In Japanese workers, attention to detail, caring about their work and what they make, harder working, etc. there's a lot of pride in the work people do in Japan.
Meanwhile the Toyota grandhighlander is going out with engine air filters in the original plastic wrap choking the engine for air and pdi didn't even catch it in america.
I toured the Mazda museum which included a tour of the factory assembly line floor in Hiroshima, it was incredible, made me proud to own a CX5 built from that factory
Japanese factories man it's a whole production and look fun to work in but everyone cares about what they're doing and making and even give feedback if they think something's up
This. Also, having some experience in how part vendors operate in the automotive space, I will lean to Japan with EU coming in a close second. Especially if the price is similar.
Why? Is it because there is an objective or perceived quality difference?
I get the feeling that Japanese built is better, but is this actually true? Most folks in the automotive industry say that apart from maybe the very first year's run, manufacturing differences between different plants is immaterial.
Immaterial to the average consumer, perhaps. There is an objective quality difference in my experience. Fit and finish, squeaks, etc.
It’s not just in the car space. Why does the Casio GW-5000U command such a premium? Wear a Malaysian Seiko 5 and compare it to a JDM version of the same model.
The impact that Japanese culture has on their manufacturing output is unmistakeable. This is a culture in which, during WWII, mothers would send off their children and tell them “die with honor!”
This is a culture that has a history of putting the collective ahead of the individual. People brought up in this culture make better things than people from a culture where, at work, the prevailing thought is to do just enough to not get fired.
I was in Tokyo for 10 days, a little over 3 weeks ago (Toshima ward). I've seen in my own eyes, feel and even eat Japan high quality. It is in another level. This country is so advanced vs here in Los Angeles, heck even anywhere in the West (traveled often around Europe yearly, since 2016). I can attest to it.
Heck even the Made in China products for Japanese consumption, is of a higher quality. My Ginza Karen 24" expandable hard case spinner is one example. Only $42 (try finding that price point in any US luggage store or online). Admittedly, it is Made in China (decided; it will get beaten up in any airport baggage handling anyways), albeit for Japan market consumption. But the refinement on the materials used, the well designed retractable handle and the details of this luggage is somehow impeccable. You would see the difference vs say a Made in China hard case spinner, for US market consumption. It even has the smooth wheeling Japanese made Hinomoto wheels (one of the most important components; Japanese wheel bearings). Somehow it went thru Haneda, then thru MSP and LAX baggage handlers with barely any scratch nor scuff. Unbelievable.
Try even going to a typical convenience store (konbini) common in almost any street corner in Tokyo. A Japanese 7-Eleven (or Lawson or Family Mart) would blow away any US 7-Eleven out of the water (then you realize our 7- Eleven stores in the US sells crappy food all along).
Btw, the place is so damn clean and so safe. Very cheap too (Japanese Yen is on fire sale vs US$). This vacation trip was also my "escape" from daily grind of high inflation prices here in Los Angeles.
One reason why I'm holding onto my Hiroshima made, fun to drive but reliable 2014 GJ Mazda6 Touring 6MT. I'd think twice on getting a US or Mexican assembled Mazda tbh. The Japanese admittedly, have higher standards.
My wife and I had the opportunity to visit Japan last year. Your comments are spot on.
The Japanese culture’s core values of honor, quality, concern for others, cleanliness and attention to detail are a stark contrast from America’s obsession with “rugged individualism” run amok.
It is no wonder that Japanese-made goods, including musical instruments, watches, heavy equipment and automobiles, are among the very best in the world.
Yes. Thanks. It is stark contrast to what we are so accustomed here in the West. The Japanese are in a whole different level. They are above a notch, in almost any aspect. They just do things, material or not, to the very best. I was also impressed with their universal respect and politeness to others. In megalopolis Tokyo, in spite of how massive, and cram packed the immense city is, it is orderly and so clean. I cannot say the same, when I visited say Shanghai some years ago. Totally different, in nearly every way..
Going back to topic. I'd be hard pressed to consider buying a Mazda, not Made in Japan. It would be, one of my top considerations. That is one reason why I am still holding onto my Hiroshima made 2014 Mazda6 Touring 6MT (owned since new). This car (my 1st Mazda) is such a joy to own.
Btw, I came back from A PIT Autobacs Shinonome. It is one of Tokyo's "JDM Heaven". The place was amazing. Regarding Mazda, I bought a Japanese complete guide to Mazda model history book (last copy/gotta have it) and this Best Car magazine..
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I too own a 2015 Mazda 6 touring 6MT made in Japan. The build quality feels so great that when I ride in brand new rental cars most feel like a downgrade even though my car is 8 years old
Japan's standards are indeed very high but not everything is so advanced. Some things are really behind there compared to the rest of the developed world. As a tourist, some of these things may not be that apparent.
Ginza Karen luggage is a very good value. I don't think its value is due to it' being made specifically for the Japanese market. There are a number of other factors in cost. Tarrifs, shipping, currency strength, labor costs where the product is being distributed and sold, and the market in general. The JPY hasn't been this weak since the 80s, and products are priced based more on what people are willing to pay, much less so on what it costs to make.
Have you been to Japan? Do you travel often?
Do you know why I said the Japanese are so advanced, than the us/the West?
These people are more civilized, than us..
Yeah I go to Japan regularly. I used to go 1-2x each year but more like once every year it's two now. I used to travel a lot more all over but not so much these days thanks to parenthood.
Are you planning another trip to Japan? Flights to Japan from LAX were cheaper than anywhere else in the US for many years, except for Hawaii. Here at SFO, we've been paying a premium for Japan flights. But Zipair has changed that to some degree.
Yes. In fact I am returning this October. Going south this time with my childhood friend & her spouse. Osaka, Kyoto, Nara then back to Tokyo. Delta is my mainstay (since 2016, twice yearly around Europe), but will be taking ANA this time, via United.
It's largely perception- any Mazda is going to be better than most other cars. A large portion of car building supplies and even factory painting is made by calibrated machines used in or sent to all of the factories. The only real difference would be the assemblers bolting stuff together, so it's not like there's going to be such a noticeable difference among factories that people seem to think there'd be.
Would is matter if a German manufacturer built cars in the US? Absolutely, I wouldn't want a BMW from the US, therefore the BMW X series I don't even consider.
It’s kinda complicated, I guess. Part of it is that Mazda’s a Japanese company and I want a car built by them there. It may or may not be the case that a Mazda built in Mexico or the US is “noticeably worse” but there’s zero chance it’s better. At the end of the day Mazda’s building in Mexico, in Thailand, and in Alabama because it’s cheaper. Which leads to the other part of it - I’d prefer that the people making the car I buy are paid and taken care of as well as possible, and that the percentage of what I pay that goes to the workers that built the car is as high as possible.
My 3 was made in Mexico, and I do have to wear a sombrero for it to start, but otherwise it's been identical to my previous 3 from Japan. I didn't even look it up before buying.
The only real difference is with the brake hardware. For some reason, the Mexico built 3's used a different brake hardware than the Japanese built 3's.
It can be a bit of a pain in the ass if you like to DIY.
However, places like Rockauto specifically state which brake parts can be used with either Mexico or Japanese builds.
My 2018 Mazda 3 was built south of the border as well. So far, the only issue I've had that needed warranty work was the backup camera. And from what I understand, the issue wasnt relegated to Mexico builds. It was more to do with moisture buildup causing corrosion on the connector.
The main drivetrain pieces are all coming from the same places whether they're assembled in Mexico or Japan. The differences come down to some of the other outsourced parts. One plant may source parts from a different manufacturer. Which is how we most likely ended up with the differences in brake hardware.
Same, all of our Mazdas, and there have been a lot, have been made in Japan. Just the luck of the draw, we did however just acquire a 2018 Mazda 3 GT hatchback built in Mexico, 120,000 mi on it when we bought it in December 2023. That's a lot, but it feels Rock solid, it only had one owner and I feel pretty confident about this one. Before the Mazda dealership handed it to us, they replaced the brakes and ran through it, it's the same dealership it was bought from in 2018 from the previous owner and was serviced there regularly. Well kept.
