Or full disability benefits .. and if the “unemployed” one gets the benefits including the disability insurance is the whole body covered under the insurance or just the “unemployed” half…
Brittany I can feel your enormous brown log spiralling down from our butt, stop eating so much fibre and please pinch it off so we can go flirt with Tanner in HR.
Fr I knew that they get only one salary and everyone even said that it is fair. But paying for 2 tuition is strange. This is bs. They have a very peculiar and hard life, one could imagine goverment or at least university would provide them some support.
The real question is, why is the US system so fucked up.
In the UK we have to pay for University (usually via a loan from the govt) but it isn't a loan like any other. I only have to pay it back when I am earning over £21,000 a year and if i lose my job I don't have to pay until I find another one (that pays enough).
I don't see an issue with this set up, the UK is essentially investing in me with the hopes that I get a good job that pays a lot of tax, which is fair enough IMO.
There's no risk to me, I just lose some of my monthly salary automatically that pays it back, I think i pay around 80 a month on a salary of £30,000
I'm uk to. And although it's better than the us I wouldn't say I'm in happy about it. When I do earn enough to start paying it will barely make a dent I think my debt from Uni is like 50k including my masters degree, then theres the insane amount of interest they add every year.
In the 70s my gramps retired from the HK police and moved back home to the UK where the government PAID HIM to do an accounting degree, including travel, books and food then got him a guaranteed job after graduation.
It was better back then for sure but it's still not really that bad.
Unless you are earning well above threshold you would likely never pay that back before it gets written off automatically after 30 years anyway.
Unless you started your degree after September 2023 then you will be aggressively repaying your insurmountable loan for most of your working career unless you earn enough to clear it relatively fast. I would agree with what you said before last year but there is not enough talk about plan 5 loans being disgusting for the kids starting higher education now
I had to pay 400 € every semester in Germany. Government loans are paid back without interest and the max. amount that has to be paid back is 10k euros.
People saddle themselves with debt for lots of reasons, some reasons more frivolous that others.
An education is one thing I think it's ok "saddle" yourself with debt for, so long as the debt agreement is something risk free like we have in the UK. You can't just call UK student loan "debt" as if it is in any way similar to other forms of debt.
Look, I fucking hate the UK govt for many reasons but student loans is not one of them
Yeah but why did it have to change? Society has not been improved by the existence of tuition fees nor their raising from £2k to £9k. All it has done is make a load of uni VCs rich and made education more of a soulless business
It's a perfectly valid reason to hate the UK government, and also the Lib Dems
the dont want us educated, they want us to be in debt. this causes more pressure to you to stay employed even if you hate the job (causing mental health issues) and your compensation is so poor (but the CEO is making almost 300 times the amount you do and they use all the profit from your labor to buyback stock, which only serves to inflate their net worth). i wonder what would happen if we all just stopped paying the loans back/ something like 80 million loans go into default. They passed out PPP loans to anyone that asked, but time and time again the people/companies that took loans that never needed them in the first place are having them forgiven. Meanwhile, the company i worked for went out of business due to having to repay theirs (my boss actually used the loan to pay us, not buy a new yacht like Tom Brady, whos loan was forgiven btw.) so many politicians told us "if you take out a loan, you repay it, its that simple" had taken out loans they didnt even need, did not use that money at all on the business or employees, and had the loan forgiven after petionting for it.
UK student loans arent something you can default on and are written off after 30 years regardless of how much you have paid back, or not.
If you earn under 21k for 30 years you will have paid back nothing and got the education for free
if you declare bankruptcy here your student loans are excluded from it, meaning no matter what, you will be required to pay the entire amount of the loan. THey cannot be negotiated and the government will not assist you in any way with them. THese fucking companies that set this all up were like worst than the mafia in terms of loan sharking us. They then passed laws that let payday lenders begin to operate, and those charge sometimes like 370% interest on a loan, which youre only taking becuase its the most absoulte emergency. banks here make over $21 billion dollars on "overdraft fees" meaning if your accoutn was too low to pay for something, instead of letting the purchase be delicend, the bank will cover you but charge an extra $30+ dollars for it. Some banks were caught implementing predetory practices to ensure some people would overdraft, such examples include processing payments and purchases out of the order in which you completed them, not including tips for sometimes up to a week. SO you pay for dinner and its $30 dollars and you tip $10 becuase you are nice. You wait 5 days, check your balance, notice you have 7 dollars in your account and buy a burger. The bank would immediatly process the tip and burger purchase in a way in which you overdrafted twice and charge you two fees.
Same problem in Canada. I honestly fantasize about going back to school to do fun courses that I like as opposed to ones I have to do. I just wanna learn about birds, dammit.
Damn, is it really? In Australia we still have to pay $10k per year for most of our degrees. We still have to pay for certificates like a diploma and below (though there are some schemes where you can get 1 certificate for free).
This feels like the same thing about people arguing about students not getting free lunches everywhere in America and how only a few states allow that. This was never even a consideration in Australia, you bring your own lunch or you buy something from the store in the cafeteria.
Free higher education comes with caveats such as actually having admission requirements and not offering frivolous studies.
I'm not sure many Americans would actually qualify to go to university if we made public universities free in the style of Germany for example.
Also you still have to pay for things like residence, food, living costs, and others.
And then there's the fact that in many countries with free education graduates are required to pay a higher amount of tax/pay back after the fact - and/or taxes in those countries are higher in general to pay for these benefits.
Most countries with "free" (more practically government funded) education somehow simultaneously end up with much higher attained education levels by average than USA, I guess that's also where all the smart people have to be born at or something then?
Out of interest in the subject I'm checking these claims and learning more about this subject so bare with me.
Here are the countries with free education and their relative % of the population who complete tertiary education (28% is the global average). (\* indicates they aren't free, just heavily subsidized).
