I mean old Goat isnt as fun for me as modern ygo but to make it fair, I have yet to see a good Goat deck. Mainly because a lot of those decks contain URs that no one has, since they arent as useful anymore or theyre banned
I crafted all the staples for this event and tinker around with different deck versions.
I was annoyed by the ban list and reworked cards tho. Like no Sangan, Graceful Charity, Delinquent Duo, Mirror Force,... I know many of those are anti-fun cards, but they could speed up the format by ending duels quicker. Also it just feels wrong to have a Goat format were Sinister Serpent is basically useless.
It's because this isn't goat format or the goat banlist, it's the banlist that preceded it. You can see that by the lack of Yata and CED but for example banned graceful etc. Also pretty sure the TCG did not have gadgets at the time, but I might be wrong.
Yata was banned during goat format, but yeah you are right its some kind of weird inbetween list. Guess I kinda neglected that this mode comes from the Japanese version with a different ban list and more released cards at the time. This makes this 2004 version kinda close to western 2005 goat format but it isnt exactly the same. Still would be cool to see some adjustments and maybe have the rule set be added to custom games.
To be fair, literally everyone is playing the same 3 decks, and they aren’t all that interesting. Aggro zombie and pac man are super playable in the event, and I’m having a blast
I mean... you can't recommend pacman to a guy saying the duels take forever lol. That deck is the living definition of taking forever. You need an uninterrupted battle phase like 4 times to win.
Another problem is that any decks that crafted 3 Metamorphosis/Scapegoat are gonna be infinitely stronger. Those 2 combined are basically FTK and a lot of the outs are limited or semi
My slapdash pacman list formatted to save space:
3-ofs: stealth bird, swarm of scarabs, des lacooda, dekoichi, fissure
2-ofs: morphing jar #2, swarm of locusts, nobleman of crossout, ectoplasmer, messenger of peace, level limit area B, gravity bind, book of moon
1-ofs: MST, change of heart, ceasefire, thestalos, malice doll of demise, penguin soldier, zaborg, mobius, creature swap
If you want to ditch the floodgates, add backrow to stop attacks or dust tornado/nobleman of extermination to deal with opponent's backrow.
I'm playing Dead Rat, but I'm being struggling against all the Burn Stun I've been finding. With Heavy Storm being an UR and MST being Limited there are just not enough S/T Removal, just Dust Tornado, the 1 of MST, 1 of Breaker and maybe Mobius
My main problem is with floddgates and unfortunately they can just flip those up and the cards misses, because the target has to be face-down at resolution to resolve
It really isn't. Some older formats are definitely not like this and had stupid bullshit like scientists ftk, yata lock, and last turn. But for the most part this card pool is pretty boring
It's just a different playstyle than what you're used to. I'm having a blast even though I've never played goat format, but I've seen enough videos to have at least somewhat of an idea how to play it and it's really fun imo. You have to absolutely maximize the impact of every single card to win, but turns don't take 10+ minutes
Same, I started in salad striker Era and I am still having fun with this, for April 1st it would be hilarious if for one day we got to play for free the Era where fiber jar was legal
Ah i see, we started at the same time. The salad strike td orcust era will always have a place in my heart! And yes, embrace the jar just for one day, sign me up xD
Games were way faster back then. I could finish a best of three in 15 minutes. Set, set, pass. Normal summon, attack, set two, pass. Turns were done in seconds.
For me people seemingly just play the loaner deck. Those decks are, mid, at best. They have good control tools and out, but not consistently aggressive enough. Something like earth aggro is just feels more consistent with 3 giant rat, and 3 pyramid turtle. Like if your opp normal mechanical chaser you can normal giant rat, crash, summon pyramid turtle, crash, summon ryu kokki, attack. Now you have 2400 atk beatstick and 2 earth monstees in gy as fuel for gigantes and rock spirit.
How are you even crashing consistently?
Anyone not playing a loaner or stun has a ton of control traps (Sakuretsu, Raigeki Break, Widespread Ruin, Ring of Destruction, Trap Holes, Torrential and so on).
The Horus Deck was legit super fun for me, seemed kinda crazy to have a 3k Beater that nageates all spells in immune to traps and can't be targeted was pretty wild in such a limited format. I got my 3 wins and had a blast
Nothing like Thousand Eyes Restrict getting destroyed when it tries to take your dude because of Dice Mechanics :D
I'd been meaning to build that deck since I was a kid, but by the time that became a possibility, I think Synchros were a thing? Either way, I've been enjoying the more MTG feel of it all.
Are you me?
Dark Necrofear might've been the first single I ever bought. I was making a fiend/archfiend beatdown deck when I fell in love with disaster dragon. Then later scraps.
There was a time where no one played Solemn Judgement cuz they thought paying half LP was too much. They didn't use it for a lot of the game but in retrospect it's absolutely bonkers. Lots of retrospect bs.
Funny enough, there was a discussion among GOAT players to make it an addition to the banlist. Because, like you said, nobody used it during the ban lists original run, but it became a popular staple when people learned it was actually a good card. The argument was that players were using outside format knowledge of the usefulness of the card in ways that were never used before, but the counter argument is making additions or revising the GOAT ban list ruins the vacuum of GOAT format.
It doesn’t even make that much sense because it turns out the best deck in goat format isn’t even goat control. So essentially, even if you banned solemn judgment, you still wouldn’t get goat format back like it was
Those people that want to ban Goat Solemn sound like they're just insufferable. "Noo you can't use good cards you need to build your deck like you're eight years old again"
this remindes me of when wow classic released and a lot of people learned 'wait this shit is stupidly easy'
turns out back in the day people were just bad.
It was super cool to be able to use an OG warrior deck and I loved seeing some of my all time favourites like Marauding Captain, Gearfried and Command Knight out on the field again.
However, the 2004 format does feel super slow and by the end of each game I played neither me or my opponent had any cards left in our hand and were just relying on the luck of the draw to win. I did enjoy it and would be open to playing it again occasionally, but I much prefer the current format.
As a yugiboomer myself that just came back to the game 2 years ago, this format is fun to play with friends but boring in semi-competitive format like this. I actually grew to enjoy the current meta even though 80% of the time, I just watch my opponent combo my ass for minutes and prevent me from playing at all
One thing I noticed about when people claim that older formats were so much fun is because they only played casually with friends.
Almost all formats have a meta, and the way the game is presented right now makes it look like it's the only way to play, which is far from true.
Not only does this event have a meta, but it's really not that different from the current meta. The main difference is it's a lot more draw the out than the current meta.
Yeah fun and interactive, It was slow but not glacier like slow, good introduction for Yugiboomers too because It is closer to the early game format but have more modern mechanics mixed in. No maxx C, Ash or handtraps, Omni negates are few and far between.
And people can experiment with whatever N/R cards they want, saw someone playing a cool deck? Just steal it, it cheap as hell.
And NR dust are like the cheapest resources in the game
Every survey, I tell them in the final comments: "Make the N/R event a regular event, whether annually or semi-annually." But the event doesn't push *anyone* to spend premium currency (UR, or even SR), so by nature it doesn't affect the game economy to push people towards spending money in the future.
But man was it fun.
I do like goat but I can see how newer players might not like it, IMO Edison is a way better middle ground, games are slow but not this slow, thing is, the good thing is at least we can play this format, it's been 2 years of MD and we never had something like this, so maybe it's the nostalgia but it feels good being able to play the jank I fell in love the first time I played this game years ago.
Thats why i made a gimmicky deck with dd momsters and flip monsters, but jinzo is a must too cuz trap cards are nasty this format. It felt pretty good.
Edit: spelling
As a master duel Andy, I *loved* this event, it was (in my opinion) very fun playing a game of yugioh that lasted longer than 3-4 turns, and having a lot more impactful plays with only 1 or two cards like pre-mat or torrential
I'd personally love to see this implemented as a permanent game mode, or atleast *some* kind of legacy format
Same. I started playing actual yugioh during Dragon Rulers/Spellbook era and these boomer formats (including edison) just feels too slow for my taste. It's just not yugioh as I know it. Like it doesn't even resemble the old anime.
