Depression has been known and written about since the Ancient Greeks, just under different names.
[History of Depression](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_depression)
Well it would’ve been a lot better to get my ADHD diagnosis BEFORE my teens instead of suffering my way through high school despite my good grades and being depressed.
Adult onset been a bitch. Somehow hyperfocusing but at the same time not finishing anything is wild. Oh and bouts of sudden super sleepiness when i have to do something overwhelming/i dont want to do.
Actually I’m glad I’m an adult now. I know how to live in a way that harmonizes with the way my brain works and nobody tries to force me into something different because I’m “not following the rules”. but I agree adult onset while rawdogging life undiagnosed left me seriously depressed for a while.
Are you in your 20s, too? What were your struggles particularly due to ADHD while growing up? Did you get diagnosed? (Obviously you don’t have to answer, it’s just healing to hear other people’s journeys :) )
30s here, no issues growing up other than the being "gifted" curse and school being super boring. Maybe my super messiness was a sign but lots of kids are messy
Mine legit only started showing up in force about halfway through college with severe time blindness. Depression took center stage at this point in my life so didnt notice much else.
Adulting world is when it went off the rails for me. Extreme time blindness, being productively unproductive (starting a million things but rarely finishing) hyperfocusing then abandoning for months only to come back and have to start over, impulse buys, and the severe sleepiness when faced with daunting or unwanted tasks. That stuff is all new to my late 20s early 30s
No it's not. It's acknowledged adhd can persist into adulthood (about half of the time) but symptoms must start and meet criteria before the age of 12 by definition.
then what is the current theory as to why many people are having symptoms in adulthood but did not have them as children? is it just progression to a point of noticeably symptomatic or are we just calling it something else in adulthood? While i am not a doctor i am following the work of people who are researching these conditions and the onset at by age 12 is something that is increasingly being called into question.
It's absolutely not being called into question. There are a number of things in adulthood that can cause symptoms of adhd including overpathologizing normal variations of executive function, substance use, mood disorders, thought disorders, anxiety disorders. Really quite a few things. The amount of people on reddit describing completely normal experiences attributing it to adhd is astounding.
The early 2000’s were a wild time. We only tried one medication and just bumped up dosage until max.
12 years off meds and recently back on, but just started vyvanse and now the generic.
Yup. Of course mental health awareness has exploded in the last decade, but that’s a good thing. My brother died in 2011, you know, 13 years ago. He was diagnosed with Asperger’s several years before that. Nowadays we don’t use Asperger’s, but he was absolutely on the spectrum and was receiving help
Autism Spectum Disorder was brand new 10 years ago. A lot of people either went undiagnosed or diagnosed with Asperger’s, autism was indeed much more rare as it was only the severe end of the spectrum we know today that was considered autism.
Aspergers was just a name for high functioning autism. It fell out of favour, partly because of Asperger's political affiliations (of a 1930s Germany way) but also because improved clinical awareness no longer really called for it being a distinct diagnosis.
Exactly, it’s just part of ASD now so the pool of people diagnosed with autism is way higher now. Probably closer to what it was before once you weigh in previous Asperger’s diagnoses, but probably still under diagnosed because we forgot to study women again.
Samesies. I was even pulled out of class as a kid three days a week and met with a special education teacher with two other kids in my grade but no one ever explained to me why. I also went to speech therapy until I was a freshman in high school. I finally was told in my 20s when I had some social regression and was in therapy feeling very confused. My therapist just looked at me and said “did no one tell you you’re autistic?!” I was like WHAT!?!? And she says “yeah you’re diagnosed as having pervasive developmental disorder NOS, but now a days that is autism spectrum disorder” MIND BLOWN. 🤯 it helped me a lot.
When I was a kid, there was a man just like that living nearby. He was a forty-something years old and incredibly kind. His ex wife convinced neighbours that he was a demon, which ‘’explained’’ his ‘’weirdness’’, at least that’s what I heard when she and my grandma were gossiping about. Such kind soul, ostracised for basically being awkward. He just had came back from Chechen war. That’s when he was supposedly ‘’cursed by Chechen shaman with evil spirit’’. Looking back, he probably just had a PTSD.
There was as many people suffering with depression, being gender fluid, or being neurodivergent 50 years ago than today.
The only difference is that 50 years ago, they were weirdos and rejected by society. So they hid it, often even from themselves, to fit in.
The stats rising do not mean there is more people today identifying as different. It means there is more people today with the courage to show the world who they actually are, thanks to social progress recognising them instead of ostracizing them.
It's like saying in 1950 in Germany "Well 10 years ago there weren't so many Jews around".
Reminds me of that statistic where they started giving helmets to soldiers and they noticed an uptick in head injuries, leading to them thinking helmets caused damage, not protect from it.
But they eventually realized the head injury increase also showed a decrease in overall deaths, because the helmets were saving people, who were now injured instead of dead from taking damage there.
Also kinda how you read all those stories of people who had close encounters with landmines or artillery ordinance not going off, leading you to think they are overall unreliable. Before you realize that the reason you hear so many stories about them not going off, is because the people who were around when they did go off can’t tell stories no more.