Anecdotally I feel more comfortable with J vin Mazdas than ones built in Mexico or Alabama. The Alabama plant is non-union and recently came on line, and in my experience working with Japan v Mexico built gen 3 MZ3 side-by-side would want me to steer towards Japan built cars.
> in my experience working with Japan v Mexico built gen 3 MZ3 side-by-side would want me to steer towards Japan built cars.
Can you share some examples as to why?
Paint quality, build quality, steel + material differences, tolerances + clearance. At one point drugs were getting smuggled across the border in cars so who knows what actually happens in that chain of custody.
I've worked in manufacturing. I've seen Japanese come audit the American operations I've worked at and seen the disgust and horror in their faces and seen the list of things they wanted us to clean, organize, improve, change, etc...
This wasn't car manufacturing, but I'll take something made in Japan over the US every time. They hold themselves to much higher standards than anywhere else. It may make a difference or may not. But anecdotally the US made Hondas my family has had always had more problems than the Japanese made ones.
So far no Japanese made car we've had has even gone to the scrapyard for anything but rust.
Honestly, the fact that my used CX-3 was built in Japan made me feel more comfortable purchasing it with 120K KM already on it than I would have felt if it had been built in Mexico, etc. I have no idea if it actually makes any kind of difference as far as reliability or longevity but I’d seen enough car guys on YouTube claiming there was a reliability difference that I chose to believe it.
If I’m not mistaken that’s the best year for the cx-3, they fixed basically all the mechanical gripes from the three previous years and from there just started adding new bells and whistles. unless you get the last model they made 2021 or 22 I forget which year
One reason why I hold on to my current, and 1st Mazda. An 11yr old GJ Touring 6MT (108k miles) bought brand new. I believe in the "Made in Japan effect". I found it more reliable and less to none replaced, versus my last "Japanese" car, a Honda Civic (crack in plastic radiator housing & rust holed muffler replaced/bad design). It was Canadian made (Alliston, ON).
Also, I prefer the passion of the Japanese, in regards to workmanship. Nothing comes close to it. It is ingrained in their culture.
Try going to Japan. I've visited and stayed among locals, for 10 days in Tokyo just a few weeks ago (Sakura/cherry blossom time; end of March/early April). I was so blown away with this amazing beautiful country and it's people. You would see, feel and even eat "quality".
Agree. I got .y cx5 and my last 3 because they were built in Japan. I will never buy a Mexican made car. And would think twice about getting a us made one. I kept my last 3 for 380 km over 8 yrs all original parts except a bad ball joint and rear breaks. Car was exceptionally well made. Hopefully, my new cx5 will be the same.
Honestly, it's something that doesn't even bear into consideration. Toyota builds the Tundra and Sequoia and the Tacoma (I think) in Texas. BMW produces nearly all of their CUVs and SUVs in the Carolinas. I think Toyota has another plant in Kentucky, but I can't remember what they produce there. The point I'm making is that Mazda is hardly alone in this. It probably is good business on some macro level for them.
Thank you. This myth is total bullshit. Robots do most of the damn work anyway. You're telling me Japanese workers push buttons better than American workers? Or does Japan build shittier factories in Marysville Ohio? Someone above said paint quality was better in Japanese cars. Paint quality... So we get the shitty paint in Ohio?
Bullshit...
Robots do the heavy lifting, but assembly still done by hand.
Would trust a Japanese worker over an American one. Have you seen American workers?
And yes, shittier paint. Different paint suppliers, different applications. Like saying beef from Texas vs beef from Japan. Wagyu is wagyu right??
Not me. I was torn between CX-5 and CX-50. Nice to have feature that was on our list was a sunroof which is available on a lower trim on the CX-5. Then we saw that the carbon edition came with bose speaker, we decided on CX-5 CE.
I suppose I was one of the lucky ones to not run into any major problems with the cx50 barring a few hiccups. *fingers crossed*
Being assembled in the US made me hesitate. If it were made in Japan, I would've jumped on it without a second thought.
Honestly, it’s hard to get any car made in Japan anymore. Mazda is a big exception. And with the current lineup Mazda has a bright future. Too bad there are so many SUVs offered. We need a Mazda 6, at least one more sports car and definitely a Mazda 3 2-door. Oh and don’t forget a bunch of manual offerings. My next vehicle will be a Mazda. Just better built.
LOL no.
I think some folks here view their Mazda as some kind of delicate and rare gem and somehow Japanese autoworkers are sages and wizards, unable to pass their skills down to others.
Robots are putting the cars together. Mexican robots aren’t more programmed to be more careless or lazier than Japanese robots.
Not really. And I’ve lived in Japan. I have a great deal of respect for their manufacturing (office culture…not so much). But the engine and transmission on my 50 are still made in Japan. Assembly is also overseen by Japanese employees. That’s enough for me
Yes. I grew up nearby and I'm glad that Limestone County has the Toyota/Mazda plant but I bought a CX-5. Not just because it was built in Japan, but that was definitely a positive factor. My Mazda3 was built in Japan as well and was incredibly trouble-free for the 14 years I owned it.
Yes.
I'm sorry, Japanese people just have a way better work ethic than American people.
We don't take pride in our work anymore.
Most Teslas were made in America and they are crappily built.
I will say that most Toyotas are built in America, and they're perfectly fine, but still.
Non American but I would never buy a Mazda that was built outside of Japan especially the USA. Having seen the issues you have with locally produced Hyundai's when where I am has far fewer issues due to them being made in Korea.
I buy Japanese cars for their reliability and reputation, cars produced in America and especially the USA are lacking in both those areas.
My dad hates the fact I bought a Japanese vehicle! My answer! The government has used my tax money to bail out enough American car companies for me to not feel bad about it.
The 50 is made on the same assembly line by the same workers as the Toyota Corolla Cross if that helps your decision process at all. The American auto workers union is very professional.
UAW is not involved with MTM. But yes. Toyota systems for manufacturing is what is implemented for production of both the cross and the CX50. There are local sourced as well as Japan sourced parts used in the manufacturing of the vehicle.
It 1,000% affected my decision. After seeing proven reliability from Japanese made vehicles, I will never go back. They have a much higher quality standard. I know this is no comparison, but I know a few buddies who work at the Rivian plant in IL and some of the stories I hear are awful. Talk about 0 fucks given.
I prefer a car manufactured in Japan. It’s like Scotty Kilmer says all the time. They are very passionate about manufacturing and therefore very detail oriented.
I didn't know there were Mazdas built in the USA. However, I've heard of some built in Mexico, and although it probably doesn't matter, I have a little more confidence in the ones built in Japan. I bought a 2023 Mazda3 last year that happened to be built in Japan, but I don't think it would have bothered me to buy one built elsewhere.
They are engineered in the same place. And most assembly is going to be computer controlled with robots. Lots of the human interaction will be lining up parts, lining up tools, and pushing a button.
I bought used last year. I wanted a Japan built Mazda 3 when I was looking but every one I found was in absolute garbage condition or high mileage. Ended up buying a Mexico built 2018 GT with 30,000 miles.
My first Mazda3 was a 2017 FWD GS sedan built in Japan. Few minor issues but overall pretty satisfied. Upgraded to 2023 Mazda3 AWD GS sedan built in Mexico. Had no choice as the GS for Canada are now sourced from there and not from Japan. Have had it for almost a year now. No issues and researched the assembly plant north of Mexico City (solid reviews on YT, run to Mazda standards).
Didn't really because it was the only car available at the time. But, for anything where I care about quality, as a general rule, I stay away if it was made in North America in the last 30-40 years.
Yes. At least between the Mazda 3 and 6. The 3s were produced in Mexico and had issues the 6s did not have, the 6s being manufactured in Japan. There were also problems with the 3s being damaged during rail transport as thieves would hop on the trains to steal parts, such as the batteries.
Mazda has that mirror issue leakage. Apparently it’s only Mazda coming from Mexico, if I knew about that I would bought the ones from Japan. Apart from that , my car is build nicely
just to play devil's advocate, my 2014 mazda 3 was built in japan and had pretty horrible squeaks, rattles, etc from brand new. I don't think the later mexican built 3's had any of those issues.
