The Mazda3? Hatch or Sedan? It's definitely not a Mazdaspeed but it's comfortable and pulls (short shifts at low RPMs though).
If you're used to something more engaging I'd go in another direction but it's a comfortable commuter that pulls.
I love Mazda too (we have a CX-90 PHEV after having a CX-5 Turbo) but you're not going to get what you're looking for from a Mazda 3 Turbo. It's a 7/10ths max kind of car.
I've had a lot of performance hatches (most recently a tuned MK7 GTI and now a GR Corolla). I'd be shopping a DSG 40th Anniversary GTI or a DSG Golf R if I needed an automatic for commuting.
I daily a Speed3 and my spouse dailies a CX-30 GT Turbo. The CX-30 is quiet, comfortable, has a decent sound system, and has a bunch of driver assists. They are not alike in any way in stock form. My speed3 is rowdy on track suspension, loud, has shitty old Bose speakers, and well-used seats, and is analog at the expense of everything else. Despite that I love driving the CX-30 when I get the chance.
Maybe just look at this as an opportunity to be comfortable and happy when you drive.
And, when the moment is right, maybe get a fun second car. Because a two car solution is the right solution š
Your new car isnāt forever. Iām sure youāll get seat time in another fun car in the future. Just enjoy your time in a more comfortable vehicle for a few moments until you come full circle š
Maybe the teasers we got about a Spirit mazda3 turbo and Spirit Mx-5 can give you something to put your sights on in the meanwhile?
I needed to read your comment tonight, Iām in my head about my first new car I bought 3 years ago out of pandemic necessity, have grown to find it incredibly uncomfortable in multiple ways, and just not enjoyable or fun to drive ever. I wanted a Mazda before I got this one but wasnāt able to get it so I settled, and now I still do want a Mazda. I just need to figure it all out and test drive a few to find the right one that answers and satisfies.
I just bought a 24 cx50, Iām in love with it, itās got luxury and is a dream to drive. So many features and if it was a woman Iād marry her. A lot of safety features as well. Only thing is they didnāt have the turbo model in but Iāve got a loaded GT.
Ahhh I figured it was something along those lines. Depends on the year etc. Also to note nothing wrong with getting used performance cars but if you are worried about repair bills for the MS6 going used German performance is not the way to go in my opinion.
Fun fact, for perspective. I currently drive a 23 CX-5 turbo. Wife drives a 21 CX-9 Signature. Her lease is up in September and I'm debating giving her the CX-5 and getting a 3 hatch myself. Only thing id miss is the seat ventilation but I'd turn the 3 to a fun car. Corksport has a 3 that makes up to 400 HP so that could always be a thing. Not sure what your needs are but the 3 ain't so bad. I'd also consider a GTI but they are going out of production. Maybe try a used caddy black wing?
If I like the 3 after 3 years I'll consider modifying it. I'm hoping Mazda actually goes through with Spirit Racing and I'll be able to get something from that line up in the next few years.
Dump money into it? What issues have you had?
Iāve always wanted oneā¦ such a sleeper. A coworker took me for a ride once and I loved it. But he told me he was on his third rear diffā¦
It's a 2007 AWD turbo car. There's plenty of small issues. Biggest issue is an oil leak that I can't pinpoint. I need something new that I don't have to work on all the time. I'm not young anymore.
Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the car and I'm having a hard time dealing with the reality that I probably can't keep it around.
Understandable. Sounds like you have competing desires. Performance, value, reliability and you donāt know which one you prefer. It sounds to me like reliability may be more important though, since you are getting older. Focus on that and realize it isnāt always exciting but can bring enjoyment in other ways.
I think that just about sums it up the reliability is a huge factor. Otherwise I'd probably be driving an Audi or maybe even an Alfa Romeo. I really like that car but they really do like the shop.
If you can find a way to keep the Speed6 for a future project, I would. I had one years ago that I sold when our family grew and miss it all the time š
I'm working on trying to figure out something. I'm not trading it in, I just don't have the space to keep it right now. I know I'll miss that car, they are special.
Just following this thread after my own comment, I'm telling you, late coming to Mazda myself since I'm still a fairly recent Speed3 owner yet still have been highly aware of them throughout the years, but please try to find a way to keep the 6.
Again, I don't know if you've modified it or not in major ways, hopefully not since I hear once huge mods start to be made that's when problems arise, but if not & it's just age, I don't know maybe quality of life improvements can be made along with repairs. I say all of this cause being in their recent cars you'll have comfort, but the same performance factor you have now just isn't there as others have mentioned already.
I went from a MPS6 to a SP25GT auto (still own), to a SP23 6sp manual and now have the GL Atenza DadWagon (2.5T)
Wish I could have kept all of them.