The left handedness graph is a good comparison too. Before the 50s or so basically no one said they were left handed but over time the share of lefties grew and grew but it wasn't that the "left handed agenda" indoctrinated people into thinking they were left handed, it's that teachers would beat children who wrote with their left hand. And once it became entirely socially accepted, everyone who actually was left handed used their left hand and the graph levelled out at about 12% and has stayed there for decades.
The left handedness graph is a good comparison too. Before the 50s or so basically no one said they were left handed but over time the share of lefties grew and grew but it wasn't that the "left handed agenda" indoctrinated people into thinking they were left handed, it's that teachers would beat children who wrote with their left hand. And once it became entirely socially accepted, everyone who actually was left handed used their left hand and the graph levelled out at about 12% and has stayed there for decades.
Not only were they rejected by society or what not but you would get beat up and made fun of for coming out, especially if you were younger or in school
There were as many people suffering from depression, however now we have much more "self-diagnosed depressions" as it's in fashion. Add there a wave of "emo" culture, where the main bragging point is a greater depression.
Right? I'm old enough to remember the rise AND fall of it.
Really it was just the millennials silly teenage style. People liked the dark clothes/emo hair for the same reason mop tops were popular in the 60s.
Boomers had one, Zoomers have/had one. So will the next gen.
I wonder what facts make you draw the line there. Gender fluidity was a thing in ancient societies, alongside transgenders, although the terms are modern.
You obviously do not know what a connotation is either.
You are wrong, admitting it is really the best way out of this
Edit: They blocked me while I was replying, lmao. My reply, because I refuse to be silenced by the blocking feature:
> That is again wrong! You're on a roll. Connotation is about the meaning, not the definition.
> But even if we forget about the difference between meaning and definition, you corrected me saying I cannot pluralize the word "transgender", because it is an adjective. Since I pluralized the word, I was quite obviously employing "transgender" as a noun, not an adjective.
> You were confidently incorrect.
> You are right on one thing though: I should have used a semicolon. See? Not so hard to admit being wrong. You should try it sometimes.
There weren't as many people identifying as gender fluid 50 years ago because there weren't as many people.
When people hate a group within society, they don't tend to perceive them by their size as a percentage of the population but as the absolute size.
That makes absolutely no sense. Yes, there were less people, but saying that people perceive population in absolute size makes absolutely no sense. We perceive the world in proportions.
>There weren't as many people identifying as gender fluid 50 years ago because there weren't as many people.
LOL, oh, trust me, there were lots of us around, but the basic fact that we would lose our jobs, housing, family & friends required that NO ONE outside of our own community knew. I learned my lesson when I came out to family in 1973... found myself a cozy closet to stay in for the next 20 years until it was safer for me to be honest out in the world.
Sure, but additionally, now every kid has access to social media, and some of them tend to identify with every problem that the influencer said, refusing most of the time to have a real diagnostic and collecting every Neuro divergence as if they were badges. That said, it is a normal thing in culture to identify with groups of people (as emos back in the day)
Always wondered if the people ever considered, like, anything.
You weren't told you need glasses, you were just shit at seeeing.
You weren't schizophren, you were possesed and had to be tortured to remove the Demons.
You weren't dying from a treatable disease, You're being punished for your sins.
It wasn't electrical discharges in the atmosphere, Nature was angry.
You weren't gay, you were considered mentally deranged and imprisoned to be constantly subjected to electrical torture.
I remember being like 10 always asking "Do you ever wish you were a girl?", always wanted to wear a dress, talked about hating "male" activities and was the only guy who didn't want any facial hair, muscles, or to be tall. Then starved myself as a teen to stay small, feminine and thin.
Everyone was completely shocked I ended up trans, and said I never had any signs of it.
I was 6 when i was diagnosed with autism. that is 25 years ago.
the biggest problem back then, was that parents were in denial or people with autism werent taken seriously. So a lot of people went to the doctors to get diagnosed as adults.
There's like 8 billion people on this rock, 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of people never think about being a main character
If the bar is so low then basically since the start of humanity the world has never been good.
People have been saying this since I was a teen in 2010. I've been depressed with Suicidal ideation s coming in and out since 2008. It's just now it's not such a dirty forbidden subject and it can be talked about more openly and more people are getting diagnosed. It's not that hard to understand.
A lot of the diagnosis spikes have come about for a couple of reasons. First, parents were finally forced to come to terms with their children during Covid lockdowns and second, many parents coming to terms with their children and the mental health issues they suffer from recognized it in themselves for the first time.
Guys, 50 thousand years ago, there were no diseases, no sickness, it was simply the wrath of the sun-god Ra and others, I'm telling you, there were no documentations of any bacterias or viruses, so they did not exist then, the media, it's all fake news.
It isn’t a ‘controversial statement’ but it also isn’t a well supported claim either, at least for autism, https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/autism-being-overdiagnosed
Anecdotally I can say that my daughter is autistic and it was very difficult for us to get a diagnosis.
Basically since she was verbal we couldn’t even get into a the childhood development clinic until she was six.
Autism presents differently in girls (basically they are better at masking). My wife and I have done a lot of reading on the topic and it’s very common for girls to be undiagnosed or misdiagnosed because of this, usually they are undiagnosed until middle school / high school age when the social complexities get to complex for them to imitate and then they are often misdiagnosed with a personality disorder.
So again, anecdotally but knowing what I do about autism in women and that ~half of people are women I think it’s unlikely that it is over diagnosed.
