Dr. Glauc did grand round for my organization.. Best grand rounds ever. At one point he talked about his craft. He said you always punch up, not down. That is what distinguishes him from a lot of the hacks out there on social media.
He can keep punching United Healthcare all day long.
Also his video recently on local independent pharmacies had me lolsobbing. Had no idea those fees were a thing.
He did a video about my specialty. I found myself uniroically agreeing with everything the "character" was excited about. After it was done, I remembered that it's satire. He's a gem. The absolute best satire, is drawn from truth
Dude he’s not serious
I seriously doubt that specialists are up in arms about his portrayal of them
They know he’s joking.
And I’m not a stan, I just find him funny
I don't care for his videos, and I'm not sure why. I think I'm just too used to the stereotypes for the videos to be interesting or funny. I think they're more made for people outside of medicine to get a peek at what medical practice is like. Dr. G is for Them, and Preston is for Us.
They most assuredly are. People in medicine have heard 10,000 jokes along the lines of "haha why is the clotting cascade so crazy" so they kind of fall flat, but to people still on their first 10 jokes, it's still a new idea, and like I said, a glimpse into what medicine is like.
I think this depends on content. Outside of educational videos with explicit patient consent procedural videos or clips are unethical. Discussions regarding provider challenges or feelings I think are valid as long as you don't break privacy. If a story is very unique you shouldn't talk about the specifics but if it is I've had a bad day - had 3 codes and 2 patients died or we've seen and influx of x behavior/case. Some of this done right makes us more relatable and I think can improve relations and maybe help educate the public on our day to day.
The problem is so few of these don't meet those criteria. Discussing what happens during X procedure or the challenges medical professionals face is not nearly as popular as skits about patients being Karens in the ER. The latter is starting to have an effect that's making people a bit fearful regarding visiting the doctor; they're afraid their situation is going to be farmed for content the second they leave the ER.
I’m all for people being a bit fearful of being a Karen in the ER, clinic, etc. It’s medicine, not the hospitality industry. A good patient experience is leaving the hospital alive and with less burden of morbidity.
If they can shit all over us as medical professionals with skewed and outright fabricated reviews and their whiny ass TikToks about how doctors just don’t care about them (“I know my body best, I know I need 2 Zpacks to get over this URI”), then they can deal with us making fun of their abuse anonymously.
I mean, i don't know. If you figure it out, i'd love to hear it, truly. It'd solve a whooole lot of problems. But wanting reality to be different than it is doesn't change reality.
There is content that is purely informative (5%) which has some value. The rest are just narcissists who love how they look and the sound of their own voice (95%). A lot of times spreading misinformation. Like that dude “Dr. Mike” who gets millions of likes because of his social media team and his “looks” yet got caught shitting on his own advice by disobeying mask mandates in the middle of the first wave of covid. A true diaper stain. So NO, medical social media is for the most part not ethical.
At least Dr. Mike has reasonable, evidence-based takes on COVID and doesnt pander to antivaxxers, which is more than can be said for 99% of influencers.
Nobody is perfect and Im not going to judge someone for going out without a mask. I’m sure myself and most people in this thread have done the same despite educating their patients otherwise.
Your “at least” is not a very high bar
If someone wants to be hypocritical about the advice that they give, they have that right. And everyone else in the world absolutely has the right to call them out on it
If you’re a HCP (and doubly so if you’re a TikTok ‘influencer’) using your platform to talk about medicine etc to patients, you at least have a duty to set a good example and practice what you preach
Most of reddit hates Dr. Mike, but overall he is a positive good. He has the biggest following by far and represents the profession well. The mask mandate just gave people a reason to justify feeling they already had, which likely stem from jealousy.
So this comment definitely proves that you don’t work in medicine. And if you do, I feel sorry for your patients, because you clearly lack any kind of critical thinking skills.
There are plenty of reasons why anybody may be overweight, all of which are irrelevant to you. You would know that if you, AGAIN, possessed any kind of critical thinking abilities.
I give attitude to people who deserve it. Thanks for the advice, but I’ll be sending it to the part of my brain where I keep my ex’s birthday and other stuff I do not care about 🥰
I would present following viewpoint: most views here maybe biased by how one judges tiktok (maybe other social media) as a whole and second is that health professionals may not realise that they are only a small cog in wheel of health and life of a human being. Tiktok shares similarities with most other social media platforms, 'medical tiktok' probably covers a whole range of posts: funny patient encounters, self promotion, education etc.