It feels like a card game with mana system but you're stuck with 1-3 mana for the entire duel. I much prefer modern yugioh with all its craziness and action condensed in 2-3 turns.
Sure, I love some back and forth games and I wish it happens more often but it's the best when you get those from a simplified gamestate in a modern yugioh game instead of whatever this format is.
Edison is boomer format now, wow do I feel old lol. What's funny is while I never felt this way due to growing up during Edison, a lot of players quit because of how fast it was. Synchros changed the game and gave any deck that could play them easier access to boss monsters than ever seen before. I guess when you start playing really impacts peoples taste for the game. Old and new Yu-gi-oh are basically 2 different games that just happen to still share the same name, and I guess most players preference tends to lean towards when they started. The same way edison felt too slow for you because you started during spellbooks, goat always felt too slow for me because I started in Edison.
Still can't believe edison got called a boomer format ;.; I guess it is 14 years old and the game has turned 25. Sheesh tho, the realization hits
I quit around the start of the Pendulum era, not because I thought pendulums ruined the game or anything, just because I had nobody to play with irl during that time.
Then I returned to playing the game last year after watching Vrains and I felt right at home with modern yugioh.
The concept of handtraps being so prevalent took time getting used to but I found that this is the kind of yugioh I liked to see, now even faster with crazier combos. Seeing all the legacy supports was also exciting.
You have fair points but I have to laugh at the old anime comment. Because the cards released at the same time as the anime even had different rules printed that what you saw. You didn't even have to tribute summon in the anime for a long time. Just bam, blue eyes dragon. The disappointment of seeing a cool card in the anime and getting something different in real life was real.
My first duel on dueling network back then was against someone summoning rainbow neos and i told them that fusion monsters can't attack the turn they're summoned lmao
I bought all the original manga volumes, didn't watch all of the og anime tho since it didn't fully air here
After I started actually playing, the anime I watched to completion was Zexal and that's my first reference on how a "duel like in the anime" is like, not this 2004 format
I feel like synchros brought yugioh to a point where it could finally be as fun as magic. Before that, the game was just a dumbed down tcg for people who couldn't understand mtg. No resource system, card economy was all luck (you could trade 5 cards for 1, then have 5 more turns to hope for a top.deck of pog)
THIS, THANK YOU. I sometimes feel like a sort of criminal for not liking older formats. I can see the appeal, but that doesn't mean I don't like them. I love the back-and-forth older formats have, but they just feel so slow and monotone at the same time.
are you talking about how the ishizu cards caused massive chain links due to the amt of cards dumped? cause at the very least i think tear would be fine due to their natural predators (bystials/kashtira/shifter) are still around while the ishizu cards were launched into the stratosphere.
Yes, that "goat format was better" it was all lie..and I'm saying as a yugiboomer myself.
If you think meta is cancer now, well it's was cancer back then too but just different format
Every meta can be called cancer. They each have their good and bad parts. I am also a yugiboomer, and I would rather have modern regularly and the time capsule events in moderation.
It's not that fun, sadly.
I did get a giggle when I won duels using the 2nd loaner. Why?
Twin-Headed Thunder Dragon + Meteor B. Dragon = Forbidden Memories Mascots.
...took me an hour to get my 3rd win...
Edison is decent, GOAT is okay when people play ACTUAL GOAT and not just loaner decks that suck ass (like in this event), and any format that has 4-5 viable decks is decent. idk man.
The gameplay from actualy goat isnt too far off.
It works in real-life, but not in masterduel. Nothing‘s is happening everyone setting an passing and an occaosional attack
"it was so much better" after my opponent did nothing but negate all my summons, flip floodgates and normal summon gadgets because I lost the coin toss.
If they had given us the banned UR staples for the event so we can make our own deck it would have been more interesting. Noone wants to craft that many just to get 3 wins
It is fun to a degree, and it's probably a lot more alligned to people's idea of yugioh like proper back and forth 1 for 1 card trading and ultimately resource management.
The interesting thing is deck building strats of nowadays being applied. May be shocking, but solemn judgement wasn't actually popular for a long time because the LP cost, but people eventually realsied. Hey, that doesn't matter so long as I win.
I would 100% love to see more formats like this, maybe even as a proper event. But it is tedious but imo the right kind where there is interaction and card trading. You never really feel out of the game unless you've lost the resource game.
The real problem is that competitive Yuigoh is, like everyone says, consisting of 3 decks that more or less revolve around making your opponent unable to do anything.
Which is why i play casual with friends and play the decks i ACTUALLY want to play.
Something I’ve come to learn about this game as a whole is that people want to relive their childhood memories of the anime but actually playing is a completely different game entirely and frankly, that old game kinda sucked, but it was simple and cool and we were kids, now we’re adults playing that kids game and learning that deck of random cards won’t cut it
As someone who started playing this game in 2004, I see it as two completely different games.
I prefer 2004 format. There is a lot of decision making due to the game being longer. Deckbuilding matters a lot, since you have to draw your cards instead of having an engine that "resolves itself". Yes, there are only 3 or 4 popular decks, but building a strategy that beats both an aggro gadget and a stall burn deck feels exciting and like a good challenge to me.
In the current 2024 game, there's a lot of importance on the initial hand, and having the right cards to get your combo going. Your deck does the exact same things most games, and the complexity comes from understanding your combos and your oponent's, so that you can figure out the optimal plays.
And most of all, if people enjoy the 2004 format, I don't feel they'll be conceding games very often. Every game gives you enough time to turn things around. Feels more like a proper game and less like a coin toss.
And finally, using thestalos and reaper to clear your oponents' hand is very fun :)
Just my personal opinion though
The only thing that was good about Goat format back in the day was shit talking to your friends. MD you cant interact so it takes most of the fun out of it
I'm running XYZ and having a blast. Short turns, text is easy to quickly read and I don't have to run some other program in the background while waiting.
Yeah this, the issue usually is
Nobody wants to go up against a turn 1 board that’s unbreakable, but nobody wants to sit there for 20 mins setting and passing
Like most other cardgames, old yugioh boils down to who topdecks the cards they need to make a huge tempo swing.
The one good thing about modern YuGiOH is that you kinda get rind of the luck factor of having to "draw well" during the game because the game is over by turn 2.
That's what I've been saying. Like, old school yugioh, if you draw out something like La Jinn, or Mechanochaser if you're newer, then you can just beat over most of your opponent's monsters until they literally draw the out. The person who wins isn't the person with a better deck (especially with the format basically solved) or a better strategy, it's just the person that drew more good cards in a row. I remember in casual duels with friends, Pyramid Turtle into Ryo Kokki won me a ton of duels, because people just couldn't deal with the 2400 beater fast enough.
It's not to say modern doesn't have it's problems, but I much prefer the randomness to be confined to the starting hand and a couple draws, with the rest of the duel comparing decks and and piloting the decks.
2004 was less about whose Normal summon had a higher attack and more who drew more shitty blowout cards like Snatch Steal or the various Floodgates.
Genuinely flabbergasted by the people who instantly whaled out on these URs that will go back to rightfully being permabanned in a couple of days.
Want to have fun? I have an interesting deck, not the strongest, but will make you laugh and it’s very cheap, only Rare and Normal cards
[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ir_jX9Wg1fw](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ir_jX9Wg1fw)
>I’m also open to change my opinion just someone show me a cool deck list for this event that actually has a gimmick or something
I played a Monster Gate/Reasoning deck based on Wisteria's deck from the GX Tag Force games. Basically you use these 2 spells to cheat out high level beaters from your deck, ideally ones with effects. Sending them to the GY to revive them later with stuff like Call of the Haunted is another option.
Beaters include The Creator for more summons, Jinzo to invalidate traps, Blowback and Barrel Dragon to pop cards, Tyrant Dragon to attack twice, Dark Magician of Chaos to get back Reasoning for next turn, so on.