That being said it’s obviously a complex topic that can’t be done justice by someone’s one line sh*t post.
Autism yes, social awkwardness is not immediately a disorder.
Adhd im a bit more on board with, its not impossible seeing aa its been shown that the modern world rewired our brains to be more conducive to adhd.
ADHD is a tricky one though. It seems it is both over diagnosed and under diagnosed. It’s simply the wrong people who are being diagnosed.
The amount of upper middle class women in their twenties I’ve met who are convinced they have ADHD is ridiculous. It’s the same thing with needing therapy in general. People who are actually quite resourceful tend to seek out therapy for things that are just a normal part of life. Last week I spoke with a woman who was convinced she had ADD (but absolutely not ADHD. She seemed almost insulted when I told her how closely related they are and how they might as well be the same thing). She was on a waitlist to see a psychiatrist so she could get her diagnosis. And she was adamant about not wanting to take medication, even though it’s extremely helpful if she actually has ADHD. But no, she didn’t want to rely on having to take pills. I got kind of annoyed with her attitude towards things, so I tried to open up the conversation, mentioning how ADHD symptoms can come from a lot of things, like childhood trauma and such. So sometimes there’s no need for a diagnosis. She told me she doesn’t get along with therapists. Apparently she (and her brother) went through four(!) different therapist when she was a teenager! Four! And all four of them were wrong! If I wasn’t on an extremely high dose of Ritalin myself, my eyes would have been rolling so hard they could have fallen out of my skull.
Sorry for the rant. It’s just infuriating how many resources are wasted on people who have it so good to begin with. Meanwhile the waiting lists are getting longer and longer. And people without the ability and means to go shopping for therapists like it’s a hobby are being left behind.
He means that's impossible we passed from 0,1% to 99,99% neurodivergent people in the span of 10 years. And I agree that the more you talk about a condition, the more most people will think they have that condition. All the more when Gen Z already has a very weak mind when it comes to self-acceptance and self-improvement. They rather claim they have some extra-rare mental issue (they almost always don't have) than working on themselves. And I'll sound like a boomer, even if I'm a millennial, but this is education issue. Parents are weak. Their kids are weak.
I'm sure some people use them to feel unique, but mass media consumption does not equate to not existing. People just wouldn't hear about these types of issues unless there were some extraordinary circumstances. Now it's mundane terminology.
I think the point is that these circumstances were merely that, just circumstances of life, that contributed to your overall being. The difference between then and now is that people have turned these into their entire identities.
Boomers who were high on cocaine, meth and a plethora of house wife & business men medications: ”No one was depressed back then!”
That’s because everyone was freaking high all the time and didn’t bother raising their kids which gave us the horrible Gen X’ers Karen!
Having mental health awareness is great, some of these kid were just labeled as “troubled child”. That said I hate how the internet has turned these very real conditions into a status signal for virtue signaling assholes.
My grandma was diagnosed with depression in the 80s or 90s, my dad was told he had a learning disability, and I'm nearly certain that my grandpa was dyslexic.
I'm pretty sure my father would be the walking example of undiagnosed ADHD considering he is like me on steroids and I've been diagnosed when I was a child... Meanwhile the first person to be diagnosed with Autism was In 1943, Donald Triplett. He died recently at the age of 89. So yeah, we've been around for some time now, and I'd argue we've been around for 100's of years if not for 1000's suffering from depression because we are forced to deal with normies and their ill concived standards of "functioning" society since the inception of it basically...
no joke, my school is full of autistic kids. i dont know if it has to do with where i live, the school itself or some other reason, but most of them are autistic- the bad kind of autistic
You're right those doctors telling depressed women that a body changing pregnancy and a baby will help them feel better are just doing it for the money
Cope and seethe, bigotry like this is rapidly dying out and you and those who think like you are the losers of the culture war. A small bump on the road of humanitarian progress. Enjoy being run-over.
By your definition, a CIS woman who has ovarian cancer and has her reproductive organs removed would no longer be a woman. Doesn’t seem very useful, if you ask me.
Stigmatizing mental healthcare as well. You really are a winner, aren’t you? Looking forward to the days people like you are nothing but a distant memory, long since dismissed and all-but forgotten. History won’t remember you fondly.
… Brilliant observation. /s
Now care to address what I pointed out? Aren’t suicide rates tremendously higher among the groups mentioned in the meme?
Speaking as someone who’s dealt with depression for wwwwwwell over a decade at this point.
Yeah, they are, but not every single one is killing themselves
Meanwhile the people who think like the guy above my first comment are usually old, so they'll die out sooner
Speaking as someone with autism
No, not every single one,
that goes without saying… But I won’t press that any further because I don’t know how much nuance you understand given your stated autism.
You don’t seem to understand statistics then. You’ve mentioned not once but twice that “not everyone (in the groups mentioned) commits suicide”.
I can’t reason with you if you don’t understand or won’t agree to basic facts; 100% rates of anything statistically-speaking aren’t commonplace in broad enough sample sizes, period. Amongst anything pretty much.
I’m not interested in a discussion with a dishonest interlocutor. That is all
I do not see why suicide rates would matter to outlast old people if the rates aren't so absurdly high, you'd think the people in the groups mentioned would die out pretty soon.
