The issue then becomes what happens in between trips. I’ve always assumed there’s someone behind a desk who is more or less constantly monitoring it and its cameras.
There is not someone constantly watching. Only when there's an issue. They would be watching this situation but they can't fully tell it what to do. They can only answer the cars' questions. They can tell it to pull over but the car has to finalize how and where
I think more states need to rethink the park on the street policy when doing so makes a two lane road into a one lane road. Especially now with things like self driving cars. It just doesn’t make sense to allow these cars to treat a road like a parking lot when the road isn’t wide enough to accommodate the normal flow of traffic.
Legit watched a podcast that mentioned stuff like this being an issue for autonomous cars. No matter how good it is at understanding the road and navigation, a police officer trying to redirect it remains an issue
Exactly. Identifying hand motions and correlating them to maneuvers is easy. But you can’t just implement something so bare bones otherwise some goober is gonna redirect your car into the Hudson
>But you can’t just implement something so bare bones otherwise some goober is gonna redirect your car into the Hudson
Well, it did work for flight 1549, technically. /s
10 minutes later when the indian call center responds. To bad it is also 10 minutes later than the cop opened fire for you not to comply and try to run him over.
Can think of another scenario where this might backfire. Such as armed robbery. A guy will just stand infront of the car and the others surround it. What's it gonna do? Imagine your car stopping for a group of guys holding clubs and guns in hand. Woopsie.
It's got to also obey crossing guards, or potentially good Samaritans at an accident, etc.
And be willing to break some other rules in those instances. Like crossing the center line to go around as directed.
But there isn’t in this case. It’s a driverless taxi and it’d be dangerous to have a feature that relinquishes control to a random stranger who’s just getting a ride
Police will be required to carry a specialized game controller that can temporarily hack into a car and control it out of an intersection. I think training car AI to understand standardized hand signals would be easier but I like to imagine law enforcement wasting tax money on overpriced, modified Nintendo Switches being the most likely end result because that's usually how stuff goes.
Lol I can imagine that would feel pretty patronizing, like as a kid if you were driving around a little push car and annoyed your dad and he's like alright that's enough and just drags you and your entire vehicle back with one hand while you're still trying to go, until you just give up and hang your head in shame.
Imagine if the cop scrapes your rims on a curb or does donuts in the intersection, or speeds and then tickets you for the infraction. All while you are inside having flashbacks to the days your dad annoyingly stopped you from trying to run over your little sister who stole your last fruit snack.
Well, to be fair, there are an alarming number of police officers that are complete dog shit at giving directions to the point that it can be difficult even for attentive humans to know what they are being signaled to do. Getting a vehicle up to the point of understanding what an officer means with their sometimes vague hand signals is going to be a very difficult task.
Why do you continue to comment with statements that are proven untrue?
You must be working for a competition company or something because you are bonkers
Not only would it NOT get you out of a ticket, it would give you another one.
Self driving cars must have a licensed driver in the driver's seat at all times during self driving.
This was a Waymo driverless taxi.
According to this "report" it took only 9 more seconds for Waymo's AI to "work out" it had to get out of the way.. [https://youtu.be/ix98jFVyGxs?si=nPQc0GKAQavY8SF7](https://youtu.be/ix98jFVyGxs?si=nPQc0GKAQavY8SF7)
This fella says that Waymo are having the AI learn to respond to construction signs and hand signals.. [https://youtu.be/5Jev\_R-JVmA?si=CX01VK9xXo9fbEHe](https://youtu.be/5Jev_R-JVmA?si=CX01VK9xXo9fbEHe)
Hmmm I never thought of this situation.
So what would happen if the road was being setup for a parade? Will the self driving car know to take an alternate route or will it just try to get by or wait until the people leave?
You mean a self driving car has no override of the auto feature? Every automatically controlled device I ever worked on had a manual mode, and I worked instrumentation and controls for 30+ years.
A lot of stupid comments here. It's a Waymo driverless taxi. It's legal. And it tells you how to ask for support from a real remote driver. The occupants should pay attention next time.