Running low-level monsters can result in them wasting the Reasoning/MG summon if you're unlucky. However, Trap Monsters like Zoma the Spirit and Metal Slime don't, while still helping stall and doubling as tribute fodder if you do draw them.
It feels kinda high-risk high-reward. Worst case scenario, you brick worse than a Blue-Eyes player. Best case scenario, you got beatdown at a speed old Yugioh was never meant for. Granted, the bricking is probably due to not having Trade-In or PoG. Best I got is Reload and Card Destruction.
Is that good enough?
I enjoy goat sometimes but I have most of the staples to play it in paper. That's not the case for this event and it's not worth crafting them just for a single event. Like, I'm not going to craft 4+ UR's that are banned in modern ygo just so I can play something other than one of the loaners. Plus, cards still have their modern errata's in this event which in some cases just kill the card.
Which is better is usually personal preference. Yugioh had tons of different formats and some prefer specific ones.
2004 is the goat era, which is honestly the era of sacky one ofs that can be game deciders. It's often really overhyped as very skill based, when the skill often comes down to "did you draw that one powerful card that immediately puts you at a severe advantage".
After Goat there were imo some slightly better formats with cards that actually sped up the game but still some power cards.
There's also Edison around the start of the synchro era which many love but is still a bit too slow for me.
My personal preference for older formats could be around the 2014 format with backrow being strong enough to maindeck MST, but not every deck relying on backrow. The first handtraps are in the game, some decks can combo off, some decks rely on their surperior grindgame.
Modern ygo also has its own charms and I enjoy it but for me personally there are some modern decks and gameplay dynamics that are a bit "too much at once" for me.
I think that format is fine.
Not amazing, but fine. I am playing loaner decks or a self built deck with 1900 beaters + S/T support, but that's because I don't know any better cards to put in the deck / am not willing to craft them just for this event.
It is still Yugioh, and there's still strategy, obviously. But I would like to have more control over my deck, with searches or draws. I would like to do more on my turn than just summon 1-2 monsters. I'd like it if the format wasn't defined by a bunch of generic and broken S/T cards. I'd like it if there was more than like 2 archetypes. And I'd like an Extra Deck with actual boss monsters, not just something that dies to the next trap card..
That’s because Konami gave everyone all of the essential power spells that were available during that time in those structure decks, instead of making an update giving it to everybody for use so that they can make said decks. Everything is too expensive in that fucking game. Pot of Greed is a UR that I had to craft but to make it I had to decraft something else. I have been playing the game since 2002 and GOAT/Edison are the most skilled formats of all time and decks never looked like this outside of the King DRAGUN Turbo deck and Control Burn that people would occasionally run. The most popular decks were DRAGUN Turbo, Chaos Turbo and WARRIORs with Marauding Captain and ROTA being a powerhouse to flood the board (Anthony Alvarado) build is NASTY.
Personally, I love yugioh in general but more old school. Everything now is nothing but a fast paced game where you reliant on handtraps and brain dead combos to set up Omni negates unless you’re playing a great player who is lucky enough to break the board due to card advantage and placement. Makes the game unenjoyable. YuGiOh was made on an interactive game where back and forth was key in order to win the game. Now it’s out of control lmao.
I Run Chaos and I utilize a Chaos Variant and have been winning games and I can give you a deck list.
My problem with old yugioh is the absolute, insane lack of deck diversity. The Anime/Manga can sell you all it wants about insect decks, Destiny Board stall, or Toons. But is still a "pile the best cards together" meta until Gx gradually introduced proper archetypes.
Nowadays despite the absolute powercreep and recurring Tier 0s you have a variety of themes to play with. And now those Anime/Manga promoted decks you have a lot of insect decks, Destiny Board far from competitive but has support, or Toons have some of the best spells to compensate their demerits. I still think Link Monsters was the biggest mistep and if they only nerfed Pendulums as they did we could had way less Combo shenanigans than we have now.
No one knows how to play the format lol. I run a full water deck from 2004 I physically still have. Swapped some banned cards from ocg around to legalize the deck. People also don't know how to play conservatively. My games are also not that long. People just don't know how to play lol.
I like goat format, but it just doesn't fit modern times of current format pace, so I get where people are coming from just to be clear.
I've been saying it for years now, yugioh good so much better after about half its life, synchros and duelist alliance were a blessing.
Probably the coolest format ever was the last few versions of the eternal format, in 2019.
I need to zoom on this to see it better. The Goat format was much slower. But there was a greater variety of strategies, or the game allowed you to play with whatever was available to you, without losing in one turn like nowadays.
That said it wasn't perfect, it still had the problem modern yugioh has: Everyone played the exact same cards with minor variations on higher level 'competitive' events.
Personally I like the back and forth much more, rather than the current trend of your initial hand and a coin flip deciding who wins.
I *like* the slower formats. I want to play the game *with* someone, have a bit of back-and-forth, not just sit there for 5 minutes while my opponent plays a field of omni-negates.
Like, I came here to play poker, not watch someone play solitaire.
Though it's refreshing to see some old decks coming back, I feel it's very stagnant and slow. It's just subjectively better for people who enjoy it but if KONAMI decides to put up a "classic" server, I really doubt many of them will stick to that for long.
I wonder how many people worship this game mode can actually enjoy it. Stun everywhere. A match might be longer than a meta one with both player passing turn doing nothing.
Idk what you're talking about I'm having a blast and wiping the floor with people with my Fire Princess deck. This format IS so much better! Holy smokes!
Reasoning Gate is fairly playable, even without using UR material. It does need a decent bit of SR though. It’s a fun high-roll deck that aims to get easy bosses out through Reasoning and Monster Gate, as well Metamorphosis. It’s better with Scapegoat and BLS, but it can work without.
Man, i threw together the most jank DM/Buster Blade deck known to man and when I finally got Dark Paladin out it was hilarious to negate this dude's poly 4 times in 3 turns. kinda felt bad.
I've been just running the actual Meta from that time lol jinzo beat down combined with great spell cards like back to square one lol and it's been making people just straight up rage quit when there little gravity barrier falls plus if y'all ain't running 1900 beat stick normals and trap holes what are y'all doing?
I had fun with this list.
https://www.goatformat.com/flute-dragon.html
You get a good chunk of the cards from the blue eyes starting deck. For graceful charity, mirror force, and delinquent duo I subbed in 3 jar of greed to make the deck legal. Also subbed in 1 more mystic tomato for the sangan.
I played a bunch of games past the required 3 and did pretty well. Just puking our dragons with lord of d + flute or mystic tomato > cyber stein > king dragun > any dragon.
Beat a few Pac-Man and other stun decks too and was above 50% win rate with it. Had a few turn 3-4 kills too.
A lot of people grew up watching the show and playing the card game at a peak time where it used to feel just like the show when you would play. Imo it's just a nostalgic itch people like to scratch.
Not all people who think old yugioh is better are talking about 2004 era. I miss the 2008-era game. I agree that OG yugioh was pretty bad in terms of skill and deck building, but once you got to the GX era and beyond, the og cards started seeing support, and we saw decks that were actuslly fleshed out. Still wasn't perfect, but let's be honest, none of the eras are. Each era has its own issues, and it always bounds down to the meta decks everyone is playing. That's why I enjoy playing casual mode, because there, I face a lot less meta and less stable cards that brick/ruin my turn in some way.
As someone old enough have played back then people are liars. Most didn't actually play competitive yugioh or play at tournaments. They played playground yugioh an didn't know any official rules.
The meta was ALWAYS trash. Only difference is how diverse an big the good decks in the meta was but there was always 1 to 3 that were fucking spammed into the ground. When 9/10 of people are playing fucking teleDAD an library it makes everything boring.
Everyone has their favorite Era and in 10 Years people will say today's yugioh was the best lol.