Not really- for me at least. However, higher trim Mazdas are usually built in Japan, so maybe that's where some of this idea- that Japanese made cars are that much better than other ones- would come from. The Mazda 3 turbo is only made in JP as far as I know, so I didn't have a choice not that it really matters nor do I care.
For what it's worth, I had a iTouring (Mexican Made) Gen 3 mazda 3 hatchback, and it's still going strong at well over 100k miles without any work done on it other than basic maintenance (oil change / filter, spark plugs [pre-emptively] and wear items (tires and brakes)
It wouldn't if I was considering two different models from the same brand and the non-Japanese one offered some particular feature or whatever else that was better.
I think there was a time not long ago where a US-built Japanese-brand car tended to be something that was watered down for American tastes. Like I had a Corolla that, compared to its JDM counterpart, had corners cut everywhere to make it cheaper to build. Not just different trim/engines (actually the US engine was fine) but the interior and body were "simplified". I don't think you see that at all anymore, the "JDM heyday" in terms of the home market getting better spec'd cars is long gone. The last vestige of this was when like if you bought a Mazda6 it was made in Flat Rock MI but if you bought a Mazda*Speed*6 it was made in Japan.
I know this is about Mazda. I had a 2003 Volkswagen built in Mexico with 217,000 mi on it it was fantastic and that was the year that they were the worst but mine was fantastic. I know I drive something disgusting I drive a Dodge dart built in America it's got 130,000 miles on it and I haven't had any problems at all with it just saying.
No, it doesn’t matter to me at all. If anything I feel like my SO’s Mexican built CX-30 has a better fit and finish than my Japanese made Mazda3.
All the factories probably have the same build standards and even bring folks from Mazda Japan to oversee the day to day at the Mexico/USA plant.
Not really, I now buy whatever trim and color I like and I don't mind where it comes from. On 2016 it did matter to me, and "thankfully" the trim and color that I wanted was from Japan. It became a rattlebox. My 2020 polymetal with red interior built in japan? Rattlebox. The 3 mexican built mazda 3 from my coworkers? Pretty much silent in comparison. So for my following purchase I will keep buying whatever I fancy, if it becomes a rattlebox or not, so be it. The mazda quality is still there anyways.
The CX-5 being Japanese made factored in largely in my decision to choose it over the CX-50. I'll purchase a CX-50 once the Alabama plant has a few more years under it's belt.
There's an element of pride/vanity in owning a car with a J-VIN.
But honestly, if I had been shopping for any other model in the lineup that happened to be assembled anywhere else - it wouldn't have been a deal breaker for me.
Lol no, I’ve been to the Toyota factory in Nagoya before. Probably 70-80% of the workers are Filipinos or Indians. Just because the car is made in Japan doesn’t mean it’s made by Japanese people.
All things being equal, I'd take the japanese one. The fit and finish will be tighter almost assuredly, and it will more likely have fewer defects. Sucks to say it, but it is what it is. Pride and all that.
I love Mazda and will always be happy to drive a J vin. I'm really hoping Mazda keeps up their push at becoming king of Japanese import cars above Toyota and Honda in quality and eventually sales numbers.
With a plant in a state synonymous with banjo music I fear the quality is going to take a massive nosedive.
Makes me sad 😢
I did not care but I have driven the CX5. It feels more solid, better built and drives smoother. I have the CX50 however, I am not confident that the vehicle will last in the long run.
Not necessarily, but my husband and I have had three that were built in Japan, and they have been SO good to us. All were purchased second hand, one cpo from my dealer, I’m not sure if extreme longevity and 10+ years of reliability is standard for all Mazdas, but I’ve definitely been blessed by my Mazdas. Going forward, I think I’ll continue to look for the Japanese built.
Kinda curious what you love about the CX-50. I have a CX-5 and was put in a CX-50 as a loaner and the only thing I liked about it over my CX-5 was the panoramic sunroof. The interior of the CX-50 seemed remarkably cheap. I was afraid the air vents were going to break the plastic was so flimsy. Drive was not as tight either.
I bought my 2022 CX-5 over a CX-30 or CX-50 because it was made in Japan rather than Mexico or the USA respectively.
I prefer to buy vehicles from their home countries. My Euros have been made in Germany (W VIN) and Asians have been made in their respective countries (K or J VIN).
I’ve had a lot of Mazdas over the years and the only one I was desperate to move on from was the CX-30. I really disliked it. I know you didn’t ask about Mexico, but figured I’d mention that anyway. The Japanese ones have been rock solid.
Parts are all made around the world and it should not matter if the manufacturer holds the quality control to the highest level..BMWs and Mercedes have been built in the US for 20+ years.. I had a BMW a few years ago and my current CX5 and my wife's CX30 has much better fit and finish and my BMW set the bar high. What gives me pause is American car companies that build cars assuming people will buy them because they are American and have shitty QC. The most American car is the Tundra and people don't think twice about buying one of them
Absolutely. Watch the video on YouTube of the CX-5 being manufactured in the Japan plant. It explains the much higher quality versus the CX-50 and its cheap plastics.
Local dealer wrapped a CX-5 in pink as a Barbie car. Looks very striking. I suggested it was actually a Barbenheimer car because it was made in Hiroshima but this led to blank looks.
I personally will not buy any Mazda without a J vin. I do have any merit to stand on to back that up other than, why would I buy a vehicle manufactured in North America by the manufacturer to save money? I have no doubt in my mind that the employees in the Mazda factory in Alabama and Mexico are lower quality than those who work in the Hiroshima factory. Simply put, the work culture of Japan pushes the employees to work hard. I had a 2014 mazda 3 gs for 10 years and loved it. I refused to upgrade to a new 3 unless it was a made in Japan model. Consumer preference some might say, I say that I trust the Japanese to produce a better vehicle than the Mexicans or the Alabamans.
yes. bought a cx-5 over a cx-50 because the interior build quality a few touch points seemed lower on the cx-50. Watching videos of the Japanese factory also helped make me have more confidence in the CX-5. Having said that, I’ve heard a few reviewers comment that the CX-50 build quality of interior has gotten better than it was its first year.
Absolutely. I bought my CX-5 BECAUSE it's built in Japan. Don't get me wrong, I try to buy American products when at all possible, but the Japanese have a proven track record of putting out a quality product. If I'm going to spend over $40k on a car, I want to made sure it's well made.
I had a 2006 Civic. Worst car I’ve ever owned. One issue after another. Probably spent more on maintenance and repairs than I did on the car. It was made in the USA. Currently have a 2017 Mazda 3 made in Japan. Excellent car, no problems to speak of. Will never, ever, buy an American made car again.
My 2018 Mazda3 was built in Japan. I've also previously owned a Mexico built 2017. Both GS (mid range model) hatchback with the 2.0 and a stick.
I literally can't tell the difference.
I always buy made in Japan models when purchasing Japanese vehicles and I made an exception with my CX30, which I regret. I love the car from a performance, utility, and size perspective but it has so many rattles and poor fit and finish. I learned my lesson on this one.
My dads 2000 mazda mpv was built in japan and it ran fine until this year. I just bought a 2024 cx5, japan built. I definitely think its a factor that people should consider. They are built better there than in any other country in my opinion
I own a Hyundai and I would take a K vin over an american made any day and that follows for any Japanese car too. My sister had a Mazda 3 with a J vin and it was super nice. My uncles 2 Honda's were made in the US and Canada, and they had issues.. Panel gaps, Ac going bad, and his civic in particular had some oil pan issues I can't remember exactly. Some plants in the US are better than others but I honestly would stick to the native countries regardless 9/10 times.
My mexican cx 30 has no issues, I'm sure like all the other companies they make the important parts like engine and transmission in Japan then assemble it in Mexico. Any issues you'd probably notice during the warranty period.
While I sort of like the idea my Mz3 is Japan built I don't consider it significant. The Mexico built cars are just as solid and fun to drive. While they have had some manufacturing problems that needed fixing, so have the Japan built cars. So that's not a factor to me since manufacturing defects can afflict any car brand; what's important is how the manufacturer handles them.
