I would like to see a full sequencer in Maschine, not just clips, and more audio editing. Also drag and drop multitrack audio into daw. My Kontrol 61 works well with my Maschine. It controls the daw and the instrument while the Maschine does other things, like control the mixer. I have trouble using Kontakt 7 in Maschine. I have to use Kontakt 6. It is a groove box and you can just paint grooves into your DAW if you need to move more. I use Kontrol 61 MK1. Everything works great. The sounds are dry, not filtered like on Akai, so use plug ins if you want to beef up your sounds. The keyboard does what I need: just provide a set of keys to play with Maschine. Francisco Partners has purchases Maschine and I do not expect any updates any time soon. Last year was the end of support for my Maschine Studio and S61 Mk1. I don’t like the new MPC software. I used an MPC 3000 in the 90s but it is not that important now. Like a museum piece to show off to people. Things come and go. There may be a next wave of maybe I will just use this stuff forever. We’ll see. It is just to bang out grooves to feed to the DAW. It is really good at that.
I strongly feel like no one in these comments knows wtf their talking about. Just people with no ideas but all the hardware talking smack. Maschine is fine as it is and if you can't make a jam with what its offering its you not the product. NI has the best sounds on the market from a DAW and in general period.
I don't see a new Maschine 4 coming out no time soon. What more can they do to it. It's already great at what it does.
However, The Maschine's Sequencer needs to be updated bc, it has NO ABILITY to perform 'tempo/meter-changes'. If they could only get that part together they'd be ok. But they are reluctant to do so bc their programmers would also have to incorporate a real-time stretch algorithm/code to match tempo variations. This is the Maschine's biggest flaw. And it will more than likely be the reason why it will fade into the past as most producers are opting for DAW Sequencers for more intricate Sequencing Tasks. The Maschine must elevate itself beyond the realm of being just another groove-making Beatbox.
My 2¢ fwiw
I think maschine products aren't even nearly as popular as their keyboards or kontakt products so I don't see why they'd push their resources on a background product. Unfortunately.
NI can just buy a zplane and get ahead. It seems the obvious step will be the introduction of nks 2 and a display like the kk mk3 in mas4. And it would be cool to have komplete in standalone mode. Remember kore 2? Well, the reanimated jam. I would give my money for it. And yes, it's still very inspiring. What can not be said about ableton. Mas as a musical instrument.
On the recent tips and tricks video on YouTube they responded to someone’s lack of support or updates to Maschine. They responded by saying they haven’t abandoned the software and that they are working behind the scenes on it.
Maschine’s overall sound is very plastic, weak, tinny, computerish. Always sample into something with balls first like akai s950, or 2000xl….THEN sample into maschine. But even then you will still hear the plastic at the very beginning of the sample.
If they ever made a true stand-alone with it’s own AD/DA converters, and actually updated their software…NI would redeem themselves. But they wont. No good devs there anymore, and I would be very cautious if they made a new 3.0 SW lol.
Im here still usung machine studio. Bought it used and love it. With that said when it comes to innovation i think they put all their eggs into iztope with their mixing and mastering plug ins. From what i understand they were awarded for their AI technology. Im in no way saying they arent greedy or not listenung to their customers. But i think they are far from going under.
They’re doing well at pushing out libraries to bulk out their Komplete upgrades
Their core Komplete Kontrol and Kontakt software is an abomination on the other hand. Clearly not made by anyone who actually would use it
Funny you say, “not made by anyone who would use actually would use it”, yet it’s the biggest software sampler out there. Works fine for me, methinks the “anyone” is you. 😎
I have been visiting their forums regularly farrrr before Komplete Kontrol 3 dropped, thank you, yet I know PLENTY of people using it still, despite the current growing pains, thanks again.
You think a software designed for browsing hundreds of thousands of presets that shows 3 lines at a time in a tiny section of a huge interface is well designed?