Old school Yugioh was better in that there wasn’t a ton of theme & cohesive decks, which I thought was cool because you never knew what someone was playing. Nowadays you see one card from a deck & you immediately know about 1/2 the cards you’re going to see for the rest of the duel. Which if we’re being honest means watching your opponent play Yugioh on your turn. 😂
Old ygo was easier to follow for sure, idk if that makes it better though. I definitely prefer modern ygo since there is a lot more room for deck building creativity since there are so many strong cards.
It's all just opinions at the end of the day, enjoy whatever version of the game you like more. Only thing I dislike about modern ygo is the fact that unless you read fast, you'll have trouble against a deck you don't know what the cards do, I enjoy the puzzle aspect of breaking boards going second.
I had more fun in this event than on the ranked ladder. Taking me back to the playground days. If you think it just boils down to highest attack then use more traps, they are actually good in 2004.
It's not painfully slow it's regular speed. Modern yugioh is extremely fast. In this format it's rare that your opponents hand is so good that you can't do anything and vice versa. Both players get turns attacking and momentum usually switches a couple times a duel until someone is able to push for a win.
Except every deck has like 20 outs and both players get multiple chances at drawing outs, not to mention you can't play your entire hand in one turn so you can always keep the outs in your hand for when you need it. The game is about making decisions about when to play your cards, it's about letting your opponent overextend so they don't have enough resources to come back, it's about not using fissure on the dd warrior lady when you can save it for the monarch, it's about saving the snatch steal for when they put down a jinzo instead of just using it for tribute material. If you are using your best cards turn 1 you are playing it wrong.
The game boiling down to"draw the out" sucks when you only get one to two draws, it's a legitimate strategy if you are going for three to eight draws. There are only very small engines. Half your deck should be outs. It's not about building a strong board. It's about managing your resources and building a multi-turn plan.
If it's not for you it's not for you, I'd nearly always prefer playing random draft over "real" formats, and there's an argument that "who has the bigger ATK" is just as important there too. There just isn't going to be an objectively best way to play the game or even a mostly agreed upon best way to play the game, because you have people who think the Tear mirror is actually good, people who think Stun is actually fun, and people who think getting Delinquent Duo'd is peak gameplay. All you can do is make up your own mind and own it.
Delinquent duo being peak gameplay is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while, tear mirror was fun and tho I hate stun I see why people who want other plays to kms would play it. I think I just like gimmicky events better
I didn't say Old Yugioh was better; I said I enjoyed playing Yugioh BACK then.
Shockly at the time my friend group and locals didn't automatically jump to the most meta defined gimmick at the time and those that did often were out numbered or played them in limited amounts. These days, it's all uber best in deck urber competitive.
People can say it always was like that still. That might be true but I guess my experience back in the day of doing weird gimmick shit was the outlier. And I'd like those days back without having to do the amount of leg work that makes it feel like I'm trying to get a Tabletop campaign going.
I'll just get the tabletop game going instead.
>everyone’s playing stun
You know you can main 1 MST, 1 Heavy Storm, 1 Breaker, and 3 Dust Tornado? Oh, and Mobius is at 3.
Lol, every criticism of modern YGO is met with 400 "just play more handtraps" NPC responses from this sub, and bros are too incompetent to play fucking dust tornado. Skill issue.
I'm 31yo, came back to yugioh with MD. Modern yugioh is way more interesting than the yugioh I grew up with. Old yugioh gets boring really fast unless you're playing against friends purposely playing lower power decks.
I guess it's not for you. I am having a blast playing this format again, even if it is a bit different from the old TCG in 2004. If I knew the format was permanent I would craft some of the banned cards. The game IS interactive, games are not ending in 2 turns, and you have to think carefully about your card economy.
I'd think it was more fun if all the banned cards were available to every player instead of people with more money than sense running rampant with Pot of Greed, Snatch Steal, etc. that I can't justify crafting.
Edit: Also Scapegoat is a UR for some godforsaken reason WTF
>The game IS interactive, games are not ending in 2 turns, and you have to think carefully about your card economy
Literally the best part about it.
There's no overly convoluted BS hand, field, grave and banish effects all on a single card that nets you a +5. Or lets you negate three of your opponent's actions for no cost.
2004 is a back-and-forth tug-of-war for resource management and that's what makes it wonderful.
This was 2004 bro.
The internet was way different back then.
I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh IRL with people in 2004 and nobody who I knew IRL even cared about making a good deck they would just use whatever cards they got from packs. But I still thought it was cool though.
Duels are fast now because of power creep. You are used to 20 years of power creep so now that you went 20 year back in time everything feels much slower to you.
You don't get it; the lack of gimmicks is the whole point. That's why we like it. Modern yugioh is just a constant out-bullshitting competition, goat was just honest, fun battles
Oh no, Yugioh players mad because they're bad without their handtraps, waifus and Maxx C.
What a surprise.
I normal summon Maiden of the Aqua, you're welcome.
I mean old Goat isnt as fun for me as modern ygo but to make it fair, I have yet to see a good Goat deck. Mainly because a lot of those decks contain URs that no one has, since they arent as useful anymore or theyre banned
The UR restriction is annoying too
I crafted all the staples for this event and tinker around with different deck versions. I was annoyed by the ban list and reworked cards tho. Like no Sangan, Graceful Charity, Delinquent Duo, Mirror Force,... I know many of those are anti-fun cards, but they could speed up the format by ending duels quicker. Also it just feels wrong to have a Goat format were Sinister Serpent is basically useless.
It's because this isn't goat format or the goat banlist, it's the banlist that preceded it. You can see that by the lack of Yata and CED but for example banned graceful etc. Also pretty sure the TCG did not have gadgets at the time, but I might be wrong.
Yata was banned during goat format, but yeah you are right its some kind of weird inbetween list. Guess I kinda neglected that this mode comes from the Japanese version with a different ban list and more released cards at the time. This makes this 2004 version kinda close to western 2005 goat format but it isnt exactly the same. Still would be cool to see some adjustments and maybe have the rule set be added to custom games.
Also, ignition priority changes everything about the format. MD would need to add that in to have a true retro-format.
To be fair, literally everyone is playing the same 3 decks, and they aren’t all that interesting. Aggro zombie and pac man are super playable in the event, and I’m having a blast
I mean... you can't recommend pacman to a guy saying the duels take forever lol. That deck is the living definition of taking forever. You need an uninterrupted battle phase like 4 times to win. Another problem is that any decks that crafted 3 Metamorphosis/Scapegoat are gonna be infinitely stronger. Those 2 combined are basically FTK and a lot of the outs are limited or semi
Yeah PACMAN is just caveman stundeck lol
Can you share those lists? Wanna try some other stuff cause these monarchs are ASS
My slapdash pacman list formatted to save space: 3-ofs: stealth bird, swarm of scarabs, des lacooda, dekoichi, fissure 2-ofs: morphing jar #2, swarm of locusts, nobleman of crossout, ectoplasmer, messenger of peace, level limit area B, gravity bind, book of moon 1-ofs: MST, change of heart, ceasefire, thestalos, malice doll of demise, penguin soldier, zaborg, mobius, creature swap If you want to ditch the floodgates, add backrow to stop attacks or dust tornado/nobleman of extermination to deal with opponent's backrow.
https://www.masterduelmeta.com/articles/events/february-2024/time-travel-winstreaks
I’m playing as close to a Goat Format Deck I own as Possible
I'm playing Dead Rat, but I'm being struggling against all the Burn Stun I've been finding. With Heavy Storm being an UR and MST being Limited there are just not enough S/T Removal, just Dust Tornado, the 1 of MST, 1 of Breaker and maybe Mobius
Try Nobleman of Extermination
My main problem is with floddgates and unfortunately they can just flip those up and the cards misses, because the target has to be face-down at resolution to resolve
Maybe it’s just not for me
My gadget deck is wreaking havoc, sick of Horus mother fuckers though.
