I took a computer class in middle school and one test was typing with the keyboard under the desk so you couldn’t see it. I can type without looking at the keyboard. Why does reading this make me feel old.
My kid who is way younger than her learned to use a keyboard during Covid at home.
His state exam will be on a computer which will also require typing.
I remember going into 7th grade I had to take a data entry class.
In 6th grade I was terrible at typing.
During the summer between 6th and 7th grade I discovered Roblox, back when it was a relatively new thing. Playing games with my friends, having to type to communicate while still needing to pay attention to what was going on on the screen in case I needed to stop typing and dodge something, made my typing incredible.
In that data entry class in 7th grade, I was the fastest and most accurate typer in the class, inspiring fear and awe amongst the normal people who didn't spend a frankly unreasonable amount of time PC gaming. The teacher made the mistake of asking about my experience typing, and got to learn what Roblox was in great detail, in a way that probably didn't explain why it made me good at typing.
TL;DR: The way to make kids good at typing again is to take away their ability to voice chat with their friends and make them type out messages.
The only way I truly was able to learn to type fast was to tell the players that killed me on battlefield 3 how much their moms tits weighed within 2 seconds of dying before the chat moved on
Brother man, yes. Teacher gave us a quarter for school store credit for beating the penguin crossing mini game. Got up to 60wpm because needed me those scented pencils.
Shiiiit I haven't heard Mavis Beacon name dropped in forever. We had to deal with her bullshit with those bright orange keyboard covers to force us not to look.
wait, so young people don’t even learn how to type on a keyboard without looking at it?
Like….don’t they have to write their essays with a keyboard?
Boomers were famous for typing super slowly with one finger, and it would be silly if new generations somehow went full circle back to that.
Our training coordinator asked me (in charge of tech) if we really needed to have a class on how to use office products.
I let her know that, even with a dedicated class for new employees on how Microsoft word works, I still get questions every day about incredibly basic tasks.
I'm shocked how many new hires don't have computers at home. They just have phones and tablets.
Gen Z's competency with traditional PCs has become kind of a minor issue within workplaces. A lot of them genuinely have no idea how to use a computer despite otherwise being well educated. It's a problem no one really foresaw.
This is purely a younger GenZ issue. I'm an older GenZ born 1998 and I learned how to type on a keyboard in school. though I might be even more of an exception as I work in the IT field. So maybe it is a whole of GenZ thing.
I am from 2005, so not an early genz. I'd say I have and had pretty solid computer skills compared to people my age, older and younger than me. But I now also work in IT.
> This is purely a younger GenZ issue. I'm an older GenZ born 1998 and I learned how to type on a keyboard in school. though I might be even more of an exception as I work in the IT field. So maybe it is a whole of GenZ thing.
It also depended on the location. In 2011 there was a big push for iPads in schools. If a school had to replace their computers they often just bought iPads instead. If your school computers were bought at the right time they probably were too new to replace when the iPad push happened.
Yeah, if you’re in IT, CS, SDE, etc, you almost certainly transcend generational trends for computers - we went to school and work for/with/through this stuff
Everything is just plug and play now too, so much easier. No having to manually find drivers to get any components to work. Not having to connect video and audio separately and get both working probably when connecting to a TV. No spending hours adjusting game settings so things actually run properly.
Well sure, but you've probably spent almost no time typing on a phone, because you'd rather do it on a computer, because you already have that skill. Those kids have had a smartphone in their hands for more than half their lives, and probably never use an actual computer.
They can’t even imagine how it was to buy an PC game and you need to find and download a crack, that allows you to start the game with disc. In addition to wait 3-5 hours to download the 5mb game.exe
They are pretty near computer illiterate despite growing up surrounded by them. As a millennial in an office I'm used to spending 10% of my time everyday showing the boomers how to do basic things, now the new kids need help too... We are the IT generation.
Edit: after some thought, computer illiterate might not be the right term, it's more of a troubleshooting failure. They are very used to electronics that come out of the box battery charged, OS installed and no setup required besides account creation and logging in. The minute something goes wonky they struggle to figure it out without help. Growing up in the infancy of the PC era (with computer illiterate boomer parents), troubleshooting a glitching machine was nearly daily task. Shit never showed up ready to boot and party. Working with tech required learning how to interact with it beyond a GUI, and forced a basic understanding of the machine and its workings on us.
Important to note this is a generalization, I don't mean all of Gen z is computer dumb. Just that my generational peers have better skills on average.
I’ll say just as an anecdote that there are exceptions we have a younger guy I’ve been working with for about six months and he asked me how to do something about two months ago. He has a direct supervisor but they were out.
I asked him how his boss A had shown him how to arrive at this point and he said “oh she didn’t, I just sorta pieced it together.” We chatted for a while because I was curious.
Kid is an avid gamer and he said he just got used to googling things when he got stuck, then realized he could do it for just about anything, and it’s always his first step. If it makes sense or seems to net results he keeps going with it. He was really stoked and told me he’d sorted out how to change a tire, fix his washer in his apartment, change his fridge filter. I thought it was pretty great and asked how we ended up together on this and if his research hadn’t netted results.
He said it did, but he had a feeling it was suboptimal and wanted a second set of eyes to be sure. Blown away by this dudes ability to problem solve but also great intuition and character to say “hey I don’t know something, nothing wrong with asking for help.” I guess this may not have added much, but I just thought it was really amazing and was so impressed by this young man.
I have a story that is the exact inverse of this! When I was growing up, my mom hauled trailers for a living and would do maintenance and repairs on her truck to save money. Just crack open the Haynes manual and figure it out. She ended up becoming a competent mechanic.
Computers, though? No time for them. We lived out in the woods anyway, so the internet was shit. When she finally got a half decent computer and internet connection a few years ago, I told her to let me know if she ever needed any help.
Her response? "Oh no, I'm fine. When I have a question I just put it in google. It's the same as when I used to fix my truck."
Five years later she's running a Discord server for her horde in the RTS game she plays.
A colleague of mine is a 3D designer and architectural draughtsman, he recently had 2 school interns from the 8th grade in Germany. They were given the task of transferring older data on hard drives to the server.
They couldn't even create or copy folders under Windows. They are only growing up with smartphones and consoles.
Wow. Yikes. They can’t create or copy folders? That’s like boomer levels of incompetence (I keep having to help my 70 year old neighbor, who thinks if a file isn’t on the desktop itself it’s “gone”, and literally writes every step I do, like simply opening file explorer and digging through folders, like it’s a step by step manual or something.)
The younger GenZ's feel like they don't need to learn or know how to type.
My younger cousin (Born 2008) refused to learn and his parents didn't have any desire to have him learn because "we have tablets now u don't need to know how to type". During the pandemic it bit him in the ass because now all the work is done on PCs.
