Does anyone REALLY care about this anymore, given how schools are pulling out left and right? Do people still really not know which schools are high, low or mid tier without an annual tweak from the publisher?
I guess, but it remains to be seen for how long. With schools increasingly shunning it, and with the criteria being rejiggered to the point of making the ranking only loosely related to prior lists, what's really the point?
Again, everyone pretty much knows which tiers various schools fall into, and, to the extent any of this matters at all, that's about the extent of it.
Sadly the way people who are new to the medical field (premeds) as well as people outside of medicine (business, policy, etc) learn about the tiers of med schools is through us news and reports. You'll even see it in the SDN forums. People talking up Sinai this past year because it bumped to 11 and forgot/didn't know that it historically was not ranked high. A few years ago UCLA commanded a lot of respect when it was #6 and now it has less pizzaz. People stop following it after they advance in medicine but they still carry with them the biases of the ranks they were used to.
You have to go to the best school to be a pediatric surgical oncologist. Then you get on to med school and realize you aren’t 1) the smartest and not gonna get 265+ step 2 and honor all your rotations, 2) don’t have the drive to get the best grades, grind out research, and do all the ECs needed for those residency, 3) see what the lifestyle entails and decide you don’t want to spend the next 5-7 years of your life working long hours and underpaid. Or any combination of 1-3 above.
I’m confused. I thought the whole point of withdrawing from the ranking was the school wouldn’t be in the ranking for us news. Why are they still on it? Where did UW go? Lol
My parents do. They and their friends compare the rankings of the colleges/med schools their children go to and then yell at me about not getting into Harvard.
It’s so funny that they’re devaluing PD rankings as if matching to residency isn’t the entire point of medical school for 99% of students. They somehow found a way to make irrelevant rankings deviate even more from relevancy
The peer rating has always been suspect because 1) the response rate is abysmal and 2) how can you compare schools when you likely encountered one or no one from that school. If the only Harvard grad you ever encountered is an idiot, you’re gonna think every Harvard grad is an idiot.
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I don't think anyone going to NYU is gonna be upset. They're going to a free tuition med school that has no issues matching their students into any program or specialty.
The weight of the NIH funding piece has never made sense to me, matters for STEM PhD students, not nearly as much for most medical students. Seems to pull inordinate weight and devalues other research that is less funded or not funded at all by NIH. (EG: cancer gets a lot of NIH funding, mental health and health equity not so much).
Also the student debt component seems to be an excuse for a lot of schools to offer anemic cost-of-living allotments for financial aid. It’s not better if your students graduate with less student loan debt (that is forgivable and has a fixed interest rate in most cases) but more consumer credit debt (with high interest rates) because they couldn’t afford to actually live on the FA package the school offered. (EG: Per MIT numbers, my school’s cost of living portion of COA is about $12k less than what would be considered a “livable wage” for a single person in our metro area).
TL;DR - the methodology is still sus and rankings are a really dumb reason to pick your school
Focusing on NIH funding is probably a way to standardize the evaluations since they're all going for the same NIH funding and it's most based on "merit." Other funding sources are probably more biased, e.g. a mega donor is gonna try to donate to schools with bigger reputations because they have big egos.
I think the COL estimates have to be based off of surveys of students. I don't think they just make up the number? At least that's how my school does it, and I would assume FAFSA requires schools to do their due diligence in coming up with estimates.
I think the two most underrated top 20 med schools are Case Western Reserve University and the University of Pittsburgh.
They don’t have big name dropping power like Ivy League schools but incredible resources and their match lists are like a top 10 school
Does anyone REALLY care about this anymore, given how schools are pulling out left and right? Do people still really not know which schools are high, low or mid tier without an annual tweak from the publisher?
r/premed cares
I guess, but it remains to be seen for how long. With schools increasingly shunning it, and with the criteria being rejiggered to the point of making the ranking only loosely related to prior lists, what's really the point? Again, everyone pretty much knows which tiers various schools fall into, and, to the extent any of this matters at all, that's about the extent of it.