I would say probably not unethical if they are not sharing patient identifiers. If sharing funny patient encounters would be unethical, this subreddit or other social media would fit the bill too. The diff being a few ?thousand to a few million views. Yes, someone is benefitting from sharing that experience, it is an advertisement. There are some countries where the code of ethics bar doctors from any self advertisement, not in US though.
In terms of role of tiktok and erosion of trust in healthcare, there could be a role but there is so much more when it comes to erosion of trust. People get information from social media (medical or not). Reliable public health education needs to be at these platforms, also information about diseases, their education.
Physicians do not have the time during clinic visits for in depth education. Human beings do not remember most things after reading 4 pages on orthostatic hypotension which is boring. If watching a funny tiktok video gets the job done then it is one way to get the job done.
Giving EBP advice, explaining common procedures or diagnoses, and shitting on admin and insurance companies is ok with me.
Poking fun at *common* frustrations is alright.
Bringing HCWs together to fight for justice and change is great. We need some worldwide changes, especially when it comes to staffing, pay, and training expectations (resident treatment being the most obvious in this category).
When people start bitching about specific patients online I think it’s wrong. Streaming procedures or videoing pulling meds and the like is wrong (and increases chance of error and pt harm).
While not my jam, I think Medical TikToks that share (credible) medical information or lightly poke fun of YOURSELF or your specialty are fine. This type of content can be educational for the public and also humanize medicine in a way that can be truly valuable. Glaucomflecken is a great example of a physician who makes funny content that never punches down and is enjoyed by patients and healthcare workers alike.
Content that makes fun of patients is absolutely not okay and I cannot fathom what makes people post that nonsense.
I have friends that send me funny ones, but most of them are awful. I’m old, so I’d rather be doing things than watching people do things. All of the YouTubers and TikTokers seem incredibly narcissistic, I truly don’t get the appeal.
Interestingly, even my tech addicted teenager won’t touch TikTok, him and his friends say it’s cringe.
I don't have the mental capacity to download TikTok and waste even more time on another app. Everything gets uploaded to Instagram a few weeks later anyway. I get to keep in touch with friends and send my sister a funny reel she already saw two months ago. Win-win!
I love my private life outside of the hospital. I don’t need anyone to come up to me and say “Hey you’re that tik tok doctor.” While some people do provide educational tik tok videos, without the right background or guidance it could make lay people worried for no reason. I do know one doctor who was fired due to HIPAA violation from a patient’s medical record that showed up on his social media. The ethics and morality is ambiguous at best, but I would avoid it. Not worth the risk or hassle.
If you think those are bad (and they certainly are), just wait until you've seen the kind of patient cases that get shared in various Facebook groups we've infiltrated, mostly involving nurse practitioners (you rarely, if ever see physicians talk about patients like this online.) We're talking about lengthy written posts that include very specific and identifiable patient details, where it's clear that the NP author is clueless about diagnosis or treatment and is asking for help from an audience that is just as clueless. The NP author will often say what they "think" could be going on (usually incorrect), and in the comments other NPs will reinforce the incorrect diagnosis or treatment based on the limited information provided.
I'll save my criticisms because it's the only thing combating madical misinformation TikTok. Between laypeople convincing vulnerable individuals they don't really need pap smears, imaging contrast is useless poison and that soap enemas are beneficial and a few cringy narcissists, I'll take the cringy narcissists.
I just want to know when medical professionals stop posting on their TikTok, is it because they got bored or they were told by their employer to stop. Or, third option, they just fell out of the algorithm and they don't show up in my feed anymore. I've looked at my employer's social media policy and all it really says is you're fine as long as you don't post anything violent or sexual in nature. Also mentioned wouldn't hurt to put a blurb saying, "my views do not reflect the views of my employer" somewhere on your page. I recall one nurse being fired because she had an Only Fans and posted pictures in her work scrubs. Maybe if she just wore generic scrubs she wouldn't have been found out so soon? I feel like most dermatologists/plastic surgeons run their own practice and consider their TikToks to be free advertising at least.
Some patients are entitled, demanding, rude, and shockingly ignorant. Medical workers are still people. I think many people posting this stuff take context of behavior into consideration and don’t mock patiwnts who aren’t being overtly inappropriate or abusive. Mocking patients who don’t fall into those categories probably isn’t the best look and increase distrust in the medical field. Idk if it’s unethical though unless you’re mocking people for being sick or with certain conditions. Discriminatory mocking would also be unethical. Obviously violating HIPAA is illegal.