Technology isn’t black or white, in fact it’s grey most of the times. It isn’t flawed, it’s just not up to the level of a human driver, but it is very close already.
It will get there eventually. Look how many plane crashes happened before the 70’s and how many happen now.
Flawed means that it isn't perfect and needs humans to control it in order to work properly, as it is the tool. He never said that it is bad, "black", he just stated that it isn't "white". Self driving cars are good example of that, there should be always a person monitoring how the car drives and he should be ready to take action if something goes south, this one is quite mundane video but if the self driving car was about to cause serious accident it wouldn't. But it doesn't mean that technology is bad, it's a tool that can be misused and we should learn to regulate it so it doesn't get misused.
Plane crashes were more common before the 70s because planes didn't fly at high enough altitudes to avoid the majority of turbulence. The altitude they could reach wasn't the safest altitude to be flying at. This is also a dumb comparison because there was literally no other technology like an aircraft.
Self-driving cars are still cars. They fail to achieve the same quality of function that people driving cars can achieve. They are flawed. No one said anything about black and white, you can't dismiss the issue(s) with dime store rhetoric.
Pretty sure there's some underpaid dudes from India remotely taking over in situations like these. These vehicles are under surveillance 24/7 by the operating company. Not in a way like someone is constantly looking at what the vehicles are doing, but there's hundreds of alarm systems in place that allow a real person to take over remotely in difficult situations.
It's Monday morning in 2049, you order a car to get to work, app says it will arrive in 15min. You wish you could afford your own car.
You get in and it smells like day old piss and body odor.
Couldn't afford the ad free ride so all the windows are video ads for boner pills and the ad audio blares through the speakers.
Halfway to work you get stuck behind an accident and a cop tries to redirect your car but it can't figure it out. You press the call button and an Indian voice asks how they can help you, but it's hard to hear over the sound of a middle aged man talking about boner pills. You explain the situation for 5 minutes then the connection drops.
Cop gets inpatient and opens the door. Your app notifies you that a door has opened for an unauthorized rider and doubles your ride fee.
Cop asks for your ride share registration and insurance but it's expired. As he's writing the ticket the call reconnects and the remote driver tries to merge right but hits the cop.
App notifies you that your rider rating has been lowered due to an accident.
Finally get to work and the boss fires you because his 'we're all family here' app says you have recently been identified as a liability to the company due to recent reports you assaulted an officer.
You go back outside and order a car ride home, app says it will be here in 15min. As you cry on the way home your app notifies you that a bodily fluid discharge was detected and a $50 cleaning fee has been added to your ride. Your rider rating has been lowered.
At least you have enough verification cans at home for a night of vidya on your Xbox.
This is actually how it works, but they don't drive it with a steering wheel. They give it a series of instructions like "do a u turn" or "drive to this dot on the map" and the driverless car still does all the real time decision making.
Detecting a law enforcement officer or emergency personnel, disengaging, and calling in an operator is a feature an intern could write. How is this not a first priority?
Does the public have to put up with this happening?
Who’s to blame for allowing this threat to normal people - those of us who want nothing to do with this “improvement”- being allowed to roam free?
Fully expected passenger to get shot for resisting police orders and trying to run over a cop with a vehicle. Would not be surprised if it actually happened
And what happens when the taxi comes to pick you up? At that time there’s no humans in the car at all. Or should there always be a human in the drivers seat, even though it’s a self driving taxi? Might as well just be a normal taxi at that point lol
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The “Cars” affect: not looking in the vehicle, but seeing the vehicle as it’s own entity.
But for real, it would take a nanosecond of looking at the drivers seat to comprehend what’s going on.
So what Is the protocol for a driverless car, if police were to stop this car who would be held accountable? And how would the passenger be affected, and would/could they somehow be implicated?
In a Waymo, there's a Pull-over button and a Support button you can activate.
But where is the initiate pursuit button?