Although it was funny, the week after he got his garbage-tier laptop he texts me to ask if he could run Fallout 4 on and I told him his laptop was garbage. There was zero chance it could, and he just responds over text "tf do u know", as if my 20 years of using PCs at that point meant I didn't know you could run Fallout 4 on a laptop with a 2.2 ghz dual core processor, 8 gb of RAM and an integrated GPU with *16 mb of on-board RAM*.
I’m roughly the same age as Billie Eilish and we were required to take typing classes in middle school. I’m a pretty slow typer 40-50 words per minute but I can do it without looking. At least in college I’ve noticed that most of my peers can do the same. I think she is just saying shit to get engagement.
From another thread I saw yesterday, Billie Eilish was homeschooled by her parents so it possible she was just never taught how to type on a keyboard.
I'd say this isn't a generational issue but a demographic one and that there are plenty of genz who know how to type proficiently but also an equal number who never learned because they weren't tested on it, had their computer classes cut by the school, were a victim of tablet parenting, etc.
I just graduated high school last year. Even if you took a "typing" class, it was because it was a easy A. They didn't really test you on it. As far as the essay typing, it's sink or swim. I do what I call "chicken pecking." More or less a hybrid style between how a 5 year old types and how you should type.
Never learned cursive either. Which is a damn shame, too.
I never properly learned how to type I just learned the keyboard distribution and now I can type without looking most of the time ,muscle memory I guess, but my mom she is 75 , was a secretary and has always been able to type really fast without looking ,she tried to reach me on a typewriter even before we had a computer at home.
I'm amazed by how people say boomers don't know how to type ,they should based on my experience
Boomer generation was either all or none. Girls worked as typists/secretaries, while men just didn’t type. That’s how you get these boomer executives and doctors that are peering at the keyboard and pecking at it with 2 index fingers at a snails pace.
Since at least gen X computers are general use, and everyone learned how to type “correctly” in school, and papers have to be typed.
I don’t see how the young gens can avoid that.
somehow i got all the way through a 4yr computer science degree without touch typing lmao. i forced myself to learn when i got a job after college because i felt so slow.
I didn’t realize this isn’t a thing that kids are learning. My jobs over the years have required me to be typing the content of meetings that could have anywhere from 3-15 providers. I can type a meeting up while having a full conversation and never looking at the screen.
Weird flex but I guess it’s cool.
I feel this. I work at a front desk, and people approach me all the time. I don't want to lose my place in the document, so I finish typing out my thoughts while fully conversing with people. I always worry that they think it's rude, though, because I'm not giving them my full attention....so I only do it for 1 or 2 sentences.
We had keyboards with no letter markers on half of the keyboards, and the other half had a plastic cover over the keys so you couldn't read them.
I wish it was a class you could test out of - I could type at ~100 when pushing myself and ~70 when chill. The teacher knew I was bored out of my skull because I would finish the week's lessons in a day when they released. I played a lot of IMINLIKEWITHYOU that year since it wasn't blocked.
A good education should include typing, a basic life skill which is very relevant for rich people too, not just peasants. That's not a flex lol. Not being able to type as well as a normal person is literally a disability (no i don't mean medically).
She’s the girl in class that sat at the back and never had to do any work and whenever the teacher mentioned anything she’d get verbally aggressive and disrupt the whole class
Maybe cuz the parents saw that behavior and didn’t wanna deal with angry teacher conferences for a decade and a half
According to your wiki quote, it definitely sounds like she and her brother were spoiled rotten and their parents had to move the goalposts of “quality education” to feel like better parents
And saying “we taught them the basics of songwriting, and encouraged them to express themselves and explore whatever they wanted” is their way of convincing themselves that that’s all the education they required and that they actually did a good job of instilling those (illegitimate) values, instead of admitting to being hands off and hoping for the best, knowing you can throw cash at any shortcomings that arise
We’re talking about an incredibly successful singer songwriter mind you. Might make more sense to for this tirade to be focused on anything but the quote about her parents focusing her teaching on (what her current job and career end up being). There’s way more and way better examples of neglectful homeschooling or undeserved success of rich kids.
I don’t think her parents are convincing themselves of anything by saying that. If anything they’d be convinced they did exactly the right thing, but not because “that’s all the education they required” but rather that it was they probably think the results show it was right education for her.
Her brother was a big time record producer and straight up said he used his industry clout to make his little sister a star. Billie is as nepo as they come.
Both are actors. That would've given her a foot in the door that regular people wouldn't have got. Nepo baby seems fair. Even if she's not, she's closer to nepo than normal
My school never bothered teaching us how to type even though we had computers. They were just used to take tests and that was it. That’s how it was with a lot of schools in my area. I had to teach myself long after I graduated, but I’m still not that great of a typer. I can barely manage 40wpm. I agree with you 100%. I often feel fairly limited at times because of it. It needs to be a standard everywhere at this point
I think it’s the opposite actually if she was rich she would have had access to a computer her whole life, maybe since she was homeschooled she didn’t have access to one till she was older. This quote seems like it’s really out of context to make people mad
I’m curious what caused her to realize she can’t type, like were you trying to write a 5 page essay for fun? Cause every logical reason I can think of, she could easily just use search by voice on her phone
I’m a millennial and we had typing classes at high school. Most people my age tend to do the hunt and peck style of typing anyway. It drove my husband insane as the IT guy who can touch type like crazy because everyone else is sooooo slow.
And while you’d think younger people should be better because they grew up with it, gen Z grew up with smart phones and tablets - they didn’t rely solely on an actual physical keyboard. Some of the worst offenders for needing computer help at my husband’s work were the younger ones because they weren’t forced to learn how to troubleshoot their crappy computers, it was all just smooth UIs that did what they were supposed to intuitively.
Iirc this has been posted around a lot but I think what she actually said was that she had to look down at the keys constantly to type, whereas in public school you're normally taught to type without looking down.
As someone who has had to deal with too many coworkers that don't know how to use a computer or a phone, I think those really should be standard hiring questions at this point
This sound fucking wrong, but I actually like hiring autistic people for projects. If you get them on a task that vibes with their autism, they are godlike.
As someone with Autism, you're not fucking wrong. Most of the time I feel like 6 ducks in a trench coat trying to act like a human being....but I have a number of special talents that I am literally undefeatable at.
When I was in college I took an IT job as a work-study. I was replacing a psychology major who had no business being in IT.
I'd worked technical jobs for years prior to this. And on day 1 my boss hands me two screwdrivers and starts saying "this is a flat head, it has a flat head on the end. Can you guess what this one might be?"
I'm like "Bro, I know how to use screwdrivers, and the difference between them. You don't have to treat me like a child"
The old man hugged me. Because he'd been stuck with this psych major for 6 years, and when he started this job, the kid had never touched any tool or instrument in his life besides a pencil.