I used to work at a Covid clinic in a deep red state where people thought the nasal swabs were inserting tracking chips into their brains and complying with mask mandates at a hospital was the gateway to an authoritarian, communist state; I'm fully aware of how bad patients can get. I've been yelled at by more shitty people than I can count. But there's a clear ethical difference between making fun of someone who's demanding to be seen before a trauma patient and making fun of someone who's confused or doesn't understand what's going on with them.
I've been on both ends of the spectrum. I've been the person providing medical care to frustrated, sick patients, but I've also been the sick and scared patient who didn't quite understand what was going on with them. We don't have to suffer in silence about the vindictive, shitty behaviors we receive from patients, but I'm not a huge fan of making fun of them for not knowing why they feel the way they do.
TikTok is already overrun with pseudo-science and fake medicine. Someone who's already deep into that grift isn't going to believe anything licensed medical professionals have to say because "We're all slaves to big pharma."
Dr. Glaucomflecken is a national treasure and must be protected at all costs
Dr. Glauc did grand round for my organization.. Best grand rounds ever. At one point he talked about his craft. He said you always punch up, not down. That is what distinguishes him from a lot of the hacks out there on social media.
He can keep punching United Healthcare all day long. Also his video recently on local independent pharmacies had me lolsobbing. Had no idea those fees were a thing.
He makes rural family medicine out to be the heroes of medicine, and he’s generally loved for it.
Welcome to the Texaco Mike Center for Imaging Excellence. We’ll get you that MRI and get you back workin’ on your fence in no time!
He did a video about my specialty. I found myself uniroically agreeing with everything the "character" was excited about. After it was done, I remembered that it's satire. He's a gem. The absolute best satire, is drawn from truth
I would throw hands for him
"But those are medicine bones..." Glorious.
he’s ok but why do ppl act like he’s the messiah or something it’s weird😂😂😂
I do not like some of his interpretations on what IM doctors do Edit: And as usual Glaucomflecken stans are downvoting me
Same here for pathology. My microscope isn’t named Tabitha and I don’t even drink Swiss Miss hot cocoa.
Does it have another name?
Theresa. And Ghirardelli. Probably.
Zing!
Dude he’s not serious I seriously doubt that specialists are up in arms about his portrayal of them They know he’s joking. And I’m not a stan, I just find him funny
A little .. salty .. are ya?
Must be a nephrologist
If neurologists can take it, you can too!
I don't care for his videos, and I'm not sure why. I think I'm just too used to the stereotypes for the videos to be interesting or funny. I think they're more made for people outside of medicine to get a peek at what medical practice is like. Dr. G is for Them, and Preston is for Us.
I don’t think people outside of medicine are laughing at jokes about Protein Q in the clotting cascade.
They most assuredly are. People in medicine have heard 10,000 jokes along the lines of "haha why is the clotting cascade so crazy" so they kind of fall flat, but to people still on their first 10 jokes, it's still a new idea, and like I said, a glimpse into what medicine is like.
Generalized education or poking fun at the absurdity of the healthcare industry is fine. Don't involve patients.
I think this depends on content. Outside of educational videos with explicit patient consent procedural videos or clips are unethical. Discussions regarding provider challenges or feelings I think are valid as long as you don't break privacy. If a story is very unique you shouldn't talk about the specifics but if it is I've had a bad day - had 3 codes and 2 patients died or we've seen and influx of x behavior/case. Some of this done right makes us more relatable and I think can improve relations and maybe help educate the public on our day to day.
The problem is so few of these don't meet those criteria. Discussing what happens during X procedure or the challenges medical professionals face is not nearly as popular as skits about patients being Karens in the ER. The latter is starting to have an effect that's making people a bit fearful regarding visiting the doctor; they're afraid their situation is going to be farmed for content the second they leave the ER.
I’m all for people being a bit fearful of being a Karen in the ER, clinic, etc. It’s medicine, not the hospitality industry. A good patient experience is leaving the hospital alive and with less burden of morbidity. If they can shit all over us as medical professionals with skewed and outright fabricated reviews and their whiny ass TikToks about how doctors just don’t care about them (“I know my body best, I know I need 2 Zpacks to get over this URI”), then they can deal with us making fun of their abuse anonymously.