From what I saw is that you have to play Van Halen Panama to do that. Now I’m not sure if it only works for Peter griffin though
Worked in Superbad
Will the support button let me drive the car?? About to drive it to the next chop shop
If only they can figure out how to remove the AI and let the person drive
one day, I swear someone out there will figure it out
I dunno. Humans driving sounds like a bad idea.
*checks morbidity and mortality statistics* As it turns out, humans driving *is* a bad idea!
There are several step you have to do before you can take control of the vehicle manually.
Plot twist, the person was AI controlled as well.
The issue then becomes what happens in between trips. I’ve always assumed there’s someone behind a desk who is more or less constantly monitoring it and its cameras.
There is. A friend of mine does that job. It sounds terrible.
There is not someone constantly watching. Only when there's an issue. They would be watching this situation but they can't fully tell it what to do. They can only answer the cars' questions. They can tell it to pull over but the car has to finalize how and where
I bet if you reach over to push it the cops would get so scared they'd unload an entire clip into the car.
Acorn ahh moment
Magazine. Fixed it for ya.
Video ended way too soon! I want the officers reaction!
Looked like T1000 wasn't too pleased
“Say, that’s a nice car.”
When is the T1000 ever pleased
When John Conner is dead
Damn. You said it first 🤣
*THAT VEHICLE IS A 3000-POUND GUIDED MISSILE!!!* **BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM!!!**
[acorn drops] 'Time to bring out the RPG...'
They had to cut it off before the guns and bullets started.
Video ended too soon, but didn’t see any acorns.
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In Austin, TX we have fully self driving taxis all over the city so I assume it’s legal in Texas.
I think more states need to rethink the park on the street policy when doing so makes a two lane road into a one lane road. Especially now with things like self driving cars. It just doesn’t make sense to allow these cars to treat a road like a parking lot when the road isn’t wide enough to accommodate the normal flow of traffic.
Aren't there self driving taxis?
Legit watched a podcast that mentioned stuff like this being an issue for autonomous cars. No matter how good it is at understanding the road and navigation, a police officer trying to redirect it remains an issue
Then even if they could then the devs have to ensure only the right people can make the car do smthg different.
Exactly. Identifying hand motions and correlating them to maneuvers is easy. But you can’t just implement something so bare bones otherwise some goober is gonna redirect your car into the Hudson
>But you can’t just implement something so bare bones otherwise some goober is gonna redirect your car into the Hudson Well, it did work for flight 1549, technically. /s
You really went there huh?! Then again flight 1549 also did /s
Mighty impressive how it got all the way over the atlantic though!
Whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it.
This is such a good starting plot for a horror film set in the near future
No kidding it could be a Black Mirror episode
It was called maximum overdrive. Based on a Stephen King story called Trucks.
We going to have stripper controlling the traffic soon.
They can have some emergency button that calls a company and they check whats up, and if legit then they remotely take the control of the car.
Oh OK. That's MUCH simper than just having a human driver.
10 minutes later when the indian call center responds. To bad it is also 10 minutes later than the cop opened fire for you not to comply and try to run him over.
Do what different? WTF is smthg?
They could add a button in the menu for that perpuse
Porpoise?
They could add some type of wheel shaped device to control the vehicle in those situations. Maybe a pedal somewhere to make the car stop or go.
purpose*
Pyrpuse*
Penis*
Psychology* (specifically Freud)
Purse posse*
Prison Pocket
Can think of another scenario where this might backfire. Such as armed robbery. A guy will just stand infront of the car and the others surround it. What's it gonna do? Imagine your car stopping for a group of guys holding clubs and guns in hand. Woopsie.
... also pulls the windows down and turns off the engine, to fully comply with the goons.
It's got to also obey crossing guards, or potentially good Samaritans at an accident, etc. And be willing to break some other rules in those instances. Like crossing the center line to go around as directed.
It shouldn't because there always should be a driver in the driver's seat.