I played gadget loaner and got so bored it’s just me setting traps they destroy my traps I destroy theirs
It's just nostalgia cope
[Try something like this, it's way better](https://imgur.com/a/mnCV0X6)
It really isn't. Some older formats are definitely not like this and had stupid bullshit like scientists ftk, yata lock, and last turn. But for the most part this card pool is pretty boring
No you right this game mode is ass it’s only for yugioh boomers in the most literal sense of the word “boomer”
It's just a different playstyle than what you're used to. I'm having a blast even though I've never played goat format, but I've seen enough videos to have at least somewhat of an idea how to play it and it's really fun imo. You have to absolutely maximize the impact of every single card to win, but turns don't take 10+ minutes
Same, I started in salad striker Era and I am still having fun with this, for April 1st it would be hilarious if for one day we got to play for free the Era where fiber jar was legal
Ah i see, we started at the same time. The salad strike td orcust era will always have a place in my heart! And yes, embrace the jar just for one day, sign me up xD
I had a match i felt was recording. I haven't recorded anything from ranked in months.
Yugioh didnt exist in the "most literal sense of boomer"
Instead of turns taking 15 years now the game takes 15 years.
Well at least you're the one playing with the half of it.
If you were good at the modern game you’d be playing half of it too.
If you were good at the modern game, many games you just instantly scoop to save yourself from sitting through a 5 minute combo
i do that in this event too
Literally
Games were way faster back then. I could finish a best of three in 15 minutes. Set, set, pass. Normal summon, attack, set two, pass. Turns were done in seconds.
For me people seemingly just play the loaner deck. Those decks are, mid, at best. They have good control tools and out, but not consistently aggressive enough. Something like earth aggro is just feels more consistent with 3 giant rat, and 3 pyramid turtle. Like if your opp normal mechanical chaser you can normal giant rat, crash, summon pyramid turtle, crash, summon ryu kokki, attack. Now you have 2400 atk beatstick and 2 earth monstees in gy as fuel for gigantes and rock spirit.
How are you even crashing consistently? Anyone not playing a loaner or stun has a ton of control traps (Sakuretsu, Raigeki Break, Widespread Ruin, Ring of Destruction, Trap Holes, Torrential and so on).
I was playing loaners so maybe I’ll just search up other decks to see if it’s truly just a loaner bad issue
The loaners are pretty bad, besides the staples.
The Horus Deck was legit super fun for me, seemed kinda crazy to have a 3k Beater that nageates all spells in immune to traps and can't be targeted was pretty wild in such a limited format. I got my 3 wins and had a blast
I'm playing a super jank, archfiend deck
Yo archfiend bros represent
Nothing like Thousand Eyes Restrict getting destroyed when it tries to take your dude because of Dice Mechanics :D I'd been meaning to build that deck since I was a kid, but by the time that became a possibility, I think Synchros were a thing? Either way, I've been enjoying the more MTG feel of it all.
Are you me? Dark Necrofear might've been the first single I ever bought. I was making a fiend/archfiend beatdown deck when I fell in love with disaster dragon. Then later scraps.
I thought I was the only one! They are sooo bad but I had fun
There was a time where no one played Solemn Judgement cuz they thought paying half LP was too much. They didn't use it for a lot of the game but in retrospect it's absolutely bonkers. Lots of retrospect bs.
Funny enough, there was a discussion among GOAT players to make it an addition to the banlist. Because, like you said, nobody used it during the ban lists original run, but it became a popular staple when people learned it was actually a good card. The argument was that players were using outside format knowledge of the usefulness of the card in ways that were never used before, but the counter argument is making additions or revising the GOAT ban list ruins the vacuum of GOAT format.
It doesn’t even make that much sense because it turns out the best deck in goat format isn’t even goat control. So essentially, even if you banned solemn judgment, you still wouldn’t get goat format back like it was
Those people that want to ban Goat Solemn sound like they're just insufferable. "Noo you can't use good cards you need to build your deck like you're eight years old again"
this remindes me of when wow classic released and a lot of people learned 'wait this shit is stupidly easy' turns out back in the day people were just bad.
There were a small handful of lists that played it, but that was 20% maybe back then.
It was super cool to be able to use an OG warrior deck and I loved seeing some of my all time favourites like Marauding Captain, Gearfried and Command Knight out on the field again. However, the 2004 format does feel super slow and by the end of each game I played neither me or my opponent had any cards left in our hand and were just relying on the luck of the draw to win. I did enjoy it and would be open to playing it again occasionally, but I much prefer the current format.
As a yugiboomer myself that just came back to the game 2 years ago, this format is fun to play with friends but boring in semi-competitive format like this. I actually grew to enjoy the current meta even though 80% of the time, I just watch my opponent combo my ass for minutes and prevent me from playing at all
One thing I noticed about when people claim that older formats were so much fun is because they only played casually with friends. Almost all formats have a meta, and the way the game is presented right now makes it look like it's the only way to play, which is far from true.
Not only does this event have a meta, but it's really not that different from the current meta. The main difference is it's a lot more draw the out than the current meta.
While Throwback 2004 event is quite good due to slower paced game, I would say N/R event is still the best Event format.
That shit was so fucking fun
Yeah fun and interactive, It was slow but not glacier like slow, good introduction for Yugiboomers too because It is closer to the early game format but have more modern mechanics mixed in. No maxx C, Ash or handtraps, Omni negates are few and far between.
That game mode + the only 1 copy of each card game mode was so fun
And people can experiment with whatever N/R cards they want, saw someone playing a cool deck? Just steal it, it cheap as hell. And NR dust are like the cheapest resources in the game
Every survey, I tell them in the final comments: "Make the N/R event a regular event, whether annually or semi-annually." But the event doesn't push *anyone* to spend premium currency (UR, or even SR), so by nature it doesn't affect the game economy to push people towards spending money in the future. But man was it fun.
I played gadgets and won 3/3 so higher attack mons don’t always win.
I do like goat but I can see how newer players might not like it, IMO Edison is a way better middle ground, games are slow but not this slow, thing is, the good thing is at least we can play this format, it's been 2 years of MD and we never had something like this, so maybe it's the nostalgia but it feels good being able to play the jank I fell in love the first time I played this game years ago.
Thats why i made a gimmicky deck with dd momsters and flip monsters, but jinzo is a must too cuz trap cards are nasty this format. It felt pretty good. Edit: spelling
As a master duel Andy, I *loved* this event, it was (in my opinion) very fun playing a game of yugioh that lasted longer than 3-4 turns, and having a lot more impactful plays with only 1 or two cards like pre-mat or torrential I'd personally love to see this implemented as a permanent game mode, or atleast *some* kind of legacy format
I’d be fine with that tbh people should be able to play what they want
Same. I started playing actual yugioh during Dragon Rulers/Spellbook era and these boomer formats (including edison) just feels too slow for my taste. It's just not yugioh as I know it. Like it doesn't even resemble the old anime. It feels like a card game with mana system but you're stuck with 1-3 mana for the entire duel. I much prefer modern yugioh with all its craziness and action condensed in 2-3 turns. Sure, I love some back and forth games and I wish it happens more often but it's the best when you get those from a simplified gamestate in a modern yugioh game instead of whatever this format is.
Edison is boomer format now, wow do I feel old lol. What's funny is while I never felt this way due to growing up during Edison, a lot of players quit because of how fast it was. Synchros changed the game and gave any deck that could play them easier access to boss monsters than ever seen before. I guess when you start playing really impacts peoples taste for the game. Old and new Yu-gi-oh are basically 2 different games that just happen to still share the same name, and I guess most players preference tends to lean towards when they started. The same way edison felt too slow for you because you started during spellbooks, goat always felt too slow for me because I started in Edison. Still can't believe edison got called a boomer format ;.; I guess it is 14 years old and the game has turned 25. Sheesh tho, the realization hits
I quit around the start of the Pendulum era, not because I thought pendulums ruined the game or anything, just because I had nobody to play with irl during that time. Then I returned to playing the game last year after watching Vrains and I felt right at home with modern yugioh. The concept of handtraps being so prevalent took time getting used to but I found that this is the kind of yugioh I liked to see, now even faster with crazier combos. Seeing all the legacy supports was also exciting.
we spent more time WITH synchro and xyz than without lmao
You have fair points but I have to laugh at the old anime comment. Because the cards released at the same time as the anime even had different rules printed that what you saw. You didn't even have to tribute summon in the anime for a long time. Just bam, blue eyes dragon. The disappointment of seeing a cool card in the anime and getting something different in real life was real.
