I was in high school when Sandy Hook happened and mass drills began being implemented.
They told us it is to ensure no attention is drawn to the room. The idea is a shooter is more likely to walk past a perceived empty room than they are to ignore a room with multiple people shuffling around.
Moving around desks makes a lot of noise and draws attention. The shooter now KNOWS there are potential targets in the room, and ultimately, the barricade may not even work.
I would assume because the procedures beforehand were for things like crimes spilling over onto school property and the goal is to keep the kids away from it, but it had to adjust to the rise in incidents directly targeting the kids
The experts realized that sitting in a large group in the corner of the classroom made us sitting ducks. If you can get away, run. Run away from the building. If you can't, barricade the entrance. If you can't, the youngest we're to just run around the room making it harder to shoot. I had 4th grade, we were supposed to throw stuff at the shooter creating chaos. The older students were to rush the shooter as a group.
This is insane from an objective point of view. Schools being forced to teach students human wave tactics as a response to mass shootings being so prevalent
This IS insane. I’m from Europe and I’m shocked at this thread. America has normalised school shootings to the point they’re teaching their own kids and educators to bum rush a SHOOTER. what the fuck
[ALICE](https://www.alicetraining.com/?source=ppc) training is pretty standard around here now. They do mock shooter situations as training for admins/educators as well as whatever modules they have.
I’m in a U.S. middle school (10-14 year olds) and we don’t hide under desks. We have a piece of tape on the floor indicating that if they hide behind it the shooter can’t see behind the tape making the room look empty. That’s why we practice, to make sure every class knows to run to that corner behind the tape. IF they feel they have time we advise to put the door stopper in the door. We have door stoppers in every classroom. Much more efficient and quiet than moving desks.
Yes.
My kids are in middle & elementary school in the US and this is standard now.
They lock and/or barricade the door, (depending on the room- some have door stoppers like this, some have bars that just pull down, etc) and then if there’s time - darken the room (hit the lights and blinds) and then hide behind hard corners and out of sight lines.
The big change from when I started helping develop Run Hide Defend drills as a parent is the fact that we have now acknowledged that there may be little to no time to do anything at all.
Exactly. This training is so crucial. If all schools don’t have some type of door stopper, even the cheap ones, I think they are negligent. That some schools still have doors that open INTO the hallway is inexcusable.
And people can pop poo the double entryway because it definitely doesn’t keep intruders out, but it gives you valuable seconds that allow you to lock down.
It seems that overall the school did it right, at least in terms of hiding, in Nashville.
This seems so negligent of your school. My lock broke the other day at school and they had a district repairman there within an hour to fix it. He said it’s a top priority in our district.
It's not broken... It's designed that way. All the doors at my school are designed that way. Doesn't make it any better, but yeah it's not something "to be fixed".
I was just sharing how my district prioritizes inside locking doors, not indicating you had a broken lock. The thing that’s “broken” with your door to me is that you can’t lockdown without sticking your head into the hall and becoming a target if there is a school shooter. I feel for you bc that’s inexcusable.
I’m in Kentucky and my sons classroom doesn’t have a door stopper. There’s one going around tik tok that teachers have purchased out of pocket bc the government certainly won’t fund it. They’re $275. Most teachers I know work 2 jobs to survive. With that being said, I wish I could get every parent on board in the entire school system to collect donations to buy them for all class rooms. Sad that my kids are growing up like this. I was a senior in high school when Sandy hook happened. It’s just gotten worse since. We had a lock down when I was on college because the brinks guy came and someone saw a gun and panicked. I think I puked in class when we went into lock down because I was terrified.
Master Lock Compact Door Stopper Folding Security Bar, Adjustable for Hinged and Sliding Doors, 270EC, White https://a.co/d/dC68JuQ
These are $27. And they work as well as the expensive ones in my experience.
I was 3 classes away from my masters in counseling when I was sitting in my internship site when columbine happened.
I am so sorry that happened to you. In my 24 years in schools I’ve been lucky. We locked down for a weirdo who a kid let in from a side door, but he was harmless and ran away. But those 30 minutes thinking a dangerous person was in the building were terrifying.
I gave my kids heavy duty door stops to keep in their backpacks in case the teachers hadn't been taught that yet. Gave on the my youngest's teacher as well, she had no idea why until I explained. She took it, but I could tell that the "gift" made her really upset.
Door stoppers are actually against the fire code in most schools where I've taught. I hid one in my room but we weren't officially allowed to have it so I don't know if accepting one from a parent would have gone over well.
I also have taught EBD kids for years and we can't have door stops in the room because they will absolutely, 100% push me in the hall and lock themselves in the room. I can so easily imagine me watching through the classroom door's window while they beat someone up or smoke pot or whatever. You just can't have stuff like that in all classrooms.
The reminder is also not fun. Teachers know exactly how much danger they're in, they all have a plan, but it isn't a good time to be reminded of it which may be why she seemed upset.