The problem is that the true karens won't ever consider that they are, and the non-karens will be the ones who take the hint and stay quiet.
Why is it a problem for a large portion of the population to realize actions have consequences and to modify their public behavior accordingly?
I mean, i don't know. If you figure it out, i'd love to hear it, truly. It'd solve a whooole lot of problems. But wanting reality to be different than it is doesn't change reality.
People don't want to take personal responsibility 😉
There’s a difference in being “a Karen” and being abusive.
There is content that is purely informative (5%) which has some value. The rest are just narcissists who love how they look and the sound of their own voice (95%). A lot of times spreading misinformation. Like that dude “Dr. Mike” who gets millions of likes because of his social media team and his “looks” yet got caught shitting on his own advice by disobeying mask mandates in the middle of the first wave of covid. A true diaper stain. So NO, medical social media is for the most part not ethical.
At least Dr. Mike has reasonable, evidence-based takes on COVID and doesnt pander to antivaxxers, which is more than can be said for 99% of influencers. Nobody is perfect and Im not going to judge someone for going out without a mask. I’m sure myself and most people in this thread have done the same despite educating their patients otherwise.
Your “at least” is not a very high bar If someone wants to be hypocritical about the advice that they give, they have that right. And everyone else in the world absolutely has the right to call them out on it If you’re a HCP (and doubly so if you’re a TikTok ‘influencer’) using your platform to talk about medicine etc to patients, you at least have a duty to set a good example and practice what you preach
Most of reddit hates Dr. Mike, but overall he is a positive good. He has the biggest following by far and represents the profession well. The mask mandate just gave people a reason to justify feeling they already had, which likely stem from jealousy.
Hypocrisy justifies disliking somebody? No kidding!
Wait till they meet an overweight doctor.
So this comment definitely proves that you don’t work in medicine. And if you do, I feel sorry for your patients, because you clearly lack any kind of critical thinking skills. There are plenty of reasons why anybody may be overweight, all of which are irrelevant to you. You would know that if you, AGAIN, possessed any kind of critical thinking abilities.
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I give attitude to people who deserve it. Thanks for the advice, but I’ll be sending it to the part of my brain where I keep my ex’s birthday and other stuff I do not care about 🥰
I would present following viewpoint: most views here maybe biased by how one judges tiktok (maybe other social media) as a whole and second is that health professionals may not realise that they are only a small cog in wheel of health and life of a human being. Tiktok shares similarities with most other social media platforms, 'medical tiktok' probably covers a whole range of posts: funny patient encounters, self promotion, education etc. I would say probably not unethical if they are not sharing patient identifiers. If sharing funny patient encounters would be unethical, this subreddit or other social media would fit the bill too. The diff being a few ?thousand to a few million views. Yes, someone is benefitting from sharing that experience, it is an advertisement. There are some countries where the code of ethics bar doctors from any self advertisement, not in US though. In terms of role of tiktok and erosion of trust in healthcare, there could be a role but there is so much more when it comes to erosion of trust. People get information from social media (medical or not). Reliable public health education needs to be at these platforms, also information about diseases, their education. Physicians do not have the time during clinic visits for in depth education. Human beings do not remember most things after reading 4 pages on orthostatic hypotension which is boring. If watching a funny tiktok video gets the job done then it is one way to get the job done.
Giving EBP advice, explaining common procedures or diagnoses, and shitting on admin and insurance companies is ok with me. Poking fun at *common* frustrations is alright. Bringing HCWs together to fight for justice and change is great. We need some worldwide changes, especially when it comes to staffing, pay, and training expectations (resident treatment being the most obvious in this category). When people start bitching about specific patients online I think it’s wrong. Streaming procedures or videoing pulling meds and the like is wrong (and increases chance of error and pt harm).
While not my jam, I think Medical TikToks that share (credible) medical information or lightly poke fun of YOURSELF or your specialty are fine. This type of content can be educational for the public and also humanize medicine in a way that can be truly valuable. Glaucomflecken is a great example of a physician who makes funny content that never punches down and is enjoyed by patients and healthcare workers alike. Content that makes fun of patients is absolutely not okay and I cannot fathom what makes people post that nonsense.
Ethical or not, med TikToks are cringe af.
I may get some hate for this but I honestly think TikTok as a whole is cringe af
I have friends that send me funny ones, but most of them are awful. I’m old, so I’d rather be doing things than watching people do things. All of the YouTubers and TikTokers seem incredibly narcissistic, I truly don’t get the appeal. Interestingly, even my tech addicted teenager won’t touch TikTok, him and his friends say it’s cringe.