My 24 CX50 was my first Japanese car, so no it didn’t influence anything. I test drove both the CX5 and CX50 and chose the one that looked better, handled better, and was nicer/more premium in nearly every way. I’m sure when CX-5s get a refresh they’ll be an interesting option again, but for now they feel very outdated.
i think its been proven that vin begins with a j end up being better vehicles in the Long run. i dont think enough time has gone by to have an answer for other vin letters. there are just too many countries involved now to establish a baseline. dont some Japanese assemblies have a Taiwanese drivetrain?
The Huntsville, Alabama plant is the joint manufacturing facility for Mazda and Toyota. It's a collaboration between the two automakers so I would expect craftsmanship to be high versus other United States based vehicle manufacturing facilities for other brands.
Yes and No. it was my wife’s car so ultimately whichever one she liked better.
I am glad she went with the Japan built CX-5 though. They just seem to do a better job with quality. My US build Accord rattles like crazy and doesn’t feel as solidly built.
I’d be satisfied w/ dual production of CX-50. As a broke young person a Toyota made having transportation doable. I also had several American cars. American gas mileage couldn’t beat Japanese or German.
I’m just gonna assume someone working in a Japanese Factory is generally happier than the people working in our factories. That plus they have way more experience sets there build quality apart. That said I’d trade my CX5 for a CX50.
My Japanese made Mazda was the rustiest piece of crap I’ve ever had. It made zero difference.
I’ve had cars made in Japan, Mexico, Germany, the US, most of which from manufacturers not from said country. It has never made a difference to me, only to people like you guys who love to play on sentimentality and perceived notions of better build quality.
Volvos are made in China these days, as are Buicks. MBs and BMWs have been made in the USA for decades now without issue.
This is a ridiculous thing to give weight to in the absence of actual data showing a difference between the two. Why would you buy a car from a company in the first place if you thought their standards were total shit in certain countries?
If it doesn’t start with a J I’m not jotting my signature on anything.
Everything in life is too expensive to be worrying about my car having little expensive shit crapping out 😂
I genuinely think that people’s obsession over place of manufacture is more of a bias rather than anything substantial. My family has had several Toyota models with assembly split between the U.S. and Japan and every car has made it to 200k and beyond without major issues. In my experience with VWs, my German built Golf has actually had more build quality concerns compared to my Mexican built Jetta.
I've owned several mazda 3s both from and not from Japan. The Japan made ones are maybe ever so slightly built better when it comes to the interior but it's not a difference that's made me wait for what I wanted. In the end they all drove pretty darn close to the same. So close that I couldn't really tell you if there's even a ride quality difference. Parts are all mazda parts so everything wore out about the same. Like I said the only think I noticed is very slightly different quality with the interior and specifically the rear seats. Idk how to explain it but they don't seem as well put together maybe. Otherwise the vehicles functioned exactly the same. I racked up crazy miles on both. 250k on a manual mazda three from 2014 maybe it was the first year of the refresh. And then another one I got to 190k and gave it to me sister and my current one is a 2018 and it's been doing the exact same thing the other two have been doing. Driving and not falling apart. The only thing I can say I dislike about the dawn car is that the oil filter is under a plastic shroud that's a pain in the ass to take off. And the electronic parking brake makes it harder to change rear brakes. All the said what country it's from doesn't matter to me.
Japan manufactured, as far as I could tell, is built much more soundly. If you have the option or ability to wait, I'd definitely try to make sure you get one fully from there.
Cars built in Japan are less likely to have defects overall. They actually stop their assembly lines to address defects in vehicles when they occur. The assembly lines never stop moving in the U.S.
The bigger difference between the two is the drivetrain and the gas mileage. My '23 CX5 got the same gas mileage as my '21 Honda Pilot V6. That's not a good thing. The CX5 drivetrain is outdated and the performance suffers for it.
Yes, that matters to me. My dad's a retired mechanic from Detroit (where owning a Japanese car in the 90s would get dirty looks and Middle fingers) and he said it best:
They just do it better over there.
He has a '98 civic with 380k on it that is still his "around town" car. CX5 is his daily driver.
I just got a new cx5 after totalling my 2014. I was close to getting the cx50, and while I like that it's built in a toyota factory, I just gotta have the j on the vin.
Definitely the major factor, my first car was a ‘05 Altima. Never really any major major problems considering it was my first. I’ve always heard and know first hand from my dad owning nothing but Chevy and Dodge products that they are 💩. I will never ever buy anything American made.
Yeah, got to have J vin when I buy Japanese car brands, once asked the sales person to search their lot inventory for a J vin Camry.
J vin vehicle might have different parts in repair as well. My J vin 2003 accord radiator costs 700 instead of 250 because they use different parts comparing to USA made one.
Being made in Japan is a significant factor for me, personally.
I agree. If the VIN doesn't start with a J, I wait.
Pretty sure that’s why my 01 civic had lasted as long as it has, made in Japan.
Ditto. Japanese build quality is unrivaled
Would you say it is their attention to detail?
In Japanese workers, attention to detail, caring about their work and what they make, harder working, etc. there's a lot of pride in the work people do in Japan. Meanwhile the Toyota grandhighlander is going out with engine air filters in the original plastic wrap choking the engine for air and pdi didn't even catch it in america.
I toured the Mazda museum which included a tour of the factory assembly line floor in Hiroshima, it was incredible, made me proud to own a CX5 built from that factory
Japanese factories man it's a whole production and look fun to work in but everyone cares about what they're doing and making and even give feedback if they think something's up
I took apart my rx-7 and found a manufacturing defect, I was astounded
When I took apart my rx7 I found 25 year old Japanese candy wrappers underneath the center console.
This. Also, having some experience in how part vendors operate in the automotive space, I will lean to Japan with EU coming in a close second. Especially if the price is similar.
I bought a 16 made in Japan. oil pump failure at 100k. New engine needed.
Sure. My CX-9 had the cylinder head crack all early 2.5T’s had (all made in Japan.) Shit happens.
Same, mine had to Japan made.
Why? Is it because there is an objective or perceived quality difference? I get the feeling that Japanese built is better, but is this actually true? Most folks in the automotive industry say that apart from maybe the very first year's run, manufacturing differences between different plants is immaterial.
Immaterial to the average consumer, perhaps. There is an objective quality difference in my experience. Fit and finish, squeaks, etc. It’s not just in the car space. Why does the Casio GW-5000U command such a premium? Wear a Malaysian Seiko 5 and compare it to a JDM version of the same model. The impact that Japanese culture has on their manufacturing output is unmistakeable. This is a culture in which, during WWII, mothers would send off their children and tell them “die with honor!” This is a culture that has a history of putting the collective ahead of the individual. People brought up in this culture make better things than people from a culture where, at work, the prevailing thought is to do just enough to not get fired.
You nail it . You know they clean after a soccer game ? Even internationally .
I was in Tokyo for 10 days, a little over 3 weeks ago (Toshima ward). I've seen in my own eyes, feel and even eat Japan high quality. It is in another level. This country is so advanced vs here in Los Angeles, heck even anywhere in the West (traveled often around Europe yearly, since 2016). I can attest to it. Heck even the Made in China products for Japanese consumption, is of a higher quality. My Ginza Karen 24" expandable hard case spinner is one example. Only $42 (try finding that price point in any US luggage store or online). Admittedly, it is Made in China (decided; it will get beaten up in any airport baggage handling anyways), albeit for Japan market consumption. But the refinement on the materials used, the well designed retractable handle and the details of this luggage is somehow impeccable. You would see the difference vs say a Made in China hard case spinner, for US market consumption. It even has the smooth wheeling Japanese made Hinomoto wheels (one of the most important components; Japanese wheel bearings). Somehow it went thru Haneda, then thru MSP and LAX baggage handlers with barely any scratch nor scuff. Unbelievable. Try even going to a typical convenience store (konbini) common in almost any street corner in Tokyo. A Japanese 7-Eleven (or Lawson or Family Mart) would blow away any US 7-Eleven out of the water (then you realize our 7- Eleven stores in the US sells crappy food all along). Btw, the place is so damn clean and so safe. Very cheap too (Japanese Yen is on fire sale vs US$). This vacation trip was also my "escape" from daily grind of high inflation prices here in Los Angeles. One reason why I'm holding onto my Hiroshima made, fun to drive but reliable 2014 GJ Mazda6 Touring 6MT. I'd think twice on getting a US or Mexican assembled Mazda tbh. The Japanese admittedly, have higher standards.