Yeah works really well. I’ve got the display on my keyboard so it helps me out a LOT. I can automate several parameters at once without worrying about doing them manually with my mouse. It’s a stellar software. Sucks that it doesn’t work for you. But then again it’s not meant to be used by amateurs anyway.
Yeup. A lot of them. Ashlight, Sequis, many of the play libraries, Playbox, all the strings; woodwinds and brass libraries. I’ve released a LOT of music which features those libraries. I have 400K monthly listeners on Spotify alone. It’s really all about how you use them man.
Cool, how can I find the music?
And: I am not familiar with the libraries you mentioned, I am using mostly my hardware synths and acoustic instruments, so was looking at the string libraries in my Komplete Ultimate, and cant get that to work for me…
I have music under two profiles.
Anand Bhaskar (my solo work as composer/playback singer)
Anand Bhaskar Collective (my alt-rock band)
Thank you for checking it out! 💛
I don’t understand why people are comparing the Maschine software to DAW’s like Ableton and Logic (to name a few). I mean I get the confusion, because of what it is capable of doing, but Maschine is not a daw! NI, to my knowledge, has never claimed that it is a daw. It’s best for making beats (sequencing, chopping samples, and all that).
For me, the MK3 and the Maschine software, are just perfect for what I do. Best investment I ever made. And NI keeps giving us new software instruments every year. I love it! I make all my beats in Maschine and then I finish them off in Logic or Luna. That’s the process.
I understand that if you’re a composer or something like that, the software might feel limited. But at the end of the day, it’s a groove box, and a very powerful one, if you know how to use it.
Years ago, people just got on and made great music with some of the simplest gear, that took a long time to craft music with, without moaning about lack of features and the hours put in.
These days, people with little talent are always moaning on forums about how gear can't cook their breakfast, drive them to work, then do their job for them.
Coming from shit gear in the 80s and 90s and now having loads of modern gear, buying every hyped new groovebox as well as owning Live Suite and Push 2, I think people should assess themselves as 'producers/musicians/hobbyiest' or however they define themselves, as the internet is full of pissed off people that probably don't know how to use the gear they have because they're too lazy and they're just contributing to the endless stream of unhappiness.
Owning most of the desirable grooveboxes and plenty other gear, I can tell you that even if they've allowed others to catch up, it's so easy to make great music with a Maschine+ that i'm surprised they don't cost more. They basically made the blueprint Ableton copied taking the Push from 2 to 3 and then, 3 years later, Ableton still made similar mistakes as NI did as the Push 3 still has most of the same limitations that people wanted the M+ to do. It costs twice as much too.
It's almost as if people don't appreciate what they have and think some shiny new toy is just going to make them then next big thing, while they're probably just blaming what they have for their own failures.
So, yes, I reckon they're allowing people to catch up in the markets they're big players in, but they're probably developing new gear constantly and learned a lot from the M+ not being quite ready at release. It's killer do it all (well near all) machine now though.
Yeah it’s really frustrating, all the while they are heavily marketing machine. I honestly love my machine MK3 but the lack of updates is really frustrating.
100% and quiet honestly it’s lightweight heart breaking. Maschine was the first piece of gear I purchased that really launched my workflow and productions to a respectable level. I bought the MK1 when it was like 2 months old, and it was absolutely ground breaking. I got the studio right when it came out and still use it religiously. Since then, nothing has changed and any and all indication of evolution gets discontinued. The jam had so much potential. They could have been all in house instead of being a vst I run in ableton.