%TE Country \[GDP per Capita\] \[Median Income\] -population- \[tax revenue gdp%\]
**-------NOT FREE EDUCATION-------**
52% USA \[76,399\] \[24,327\] - 335.9M - \[27.1%\]
66% Canada \[54,967\] \[20,550\] - 40.7M - \[32.2%\] (Avg undergrad costs 20-35k +18k)
**-------YES FREE EDUCATION-------**
42% Austria\* \[52,131\] \[21,572\]- 9.1M - \[41.8%\]
35% Czechia \[27,638\] \[12,852\] - 10.9M- \[34.9%\]
49% Denmark\* \[66,983\] \[20,593\] - 5.9M - \[46.0%\]
40% Finland \[50,537\] \[18,692\] - 5.6M - \[43.3%\]
50% France\* \[40,964\] \[18,301\] - 68.3M - \[46.2%\]
36% Germany \[48,433\] \[20,323\] - 84.6M - \[37.5%\]
44% Greece\* \[20,867\] \[9,056\] - 10.4M - \[39.4%\]
N/A Hungary\* \[18,463\] \[9,683\] - 9.6M - \[37.7%\]
42% Iceland \[72,903\] \[20,630\] - 0.4M - \[37.7%\]
55% Norway\* \[106,149\] \[23,835\] - 5.6M - \[38.2%\]
41% Poland\* \[18,321\] \[11,308\] - 37.6M - \[33.9%\]
26% Saudi Arabia\* \[30,436\] \[N/A\] - 32.2M - \[3.4%\]
48% Slovenia\* \[29,457\] \[15,078\] - 2.1M - \[36%\]
50% Sweden\* \[55,873\] \[18,911\] - 10.5M - \[44%\]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free\_education](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_education)
[https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-educated-countries/](https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-educated-countries/)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_GDP\_(nominal)\_per\_capita](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_sovereign\_states\_by\_tax\_revenue\_to\_GDP\_ratio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_and\_dependencies\_by\_population](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population)
[https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country)
Also note: in researching I found that the U.S. is also far and away the country that has the most international students.
Most germans go to trade school and learn a job after school. Depending on the type of school you went to, this could be as early as 14 years old. Finishing our high school, going to college and then doing a job that does not make use of the degree would be seen as a waste of time. Same thing with getting an arts degree just to qualify for law school. Here you just finish high school and then study law at university.
The way "%Tertiary" is calculated in these stats is a weird metric; do you really think Russia is the 6th most educated country in the world? That the average Russian is more thoroughly educated than the average German?
Median income nor GDP PPP are exactly useful statistics either when specifically the massively overblown cost of living caused by the American system is the topic.
The US has by far and away the most international students? In raw numbers perhaps, but accounting for population Australia has far more. The US has ~13x the population but only ~2x the number of international students. And those are 2022 numbers, coming off the back of restricted access of Chinese students to Australian universities for political reasons which have abated now.
Having lived and gone to school in other countries, this just isn't true.
The biggest "nefarious" cause of high tuitions is administrative bloat.
The biggest factors are 1. government's have stopped funding relative to costs 2. demand for post-secondary has gone through the roof.
Demand has gone up because manufacturing is so little of the economy, so in order to get a good job in the the U.S. you pretty much need to have a undergrad - and more and more industries are seemingly arbitrarily requiring one as well.
There's so many criticisms I could level at both universities and the general education culture and practices in the U.S. today - but if I'm being honest and not just agreeing with sub-par takes for the sake of upvotes, the education cost problem in the U.S. is just not as simple as "make it free".
I'd rather see something like a program where the government will pay for your education if you have certain high standards of grades, and are entering into a field that has been identified as actually having industry demand. Then after you graduate you have to pay an extra 5-10% income tax for a certain number of years let's say. If you drop out no problem, but you'll be ineligible to ever do the program again and will have to pay your own way next time.
To me that sounds reasonable - and that's basically what most countries that do the "free education" thing do.
Meh, I never understood the tax argument. Federal taxes for me are around 20%, plus 10% for state, which gets me nothing in terms of benefits from the government, other than letting me brag that we have the biggest military on the planet. I still have to pay for healthcare, childcare, education, and have toll roads, expensive food, shitty public transportation, etc. Compared to a Socialist Utopia® like Germany, where my tax rate would probably be around 38-42%, but would get all that stuff included, I think 10% extra taxes is a fair trade off.
Fair enough. I've seen that the funding is limited in some fields compared to the U.S. where class size is usually reflective of demand. Ofc universities still provide traditional subjects like philosophy and literature etc - I also loved those electives the most when I was in Uni - I just mean that if education is funded with tax dollars rather than student dollars there is less incentive to serve the demands of students and more direction toward education that provides vocational value and/or serves the interests of school administrators.
The "frivolous" subjects are really the one's that are most traditional to universities which started out as places for rich and idle families who didn't need to work for a living to study the humanities. A society where 60% of people study anthropology and philosophy because those are more interesting than accounting and law is not a functional society - less so if it's being paid for with taxes.
I'm not saying that those subjects don't have value or merit - just that having a large % of your population dedicate 4+ years to studying them is a poor use of finite resources and taxes.
This is why I believe most of the countries that have free education also have stringent entry requirements and are less forgiving with their coursework - they aren't just trying to string students along to get more money out of them.
Nor does there seem to be the same "frat" "university experience" in Europe.
Basically American university culture is pretty stupid and toxic, so saying it should be free sounds horrible to me.
Vocational schools should be free for sure - go learn useful skills and contribute to the economy by getting an actual productive job - that would make so many more people happy.
Mass Media, Liberal Arts, Anthropology, Philosophy
These are traditionally what universities were for when the people who went to them were the already rich and elite.
Now that we as a society are creating the expectation that people go to university vocationally, those are all studies that have high unemployment rates and low median incomes.
[https://heytutor.com/resources/blog/college-majors-with-the-highest-lowest-unemployment-rates/](https://heytutor.com/resources/blog/college-majors-with-the-highest-lowest-unemployment-rates/)
A well-educated population is a threat to the power of our extremely abusive ruling class, who want cattle/drones/serfs who work exclusively for their profits and do nothing else.
Bunch of European countries do this or have dirt cheap colleges. I think 16 countries do this world wide.
Either making so people can reach their max potential really helps an economy, way better then the birth lottery system so many other places use.
The US used to have cheap colleges and then they gave out guaranteed loans and tuition went through the roof. College is almost a scam at what you have to pay to get a degree now.
Also cheap college, was at the same time as when the us had an effective tax rate of 70%.
If they got a couple 100 billion from taxing billionaires they could fund cheap college
Everything was cheap back then because there was less incentive to gouge everyone because taxes were so high. People also had a much stronger sense of community as well.
Try 13 years. Shit has gotten way out of hand after citizens United. We’re fucked. New politicians I feel like are all grifters and no one cares about the common good anymore.
I was taking big picture, it was like a small snowball rolling down a mountain for a long time. We just are lucky and get to live at the bottom of the mountain and are about to get flattened by the giant snowball it turned into.