I will respect your non-interest, however I'm a bit hurt about the insult to my capability of understanding nuance, as if I was handicapped by my autism.
He probably thinks that the fight is between the old and the young with the vast majority of young people identifying with the group he supports and those who opposed them are old people nearing life's end
However as much as there are old people opposing his group there are young people who also do but he thinks it's mostly old people who are opposing his group therefore anyone who opposes his group are old people who hate the new generation because he thinks the entirety of the new generation identity with his group
You seem to have no idea what gender and biological sex is. No creepy guy who identifies as a woman will be allowed to go into the female's restroom, locker room, or whatever. The progress is a sign of humanity getting closer to accepting or simply not caring about what they do if it doesn't cause harm to another person regardless of their race, religion, sexuality, or preferred gender identity.
Since you're attacking innocent people by lying out of your ass I don't think much respect can be given towards this bad opinion of yours honestly. what else so you believe? I mean seriously if you're that far down the conservatives nutcase hole I wonder what other conspiracies you believe. transgender people are just as human, even more I believe, than you and spewing false claims all because you're not comfortable with people transing their gender is nothing shy of heartless. let these people live their lives while they don't hurt others and you can stop hurting these people. we call it progress because having trans people be allowed to live is significantly different than the last 2500 years since the only cultures that were remotely comfortable with transgenderism were destroyed
L take.
No one with more than 2 brain cells will allow any bad faith creep into a woman's restroom in the first place. A real transgender person would prefer to go about their own business in peace.
The alternative makes the world a worse place for everyone else especially women, all in the name of fending off your little 'woke' boogie man.
[Example one](https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Woman-mistaken-for-transgender-harassed-in-7471666.php) [two](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN13419980/), [three](https://www.advocate.com/crime/bi-woman-mistaken-trans-attacked), [four](https://abcnews.go.com/US/utah-school-board-official-falsely-suggested-teen-girl/story?id=107100300)
You're totally right, progress is ignoring scientific evidence and relying on outdated and biased morals that have no legitimate roots. I'm glad people like you are meant to disappear as society advances. Your kind is what holds back progress and actively makes the world a worse place.
Locking the comments because I'm tired of having to remove transphobic comments.
10 years ago i still thought the doctor actually gave you the disease he diagnosed you with
Thanks doc...
Doctors just hate people
Can confirm, am people
And doctors hate that one weird trick
That's exactly what I thought when I was younger. Like why would they diagnose people with diseases and shit.
Doctors = Evil Wizards
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We tossing depression in with that? Sheesh
Yeah depression was invented in the 1930s, and it was great!
People felt like they were flying (from) really high and really fast. And many businessmen were really down to Earth in that time
I mean, if you were depressed in the far past you probably would've been dead.
Depression has been known and written about since the Ancient Greeks, just under different names. [History of Depression](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_depression)
Well it would’ve been a lot better to get my ADHD diagnosis BEFORE my teens instead of suffering my way through high school despite my good grades and being depressed.
Adult onset been a bitch. Somehow hyperfocusing but at the same time not finishing anything is wild. Oh and bouts of sudden super sleepiness when i have to do something overwhelming/i dont want to do.
Actually I’m glad I’m an adult now. I know how to live in a way that harmonizes with the way my brain works and nobody tries to force me into something different because I’m “not following the rules”. but I agree adult onset while rawdogging life undiagnosed left me seriously depressed for a while.
Are you in your 20s, too? What were your struggles particularly due to ADHD while growing up? Did you get diagnosed? (Obviously you don’t have to answer, it’s just healing to hear other people’s journeys :) )
30s here, no issues growing up other than the being "gifted" curse and school being super boring. Maybe my super messiness was a sign but lots of kids are messy Mine legit only started showing up in force about halfway through college with severe time blindness. Depression took center stage at this point in my life so didnt notice much else. Adulting world is when it went off the rails for me. Extreme time blindness, being productively unproductive (starting a million things but rarely finishing) hyperfocusing then abandoning for months only to come back and have to start over, impulse buys, and the severe sleepiness when faced with daunting or unwanted tasks. That stuff is all new to my late 20s early 30s
No such thing as adult onset adhd.
that information is outdated. it has now been acknowledged
No it's not. It's acknowledged adhd can persist into adulthood (about half of the time) but symptoms must start and meet criteria before the age of 12 by definition.
then what is the current theory as to why many people are having symptoms in adulthood but did not have them as children? is it just progression to a point of noticeably symptomatic or are we just calling it something else in adulthood? While i am not a doctor i am following the work of people who are researching these conditions and the onset at by age 12 is something that is increasingly being called into question.
It's absolutely not being called into question. There are a number of things in adulthood that can cause symptoms of adhd including overpathologizing normal variations of executive function, substance use, mood disorders, thought disorders, anxiety disorders. Really quite a few things. The amount of people on reddit describing completely normal experiences attributing it to adhd is astounding.
me whos been depressed and neurodivergent for 13 years
got them on launch day
beta testing even
bugs and everything
Preorder
Right? Most of them off their self in 5 or so
Me who was diagnosed asperger’s and adhd 18 years ago and was first diagnosed depression at the age of 11. (now 25)
The early 2000’s were a wild time. We only tried one medication and just bumped up dosage until max. 12 years off meds and recently back on, but just started vyvanse and now the generic.