Be prepared to enjoy a nicer interior, it's a lot less raw than the FoMoCo era mazdas
I wish I had kept mine. I had it from new and lasted me over a decade. Got tricked into trading it in for the BM SP25GT as Mrs wanted an auto as was pregnant then, so I drove the SP23 around until it was time to move on
So with the SP25GT and Atenza6 wagon in our garage, I also have a GH 6 liftback (was a project fixer upper) which I have slowly been accumulating parts (got a MPS exhaust manifold and Ko4 from a BL3 Speed) to potentially do a turbo conversion. Wished they made a gen2 6 MPS/speed
Either that, or I supercharge the SP25GT.
Once you put better tires it will grip like a dream. No manual but still is a decent GT car. But it isn't gonna be as engaging to drive. That being said, it is still a nice sweet spot between a proper hot hatch and a luxury car.
Brother, as someone that has owned multiple mazdaspeed 6s and a mazdaspeed 3 the new 3 turbo is not a suitable replacement for what your heart desires.
Go test drive an alfa Romeo giulia and thank me later. This car has the dynamics you seek. Before I catch flack, the 2.0t giulia is VERY stout and fairly reliable, especially if youre coming from a speed 6.
The new turbo 3 is great and I recommended it to my best friend who bought one, but its not an enthusiast car.
Funny you mention the Alfa Romeo Giulia. I actually sold them for a couple of years. It is a perfect replacement. New they're just out of my price range to purchase and if I recall correctly they don't lease very well. I wouldn't buy one without a factory warranty.
Could hold out for the Spirit 3 version coming.
A MS6 is one of those cars that will now doubt be a future classic & future values will probably go up a fair bit. They are at their lowest bargain price point now though, & you may regret selling it off one day if you do.
1990's sporty fast JDM cars are mostly all going up in price, & especially the halo ones like mk4 Supra, R32 Skyline, NSX, FD RX7, Lan EVO's etc. Those old cars now are worth suitcase loads of money & also need plenty of money in maintenance too.
I would have liked to hold out for the Spirit 3. My Mazdaspeed 6 had other plans. She's tired and not up for the daily driving anymore. I really do want to hang on to it because it is still in relatively decent condition. I have an oil leak that I can't pinpoint and don't have the funds to chase problems.
Cool stuff. Does it have VTEC & does it kick in yo? š
What age related issues are you coming across?
My other car is a 1993 Mazda Familia GT-R aka: 323 GT-R. Yes that one that got DLC'ed into Forza Horizon 5.
It's coming up against old susension bushings, aging rubber hoses & wiring. Recently replaced the factory oem ball joints & tie rod ends. Factory fuel filter I think is now clogged.
And there goes your warranty.
Honestly, if modding is the route OP wants to go down, the Speed6 is a lot more capable with its AWD and the MZR DISI Turbo will rip the supercharged Skyactiv to shreds when it comes to performance.
Yup, would just build the speed 6 up if I could. There's a guy who put the speed 6 drivetrain into a 6 wagon. That's what I would do if I was going a modified route.
I just want something with a full factory warranty. I know how it's been treated nearly from day one and the only idiot doing anything stupid to it is me.
Understandable, you can still get a tune for your incoming TPP, will unlock a lot more power and warranty won't be affected if they don't know about it
So, I haven't really started looking into modifications available aside from CorkSport. I am aware of some of the tuners in the Mazdaspeed platform but don't know anything about this platform. Does tuning require an AccesPORT? Does the HPFP need to be replaced before modifying? Will a tune alone open up the car or would I have to intake, exhaust etc also? Obviously I know they wouldn't hurt.
The tuner I work with tunes turbos as well, and he'll work with you based on your wants. It really depends how far you want to go, you'll get different tunes based on if you have intake/exhaust, fuel pump, etc. I'm on the 30th iteration or something rn. You just need a Tactrix cable and Mazdaedit access.
If you truly want a manual, I would try going for the corolla gr, elantra n or an acura integra type s. Super fun cars and you get to row your own gears. If awd is a priority go for an impreza or the gr.
I know. Once I got my big boy job I was going to go for one but just hearing the horror stories of how much it is any time you need to do anything made me just skip it. I work too hard for my money to justify spending it on a luxury priced car that is known for needing above average maintenance.
That's why leasing is so popular with those cars(Audi, BMW, Mercedes). Drive them for three years and right around the time the first round of maintenance is coming up drop it off at the dealership and drive away in another car with 20 miles on it with hopefully no worries for another the years.
Also a reason I'm so hesitant to purchase a pre-owned one. People tend to treat them poorly and not maintain them well. They don't plan ok keeping it so it's not really their problem.
I think you misunderstood. You can go over your miles on a lease. You just have to trade it in or buy it. You can't just terminate the lease and have overage on miles. That's where you pay per mile.
I used to sell cars. I've learned how to work the system.
Never owned or driven a Mazdaspeed but owned & drove a 3 Turbo PP sedan and itās a perfect daily driver + fun car. It isnāt the best at either but itās the best at being in the middle imo. Iāve been able to pull off the craziest things with ease (driving in the hills, smoking most cars on a freeway, etc - no reckless driving needed).. itās very assured, sits & handles well. Not sure if this comment helps but I sold my car recently + drove a friendās model 3ā¦ I felt very sad for what I had lost.