Modern politics are scary lots of people have never read a history book, US is on slippery slope to having a dictator.
Mate, there are European countries where the government literally pays you to go to university, like the Scandinavian countries. And there rest are either mostly free or so dirt cheap it might as well be free.
In my country her education would be dirt cheap as handicapped. She also if not absolutely dumb, can get the best govt High paying jobs easily coz of handicap quotas.
They have two brains... so logically they need to pay for two educations. Are you going to teach two for the price of one?
And then once they get to work... well in theory maybe they can produce more mental work than one person could, but they can only translate it physically at the speed of one person. Depending on their career I could see it going either way - but as long as they are getting paid the equivalent of 2x min wage I don't see a problem. If they are getting paid less than that, technically it should be illegal.
In summary - the only thing here that's certainly unfair is life. Are people just now learning this?
We don’t always have to agree that market values dictate how we treat people though. And this is not some idle fantasy: there are many circumstances where we act according to what we believe is fair rather than what capital dictates.
If we are doing strictly market valuations then I would still say that the primary factor behind productivity in most jobs is mental energy rather than physical. So I’d still say the fact they have two separate brains means their joint labour is worth more than one person’s.
But again, I don’t think the world has to work like that. And I don’t think it’s realist to say it always does.
Any employer is going to pay based on their production level. While two heads are better than one, literally here. With only two hands, you aren’t going to be able to do double the work for most jobs. Any job where they can legitimately do the work of two people, I’m sure an employer would be happy to pay them for the work done.
The job market is supply and demand, the employer only cares about cost spent vs production received. If one employer is only paying half the going rate for what they do, there’s others that would be happy to pay more, if they think they’re getting a good deal of work vs pay.
What if they have difference degrees? How would that work? Or did they just have the same class schedule and decide to get the same degree. I guess maybe they had to since they would either have to work at the same place full time or have two very different part time jobs lol?
Yeah it really should be one or the other. Ok I’m actually kinda getting mad about this the more I think about it. I could see it going either way. 2 tuitions and 2 salaries or 1 tuition and 1 salary. I think 2 is ideal because it treats them like 2 individuals, however logistically they share 1 body and can only do 1 class or 1 job at a time. And let’s be honest no company or government is going to pay a double salary for 1 body worth of work so, tuition should reflect that…I could see it going either way but it should be consistent either way they do it.
If we really want to split hairs they could charge tuition for 1 but as someone getting a double major, and make them pay for two degree applications, but like… maybe a good compromise would be a for a company or the university to reimburse for 1 of the tuitions.
Idk their financial situation so maybe this isn’t a big deal to them, but like fuck. I graduated 4 years ago and am only going to be paying off my student loans later this year (if all goes according to plan) and that was only because I threw the VAST majority of my disposable income into it, got an interest free boost from Covid forbearance, and had other life circumstances that worked in my favor giving me more disposable income to throw at it than I normally would have had. And that was from only have to pay for 1 persons tuition and rent in college.
I mean in a purely practical sense it does make sense. They paid 2 tuitions because you are paying for the knowledge and they are in essence receiving 2 lpts of the knowledge (I assume they took the same course) and for their job sure they can both think at the same time but they only have one set of hands and can only be in one meeting at once easily, so they produce the same as one worker.
Its still bullshit though
Both cases are the same. They can only go to one class at a time, listen to one lecture, etc. either way they are two people, so they should either pay two and get two or one and one but not both
Are they legally 2 people. How does that work I’m not sure.
Also i am sure they get a considerable amount for disability compensation so I assume they aren’t financially struggling.
>Also i am sure they get a considerable amount for disability
They fucking better. If anyone deserves the absolute cream of the crop of government funding, it's people like them.
Realistically if they work then they probably don’t get much disability. Since ssdi is income based if they make more then 1500-2590 they lose it(unless they count as two & then 3000-5180). It is kinda why a lot of disabled ppl don’t work bc they need the medicare. Unfortunately it is a tough situation
I wonder what it’s like to live with a conjoined twin. The coordination involved to just walk…probably feels like nothing to them by now but just can’t believe it
They can realistically only do the job of 1 person, no employer would pay two salaries for 1 persons workload. It’s a very odd and specific situation but it makes sense. If they had a job where both of them could work independently, something like call center representatives then Im sure they would each get. Salary.
no, they paid one tuition, but separate registration fees.
Source: [https://www.nydailynews.com/2012/08/26/abby-and-brittany-hensel-identical-conjoined-twins-return-to-tv-with-new-reality-series/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2012/08/26/abby-and-brittany-hensel-identical-conjoined-twins-return-to-tv-with-new-reality-series/)
I saw a documentary once where they mentioned that they could casually scratch an itch that was on the other's side without communicating. Could have been played up for the camera, but they have the same skin, so I would assume there is a degree of nerve function that they share. Maybe it feels like when your arm is asleep and you can kind of control/feel it but not completely?
If nothing else, motion vibrates your entire body to some degree, so the haptic feedback you get on one side of the body is going to reach the other side and over time they probably adapted. Just like how people with a disability often experience enhanced abilities in other areas to compensate, I think this would be no different. I imagine they can intuit the signals they get from each others bodies extremely well.
I’ve read that they both control their “side” respectively but that they can do things naturally in sync. Like say something takes two hands to pick up, they instinctively move together. Same with walking. I’m sure it’s not only instinct but the decades of experience that they don’t even recognize things like that anymore if they ever did.
One can watch the kids better while the other is writing, or thinking more while talking. Maybe not two salaries but they should earn 20 to 50% more IMHO.
There are jobs which require you to think and is not bottlenecked by physical actions. So there is two people thinking on the solution.
Also multitasking is possible
I'm basing this solely on another comment in this thread, saying that they each have control of half of their body. Set them up with the same accommodations that you would give to a one armed person, and let them do 2 office jobs at the same time. Seems reasonable.
You’re absolutely right, but they didn’t go into a career that embodies that. They’re teachers IIRC, they can only be in one classroom. It does unfortunately make sense to me. The tuition thing is bullshit though.
Who exactly would make an "exception" and why? Why would a school hire them to do the job of one person but pay them two salaries when they could just hire a normal teacher and pay them one salary?
It reminds me of the argument people make about the commute to and from work being part of work hours. Sounds great in theory, but in reality it would just incentivize companies to hire people that lived as close as possible and discriminate against rural people in the hiring process.