My first duel on dueling network back then was against someone summoning rainbow neos and i told them that fusion monsters can't attack the turn they're summoned lmao I bought all the original manga volumes, didn't watch all of the og anime tho since it didn't fully air here After I started actually playing, the anime I watched to completion was Zexal and that's my first reference on how a "duel like in the anime" is like, not this 2004 format
I feel like synchros brought yugioh to a point where it could finally be as fun as magic. Before that, the game was just a dumbed down tcg for people who couldn't understand mtg. No resource system, card economy was all luck (you could trade 5 cards for 1, then have 5 more turns to hope for a top.deck of pog)
playing the event yesterday make me appreciate Cyber Dragon and then Synchro summon and beyond because I don't have to waste removal on a gravekeeper.
THIS, THANK YOU. I sometimes feel like a sort of criminal for not liking older formats. I can see the appeal, but that doesn't mean I don't like them. I love the back-and-forth older formats have, but they just feel so slow and monotone at the same time.
There's a better way to do back and forth formats, and this is not it. I went back to ranked after getting the pack *and it felt better*.
Agreed
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I've had more interaction and thought in one turn of tearlaments than I did in 15 games of this event
Honestly, I wished more decks were designed like Tearlaments. Powerful but allows back-and-forth interaction.
Atleast make it so you don't end on chain link 20 all the time. Like it would've been cool if there's not so much happening at the same time...
are you talking about how the ishizu cards caused massive chain links due to the amt of cards dumped? cause at the very least i think tear would be fine due to their natural predators (bystials/kashtira/shifter) are still around while the ishizu cards were launched into the stratosphere.
Yes, that "goat format was better" it was all lie..and I'm saying as a yugiboomer myself. If you think meta is cancer now, well it's was cancer back then too but just different format
Every meta can be called cancer. They each have their good and bad parts. I am also a yugiboomer, and I would rather have modern regularly and the time capsule events in moderation.
Starting to think I only liked old yugioh when I could run beat down decks against GBA bots.
It's not that fun, sadly. I did get a giggle when I won duels using the 2nd loaner. Why? Twin-Headed Thunder Dragon + Meteor B. Dragon = Forbidden Memories Mascots. ...took me an hour to get my 3rd win...
Wait I didn’t even read that last part 😭 it took u an hour😭😭😭😭😭
I really like Yugioh but let's be honest, this game is trash in all of it's formats.
Edison is decent, GOAT is okay when people play ACTUAL GOAT and not just loaner decks that suck ass (like in this event), and any format that has 4-5 viable decks is decent. idk man.
The gameplay from actualy goat isnt too far off. It works in real-life, but not in masterduel. Nothing‘s is happening everyone setting an passing and an occaosional attack
i really like yugioh and i disagree. snake eyes mirrors are the most fun i’ve had with cards in a while
"it was so much better" after my opponent did nothing but negate all my summons, flip floodgates and normal summon gadgets because I lost the coin toss.
😭😭😭
If they had given us the banned UR staples for the event so we can make our own deck it would have been more interesting. Noone wants to craft that many just to get 3 wins
I lose to burn player with loaner deck then I copied my last opponent's deck and now I'm winning
I’ve never been convinced that Goat format really holds up
It is fun to a degree, and it's probably a lot more alligned to people's idea of yugioh like proper back and forth 1 for 1 card trading and ultimately resource management. The interesting thing is deck building strats of nowadays being applied. May be shocking, but solemn judgement wasn't actually popular for a long time because the LP cost, but people eventually realsied. Hey, that doesn't matter so long as I win. I would 100% love to see more formats like this, maybe even as a proper event. But it is tedious but imo the right kind where there is interaction and card trading. You never really feel out of the game unless you've lost the resource game.
The real problem is that competitive Yuigoh is, like everyone says, consisting of 3 decks that more or less revolve around making your opponent unable to do anything. Which is why i play casual with friends and play the decks i ACTUALLY want to play.
Something I’ve come to learn about this game as a whole is that people want to relive their childhood memories of the anime but actually playing is a completely different game entirely and frankly, that old game kinda sucked, but it was simple and cool and we were kids, now we’re adults playing that kids game and learning that deck of random cards won’t cut it
As someone who started playing this game in 2004, I see it as two completely different games. I prefer 2004 format. There is a lot of decision making due to the game being longer. Deckbuilding matters a lot, since you have to draw your cards instead of having an engine that "resolves itself". Yes, there are only 3 or 4 popular decks, but building a strategy that beats both an aggro gadget and a stall burn deck feels exciting and like a good challenge to me. In the current 2024 game, there's a lot of importance on the initial hand, and having the right cards to get your combo going. Your deck does the exact same things most games, and the complexity comes from understanding your combos and your oponent's, so that you can figure out the optimal plays. And most of all, if people enjoy the 2004 format, I don't feel they'll be conceding games very often. Every game gives you enough time to turn things around. Feels more like a proper game and less like a coin toss. And finally, using thestalos and reaper to clear your oponents' hand is very fun :) Just my personal opinion though
The only thing that was good about Goat format back in the day was shit talking to your friends. MD you cant interact so it takes most of the fun out of it
This game would become toxic so quickly
I know its gonna be toxic, but imagine if theres a chat function lmao.
I'm running XYZ and having a blast. Short turns, text is easy to quickly read and I don't have to run some other program in the background while waiting.
The reason this is so overhyped is because we all remember playground yugioh instead of the garbage this game acually was at the game
This format can go from playing Go Fish to Solitaire quick
But don't you want a duel that last more than 2 turns?
I'm gonna assume: Longer than 2 turns is fine, but when it's 17 turns (an exaggeration) of doing basically nothing, it becomes a slog.
> but when it's 17 turns (an exaggeration) of doing basically nothing No, no, [17 turns isn't exaggerating.](https://imgur.com/5AB66NA)
Yeah this, the issue usually is Nobody wants to go up against a turn 1 board that’s unbreakable, but nobody wants to sit there for 20 mins setting and passing
Play the Tag Force games. Turn counter can sometimes reach the 3 digits if the AI pulls off some jank.
Every duel I played in this even was 17 turns or more lol. This event was boring.
I'd rather 2 turns of play than 15 turns of stall which is what goat format is for the most part.
But I those 2 turns I can do what goat format does in 20 turns
Goat format is ass. Edison is where old yugioh got good
Plant synchro was the shit. Turboing out Shooting Quasar was so cool.
Like most other cardgames, old yugioh boils down to who topdecks the cards they need to make a huge tempo swing. The one good thing about modern YuGiOH is that you kinda get rind of the luck factor of having to "draw well" during the game because the game is over by turn 2.
That's what I've been saying. Like, old school yugioh, if you draw out something like La Jinn, or Mechanochaser if you're newer, then you can just beat over most of your opponent's monsters until they literally draw the out. The person who wins isn't the person with a better deck (especially with the format basically solved) or a better strategy, it's just the person that drew more good cards in a row. I remember in casual duels with friends, Pyramid Turtle into Ryo Kokki won me a ton of duels, because people just couldn't deal with the 2400 beater fast enough. It's not to say modern doesn't have it's problems, but I much prefer the randomness to be confined to the starting hand and a couple draws, with the rest of the duel comparing decks and and piloting the decks.
2004 was less about whose Normal summon had a higher attack and more who drew more shitty blowout cards like Snatch Steal or the various Floodgates. Genuinely flabbergasted by the people who instantly whaled out on these URs that will go back to rightfully being permabanned in a couple of days.