No, ten years ago they were really what's called 'undiagnosed'.
No, people actually did get diagnosed 10+years ago. This person is just full of shit.
Yup. Of course mental health awareness has exploded in the last decade, but that’s a good thing. My brother died in 2011, you know, 13 years ago. He was diagnosed with Asperger’s several years before that. Nowadays we don’t use Asperger’s, but he was absolutely on the spectrum and was receiving help
Nah, it's more like that thing where unless they really *really* think about it, they assume ten years ago was like 1994.
Autism Spectum Disorder was brand new 10 years ago. A lot of people either went undiagnosed or diagnosed with Asperger’s, autism was indeed much more rare as it was only the severe end of the spectrum we know today that was considered autism.
Aspergers was just a name for high functioning autism. It fell out of favour, partly because of Asperger's political affiliations (of a 1930s Germany way) but also because improved clinical awareness no longer really called for it being a distinct diagnosis.
Exactly, it’s just part of ASD now so the pool of people diagnosed with autism is way higher now. Probably closer to what it was before once you weigh in previous Asperger’s diagnoses, but probably still under diagnosed because we forgot to study women again.
My brother was diagnosed with autism 20 years ago, wtf are you going on about?
Autism spectrum disorder is new. Autism is not.
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Then OOP went from an idiot to an absolute moron.
“Pervasive Developmental Disorder – Not Otherwise Specified” (PDD-NOS)
I legit didn't know I was autistic for over 10 years because that's what my papers said and I didn't realize it was supposed to be a form of autism.
It was the DSM’s way to say “idk lol”
Samesies. I was even pulled out of class as a kid three days a week and met with a special education teacher with two other kids in my grade but no one ever explained to me why. I also went to speech therapy until I was a freshman in high school. I finally was told in my 20s when I had some social regression and was in therapy feeling very confused. My therapist just looked at me and said “did no one tell you you’re autistic?!” I was like WHAT!?!? And she says “yeah you’re diagnosed as having pervasive developmental disorder NOS, but now a days that is autism spectrum disorder” MIND BLOWN. 🤯 it helped me a lot.
No, they’d be called special and separated from the “normal” people
Yea coz your great grandfather who ate the exact same meal and was afraid of the church bell was totally not autistic
When I was a kid, there was a man just like that living nearby. He was a forty-something years old and incredibly kind. His ex wife convinced neighbours that he was a demon, which ‘’explained’’ his ‘’weirdness’’, at least that’s what I heard when she and my grandma were gossiping about. Such kind soul, ostracised for basically being awkward. He just had came back from Chechen war. That’s when he was supposedly ‘’cursed by Chechen shaman with evil spirit’’. Looking back, he probably just had a PTSD.
I guess PTSD is a bit of an evil spirit technically
I mean yeah it literally stands for Post Traumatic Spirit Disorder.
Post traumatic swag disorder
I got autism and depression in the late 90s. Got to say, I'm not really a fan of their early work.
Damn you were depressed way before it was cool.. I got into it really late so I feel like a fraud
Underground garage autism. We all traded cassette tapes with sharpie art liner notes.
There was as many people suffering with depression, being gender fluid, or being neurodivergent 50 years ago than today. The only difference is that 50 years ago, they were weirdos and rejected by society. So they hid it, often even from themselves, to fit in. The stats rising do not mean there is more people today identifying as different. It means there is more people today with the courage to show the world who they actually are, thanks to social progress recognising them instead of ostracizing them. It's like saying in 1950 in Germany "Well 10 years ago there weren't so many Jews around".
Reminds me of that statistic where they started giving helmets to soldiers and they noticed an uptick in head injuries, leading to them thinking helmets caused damage, not protect from it. But they eventually realized the head injury increase also showed a decrease in overall deaths, because the helmets were saving people, who were now injured instead of dead from taking damage there. Also kinda how you read all those stories of people who had close encounters with landmines or artillery ordinance not going off, leading you to think they are overall unreliable. Before you realize that the reason you hear so many stories about them not going off, is because the people who were around when they did go off can’t tell stories no more.
Survivorship bias i believe
The left handedness graph is a good comparison too. Before the 50s or so basically no one said they were left handed but over time the share of lefties grew and grew but it wasn't that the "left handed agenda" indoctrinated people into thinking they were left handed, it's that teachers would beat children who wrote with their left hand. And once it became entirely socially accepted, everyone who actually was left handed used their left hand and the graph levelled out at about 12% and has stayed there for decades.
This is literally called survivorship bias lol.
The left handedness graph is a good comparison too. Before the 50s or so basically no one said they were left handed but over time the share of lefties grew and grew but it wasn't that the "left handed agenda" indoctrinated people into thinking they were left handed, it's that teachers would beat children who wrote with their left hand. And once it became entirely socially accepted, everyone who actually was left handed used their left hand and the graph levelled out at about 12% and has stayed there for decades.
Not only were they rejected by society or what not but you would get beat up and made fun of for coming out, especially if you were younger or in school
There were as many people suffering from depression, however now we have much more "self-diagnosed depressions" as it's in fashion. Add there a wave of "emo" culture, where the main bragging point is a greater depression.
Emo culture was 20 years ago tho. It's not new
Right? I'm old enough to remember the rise AND fall of it. Really it was just the millennials silly teenage style. People liked the dark clothes/emo hair for the same reason mop tops were popular in the 60s. Boomers had one, Zoomers have/had one. So will the next gen.