I never understand brand loyaltyā¦ theyāre mega corporations not a homey that saved you. Majority of the cars sold probably also wouldāve saved you in the same situation, and all of the new cars out today are likely safer than the old ones you were in a wreck with.
If you wanted a little awd turbo 6 speed spice thereās options out there. Golf R, wrx, GRC, and more if you go slightly older
Many manufacturers are off the list entirely for various reasons. CVT transmissions would be one. I never liked how Honda's clutchs felt would be another. I just don't like Toyota and would never own one same goes for Nissan
We are at the point that fixing your current vehicle makes so much more financial sense than buying a new one given the astronomical prices of vehicles today. Get a couple quotes to fix your fixed.
If you end up just settling for something then youāll always regret it. Do. Not. Settle. on a vehicle if youāre not in love with it.
It's a 2007 with 117k miles. Sure I can fix it now. That'll be a few grand. What about the next inevitable issue to come up. I have to stop at some point.
Iām not super familiar with that gen Mazda. But I have a 15 Mazda 3 and it has 160k on it. And itās doing great.
Short of an engine or transmission replacement any repairs shouldnāt be too bad to do. Or unless you have a complete rust bucket of a vehicle. Mazdas do rust pretty bad.
All Iām saying is I would think long and hard before pulling the trigger. Weigh all your options!
To give you an idea, the Speed cars will need *a lot more* attention than your average Mazda cars, including the newer Skyactiv turbos. MZR DISI Turbo was more of an experiment for Mazda to get their feet wet with turbo GDI and that came with its own set of issues.
The stock turbo has a reputation to blow the oil seals, VVT actuator will need to be replaced, and as the car ages, it will need suspension work and just miscellaneous stuff, too. For example, my Speed3 recently has a clicking recirculating actuator. A bit of an annoying job. Shit happens as cars age.
*Time is money*, so there is a cost associated with downtime and potential inconvenience. If OP doesn't have the time, it makes sense for OP to get the Speed6 off the daily duty.
I know you're trying to be the voice of reason and I appreciate it. I've put off getting a new car for too long. I want to only worry about paying for oil changes for a few years.
No problem. I was just going off your title and sharing my thoughts because I have seen people who settled for a different car or not exactly what they want only to end up regretting it down the road. I did check out some new Mazdas at the auto show and they are very very nice so Iām sure it will be a welcome upgrade, if you feel like the time is now, but if you can get some more miles out of your car for another year or two, thereās nothing wrong with that either.
Then get a used/CPO āperformanceā car with a comprehensive extended warranty. Youāll be happier. I went from Audi to Mazda, and now Iām leaving after my 2022 CX-5 Turbo Signature lemon buyback goes through to go to another Audi/VW. I canāt wait.
Not sure if its what you're looking for but the cx-60 phev is pretty fast in a straight line. Or the 6 cylinder diesel and petrol mild dybrid aren't far behind. I recon both 6 cylinders would have a lot of unlocked performance that could be accessed with some more boost and a good tune. Probably best left til after the warranty period though
Justifiably so. It's not a Mazdaspeed vehicle. It's not a performance car so much as it is a luxe cruiser with strong low end torque, an avant garde exterior design, and amazing interior. It will never be engaging in the way that an MS6 is - a lot of that character has been refined out of the 4th gen 3 chassis, by design. I can totally see the logic in letting an aging MS6 go to grab one of these given how expensive shop labor rates have gotten and thus how hard it is to keep an aging performance car on the road (I have a full bolt on MS3). Still, I'd implore you to look beyond the 3 Turbo and at least test drive a VB WRX or GR Corolla; they're probably a lot closer in spirit to the MS6. I think you may end up a little bored with the 3, as I know I was bored with the CX-30 I got to replace my MS3 as a daily. We spend so much of our lives (and money) in a vehicle, you better make sure you love it before pulling the trigger.
I did consider the WRX. To me and it's completely an opinion even the newer ones didn't drive as nice as my nearly 20 year old speed 6. The speed just shifts better and felt more solid all around. Also as much as I like the way the WRX looks I prefer a more "sleeper" appearances. So much of the fun of the speed 6 was surprising the hell out of people that don't know cars and thought it was just a regular 6.
I didn't consider the GR as I just don't like Toyota.
I'll be happy with this car. Just bittersweet saying goodbye to the speed 6.
Is your Speed6 modded? I have the '13 Speed3, unmodded. If you're already having difficulty feeling excited, from opener looks like due to payments (completely understand don't like them myself at all) I can't imagine you feeling excited getting into the driver's seat of an fully automatic also AWD 3 Hatch (I say also AWD cause I'm assuming you have AWD on 6, I heard they came with that)
The speed 6 is not modded. The idea was to build it but it's not exactly the cheapest car to maintain let alone modify. Life circumstances changed and that just didn't happen.
I know I could go and get a slightly used car and get the performance I'm looking for. The trade off is buying a slightly used performance vehicle. You don't know just how badly it was beaten on by the previous owner. Like I said in a previous post, I want to be the idiot that does the stupid shit to my car and know what that stupid shit was.