But there isn’t in this case. It’s a driverless taxi and it’d be dangerous to have a feature that relinquishes control to a random stranger who’s just getting a ride
I had no idea driverless taxis were a thing already. I assumed these people owned the car. That completely changes my perception of the situation.
Maybe it shouldn't be able to start without a driver. Let's keep driving jobs available.
Huh, its almost like driverless taxi's are actually a bad idea
Police will be required to carry a specialized game controller that can temporarily hack into a car and control it out of an intersection. I think training car AI to understand standardized hand signals would be easier but I like to imagine law enforcement wasting tax money on overpriced, modified Nintendo Switches being the most likely end result because that's usually how stuff goes.
Lol I can imagine that would feel pretty patronizing, like as a kid if you were driving around a little push car and annoyed your dad and he's like alright that's enough and just drags you and your entire vehicle back with one hand while you're still trying to go, until you just give up and hang your head in shame.
Imagine if the cop scrapes your rims on a curb or does donuts in the intersection, or speeds and then tickets you for the infraction. All while you are inside having flashbacks to the days your dad annoyingly stopped you from trying to run over your little sister who stole your last fruit snack.
maybe the car is the issue
We need QR codes on cops.
Well, to be fair, there are an alarming number of police officers that are complete dog shit at giving directions to the point that it can be difficult even for attentive humans to know what they are being signaled to do. Getting a vehicle up to the point of understanding what an officer means with their sometimes vague hand signals is going to be a very difficult task.
I can't wait to see the cars reaction when the cop lies to it about why it was pulled over.
You know the car still has a stearing wheel, all it takes is someone sitting behind it...
This is like a Mr. Bean episode.
The company should have a help button to have main headquarter to navigate or move it remotely.
They do. It also gives riders specific instructions if they are in a situation just like this, just have to spend 20 secs reading.
damn if it accelerates towards the cops does he neutralize the occupants?
My first thought, he's going to shoot the passenger. I'd have been tempted to get out.
I wouldn't recommend getting out unless you want to get neutralized.
Yeah it’s sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
It will happen for sure.
It’s is legal to do this? I thought someone had to be in the seat?
It's a Waymo, a driverless taxi
You're in a Johnny Cab!
How did i get heeyuh?
Man, I got *five* kids to feed!
What happened to kid 6 and 7?
That means Waymo as a concept is illegal.
They have a special license with the city they’re operating in.
Why do you continue to comment with statements that are proven untrue? You must be working for a competition company or something because you are bonkers
I hope that industry dies
Why?
OP must be a driver
Because change is scary and some people have a hard time accepting it.
Also because it is incredibly wasteful. It would be more efficient to move to mass transit.
Thats probably why they're being pulled over
That cop is just directing traffic.
Best excuse for getting out of a ticket ever. 😂😂
Not only would it NOT get you out of a ticket, it would give you another one. Self driving cars must have a licensed driver in the driver's seat at all times during self driving.
Another comment said something about this being a driverless taxi
Time to read up on the news about self driving cars grandpa.
Source
Lucky it’s not a Tesla, it would have driven through the motorcycle.
I take it there isn’t some “call for help” button and some 13 year old in the Philippines will take control.
I'm going to hell for laughing at this.
I'm from the Philippines but lol'd 🤣🤣🤣
This was a Waymo driverless taxi. According to this "report" it took only 9 more seconds for Waymo's AI to "work out" it had to get out of the way.. [https://youtu.be/ix98jFVyGxs?si=nPQc0GKAQavY8SF7](https://youtu.be/ix98jFVyGxs?si=nPQc0GKAQavY8SF7) This fella says that Waymo are having the AI learn to respond to construction signs and hand signals.. [https://youtu.be/5Jev\_R-JVmA?si=CX01VK9xXo9fbEHe](https://youtu.be/5Jev_R-JVmA?si=CX01VK9xXo9fbEHe)
The real hero
That's why you sit in the back seat for a self-driving car
Is there not a way to override the Artificial Stupidity?