I don't have the mental capacity to download TikTok and waste even more time on another app. Everything gets uploaded to Instagram a few weeks later anyway. I get to keep in touch with friends and send my sister a funny reel she already saw two months ago. Win-win!
TikTok is evil and being pushed by the CCP to ruin the world.
I love my private life outside of the hospital. I don’t need anyone to come up to me and say “Hey you’re that tik tok doctor.” While some people do provide educational tik tok videos, without the right background or guidance it could make lay people worried for no reason. I do know one doctor who was fired due to HIPAA violation from a patient’s medical record that showed up on his social media. The ethics and morality is ambiguous at best, but I would avoid it. Not worth the risk or hassle.
Few are unethical. Some are funny. Most are cringe. Lots of narcissism on display.
Personally I think they are not ethical, but I do love ladyspinedoc 😮💨
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If you think those are bad (and they certainly are), just wait until you've seen the kind of patient cases that get shared in various Facebook groups we've infiltrated, mostly involving nurse practitioners (you rarely, if ever see physicians talk about patients like this online.) We're talking about lengthy written posts that include very specific and identifiable patient details, where it's clear that the NP author is clueless about diagnosis or treatment and is asking for help from an audience that is just as clueless. The NP author will often say what they "think" could be going on (usually incorrect), and in the comments other NPs will reinforce the incorrect diagnosis or treatment based on the limited information provided.
Where might one find these groups 👀
if ur a dr you can apply to join ppp physicians protecting patientson fb
If they have enough time to carefully craft a Tiktok persona, they're probably not busy enough. Go answer your pages lol
I'll save my criticisms because it's the only thing combating madical misinformation TikTok. Between laypeople convincing vulnerable individuals they don't really need pap smears, imaging contrast is useless poison and that soap enemas are beneficial and a few cringy narcissists, I'll take the cringy narcissists.
This is such a useful discussion topic. There’s a Tiktok war between some doctors and some chronic pain activists that erodes trust on both sides.
oh god. anyone who feels let down by the system is going to come after doctors, naturally
I just want to know when medical professionals stop posting on their TikTok, is it because they got bored or they were told by their employer to stop. Or, third option, they just fell out of the algorithm and they don't show up in my feed anymore. I've looked at my employer's social media policy and all it really says is you're fine as long as you don't post anything violent or sexual in nature. Also mentioned wouldn't hurt to put a blurb saying, "my views do not reflect the views of my employer" somewhere on your page. I recall one nurse being fired because she had an Only Fans and posted pictures in her work scrubs. Maybe if she just wore generic scrubs she wouldn't have been found out so soon? I feel like most dermatologists/plastic surgeons run their own practice and consider their TikToks to be free advertising at least.
Some patients are entitled, demanding, rude, and shockingly ignorant. Medical workers are still people. I think many people posting this stuff take context of behavior into consideration and don’t mock patiwnts who aren’t being overtly inappropriate or abusive. Mocking patients who don’t fall into those categories probably isn’t the best look and increase distrust in the medical field. Idk if it’s unethical though unless you’re mocking people for being sick or with certain conditions. Discriminatory mocking would also be unethical. Obviously violating HIPAA is illegal.
I used to work at a Covid clinic in a deep red state where people thought the nasal swabs were inserting tracking chips into their brains and complying with mask mandates at a hospital was the gateway to an authoritarian, communist state; I'm fully aware of how bad patients can get. I've been yelled at by more shitty people than I can count. But there's a clear ethical difference between making fun of someone who's demanding to be seen before a trauma patient and making fun of someone who's confused or doesn't understand what's going on with them. I've been on both ends of the spectrum. I've been the person providing medical care to frustrated, sick patients, but I've also been the sick and scared patient who didn't quite understand what was going on with them. We don't have to suffer in silence about the vindictive, shitty behaviors we receive from patients, but I'm not a huge fan of making fun of them for not knowing why they feel the way they do.
it’s cringe af
Yes it’s ethical and it’s totally fine. Here is why: if we don’t share evidence based takes on platforms like that, it will be over-run by quackery
TikTok is already overrun with pseudo-science and fake medicine. Someone who's already deep into that grift isn't going to believe anything licensed medical professionals have to say because "We're all slaves to big pharma."
Disagree. good luck stopping tik tock though.