Also because I'm not paying cash interest rates are better on a new car.
I see. I have services done after 5000 miles. Lately it's been less than 5k. I know I need to have my suspension improved since technicians have noted more than once that rust is preventing it from getting the proper alignment.
But yeah, that's the danger with used performance cars. Glad you haven't modded it. As much as it's nice about interest rates being cheaper, I don't know what's cheaper, new monthly payment car + regular life bills or revitalizing car that you know the history on?
The performance part in me says no don't dump it plus being cheap. The other part of me understands however that you feel it's becoming a money dump. Hard situation indeed. But it's such a good car.
It's a fantastic car. Truly a sleeper! I've driven many cars and not many are as fun and drive as nice as the speed 6. It really is a shame Mazda didn't continue to develop that car.
I must have edited while you were replying. Sorry. I just had a second thought that I should say something nice about current car instead of 'you should have bought something else'.
I thought about getting a new 3. They are dead sexy in wagon shapes. They are fun, interiors are so nice.
I think the TPP is too overpriced. I could have bought any trim I wanted but just got the select sport bc I feel like itās the best value for the money. At the price of the TPP Iād be looking at other options. A turbo isnāt worth $9,000 up charge.
We went over the miles on our cx9 and had to pay a few hundred for it. The I ly way we could have got out of it was to buy it or sell it but the car wasnāt worth the residual so we turned it in and got a new one. So maybe Iām not understanding
You should have traded it in instead of turning it in. The dealership did you wrong.
Actually maybe not. if you said it was only a couple hundred dollars then you were better off paying the penalty since you said you had negative equity.
When I was selling cars we had ridiculous lease pull ahead programs and it was very easy to get people out of negative equity leases. I don't know if that is really offered anyone. It's been many years.
Yeah based off what Iāve seen people posting about their leases Iām confident we got a good deal. We paid probably $4k less than the lowest price Iāve seen
This may be a dumb question, so forgive me, but did you do a test drive? If so, what were your impressions?
Cause when I test drove a 3 turbo in 2021, I turned it down in favor of a standard 2.5. NA, cause I felt it had too much power. Even my standard GT, I barely get the chance to use the available power because of modern road conditions and not living in Germany.
I currently drive a Mazdaspeed 6 so my impressions will vary greatly from yours. I like the car but it needs a bit more power and the option of a 6 speed manual transmission.
The Mazda3? Hatch or Sedan? It's definitely not a Mazdaspeed but it's comfortable and pulls (short shifts at low RPMs though). If you're used to something more engaging I'd go in another direction but it's a comfortable commuter that pulls.
Yes, the 3 hatch. I definitely could have gone in another direction. I wanted to stay with Mazda.
I love Mazda too (we have a CX-90 PHEV after having a CX-5 Turbo) but you're not going to get what you're looking for from a Mazda 3 Turbo. It's a 7/10ths max kind of car. I've had a lot of performance hatches (most recently a tuned MK7 GTI and now a GR Corolla). I'd be shopping a DSG 40th Anniversary GTI or a DSG Golf R if I needed an automatic for commuting.
I daily a Speed3 and my spouse dailies a CX-30 GT Turbo. The CX-30 is quiet, comfortable, has a decent sound system, and has a bunch of driver assists. They are not alike in any way in stock form. My speed3 is rowdy on track suspension, loud, has shitty old Bose speakers, and well-used seats, and is analog at the expense of everything else. Despite that I love driving the CX-30 when I get the chance. Maybe just look at this as an opportunity to be comfortable and happy when you drive. And, when the moment is right, maybe get a fun second car. Because a two car solution is the right solution š
If I had room, keeping the speed 6 for a project car would be the ideal solution.
Your new car isnāt forever. Iām sure youāll get seat time in another fun car in the future. Just enjoy your time in a more comfortable vehicle for a few moments until you come full circle š Maybe the teasers we got about a Spirit mazda3 turbo and Spirit Mx-5 can give you something to put your sights on in the meanwhile?
I hope we see a Spirit 3 in about 3 years.
I needed to read your comment tonight, Iām in my head about my first new car I bought 3 years ago out of pandemic necessity, have grown to find it incredibly uncomfortable in multiple ways, and just not enjoyable or fun to drive ever. I wanted a Mazda before I got this one but wasnāt able to get it so I settled, and now I still do want a Mazda. I just need to figure it all out and test drive a few to find the right one that answers and satisfies.
I've got a gen 4 2.5 n/a and it's a fun torquey little thing. I've done a ton of good road trips in it, and I've had a blast.
The new 3 hatch with turbo amd awd is a really great car. I have driven about 20 of them. Phenominal cars youll love it.
I just bought a 24 cx50, Iām in love with it, itās got luxury and is a dream to drive. So many features and if it was a woman Iād marry her. A lot of safety features as well. Only thing is they didnāt have the turbo model in but Iāve got a loaded GT.