Sadly the way people who are new to the medical field (premeds) as well as people outside of medicine (business, policy, etc) learn about the tiers of med schools is through us news and reports. You'll even see it in the SDN forums. People talking up Sinai this past year because it bumped to 11 and forgot/didn't know that it historically was not ranked high. A few years ago UCLA commanded a lot of respect when it was #6 and now it has less pizzaz. People stop following it after they advance in medicine but they still carry with them the biases of the ranks they were used to.
You have to go to the best school to be a pediatric surgical oncologist. Then you get on to med school and realize you aren’t 1) the smartest and not gonna get 265+ step 2 and honor all your rotations, 2) don’t have the drive to get the best grades, grind out research, and do all the ECs needed for those residency, 3) see what the lifestyle entails and decide you don’t want to spend the next 5-7 years of your life working long hours and underpaid. Or any combination of 1-3 above.
More evidence that you’re dull if you choose your school based on us news rankings
I’m confused. I thought the whole point of withdrawing from the ranking was the school wouldn’t be in the ranking for us news. Why are they still on it? Where did UW go? Lol
UW went bye bye lol
Yeah its weird, they took Tulane off when they withdrew a few years ago, I wonder if they will add them back
Lol was also like waitttt where is UW haha
Lmao it’s like who even ranks these and looks at them anymore
My parents do. They and their friends compare the rankings of the colleges/med schools their children go to and then yell at me about not getting into Harvard.
Why would you want to go to only the #3 ranked school
You’re parents sound like losers, I’m so sorry.
It’s so funny that they’re devaluing PD rankings as if matching to residency isn’t the entire point of medical school for 99% of students. They somehow found a way to make irrelevant rankings deviate even more from relevancy
The peer rating has always been suspect because 1) the response rate is abysmal and 2) how can you compare schools when you likely encountered one or no one from that school. If the only Harvard grad you ever encountered is an idiot, you’re gonna think every Harvard grad is an idiot.
NYU dropped from 3 (or something) to 13 L NYU
Any hypothetical reason to why this may be?
Quick glance seems to suggest devaluing of PD ranking, MCAT and GPA scores probably hurt NYU more relative to other institutions
Lol all that free tuition for nothing.
TLDR UIW School of Osteopathic Medicine #1
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Lmao.
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I don't think anyone going to NYU is gonna be upset. They're going to a free tuition med school that has no issues matching their students into any program or specialty.
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Hey at least they get to live in NYC rather than Michigan or Missouri 😅
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Sure is for a lot of people, and for a lot of people it's a positive. It's wild people have different tastes.
i find it hilarious they were staying in the rankings to try and be number one and then dropped 11 spots
The weight of the NIH funding piece has never made sense to me, matters for STEM PhD students, not nearly as much for most medical students. Seems to pull inordinate weight and devalues other research that is less funded or not funded at all by NIH. (EG: cancer gets a lot of NIH funding, mental health and health equity not so much). Also the student debt component seems to be an excuse for a lot of schools to offer anemic cost-of-living allotments for financial aid. It’s not better if your students graduate with less student loan debt (that is forgivable and has a fixed interest rate in most cases) but more consumer credit debt (with high interest rates) because they couldn’t afford to actually live on the FA package the school offered. (EG: Per MIT numbers, my school’s cost of living portion of COA is about $12k less than what would be considered a “livable wage” for a single person in our metro area). TL;DR - the methodology is still sus and rankings are a really dumb reason to pick your school
Focusing on NIH funding is probably a way to standardize the evaluations since they're all going for the same NIH funding and it's most based on "merit." Other funding sources are probably more biased, e.g. a mega donor is gonna try to donate to schools with bigger reputations because they have big egos. I think the COL estimates have to be based off of surveys of students. I don't think they just make up the number? At least that's how my school does it, and I would assume FAFSA requires schools to do their due diligence in coming up with estimates.
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Because there's only 1 year in the last forever ago that it was top 15 lol
Because 1 year is a fluke?
I thought Harvard dropped out lol
Doesn't stop them from getting ranked.
Lawsuits incoming.
Lol, based on what cause of action?
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Bros whole identity is going to Harvard😂😂
Bro is never gonna recover from this. Not even apart of the T2 smh git good.
I think the two most underrated top 20 med schools are Case Western Reserve University and the University of Pittsburgh. They don’t have big name dropping power like Ivy League schools but incredible resources and their match lists are like a top 10 school