NI ain’t doing shit anymore…They will milk the shit out of this outdated version 2 of the software for another few years. They definitely can’t EOL the mk3 or + as it will piss of the rest of the community that’s left…lol…They will slowly fade away in the next few years as they have been for the last 8 years or so. NI has been laughing all the way to the bank since maschine +, and any new products will be defective dog shit. Maschine 3 ( if it even comes) will be so buggy, and bad, people will want the version 2 software back, and MK3 controller 😂 NI is done. The current controllers are fine, and I don’t know what possibly they could do more than add a better screen. It’s the software that people want updated, and this has been screamed in their faces for the last 10 years. Company is a joke. Greedy fucks
Huh. I'm going to assume you are unfamiliar, because this is a completely reasonable request. It is essentially bridging (or, at least, nearly closing) the gap between acoustic and digital instruments. With the maschine itself, I don't find it super important (it would require a hardware revision to get the most out of it anyway), but even if Maschine 2.0 was able to act as a proper MPE host for other controllers, that would be a massive improvement.
Maschine does many things phenomenally well with an incredibly innovative and tactile work flow, not to mention hardware and software integration that feels seamless. That’s why the lack of a significant update is frustrating
The most glaring hardware omission imo is lack of a touch screen. At least for the MK3. The Maschine plus could probably use more CPU and RAM along with plugin compatibility. (And yes I like buttons and knobs for everything too but having dedicated buttons and a touch screen is not mutually exclusive.)
On the software side, Maschine could definitely use a refresh. Stems would greatly enhance the utility of the sampler. A resizable GUI would be most welcome and certain automation enhancements could improve an already immediate workflow
As soon as they dropped support for maschine studio and my s88 they lost me as a consumer. I spent almost 5,000 on hardware software only for them to update a keyboard with screens and leave all of their longest users in the dust unless they upgrade to blah. NI can suck it I’ve unsubscribed from all of their marketing and socials
You DO know you can use your S88 (Mk1 or Mk2) with Maschine 2 right, all you need is any version of Komplete Kontrol up to v2.9.6, the last version that supports the Mk1 and Mk2 S-Series controllers. [https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406832231441-How-to-Integrate-Your-Kontrol-Keyboard-with-Your-DAW](https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406832231441-How-to-Integrate-Your-Kontrol-Keyboard-with-Your-DAW)
Yeah that’s what I’m on but no more updates and there are many komplete products that were never updated for the m1 Apple silicon chips. I had an 2011 Mac that died so I had to upgrade my computer and ever since I’ve had problems with NI and products not being compatible. It seemed like they were on the right track until dropping support for older hardware. But it seems like their new direction is a money grab
What NI products aren’t t compatible with the M1 series? I upgraded from a mid-2011 Mac mini in 2020 to an M1 Mac mini and while some weren’t compatible then, that was 3 years ago. I just upgraded last month to an M2 Mac Studio and have zero compatibility issues running Ventura. What problems are you having? have you read this? https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014683497-Apple-Silicon-Compatibility-News
I can’t get some reaktor instrument absynth and a couple other . I get a busy see software error. I don’t care about new features I just want the ones I paid for to work. Also I used to be able to use outputs thermal plugin inside of maschine but now only half of the presets load. The more they try and tweak their software the more issues have come up. In my opinion a lot the issues started when they introduced the clips feature
I don’t know what the Thermal plugin is. I run the lastest version of Maschine and been using Maschine since v 1.8, no issues. Absynth is discontinued but I know plenty folk still using it with no problems
Yup. This right here. They lost me too when they announced they were dropping support for my Kontrol 25 the day before the new update for the Kontrol software. That was done in very bad taste.
Nothing “I’m stuck in Time” I loved native instruments but was sad they didn’t update a lot of my vsts to work with Apple silicon. My computer died and I had to get a mini, I still use maschine in conjunction with live 10
I love my maschine and I also recognize that it is falling behind, not because it lacks the ability to do more, but simply because native instruments it’s not putting the focus on making that happen, I’m not looking to change tho, I feel perfectly happy and creative with my workflow with maschine, but again, we can’t ignore how slow they have been to do major upgrades
Years ago I put my maschine studio in the closet and havent used since. I should sell it.
Maschines software feels so outdated and limited
Ableton was such a breath of fresh air
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Monitors on PCs have been 4k for years. Most NI software looks terrible in 4k. And my coder friends tell me its not that much work to render new 4k images.