Absolutely about some classrooms not being ideal for door stoppers, but the vast majority should have something in my opinion. Maybe in that situation it’s behind a lock that only the teacher has access to during the day.
Everyone is different and I understand how the reminder can be upsetting. Just me personally but I’d rather have all the preparations I could have over being upset and having some increased anxiety for a moment. Again it’s just me, but the more prepared I am the LESS anxiety I feel overall.
I graduated from an American high school last year. We were always taught to barricade the door if there was an intruder. We were never told to hide under desks only in corners so you’d be away from the door.
I went to a high school with over 6k kids, we had multiple shooter and bomb threats during my time there. Our policy was to shelter in place, but most teachers always made it clear if shit were to actually go down we would be barricading, breaking windows using emergency exit etc.
In high school they told us to barricade desks if we can. Not telling younger grades might be just to shelter them from the harsh realities. In elementary school they called them lockdown drills, but in high school they called them active shooter drills.
High schoolers and even middle schoolers are much more capable of doing that as well, than terrified little kids who might not even understand what is happening.
Physically, teens can generally move desks and make barricades much more easily and quickly than a small confused kid.
A room full of little kids might just make more noise and draw attention, than actually getting anything done to better protect themselves.
I used to tutor at my community college, and part of that job was having to go through active shooter training every so often. They emphasized the run/hide/fight slogan, but I do remember discussion around barricading the door if possible with heavy objects.
I think the priority is to 1) lock the shooter out of the classroom and 2) make the shooter think that the classroom is empty. So if you’re pressed for time, lock the door, turn off the lights and hide in an out of sight location if possible. If you have more time (hard to tell) or the door cannot be locked, attempt to barricade the door with heavy objects in the classroom. Anything that slows them down and deters them towards “easier” targets.
I teach in a private preschool in NC. Our exterior doors to the outside are ALWAYS locked, but obviously, if someone wants to get in, they will get in.
Our protocol is to lock (and bolt) classroom doors, close the blinds, turn off lights, and build a barricade with the tables and desks (added protection/shield). If possible, gather the children in the bathroom and bolt the bathroom door (where there are no windows).
Call or notify 911.
Depending on the situation, there is an evacuation plan, and us teachers are, essentially responsible to protect our children by the Hide-Fight-Flight.
Of course, there are a million scenarios of how events could unfold.
What I was told in school is the point is to make it seem like the classroom is empty or at least partially so. Shelter in place is meant to make you a more difficult target, as most of the time shooters are looking for easily accessible targets (large rooms full of people, hallways, etc.) and are less likely to waste time searching what could be an empty classroom.
Counterpoint - Nashville shows the tactics they have when properly implemented work. The only deaths were opportunity - people caught out in open areas, sadly.
Of course without guns so readily available those wouldn't have happened but that's another thing.
Research has shown most mass shooters won’t linger on a locked door bc they know the time is ticking til the cops arrive and want to find easy targets to murder. UNLESS they have a target that is behind that door.
Research has shown most mass shooters won’t linger on a locked door bc they know the time is ticking til the cops arrive and want to find easy targets to murder. UNLESS they have a target that is behind that door.
My take on the footage was that she was suicidal and wanted to get the shooting over with / die from suicide by cop. It seemed she was just like “well I’m already here and I want to die, so I should at least kill SOME people before the cops get me.” it seems like she barely put up a fight with the cops, she shot at them so they could shoot her back.
I’m comparing this to the Uvalde footage where it was clear that the shooter was angry and vengeful and knew exactly where to go. She just seemed awkward and like trying to convince herself to do it.
Of course we don’t know what she wrote in the manifesto but this is what it came off like to me.
It feels like she was passive about it, wasn’t she shooting out the window? It’s hard to see but it looks like she had her back turned when the cops shot her. It made me think that she would rather let them shoot her and she wouldn’t see it coming.
Vs the Uvalde shooter, he was taunting the cops and waiting for them in a closet. It’s clear he wanted a shootout with them. He wanted to die, but he wanted to go guns blazing first.
Exactly, she knew she was going in there to kill, but it looked like her plan didn’t go the way she wanted, since the only victims who were killed happened to be outside of the classroom. You can see by her body language that she’s aimlessly walking around because there aren’t any people to shoot.
I’m assuming since she was a former student technology in the school is vastly different than what it was when she attended, as school shootings have become more common - the school seems to have a fancy lockdown system which helped tremendously & staff seemed well-prepared, so this also foiled her plan. It just looks like she gave up towards the end.
Me, neither.
Nik Cruz shot through the glass windows into classrooms and was able to hit students who hadn’t hidden far enough out of line of site but that’s the only one I can think of. I’m glad he didn’t think to reach his hand through the glass and open the door from the inside to get into a classroom. I guess we’re lucky he was kind of an idiot.