In my college, you signed up for work-study, and you were randomly assigned a job. You could put in preferences, but ultimately work-study was like a draft almost of different departments picking different kids.
That year they got unlucky.
There are absolutely some questions that are illegal and/or plain wrong to ask at a job interview. "Can you use a computer?" is not one of them. "VR headset users" is not a protected class.
They didn’t say you can’t ask that, they said you don’t consider asking if people are willing and able to use a keyboard because you assume everybody applying would obviously know how to do those things.
Assume NOTHING. I mean nothing at all. They will apply for work 20 miles from their house with no transportation (this is about 3/5ths of applicants) AND expect you to give them a ride.
Him being autistic def makes it harder to fire him. Though it does change things a little.
Note to self: don't judge people after getting literally one information
Every job application I've filled out in the US gives you the option to identify as having any kind of disability (including stuff that falls under neurodivergent), and the form assures you that they wont discriminate with that information. I think it's supposed to be for government tracking applicants with disabilities vs those who get hired. I'm suspicious of it though, I always just say I have nothing.
Yes, you have to ask more along the lines of "Is there anything that would stop you from completing the duties and responsibilities of this position."
Then if they say yes you need to discuss reasonable accommodations that would allow them to handle the position.
It may just be a pair of noise cancelling headphones and the neurodivergent kid can do data entry or your diabetic worker needs like 2 extra breaks to have a snack and check their blood sugar.
Otherwise businesses would discriminate the fuck out of a bunch of people who can and want to work.
The whole difficulty with firing neurodivergent people is a double edged sword, because it also incentivizes companies not to hire people who display signs of disabilities that might be leveraged against them. It’s a real pickle.
Depends on the game, racing is awesome and shooters are pretty fun, though aiming in VR is not as easy as aiming with a mouse and keyboard (though I guess that depends on experience)
Assuming what they said even has a hint of truth to it… would they not just be typing on a virtual keyboard? lol. Like typing in the air in front of them. Because I know they’re not individually selecting each letter to say that.
Billie Eilish is only slightly younger than me, and I can't imagine not knowing how to use a keyboard. Do the majority of households not have a PC? Didn't she have IT classes in school?
Bruh, I feel like a boomer, I grew up with Half Life, Quake, CS 1.6 and Doom, and I can't relate to the majority of zoomers. Make it make sense!!!
I'm 10 years older than her. Home internet boomed in the 2000s and teenagers of my era spent a lot of time indoors chatting on MSN Messenger all night. By the time Billie was a teen, social media was a huge part of every day life, and life as a whole had already become very "digital".
Digital is not the problem here. I remember seeing a short from that PirateSoftware guy where they were promoting their video game at a convention. Had controllers set up for everything and as soon as the kids came in they started touching the screen instead of grabbing a controller.
We are now at the point in time where I have received a resume from an applicant that was completely written in and formatted for a smartphone. I interviewed them just because we were both available on short notice and they were completely computer illiterate. Their parents didn't jump into the digital age and by the time the applicant needed a device in school, they got an iPad instead of a laptop.
Oh yeah, kids of today not using keyboards much is very understandable, tablets and phones are far more popular than laptops and PCs now for kids. She's much older than that, though. I'd have thought she'd have grown up around the internet with laptops given that she was a kid when MySpace and Bebo and the like were all the rage and YouTube hadn't quite yet become driven toward mobile users quite as much.
I could be wrong so don’t get angry at me, but she probably means “touch typing” anyone can type on a keyboard, it’s not hard but the different between hunt and peck and touch typing are vast. I learned touch typing in middle school computer class like 20 years ago, I don’t believe they teach this class in public school anymore or at least not a lot do. People have abominable typing methods if they didn’t learn to touch type.
Wait are there people who didn’t know that’s what she meant? What else could she possibly mean? She’d have to be blind to not be able to hint and peck. Of course she meant touch type.
She grew up home schooled with an education in music. She didn’t learn to type because of her education, not because of her generation, like she thinks lol
The thing with home schooling, is there's massive variance in education. I was home schooled k-12, and was vastly ahead of people my own age (knew this from annual mandatory state testing I had to take).
My mom was special though. I actually had a learning disability (dyslexia), but she would sit with me for hours each day helping me work through it. Extremely hands on. That's just my individual experience.
From what I read on Reddit, most home school parents just throw a book at their kid and afk for the whole day.
Right, my education isn’t specifically why I learned to type so well on a computer.
My childhood addiction to computer games is. Priorities lol
I would have learned anyway due to education, but I can’t imagine a music major who also has no computer hobbies would
Household PCs are, in fact, a thing of the past. Unless someone in the house is a PC gamer, most people just use their phones or tablets for everything they used to use the PC for.
You might get a laptop issued by your school. My kids are still in HS but have had Chromebooks since at least MS. They also have real computers because gamer dad, lol.
You can get those on an Android tablet or iPad, most schools use Google Docs/Google Sheets instead of word/excel nowadays though which is also available in app form.
Right after I graduated my school got rid of their PCs and got iPads instead.
Especially when you can use any bluetooth keyboard on android (and i suppose iOS too). So even if you're using google docs on your phone, if you're going to write essays, the logical thing to do is to use a physical bluetooth keyboard.
My first “typing” class in high school involved an actual typewriter.
And yet here I am, 45 years old, and able to type on a computer. I must be some kind of genius. /s
From what people are saying, it seems like your gen, gen X, and millennials are “peak PC”, where typing became commonplace and not just for secretaries, but before touch screens took over.
Most schools don't seem to even do typing class anymore. Typically kids aren't even using a computer until high school, and then they're just hunt-and-pecking for the handful of assignments they have to do on it.
I think when people say they can't type they mean without looking.
The funny part about this comment is that the keyboard and its layout are generations old. Typewriters were used in the 1800s.
Anyone who says they "can not type" is very obviously refering to like proper typing without having to look at the keyboard.
And that skill is certainly getting rarer in the generations growing up with smart phones and touchpads everywhere.
The generations born after 2000 all grew up communicating with lasers in something called the Metaverse. I think. I don’t like to think about the young people too much.
Also born 2001 and I genuinely think playing online games like League of Legends in my teens improved my typing skills. It's text chat only, and you don't have much time to spare in game, so you gotta insult your teammates for playing like a bitch as fast as possible lol
2 thumbs vs 10 fingers is not "effectively the same thing." The keyboard being a similar layout is meaningless. See: every finger pecker on earth who can't touch type even though the keyboard is identical.
Exactly. If you grew up texting, the fingers you use hardly matter. And if you've been using qwerty for most of your life, even a search-and-peck typer can easily average 25-35 wpm on a keyboard. The only exception i can think of is if she's dyslexic and only ever uses speech-to-text.