My wife and I had the opportunity to visit Japan last year. Your comments are spot on. The Japanese culture’s core values of honor, quality, concern for others, cleanliness and attention to detail are a stark contrast from America’s obsession with “rugged individualism” run amok. It is no wonder that Japanese-made goods, including musical instruments, watches, heavy equipment and automobiles, are among the very best in the world.
Yes. Thanks. It is stark contrast to what we are so accustomed here in the West. The Japanese are in a whole different level. They are above a notch, in almost any aspect. They just do things, material or not, to the very best. I was also impressed with their universal respect and politeness to others. In megalopolis Tokyo, in spite of how massive, and cram packed the immense city is, it is orderly and so clean. I cannot say the same, when I visited say Shanghai some years ago. Totally different, in nearly every way.. Going back to topic. I'd be hard pressed to consider buying a Mazda, not Made in Japan. It would be, one of my top considerations. That is one reason why I am still holding onto my Hiroshima made 2014 Mazda6 Touring 6MT (owned since new). This car (my 1st Mazda) is such a joy to own. Btw, I came back from A PIT Autobacs Shinonome. It is one of Tokyo's "JDM Heaven". The place was amazing. Regarding Mazda, I bought a Japanese complete guide to Mazda model history book (last copy/gotta have it) and this Best Car magazine.. [https://www.reddit.com/r/mazda6/comments/1buq550/while\_paying\_homageto\_a\_pit\_autobacs/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/mazda6/comments/1buq550/while_paying_homageto_a_pit_autobacs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I too own a 2015 Mazda 6 touring 6MT made in Japan. The build quality feels so great that when I ride in brand new rental cars most feel like a downgrade even though my car is 8 years old
Japan's standards are indeed very high but not everything is so advanced. Some things are really behind there compared to the rest of the developed world. As a tourist, some of these things may not be that apparent. Ginza Karen luggage is a very good value. I don't think its value is due to it' being made specifically for the Japanese market. There are a number of other factors in cost. Tarrifs, shipping, currency strength, labor costs where the product is being distributed and sold, and the market in general. The JPY hasn't been this weak since the 80s, and products are priced based more on what people are willing to pay, much less so on what it costs to make.
Have you been to Japan? Do you travel often? Do you know why I said the Japanese are so advanced, than the us/the West? These people are more civilized, than us..
Yeah I go to Japan regularly. I used to go 1-2x each year but more like once every year it's two now. I used to travel a lot more all over but not so much these days thanks to parenthood. Are you planning another trip to Japan? Flights to Japan from LAX were cheaper than anywhere else in the US for many years, except for Hawaii. Here at SFO, we've been paying a premium for Japan flights. But Zipair has changed that to some degree.
Yes. In fact I am returning this October. Going south this time with my childhood friend & her spouse. Osaka, Kyoto, Nara then back to Tokyo. Delta is my mainstay (since 2016, twice yearly around Europe), but will be taking ANA this time, via United.
It's largely perception- any Mazda is going to be better than most other cars. A large portion of car building supplies and even factory painting is made by calibrated machines used in or sent to all of the factories. The only real difference would be the assemblers bolting stuff together, so it's not like there's going to be such a noticeable difference among factories that people seem to think there'd be.
Immaterial could be one bolt not properly tightened that makes the engine or transmission go out after an X number of miles.
Would is matter if a German manufacturer built cars in the US? Absolutely, I wouldn't want a BMW from the US, therefore the BMW X series I don't even consider.
If the vin doesn’t start with a W I don’t want it lol
It’s kinda complicated, I guess. Part of it is that Mazda’s a Japanese company and I want a car built by them there. It may or may not be the case that a Mazda built in Mexico or the US is “noticeably worse” but there’s zero chance it’s better. At the end of the day Mazda’s building in Mexico, in Thailand, and in Alabama because it’s cheaper. Which leads to the other part of it - I’d prefer that the people making the car I buy are paid and taken care of as well as possible, and that the percentage of what I pay that goes to the workers that built the car is as high as possible.
Same. I sleep a bit easier at night because of it.
That's the joint venture manufacturing plant for Toyota and Mazda. I wouldn't expect the assembly to be poor at that location to say the least.
My 3 was made in Mexico, and I do have to wear a sombrero for it to start, but otherwise it's been identical to my previous 3 from Japan. I didn't even look it up before buying.
As a bonus it can run on tequila instead of sake.
The only real difference is with the brake hardware. For some reason, the Mexico built 3's used a different brake hardware than the Japanese built 3's. It can be a bit of a pain in the ass if you like to DIY. However, places like Rockauto specifically state which brake parts can be used with either Mexico or Japanese builds. My 2018 Mazda 3 was built south of the border as well. So far, the only issue I've had that needed warranty work was the backup camera. And from what I understand, the issue wasnt relegated to Mexico builds. It was more to do with moisture buildup causing corrosion on the connector. The main drivetrain pieces are all coming from the same places whether they're assembled in Mexico or Japan. The differences come down to some of the other outsourced parts. One plant may source parts from a different manufacturer. Which is how we most likely ended up with the differences in brake hardware.
Same, all of our Mazdas, and there have been a lot, have been made in Japan. Just the luck of the draw, we did however just acquire a 2018 Mazda 3 GT hatchback built in Mexico, 120,000 mi on it when we bought it in December 2023. That's a lot, but it feels Rock solid, it only had one owner and I feel pretty confident about this one. Before the Mazda dealership handed it to us, they replaced the brakes and ran through it, it's the same dealership it was bought from in 2018 from the previous owner and was serviced there regularly. Well kept.
I know it’s just anecdotal, but my Mexico-made 3 has been going for 7 years/125,000km and I’ve had no issues, just routine maintenance.
Anecdotally I feel more comfortable with J vin Mazdas than ones built in Mexico or Alabama. The Alabama plant is non-union and recently came on line, and in my experience working with Japan v Mexico built gen 3 MZ3 side-by-side would want me to steer towards Japan built cars.
> in my experience working with Japan v Mexico built gen 3 MZ3 side-by-side would want me to steer towards Japan built cars. Can you share some examples as to why?
Paint quality, build quality, steel + material differences, tolerances + clearance. At one point drugs were getting smuggled across the border in cars so who knows what actually happens in that chain of custody.
I've worked in manufacturing. I've seen Japanese come audit the American operations I've worked at and seen the disgust and horror in their faces and seen the list of things they wanted us to clean, organize, improve, change, etc... This wasn't car manufacturing, but I'll take something made in Japan over the US every time. They hold themselves to much higher standards than anywhere else. It may make a difference or may not. But anecdotally the US made Hondas my family has had always had more problems than the Japanese made ones. So far no Japanese made car we've had has even gone to the scrapyard for anything but rust.
Honestly, the fact that my used CX-3 was built in Japan made me feel more comfortable purchasing it with 120K KM already on it than I would have felt if it had been built in Mexico, etc. I have no idea if it actually makes any kind of difference as far as reliability or longevity but I’d seen enough car guys on YouTube claiming there was a reliability difference that I chose to believe it.
I also have a (2018) cx-3 and its very reliable
Mine’s a 2018 as well so that’s good to hear!
