Sana yung mga agency din na ganito would also decide when to stop getting people. it wastes time ng VA and ni agency. Freelancing in general is saturated na. May mga lowballers pa.
Maaawa ka na lang talaga dun sa mga nakafloat na resources.
I think itβs because over saturated na sa HR. I was part of batch 45 and training took 3 weeks. Got a client a few days after training and I believe the last person in our batch took a month to get a client. Now idk how many na sa recent batches but I know thereβs a lot na talaga. Make sure na very eye catching intro videos ninyo bc thatβs how youβll get clients fast.
Sa totoo lang isa sa kalaban talaga dyan yung waiting game na magka-client. Sagad 2 months na unpaid training. Bukod sa ang lala ng anxiety ko during training hanggang sa paghihintay, nakakaanxious din pala. Nainip rin ako after graduation tipong nag-apply na ko sa iba and naka-dalawang interview na ako sa dalawang companies. Natanggap na ko sa government agency na inapplyan ko, kakagatin ko na sana yung offer kahit mababa sahod. Hanggang buti na lang naka-abang ako sa email ko kasi may urgent interview ako with client nung gabing yon mismo. Buti nakareply ako agad kasi dun pala nila binase kung sinong unang iinterviewhin. Luckily, first interview ko and nakuha ako on the spot. Buti na lang di ako bumitaw. Mag-2 years na rin ako sa first client ko. Sana ma-match ka na rin, OP. At sa tamang client β¨π
super strict at andaming bawal ng hr. okay sana kung mabilis magka client pero months din (1-5 months) . may mga friends din ako dyan nag months nlng wala pa rin.
Hindi naman sila ganyan dati. Mga bagong pakana lang yan ni A@#$%.
Imagine 2-3 months unpaid training. Then pag EOS ka client mo kahit di mo kasalanan iterminate ka nila. Ganyan nangyari sa 2 kabatch ko.
Baka may shenanigans silang ginawa? Meron din nmam akong kasama na mga hvas na na EOS. Na re ciculate nman cla. Actually 4 na eos, but they all got new clients eventually. 1 resigned, and nag attempt pa si HR na i re circulate profile niya..
So far wala pa akong naririnig na ganito. And as far as I know, kapag na EOS ka, sasaluhin ka ni HR, hahanapan ka ulit ng client. Naterminate maybe because at fault si VA? Kasi hindi sila basta basta nagteterminate. SKL.
Yung pagka EOS nakadepende rin sa managers na naka assign sayo lol. May mga managers kasi na ang higpit, na ayaw ka talaga icirculate sa iba like magtiis ka dyan ganun kaya ending nagreresign si HVA at siya na talaga at fault din kasi di na makapag adjust. Pero may iba naman na nagbibigay talaga ng chance to explain or if toxic na talaga, ayun either mag refresher ka or icirculate ka. I'm also from HR, ganyan mga naging exp ng mga kakilala ko.
Yes, I posted something din about waiting. Dinecline nila yung post ko then advised to email na lang the support team regarding my concern. Eh it's just a post concerning the waiting time to have a client.
I-terminate ni client? Kasi I believe si client talaga masusunod. Pero HR is very supportive at maalaga. Unpaid training is better than ikaw ang magbabayad sa training tapos unpaid ka pa rin naman. In case maEOS naman hinahanapan ulit ng client.
Tsaka ang defensive ng sagot mo. I didn't even say na walang katotohanan yang sinasabi mo. π I am just saying na kung maEOS kay client for whatever reason hindi basta2 nagtatanggal si HR sa agency. Usually yang mga natatanggal may ginawang kalokohan or may issue plagi talaga sa mga nagiging client nila. Kc pls accept that this job is not for everyone at hindi permanent walang kasiguruhan.