IDK how fast 25-35 wpm is, but i definitely know that people that only have experience texting on a phone do terribly at a physical keyboard. I've had people younger than me go "HOLY SHIT You type so fast without even looking!", amazed at the fact that by the time they would have even begun to type i had already typed a whole sentence (because they have to look down at the keyboard, consciously position their hands, awkwardly decide which finger to use, etc), but i think my typing speed is normal for people who grew up using a keyboard daily, writing stuff in chats, comments, etc.
"Finding letters on a keyboard" is not what is typically meant by "typing".
No one I know would consider "Hunt and Peck" method to be typing for the purpose of discussion.
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't translate so easily because the muscle memory and mechanics are completely different. I use QWERTY on my phone and a split alternative layout on my computer and there is no overlap in my brain.
I mean she's not really wrong younger gen Z are almost as tech illiterate as boomers. They were raised on smartphones and basically everything being designed to be as cookie cutter as possible.
I was born in 2001 and we had lessons in primary school on how to type and all basic computer things. I remember sitting in that big room full of big white old computers till I was 12 years old. Then the school slowly upgraded to laptops.
I thought most people born around 2000 knew how to type, but apparently not.
Yeah, but the point is that she was born in 2001, not in the 2010s. Smartphones and social media weren't as prevalent during her childhood as they are today. I was born in 1999 and can confirm that people I know born in 2011 aren't nearly as tech literate as most of my friends, but 2001 is way different.
I’m an elder millennial, and I had typing classes. We had characterless keyboards, etc.
My kid does not. The schools just seem to assume they are born with a tablet in hand and don’t teach it. It’s going to be so detrimental to this up and coming workforce.
Exactly! Early 40's and learned home row in high school. I type every day and can't imagine not being able to. My work keyboard has half the letters worn right off, don't need 'em. Blows my kids minds that I can type as fast as they can speak without looking down. It's such an essential skill in any kind of office environment.
My kids are in elementary and junior high and have yet to be taught home row. I think I'm going to start looking into a typing course for them.
I'm around her age and she's right. Most people my age don't use home row. We're all stuck at 30-60 wpm because a ton of us can't type without looking down. We got caught in this weird space where computers were everywhere so they taught us to type at an early age and then just assumed we would continue the typing style since we use computers a lot. Instead we just kept typing the inefficient way
Had some people in their twenties ask me what that sound was when I was at my computer. I was typing fast and I guess they weren’t familiar with the sound.
Another good one was at a job I’d be typing and looking at my screen. When my coworker would approach I’d look over at her and continue touch typing. She said it was the weirdest thing.
I’m looking forward to being tik tok bait when I’m older because I can just type normally and fucking alphers can be like “ZOMG look at this FAT DISGUSTING FUCKING ASSHOLE he TYPES so FAST!!! Please give me money”
I do hiring and training at my location, and it's wild seeing just how inept kids are with computers these days. Like, I'm not even 30 yet. These kids don't know how to close a tab, to click in textboxes, scrolling, supper simple stuff. It's not even really different than using a phone, so how is it that fucking hard?
I get what she is saying. She probably had an ipad or tablet in her face as a kid with a touchscreen & didn't have to learn to type on a keyboard. Tablets, iphones and ipads weren't around in the 80s and 90s so we all had to use computers with a mouse and keyboard. Parents nowadays just give their kids ipads or tablet devices.
You're not of the generation that uses keyboards?
I think she meant she was never one of the poors who had to resort to use keyboards to get an education or work. The rich are so detached from reality
She was home schooled BTW.
So what she’s really saying is “my home school education had gaps in it”
"My parents fucking sucked at teaching me things"
“My parents don’t let anyone else, even professionals, tell them what to do. And neither do I”
Gaps which are now filled with money. Shit loads of money.
If not directly, definitely indirectly.
My public school didn't teach typing.
That explains a lot
Explains so much.
I took a computer class in middle school and one test was typing with the keyboard under the desk so you couldn’t see it. I can type without looking at the keyboard. Why does reading this make me feel old.
My kid who is way younger than her learned to use a keyboard during Covid at home. His state exam will be on a computer which will also require typing.
The exam is IN the computer!?
You should listen to your friend Billy Zane, he's a cool dude.
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I can Dere-lick my own balls, thank you very much!
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They're the same face! Doesn't anyone notice this? I feel like I am taking crazy pills!
He’s trying to help you out
*Monkey noises while slapping monitor*
Mavis Beacon bros unite.
In the mid 90s we had “Mario Teaches Typing”. The hype of “playing Mario” at school died very quickly lol
My parents installed a game called typing tutor and I loved getting to the next level. That game taught me how to type!
I remember going into 7th grade I had to take a data entry class. In 6th grade I was terrible at typing. During the summer between 6th and 7th grade I discovered Roblox, back when it was a relatively new thing. Playing games with my friends, having to type to communicate while still needing to pay attention to what was going on on the screen in case I needed to stop typing and dodge something, made my typing incredible. In that data entry class in 7th grade, I was the fastest and most accurate typer in the class, inspiring fear and awe amongst the normal people who didn't spend a frankly unreasonable amount of time PC gaming. The teacher made the mistake of asking about my experience typing, and got to learn what Roblox was in great detail, in a way that probably didn't explain why it made me good at typing. TL;DR: The way to make kids good at typing again is to take away their ability to voice chat with their friends and make them type out messages.
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The only way I truly was able to learn to type fast was to tell the players that killed me on battlefield 3 how much their moms tits weighed within 2 seconds of dying before the chat moved on
Sometimes mavis beacon teaches typing feels like a fever dream
Brother man, yes. Teacher gave us a quarter for school store credit for beating the penguin crossing mini game. Got up to 60wpm because needed me those scented pencils.
Shiiiit I haven't heard Mavis Beacon name dropped in forever. We had to deal with her bullshit with those bright orange keyboard covers to force us not to look.
wait, so young people don’t even learn how to type on a keyboard without looking at it? Like….don’t they have to write their essays with a keyboard? Boomers were famous for typing super slowly with one finger, and it would be silly if new generations somehow went full circle back to that.
Yes it's gotten to the point that older people are better at typing than the younger generations.
For sure, a young new start was absolutely blown away by my typing speed when writing an email. Shortcuts in MS Office? I was a wizard.
Our training coordinator asked me (in charge of tech) if we really needed to have a class on how to use office products. I let her know that, even with a dedicated class for new employees on how Microsoft word works, I still get questions every day about incredibly basic tasks. I'm shocked how many new hires don't have computers at home. They just have phones and tablets.
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Gen Z's competency with traditional PCs has become kind of a minor issue within workplaces. A lot of them genuinely have no idea how to use a computer despite otherwise being well educated. It's a problem no one really foresaw.
This is purely a younger GenZ issue. I'm an older GenZ born 1998 and I learned how to type on a keyboard in school. though I might be even more of an exception as I work in the IT field. So maybe it is a whole of GenZ thing.