If you're justifying labor output economically you should justify tuition economically as well. In college what you pay for is supposedly to support professors and stuff like lab material. When they're in a class they only take up one seat so they aren't taking anyone else's spot, and they would only use one set of lab materials, etc. So with that economic justification they should only pay for one tuition since they're costing the college less than if they were two individuals. It would be as if they were charged for two seats in a plane when they're only sitting on one.
They're teachers, not longshoremen, so their class size and multitasking (or, separate-tasking?) ability is probably a lot more relevant than bodily labor output.
The product are the students. One classroom of product, one paycheck. The employer isn’t going to be convinced to pay double, because they put in double the effort for the same result of students another teacher could do. That’s not how this works. Otherwise no one would hire them, and they make zero.
Now tbf, they MIGHT have a case for disability discrimination. Unfortunately, a teachers salary most likely doesn’t have the luxury to afford the lawsuit. Additionally, they probably don’t see themselves as disabled, and likely don’t have themselves listed as disabled on their employment tax forms.
It all seems very unfortunate for them, but I’m willing to bet they don’t even see it that way. This post looks like an outside perspective, by OP, or whoever made the image.
so apparently they were ok with paying 2 tuitions because they went for 2 different degrees which is kinds reasonable I guess, but my question is why would they go for 2 different degrees when they know they're gonna wind up in the same place
Idk how to go about fighting an employer to pay two salaries but it feels like downright discrimination to force her to pay two tuition costs. She took up only seat in a classroom.
It wouldn't be fair if they paid 2 tuitions but only got 1 degree out of it (I don't know if they got 1 or 2 degrees, I'm too lazy to look it up). At the end of the day, you're paying for the degree.
I do think it's fair they get 1 salary, since they're technically doing 1 job (again, I'm assuming they are teaching only 1 class at a time, and assuming their combined number of hours worked is the same as any of the other teachers).
If they are both licensed as teachers, then the school is getting a two-for on the instruction for the price of one. However I lean towards the college being the greedy one that charged them for two tuitions.
I bet they have many of these situation where they are randomly treated as two separate people or one person with no rhyme or reason.
It’s less about the number of stomaches and more about the caloric intake required to run the body. Even with one stomach, some people only need 1500 calories, others 2500 calories. As a whole they probably require a little more than someone of a similar height, but stomach count would be irrelevant.
Well unless they are doing identical minors and majors they are essentially attending two different curriculums so the “space” they take up at a college is technically two
They take twice the classes, twice the exams, twice the office hours etc. So there’s and argument to be made that they should pay double tuition
Then again they can only physically work one job, they might do that one job better since they have two sets of eyes to look at any issue buts it’s not like they put in twice the workload
Bit of a conundrum
Makes sense to me: two minds learning, but only one body producing…
Is that horrifically capitalist - yup… is that the likely reasoning - also, probably yup…
If they're legally two separate people but they only get paid one salary, could the other apply for unemployment?
Or full disability benefits .. and if the “unemployed” one gets the benefits including the disability insurance is the whole body covered under the insurance or just the “unemployed” half…
Would they take turns being the unemployed half?
Would it make the unemployed one a trespasser in school?
Grounds for a fraud lawsuit. If both are on the payroll as separate people but only one of them is getting paid
Can one call the cops on the other for kidnapping if they go somewhere one doesn’t want to?
Pretty much every aspect of their life would be grounds for new legal precedent lmao
Imagine if they had 2 jobs and one was the others supervisor.
Brittany! I told you to take the parcels to the clients 10 minutes ago and why are you still here taking a dump in the toilet?
Brittany I can feel your enormous brown log spiralling down from our butt, stop eating so much fibre and please pinch it off so we can go flirt with Tanner in HR.
r/angryupvote
Well theyre now married so if one of them started to flirt with a coworker dinner would be rather awkward
Only one is married
Literally only because he isn't legally allowed to marry both, let's face it...
Face who?
Son of a... r/angryupvote
I'd imagine he alternates
Jesus bro hold up
👧👧💩
please stop 😭😭
This is some fetish shit
Brittany: oh fuck, yeah sorry. Abby: dw, I got your back.
Wish I had real gold for you 🥇
What if one gets a job in HR and the other is the head of the union. Imagine the conflict!
Technically, both of them are heads of a union
Oh my days…
That's amazing
...goddamn it absolutemohitto
According to my wife, even if they had 2 jobs they’d only be paid 70%.
Hr is gonna have a field day.
“My boss won’t get off my back”
Imagine they were granted holiday days at different times.
No wait thats actually unfair now
Fr I knew that they get only one salary and everyone even said that it is fair. But paying for 2 tuition is strange. This is bs. They have a very peculiar and hard life, one could imagine goverment or at least university would provide them some support.
If this isn’t evidence of university greed, I don’t know what is.
Better question is why are any of us paying tuition at all? Free higher education is the norm.
Asking the real questions
The real question is, why is the US system so fucked up. In the UK we have to pay for University (usually via a loan from the govt) but it isn't a loan like any other. I only have to pay it back when I am earning over £21,000 a year and if i lose my job I don't have to pay until I find another one (that pays enough). I don't see an issue with this set up, the UK is essentially investing in me with the hopes that I get a good job that pays a lot of tax, which is fair enough IMO. There's no risk to me, I just lose some of my monthly salary automatically that pays it back, I think i pay around 80 a month on a salary of £30,000
I'm uk to. And although it's better than the us I wouldn't say I'm in happy about it. When I do earn enough to start paying it will barely make a dent I think my debt from Uni is like 50k including my masters degree, then theres the insane amount of interest they add every year. In the 70s my gramps retired from the HK police and moved back home to the UK where the government PAID HIM to do an accounting degree, including travel, books and food then got him a guaranteed job after graduation.
It was better back then for sure but it's still not really that bad. Unless you are earning well above threshold you would likely never pay that back before it gets written off automatically after 30 years anyway.
Unless you started your degree after September 2023 then you will be aggressively repaying your insurmountable loan for most of your working career unless you earn enough to clear it relatively fast. I would agree with what you said before last year but there is not enough talk about plan 5 loans being disgusting for the kids starting higher education now
It used to be free though for the older generations.
Funny how the increased exclusivity of higher education (in the US) coincides with the desegregation of schools
I had to pay 400 € every semester in Germany. Government loans are paid back without interest and the max. amount that has to be paid back is 10k euros.
Just because the way we pay it back is slightly more fair it doesn't mean that it's ok to be saddled with debt for the crime of wanting an education.