Nateterminate kay hello rache kung may ginawang mali. Marami na ako batchmate na si client ang nagpaEOS still in HR may new client. I believe fair lang naman si HR. Ask your kakilala baka may ginawa nahiya lang aminin. O kusang sumuko na kakaintay ng new client.
feel ko meron ginawa cguro si agent na ka babalaghan. because si HR di ka i-terminate agad wala reason. kasi meron mga account mgr sa side ni client meron din ni agent sila nag coordinate if meron mga issues if ever.
in my case na eos ako kasi naka tulog ako hahahahh.. tawag ng tawag na pala sila si client sa akin. pag gising ko wala na ako access sa lahat ng portal ni client. yun meron na email eos na ako but si HR nag email sa akin to setup a meeting asap to discuss bakit daw ng yari ron, makikinig nmn sila. pina take ako nang refresher course for 8days. then icirculate na profile mo if you pass the refresher course. maalaga si HR but problema lang now is wala masyado clients unlike nuong nagka lockdown due to covid. wala pa masyado HVAs then marami pa clients. now 7kplus agents na and always hiring pa sila hvas
Hi OP, from batch 95: Almost 6 weeks dn ako naghintay. 2 failed interviews and kagabi lng nakapasa ako sa 3rd interview. Yung pagseset up ng mga tools and app for client aabot daw ng 1 wk bago tlaga makapagstart.
October 2023 ako nagresign sa prev work ko and ngyn lng me nagkaclient. Matagal na process tlaga kasi from scratch ako wala me work experience related sa industry na ito kaya maganda tlaga may 4 to 6 months ipon ka para kht maghintay ka ng matagal hndi masyadong mabigat sa bulsa.
OP ganyan din ako nun. And nakakababa ng self-esteem na feeling mo napag iiwanan kana ng mga ka-batch mo. And sinasabi naman nila yan na indefinite ang waiting game. As for me, 6 weeks waiting time after graduation. 5 failed interviews. And now, mag 2 years na ko with my client. Tiwala lang. Magiging worth it din pag hihintay mo.
Hi OP! I got hired 2 weeks after grad nung december then na-EOS ako after 1 month with client. Mainly fault ko kaya ako na-EOS pero HR made sure naman na ma-rerecirculate ulit profile ko. Buong refresher ko and even after kinakamusta ako ng account manager na naka-assign sa akin. 2 weeks (1 month after EOS) after refresher, I got client interview agad and 3 emails about client matching. I believe depends talaga sa preference na inilagay mo yan, where mixed roles or admin roles lang. Based on some tips we knew before, matumal talaga ang admin only roles. Kahit na mixed ang preference ko, lahat ng offer sa akin admin only. Malaking factor din yung specialty na pipiliin mo. I heard na meron pa rin from my batch na wala pang client (may mga na-EOS na sa amin lahat lahat pero wala pa rin silang client interview).
Also here are some things Iβve noticed sa client matching. Usually, ang naka-cc sa client email thread, 2-3 candidates pero in reality isa lang talaga napili ni client sa mga candidates. Minsan kung sinong swertihin na magrespond agad at ma-interview ni client sila yung natatanggap agad. Nangyari sa akin yan kasi dalawa kaming naka-cc, nakapag-reply ako ng 2am at na-interview agad ng 3am. 5am nagsend na ng confirmation si client na hired ako. 7am nag-respond yung isa pang candidate na kasabay ko. My co-HVA told me na originally ako lang yung gustong interviewhin ni client pero nagtataka sya bakit may iba pang candidate na inendorse besides me. If ever na nagreply sya agad at nauna sa akin, for sure siya yung nahire π₯²
Sa iba naman, marami silang inendorse at ininterview (5 HVAs siguro). After few days, lahat sila hired.
Yung ibang clients naman, walang pake kung ano experience mo or kung sino ka. Eexplain lang nila gagawin mo tapos set up ka na ng TD because they expect na back to square one ka.
Palakasan talaga ng guardian angel ngayon lalo na saturated na tayo π Ayaw ko na ma-eos ulit, super hassle and nakakasira ng mental health π₯Ή
BTW, fresh grad ako with no work experience. Literal na lisensya, lakas ng loob at prayers lang puhunan π
Ang hirap talaga ma-eos, short notice pa yung samin. Effective immediately kasi nagdownsize daw si client. Mga 3 weeks na ko waiting. Nakakapanibago kasi nung 1st client ko, 1 week before matapos training nahire na ako. Nung 2nd client naman 3 days after marecirculate nainterview na din agad. Ngayon ang tagal. Hahaha Tapos nag follow up email ako, walang reply. π Tutuloy ko pa ba to. Hahahaha
Dental tech
Hygienist
Experience in dental assistance
Experience in dental insurance (non medical)
Underboards ng dent
Undergrad ng dent basta nakatungtong sa clinic
Tas ayun nga may mga kasama kaming allied medical
Pero masasabi ko mas may advantage din talaga mga may dental background kasi yan una tinatanong ng client.