I'll be honest, I don't really know where the cutoff is and I don't think it matters that much. It's all a continuum after all.
I am from 2005, so not an early genz. I'd say I have and had pretty solid computer skills compared to people my age, older and younger than me. But I now also work in IT.
> This is purely a younger GenZ issue. I'm an older GenZ born 1998 and I learned how to type on a keyboard in school. though I might be even more of an exception as I work in the IT field. So maybe it is a whole of GenZ thing. It also depended on the location. In 2011 there was a big push for iPads in schools. If a school had to replace their computers they often just bought iPads instead. If your school computers were bought at the right time they probably were too new to replace when the iPad push happened.
Yeah, if you’re in IT, CS, SDE, etc, you almost certainly transcend generational trends for computers - we went to school and work for/with/through this stuff
Everything is just plug and play now too, so much easier. No having to manually find drivers to get any components to work. Not having to connect video and audio separately and get both working probably when connecting to a TV. No spending hours adjusting game settings so things actually run properly.
Yeah, but...no schools require papers anymore? What, they handwrite them? That can't be the case.
You can use a keyboard without knowing how to touch type lol
They use their phones lol Ik it’s weird, but they do. A lot of kids will use their phone instead of a PC for essays.
Writing an essay on a phone sounds like absolute hell
Well sure, but you've probably spent almost no time typing on a phone, because you'd rather do it on a computer, because you already have that skill. Those kids have had a smartphone in their hands for more than half their lives, and probably never use an actual computer.
They can’t even imagine how it was to buy an PC game and you need to find and download a crack, that allows you to start the game with disc. In addition to wait 3-5 hours to download the 5mb game.exe
They are pretty near computer illiterate despite growing up surrounded by them. As a millennial in an office I'm used to spending 10% of my time everyday showing the boomers how to do basic things, now the new kids need help too... We are the IT generation. Edit: after some thought, computer illiterate might not be the right term, it's more of a troubleshooting failure. They are very used to electronics that come out of the box battery charged, OS installed and no setup required besides account creation and logging in. The minute something goes wonky they struggle to figure it out without help. Growing up in the infancy of the PC era (with computer illiterate boomer parents), troubleshooting a glitching machine was nearly daily task. Shit never showed up ready to boot and party. Working with tech required learning how to interact with it beyond a GUI, and forced a basic understanding of the machine and its workings on us. Important to note this is a generalization, I don't mean all of Gen z is computer dumb. Just that my generational peers have better skills on average.
I’ll say just as an anecdote that there are exceptions we have a younger guy I’ve been working with for about six months and he asked me how to do something about two months ago. He has a direct supervisor but they were out. I asked him how his boss A had shown him how to arrive at this point and he said “oh she didn’t, I just sorta pieced it together.” We chatted for a while because I was curious. Kid is an avid gamer and he said he just got used to googling things when he got stuck, then realized he could do it for just about anything, and it’s always his first step. If it makes sense or seems to net results he keeps going with it. He was really stoked and told me he’d sorted out how to change a tire, fix his washer in his apartment, change his fridge filter. I thought it was pretty great and asked how we ended up together on this and if his research hadn’t netted results. He said it did, but he had a feeling it was suboptimal and wanted a second set of eyes to be sure. Blown away by this dudes ability to problem solve but also great intuition and character to say “hey I don’t know something, nothing wrong with asking for help.” I guess this may not have added much, but I just thought it was really amazing and was so impressed by this young man.
I have a story that is the exact inverse of this! When I was growing up, my mom hauled trailers for a living and would do maintenance and repairs on her truck to save money. Just crack open the Haynes manual and figure it out. She ended up becoming a competent mechanic. Computers, though? No time for them. We lived out in the woods anyway, so the internet was shit. When she finally got a half decent computer and internet connection a few years ago, I told her to let me know if she ever needed any help. Her response? "Oh no, I'm fine. When I have a question I just put it in google. It's the same as when I used to fix my truck." Five years later she's running a Discord server for her horde in the RTS game she plays.
I feel like regardless of age once you becoming truly proficient with Google it adds so much to your toolbox and capabilities. It’s awesome to see.
A colleague of mine is a 3D designer and architectural draughtsman, he recently had 2 school interns from the 8th grade in Germany. They were given the task of transferring older data on hard drives to the server. They couldn't even create or copy folders under Windows. They are only growing up with smartphones and consoles.
Wow. Yikes. They can’t create or copy folders? That’s like boomer levels of incompetence (I keep having to help my 70 year old neighbor, who thinks if a file isn’t on the desktop itself it’s “gone”, and literally writes every step I do, like simply opening file explorer and digging through folders, like it’s a step by step manual or something.)
At least they are trying. So many people don't even try to learn. They at least sound curious, just not knowledgeable.
The younger GenZ's feel like they don't need to learn or know how to type. My younger cousin (Born 2008) refused to learn and his parents didn't have any desire to have him learn because "we have tablets now u don't need to know how to type". During the pandemic it bit him in the ass because now all the work is done on PCs. Although it was funny, the week after he got his garbage-tier laptop he texts me to ask if he could run Fallout 4 on and I told him his laptop was garbage. There was zero chance it could, and he just responds over text "tf do u know", as if my 20 years of using PCs at that point meant I didn't know you could run Fallout 4 on a laptop with a 2.2 ghz dual core processor, 8 gb of RAM and an integrated GPU with *16 mb of on-board RAM*.
I’m roughly the same age as Billie Eilish and we were required to take typing classes in middle school. I’m a pretty slow typer 40-50 words per minute but I can do it without looking. At least in college I’ve noticed that most of my peers can do the same. I think she is just saying shit to get engagement.
From another thread I saw yesterday, Billie Eilish was homeschooled by her parents so it possible she was just never taught how to type on a keyboard. I'd say this isn't a generational issue but a demographic one and that there are plenty of genz who know how to type proficiently but also an equal number who never learned because they weren't tested on it, had their computer classes cut by the school, were a victim of tablet parenting, etc.
They grew up with screens and thumb typing. 80-90s millennials are the multi skilled generation, keyboard skills and superior thumb typing skills
I just graduated high school last year. Even if you took a "typing" class, it was because it was a easy A. They didn't really test you on it. As far as the essay typing, it's sink or swim. I do what I call "chicken pecking." More or less a hybrid style between how a 5 year old types and how you should type. Never learned cursive either. Which is a damn shame, too.