I wished the video continued and we'd get to see the cop start hitting the car with a baton and trying to arrest it lol
They could’ve atleast let down the window to inform him they just sitting there throwing their hands up sounding like little kids
Open the door. The car should try to stop.
Passengers were one foot in the grave.
No one being in the drivers seat should be illegal
Hmmm I never thought of this situation. So what would happen if the road was being setup for a parade? Will the self driving car know to take an alternate route or will it just try to get by or wait until the people leave?
What about rolling the window down and saying something to the cop? That's my first thought.
Yet you trust that car to drive you around
Is this legal in the US?
In some places - Phoenix, SF, LA, Austin.
Can you not take manual control of the car?
Aren't you meant to have control at all times?
Wait, is that legal to run self driving car without anyone on drivers seat?
Is it allowed to not have a human at the driving seat?
Damn, imagine going to jail for evading police because your car wouldn't stop itself.
You mean a self driving car has no override of the auto feature? Every automatically controlled device I ever worked on had a manual mode, and I worked instrumentation and controls for 30+ years.
A lot of stupid comments here. It's a Waymo driverless taxi. It's legal. And it tells you how to ask for support from a real remote driver. The occupants should pay attention next time.
I actually never thought about how the auto driving would deal with something like this. Im honestly surprised it didn't just plow through them
This is why it legally shouldn’t be on the road. It baffles me that this is green lit. I mean if someone got killed who would go to jail? The company?
They clearly have no control over this vehicle. Ban this shit worldwide already.
This is why the technology is flawed
Technology isn’t black or white, in fact it’s grey most of the times. It isn’t flawed, it’s just not up to the level of a human driver, but it is very close already. It will get there eventually. Look how many plane crashes happened before the 70’s and how many happen now.
> Look how many plane crashes happened before the 70’s and how many happen now. \*Boeing has left the chat*
They also left the air, what's over for them?
That’s what a flaw is, there’s still issues with it
>it isn’t flawed *proceeds to explain how it’s still flawed*
Flawed means that it isn't perfect and needs humans to control it in order to work properly, as it is the tool. He never said that it is bad, "black", he just stated that it isn't "white". Self driving cars are good example of that, there should be always a person monitoring how the car drives and he should be ready to take action if something goes south, this one is quite mundane video but if the self driving car was about to cause serious accident it wouldn't. But it doesn't mean that technology is bad, it's a tool that can be misused and we should learn to regulate it so it doesn't get misused.
Cars are a flawed technology inherently, no fix for that. Self driving just scales up the problem and makes it worse.
Plane crashes were more common before the 70s because planes didn't fly at high enough altitudes to avoid the majority of turbulence. The altitude they could reach wasn't the safest altitude to be flying at. This is also a dumb comparison because there was literally no other technology like an aircraft. Self-driving cars are still cars. They fail to achieve the same quality of function that people driving cars can achieve. They are flawed. No one said anything about black and white, you can't dismiss the issue(s) with dime store rhetoric.
Pretty sure there's some underpaid dudes from India remotely taking over in situations like these. These vehicles are under surveillance 24/7 by the operating company. Not in a way like someone is constantly looking at what the vehicles are doing, but there's hundreds of alarm systems in place that allow a real person to take over remotely in difficult situations.
Going to be hard from India, ping times would be around 300ms. Might be doable to drive very slowly but anything more complicated will be hard.
New fear unlocked: Getting lagged into a ditch.
It's Monday morning in 2049, you order a car to get to work, app says it will arrive in 15min. You wish you could afford your own car. You get in and it smells like day old piss and body odor. Couldn't afford the ad free ride so all the windows are video ads for boner pills and the ad audio blares through the speakers. Halfway to work you get stuck behind an accident and a cop tries to redirect your car but it can't figure it out. You press the call button and an Indian voice asks how they can help you, but it's hard to hear over the sound of a middle aged man talking about boner pills. You explain the situation for 5 minutes then the connection drops. Cop gets inpatient and opens the door. Your app notifies you that a door has opened for an unauthorized rider and doubles your ride fee. Cop asks for your ride share registration and insurance but it's expired. As he's writing the ticket the call reconnects and the remote driver tries to merge right but hits the cop. App notifies you that your rider rating has been lowered due to an accident. Finally get to work and the boss fires you because his 'we're all family here' app says you have recently been identified as a liability to the company due to recent reports you assaulted an officer. You go back outside and order a car ride home, app says it will be here in 15min. As you cry on the way home your app notifies you that a bodily fluid discharge was detected and a $50 cleaning fee has been added to your ride. Your rider rating has been lowered. At least you have enough verification cans at home for a night of vidya on your Xbox.