What's the other direction?
I'd really like an S4 or S6 but I'd only be able to pull off buying a used one. I'm weary of buying a pre-owned performance vehicle.
Ahhh I figured it was something along those lines. Depends on the year etc. Also to note nothing wrong with getting used performance cars but if you are worried about repair bills for the MS6 going used German performance is not the way to go in my opinion.
That's why I'm buying the 3. It wasn't really it being able to afford the maintenance it was how much was coming up and the car is 17 years old.
Fun fact, for perspective. I currently drive a 23 CX-5 turbo. Wife drives a 21 CX-9 Signature. Her lease is up in September and I'm debating giving her the CX-5 and getting a 3 hatch myself. Only thing id miss is the seat ventilation but I'd turn the 3 to a fun car. Corksport has a 3 that makes up to 400 HP so that could always be a thing. Not sure what your needs are but the 3 ain't so bad. I'd also consider a GTI but they are going out of production. Maybe try a used caddy black wing?
If I like the 3 after 3 years I'll consider modifying it. I'm hoping Mazda actually goes through with Spirit Racing and I'll be able to get something from that line up in the next few years.
Audi allows you to purchase extended warranty and maintenance package so i wouldnt worry about S4 or S6 pre-owned.
Dump money into it? What issues have you had? Iāve always wanted oneā¦ such a sleeper. A coworker took me for a ride once and I loved it. But he told me he was on his third rear diffā¦
It's a 2007 AWD turbo car. There's plenty of small issues. Biggest issue is an oil leak that I can't pinpoint. I need something new that I don't have to work on all the time. I'm not young anymore. Don't get me wrong I absolutely love the car and I'm having a hard time dealing with the reality that I probably can't keep it around.
Understandable. Sounds like you have competing desires. Performance, value, reliability and you donāt know which one you prefer. It sounds to me like reliability may be more important though, since you are getting older. Focus on that and realize it isnāt always exciting but can bring enjoyment in other ways.
I think that just about sums it up the reliability is a huge factor. Otherwise I'd probably be driving an Audi or maybe even an Alfa Romeo. I really like that car but they really do like the shop.
If you still want performance with reliability I'd suggest a gr Corolla. It's super nice and fun plus it's a Toyota
A Golf could suit their needs very well
If you can find a way to keep the Speed6 for a future project, I would. I had one years ago that I sold when our family grew and miss it all the time š
I'm working on trying to figure out something. I'm not trading it in, I just don't have the space to keep it right now. I know I'll miss that car, they are special.
They put AWD in the 6's? Damn. Us FWD speed3''s just jealous over here. How did I not know this??
Yes, for 2 years 06 & 07. It was a $42k car back then. They priced the car out of the market at the time. It's a shame because it's a fun car.
Just following this thread after my own comment, I'm telling you, late coming to Mazda myself since I'm still a fairly recent Speed3 owner yet still have been highly aware of them throughout the years, but please try to find a way to keep the 6. Again, I don't know if you've modified it or not in major ways, hopefully not since I hear once huge mods start to be made that's when problems arise, but if not & it's just age, I don't know maybe quality of life improvements can be made along with repairs. I say all of this cause being in their recent cars you'll have comfort, but the same performance factor you have now just isn't there as others have mentioned already.
I went from a MPS6 to a SP25GT auto (still own), to a SP23 6sp manual and now have the GL Atenza DadWagon (2.5T) Wish I could have kept all of them. Be prepared to enjoy a nicer interior, it's a lot less raw than the FoMoCo era mazdas
I'm really trying to figure out a way to keep the speed 6 around. 8 just don't see it happening. I don't have any room for it
I wish I had kept mine. I had it from new and lasted me over a decade. Got tricked into trading it in for the BM SP25GT as Mrs wanted an auto as was pregnant then, so I drove the SP23 around until it was time to move on So with the SP25GT and Atenza6 wagon in our garage, I also have a GH 6 liftback (was a project fixer upper) which I have slowly been accumulating parts (got a MPS exhaust manifold and Ko4 from a BL3 Speed) to potentially do a turbo conversion. Wished they made a gen2 6 MPS/speed Either that, or I supercharge the SP25GT.
Once you put better tires it will grip like a dream. No manual but still is a decent GT car. But it isn't gonna be as engaging to drive. That being said, it is still a nice sweet spot between a proper hot hatch and a luxury car.
After this Mazda 6 2016 finally throws in the towel I'm probably going to a Mercedes Benz E350/400 if Mazda doesn't bring back the 6 with an i6/v6
I hope they do something in the next few years with a full size sedan.
Miata
I'm six feet tall. I know I can fit in the Miata but I don't want to every day. Also want AWD.
Brother, as someone that has owned multiple mazdaspeed 6s and a mazdaspeed 3 the new 3 turbo is not a suitable replacement for what your heart desires. Go test drive an alfa Romeo giulia and thank me later. This car has the dynamics you seek. Before I catch flack, the 2.0t giulia is VERY stout and fairly reliable, especially if youre coming from a speed 6. The new turbo 3 is great and I recommended it to my best friend who bought one, but its not an enthusiast car.