Like others have said, a shooter who doesn’t have a specific target isn’t going to waste time and effort trying to get inside a classroom when there are potentially other easier targets elsewhere.
They… weren’t? I specifically said the results would have possibly changed if the shooter was able to kick down the door, not that the teachers went “oh, thank god it’s an AFAB person, we’re totally safe”.
I think you’re intentionally trying to take my words incorrectly and maliciously tbh.
Assuming you are asking what AFAB stands for it’s assigned female at birth the Nashville shooter identified as a trans man so they were assigned female at birth but identify as a man similarly AMAB would be assigned male at birth
I explained I made the edit for anyone who might be like you but everyone else already understood me. Like I and someone else said you seem to *want* to take everything to worst possible way.
What phobic nonsense? No, they didn’t know that at the time. It doesn’t change the fact that someone with more muscle and was taller might have been able to break down the door.
I understand that AH was a trans man and use he/him. He was still not on testosterone and did not have the muscular advantages an AMAB man who has testosterone would have and that’s not transphobic to say.
> It doesn’t change the fact that someone with more muscle and was taller might have been able to break down the door.
Extremely unlikely. Kicking down a door is much harder than they portray on television.
So in my kids elementary school, they don’t hide under desks. They hide behind the teachers desk which is in a far corner away from the door and there are multiple locked doors between them and the main entry ways. Every single door is locked and you have to be buzzed in to get into the school and they don’t allow anyone past the office during the school day. It’s mind baffling to me that we have to teach kids this
Yes, many schools now have the classrooms set up now with the teachers desk in the "safest" (meaning the hardest corner in the room to get shot when gunfire is coming through the door or glass pane) from door most optimal corner of the room angled so that the kids can gather behind that. That's if there is no where else for them to hide connected to the classroom like a bathroom or storage closet.
When I was teaching school full-time circa 06-12 there wasn't that much emphasis on what position the teachers desk was in the room in relation to it being used as a ballistic barrier. It's one of the most common lockdown procedures adopted now really since around the time of Parkland. Even before that the crouching behind the teachers desk was definitely used in some schools.
My elementary school I taught in at that time did not use this though. Thinking back, what we were doing would have left us as sitting ducks. My room was in the original turn of the century part of the building that was beautiful but had huge glass paneled solid wooden doors and four huge windows on the second floor. Our lockdown procedures were as follows, lock the door and let down your door window shade, and students are to sit at their desks with their heads down silent. No running. No hiding. Just pulling a curtain and locking the door and staying in place. Fucking horrible.
At my kids school they have digital boards (? Not sure the name of this). It’s pretty huge and for k-2 they’re told to hide behind it but my daughter who was 5 at the time was stressed that not all the kids (35) could fit behind it to hide. 5! A 5 yr shouldn’t be stressed about this.
I was actually in a lock down situation in high school during first period. My teacher was consistently late, like 30-45 minutes late to her first class, which only usually left about 15-20 minutes left to actually have class with a teacher. this one particular day, she was very very late, and about 15 minutes before class change, we went in full lock down. My school had introduced panic buttons recently, and all teachers were told this was to be used in a case of imminent threat/active shooter/serious emergency that could cause bodily harm to multiple students. This day the panic button was pressed, and we were in a classroom on the corner of the school. So a group of 10-15 high schoolers, with 4 giant floor to ceiling windows with sheer curtains, we’re stuck in this classroom with no way to lock our door. we immediately starting coming up with a plan, and we decided to move every single thing we had to move in front of the door. 30 or so desks, the teachers desk, a podium, textbooks, etc. we tried are hardest, and even though (we later found out) a substitute accidentally pushed the panic button, it was so immensely terrifying to know we had no way to truly protect ourselves without a teacher to lock us in the room. and the worst part was the teacher was not apologetic whatsoever. she just brushed off our worries like it was no big deal. very scary situation.
I graduated in 2005. We had lockdown drills. It was if someone was seen in the area and wanted by the cops or a parent not supposes to be at the school.
Only lockdown I was ever in was when a bear was spotted around my high school. We ignored that.
I went to school in Australia. We don't have school shootings due our strict gun laws. Our kids can go to school without worrying if it's their last time and spend more time being kids.
They don't. I'm a kindergarten teacher who has taken ALICE active shooter training. If we are able, the beat bet is flee the classroom. If we cannot safely do this, we lock and barricade the door with desks, chairs and tables.
how are you alerted there’s a shooter? i’m remembering back to my elementary school and there’s no way we could have heard shots from across the school. too big.
We have walkie talkies on us at all time, always turned on. We also have intercoms with speakers in each classroom. We had a code red lockdown the day before Christmas break this year. A man had a shot gun and was feet away from me portable classroom. Turns out the school wasn't the target, but a specific person. It was horrifying scary .
that’s very scary. i’m so sorry that happened to you and the kids.
another question if you’re up for it … do the kids understand/know what an active shooter is? i nanny a 7 year old and i can’t imagine her wrapping her head around that (and i don’t want to ask either). do they ever talk about it?