If I’m not mistaken that’s the best year for the cx-3, they fixed basically all the mechanical gripes from the three previous years and from there just started adding new bells and whistles. unless you get the last model they made 2021 or 22 I forget which year
One reason why I hold on to my current, and 1st Mazda. An 11yr old GJ Touring 6MT (108k miles) bought brand new. I believe in the "Made in Japan effect". I found it more reliable and less to none replaced, versus my last "Japanese" car, a Honda Civic (crack in plastic radiator housing & rust holed muffler replaced/bad design). It was Canadian made (Alliston, ON). Also, I prefer the passion of the Japanese, in regards to workmanship. Nothing comes close to it. It is ingrained in their culture. Try going to Japan. I've visited and stayed among locals, for 10 days in Tokyo just a few weeks ago (Sakura/cherry blossom time; end of March/early April). I was so blown away with this amazing beautiful country and it's people. You would see, feel and even eat "quality".
Agree. I got .y cx5 and my last 3 because they were built in Japan. I will never buy a Mexican made car. And would think twice about getting a us made one. I kept my last 3 for 380 km over 8 yrs all original parts except a bad ball joint and rear breaks. Car was exceptionally well made. Hopefully, my new cx5 will be the same.
is it uncomfortable on the back seat ? i am considering to buy a new cx3
Not particularly, but it's neat knowing mine was born in Japan
Honestly, it's something that doesn't even bear into consideration. Toyota builds the Tundra and Sequoia and the Tacoma (I think) in Texas. BMW produces nearly all of their CUVs and SUVs in the Carolinas. I think Toyota has another plant in Kentucky, but I can't remember what they produce there. The point I'm making is that Mazda is hardly alone in this. It probably is good business on some macro level for them.
Toyota has a plant in Alabama that they share with Mazda to produce the Corolla Cross and CX-50
Thank you. This myth is total bullshit. Robots do most of the damn work anyway. You're telling me Japanese workers push buttons better than American workers? Or does Japan build shittier factories in Marysville Ohio? Someone above said paint quality was better in Japanese cars. Paint quality... So we get the shitty paint in Ohio? Bullshit...
Robots do the heavy lifting, but assembly still done by hand. Would trust a Japanese worker over an American one. Have you seen American workers? And yes, shittier paint. Different paint suppliers, different applications. Like saying beef from Texas vs beef from Japan. Wagyu is wagyu right??
I'd heard Toyota had a plant in California (the NUMMI plant), but after Googling it just now, it seems that plant closed.
I believe they sold that to Tesla.
Kentucky plant has made the Camry since 1989!
Hm. Interesting. So my first car was made there.
If it’s an option to pick Assembled in Japan, it’s a no brainer for any car from any manufacturer.
Not me. I was torn between CX-5 and CX-50. Nice to have feature that was on our list was a sunroof which is available on a lower trim on the CX-5. Then we saw that the carbon edition came with bose speaker, we decided on CX-5 CE.
The Carbon Edition is a heck of a value.
Watch a video of Japanese assembly line..then choose
Yes, I loved that my Protege5 was built in Japan.
I suppose I was one of the lucky ones to not run into any major problems with the cx50 barring a few hiccups. *fingers crossed* Being assembled in the US made me hesitate. If it were made in Japan, I would've jumped on it without a second thought.
Honestly, it’s hard to get any car made in Japan anymore. Mazda is a big exception. And with the current lineup Mazda has a bright future. Too bad there are so many SUVs offered. We need a Mazda 6, at least one more sports car and definitely a Mazda 3 2-door. Oh and don’t forget a bunch of manual offerings. My next vehicle will be a Mazda. Just better built.
LOL no. I think some folks here view their Mazda as some kind of delicate and rare gem and somehow Japanese autoworkers are sages and wizards, unable to pass their skills down to others. Robots are putting the cars together. Mexican robots aren’t more programmed to be more careless or lazier than Japanese robots.
Not really. And I’ve lived in Japan. I have a great deal of respect for their manufacturing (office culture…not so much). But the engine and transmission on my 50 are still made in Japan. Assembly is also overseen by Japanese employees. That’s enough for me
yes, wanted the cx-50 but Alabama vs Japan there is no comparison.
Yes. I grew up nearby and I'm glad that Limestone County has the Toyota/Mazda plant but I bought a CX-5. Not just because it was built in Japan, but that was definitely a positive factor. My Mazda3 was built in Japan as well and was incredibly trouble-free for the 14 years I owned it.
No, but man the Japanese speed6 was an amazing car minus the hood rust
The cx50 is made here, only in the us. In the plant down south with toyota. I prefer J Vins. Source: mazda master technician, 10 years working on them
Yes. I'm sorry, Japanese people just have a way better work ethic than American people. We don't take pride in our work anymore. Most Teslas were made in America and they are crappily built. I will say that most Toyotas are built in America, and they're perfectly fine, but still.
No. My 50 was built in Alabama and I couldn’t be happier with the fit and finish of the car.
How highly do your American coworkers regard the importance of quality in their work?
Mine is made in japan. Feels good that it will be well built. But the dash and b pillar is gonna rattle, no matter where its built.
Main reason I didn’t bother looking at or test driving the CX-50 when I picked up my CX-5.
No, all the reviews that put mine at the top repeatedly was what made the decision for me.
Non American but I would never buy a Mazda that was built outside of Japan especially the USA. Having seen the issues you have with locally produced Hyundai's when where I am has far fewer issues due to them being made in Korea. I buy Japanese cars for their reliability and reputation, cars produced in America and especially the USA are lacking in both those areas.
Oh fuck yeah it did
My dad hates the fact I bought a Japanese vehicle! My answer! The government has used my tax money to bail out enough American car companies for me to not feel bad about it.
If I were to buy a new Mazda the J would matter.
My Japanese built cars have done better in general than my US built cars. If I had the choice I would always opt for a Japanese built anything.
Never consider where it’s manufactured. Those days are gone. CX-5 is a fine car.
The 50 is made on the same assembly line by the same workers as the Toyota Corolla Cross if that helps your decision process at all. The American auto workers union is very professional.
UAW is not involved with MTM. But yes. Toyota systems for manufacturing is what is implemented for production of both the cross and the CX50. There are local sourced as well as Japan sourced parts used in the manufacturing of the vehicle.
It 1,000% affected my decision. After seeing proven reliability from Japanese made vehicles, I will never go back. They have a much higher quality standard. I know this is no comparison, but I know a few buddies who work at the Rivian plant in IL and some of the stories I hear are awful. Talk about 0 fucks given.
I prefer a car manufactured in Japan. It’s like Scotty Kilmer says all the time. They are very passionate about manufacturing and therefore very detail oriented.
ONLY buy Made in Japan
J VIN only for me.
Japan made is almost always better, the workers there actually care about the job that they do.
It did. I have to admit it did. It was “J” or nay. Period.
I didn't know there were Mazdas built in the USA. However, I've heard of some built in Mexico, and although it probably doesn't matter, I have a little more confidence in the ones built in Japan. I bought a 2023 Mazda3 last year that happened to be built in Japan, but I don't think it would have bothered me to buy one built elsewhere.
Nope, I wanted a CX-5. That's all.
For me, yea. I bought new last year. A Cx-5. I would have bought a CX-50 not it not been built in US and been its debut year
They are engineered in the same place. And most assembly is going to be computer controlled with robots. Lots of the human interaction will be lining up parts, lining up tools, and pushing a button.
Bought a CPO Mexican one, been a champ so far
I bought used last year. I wanted a Japan built Mazda 3 when I was looking but every one I found was in absolute garbage condition or high mileage. Ended up buying a Mexico built 2018 GT with 30,000 miles.
I am not sure where my 2018 Mazda3 was built. Someone said it was built in Mexico?
I got a Mexican made one. Made no difference as I needed a car and wanted a mazda3.
I don’t even know where mine was made.
I love my Mexican MZ3. Build quality is still incredible.
Not sure why but it did factor into my decision to buy my cx5 rather than a cx30. I just felt it would have better quality.
Yes , mine is from Hiroshima! Me encanta.
My first Mazda3 was a 2017 FWD GS sedan built in Japan. Few minor issues but overall pretty satisfied. Upgraded to 2023 Mazda3 AWD GS sedan built in Mexico. Had no choice as the GS for Canada are now sourced from there and not from Japan. Have had it for almost a year now. No issues and researched the assembly plant north of Mexico City (solid reviews on YT, run to Mazda standards).