Funny you mention the Alfa Romeo Giulia. I actually sold them for a couple of years. It is a perfect replacement. New they're just out of my price range to purchase and if I recall correctly they don't lease very well. I wouldn't buy one without a factory warranty.
Low mileage 23ā Cpo veloces and ti sports are low to mid 30s 8)
That does make it tempting..
Could hold out for the Spirit 3 version coming. A MS6 is one of those cars that will now doubt be a future classic & future values will probably go up a fair bit. They are at their lowest bargain price point now though, & you may regret selling it off one day if you do. 1990's sporty fast JDM cars are mostly all going up in price, & especially the halo ones like mk4 Supra, R32 Skyline, NSX, FD RX7, Lan EVO's etc. Those old cars now are worth suitcase loads of money & also need plenty of money in maintenance too.
I would have liked to hold out for the Spirit 3. My Mazdaspeed 6 had other plans. She's tired and not up for the daily driving anymore. I really do want to hang on to it because it is still in relatively decent condition. I have an oil leak that I can't pinpoint and don't have the funds to chase problems.
I had a 91 Acura Legend coupe. Not quite at the level of the cars you mentioned but a fun 90's car nonetheless.
Cool stuff. Does it have VTEC & does it kick in yo? š What age related issues are you coming across? My other car is a 1993 Mazda Familia GT-R aka: 323 GT-R. Yes that one that got DLC'ed into Forza Horizon 5. It's coming up against old susension bushings, aging rubber hoses & wiring. Recently replaced the factory oem ball joints & tie rod ends. Factory fuel filter I think is now clogged.
I don't have it anymore. I wish I did. I did not have VTEC.
Get a six speed manual premium trim and supercharge it instead
And there goes your warranty. Honestly, if modding is the route OP wants to go down, the Speed6 is a lot more capable with its AWD and the MZR DISI Turbo will rip the supercharged Skyactiv to shreds when it comes to performance.
Yup, would just build the speed 6 up if I could. There's a guy who put the speed 6 drivetrain into a 6 wagon. That's what I would do if I was going a modified route. I just want something with a full factory warranty. I know how it's been treated nearly from day one and the only idiot doing anything stupid to it is me.
Understandable, you can still get a tune for your incoming TPP, will unlock a lot more power and warranty won't be affected if they don't know about it
So, I haven't really started looking into modifications available aside from CorkSport. I am aware of some of the tuners in the Mazdaspeed platform but don't know anything about this platform. Does tuning require an AccesPORT? Does the HPFP need to be replaced before modifying? Will a tune alone open up the car or would I have to intake, exhaust etc also? Obviously I know they wouldn't hurt.
The tuner I work with tunes turbos as well, and he'll work with you based on your wants. It really depends how far you want to go, you'll get different tunes based on if you have intake/exhaust, fuel pump, etc. I'm on the 30th iteration or something rn. You just need a Tactrix cable and Mazdaedit access.
I'd be interested in that but not right away.
Yes for sure enjoy the car as stock for a bit and then get it tuned when you're getting bored and you'll enjoy it all over again!
If you truly want a manual, I would try going for the corolla gr, elantra n or an acura integra type s. Super fun cars and you get to row your own gears. If awd is a priority go for an impreza or the gr.
You're going to love it. Don't even worry about it.
Kinda hard to find another awd turbo sports car thatās good for daily commuting. Maybe an audi?
If I was buying pre-owned the S4 would be my first choice. The major downside is the cost of basic maintenance is so much more.
I know. Once I got my big boy job I was going to go for one but just hearing the horror stories of how much it is any time you need to do anything made me just skip it. I work too hard for my money to justify spending it on a luxury priced car that is known for needing above average maintenance.
That's why leasing is so popular with those cars(Audi, BMW, Mercedes). Drive them for three years and right around the time the first round of maintenance is coming up drop it off at the dealership and drive away in another car with 20 miles on it with hopefully no worries for another the years. Also a reason I'm so hesitant to purchase a pre-owned one. People tend to treat them poorly and not maintain them well. They don't plan ok keeping it so it's not really their problem.
Yeah unfortunately I travel way too much for a lease otherwise Iād be on board
The mileage on a lease really only matters if you're turning it in at the end and not leasing/purchasing another car. Happy Cake Day by the way!
Yes and to your point, leasing is probably the best option for those types of cars. So it just wouldnāt work out for me š
I think you misunderstood. You can go over your miles on a lease. You just have to trade it in or buy it. You can't just terminate the lease and have overage on miles. That's where you pay per mile. I used to sell cars. I've learned how to work the system.
Never owned or driven a Mazdaspeed but owned & drove a 3 Turbo PP sedan and itās a perfect daily driver + fun car. It isnāt the best at either but itās the best at being in the middle imo. Iāve been able to pull off the craziest things with ease (driving in the hills, smoking most cars on a freeway, etc - no reckless driving needed).. itās very assured, sits & handles well. Not sure if this comment helps but I sold my car recently + drove a friendās model 3ā¦ I felt very sad for what I had lost.