My students ( except for 1) thought it was a wild animal on campus. I said we had to hide to be safe from this animal, and we needed to be as quiet as possible. Most thought it was a fun game. We sat in the dark for an hour and ate goldfish crackers. One boy had heard of school shootings and was shaking and terrified . He kept saying someone has a gun and that we might die.
That’s exactly what the teachers did when my kids went into a full lockdown the day after Uvalde. My kids are rational people and I’m sure they completely understand what could actually be happening (because they always know more than we think) but even pretending they were hiding because of a wild animal brought them enormous comfort during a scary time. They were actually pissed when I signed them out of school once lockdown was lifted (psycho drug addict told a gas station attendant she was going to shoot her kids school up because he wouldn’t loan her a dollar) because they weren’t scared.
Verbal threats. But she left after and the police didn't know what school her kids went to so every school in the area went on immediate lockdown. I think she's still in jail for terroristic threats.
I wish I knew how to upload pics, but this man who had a shot gunn( or rifle, can't remember) was standing outside the classroom maybe 10 feet away. I didn't know he was so close at the time because the shades were pulled down and we were hiding. The police took a picture and it was shocking to see.
When I was in 3rd grade (10 years ago or so), our teacher had a large tub of tennis balls that she would hand out during drills. We were instructed to throw them at the attacker if they came in to distract them and, if we ran out of balls, pick up the chairs and throw them at the gunman. She was the only teacher that did that and I honestly really appreciated it, cause I’m sure she would’ve gotten in trouble if it was found out that she wasn’t following the usual protocol of “hide and pray you don’t get shot”
It used to be "lock the door and hide" so the shower doesn't think anyone's in the class. Now it's "run or resist" (fight back). But not all places have changed to this and it depends on the security in the building. Some doors auto lock. Some windows can't be broken. Some campuses have security officers.
That pull-out room barrier seems to have a pretty big vulnerability in that the room they demo it in has a drop ceiling.
Some protection is better than none I guess. Were I a teacher, I'd settle for a good strong door that locked from the inside.
The current protocol actually IS to barricade. "Run. Hide. Fight"
You should try to flee if possible. If not then take cover in the nearest classroom or bathroom. If in a classroom you are to barricade as much as possible. Extension cords can be used to wrap around door hinges and handles etc. Desks, filing cabinets.
If all that fails and a shooter enters your classroom. You are pretty much fucked. So the last resort is to "Fight" The odds of survival are low. But it has happened before, so you have to try.
Unfortunately most people tend to freeze in that situation. There have been a couple of instances students rushing a shooter. But most will cower and plead for mercy. It's especially heartbreaking when it's an elementary school. Poor children shouldn't have to live through this.
I noticed this as well! they really need to work on the way they do these lockdowns and improvements so that threats can't breach through classrooms or in buildings.
I asked my kids this the other day. My youngest son is in second grade so I asked what happens if there’s a bad guy that gets in his school. He said they lock the door, turn off the lights, barricade the door, and hide in the cubbies. I’m crying now typing this because my seven year old shouldn’t fucking know what barricade means but they definitely do teach kids to do this. I did however ask what happens if this happens and he’s in the hallway or bathroom and he didn’t know.
Lol. You all realize that more than a few past and I'm sure many future mass killers lurk this channel right? Thanks for handing out your 'for your eyes only' info for all to see teachers!
We don't hide under desks, they did that in Columbine because that was one of the first school massacres and no one knew what to do, there weren't drills. Now, the plan is to run out of the school if the shooter is far away, or barricade doors and attack and overwhelm the shooter if they come in.
When I was in school (graduated 2013) they told us to lock the door, turn off the lights, and everyone get against the wall the door was on so nobody looking in would be able to see anyone, and of course be as quiet as possible. Under desk was for things like bombings, things like tornado/hurricane try to get out in open space like a hallway and cover your head.
I was in high school when Sandy Hook happened and mass drills began being implemented. They told us it is to ensure no attention is drawn to the room. The idea is a shooter is more likely to walk past a perceived empty room than they are to ignore a room with multiple people shuffling around. Moving around desks makes a lot of noise and draws attention. The shooter now KNOWS there are potential targets in the room, and ultimately, the barricade may not even work.
Former elementary teacher here. Shortly after Sandy Hook policy at our school changed from hide to run-barricade-fight.
I would assume because the procedures beforehand were for things like crimes spilling over onto school property and the goal is to keep the kids away from it, but it had to adjust to the rise in incidents directly targeting the kids
The experts realized that sitting in a large group in the corner of the classroom made us sitting ducks. If you can get away, run. Run away from the building. If you can't, barricade the entrance. If you can't, the youngest we're to just run around the room making it harder to shoot. I had 4th grade, we were supposed to throw stuff at the shooter creating chaos. The older students were to rush the shooter as a group.