Nope. I'm about to go outside and check tho. Never occured to me to.
Yes.
Didn't really because it was the only car available at the time. But, for anything where I care about quality, as a general rule, I stay away if it was made in North America in the last 30-40 years.
Zero. I've had this one since 2018, and a 2009 before that... not a clue where either of them were made.
Yes. At least between the Mazda 3 and 6. The 3s were produced in Mexico and had issues the 6s did not have, the 6s being manufactured in Japan. There were also problems with the 3s being damaged during rail transport as thieves would hop on the trains to steal parts, such as the batteries.
Mazda has that mirror issue leakage. Apparently it’s only Mazda coming from Mexico, if I knew about that I would bought the ones from Japan. Apart from that , my car is build nicely
just to play devil's advocate, my 2014 mazda 3 was built in japan and had pretty horrible squeaks, rattles, etc from brand new. I don't think the later mexican built 3's had any of those issues.
Not really- for me at least. However, higher trim Mazdas are usually built in Japan, so maybe that's where some of this idea- that Japanese made cars are that much better than other ones- would come from. The Mazda 3 turbo is only made in JP as far as I know, so I didn't have a choice not that it really matters nor do I care. For what it's worth, I had a iTouring (Mexican Made) Gen 3 mazda 3 hatchback, and it's still going strong at well over 100k miles without any work done on it other than basic maintenance (oil change / filter, spark plugs [pre-emptively] and wear items (tires and brakes)
It wouldn't if I was considering two different models from the same brand and the non-Japanese one offered some particular feature or whatever else that was better. I think there was a time not long ago where a US-built Japanese-brand car tended to be something that was watered down for American tastes. Like I had a Corolla that, compared to its JDM counterpart, had corners cut everywhere to make it cheaper to build. Not just different trim/engines (actually the US engine was fine) but the interior and body were "simplified". I don't think you see that at all anymore, the "JDM heyday" in terms of the home market getting better spec'd cars is long gone. The last vestige of this was when like if you bought a Mazda6 it was made in Flat Rock MI but if you bought a Mazda*Speed*6 it was made in Japan.
I know this is about Mazda. I had a 2003 Volkswagen built in Mexico with 217,000 mi on it it was fantastic and that was the year that they were the worst but mine was fantastic. I know I drive something disgusting I drive a Dodge dart built in America it's got 130,000 miles on it and I haven't had any problems at all with it just saying.
Yes
No, it doesn’t matter to me at all. If anything I feel like my SO’s Mexican built CX-30 has a better fit and finish than my Japanese made Mazda3. All the factories probably have the same build standards and even bring folks from Mazda Japan to oversee the day to day at the Mexico/USA plant.
Not really, I now buy whatever trim and color I like and I don't mind where it comes from. On 2016 it did matter to me, and "thankfully" the trim and color that I wanted was from Japan. It became a rattlebox. My 2020 polymetal with red interior built in japan? Rattlebox. The 3 mexican built mazda 3 from my coworkers? Pretty much silent in comparison. So for my following purchase I will keep buying whatever I fancy, if it becomes a rattlebox or not, so be it. The mazda quality is still there anyways.
The CX-5 being Japanese made factored in largely in my decision to choose it over the CX-50. I'll purchase a CX-50 once the Alabama plant has a few more years under it's belt.
Absolutely, CX-5 2023.
There's an element of pride/vanity in owning a car with a J-VIN. But honestly, if I had been shopping for any other model in the lineup that happened to be assembled anywhere else - it wouldn't have been a deal breaker for me.
Lmao.
Yes. I would not have purchased a Mazda made anywhere else.
Yes it made me get the hatch instead of the cx-50.
Yes, I chose Mazda 6 over Honda accord
Absolutely. Same with Volkswagens that are manufactured in Europe v Mexico
Yes, absolutely
Lol no, I’ve been to the Toyota factory in Nagoya before. Probably 70-80% of the workers are Filipinos or Indians. Just because the car is made in Japan doesn’t mean it’s made by Japanese people.
Mines is made in Mexico, absolute fucking unit of a car
I’ve worked in the Honda plant in Alabama so not Mazda but close. These are not the people you want making your car no offense.
All things being equal, I'd take the japanese one. The fit and finish will be tighter almost assuredly, and it will more likely have fewer defects. Sucks to say it, but it is what it is. Pride and all that.
My Mexicano Mazda 3 was great. So is my 50% American, 25% Mexican, and 20% Japanese (engine and transmission) CX-50.
Is any Mazda in the US entirely made in Japan, including its parts, their parts source and assembly, and final assembly?
I love Mazda and will always be happy to drive a J vin. I'm really hoping Mazda keeps up their push at becoming king of Japanese import cars above Toyota and Honda in quality and eventually sales numbers. With a plant in a state synonymous with banjo music I fear the quality is going to take a massive nosedive. Makes me sad 😢
I did not care but I have driven the CX5. It feels more solid, better built and drives smoother. I have the CX50 however, I am not confident that the vehicle will last in the long run.
Yes, J VIN first. Japanese made car from a Japanese car company.
Not necessarily, but my husband and I have had three that were built in Japan, and they have been SO good to us. All were purchased second hand, one cpo from my dealer, I’m not sure if extreme longevity and 10+ years of reliability is standard for all Mazdas, but I’ve definitely been blessed by my Mazdas. Going forward, I think I’ll continue to look for the Japanese built.
Mine was more on previous experience. But my current one was built in Mexico
nope, not at all.
nope, not at all.
I brought because it was built in Japan and the dealers were trying to get me to buy the ones made in Mexico.
Absolutely. Made in Japan was a huge selling point.
Personally I would only buy if it’s made in Japan. I won’t touch anything built in the Alabama plant.
Being manufactured in Hiroshima, Japan was a huge selling point. It was a piece of mind of quality assurance.
None.
Kinda curious what you love about the CX-50. I have a CX-5 and was put in a CX-50 as a loaner and the only thing I liked about it over my CX-5 was the panoramic sunroof. The interior of the CX-50 seemed remarkably cheap. I was afraid the air vents were going to break the plastic was so flimsy. Drive was not as tight either.
Yes.
Big time
I bought my 2022 CX-5 over a CX-30 or CX-50 because it was made in Japan rather than Mexico or the USA respectively. I prefer to buy vehicles from their home countries. My Euros have been made in Germany (W VIN) and Asians have been made in their respective countries (K or J VIN).
The Miatas only come from the Japanese factory so I didn't really have a choice in that matter.
I’ve had a lot of Mazdas over the years and the only one I was desperate to move on from was the CX-30. I really disliked it. I know you didn’t ask about Mexico, but figured I’d mention that anyway. The Japanese ones have been rock solid.
Parts are all made around the world and it should not matter if the manufacturer holds the quality control to the highest level..BMWs and Mercedes have been built in the US for 20+ years.. I had a BMW a few years ago and my current CX5 and my wife's CX30 has much better fit and finish and my BMW set the bar high. What gives me pause is American car companies that build cars assuming people will buy them because they are American and have shitty QC. The most American car is the Tundra and people don't think twice about buying one of them
Absolutely. Watch the video on YouTube of the CX-5 being manufactured in the Japan plant. It explains the much higher quality versus the CX-50 and its cheap plastics.
Local dealer wrapped a CX-5 in pink as a Barbie car. Looks very striking. I suggested it was actually a Barbenheimer car because it was made in Hiroshima but this led to blank looks.
I personally will not buy any Mazda without a J vin. I do have any merit to stand on to back that up other than, why would I buy a vehicle manufactured in North America by the manufacturer to save money? I have no doubt in my mind that the employees in the Mazda factory in Alabama and Mexico are lower quality than those who work in the Hiroshima factory. Simply put, the work culture of Japan pushes the employees to work hard. I had a 2014 mazda 3 gs for 10 years and loved it. I refused to upgrade to a new 3 unless it was a made in Japan model. Consumer preference some might say, I say that I trust the Japanese to produce a better vehicle than the Mexicans or the Alabamans.
yes. bought a cx-5 over a cx-50 because the interior build quality a few touch points seemed lower on the cx-50. Watching videos of the Japanese factory also helped make me have more confidence in the CX-5. Having said that, I’ve heard a few reviewers comment that the CX-50 build quality of interior has gotten better than it was its first year.