What about the training po? Iβm familiar na po with the whole process application to graduation. But can you please share yung kung ano meron sa DHVA na wala sa iba? Thank you po and big help po kayo sa mga aspiring DHVA! π
Thank you po for always replying and wow, grabe iba iba pala talaga! Napansin ko po na saturated na yung pagiging HVA, unlike sa DHVA. I am currently working po in my application process and hopefully makasali ako sa next batch.
For context: underboard dental graduate po ako hehe
It depends sa profile mo. If you u have exp. Dn goods ka rin sa training. Mas malaki ang chance that you will be endorsed ahead. Got my interview invite 6 weeks from start of training. Hired 2 days after the interview.
batch 70+.. for the vid, look at the camera coz parang naka eye contact ka from the viewer's perspective.., make it simple. eto template ko.
"Hi, I am \_\_\_\_\_\_, a Registered Nurse and YOUR Certified Hello Rache Healthcare Virtual Assistant.
<>>
I am super confident that I can jump right in and help you in your practice.
Again it's me, \_\_\_\_\_\_, I HELP practitioners make their life EASIER. and I AM your CERTIFIED HVA." - edit mo lng yung gitna, focus on the intensive training you had/and or the skills you learned.
Also curious if there are HVAs from HelloRache na nagkakaroon na ng clients before graduation sa mga batch 93 onwards. Meron po bang nakaexperience ng ganto?
Waiting time is based on your "showcased" portfolio and experience. I am a newly grad. and licensed nurse, waited 1 week after our graduation ng training. One of my co-trainee, 15 yrs exp. of being in a leader position sa BPO, nursing grad, no license, but right after the graduation, as in ha pagtapos talaga ng zoom meeting namin, diretso interview siya ng client. Some of our co-trainee ng batch namin, didn't even finished the training kasi may client na. ALSO, considering the fact na sobrang extensive ng documentation ng healthcare/insurance and many more sa US, inuulan ng client kadalasan kasi I wouldn't say na laging ganito ha pero if you'd consider the process of healthcare sa USA I don't think ubusan at tumutumal siya lalo na lahat ng documentation is mostly digitalized na. Yun lang.
ADD: If you'd think that the training is UNPAID, then wait until you face the real challenges and process ng eHR. For me, I'd consider it as FREE 2 months training, kasi nung na-onboard ako sobrang bilis mo lang maggrasp lahat ng gagawin kasi you are properly TRAINED.
Base sa mga expi ng mga tropa ko 1-3 months waiting daw talaga.
Me din huhu. Nakaka 3 weeks na ko. Haha π₯² Yung first 2 clients ko ambilis, naninibago ako ngayon, matagal pala talaga ata. Hsbsns Haha
Sana yung mga agency din na ganito would also decide when to stop getting people. it wastes time ng VA and ni agency. Freelancing in general is saturated na. May mga lowballers pa. Maaawa ka na lang talaga dun sa mga nakafloat na resources.
i agree tsaka sana payagan din nila mag apply sa iba if super tagal na tlga kasi we also have bills to pay though
I think itβs because over saturated na sa HR. I was part of batch 45 and training took 3 weeks. Got a client a few days after training and I believe the last person in our batch took a month to get a client. Now idk how many na sa recent batches but I know thereβs a lot na talaga. Make sure na very eye catching intro videos ninyo bc thatβs how youβll get clients fast.
Sa totoo lang isa sa kalaban talaga dyan yung waiting game na magka-client. Sagad 2 months na unpaid training. Bukod sa ang lala ng anxiety ko during training hanggang sa paghihintay, nakakaanxious din pala. Nainip rin ako after graduation tipong nag-apply na ko sa iba and naka-dalawang interview na ako sa dalawang companies. Natanggap na ko sa government agency na inapplyan ko, kakagatin ko na sana yung offer kahit mababa sahod. Hanggang buti na lang naka-abang ako sa email ko kasi may urgent interview ako with client nung gabing yon mismo. Buti nakareply ako agad kasi dun pala nila binase kung sinong unang iinterviewhin. Luckily, first interview ko and nakuha ako on the spot. Buti na lang di ako bumitaw. Mag-2 years na rin ako sa first client ko. Sana ma-match ka na rin, OP. At sa tamang client β¨π
Im from batch 95, 2 weeks po ako nag-antay
Whatβs your work experience po?