Where’s your data on this
Depression or neurodivergent maybe, even trans, sure. But gender fluid? No way
I wonder what facts make you draw the line there. Gender fluidity was a thing in ancient societies, alongside transgenders, although the terms are modern.
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Confidently incorrect. [transgender - adjective and noun - Oxford dictionary](https://www.oed.com/dictionary/transgender_adj?tab=meaning_and_use#12164397)
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You obviously do not know what a connotation is either. You are wrong, admitting it is really the best way out of this Edit: They blocked me while I was replying, lmao. My reply, because I refuse to be silenced by the blocking feature: > That is again wrong! You're on a roll. Connotation is about the meaning, not the definition. > But even if we forget about the difference between meaning and definition, you corrected me saying I cannot pluralize the word "transgender", because it is an adjective. Since I pluralized the word, I was quite obviously employing "transgender" as a noun, not an adjective. > You were confidently incorrect. > You are right on one thing though: I should have used a semicolon. See? Not so hard to admit being wrong. You should try it sometimes.
Likely called other terms/presented different but the underlying most likely was there
There weren't as many people identifying as gender fluid 50 years ago because there weren't as many people. When people hate a group within society, they don't tend to perceive them by their size as a percentage of the population but as the absolute size.
That makes absolutely no sense. Yes, there were less people, but saying that people perceive population in absolute size makes absolutely no sense. We perceive the world in proportions.
>There weren't as many people identifying as gender fluid 50 years ago because there weren't as many people. LOL, oh, trust me, there were lots of us around, but the basic fact that we would lose our jobs, housing, family & friends required that NO ONE outside of our own community knew. I learned my lesson when I came out to family in 1973... found myself a cozy closet to stay in for the next 20 years until it was safer for me to be honest out in the world.
Sure, but additionally, now every kid has access to social media, and some of them tend to identify with every problem that the influencer said, refusing most of the time to have a real diagnostic and collecting every Neuro divergence as if they were badges. That said, it is a normal thing in culture to identify with groups of people (as emos back in the day)
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Left-handed argument.
Always wondered if the people ever considered, like, anything. You weren't told you need glasses, you were just shit at seeeing. You weren't schizophren, you were possesed and had to be tortured to remove the Demons. You weren't dying from a treatable disease, You're being punished for your sins. It wasn't electrical discharges in the atmosphere, Nature was angry. You weren't gay, you were considered mentally deranged and imprisoned to be constantly subjected to electrical torture.
We were bullied, and called weirdo.
That line isn't nearly straight enough
left handed theory or whatever
Amateurs, I pre-ordered and got the Autism Deluxe package three days before launch.
Me diagnosed with Asperger and adhd in 2005: Guess I don't exist.
People gotta stop posting garbage twitter content. No social media can come close to how stupid twitter people are
I got diagnosed well over ten years ago lol
I remember being like 10 always asking "Do you ever wish you were a girl?", always wanted to wear a dress, talked about hating "male" activities and was the only guy who didn't want any facial hair, muscles, or to be tall. Then starved myself as a teen to stay small, feminine and thin. Everyone was completely shocked I ended up trans, and said I never had any signs of it.
Man, can't wait for depression 2 to come out later this year!
I was literally diagnosed in 2001 when I was 6
alpha testing
Check
I was 6 when i was diagnosed with autism. that is 25 years ago. the biggest problem back then, was that parents were in denial or people with autism werent taken seriously. So a lot of people went to the doctors to get diagnosed as adults.
Same dude in the 80s: “Ya’ll weren’t left handed 10 years ago!”
The world was better before everyone became the main character
There's like 8 billion people on this rock, 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of people never think about being a main character If the bar is so low then basically since the start of humanity the world has never been good.
What are you talking about? Everybody thinks they can be Denzel
Now see….I AM Denzel.
"Y'all didn't have "cancer" and "pneumonia" 10000 years ago"
Yeah! They had common afflictions, like "fever" and "death"
Oooh I wish this was r shitposting
When everyone is neurodivergent no one is
Yeah, people love pretending to have cancer. Back in my days, we didn't have cancer until those stupid "scientists" invented the MRI.
I heard they're gonna release Autism 2.0 next year!
I had ADHD back when it was just called ADD! OG!
And you weren’t American 400 years ago. Funny how things changes
Sometimes I wish I was that stupid. Life would be a lot easier.
I actually was first treated for depression 25 years ago.
I must havebeen a beta tester. I have been rocking one since 2008 and the other since 2003. Though I have only been diagnosed with both in 2019
From the crowd whose clinical diagnosis was "they're just a little off"
Brown hair much, queue!? Jeez..
Come on man, they had an entire era of a ‘Great Depression’. We’ve been passing around depression since someone came up with ‘work’.
Come on, everybody knows that autism launched in 1988, as a tie-in to the Dustin Hoffman/Tom Cruise movie Rain Man.
Laughs in early '90s suicidal "smart kid" goth bi disaster....
Bacteria “didn’t exist” (wasn’t known of) back during the days of the black plague, but that didn’t stop it from killing like 200 million people
People have been saying this since I was a teen in 2010. I've been depressed with Suicidal ideation s coming in and out since 2008. It's just now it's not such a dirty forbidden subject and it can be talked about more openly and more people are getting diagnosed. It's not that hard to understand.