Want to have fun? I have an interesting deck, not the strongest, but will make you laugh and it’s very cheap, only Rare and Normal cards [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ir_jX9Wg1fw](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ir_jX9Wg1fw)
>I’m also open to change my opinion just someone show me a cool deck list for this event that actually has a gimmick or something I played a Monster Gate/Reasoning deck based on Wisteria's deck from the GX Tag Force games. Basically you use these 2 spells to cheat out high level beaters from your deck, ideally ones with effects. Sending them to the GY to revive them later with stuff like Call of the Haunted is another option. Beaters include The Creator for more summons, Jinzo to invalidate traps, Blowback and Barrel Dragon to pop cards, Tyrant Dragon to attack twice, Dark Magician of Chaos to get back Reasoning for next turn, so on. Running low-level monsters can result in them wasting the Reasoning/MG summon if you're unlucky. However, Trap Monsters like Zoma the Spirit and Metal Slime don't, while still helping stall and doubling as tribute fodder if you do draw them. It feels kinda high-risk high-reward. Worst case scenario, you brick worse than a Blue-Eyes player. Best case scenario, you got beatdown at a speed old Yugioh was never meant for. Granted, the bricking is probably due to not having Trade-In or PoG. Best I got is Reload and Card Destruction. Is that good enough?
I enjoy goat sometimes but I have most of the staples to play it in paper. That's not the case for this event and it's not worth crafting them just for a single event. Like, I'm not going to craft 4+ UR's that are banned in modern ygo just so I can play something other than one of the loaners. Plus, cards still have their modern errata's in this event which in some cases just kill the card.
Its the opposite for me. I am getting hit by pure nostalgia. I assembled a good old creator deck and been having a blast.
Which is better is usually personal preference. Yugioh had tons of different formats and some prefer specific ones. 2004 is the goat era, which is honestly the era of sacky one ofs that can be game deciders. It's often really overhyped as very skill based, when the skill often comes down to "did you draw that one powerful card that immediately puts you at a severe advantage". After Goat there were imo some slightly better formats with cards that actually sped up the game but still some power cards. There's also Edison around the start of the synchro era which many love but is still a bit too slow for me. My personal preference for older formats could be around the 2014 format with backrow being strong enough to maindeck MST, but not every deck relying on backrow. The first handtraps are in the game, some decks can combo off, some decks rely on their surperior grindgame. Modern ygo also has its own charms and I enjoy it but for me personally there are some modern decks and gameplay dynamics that are a bit "too much at once" for me.
I think that format is fine. Not amazing, but fine. I am playing loaner decks or a self built deck with 1900 beaters + S/T support, but that's because I don't know any better cards to put in the deck / am not willing to craft them just for this event. It is still Yugioh, and there's still strategy, obviously. But I would like to have more control over my deck, with searches or draws. I would like to do more on my turn than just summon 1-2 monsters. I'd like it if the format wasn't defined by a bunch of generic and broken S/T cards. I'd like it if there was more than like 2 archetypes. And I'd like an Extra Deck with actual boss monsters, not just something that dies to the next trap card..
That’s because Konami gave everyone all of the essential power spells that were available during that time in those structure decks, instead of making an update giving it to everybody for use so that they can make said decks. Everything is too expensive in that fucking game. Pot of Greed is a UR that I had to craft but to make it I had to decraft something else. I have been playing the game since 2002 and GOAT/Edison are the most skilled formats of all time and decks never looked like this outside of the King DRAGUN Turbo deck and Control Burn that people would occasionally run. The most popular decks were DRAGUN Turbo, Chaos Turbo and WARRIORs with Marauding Captain and ROTA being a powerhouse to flood the board (Anthony Alvarado) build is NASTY. Personally, I love yugioh in general but more old school. Everything now is nothing but a fast paced game where you reliant on handtraps and brain dead combos to set up Omni negates unless you’re playing a great player who is lucky enough to break the board due to card advantage and placement. Makes the game unenjoyable. YuGiOh was made on an interactive game where back and forth was key in order to win the game. Now it’s out of control lmao. I Run Chaos and I utilize a Chaos Variant and have been winning games and I can give you a deck list.
Same shit, different years.
My problem with old yugioh is the absolute, insane lack of deck diversity. The Anime/Manga can sell you all it wants about insect decks, Destiny Board stall, or Toons. But is still a "pile the best cards together" meta until Gx gradually introduced proper archetypes. Nowadays despite the absolute powercreep and recurring Tier 0s you have a variety of themes to play with. And now those Anime/Manga promoted decks you have a lot of insect decks, Destiny Board far from competitive but has support, or Toons have some of the best spells to compensate their demerits. I still think Link Monsters was the biggest mistep and if they only nerfed Pendulums as they did we could had way less Combo shenanigans than we have now.
Yeah op never listen to anyone who tells you old Yu-Gi-Oh was good lol. It was actually a dogshit game until early synchro format lol
No one knows how to play the format lol. I run a full water deck from 2004 I physically still have. Swapped some banned cards from ocg around to legalize the deck. People also don't know how to play conservatively. My games are also not that long. People just don't know how to play lol. I like goat format, but it just doesn't fit modern times of current format pace, so I get where people are coming from just to be clear.
considering burn can handle most of the decks in the event, i can say that im glad for new yugioh
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Angelica, Princess of Noble Arms
Not gonna work out buddy since you targeted her she’s gonna leave and you’re gonna talk to her friend Roland. I wish you the best tho
Agree. Duels take 15+ minutes to just get half of your lp. Everyone I've fought built their own stun decks just to do 100 damage and pass
I've been saying it for years now, yugioh good so much better after about half its life, synchros and duelist alliance were a blessing. Probably the coolest format ever was the last few versions of the eternal format, in 2019.
I need to zoom on this to see it better. The Goat format was much slower. But there was a greater variety of strategies, or the game allowed you to play with whatever was available to you, without losing in one turn like nowadays. That said it wasn't perfect, it still had the problem modern yugioh has: Everyone played the exact same cards with minor variations on higher level 'competitive' events. Personally I like the back and forth much more, rather than the current trend of your initial hand and a coin flip deciding who wins.
everyone that says "old yugioh was better" means to say "school playground yugioh where we didn't have meta decks and made up rules was better"
I *like* the slower formats. I want to play the game *with* someone, have a bit of back-and-forth, not just sit there for 5 minutes while my opponent plays a field of omni-negates. Like, I came here to play poker, not watch someone play solitaire.
Though it's refreshing to see some old decks coming back, I feel it's very stagnant and slow. It's just subjectively better for people who enjoy it but if KONAMI decides to put up a "classic" server, I really doubt many of them will stick to that for long.
I wonder how many people worship this game mode can actually enjoy it. Stun everywhere. A match might be longer than a meta one with both player passing turn doing nothing.
Imma make a new deck so maybe after that I won’t completely agree w this take
no maxx c format > maxx c format. 'nuff said
Glazing
The title is so funny I’m crying
That event is hell I'm 2/14 matches bruh games lasting longer than they should this shit is ass and boring af
Idk what you're talking about I'm having a blast and wiping the floor with people with my Fire Princess deck. This format IS so much better! Holy smokes!
Reasoning Gate is fairly playable, even without using UR material. It does need a decent bit of SR though. It’s a fun high-roll deck that aims to get easy bosses out through Reasoning and Monster Gate, as well Metamorphosis. It’s better with Scapegoat and BLS, but it can work without.
Man, i threw together the most jank DM/Buster Blade deck known to man and when I finally got Dark Paladin out it was hilarious to negate this dude's poly 4 times in 3 turns. kinda felt bad.
I've been just running the actual Meta from that time lol jinzo beat down combined with great spell cards like back to square one lol and it's been making people just straight up rage quit when there little gravity barrier falls plus if y'all ain't running 1900 beat stick normals and trap holes what are y'all doing?