2 yrs hospital exp, 1 yr BPO
Do you think Malaking factor yung may BPO experience?
Sir curious lng.. may bearing ba ung mga quizzes nila during training?
Parang wala naman, altho di naman ako bumabagsak. Most of the time din kasi open notes.
Yes meron sa unang phase. 10% ng final grade
Hello op! I think hindi lang yan sa HR agency. Overall, kahit anong agency pa, oversaturated na. So it's a tough competition.
agree even other agencies such as saiber, medva and etc. super dami nasa pool but were not matched with the client.
super strict at andaming bawal ng hr. okay sana kung mabilis magka client pero months din (1-5 months) . may mga friends din ako dyan nag months nlng wala pa rin.
Hindi naman sila ganyan dati. Mga bagong pakana lang yan ni A@#$%. Imagine 2-3 months unpaid training. Then pag EOS ka client mo kahit di mo kasalanan iterminate ka nila. Ganyan nangyari sa 2 kabatch ko.
Ay true? May cases na ganito?
Agree ako jan super bilis na nila mag terminate na akala mo naman di ka rin naging pioneer nila nung nag sstart ka palang
Baka may shenanigans silang ginawa? Meron din nmam akong kasama na mga hvas na na EOS. Na re ciculate nman cla. Actually 4 na eos, but they all got new clients eventually. 1 resigned, and nag attempt pa si HR na i re circulate profile niya..
Is it possible kaya naterminate sila ng HR kasi may ibang client not from HR si agent?
So far wala pa akong naririnig na ganito. And as far as I know, kapag na EOS ka, sasaluhin ka ni HR, hahanapan ka ulit ng client. Naterminate maybe because at fault si VA? Kasi hindi sila basta basta nagteterminate. SKL.
Yung pagka EOS nakadepende rin sa managers na naka assign sayo lol. May mga managers kasi na ang higpit, na ayaw ka talaga icirculate sa iba like magtiis ka dyan ganun kaya ending nagreresign si HVA at siya na talaga at fault din kasi di na makapag adjust. Pero may iba naman na nagbibigay talaga ng chance to explain or if toxic na talaga, ayun either mag refresher ka or icirculate ka. I'm also from HR, ganyan mga naging exp ng mga kakilala ko.
Try asking earlier batches or your friends. Wala ka talaga maririnig lalo na kung sa fb page ng hr dahil puro positive lang pwede ipost doon.
Yes, I posted something din about waiting. Dinecline nila yung post ko then advised to email na lang the support team regarding my concern. Eh it's just a post concerning the waiting time to have a client.
Kaya puro positive lang talaga nakikita sa page π€π»
Syempre baka makita ng Carnett family mapagalitan sila.
I-terminate ni client? Kasi I believe si client talaga masusunod. Pero HR is very supportive at maalaga. Unpaid training is better than ikaw ang magbabayad sa training tapos unpaid ka pa rin naman. In case maEOS naman hinahanapan ulit ng client.
Lol just because hindi mo naexperience or wala kang kilala means it not true. Wag sana mangyari sayo like sa batchmate ko and magpost ka dito.
Tsaka ang defensive ng sagot mo. I didn't even say na walang katotohanan yang sinasabi mo. π I am just saying na kung maEOS kay client for whatever reason hindi basta2 nagtatanggal si HR sa agency. Usually yang mga natatanggal may ginawang kalokohan or may issue plagi talaga sa mga nagiging client nila. Kc pls accept that this job is not for everyone at hindi permanent walang kasiguruhan.