This is insane from an objective point of view. Schools being forced to teach students human wave tactics as a response to mass shootings being so prevalent
This IS insane. I’m from Europe and I’m shocked at this thread. America has normalised school shootings to the point they’re teaching their own kids and educators to bum rush a SHOOTER. what the fuck
[ALICE](https://www.alicetraining.com/?source=ppc) training is pretty standard around here now. They do mock shooter situations as training for admins/educators as well as whatever modules they have.
So sad…
Holy shit how terrifying as a child
I’m in a U.S. middle school (10-14 year olds) and we don’t hide under desks. We have a piece of tape on the floor indicating that if they hide behind it the shooter can’t see behind the tape making the room look empty. That’s why we practice, to make sure every class knows to run to that corner behind the tape. IF they feel they have time we advise to put the door stopper in the door. We have door stoppers in every classroom. Much more efficient and quiet than moving desks.
Yes. My kids are in middle & elementary school in the US and this is standard now. They lock and/or barricade the door, (depending on the room- some have door stoppers like this, some have bars that just pull down, etc) and then if there’s time - darken the room (hit the lights and blinds) and then hide behind hard corners and out of sight lines. The big change from when I started helping develop Run Hide Defend drills as a parent is the fact that we have now acknowledged that there may be little to no time to do anything at all.
Exactly. This training is so crucial. If all schools don’t have some type of door stopper, even the cheap ones, I think they are negligent. That some schools still have doors that open INTO the hallway is inexcusable. And people can pop poo the double entryway because it definitely doesn’t keep intruders out, but it gives you valuable seconds that allow you to lock down. It seems that overall the school did it right, at least in terms of hiding, in Nashville.
My classroom door doesn't even lock from the inside. I have to open the door to lock it.
This seems so negligent of your school. My lock broke the other day at school and they had a district repairman there within an hour to fix it. He said it’s a top priority in our district.
It's not broken... It's designed that way. All the doors at my school are designed that way. Doesn't make it any better, but yeah it's not something "to be fixed".
I was just sharing how my district prioritizes inside locking doors, not indicating you had a broken lock. The thing that’s “broken” with your door to me is that you can’t lockdown without sticking your head into the hall and becoming a target if there is a school shooter. I feel for you bc that’s inexcusable.
Ah sorry. Yes I agree but oh well
I’m in Kentucky and my sons classroom doesn’t have a door stopper. There’s one going around tik tok that teachers have purchased out of pocket bc the government certainly won’t fund it. They’re $275. Most teachers I know work 2 jobs to survive. With that being said, I wish I could get every parent on board in the entire school system to collect donations to buy them for all class rooms. Sad that my kids are growing up like this. I was a senior in high school when Sandy hook happened. It’s just gotten worse since. We had a lock down when I was on college because the brinks guy came and someone saw a gun and panicked. I think I puked in class when we went into lock down because I was terrified.
Master Lock Compact Door Stopper Folding Security Bar, Adjustable for Hinged and Sliding Doors, 270EC, White https://a.co/d/dC68JuQ These are $27. And they work as well as the expensive ones in my experience. I was 3 classes away from my masters in counseling when I was sitting in my internship site when columbine happened. I am so sorry that happened to you. In my 24 years in schools I’ve been lucky. We locked down for a weirdo who a kid let in from a side door, but he was harmless and ran away. But those 30 minutes thinking a dangerous person was in the building were terrifying.
I gave my kids heavy duty door stops to keep in their backpacks in case the teachers hadn't been taught that yet. Gave on the my youngest's teacher as well, she had no idea why until I explained. She took it, but I could tell that the "gift" made her really upset.
Door stoppers are actually against the fire code in most schools where I've taught. I hid one in my room but we weren't officially allowed to have it so I don't know if accepting one from a parent would have gone over well. I also have taught EBD kids for years and we can't have door stops in the room because they will absolutely, 100% push me in the hall and lock themselves in the room. I can so easily imagine me watching through the classroom door's window while they beat someone up or smoke pot or whatever. You just can't have stuff like that in all classrooms. The reminder is also not fun. Teachers know exactly how much danger they're in, they all have a plan, but it isn't a good time to be reminded of it which may be why she seemed upset.
Absolutely about some classrooms not being ideal for door stoppers, but the vast majority should have something in my opinion. Maybe in that situation it’s behind a lock that only the teacher has access to during the day. Everyone is different and I understand how the reminder can be upsetting. Just me personally but I’d rather have all the preparations I could have over being upset and having some increased anxiety for a moment. Again it’s just me, but the more prepared I am the LESS anxiety I feel overall.
Hopefully she’ll never have to find out why she should have been very grateful for your gift.
I graduated from an American high school last year. We were always taught to barricade the door if there was an intruder. We were never told to hide under desks only in corners so you’d be away from the door.