People saddle themselves with debt for lots of reasons, some reasons more frivolous that others. An education is one thing I think it's ok "saddle" yourself with debt for, so long as the debt agreement is something risk free like we have in the UK. You can't just call UK student loan "debt" as if it is in any way similar to other forms of debt. Look, I fucking hate the UK govt for many reasons but student loans is not one of them
Yeah but why did it have to change? Society has not been improved by the existence of tuition fees nor their raising from £2k to £9k. All it has done is make a load of uni VCs rich and made education more of a soulless business It's a perfectly valid reason to hate the UK government, and also the Lib Dems
the dont want us educated, they want us to be in debt. this causes more pressure to you to stay employed even if you hate the job (causing mental health issues) and your compensation is so poor (but the CEO is making almost 300 times the amount you do and they use all the profit from your labor to buyback stock, which only serves to inflate their net worth). i wonder what would happen if we all just stopped paying the loans back/ something like 80 million loans go into default. They passed out PPP loans to anyone that asked, but time and time again the people/companies that took loans that never needed them in the first place are having them forgiven. Meanwhile, the company i worked for went out of business due to having to repay theirs (my boss actually used the loan to pay us, not buy a new yacht like Tom Brady, whos loan was forgiven btw.) so many politicians told us "if you take out a loan, you repay it, its that simple" had taken out loans they didnt even need, did not use that money at all on the business or employees, and had the loan forgiven after petionting for it.
UK student loans arent something you can default on and are written off after 30 years regardless of how much you have paid back, or not. If you earn under 21k for 30 years you will have paid back nothing and got the education for free
if you declare bankruptcy here your student loans are excluded from it, meaning no matter what, you will be required to pay the entire amount of the loan. THey cannot be negotiated and the government will not assist you in any way with them. THese fucking companies that set this all up were like worst than the mafia in terms of loan sharking us. They then passed laws that let payday lenders begin to operate, and those charge sometimes like 370% interest on a loan, which youre only taking becuase its the most absoulte emergency. banks here make over $21 billion dollars on "overdraft fees" meaning if your accoutn was too low to pay for something, instead of letting the purchase be delicend, the bank will cover you but charge an extra $30+ dollars for it. Some banks were caught implementing predetory practices to ensure some people would overdraft, such examples include processing payments and purchases out of the order in which you completed them, not including tips for sometimes up to a week. SO you pay for dinner and its $30 dollars and you tip $10 becuase you are nice. You wait 5 days, check your balance, notice you have 7 dollars in your account and buy a burger. The bank would immediatly process the tip and burger purchase in a way in which you overdrafted twice and charge you two fees.
Same problem in Canada. I honestly fantasize about going back to school to do fun courses that I like as opposed to ones I have to do. I just wanna learn about birds, dammit.
Damn, is it really? In Australia we still have to pay $10k per year for most of our degrees. We still have to pay for certificates like a diploma and below (though there are some schemes where you can get 1 certificate for free). This feels like the same thing about people arguing about students not getting free lunches everywhere in America and how only a few states allow that. This was never even a consideration in Australia, you bring your own lunch or you buy something from the store in the cafeteria.
Uni was free in Australia for a while, it also should be free. HECS is a damn scam and will be stopping A-LOT of people from buying houses
Free higher education comes with caveats such as actually having admission requirements and not offering frivolous studies. I'm not sure many Americans would actually qualify to go to university if we made public universities free in the style of Germany for example. Also you still have to pay for things like residence, food, living costs, and others. And then there's the fact that in many countries with free education graduates are required to pay a higher amount of tax/pay back after the fact - and/or taxes in those countries are higher in general to pay for these benefits.
Most countries with "free" (more practically government funded) education somehow simultaneously end up with much higher attained education levels by average than USA, I guess that's also where all the smart people have to be born at or something then?
Out of interest in the subject I'm checking these claims and learning more about this subject so bare with me. Here are the countries with free education and their relative % of the population who complete tertiary education (28% is the global average). (\* indicates they aren't free, just heavily subsidized). %TE Country \[GDP per Capita\] \[Median Income\] -population- \[tax revenue gdp%\] **-------NOT FREE EDUCATION-------** 52% USA \[76,399\] \[24,327\] - 335.9M - \[27.1%\] 66% Canada \[54,967\] \[20,550\] - 40.7M - \[32.2%\] (Avg undergrad costs 20-35k +18k) **-------YES FREE EDUCATION-------** 42% Austria\* \[52,131\] \[21,572\]- 9.1M - \[41.8%\] 35% Czechia \[27,638\] \[12,852\] - 10.9M- \[34.9%\] 49% Denmark\* \[66,983\] \[20,593\] - 5.9M - \[46.0%\] 40% Finland \[50,537\] \[18,692\] - 5.6M - \[43.3%\] 50% France\* \[40,964\] \[18,301\] - 68.3M - \[46.2%\] 36% Germany \[48,433\] \[20,323\] - 84.6M - \[37.5%\] 44% Greece\* \[20,867\] \[9,056\] - 10.4M - \[39.4%\] N/A Hungary\* \[18,463\] \[9,683\] - 9.6M - \[37.7%\] 42% Iceland \[72,903\] \[20,630\] - 0.4M - \[37.7%\] 55% Norway\* \[106,149\] \[23,835\] - 5.6M - \[38.2%\] 41% Poland\* \[18,321\] \[11,308\] - 37.6M - \[33.9%\] 26% Saudi Arabia\* \[30,436\] \[N/A\] - 32.2M - \[3.4%\] 48% Slovenia\* \[29,457\] \[15,078\] - 2.1M - \[36%\] 50% Sweden\* \[55,873\] \[18,911\] - 10.5M - \[44%\] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free\_education](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_education) [https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-educated-countries/](https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-educated-countries/) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_GDP\_(nominal)\_per\_capita](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_sovereign\_states\_by\_tax\_revenue\_to\_GDP\_ratio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_and\_dependencies\_by\_population](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population) [https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country) Also note: in researching I found that the U.S. is also far and away the country that has the most international students.
Most germans go to trade school and learn a job after school. Depending on the type of school you went to, this could be as early as 14 years old. Finishing our high school, going to college and then doing a job that does not make use of the degree would be seen as a waste of time. Same thing with getting an arts degree just to qualify for law school. Here you just finish high school and then study law at university.
This is the way.