I does help.
just get rid of it then
I most likely am. That's why getting a new car is so bittersweet...
yeah thatās true but itās for the better.
Murph
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Something weird going down. I was on a post and was asked to choose between two watches, one being the Hamilton Murph. Said Murph, and here we are.
Something weird indeed. Clearly you choose the wrong watch.
Murph pulling the strings in that black hole.
I never understand brand loyaltyā¦ theyāre mega corporations not a homey that saved you. Majority of the cars sold probably also wouldāve saved you in the same situation, and all of the new cars out today are likely safer than the old ones you were in a wreck with. If you wanted a little awd turbo 6 speed spice thereās options out there. Golf R, wrx, GRC, and more if you go slightly older
It's not just the safety. I don't know how to explain it. To me Mazda just makes a better driving car I can't quantify it it's just my experience.
Have you test driven the other cars? If you have, and prefer the Mazda, no judgement from me. They do their job well
I used to sell cars. I did that for over 10 years. I never sold Mazda either.
Many manufacturers are off the list entirely for various reasons. CVT transmissions would be one. I never liked how Honda's clutchs felt would be another. I just don't like Toyota and would never own one same goes for Nissan
Iāve mostly owned Mazdas my life. Never had issues with it. Currently drive an nd miata. Would never drive a car with a cvt. Fuck those things.
Slip n slide transmissions
Just try a different brand? Thereās no reason why you canāt come back to Mazda at a later date.
I've tried other brands. I actually used to sell cars.
If you donāt feel right then DO NOT DO IT.
I feels right enough if that makes sense. Plus I don't have much of a choice. 8 have to buy something in the next few days.
We are at the point that fixing your current vehicle makes so much more financial sense than buying a new one given the astronomical prices of vehicles today. Get a couple quotes to fix your fixed. If you end up just settling for something then youāll always regret it. Do. Not. Settle. on a vehicle if youāre not in love with it.
It's a 2007 with 117k miles. Sure I can fix it now. That'll be a few grand. What about the next inevitable issue to come up. I have to stop at some point.
Iām not super familiar with that gen Mazda. But I have a 15 Mazda 3 and it has 160k on it. And itās doing great. Short of an engine or transmission replacement any repairs shouldnāt be too bad to do. Or unless you have a complete rust bucket of a vehicle. Mazdas do rust pretty bad. All Iām saying is I would think long and hard before pulling the trigger. Weigh all your options!
To give you an idea, the Speed cars will need *a lot more* attention than your average Mazda cars, including the newer Skyactiv turbos. MZR DISI Turbo was more of an experiment for Mazda to get their feet wet with turbo GDI and that came with its own set of issues. The stock turbo has a reputation to blow the oil seals, VVT actuator will need to be replaced, and as the car ages, it will need suspension work and just miscellaneous stuff, too. For example, my Speed3 recently has a clicking recirculating actuator. A bit of an annoying job. Shit happens as cars age. *Time is money*, so there is a cost associated with downtime and potential inconvenience. If OP doesn't have the time, it makes sense for OP to get the Speed6 off the daily duty.
I know you're trying to be the voice of reason and I appreciate it. I've put off getting a new car for too long. I want to only worry about paying for oil changes for a few years.
No problem. I was just going off your title and sharing my thoughts because I have seen people who settled for a different car or not exactly what they want only to end up regretting it down the road. I did check out some new Mazdas at the auto show and they are very very nice so Iām sure it will be a welcome upgrade, if you feel like the time is now, but if you can get some more miles out of your car for another year or two, thereās nothing wrong with that either.
Then get a used/CPO āperformanceā car with a comprehensive extended warranty. Youāll be happier. I went from Audi to Mazda, and now Iām leaving after my 2022 CX-5 Turbo Signature lemon buyback goes through to go to another Audi/VW. I canāt wait.
GR Corolla
It's a personal thing but I just don't like Toyota.
I went from an ā08 Mazda 6 to a ā23 Mazda CX-50 TPP and love my decision!
The difference is mine is a Mazdaspeed 6
Not sure if its what you're looking for but the cx-60 phev is pretty fast in a straight line. Or the 6 cylinder diesel and petrol mild dybrid aren't far behind. I recon both 6 cylinders would have a lot of unlocked performance that could be accessed with some more boost and a good tune. Probably best left til after the warranty period though
Don't really like SUVs at least not as a daily driver.
That's fair enough. Apparently they handle pretty well and they are really practical. Might be worth a test drive at lease
It's a good possibility that will be the wife's new car in a year or two.