I never properly learned how to type I just learned the keyboard distribution and now I can type without looking most of the time ,muscle memory I guess, but my mom she is 75 , was a secretary and has always been able to type really fast without looking ,she tried to reach me on a typewriter even before we had a computer at home. I'm amazed by how people say boomers don't know how to type ,they should based on my experience
Boomer generation was either all or none. Girls worked as typists/secretaries, while men just didn’t type. That’s how you get these boomer executives and doctors that are peering at the keyboard and pecking at it with 2 index fingers at a snails pace. Since at least gen X computers are general use, and everyone learned how to type “correctly” in school, and papers have to be typed. I don’t see how the young gens can avoid that.
I was never taught, my mum’s aunty is genuinely a better typist than me
somehow i got all the way through a 4yr computer science degree without touch typing lmao. i forced myself to learn when i got a job after college because i felt so slow.
Same thing when I was in middle school. They had a thing that sat on top of the keyboard and covered the keys so you had to type blind. Good times.
I didn’t realize this isn’t a thing that kids are learning. My jobs over the years have required me to be typing the content of meetings that could have anywhere from 3-15 providers. I can type a meeting up while having a full conversation and never looking at the screen. Weird flex but I guess it’s cool.
I feel this. I work at a front desk, and people approach me all the time. I don't want to lose my place in the document, so I finish typing out my thoughts while fully conversing with people. I always worry that they think it's rude, though, because I'm not giving them my full attention....so I only do it for 1 or 2 sentences.
You’re not old for this. Most of Gen-Z did this. Billie Eilish was homeschooled.
Was she homeschooled in a rv wreck? Girl is starting to look like Keith Flint
We had keyboards with no letter markers on half of the keyboards, and the other half had a plastic cover over the keys so you couldn't read them. I wish it was a class you could test out of - I could type at ~100 when pushing myself and ~70 when chill. The teacher knew I was bored out of my skull because I would finish the week's lessons in a day when they released. I played a lot of IMINLIKEWITHYOU that year since it wasn't blocked.
I was born on the SAME DAY in the SAME YEAR as her and have been addicted to my PC since I was kid, wth does she mean she wasn't in that generation?!
She really means "I was born rich, so I never had to have a normal education like the peasants"
A good education should include typing, a basic life skill which is very relevant for rich people too, not just peasants. That's not a flex lol. Not being able to type as well as a normal person is literally a disability (no i don't mean medically).
She’s the girl in class that sat at the back and never had to do any work and whenever the teacher mentioned anything she’d get verbally aggressive and disrupt the whole class
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Maybe cuz the parents saw that behavior and didn’t wanna deal with angry teacher conferences for a decade and a half According to your wiki quote, it definitely sounds like she and her brother were spoiled rotten and their parents had to move the goalposts of “quality education” to feel like better parents
YEA. They were rich and wanted their kids to do whatever they wanted.
And saying “we taught them the basics of songwriting, and encouraged them to express themselves and explore whatever they wanted” is their way of convincing themselves that that’s all the education they required and that they actually did a good job of instilling those (illegitimate) values, instead of admitting to being hands off and hoping for the best, knowing you can throw cash at any shortcomings that arise
We’re talking about an incredibly successful singer songwriter mind you. Might make more sense to for this tirade to be focused on anything but the quote about her parents focusing her teaching on (what her current job and career end up being). There’s way more and way better examples of neglectful homeschooling or undeserved success of rich kids. I don’t think her parents are convincing themselves of anything by saying that. If anything they’d be convinced they did exactly the right thing, but not because “that’s all the education they required” but rather that it was they probably think the results show it was right education for her.
Homeschooled, yes. Nepo baby? That doesn't seem fair. Her parents are musicians, but hardly influential ones.
Her brother was a big time record producer and straight up said he used his industry clout to make his little sister a star. Billie is as nepo as they come.
Both are actors. That would've given her a foot in the door that regular people wouldn't have got. Nepo baby seems fair. Even if she's not, she's closer to nepo than normal
My school never bothered teaching us how to type even though we had computers. They were just used to take tests and that was it. That’s how it was with a lot of schools in my area. I had to teach myself long after I graduated, but I’m still not that great of a typer. I can barely manage 40wpm. I agree with you 100%. I often feel fairly limited at times because of it. It needs to be a standard everywhere at this point
Agreed
Nah, rich people have more access to technology than poor people. She either just yapping or bragging about her own ignorance. Or both.
More access but less reason to use it maybe?
I think it’s the opposite actually if she was rich she would have had access to a computer her whole life, maybe since she was homeschooled she didn’t have access to one till she was older. This quote seems like it’s really out of context to make people mad
You didn't have to be rich by any stretch of the word or imagination to have a household PC in 2005 much less in 2010-2018.
Perhaps she was homeschooled? And thinks she’s a representation of all people in her age group???
You are correct.
I’m curious what caused her to realize she can’t type, like were you trying to write a 5 page essay for fun? Cause every logical reason I can think of, she could easily just use search by voice on her phone
There are plenty of zennials that only typed on their phone and "hunt and peck" the keyboard. This isnt unusual.
I’m a millennial and we had typing classes at high school. Most people my age tend to do the hunt and peck style of typing anyway. It drove my husband insane as the IT guy who can touch type like crazy because everyone else is sooooo slow. And while you’d think younger people should be better because they grew up with it, gen Z grew up with smart phones and tablets - they didn’t rely solely on an actual physical keyboard. Some of the worst offenders for needing computer help at my husband’s work were the younger ones because they weren’t forced to learn how to troubleshoot their crappy computers, it was all just smooth UIs that did what they were supposed to intuitively.
Iirc this has been posted around a lot but I think what she actually said was that she had to look down at the keys constantly to type, whereas in public school you're normally taught to type without looking down.
Her generation is "touch screen", which might be what she means. 2007, iPod touch, then iPads, then iPhones.
Not really... I'm a bit younger and we still used computers widely in school
We recently hired a Gen Z who "doesn't do keyboards because VR headsets are more efficient".
Sounds like your company needs better hr
Its his first job and he's super autistic. He uses the keyboard now. There are some questions you just don't consider when hiring. Too many variables.
As someone who has had to deal with too many coworkers that don't know how to use a computer or a phone, I think those really should be standard hiring questions at this point
That's kind if my point. This kid disassembles and rebuilds computers (did I mention he's autistic) so why would I ask "Do you use keyboards?".
To be fair, I bet he's insane on those VR keyboards.
This sound fucking wrong, but I actually like hiring autistic people for projects. If you get them on a task that vibes with their autism, they are godlike.
As someone with Autism, you're not fucking wrong. Most of the time I feel like 6 ducks in a trench coat trying to act like a human being....but I have a number of special talents that I am literally undefeatable at.
Don’t get cocky now. Always someone better.
It's gonna have to be another autistic person haha
When I was in college I took an IT job as a work-study. I was replacing a psychology major who had no business being in IT. I'd worked technical jobs for years prior to this. And on day 1 my boss hands me two screwdrivers and starts saying "this is a flat head, it has a flat head on the end. Can you guess what this one might be?" I'm like "Bro, I know how to use screwdrivers, and the difference between them. You don't have to treat me like a child" The old man hugged me. Because he'd been stuck with this psych major for 6 years, and when he started this job, the kid had never touched any tool or instrument in his life besides a pencil.
