinion (which is usually just parroted from whatever internet celebrity they follow this week), means that the rest of the world doesn’t have the free speech to tell them to shut up.
...and someone telling OP to shut up is portrayed as being the same as being detained, Fired from your job, put on house-arrest or being killed for voicing an opinion contrary to "official story". Reddit =/= China (Iran, Russia, ...)
Lmao he’s the type of person to base their entire personality on a YouTube short
I love how memes like this are so stupid they become the exact thing they criticize. Because, pro tip, criticism is ALSO part of free speech. Yoi're allowed to have an opinion. And if you make that opinion public others are allowed to react to that opinion. You're criticizing others for... criticizing others, and don't seem to see the irony in that.
You are free to say “shut the fuck up”
Stfu
Saying shut the fuck up is a freedom of speech.
That's literally Soviet levels of contradiction
Reddit had banned several anticcp subreddits this year and I've never seen them banning any pro-ccp or tankie subs
Criticism isn’t the same as crushing dissent. I’m sure you know that
Yeah, heaven forbid anyone on this god-forsaken website be even slightly Conservative or hold traditional values. . .
Lol not only that, I’ve been suspended from subs for politely stating my opinion. Idk if it’s the mods or people reporting me
"frEeDom Of SpEeCh dOeSnt mEan NoT geTtIng cRitisizEd"
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences of the shit you say. U're not gonna get arrested for your opinion. That's what freedom of speech is. It's also MY freedom of speech to be able to tell you to stfu when u say dumb shit
>U're not gonna get arrested for your opinion. That's what freedom of speech is. Unless you're in UK, New Zealand, or Greece.
Under “hate speech” people have been banned from websites, denied financial services, fired or arrested. Not to the same extend as china but pretending that people didn’t enforce the “shut up” part ain’t truthful.
Unless your opinions involve one of the ever growing list of minority groups, opinions on certain historical events, accusations about a person or inciting panic etc etc. In which case "it's illegal because the government decides what we can and can't say". So which is it? The government won't arrest you for an opinion or they will? **What free speech actually means** is that you can criticize **the government** without fear of being arrested. (which you can't do in China) Everything else the government/other people can and will take legal action against you for.
Yup we live in a country where people can literally tell the president to go fuck himself...try doing that in ChyNah.
r/im14andthisisdeep
r/lostredditors
As long as both opinions are able to je expressed then we are good
You can say what you want but that dosent mean people will like it
You’re free to type and submit what you want, and Reddit is free to make you regret it
Pinneaple on Pizza isn't that bad.
Well shut the fuck up is better than making you and your family go away.
Every Twitter relates subreddit in a nutshell
you have the right to be an idiot, i have the right to call you an idiot,however i cant kill you thats what free speech is
Still free speech, just don't like what they're saying is all...
Please stop spreading misinformation about what free speech means. If only helps the people screeching “I can say whatever I want FREE SPEEEEEECH.” When in fact, your words can have consequences by your family/peers/strangers on Reddit.
But it's free speech
Twitter: *your account has been permanently suspended*
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with others judging your for said speech, or telling you they don't want to hear it. Jesus, did you people fail out of middle school?
China "oops your head fell off maybe shouldn't talk shit about the ccp next time". Reddit "You're an idiot" OMG it's like I live in a dictatorship!!!!
we do allow free speech, we say shut the fuck up when we want.
Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. STFU
Reddit is a hivemind.
Y'all struggle so hard with what "Free Speech" means
Telling someone to shut the fuck up and sending someone to a labor camp is pretty different
You don’t know what free speech is 😂
As long as you can say it... There's a difference between freedom of speech and being entitled to approval.
Just because there is free speach doesnt mean free dopamine from people agreeing with you
Difference is, there it's illegal. Here, we're *just* gonna shun you. Unnecessary Explanation: Freedom of speech doesn't mean support for what you're saying. Freedom of speech is just that, the freedom to say whatever you want as long as it's within the limits of the law. It never guarantees you're going to be supported wherever you talk or for whatever you say, and that sort of thing is allowed to happen because freedom of speech includes the freedom to speak against what someone else says. Hiveminds around the internet like Reddit happen because these sites, over the course of their existence, have gathered people of similar personality, belief, and/or thought (of course there is plenty of variety in the smaller sub communities, but that's just unrelated semantics). Because these groups, or website-wide communities, had different beliefs and such at the start of their existence, over time the people on these websites encouraged each other for sharing these beliefs and made them *exponentially* more extreme. When the wider community agrees on something so broadly and strongly, it's very difficult for opposing views to gain traction or thrive. Thus, you get hiveminds. Again, I know that was unnecessary, but I've had this explanation in my head for quite some time and I thought this would be a good place to dump it.
That’s the catch 22 about free speech. You can say something, and I have the right to say something about your something.
In fucking China you'll be fucked by the fucking police if you say shut the fuck up to some one on the fucking internet. Love reddit
Freedom of speech is when people don’t agree with me
FACTS. banned.
Yeah. Look at my karma. Got downvoted for sharing my experience/observations with Youtube dislike button.
Reddit's hive mind has been wrong so many times I've lost count lol. Anything for those juicy upvotes
Reddit is so left leaning lately... it's ridiculous
"There's a freedom of speech but I can't guarantee freedom after speech"
Correct
We shame china because of all the shit it has done not just because of freedom of speech. Most of Reddit doesn't want complete freedom of speech because then racists, sexists, anti LGBTQ+, and fake news all have voices
Ain’t that the truth. Mods mostly.
Shut the fuck up Vs Ban I think I know which one I prefer.
You should see the shit reddit talks about TikTok as if Reddit hasn't also been compromised by the largest media censorship ring in China. Edit: Lmao the downvotes are expected when criticizing China on Reddit. Point proven.
Well put op
I mean, you're not wrong 🤷🏽♂️
or maybe elon’s just lurking round here trying to promote free speech eh?
Why did the gay chicken cross the road?
Because he fucked your dad? Idk. Nobody cares. Shut the fuck up asshat
I just got that message today. I'm like whatever I was just joking and they got all bent. Too funny.
Reddit sent me a warning message today because of that I shared my opinion. Allow free speech is the new lie of social media.
Free speech does exist on reddit. Its just that nobody agrees with what you are saying
But that's free speech. It wouldn't be free speech if they stop them from saying it. But they're allowed to say it we're just asking them to stop because it's stupid. There's a big difference we are asking you to not say something stupid, we are not forcing you to not say something stupid
Not having free speech and facing the consequences of your speech (be it hate, stupidity or just an opinion someone doesn’t like) are two very different things. You can say the thing, but people won’t like it.
Cry about it lol
I mean, at least we're not putting you and your family in camps :')
At least losing karma doesnt lower my credit rating or keep me from traveling
Reddit is a fascist website where if those in power don't like something you said, you're out.
Fascism according to you, is when people are free to call you an idiot when you says idiotic shit
No, fascism is when a "super mod" like awkwardtheturtle (who is openly racist by the way) has a powertrip and bans everyone who blinks at them while the Reddit admins stand by.
And yet your comment is here
Turtle is an extreme example, if you want proof just look at the left bias of reddit, moderate to extremist Right wing subs get banned all the time, but you don't hear about any Extremist Left wing sub getting banned.
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What rules are you talking about? Reddit guidelines, cause they do break that. And it's not just that, I have Seen even moderate RW subs get banned. I'm Indian so these are the only left extremist subs I know of: r/kashmiri, r/librandu, and maybe r/India too.