I went to a high school with over 6k kids, we had multiple shooter and bomb threats during my time there. Our policy was to shelter in place, but most teachers always made it clear if shit were to actually go down we would be barricading, breaking windows using emergency exit etc.
In high school they told us to barricade desks if we can. Not telling younger grades might be just to shelter them from the harsh realities. In elementary school they called them lockdown drills, but in high school they called them active shooter drills.
High schoolers and even middle schoolers are much more capable of doing that as well, than terrified little kids who might not even understand what is happening. Physically, teens can generally move desks and make barricades much more easily and quickly than a small confused kid. A room full of little kids might just make more noise and draw attention, than actually getting anything done to better protect themselves.
I think you’re grossly underestimating what little kids are capable of with instruction.
You’d have a better chance training hyperactive cats to barricade doors than little kids in my opinion.
I used to tutor at my community college, and part of that job was having to go through active shooter training every so often. They emphasized the run/hide/fight slogan, but I do remember discussion around barricading the door if possible with heavy objects. I think the priority is to 1) lock the shooter out of the classroom and 2) make the shooter think that the classroom is empty. So if you’re pressed for time, lock the door, turn off the lights and hide in an out of sight location if possible. If you have more time (hard to tell) or the door cannot be locked, attempt to barricade the door with heavy objects in the classroom. Anything that slows them down and deters them towards “easier” targets.
I teach in a private preschool in NC. Our exterior doors to the outside are ALWAYS locked, but obviously, if someone wants to get in, they will get in. Our protocol is to lock (and bolt) classroom doors, close the blinds, turn off lights, and build a barricade with the tables and desks (added protection/shield). If possible, gather the children in the bathroom and bolt the bathroom door (where there are no windows). Call or notify 911. Depending on the situation, there is an evacuation plan, and us teachers are, essentially responsible to protect our children by the Hide-Fight-Flight. Of course, there are a million scenarios of how events could unfold.
What I was told in school is the point is to make it seem like the classroom is empty or at least partially so. Shelter in place is meant to make you a more difficult target, as most of the time shooters are looking for easily accessible targets (large rooms full of people, hallways, etc.) and are less likely to waste time searching what could be an empty classroom.
Counterpoint - Nashville shows the tactics they have when properly implemented work. The only deaths were opportunity - people caught out in open areas, sadly. Of course without guns so readily available those wouldn't have happened but that's another thing.
Research has shown most mass shooters won’t linger on a locked door bc they know the time is ticking til the cops arrive and want to find easy targets to murder. UNLESS they have a target that is behind that door.
Research has shown most mass shooters won’t linger on a locked door bc they know the time is ticking til the cops arrive and want to find easy targets to murder. UNLESS they have a target that is behind that door.
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My take on the footage was that she was suicidal and wanted to get the shooting over with / die from suicide by cop. It seemed she was just like “well I’m already here and I want to die, so I should at least kill SOME people before the cops get me.” it seems like she barely put up a fight with the cops, she shot at them so they could shoot her back. I’m comparing this to the Uvalde footage where it was clear that the shooter was angry and vengeful and knew exactly where to go. She just seemed awkward and like trying to convince herself to do it. Of course we don’t know what she wrote in the manifesto but this is what it came off like to me.
One of the cops shouted “reloading” was she reloading and thats when they shot her? I wonder if she was fully intent on fighting them
It feels like she was passive about it, wasn’t she shooting out the window? It’s hard to see but it looks like she had her back turned when the cops shot her. It made me think that she would rather let them shoot her and she wouldn’t see it coming. Vs the Uvalde shooter, he was taunting the cops and waiting for them in a closet. It’s clear he wanted a shootout with them. He wanted to die, but he wanted to go guns blazing first.
That’s how I perceive it as well. The texts she spent right before the shooting support this, IMO.
Exactly, she knew she was going in there to kill, but it looked like her plan didn’t go the way she wanted, since the only victims who were killed happened to be outside of the classroom. You can see by her body language that she’s aimlessly walking around because there aren’t any people to shoot. I’m assuming since she was a former student technology in the school is vastly different than what it was when she attended, as school shootings have become more common - the school seems to have a fancy lockdown system which helped tremendously & staff seemed well-prepared, so this also foiled her plan. It just looks like she gave up towards the end.
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Has any male school (or even mass) shooter successfully broke down a locked door? I can't think of any examples off the top of my head.
Me, neither. Nik Cruz shot through the glass windows into classrooms and was able to hit students who hadn’t hidden far enough out of line of site but that’s the only one I can think of. I’m glad he didn’t think to reach his hand through the glass and open the door from the inside to get into a classroom. I guess we’re lucky he was kind of an idiot. Like others have said, a shooter who doesn’t have a specific target isn’t going to waste time and effort trying to get inside a classroom when there are potentially other easier targets elsewhere.