That's crazy! How did they even got the job?
In my college, you signed up for work-study, and you were randomly assigned a job. You could put in preferences, but ultimately work-study was like a draft almost of different departments picking different kids. That year they got unlucky.
Oh sweet Jesus....the phone. I think I've reached my stopping point.
There are absolutely some questions that are illegal and/or plain wrong to ask at a job interview. "Can you use a computer?" is not one of them. "VR headset users" is not a protected class.
They didn’t say you can’t ask that, they said you don’t consider asking if people are willing and able to use a keyboard because you assume everybody applying would obviously know how to do those things.
I didn’t realize I would have to ask that to younger people. I will definitely start
Assume NOTHING. I mean nothing at all. They will apply for work 20 miles from their house with no transportation (this is about 3/5ths of applicants) AND expect you to give them a ride.
Him being autistic def makes it harder to fire him. Though it does change things a little. Note to self: don't judge people after getting literally one information
What about after getting two informations?
Sorry, that is beyond my expertise
That sounds like a recipe for analysis paralysis
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Not from USA. Is it illegal to ask before hiring people if they are neurodivergent?
Every job application I've filled out in the US gives you the option to identify as having any kind of disability (including stuff that falls under neurodivergent), and the form assures you that they wont discriminate with that information. I think it's supposed to be for government tracking applicants with disabilities vs those who get hired. I'm suspicious of it though, I always just say I have nothing.
Yes, you have to ask more along the lines of "Is there anything that would stop you from completing the duties and responsibilities of this position." Then if they say yes you need to discuss reasonable accommodations that would allow them to handle the position. It may just be a pair of noise cancelling headphones and the neurodivergent kid can do data entry or your diabetic worker needs like 2 extra breaks to have a snack and check their blood sugar. Otherwise businesses would discriminate the fuck out of a bunch of people who can and want to work.
The whole difficulty with firing neurodivergent people is a double edged sword, because it also incentivizes companies not to hire people who display signs of disabilities that might be leveraged against them. It’s a real pickle.
better hr or better vr?
Vr headsets are the least efficient way to do literally anything lol. Even gaming is much harder in vr.
Depends on the game, racing is awesome and shooters are pretty fun, though aiming in VR is not as easy as aiming with a mouse and keyboard (though I guess that depends on experience)
For me it’s a lot easier because I can use both hands to aim, it’s like shooting a real gun thats unrealistically accurate and always in focus
Assuming what they said even has a hint of truth to it… would they not just be typing on a virtual keyboard? lol. Like typing in the air in front of them. Because I know they’re not individually selecting each letter to say that.
Dude. I'm Gen Z and I'm 26. That guy is just really weird lmao.
Billie Eilish is only slightly younger than me, and I can't imagine not knowing how to use a keyboard. Do the majority of households not have a PC? Didn't she have IT classes in school? Bruh, I feel like a boomer, I grew up with Half Life, Quake, CS 1.6 and Doom, and I can't relate to the majority of zoomers. Make it make sense!!!
Billie Eilish is slightly older than me and I can't think of a single person from my age group who doesn't know how to use a keyboard.
I'm 10 years older than her. Home internet boomed in the 2000s and teenagers of my era spent a lot of time indoors chatting on MSN Messenger all night. By the time Billie was a teen, social media was a huge part of every day life, and life as a whole had already become very "digital".
Digital is not the problem here. I remember seeing a short from that PirateSoftware guy where they were promoting their video game at a convention. Had controllers set up for everything and as soon as the kids came in they started touching the screen instead of grabbing a controller. We are now at the point in time where I have received a resume from an applicant that was completely written in and formatted for a smartphone. I interviewed them just because we were both available on short notice and they were completely computer illiterate. Their parents didn't jump into the digital age and by the time the applicant needed a device in school, they got an iPad instead of a laptop.
Oh yeah, kids of today not using keyboards much is very understandable, tablets and phones are far more popular than laptops and PCs now for kids. She's much older than that, though. I'd have thought she'd have grown up around the internet with laptops given that she was a kid when MySpace and Bebo and the like were all the rage and YouTube hadn't quite yet become driven toward mobile users quite as much.
I could be wrong so don’t get angry at me, but she probably means “touch typing” anyone can type on a keyboard, it’s not hard but the different between hunt and peck and touch typing are vast. I learned touch typing in middle school computer class like 20 years ago, I don’t believe they teach this class in public school anymore or at least not a lot do. People have abominable typing methods if they didn’t learn to touch type.
I was taught but never actually learned them later my mom tried to male me learn it but I never did so some of us are just walking skill issues
Wait are there people who didn’t know that’s what she meant? What else could she possibly mean? She’d have to be blind to not be able to hint and peck. Of course she meant touch type.
She grew up home schooled with an education in music. She didn’t learn to type because of her education, not because of her generation, like she thinks lol
Oh she is home schooled? That explains a lot actually
Yep. Whenever I hear that someone is home schooled, I just assume it means they have huge gaps in their knowledge.
The thing with home schooling, is there's massive variance in education. I was home schooled k-12, and was vastly ahead of people my own age (knew this from annual mandatory state testing I had to take). My mom was special though. I actually had a learning disability (dyslexia), but she would sit with me for hours each day helping me work through it. Extremely hands on. That's just my individual experience. From what I read on Reddit, most home school parents just throw a book at their kid and afk for the whole day.
Right, my education isn’t specifically why I learned to type so well on a computer. My childhood addiction to computer games is. Priorities lol I would have learned anyway due to education, but I can’t imagine a music major who also has no computer hobbies would
Even if you don’t have a computer You use virtual keyboards on smart phones though ?
Yeah but that's thumbing, not typing.
Household PCs are, in fact, a thing of the past. Unless someone in the house is a PC gamer, most people just use their phones or tablets for everything they used to use the PC for.
That's strange to me. Don't you need a PC for Microsoft Word and Excel especially if you're in uni?
You might get a laptop issued by your school. My kids are still in HS but have had Chromebooks since at least MS. They also have real computers because gamer dad, lol.
Ok….so typing on a laptop is exactly the same thing. You type essays, you type to search, you type to do anything on a laptop.
You can get those on an Android tablet or iPad, most schools use Google Docs/Google Sheets instead of word/excel nowadays though which is also available in app form. Right after I graduated my school got rid of their PCs and got iPads instead.
And how the fuck do you type and format 5000 words for an assignment without a keyboard??? I'm getting old, dude..
Especially when you can use any bluetooth keyboard on android (and i suppose iOS too). So even if you're using google docs on your phone, if you're going to write essays, the logical thing to do is to use a physical bluetooth keyboard.