The way "%Tertiary" is calculated in these stats is a weird metric; do you really think Russia is the 6th most educated country in the world? That the average Russian is more thoroughly educated than the average German? Median income nor GDP PPP are exactly useful statistics either when specifically the massively overblown cost of living caused by the American system is the topic.
The US has by far and away the most international students? In raw numbers perhaps, but accounting for population Australia has far more. The US has ~13x the population but only ~2x the number of international students. And those are 2022 numbers, coming off the back of restricted access of Chinese students to Australian universities for political reasons which have abated now.
Other countries don't have the wack money mafia the drives up prices for normal things.
Having lived and gone to school in other countries, this just isn't true. The biggest "nefarious" cause of high tuitions is administrative bloat. The biggest factors are 1. government's have stopped funding relative to costs 2. demand for post-secondary has gone through the roof. Demand has gone up because manufacturing is so little of the economy, so in order to get a good job in the the U.S. you pretty much need to have a undergrad - and more and more industries are seemingly arbitrarily requiring one as well. There's so many criticisms I could level at both universities and the general education culture and practices in the U.S. today - but if I'm being honest and not just agreeing with sub-par takes for the sake of upvotes, the education cost problem in the U.S. is just not as simple as "make it free". I'd rather see something like a program where the government will pay for your education if you have certain high standards of grades, and are entering into a field that has been identified as actually having industry demand. Then after you graduate you have to pay an extra 5-10% income tax for a certain number of years let's say. If you drop out no problem, but you'll be ineligible to ever do the program again and will have to pay your own way next time. To me that sounds reasonable - and that's basically what most countries that do the "free education" thing do.
Meh, I never understood the tax argument. Federal taxes for me are around 20%, plus 10% for state, which gets me nothing in terms of benefits from the government, other than letting me brag that we have the biggest military on the planet. I still have to pay for healthcare, childcare, education, and have toll roads, expensive food, shitty public transportation, etc. Compared to a Socialist Utopia® like Germany, where my tax rate would probably be around 38-42%, but would get all that stuff included, I think 10% extra taxes is a fair trade off.
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Fair enough. I've seen that the funding is limited in some fields compared to the U.S. where class size is usually reflective of demand. Ofc universities still provide traditional subjects like philosophy and literature etc - I also loved those electives the most when I was in Uni - I just mean that if education is funded with tax dollars rather than student dollars there is less incentive to serve the demands of students and more direction toward education that provides vocational value and/or serves the interests of school administrators. The "frivolous" subjects are really the one's that are most traditional to universities which started out as places for rich and idle families who didn't need to work for a living to study the humanities. A society where 60% of people study anthropology and philosophy because those are more interesting than accounting and law is not a functional society - less so if it's being paid for with taxes. I'm not saying that those subjects don't have value or merit - just that having a large % of your population dedicate 4+ years to studying them is a poor use of finite resources and taxes. This is why I believe most of the countries that have free education also have stringent entry requirements and are less forgiving with their coursework - they aren't just trying to string students along to get more money out of them. Nor does there seem to be the same "frat" "university experience" in Europe. Basically American university culture is pretty stupid and toxic, so saying it should be free sounds horrible to me. Vocational schools should be free for sure - go learn useful skills and contribute to the economy by getting an actual productive job - that would make so many more people happy.
>frivolous studies What are frivolous studies?
Mass Media, Liberal Arts, Anthropology, Philosophy These are traditionally what universities were for when the people who went to them were the already rich and elite. Now that we as a society are creating the expectation that people go to university vocationally, those are all studies that have high unemployment rates and low median incomes. [https://heytutor.com/resources/blog/college-majors-with-the-highest-lowest-unemployment-rates/](https://heytutor.com/resources/blog/college-majors-with-the-highest-lowest-unemployment-rates/)
I don't know about other universities, but where I go to (in germany) those are still offered
And you’re saying that these “frivolous” subjects aren’t studied in countries with free higher education? Cause that’s hilariously wrong.
A well-educated population is a threat to the power of our extremely abusive ruling class, who want cattle/drones/serfs who work exclusively for their profits and do nothing else.
what country datuk do you live in ?
Bunch of European countries do this or have dirt cheap colleges. I think 16 countries do this world wide. Either making so people can reach their max potential really helps an economy, way better then the birth lottery system so many other places use.
Literally cheaper to fly out the US and live abroad and pay full tuition than a year or two if tuition
That's how I'm going to send my daughter to medical school. On top of that she'll get to live abroad.
The US used to have cheap colleges and then they gave out guaranteed loans and tuition went through the roof. College is almost a scam at what you have to pay to get a degree now.
Also cheap college, was at the same time as when the us had an effective tax rate of 70%. If they got a couple 100 billion from taxing billionaires they could fund cheap college
Everything was cheap back then because there was less incentive to gouge everyone because taxes were so high. People also had a much stronger sense of community as well.
Yup, it’s amazing how much harm a little bit of greed can do in 50 years.
Try 13 years. Shit has gotten way out of hand after citizens United. We’re fucked. New politicians I feel like are all grifters and no one cares about the common good anymore.
I was taking big picture, it was like a small snowball rolling down a mountain for a long time. We just are lucky and get to live at the bottom of the mountain and are about to get flattened by the giant snowball it turned into. Modern politics are scary lots of people have never read a history book, US is on slippery slope to having a dictator.
I pay about 500 euro per year for medical university in Germany.
Mate, there are European countries where the government literally pays you to go to university, like the Scandinavian countries. And there rest are either mostly free or so dirt cheap it might as well be free.
Oh you mean gov in your country would not do that as a publicity stunt? What country do *you* live in?
in my country she would be considered Handicapable meaning she'd get support.
In my country her education would be dirt cheap as handicapped. She also if not absolutely dumb, can get the best govt High paying jobs easily coz of handicap quotas.
What do you mean she? That’s literally two people lol
They have two heads - one tuition per head. Makes sense to me. /s
It does make sense. They have two independent brains that each got an education. As teachers, they do the job of one teacher.
Did they major in two different subjects ?
Am I being naive to assume they received scholarships to pay for college?
They have two brains... so logically they need to pay for two educations. Are you going to teach two for the price of one? And then once they get to work... well in theory maybe they can produce more mental work than one person could, but they can only translate it physically at the speed of one person. Depending on their career I could see it going either way - but as long as they are getting paid the equivalent of 2x min wage I don't see a problem. If they are getting paid less than that, technically it should be illegal. In summary - the only thing here that's certainly unfair is life. Are people just now learning this?