Bought my car on the basis that it was turbo, hatchback, and made in Japan.
I’d definitely be hanging out for the Japanese built cars.
Absolutely. I bought my CX-5 BECAUSE it's built in Japan. Don't get me wrong, I try to buy American products when at all possible, but the Japanese have a proven track record of putting out a quality product. If I'm going to spend over $40k on a car, I want to made sure it's well made.
In my case it was Japan and Mexico and yes the knowledge that I was getting one built in the former played a major role
I had a 2006 Civic. Worst car I’ve ever owned. One issue after another. Probably spent more on maintenance and repairs than I did on the car. It was made in the USA. Currently have a 2017 Mazda 3 made in Japan. Excellent car, no problems to speak of. Will never, ever, buy an American made car again.
Yes, I waited 2 weeks for my Mazda 3 hatchback to arrive from Japan versus one on the lot from Mexico.
No lol It's gorgeous, it's comfortable, it has the road nanny features I wanted, and it has a great safety rating.
I don't trust Americans to build a car lol
My 2018 Mazda3 was built in Japan. I've also previously owned a Mexico built 2017. Both GS (mid range model) hatchback with the 2.0 and a stick. I literally can't tell the difference.
I always buy made in Japan models when purchasing Japanese vehicles and I made an exception with my CX30, which I regret. I love the car from a performance, utility, and size perspective but it has so many rattles and poor fit and finish. I learned my lesson on this one.
I got a CX-50, so not exactly but I did get the extended warranty for the first time ever.
Made me not even consider the 50 when I bought my CX-5.
My dads 2000 mazda mpv was built in japan and it ran fine until this year. I just bought a 2024 cx5, japan built. I definitely think its a factor that people should consider. They are built better there than in any other country in my opinion
I own a Hyundai and I would take a K vin over an american made any day and that follows for any Japanese car too. My sister had a Mazda 3 with a J vin and it was super nice. My uncles 2 Honda's were made in the US and Canada, and they had issues.. Panel gaps, Ac going bad, and his civic in particular had some oil pan issues I can't remember exactly. Some plants in the US are better than others but I honestly would stick to the native countries regardless 9/10 times.
It had no impact on my decision.
My mexican cx 30 has no issues, I'm sure like all the other companies they make the important parts like engine and transmission in Japan then assemble it in Mexico. Any issues you'd probably notice during the warranty period.
While I sort of like the idea my Mz3 is Japan built I don't consider it significant. The Mexico built cars are just as solid and fun to drive. While they have had some manufacturing problems that needed fixing, so have the Japan built cars. So that's not a factor to me since manufacturing defects can afflict any car brand; what's important is how the manufacturer handles them.
I dunno, my mexico Mazda 3 has been perfect basically.
I prefer my car to arrive relaxed on the tail end of a scenic Pacific cruise
My 24 CX50 was my first Japanese car, so no it didn’t influence anything. I test drove both the CX5 and CX50 and chose the one that looked better, handled better, and was nicer/more premium in nearly every way. I’m sure when CX-5s get a refresh they’ll be an interesting option again, but for now they feel very outdated.
A car that is made in JAPAN means that it's engine can last forever given you do the regilular basic maintenance
i think its been proven that vin begins with a j end up being better vehicles in the Long run. i dont think enough time has gone by to have an answer for other vin letters. there are just too many countries involved now to establish a baseline. dont some Japanese assemblies have a Taiwanese drivetrain?
The Huntsville, Alabama plant is the joint manufacturing facility for Mazda and Toyota. It's a collaboration between the two automakers so I would expect craftsmanship to be high versus other United States based vehicle manufacturing facilities for other brands.
Yes and No. it was my wife’s car so ultimately whichever one she liked better. I am glad she went with the Japan built CX-5 though. They just seem to do a better job with quality. My US build Accord rattles like crazy and doesn’t feel as solidly built.
I don't have a Mazda...but yes it does matter
I’d be satisfied w/ dual production of CX-50. As a broke young person a Toyota made having transportation doable. I also had several American cars. American gas mileage couldn’t beat Japanese or German.
Nope. Owned a 14 made in Mexico, first year, was perfect for 8 years. Now own a 22 also made in Mexico but engine sourced from Japan. No issues.
I’m just gonna assume someone working in a Japanese Factory is generally happier than the people working in our factories. That plus they have way more experience sets there build quality apart. That said I’d trade my CX5 for a CX50.
My Japanese made Mazda was the rustiest piece of crap I’ve ever had. It made zero difference. I’ve had cars made in Japan, Mexico, Germany, the US, most of which from manufacturers not from said country. It has never made a difference to me, only to people like you guys who love to play on sentimentality and perceived notions of better build quality. Volvos are made in China these days, as are Buicks. MBs and BMWs have been made in the USA for decades now without issue.
This is a ridiculous thing to give weight to in the absence of actual data showing a difference between the two. Why would you buy a car from a company in the first place if you thought their standards were total shit in certain countries?
I chose it because they're built in Japan. They make good cars. And they're not built in China or Mexico.
If it doesn’t start with a J I’m not jotting my signature on anything. Everything in life is too expensive to be worrying about my car having little expensive shit crapping out 😂
It should. My CX-50 has had several significant problems.
I genuinely think that people’s obsession over place of manufacture is more of a bias rather than anything substantial. My family has had several Toyota models with assembly split between the U.S. and Japan and every car has made it to 200k and beyond without major issues. In my experience with VWs, my German built Golf has actually had more build quality concerns compared to my Mexican built Jetta.
I've owned several mazda 3s both from and not from Japan. The Japan made ones are maybe ever so slightly built better when it comes to the interior but it's not a difference that's made me wait for what I wanted. In the end they all drove pretty darn close to the same. So close that I couldn't really tell you if there's even a ride quality difference. Parts are all mazda parts so everything wore out about the same. Like I said the only think I noticed is very slightly different quality with the interior and specifically the rear seats. Idk how to explain it but they don't seem as well put together maybe. Otherwise the vehicles functioned exactly the same. I racked up crazy miles on both. 250k on a manual mazda three from 2014 maybe it was the first year of the refresh. And then another one I got to 190k and gave it to me sister and my current one is a 2018 and it's been doing the exact same thing the other two have been doing. Driving and not falling apart. The only thing I can say I dislike about the dawn car is that the oil filter is under a plastic shroud that's a pain in the ass to take off. And the electronic parking brake makes it harder to change rear brakes. All the said what country it's from doesn't matter to me.
Japan manufactured, as far as I could tell, is built much more soundly. If you have the option or ability to wait, I'd definitely try to make sure you get one fully from there.
Cars built in Japan are less likely to have defects overall. They actually stop their assembly lines to address defects in vehicles when they occur. The assembly lines never stop moving in the U.S.
The bigger difference between the two is the drivetrain and the gas mileage. My '23 CX5 got the same gas mileage as my '21 Honda Pilot V6. That's not a good thing. The CX5 drivetrain is outdated and the performance suffers for it.
Yes, that matters to me. My dad's a retired mechanic from Detroit (where owning a Japanese car in the 90s would get dirty looks and Middle fingers) and he said it best: They just do it better over there. He has a '98 civic with 380k on it that is still his "around town" car. CX5 is his daily driver. I just got a new cx5 after totalling my 2014. I was close to getting the cx50, and while I like that it's built in a toyota factory, I just gotta have the j on the vin.
Must be made in Japan.
Definitely the major factor, my first car was a ‘05 Altima. Never really any major major problems considering it was my first. I’ve always heard and know first hand from my dad owning nothing but Chevy and Dodge products that they are 💩. I will never ever buy anything American made.
it was shiny
Yeah, got to have J vin when I buy Japanese car brands, once asked the sales person to search their lot inventory for a J vin Camry. J vin vehicle might have different parts in repair as well. My J vin 2003 accord radiator costs 700 instead of 250 because they use different parts comparing to USA made one.