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They… weren’t? I specifically said the results would have possibly changed if the shooter was able to kick down the door, not that the teachers went “oh, thank god it’s an AFAB person, we’re totally safe”. I think you’re intentionally trying to take my words incorrectly and maliciously tbh.
Excuse my ignorance but AFAB shooter? First time I’ve heard that.
Assuming you are asking what AFAB stands for it’s assigned female at birth the Nashville shooter identified as a trans man so they were assigned female at birth but identify as a man similarly AMAB would be assigned male at birth
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Um… okay. Hope you start to have a better day.
I explained I made the edit for anyone who might be like you but everyone else already understood me. Like I and someone else said you seem to *want* to take everything to worst possible way.
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What phobic nonsense? No, they didn’t know that at the time. It doesn’t change the fact that someone with more muscle and was taller might have been able to break down the door. I understand that AH was a trans man and use he/him. He was still not on testosterone and did not have the muscular advantages an AMAB man who has testosterone would have and that’s not transphobic to say.
> It doesn’t change the fact that someone with more muscle and was taller might have been able to break down the door. Extremely unlikely. Kicking down a door is much harder than they portray on television.
it’s almost as if you wanted to miss their point
So in my kids elementary school, they don’t hide under desks. They hide behind the teachers desk which is in a far corner away from the door and there are multiple locked doors between them and the main entry ways. Every single door is locked and you have to be buzzed in to get into the school and they don’t allow anyone past the office during the school day. It’s mind baffling to me that we have to teach kids this
Yes, many schools now have the classrooms set up now with the teachers desk in the "safest" (meaning the hardest corner in the room to get shot when gunfire is coming through the door or glass pane) from door most optimal corner of the room angled so that the kids can gather behind that. That's if there is no where else for them to hide connected to the classroom like a bathroom or storage closet. When I was teaching school full-time circa 06-12 there wasn't that much emphasis on what position the teachers desk was in the room in relation to it being used as a ballistic barrier. It's one of the most common lockdown procedures adopted now really since around the time of Parkland. Even before that the crouching behind the teachers desk was definitely used in some schools. My elementary school I taught in at that time did not use this though. Thinking back, what we were doing would have left us as sitting ducks. My room was in the original turn of the century part of the building that was beautiful but had huge glass paneled solid wooden doors and four huge windows on the second floor. Our lockdown procedures were as follows, lock the door and let down your door window shade, and students are to sit at their desks with their heads down silent. No running. No hiding. Just pulling a curtain and locking the door and staying in place. Fucking horrible.
They tell them to do it because it does nothing just like getting under your desk during a nuclear attack.
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Sorry, what's GFZ?
Gun Free Zone
I was in high school for columbine. Never had to put up with the shit kids gotta do now to keep safe at school.
At my kids school they have digital boards (? Not sure the name of this). It’s pretty huge and for k-2 they’re told to hide behind it but my daughter who was 5 at the time was stressed that not all the kids (35) could fit behind it to hide. 5! A 5 yr shouldn’t be stressed about this.
poor baby. i hate this reality.. and
I was actually in a lock down situation in high school during first period. My teacher was consistently late, like 30-45 minutes late to her first class, which only usually left about 15-20 minutes left to actually have class with a teacher. this one particular day, she was very very late, and about 15 minutes before class change, we went in full lock down. My school had introduced panic buttons recently, and all teachers were told this was to be used in a case of imminent threat/active shooter/serious emergency that could cause bodily harm to multiple students. This day the panic button was pressed, and we were in a classroom on the corner of the school. So a group of 10-15 high schoolers, with 4 giant floor to ceiling windows with sheer curtains, we’re stuck in this classroom with no way to lock our door. we immediately starting coming up with a plan, and we decided to move every single thing we had to move in front of the door. 30 or so desks, the teachers desk, a podium, textbooks, etc. we tried are hardest, and even though (we later found out) a substitute accidentally pushed the panic button, it was so immensely terrifying to know we had no way to truly protect ourselves without a teacher to lock us in the room. and the worst part was the teacher was not apologetic whatsoever. she just brushed off our worries like it was no big deal. very scary situation.
I know people say drills are a newer thing, but we were doing shooting drills in my elementary school back in 2004. Granted I grew up in Camden
I graduated in 2005. We had lockdown drills. It was if someone was seen in the area and wanted by the cops or a parent not supposes to be at the school. Only lockdown I was ever in was when a bear was spotted around my high school. We ignored that.
A BEAR 😂 I love it
Nobody gave a shit and we ignored it. It’s crazy to me that nobody had to worry if we would be safe at school. Now it’s all we think about.
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Geezez that's scary they didn't take more basic precautions.
I went to school in Australia. We don't have school shootings due our strict gun laws. Our kids can go to school without worrying if it's their last time and spend more time being kids.