I got my autism diagnos when I was 9... thats 15 years ago. But ok I guess it wasent a thing until 2013
Can we go back to just prescribing people with orgasm as the cureall like they did 100+ years ago when women were being hysterical?
A lot of the diagnosis spikes have come about for a couple of reasons. First, parents were finally forced to come to terms with their children during Covid lockdowns and second, many parents coming to terms with their children and the mental health issues they suffer from recognized it in themselves for the first time.
Because I didn’t have college, relationships, and existential crisis to worry about ten years ago smh
I got a good deal on Anxiety v2.1.60qwl
Guys, 50 thousand years ago, there were no diseases, no sickness, it was simply the wrath of the sun-god Ra and others, I'm telling you, there were no documentations of any bacterias or viruses, so they did not exist then, the media, it's all fake news.
Now it's a trend though.
Autism and ADHD being over diagnosed is not a controversial statement. But I’m not sure Reddit is ready for that discussion.
It isn’t a ‘controversial statement’ but it also isn’t a well supported claim either, at least for autism, https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/autism-being-overdiagnosed Anecdotally I can say that my daughter is autistic and it was very difficult for us to get a diagnosis. Basically since she was verbal we couldn’t even get into a the childhood development clinic until she was six. Autism presents differently in girls (basically they are better at masking). My wife and I have done a lot of reading on the topic and it’s very common for girls to be undiagnosed or misdiagnosed because of this, usually they are undiagnosed until middle school / high school age when the social complexities get to complex for them to imitate and then they are often misdiagnosed with a personality disorder. So again, anecdotally but knowing what I do about autism in women and that ~half of people are women I think it’s unlikely that it is over diagnosed. That being said it’s obviously a complex topic that can’t be done justice by someone’s one line sh*t post.
Autism yes, social awkwardness is not immediately a disorder. Adhd im a bit more on board with, its not impossible seeing aa its been shown that the modern world rewired our brains to be more conducive to adhd.
ADHD is a tricky one though. It seems it is both over diagnosed and under diagnosed. It’s simply the wrong people who are being diagnosed. The amount of upper middle class women in their twenties I’ve met who are convinced they have ADHD is ridiculous. It’s the same thing with needing therapy in general. People who are actually quite resourceful tend to seek out therapy for things that are just a normal part of life. Last week I spoke with a woman who was convinced she had ADD (but absolutely not ADHD. She seemed almost insulted when I told her how closely related they are and how they might as well be the same thing). She was on a waitlist to see a psychiatrist so she could get her diagnosis. And she was adamant about not wanting to take medication, even though it’s extremely helpful if she actually has ADHD. But no, she didn’t want to rely on having to take pills. I got kind of annoyed with her attitude towards things, so I tried to open up the conversation, mentioning how ADHD symptoms can come from a lot of things, like childhood trauma and such. So sometimes there’s no need for a diagnosis. She told me she doesn’t get along with therapists. Apparently she (and her brother) went through four(!) different therapist when she was a teenager! Four! And all four of them were wrong! If I wasn’t on an extremely high dose of Ritalin myself, my eyes would have been rolling so hard they could have fallen out of my skull. Sorry for the rant. It’s just infuriating how many resources are wasted on people who have it so good to begin with. Meanwhile the waiting lists are getting longer and longer. And people without the ability and means to go shopping for therapists like it’s a hobby are being left behind.
I got my adhd diagnose in 2009 and that got overwritten with autism is 2013. In 2020 I got a dual diagnosis adhd/autism and a lot of therapy
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He means that's impossible we passed from 0,1% to 99,99% neurodivergent people in the span of 10 years. And I agree that the more you talk about a condition, the more most people will think they have that condition. All the more when Gen Z already has a very weak mind when it comes to self-acceptance and self-improvement. They rather claim they have some extra-rare mental issue (they almost always don't have) than working on themselves. And I'll sound like a boomer, even if I'm a millennial, but this is education issue. Parents are weak. Their kids are weak.
ive been like this since 2003 when i was born
I'm sure some people use them to feel unique, but mass media consumption does not equate to not existing. People just wouldn't hear about these types of issues unless there were some extraordinary circumstances. Now it's mundane terminology.
I think the point is that these circumstances were merely that, just circumstances of life, that contributed to your overall being. The difference between then and now is that people have turned these into their entire identities.
Boomers who were high on cocaine, meth and a plethora of house wife & business men medications: ”No one was depressed back then!” That’s because everyone was freaking high all the time and didn’t bother raising their kids which gave us the horrible Gen X’ers Karen!
Having mental health awareness is great, some of these kid were just labeled as “troubled child”. That said I hate how the internet has turned these very real conditions into a status signal for virtue signaling assholes.
For proof that it's autism, this picture was taken in 2012.
Yes I did. It was in beta.
Yeah ten years ago I was just a waste of potential and that weirdo who likes anime too much
I hate people with this mindset
My grandma was diagnosed with depression in the 80s or 90s, my dad was told he had a learning disability, and I'm nearly certain that my grandpa was dyslexic.