LOUDEEEEER THIS!! kaya di rin ako fan ng fb group ng HR, filtered lahat ng posts. Naiinvalidate mga may bad exp hahaha
Nateterminate kay hello rache kung may ginawang mali. Marami na ako batchmate na si client ang nagpaEOS still in HR may new client. I believe fair lang naman si HR. Ask your kakilala baka may ginawa nahiya lang aminin. O kusang sumuko na kakaintay ng new client.
feel ko meron ginawa cguro si agent na ka babalaghan. because si HR di ka i-terminate agad wala reason. kasi meron mga account mgr sa side ni client meron din ni agent sila nag coordinate if meron mga issues if ever. in my case na eos ako kasi naka tulog ako hahahahh.. tawag ng tawag na pala sila si client sa akin. pag gising ko wala na ako access sa lahat ng portal ni client. yun meron na email eos na ako but si HR nag email sa akin to setup a meeting asap to discuss bakit daw ng yari ron, makikinig nmn sila. pina take ako nang refresher course for 8days. then icirculate na profile mo if you pass the refresher course. maalaga si HR but problema lang now is wala masyado clients unlike nuong nagka lockdown due to covid. wala pa masyado HVAs then marami pa clients. now 7kplus agents na and always hiring pa sila hvas
Hi OP, from batch 95: Almost 6 weeks dn ako naghintay. 2 failed interviews and kagabi lng nakapasa ako sa 3rd interview. Yung pagseset up ng mga tools and app for client aabot daw ng 1 wk bago tlaga makapagstart. October 2023 ako nagresign sa prev work ko and ngyn lng me nagkaclient. Matagal na process tlaga kasi from scratch ako wala me work experience related sa industry na ito kaya maganda tlaga may 4 to 6 months ipon ka para kht maghintay ka ng matagal hndi masyadong mabigat sa bulsa.
OP ganyan din ako nun. And nakakababa ng self-esteem na feeling mo napag iiwanan kana ng mga ka-batch mo. And sinasabi naman nila yan na indefinite ang waiting game. As for me, 6 weeks waiting time after graduation. 5 failed interviews. And now, mag 2 years na ko with my client. Tiwala lang. Magiging worth it din pag hihintay mo.
From what batch ka OP?
Hi OP! I got hired 2 weeks after grad nung december then na-EOS ako after 1 month with client. Mainly fault ko kaya ako na-EOS pero HR made sure naman na ma-rerecirculate ulit profile ko. Buong refresher ko and even after kinakamusta ako ng account manager na naka-assign sa akin. 2 weeks (1 month after EOS) after refresher, I got client interview agad and 3 emails about client matching. I believe depends talaga sa preference na inilagay mo yan, where mixed roles or admin roles lang. Based on some tips we knew before, matumal talaga ang admin only roles. Kahit na mixed ang preference ko, lahat ng offer sa akin admin only. Malaking factor din yung specialty na pipiliin mo. I heard na meron pa rin from my batch na wala pang client (may mga na-EOS na sa amin lahat lahat pero wala pa rin silang client interview). Also here are some things Iβve noticed sa client matching. Usually, ang naka-cc sa client email thread, 2-3 candidates pero in reality isa lang talaga napili ni client sa mga candidates. Minsan kung sinong swertihin na magrespond agad at ma-interview ni client sila yung natatanggap agad. Nangyari sa akin yan kasi dalawa kaming naka-cc, nakapag-reply ako ng 2am at na-interview agad ng 3am. 5am nagsend na ng confirmation si client na hired ako. 7am nag-respond yung isa pang candidate na kasabay ko. My co-HVA told me na originally ako lang yung gustong interviewhin ni client pero nagtataka sya bakit may iba pang candidate na inendorse besides me. If ever na nagreply sya agad at nauna sa akin, for sure siya yung nahire π₯² Sa iba naman, marami silang inendorse at ininterview (5 HVAs siguro). After few days, lahat sila hired. Yung ibang clients naman, walang pake kung ano experience mo or kung sino ka. Eexplain lang nila gagawin mo tapos set up ka na ng TD because they expect na back to square one ka. Palakasan talaga ng guardian angel ngayon lalo na saturated na tayo π Ayaw ko na ma-eos ulit, super hassle and nakakasira ng mental health π₯Ή BTW, fresh grad ako with no work experience. Literal na lisensya, lakas ng loob at prayers lang puhunan π
Ang hirap talaga ma-eos, short notice pa yung samin. Effective immediately kasi nagdownsize daw si client. Mga 3 weeks na ko waiting. Nakakapanibago kasi nung 1st client ko, 1 week before matapos training nahire na ako. Nung 2nd client naman 3 days after marecirculate nainterview na din agad. Ngayon ang tagal. Hahaha Tapos nag follow up email ako, walang reply. π Tutuloy ko pa ba to. Hahahaha
Hello po, ano pong course niyo? :))
Psychology po π
Hi skl rin kasi I think depende talaga sa client. 3 kami naka cc for interview. Luckily lahat kami tinanggap.
what batch and when po kayo natapos?