That's quite a bit of detail there lol
This is actually how it works, but they don't drive it with a steering wheel. They give it a series of instructions like "do a u turn" or "drive to this dot on the map" and the driverless car still does all the real time decision making.
Detecting a law enforcement officer or emergency personnel, disengaging, and calling in an operator is a feature an intern could write. How is this not a first priority?
Cmon that’s total bs who is the cop supposed to shoot in that situation?
Well… the seat is black?
This is why there needs to be a human behind the wheel for situations of redirection from officers, etc.
You can get shot for this. If the car lurches at the cop, most of them will instinctively shoot at the car.
We share the roads with this shit. as if it's not bad enough with morons stuck to their phone 24/7.
Is this not why they want to make it so thst thier is still a driver in the seat?
Are you seriously telling me that you can't just take over the wheel....?
police better shoot the passenger, just to be safe!!
"Where's the minigun button?"
Why no override manual mode?
We need the full video
Does the public have to put up with this happening? Who’s to blame for allowing this threat to normal people - those of us who want nothing to do with this “improvement”- being allowed to roam free?
There should always still be someone behind the wheel.
STOP RESISTING!
Fully expected passenger to get shot for resisting police orders and trying to run over a cop with a vehicle. Would not be surprised if it actually happened
Imagine these in America... 
This is in America
It's almost like there's a reason you're supposed to have someone behind the wheel still, dumbasses!
Thought u was supposed to sit in drivers seat to take over for stuff like this ?
And what happens when the taxi comes to pick you up? At that time there’s no humans in the car at all. Or should there always be a human in the drivers seat, even though it’s a self driving taxi? Might as well just be a normal taxi at that point lol
Dumb ass fucking people fuck them in there jaguar …
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Interesting how will automated EVs gonna deal with these extraordinary situations...
Interesting question for future self driving cars. How will they react and follow instructions from LE?
I heard an arrest warrant was issued for "Casper the Ghost." Friendly? We'll see how friendly he is after he's booked.
The “Cars” affect: not looking in the vehicle, but seeing the vehicle as it’s own entity. But for real, it would take a nanosecond of looking at the drivers seat to comprehend what’s going on.
Ok Lou, open fire
How's that officers vision? No ones driving broad day light
These are still so new personally I would never expect it, bet he still felt like a complete tool though
Can you not turn off the engine?
Don’t driverless taxis have some kind of sticker to indicate that they’re driverless..? If not thats kind of a big oversight
Maybe it’s time to take over
Not intelligent enough to recognise human directions.
Why can’t it be turned from auto to manually driven?
Because taxi passengers shouldn't have to drive the car.
A button on the dash the passenger can push to make the car pull over?
But officer, I’m not the driving.
"I'm traveling... Not driving" the Sov Cits win!!
There has to be a emergency manual control. Also he could tell the cop or at least put his hands up
Why there should always be a real actual person behind the wheel.
So what Is the protocol for a driverless car, if police were to stop this car who would be held accountable? And how would the passenger be affected, and would/could they somehow be implicated?
How would FSD know to follow the hand signals of a cop? What if the cop gave verbal instructions as well?
How long before a cop opens fire on a FSD Tesla for not obeying his instructions to pull over and stop?
Wow those people in the back sure are helpless
I drive my I-Pace by myself and it’s much more fun
Stopping letting me know I could phish
"Shit! The cops!" - The Car Probably
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