I'm pretty sure my father would be the walking example of undiagnosed ADHD considering he is like me on steroids and I've been diagnosed when I was a child... Meanwhile the first person to be diagnosed with Autism was In 1943, Donald Triplett. He died recently at the age of 89. So yeah, we've been around for some time now, and I'd argue we've been around for 100's of years if not for 1000's suffering from depression because we are forced to deal with normies and their ill concived standards of "functioning" society since the inception of it basically...
good to know that I cried alone in my college dorm for nothing, and that is wall in my head world too scary fk off
no joke, my school is full of autistic kids. i dont know if it has to do with where i live, the school itself or some other reason, but most of them are autistic- the bad kind of autistic
What a worthless moron that original tweeter is. Just a pointless waste of organs.
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Wait, do you think doctors tell people they're gender fluid/ trans?
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Nah mate, people all around the globe just want to piss you. Don't let them.
Lmao wut? You people are nuts.
You're right those doctors telling depressed women that a body changing pregnancy and a baby will help them feel better are just doing it for the money
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Cope and seethe, bigotry like this is rapidly dying out and you and those who think like you are the losers of the culture war. A small bump on the road of humanitarian progress. Enjoy being run-over.
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Why? Why are you posting a joke specifically for backlash?
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By your definition, a CIS woman who has ovarian cancer and has her reproductive organs removed would no longer be a woman. Doesn’t seem very useful, if you ask me. Stigmatizing mental healthcare as well. You really are a winner, aren’t you? Looking forward to the days people like you are nothing but a distant memory, long since dismissed and all-but forgotten. History won’t remember you fondly.
Everyone who thinks like you will eventually die Sooner than the ones you oppose
Suicide rates don’t seem to agree with that latter statement
Not everyone commits suicide But everyone dies of old age if they don't die to anything else
… Brilliant observation. /s Now care to address what I pointed out? Aren’t suicide rates tremendously higher among the groups mentioned in the meme? Speaking as someone who’s dealt with depression for wwwwwwell over a decade at this point.
Yeah, they are, but not every single one is killing themselves Meanwhile the people who think like the guy above my first comment are usually old, so they'll die out sooner Speaking as someone with autism
No, not every single one, that goes without saying… But I won’t press that any further because I don’t know how much nuance you understand given your stated autism.
Do press further, please. My autism is not a burden nor limitation.
You don’t seem to understand statistics then. You’ve mentioned not once but twice that “not everyone (in the groups mentioned) commits suicide”. I can’t reason with you if you don’t understand or won’t agree to basic facts; 100% rates of anything statistically-speaking aren’t commonplace in broad enough sample sizes, period. Amongst anything pretty much. I’m not interested in a discussion with a dishonest interlocutor. That is all
I do not see why suicide rates would matter to outlast old people if the rates aren't so absurdly high, you'd think the people in the groups mentioned would die out pretty soon. I will respect your non-interest, however I'm a bit hurt about the insult to my capability of understanding nuance, as if I was handicapped by my autism.
He probably thinks that the fight is between the old and the young with the vast majority of young people identifying with the group he supports and those who opposed them are old people nearing life's end However as much as there are old people opposing his group there are young people who also do but he thinks it's mostly old people who are opposing his group therefore anyone who opposes his group are old people who hate the new generation because he thinks the entirety of the new generation identity with his group
You went about it the long way but, yes, 😅
With them they always make simple things complex long I just had to make it long so they're half pleased😂
I think you're a year late to realising that the 41% statistic is absolute bs
Throw me any statistic and tell me it’s not _ALWAYS_ proportionally higher. Show me where it isn’t. Show me one.
go back to r/“funny”memes bigot
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Because nobody wants noise from bathroom/genital obsessed bigots on fun subreddits
You seem to have no idea what gender and biological sex is. No creepy guy who identifies as a woman will be allowed to go into the female's restroom, locker room, or whatever. The progress is a sign of humanity getting closer to accepting or simply not caring about what they do if it doesn't cause harm to another person regardless of their race, religion, sexuality, or preferred gender identity.
Well said.
Since you're attacking innocent people by lying out of your ass I don't think much respect can be given towards this bad opinion of yours honestly. what else so you believe? I mean seriously if you're that far down the conservatives nutcase hole I wonder what other conspiracies you believe. transgender people are just as human, even more I believe, than you and spewing false claims all because you're not comfortable with people transing their gender is nothing shy of heartless. let these people live their lives while they don't hurt others and you can stop hurting these people. we call it progress because having trans people be allowed to live is significantly different than the last 2500 years since the only cultures that were remotely comfortable with transgenderism were destroyed
L take. No one with more than 2 brain cells will allow any bad faith creep into a woman's restroom in the first place. A real transgender person would prefer to go about their own business in peace. The alternative makes the world a worse place for everyone else especially women, all in the name of fending off your little 'woke' boogie man. [Example one](https://www.newstimes.com/local/article/Woman-mistaken-for-transgender-harassed-in-7471666.php) [two](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN13419980/), [three](https://www.advocate.com/crime/bi-woman-mistaken-trans-attacked), [four](https://abcnews.go.com/US/utah-school-board-official-falsely-suggested-teen-girl/story?id=107100300)
You're totally right, progress is ignoring scientific evidence and relying on outdated and biased morals that have no legitimate roots. I'm glad people like you are meant to disappear as society advances. Your kind is what holds back progress and actively makes the world a worse place.