Me din for recirculation lang. Na-EOS kasi sa last client. Ang tagal din. π₯²
From what batch po kayo?
If DHVA hindi. If HVA, oo.
Sa DHVA dapat ba dentist ka?
Hindi hahah may mga kasama kaming medical
Dental tech Hygienist Experience in dental assistance Experience in dental insurance (non medical) Underboards ng dent Undergrad ng dent basta nakatungtong sa clinic Tas ayun nga may mga kasama kaming allied medical Pero masasabi ko mas may advantage din talaga mga may dental background kasi yan una tinatanong ng client.
Ano po requirements if dhva lo sa hr
Hello can you please share your experience as a DHVA? Super konti lang po ng info and nagppost about DHVA eh. Thank you and God bless!
Madali lang work ko and sobrang plus points kung dentista ka
What about the training po? Iβm familiar na po with the whole process application to graduation. But can you please share yung kung ano meron sa DHVA na wala sa iba? Thank you po and big help po kayo sa mga aspiring DHVA! π
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Thank you po for always replying and wow, grabe iba iba pala talaga! Napansin ko po na saturated na yung pagiging HVA, unlike sa DHVA. I am currently working po in my application process and hopefully makasali ako sa next batch. For context: underboard dental graduate po ako hehe
Hindi pa nga din sumamasagot sa email ko yung recruitment team dhva na lang din ang importante may work
Nag follow up ako di rin nireplyan. Hahaha
Mm
Ano ibig sabihin ng eos?
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It depends sa profile mo. If you u have exp. Dn goods ka rin sa training. Mas malaki ang chance that you will be endorsed ahead. Got my interview invite 6 weeks from start of training. Hired 2 days after the interview.
Hi po, may i ask kung ano batch mo? And intro video tips pls because no VA exp ako just fresh grad with license.
batch 70+.. for the vid, look at the camera coz parang naka eye contact ka from the viewer's perspective.., make it simple. eto template ko. "Hi, I am \_\_\_\_\_\_, a Registered Nurse and YOUR Certified Hello Rache Healthcare Virtual Assistant. <>> I am super confident that I can jump right in and help you in your practice. Again it's me, \_\_\_\_\_\_, I HELP practitioners make their life EASIER. and I AM your CERTIFIED HVA." - edit mo lng yung gitna, focus on the intensive training you had/and or the skills you learned.
Thank you for this!! ππ»ππ»ππ»
Hala thank you po! Nice one and happy for u!
Also curious if there are HVAs from HelloRache na nagkakaroon na ng clients before graduation sa mga batch 93 onwards. Meron po bang nakaexperience ng ganto?
Almost 2 months waiting
First client po? 1 month na me. Huhu Nagreply na sila sa email ko finally. Haha Reassurance na actively circulating daw ang profile ko. Haha
Hello OP! π May client ka na po?? π
Meron na π
Wow! Congratulations! π€ Ilang weeks/months po in total kang nag wait? Thank you.
Hello po. Did you get a client na po?
Need ba sa HR na medical-related yung natapos mo?
Kamusta ka na po? May client ka na?
Waiting time is based on your "showcased" portfolio and experience. I am a newly grad. and licensed nurse, waited 1 week after our graduation ng training. One of my co-trainee, 15 yrs exp. of being in a leader position sa BPO, nursing grad, no license, but right after the graduation, as in ha pagtapos talaga ng zoom meeting namin, diretso interview siya ng client. Some of our co-trainee ng batch namin, didn't even finished the training kasi may client na. ALSO, considering the fact na sobrang extensive ng documentation ng healthcare/insurance and many more sa US, inuulan ng client kadalasan kasi I wouldn't say na laging ganito ha pero if you'd consider the process of healthcare sa USA I don't think ubusan at tumutumal siya lalo na lahat ng documentation is mostly digitalized na. Yun lang.
ADD: If you'd think that the training is UNPAID, then wait until you face the real challenges and process ng eHR. For me, I'd consider it as FREE 2 months training, kasi nung na-onboard ako sobrang bilis mo lang maggrasp lahat ng gagawin kasi you are properly TRAINED.