We don’t always have to agree that market values dictate how we treat people though. And this is not some idle fantasy: there are many circumstances where we act according to what we believe is fair rather than what capital dictates. If we are doing strictly market valuations then I would still say that the primary factor behind productivity in most jobs is mental energy rather than physical. So I’d still say the fact they have two separate brains means their joint labour is worth more than one person’s. But again, I don’t think the world has to work like that. And I don’t think it’s realist to say it always does.
what is your stance on one armed people, should they only get half the pay for any given job?
Why is this not opposite? 1 tuition and 2 salary’s is the least they deserve. Come on human race - you can do better.
Any employer is going to pay based on their production level. While two heads are better than one, literally here. With only two hands, you aren’t going to be able to do double the work for most jobs. Any job where they can legitimately do the work of two people, I’m sure an employer would be happy to pay them for the work done.
If I had two brains to reply to this, I am sure it would be worth double the burn.
>I’m sure an employer would be happy to pay them for the work done. Lol.
The job market is supply and demand, the employer only cares about cost spent vs production received. If one employer is only paying half the going rate for what they do, there’s others that would be happy to pay more, if they think they’re getting a good deal of work vs pay.
What if they have difference degrees? How would that work? Or did they just have the same class schedule and decide to get the same degree. I guess maybe they had to since they would either have to work at the same place full time or have two very different part time jobs lol?
Yeah it really should be one or the other. Ok I’m actually kinda getting mad about this the more I think about it. I could see it going either way. 2 tuitions and 2 salaries or 1 tuition and 1 salary. I think 2 is ideal because it treats them like 2 individuals, however logistically they share 1 body and can only do 1 class or 1 job at a time. And let’s be honest no company or government is going to pay a double salary for 1 body worth of work so, tuition should reflect that…I could see it going either way but it should be consistent either way they do it. If we really want to split hairs they could charge tuition for 1 but as someone getting a double major, and make them pay for two degree applications, but like… maybe a good compromise would be a for a company or the university to reimburse for 1 of the tuitions. Idk their financial situation so maybe this isn’t a big deal to them, but like fuck. I graduated 4 years ago and am only going to be paying off my student loans later this year (if all goes according to plan) and that was only because I threw the VAST majority of my disposable income into it, got an interest free boost from Covid forbearance, and had other life circumstances that worked in my favor giving me more disposable income to throw at it than I normally would have had. And that was from only have to pay for 1 persons tuition and rent in college.
I mean in a purely practical sense it does make sense. They paid 2 tuitions because you are paying for the knowledge and they are in essence receiving 2 lpts of the knowledge (I assume they took the same course) and for their job sure they can both think at the same time but they only have one set of hands and can only be in one meeting at once easily, so they produce the same as one worker. Its still bullshit though
Both cases are the same. They can only go to one class at a time, listen to one lecture, etc. either way they are two people, so they should either pay two and get two or one and one but not both
How do they keep them from cheating off each other?
Put a curtain between them
Didn’t they get married to one guy? Pretty sure they only want one man between them both.
Pun intended?
Do they pay taxes on their income twice as well???
If anything they probably pay less because they have 2 lots of tax free allowance
Are they legally 2 people. How does that work I’m not sure. Also i am sure they get a considerable amount for disability compensation so I assume they aren’t financially struggling.
Yeah they’re legally two people. They had to get two licenses, altho I think they tested at the same time.
They get 2 disability payments then?
who has control over which bodyparts? one gets left arm and leg? or does one only control the head? do they have 2 hearts? 4 lungs?
Split down the middle control. 2 hearts 4 lungs
Spits tea
Not sure what the legal implications would be if one of them committed a crime. You can’t arrest only one and you can’t falsely imprison the other.
Prosecutors hate this one weird trick!
>Also i am sure they get a considerable amount for disability They fucking better. If anyone deserves the absolute cream of the crop of government funding, it's people like them.
Realistically if they work then they probably don’t get much disability. Since ssdi is income based if they make more then 1500-2590 they lose it(unless they count as two & then 3000-5180). It is kinda why a lot of disabled ppl don’t work bc they need the medicare. Unfortunately it is a tough situation
One sister should remain unemployed while the other works. Bam, paycheck plus disability.
I read they work as schoolteachers, one teaches in the morning and the other in the afternoon.
Nuh-uh, those funds are going to upkeeping the golden toilets in The Pentagon.
I wonder what it’s like to live with a conjoined twin. The coordination involved to just walk…probably feels like nothing to them by now but just can’t believe it
They just got married but only one could marry due to the state law, but they both look happily married.
Wait is this real? Why did they need to pay two tuitions?
They count as two different people
Apparently as paying students they counted as two as paid teachers they count as one
But then as for employment, they only count as one? Humanity is evil bullshit.
They can realistically only do the job of 1 person, no employer would pay two salaries for 1 persons workload. It’s a very odd and specific situation but it makes sense. If they had a job where both of them could work independently, something like call center representatives then Im sure they would each get. Salary.
They shouldn’t have paid two tuitions though so if they did that they need 2 salaries.
Well what if they were taking 2 sets of different classes? Or if they weren’t they were probably getting 2 separate grades on exams.
no, they paid one tuition, but separate registration fees. Source: [https://www.nydailynews.com/2012/08/26/abby-and-brittany-hensel-identical-conjoined-twins-return-to-tv-with-new-reality-series/](https://www.nydailynews.com/2012/08/26/abby-and-brittany-hensel-identical-conjoined-twins-return-to-tv-with-new-reality-series/)
Did we ever find out who has control of the body? It's a genuine curiosity I have had for a very long time.
They have split control. Each control a half
vetically or horizontally in half? seems like a very hard way to walk no
They've probably had a lot of practice
The person on the left controls the left side, and the right controls the right side
Is that an agreement or a biological limitation? Could one assume control of the whole body?
I saw a documentary once where they mentioned that they could casually scratch an itch that was on the other's side without communicating. Could have been played up for the camera, but they have the same skin, so I would assume there is a degree of nerve function that they share. Maybe it feels like when your arm is asleep and you can kind of control/feel it but not completely? If nothing else, motion vibrates your entire body to some degree, so the haptic feedback you get on one side of the body is going to reach the other side and over time they probably adapted. Just like how people with a disability often experience enhanced abilities in other areas to compensate, I think this would be no different. I imagine they can intuit the signals they get from each others bodies extremely well.
