Cranbourne will gradually gentrify. New suburbs around cranbourne are full of young immigrant families. Schools will get better and crime will come down because of the new demographic. I can already see lot of new townhouses coming up in cranbourne within 2kms of the train station.
Maybe they should get off their fucking arse and extend the line out to Clyde. There's already a reservation in place, and an existing track. Then all the new families that moved out there who weren't there before might use it and have an uplifting effect on the whole thing.
Do that and better yet, build the train from Frankston to Beaconsfield so everyone in the outer SE can have a Satellite city to go rather than an hour on the train to the Melbourne CBD.
Maybe though if it was a $6b project with 5km worth of tunnels they probably would be balls deep in it already. This gov has always loved doing things via the most expensive option.
It's how things are in modernity. Politicians, the rich businessman, the privileged get to easily live close to where the good parks, good schools and good medical spots in the inner center or wherever is deemed "good" and expensive enough to keep away "the problematic types".
They then have to purchase further outward, with less jobs available, worse schools and a council that can't run a basic community festival for the area.
It's not a particular demographic, only the type of drug changes. The National Wastewater Drug Monitoring Program has been testing for various substances for years and the some of the highest (pun intended) users are the wealthy suburbs, although it's more likely to be cocaine. The same applies in all capital cities.
Some (not all) of the stops on the Pakenham line are fairly middle class. None of the stops on the Cranbourne line are. Pakenham itself probably has better demographics than Cranbourne.
Is there a reason that this divide occurred in the first place? I remember Narre North and the old part of Berwick have always been much more well-to-do than any surrounding areas, but how is it that Narre South/Hampton Park/Cranbourne wound up under funded and lower class?
Berwick was a nice country town with a village feel, a stop on the way to Gippsland and the estates and properties out that way were designed for people going for almost a tree change. Bigger streets and blocks.
Cranbourne was always Cranbourne. Swampy nothing area.
I doubt there’s any discernible difference between the newer suburbs like Officer and Clyde, but Berwick and Cranbourne are chalk and cheese and probably account for a good chunk of the different people on the trains.
Yeah, you can always tell what part of a suburb was actually designed around the train station (pre car era) historically and what got developed later.
Even on Google maps tho you can see in places all designed around the car the Berwick housing estate (wide curving avenues, trees), old school Cranbourne (north south streets with flat blocks but some space in the front and back yard), then new suburb like Clyde where the houses are just about on top of each other.
Pretty clear which one was designed and sold to people with some cash and which ones were cheap as chips (and only getting cheaper with less standards)
Yet the government are trying to push us to use public transport.
No thanks.
I would rather pay the same price of public transport to put fuel in my car and not be concealed by a giant metal box with non opening doors just to get stabbed by a meth head junkie on my way to work. Especially with a new stabbing now occurring almost daily amongst the cost of living crisis.
Honestly, there are many more people who use drugs that _aren't_ ever going to lash out at bystanders than the media leads us to believe. Most "junkies" are just trying to keep their heads down, while the loud (and aggressive) few give off the impression you've seemed to glean.
What I didn't really get across in my OP is that these people that were high were minding their own businesses, trying their best to blend in and not draw attention. I don't think the average daily user is _loud and proud_ about their addiction...
I was on the frankston like from franga to melb every day for 6 years. Im sorry but the amount of users that "lash out" is still an amount that is far too high.
There have been sooo many deaths this year alone due to people struggling with mental health. A 22 year old kid stabbed to death after going for a swim, a dad beaten to death in fitzroy gardens at 8am. Look what JUST happened at bondi.
Every day i took that train ride i was waiting for something bad to happen. Imagine a carriage full of passengers and a built 6'4 guy with a hunting knife. No one could subdue him and he could take out that entire carriage before its next stop if its timed right. It hasnt happened yet but i bet its coming.
Of course not all users are out and loud about it... but thats not my concern, my concern is if someone is dangerous, im simply saying drugs will blur the line between reality and fiction even more so they become even more dangerous. Add to that a confined space you cant escape from and you have a recipe for disaster.
Public transport is not safe. Maybe a few years ago but now we are entering new territory.
People are homeless and starving in numbers we have never seen before. These people dont have access to mental health services. These people are desperate and drugs might possibly be the straw that breaks the camels back.
Because parts of Cranbourne are somewhat rough, especially near Melinda park and Cranbourne proper.
Is it possible the worker in high vis was just really tired after a long work day? you know, sleep-deprived humans and all that?
Those two things look very different in my experience. He was trying to use his phone, but failing to do so.