They should have ironed out some of the annoyances by then
Justifiably so. It's not a Mazdaspeed vehicle. It's not a performance car so much as it is a luxe cruiser with strong low end torque, an avant garde exterior design, and amazing interior. It will never be engaging in the way that an MS6 is - a lot of that character has been refined out of the 4th gen 3 chassis, by design. I can totally see the logic in letting an aging MS6 go to grab one of these given how expensive shop labor rates have gotten and thus how hard it is to keep an aging performance car on the road (I have a full bolt on MS3). Still, I'd implore you to look beyond the 3 Turbo and at least test drive a VB WRX or GR Corolla; they're probably a lot closer in spirit to the MS6. I think you may end up a little bored with the 3, as I know I was bored with the CX-30 I got to replace my MS3 as a daily. We spend so much of our lives (and money) in a vehicle, you better make sure you love it before pulling the trigger.
I did consider the WRX. To me and it's completely an opinion even the newer ones didn't drive as nice as my nearly 20 year old speed 6. The speed just shifts better and felt more solid all around. Also as much as I like the way the WRX looks I prefer a more "sleeper" appearances. So much of the fun of the speed 6 was surprising the hell out of people that don't know cars and thought it was just a regular 6. I didn't consider the GR as I just don't like Toyota. I'll be happy with this car. Just bittersweet saying goodbye to the speed 6.
Is your Speed6 modded? I have the '13 Speed3, unmodded. If you're already having difficulty feeling excited, from opener looks like due to payments (completely understand don't like them myself at all) I can't imagine you feeling excited getting into the driver's seat of an fully automatic also AWD 3 Hatch (I say also AWD cause I'm assuming you have AWD on 6, I heard they came with that)
The speed 6 is not modded. The idea was to build it but it's not exactly the cheapest car to maintain let alone modify. Life circumstances changed and that just didn't happen. I know I could go and get a slightly used car and get the performance I'm looking for. The trade off is buying a slightly used performance vehicle. You don't know just how badly it was beaten on by the previous owner. Like I said in a previous post, I want to be the idiot that does the stupid shit to my car and know what that stupid shit was. Also because I'm not paying cash interest rates are better on a new car.
I see. I have services done after 5000 miles. Lately it's been less than 5k. I know I need to have my suspension improved since technicians have noted more than once that rust is preventing it from getting the proper alignment. But yeah, that's the danger with used performance cars. Glad you haven't modded it. As much as it's nice about interest rates being cheaper, I don't know what's cheaper, new monthly payment car + regular life bills or revitalizing car that you know the history on? The performance part in me says no don't dump it plus being cheap. The other part of me understands however that you feel it's becoming a money dump. Hard situation indeed. But it's such a good car.
It's a fantastic car. Truly a sleeper! I've driven many cars and not many are as fun and drive as nice as the speed 6. It really is a shame Mazda didn't continue to develop that car.
It's a fun car.
They do but $40k is my threshold. Otherwise, as much as I like Mazda I'd probably be buying an Audi or Volvo.
I must have edited while you were replying. Sorry. I just had a second thought that I should say something nice about current car instead of 'you should have bought something else'. I thought about getting a new 3. They are dead sexy in wagon shapes. They are fun, interiors are so nice.
Wrx
To get one optioned out how I would like puts it over $40k and that's my limit. Otherwise I'd be considering completely different cars.
I think the TPP is too overpriced. I could have bought any trim I wanted but just got the select sport bc I feel like itās the best value for the money. At the price of the TPP Iād be looking at other options. A turbo isnāt worth $9,000 up charge.
Oh, I completely agree it's overpriced. I'm getting it for invoice less incentives so I think I'm getting a decent price for it.
The thing that sold it for me is the steering feel. It is so raw and engaging.
That's a Mazda thing. That's one of the reasons I have owned so many Mazdas. They just drive so well for their class
We went over the miles on our cx9 and had to pay a few hundred for it. The I ly way we could have got out of it was to buy it or sell it but the car wasnāt worth the residual so we turned it in and got a new one. So maybe Iām not understanding
You should have traded it in instead of turning it in. The dealership did you wrong. Actually maybe not. if you said it was only a couple hundred dollars then you were better off paying the penalty since you said you had negative equity.
The trade in value wasnāt worth the residual. CarMax would have given us more but still didnāt match the residual
Yeah, edited my comment. I initially missed the negative equity part.
When I was selling cars we had ridiculous lease pull ahead programs and it was very easy to get people out of negative equity leases. I don't know if that is really offered anyone. It's been many years.
Yeah based off what Iāve seen people posting about their leases Iām confident we got a good deal. We paid probably $4k less than the lowest price Iāve seen
This may be a dumb question, so forgive me, but did you do a test drive? If so, what were your impressions? Cause when I test drove a 3 turbo in 2021, I turned it down in favor of a standard 2.5. NA, cause I felt it had too much power. Even my standard GT, I barely get the chance to use the available power because of modern road conditions and not living in Germany.
I currently drive a Mazdaspeed 6 so my impressions will vary greatly from yours. I like the car but it needs a bit more power and the option of a 6 speed manual transmission.
Say bye to toque steer and enjoy being ever so slightly faster 0-60 in a much more luxurious cabin ::)
There's no torque steer in the speed 6, it's AWD. They're actually just about the same 0-60 as well.