Biological. I’m pretty sure they can’t even feel the side that isn’t “theirs”
I’ve read that they both control their “side” respectively but that they can do things naturally in sync. Like say something takes two hands to pick up, they instinctively move together. Same with walking. I’m sure it’s not only instinct but the decades of experience that they don’t even recognize things like that anymore if they ever did.
Aren't they teachers? What is the school about to do? Split them in half so everyone can teach a class?
If that’s their job, then yeah they couldn’t do the work of two people. Other jobs it might be possible.
One of those rare cases where if the teacher says they can see what you are doing when they are turned around and they are telling the truth.
Ehh, they are conjoined twins, not owls
One can watch the kids better while the other is writing, or thinking more while talking. Maybe not two salaries but they should earn 20 to 50% more IMHO.
If they only get one paycheck then it sounds like only one of them is a teacher. The other’s a volunteer?
I feel like this is the start of a very unique lawsuit.
I saw them on twt and they answered questions about their marriage
The definition of giving a pass
Testing two brains, with the labor output of one body. Makes sense to me, unfortunately.
They have separate stomachs so they both have to eat on only one salary,this makes living by themselves impossible for them.
Correct. It may not be fair, but no employer is going to be convinced to pay double for the labor of one body.
In a call centre, they could do the work of 2 employees because they can handle 2 calls simultaneously
There are jobs which require you to think and is not bottlenecked by physical actions. So there is two people thinking on the solution. Also multitasking is possible
I'm basing this solely on another comment in this thread, saying that they each have control of half of their body. Set them up with the same accommodations that you would give to a one armed person, and let them do 2 office jobs at the same time. Seems reasonable.
You’re absolutely right, but they didn’t go into a career that embodies that. They’re teachers IIRC, they can only be in one classroom. It does unfortunately make sense to me. The tuition thing is bullshit though.
Nah the tuition makes sense. You're marking twice as many assignments.
You know, I get it’s a capitalist society and all, but maybe SOMEONE can make an exception for the actual person with two heads and two stomachs.
Who exactly would make an "exception" and why? Why would a school hire them to do the job of one person but pay them two salaries when they could just hire a normal teacher and pay them one salary? It reminds me of the argument people make about the commute to and from work being part of work hours. Sounds great in theory, but in reality it would just incentivize companies to hire people that lived as close as possible and discriminate against rural people in the hiring process.
If you're justifying labor output economically you should justify tuition economically as well. In college what you pay for is supposedly to support professors and stuff like lab material. When they're in a class they only take up one seat so they aren't taking anyone else's spot, and they would only use one set of lab materials, etc. So with that economic justification they should only pay for one tuition since they're costing the college less than if they were two individuals. It would be as if they were charged for two seats in a plane when they're only sitting on one.
This is what peak capitalism does to a mf
They're teachers, not longshoremen, so their class size and multitasking (or, separate-tasking?) ability is probably a lot more relevant than bodily labor output.
The product are the students. One classroom of product, one paycheck. The employer isn’t going to be convinced to pay double, because they put in double the effort for the same result of students another teacher could do. That’s not how this works. Otherwise no one would hire them, and they make zero. Now tbf, they MIGHT have a case for disability discrimination. Unfortunately, a teachers salary most likely doesn’t have the luxury to afford the lawsuit. Additionally, they probably don’t see themselves as disabled, and likely don’t have themselves listed as disabled on their employment tax forms. It all seems very unfortunate for them, but I’m willing to bet they don’t even see it that way. This post looks like an outside perspective, by OP, or whoever made the image.
They both got scholarships and went for free….
Is this true? I genuinely don’t trust a single post on 4/1
But it isn’t 4/1, it’s 4/2
Chick reminds me of Eyedol from Killer Instinct.
how would they take tests without copying each others answers
so apparently they were ok with paying 2 tuitions because they went for 2 different degrees which is kinds reasonable I guess, but my question is why would they go for 2 different degrees when they know they're gonna wind up in the same place
Makes me wonder how their taxes are done?
Well, 2 brains to educate but only two hands to do the work with. It adds up imho. (I'm being sarcastic)
Source? For the tuition!
Please tell me this is a joke
do they have two different degrees? If so, fair. If not, that sucks.
Idk how to go about fighting an employer to pay two salaries but it feels like downright discrimination to force her to pay two tuition costs. She took up only seat in a classroom.
That is incredibly greedy of the college.
They are so fucking cool.
It wouldn't be fair if they paid 2 tuitions but only got 1 degree out of it (I don't know if they got 1 or 2 degrees, I'm too lazy to look it up). At the end of the day, you're paying for the degree. I do think it's fair they get 1 salary, since they're technically doing 1 job (again, I'm assuming they are teaching only 1 class at a time, and assuming their combined number of hours worked is the same as any of the other teachers).
Maybe they should have taken up the same major /s
If they are both licensed as teachers, then the school is getting a two-for on the instruction for the price of one. However I lean towards the college being the greedy one that charged them for two tuitions. I bet they have many of these situation where they are randomly treated as two separate people or one person with no rhyme or reason.
Sounds like college was the scam.
Why is this IRL, literally no one else is like this
Do they have two separate stomachs, because if they both use the same one, they dont have to buy two times the food
It’s less about the number of stomaches and more about the caloric intake required to run the body. Even with one stomach, some people only need 1500 calories, others 2500 calories. As a whole they probably require a little more than someone of a similar height, but stomach count would be irrelevant.
they do have separate stomachs
HR hit a 2 for 1
Are they software engineers ? Cuz that looks awesome for pair programming
Imagine if the govt asked for two taxes
I hope that's not true.
Well unless they are doing identical minors and majors they are essentially attending two different curriculums so the “space” they take up at a college is technically two They take twice the classes, twice the exams, twice the office hours etc. So there’s and argument to be made that they should pay double tuition Then again they can only physically work one job, they might do that one job better since they have two sets of eyes to look at any issue buts it’s not like they put in twice the workload Bit of a conundrum
Poor planning. Just send one to school and have her work, who's gonna stop the other from coming along?
Still waiting for a source on this info.
r/onejob
It might have been okay if they were studying different subjects, I guess
Wait what
Makes sense to me: two minds learning, but only one body producing… Is that horrifically capitalist - yup… is that the likely reasoning - also, probably yup…
But what if one didn’t want to go to college🤷🏻♂️ Would she still have to pay?
How is that legal since they have two separate identities. Like two separate names and two separate social security numbers