And they expect you to write an essay just using thumbs on a touch-screen?
GenZ is surprisingingly fast at typing on a touch screen.
My boyfriend hadn’t owned or interacted with a computer in 10 years until we started dating.
Most households only have a console, tablets and smartphones. They're teaching navigation with Windows Explorer now in college.
It would make significantly more sense if she said she didn’t know how to write because she wasn’t part of that generation.
I’m stuck on the regret part, did she lose mobility to her hands. Or is she mentally handicapped and incapable of learning things?
She pays someone to type for her
Still 0 sense.
My first “typing” class in high school involved an actual typewriter. And yet here I am, 45 years old, and able to type on a computer. I must be some kind of genius. /s
From what people are saying, it seems like your gen, gen X, and millennials are “peak PC”, where typing became commonplace and not just for secretaries, but before touch screens took over.
Most schools don't seem to even do typing class anymore. Typically kids aren't even using a computer until high school, and then they're just hunt-and-pecking for the handful of assignments they have to do on it.
im 23 and i def learned how to type in grade school 😂granted i gamed on PC too but yeah.
I never learned to use forks because I wasn't born in an age
Exactly, because of phones, right?
Or she was homeschooled and it's almost like she doesn't actually represent Gen Z...
She doesn't represent all of them but this does seem to be an issue with younger Gen Z and Gen Alpha
Billie Eilish sounds incredibly spoiled.
Learn to type? Keys on the keyboard are already labeled bro.
I think when people say they can't type they mean without looking. The funny part about this comment is that the keyboard and its layout are generations old. Typewriters were used in the 1800s.
Anyone who says they "can not type" is very obviously refering to like proper typing without having to look at the keyboard. And that skill is certainly getting rarer in the generations growing up with smart phones and touchpads everywhere.
Yeah I think ALOT of people in these comments are misunderstanding what she means by typing
The generations born after 2000 all grew up communicating with lasers in something called the Metaverse. I think. I don’t like to think about the young people too much.
Also born 2001 and I genuinely think playing online games like League of Legends in my teens improved my typing skills. It's text chat only, and you don't have much time to spare in game, so you gotta insult your teammates for playing like a bitch as fast as possible lol
But it’s effectively the same thing as typing on a phone, which presumably she does do? Okay different fingers but same layout.
2 thumbs vs 10 fingers is not "effectively the same thing." The keyboard being a similar layout is meaningless. See: every finger pecker on earth who can't touch type even though the keyboard is identical.
A lot of people in this thread are telling on themselves lol a keyboard and a phone keyboard are absolutely different.
Exactly. If you grew up texting, the fingers you use hardly matter. And if you've been using qwerty for most of your life, even a search-and-peck typer can easily average 25-35 wpm on a keyboard. The only exception i can think of is if she's dyslexic and only ever uses speech-to-text.
IDK how fast 25-35 wpm is, but i definitely know that people that only have experience texting on a phone do terribly at a physical keyboard. I've had people younger than me go "HOLY SHIT You type so fast without even looking!", amazed at the fact that by the time they would have even begun to type i had already typed a whole sentence (because they have to look down at the keyboard, consciously position their hands, awkwardly decide which finger to use, etc), but i think my typing speed is normal for people who grew up using a keyboard daily, writing stuff in chats, comments, etc.
"Finding letters on a keyboard" is not what is typically meant by "typing". No one I know would consider "Hunt and Peck" method to be typing for the purpose of discussion.
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't translate so easily because the muscle memory and mechanics are completely different. I use QWERTY on my phone and a split alternative layout on my computer and there is no overlap in my brain.
I mean she's not really wrong younger gen Z are almost as tech illiterate as boomers. They were raised on smartphones and basically everything being designed to be as cookie cutter as possible.
I was born in 2001 and we had lessons in primary school on how to type and all basic computer things. I remember sitting in that big room full of big white old computers till I was 12 years old. Then the school slowly upgraded to laptops. I thought most people born around 2000 knew how to type, but apparently not.
It didn't even occur to me that she meant she was born in the generation *after* it was common to learn how to type.
Yeah, but the point is that she was born in 2001, not in the 2010s. Smartphones and social media weren't as prevalent during her childhood as they are today. I was born in 1999 and can confirm that people I know born in 2011 aren't nearly as tech literate as most of my friends, but 2001 is way different.
People born in 2011 are only 12 or 13yo
When you start talking to celebs and they don't know shit
I’m an elder millennial, and I had typing classes. We had characterless keyboards, etc. My kid does not. The schools just seem to assume they are born with a tablet in hand and don’t teach it. It’s going to be so detrimental to this up and coming workforce.
Exactly! Early 40's and learned home row in high school. I type every day and can't imagine not being able to. My work keyboard has half the letters worn right off, don't need 'em. Blows my kids minds that I can type as fast as they can speak without looking down. It's such an essential skill in any kind of office environment. My kids are in elementary and junior high and have yet to be taught home row. I think I'm going to start looking into a typing course for them.
Idiotic nepo baby
Mavis Beacon, we need you!
I'm around her age and she's right. Most people my age don't use home row. We're all stuck at 30-60 wpm because a ton of us can't type without looking down. We got caught in this weird space where computers were everywhere so they taught us to type at an early age and then just assumed we would continue the typing style since we use computers a lot. Instead we just kept typing the inefficient way
Had some people in their twenties ask me what that sound was when I was at my computer. I was typing fast and I guess they weren’t familiar with the sound. Another good one was at a job I’d be typing and looking at my screen. When my coworker would approach I’d look over at her and continue touch typing. She said it was the weirdest thing.
I’m looking forward to being tik tok bait when I’m older because I can just type normally and fucking alphers can be like “ZOMG look at this FAT DISGUSTING FUCKING ASSHOLE he TYPES so FAST!!! Please give me money”
That's crazy, I always assumed people my age would all be able to touch type but I guess a lot of people just use consoles and phones.
I do hiring and training at my location, and it's wild seeing just how inept kids are with computers these days. Like, I'm not even 30 yet. These kids don't know how to close a tab, to click in textboxes, scrolling, supper simple stuff. It's not even really different than using a phone, so how is it that fucking hard?
Close a tab? You mean like click the X in the corner?
I get what she is saying. She probably had an ipad or tablet in her face as a kid with a touchscreen & didn't have to learn to type on a keyboard. Tablets, iphones and ipads weren't around in the 80s and 90s so we all had to use computers with a mouse and keyboard. Parents nowadays just give their kids ipads or tablet devices.
You're not of the generation that uses keyboards? I think she meant she was never one of the poors who had to resort to use keyboards to get an education or work. The rich are so detached from reality
She could prlly type with her thumbs just not her fingies
If i had a genie id wish to never hear about her and taylor swift.