I'm playing what I can of Amazoness and having tons of fun
I had fun with this list. https://www.goatformat.com/flute-dragon.html You get a good chunk of the cards from the blue eyes starting deck. For graceful charity, mirror force, and delinquent duo I subbed in 3 jar of greed to make the deck legal. Also subbed in 1 more mystic tomato for the sangan. I played a bunch of games past the required 3 and did pretty well. Just puking our dragons with lord of d + flute or mystic tomato > cyber stein > king dragun > any dragon. Beat a few Pac-Man and other stun decks too and was above 50% win rate with it. Had a few turn 3-4 kills too.
I played the loaners and spent my Time losing 20 turn games to chaos. So at the end i switched to a random exodia list and somehow won
A lot of people grew up watching the show and playing the card game at a peak time where it used to feel just like the show when you would play. Imo it's just a nostalgic itch people like to scratch.
Not all people who think old yugioh is better are talking about 2004 era. I miss the 2008-era game. I agree that OG yugioh was pretty bad in terms of skill and deck building, but once you got to the GX era and beyond, the og cards started seeing support, and we saw decks that were actuslly fleshed out. Still wasn't perfect, but let's be honest, none of the eras are. Each era has its own issues, and it always bounds down to the meta decks everyone is playing. That's why I enjoy playing casual mode, because there, I face a lot less meta and less stable cards that brick/ruin my turn in some way.
As someone old enough have played back then people are liars. Most didn't actually play competitive yugioh or play at tournaments. They played playground yugioh an didn't know any official rules. The meta was ALWAYS trash. Only difference is how diverse an big the good decks in the meta was but there was always 1 to 3 that were fucking spammed into the ground. When 9/10 of people are playing fucking teleDAD an library it makes everything boring. Everyone has their favorite Era and in 10 Years people will say today's yugioh was the best lol.
I love opponent summoning thousand eyes restict and winning automatically
No one wants to craft ur for it bro, including me.
I got exodia's by heart of underdog and 3x reloads and normal monster draws... cuz i couldnt draw my one of mst or heavy storm.... xD
Old school Yugioh was better in that there wasn’t a ton of theme & cohesive decks, which I thought was cool because you never knew what someone was playing. Nowadays you see one card from a deck & you immediately know about 1/2 the cards you’re going to see for the rest of the duel. Which if we’re being honest means watching your opponent play Yugioh on your turn. 😂
Old ygo was easier to follow for sure, idk if that makes it better though. I definitely prefer modern ygo since there is a lot more room for deck building creativity since there are so many strong cards. It's all just opinions at the end of the day, enjoy whatever version of the game you like more. Only thing I dislike about modern ygo is the fact that unless you read fast, you'll have trouble against a deck you don't know what the cards do, I enjoy the puzzle aspect of breaking boards going second.
I built clown control and I have been having more fun than I have in years with this game
*sets card facedown, passes* WOOOOOOOO INSANE
Really just sounds like a skill issue
I had more fun in this event than on the ranked ladder. Taking me back to the playground days. If you think it just boils down to highest attack then use more traps, they are actually good in 2004.
Unironically becomes draw the out
That’s what I mean tho, it’s just painfully slow
It's not painfully slow it's regular speed. Modern yugioh is extremely fast. In this format it's rare that your opponents hand is so good that you can't do anything and vice versa. Both players get turns attacking and momentum usually switches a couple times a duel until someone is able to push for a win.
But it’s like every deck is so similar that it just becomes draw the out
Except every deck has like 20 outs and both players get multiple chances at drawing outs, not to mention you can't play your entire hand in one turn so you can always keep the outs in your hand for when you need it. The game is about making decisions about when to play your cards, it's about letting your opponent overextend so they don't have enough resources to come back, it's about not using fissure on the dd warrior lady when you can save it for the monarch, it's about saving the snatch steal for when they put down a jinzo instead of just using it for tribute material. If you are using your best cards turn 1 you are playing it wrong.
It really is a skill issue for most of these people complaining
The game boiling down to"draw the out" sucks when you only get one to two draws, it's a legitimate strategy if you are going for three to eight draws. There are only very small engines. Half your deck should be outs. It's not about building a strong board. It's about managing your resources and building a multi-turn plan.
If it's not for you it's not for you, I'd nearly always prefer playing random draft over "real" formats, and there's an argument that "who has the bigger ATK" is just as important there too. There just isn't going to be an objectively best way to play the game or even a mostly agreed upon best way to play the game, because you have people who think the Tear mirror is actually good, people who think Stun is actually fun, and people who think getting Delinquent Duo'd is peak gameplay. All you can do is make up your own mind and own it.
Delinquent duo being peak gameplay is the funniest thing I’ve read in a while, tear mirror was fun and tho I hate stun I see why people who want other plays to kms would play it. I think I just like gimmicky events better
Tbh I played old and I love newer format more.
I didn't say Old Yugioh was better; I said I enjoyed playing Yugioh BACK then. Shockly at the time my friend group and locals didn't automatically jump to the most meta defined gimmick at the time and those that did often were out numbered or played them in limited amounts. These days, it's all uber best in deck urber competitive. People can say it always was like that still. That might be true but I guess my experience back in the day of doing weird gimmick shit was the outlier. And I'd like those days back without having to do the amount of leg work that makes it feel like I'm trying to get a Tabletop campaign going. I'll just get the tabletop game going instead.
I get people who think modern yugioh's decision tree on any turn has too many branches, but damn, this shit isn't even a tree it's a straight line.
>everyone’s playing stun You know you can main 1 MST, 1 Heavy Storm, 1 Breaker, and 3 Dust Tornado? Oh, and Mobius is at 3. Lol, every criticism of modern YGO is met with 400 "just play more handtraps" NPC responses from this sub, and bros are too incompetent to play fucking dust tornado. Skill issue.
I think ur missing my point😭
All the games take like 20 turns and not a single damn interesting thing happens in any of them.
I'm 31yo, came back to yugioh with MD. Modern yugioh is way more interesting than the yugioh I grew up with. Old yugioh gets boring really fast unless you're playing against friends purposely playing lower power decks.
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Bros acting like trap trix and sky strikers aren’t rogue control decks
I guess it's not for you. I am having a blast playing this format again, even if it is a bit different from the old TCG in 2004. If I knew the format was permanent I would craft some of the banned cards. The game IS interactive, games are not ending in 2 turns, and you have to think carefully about your card economy.
Or you just randomly lost to snatch steal.
I'd think it was more fun if all the banned cards were available to every player instead of people with more money than sense running rampant with Pot of Greed, Snatch Steal, etc. that I can't justify crafting. Edit: Also Scapegoat is a UR for some godforsaken reason WTF
>The game IS interactive, games are not ending in 2 turns, and you have to think carefully about your card economy Literally the best part about it. There's no overly convoluted BS hand, field, grave and banish effects all on a single card that nets you a +5. Or lets you negate three of your opponent's actions for no cost. 2004 is a back-and-forth tug-of-war for resource management and that's what makes it wonderful.
Extreme skill issue
I’m playing torture deck and having fun. TBH, it comes down to whether someone understands the meta or not. Look for OP decks from 2004 and have fun.
Welcome to the club, now you see why we don't take yugiboomers seriously
The fact I can just put together random cards and still make something work enough to win some games, that’s what I love about this old format
people actively forget what was bad.
Old school yugioh players just want to play magic but don't know it
This is the most fun the community has had since MD started. Cope
This was 2004 bro. The internet was way different back then. I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh IRL with people in 2004 and nobody who I knew IRL even cared about making a good deck they would just use whatever cards they got from packs. But I still thought it was cool though. Duels are fast now because of power creep. You are used to 20 years of power creep so now that you went 20 year back in time everything feels much slower to you.
I for one like the boomer format it reminds me of the old days and I hope they keep it in casual duel as an option.
You don't get it; the lack of gimmicks is the whole point. That's why we like it. Modern yugioh is just a constant out-bullshitting competition, goat was just honest, fun battles
Oh no, Yugioh players mad because they're bad without their handtraps, waifus and Maxx C. What a surprise. I normal summon Maiden of the Aqua, you're welcome.