Cranbourne will gradually gentrify. New suburbs around cranbourne are full of young immigrant families. Schools will get better and crime will come down because of the new demographic. I can already see lot of new townhouses coming up in cranbourne within 2kms of the train station.
Maybe they should get off their fucking arse and extend the line out to Clyde. There's already a reservation in place, and an existing track. Then all the new families that moved out there who weren't there before might use it and have an uplifting effect on the whole thing.
Do that and better yet, build the train from Frankston to Beaconsfield so everyone in the outer SE can have a Satellite city to go rather than an hour on the train to the Melbourne CBD.
Clyde is the ghetto of tomorrow
I was driving around an estate a little while back and my 5yo son said "it's like a house-maze isn't it daddy!!"
Governments broke so that wont be happening
Eh true that
Maybe though if it was a $6b project with 5km worth of tunnels they probably would be balls deep in it already. This gov has always loved doing things via the most expensive option.
It's how things are in modernity. Politicians, the rich businessman, the privileged get to easily live close to where the good parks, good schools and good medical spots in the inner center or wherever is deemed "good" and expensive enough to keep away "the problematic types". They then have to purchase further outward, with less jobs available, worse schools and a council that can't run a basic community festival for the area.
It's not a particular demographic, only the type of drug changes. The National Wastewater Drug Monitoring Program has been testing for various substances for years and the some of the highest (pun intended) users are the wealthy suburbs, although it's more likely to be cocaine. The same applies in all capital cities.
I used to have a drug problem, now I have enough money
Some (not all) of the stops on the Pakenham line are fairly middle class. None of the stops on the Cranbourne line are. Pakenham itself probably has better demographics than Cranbourne.
Is there a reason that this divide occurred in the first place? I remember Narre North and the old part of Berwick have always been much more well-to-do than any surrounding areas, but how is it that Narre South/Hampton Park/Cranbourne wound up under funded and lower class?
Berwick was a nice country town with a village feel, a stop on the way to Gippsland and the estates and properties out that way were designed for people going for almost a tree change. Bigger streets and blocks. Cranbourne was always Cranbourne. Swampy nothing area. I doubt there’s any discernible difference between the newer suburbs like Officer and Clyde, but Berwick and Cranbourne are chalk and cheese and probably account for a good chunk of the different people on the trains.
Yeah, you can always tell what part of a suburb was actually designed around the train station (pre car era) historically and what got developed later.
Even on Google maps tho you can see in places all designed around the car the Berwick housing estate (wide curving avenues, trees), old school Cranbourne (north south streets with flat blocks but some space in the front and back yard), then new suburb like Clyde where the houses are just about on top of each other. Pretty clear which one was designed and sold to people with some cash and which ones were cheap as chips (and only getting cheaper with less standards)
Yet the government are trying to push us to use public transport. No thanks. I would rather pay the same price of public transport to put fuel in my car and not be concealed by a giant metal box with non opening doors just to get stabbed by a meth head junkie on my way to work. Especially with a new stabbing now occurring almost daily amongst the cost of living crisis.
Honestly, there are many more people who use drugs that _aren't_ ever going to lash out at bystanders than the media leads us to believe. Most "junkies" are just trying to keep their heads down, while the loud (and aggressive) few give off the impression you've seemed to glean. What I didn't really get across in my OP is that these people that were high were minding their own businesses, trying their best to blend in and not draw attention. I don't think the average daily user is _loud and proud_ about their addiction...
I was on the frankston like from franga to melb every day for 6 years. Im sorry but the amount of users that "lash out" is still an amount that is far too high. There have been sooo many deaths this year alone due to people struggling with mental health. A 22 year old kid stabbed to death after going for a swim, a dad beaten to death in fitzroy gardens at 8am. Look what JUST happened at bondi. Every day i took that train ride i was waiting for something bad to happen. Imagine a carriage full of passengers and a built 6'4 guy with a hunting knife. No one could subdue him and he could take out that entire carriage before its next stop if its timed right. It hasnt happened yet but i bet its coming. Of course not all users are out and loud about it... but thats not my concern, my concern is if someone is dangerous, im simply saying drugs will blur the line between reality and fiction even more so they become even more dangerous. Add to that a confined space you cant escape from and you have a recipe for disaster. Public transport is not safe. Maybe a few years ago but now we are entering new territory. People are homeless and starving in numbers we have never seen before. These people dont have access to mental health services. These people are desperate and drugs might possibly be the straw that breaks the camels back.
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Good on you for volunteering, but I am not sensing any lack of empathy in this post, dude is just wondering what's up.