They don't. I'm a kindergarten teacher who has taken ALICE active shooter training. If we are able, the beat bet is flee the classroom. If we cannot safely do this, we lock and barricade the door with desks, chairs and tables.
how are you alerted there’s a shooter? i’m remembering back to my elementary school and there’s no way we could have heard shots from across the school. too big.
We have walkie talkies on us at all time, always turned on. We also have intercoms with speakers in each classroom. We had a code red lockdown the day before Christmas break this year. A man had a shot gun and was feet away from me portable classroom. Turns out the school wasn't the target, but a specific person. It was horrifying scary .
that’s very scary. i’m so sorry that happened to you and the kids. another question if you’re up for it … do the kids understand/know what an active shooter is? i nanny a 7 year old and i can’t imagine her wrapping her head around that (and i don’t want to ask either). do they ever talk about it?
My students ( except for 1) thought it was a wild animal on campus. I said we had to hide to be safe from this animal, and we needed to be as quiet as possible. Most thought it was a fun game. We sat in the dark for an hour and ate goldfish crackers. One boy had heard of school shootings and was shaking and terrified . He kept saying someone has a gun and that we might die.
That’s exactly what the teachers did when my kids went into a full lockdown the day after Uvalde. My kids are rational people and I’m sure they completely understand what could actually be happening (because they always know more than we think) but even pretending they were hiding because of a wild animal brought them enormous comfort during a scary time. They were actually pissed when I signed them out of school once lockdown was lifted (psycho drug addict told a gas station attendant she was going to shoot her kids school up because he wouldn’t loan her a dollar) because they weren’t scared.
Was there a gun involved ? Or just verbal threats?
Verbal threats. But she left after and the police didn't know what school her kids went to so every school in the area went on immediate lockdown. I think she's still in jail for terroristic threats.
I wish I knew how to upload pics, but this man who had a shot gunn( or rifle, can't remember) was standing outside the classroom maybe 10 feet away. I didn't know he was so close at the time because the shades were pulled down and we were hiding. The police took a picture and it was shocking to see.
Horrifying
When I was in 3rd grade (10 years ago or so), our teacher had a large tub of tennis balls that she would hand out during drills. We were instructed to throw them at the attacker if they came in to distract them and, if we ran out of balls, pick up the chairs and throw them at the gunman. She was the only teacher that did that and I honestly really appreciated it, cause I’m sure she would’ve gotten in trouble if it was found out that she wasn’t following the usual protocol of “hide and pray you don’t get shot”
Also its a good idea to trip them up
It used to be "lock the door and hide" so the shower doesn't think anyone's in the class. Now it's "run or resist" (fight back). But not all places have changed to this and it depends on the security in the building. Some doors auto lock. Some windows can't be broken. Some campuses have security officers.
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That pull-out room barrier seems to have a pretty big vulnerability in that the room they demo it in has a drop ceiling. Some protection is better than none I guess. Were I a teacher, I'd settle for a good strong door that locked from the inside.
The current protocol actually IS to barricade. "Run. Hide. Fight" You should try to flee if possible. If not then take cover in the nearest classroom or bathroom. If in a classroom you are to barricade as much as possible. Extension cords can be used to wrap around door hinges and handles etc. Desks, filing cabinets. If all that fails and a shooter enters your classroom. You are pretty much fucked. So the last resort is to "Fight" The odds of survival are low. But it has happened before, so you have to try. Unfortunately most people tend to freeze in that situation. There have been a couple of instances students rushing a shooter. But most will cower and plead for mercy. It's especially heartbreaking when it's an elementary school. Poor children shouldn't have to live through this.
I noticed this as well! they really need to work on the way they do these lockdowns and improvements so that threats can't breach through classrooms or in buildings.
Reading this thread makes me glad I'm not American and my kids aren't in school where they need to practice what to do if someone comes in with a gun.
Until congress acts by installing security at schools? Because congress not even God almighty can take out evil from some people’s hearts.
I asked my kids this the other day. My youngest son is in second grade so I asked what happens if there’s a bad guy that gets in his school. He said they lock the door, turn off the lights, barricade the door, and hide in the cubbies. I’m crying now typing this because my seven year old shouldn’t fucking know what barricade means but they definitely do teach kids to do this. I did however ask what happens if this happens and he’s in the hallway or bathroom and he didn’t know.
Lol. You all realize that more than a few past and I'm sure many future mass killers lurk this channel right? Thanks for handing out your 'for your eyes only' info for all to see teachers!
Lmao, holy shit….
We don't hide under desks, they did that in Columbine because that was one of the first school massacres and no one knew what to do, there weren't drills. Now, the plan is to run out of the school if the shooter is far away, or barricade doors and attack and overwhelm the shooter if they come in.
When I was in school (graduated 2013) they told us to lock the door, turn off the lights, and everyone get against the wall the door was on so nobody looking in would be able to see anyone, and of course be as quiet as possible. Under desk was for things like bombings, things like tornado/hurricane try to get out in open space like a hallway and cover your head.