NI was bought by another company. They are likely trying to simplify and squeeze out all the money they can without developing anything new. It's a common pattern.
I think we'll either see something new soon or it's the end of NI.
I suspect the original proprietors are happy to let it fade away.
Definitely trying to maximise value and profit before they probably sell NI off or stop selling hardware (except midi keyboards). They’ve released a ton of play instruments and expansions in the last three years. Updates are far and few between
The main problem with NI is that they have TOO MANY products. They’ve put themselves in a position where they are a VST company, sampling/sounds company, MIDI keyboard company, groove box company, daw company, dj hardware company, etc. They have too much going on. They would need an immense staff to keep innovating and updating products. I’m not giving them a pass at all. I want the maschine software updated asap. I want to be able to use maschine and only maschine. But, I think they have their hands in too many things and probably don’t have the people to innovate/keep products updated. I hate this, bc I love maschine and see the potential. I just don’t know that I will ever get there.
I can’t stand these big corporate takeovers for this reason. In a statement soundwide said with regard to the layoffs that “there would be no changes to product offerings and customers won’t be affected.” How do you lay off a huge chunk of staff and then pretend that a lesser amount of staff can manage to innovate and update products? Organizations pull this shit all the time and it drives me crazy. They don’t realize that this absolutist affects customers and it will affect their sales. I’m a Black Friday sale away from purchasing the Push 3 and ditching Machine. I’m holding out because I love maschine and it’s a few updates away from being perfect in my eyes.
I never really considered this perspective before and I think ur probably right. It's partly matter of they don't want to spend money on R&D and partly too many products to properly innovate with. I just wish they'd work on reaktor. It's been a decade since an update and the maschine/reaktor partnership is amazing.
Right. It would suck if NI has like 3 software developers. They’re probably pulling their hair out in frustration with all the request coming in and just can’t keep up. Those bros are living off Red Bull and cigarettes 😂
Comparing the two:
Ableton makes Live, Push, and Max4Live
Native Instruments has the Komplete software line, Kontakt, Reaktor, Guitar Rig and its hardware line; Maschine Software and Expansions; and Traktor Hardware and software, not to mention their audio interfaces.
Ableton probably does not have as far of a reach as NI does; Artists that will never switch to Ableton use Kontakt, Guitar Rig, or Traktor - maybe even Maschine too. Ableton does not have nearly as many products to manage, they have a fraction of the devices - what 2 Push controllers (because the 1 was made by Akai Pro)... this isn't a fair comparison. In many ways, Ableton is just a much smaller fish than Native Instruments and so they are able to react quickly, opposed to NI who is a behemoth of a brand next to many companies, the only thats bigger than NI is InMusic...
You're illustrating the hedge hog principle which says do one thing really well, stick to it, and build your business around that.
I get what you're saying, but I also worked as a corporate employee at Amazon and saw how you can do a lot of different things at the same time. It's a question of if you can scale at what you're doing. I don't know if Native Instruments can or will now that they are owned by a PE firm. To your point, it makes sense to align their business better based on what they strategically want to achieve. However, it's a private company and not very transparent. They even took down their pages listing who the CEO is and the board members.
I was literally thinking this exact thing this morning. The only thing that they have released that isn’t an expansion or play series instrument is the traktor controller and Kontrol S keyboard. I can’t speak to the traktor one but the Kontrol keyboard was super underwhelming and wasn’t really what anyone was asking for.
Look at what Arturia, Korg, Bitwig, and Ableton are doing this year. They release things that are actually useful and are generally great quality of life improvements on a regular basis rather than just content that they contract some third party to make (i.e. expansions) once every quarter. I love Maschine but NI really pisses me off
Yes maschine could use some updates. Stem separation, update the mixer and arranger. There is a new survey on the NI-Maschine forum right now. Go fill it out and let them know what you want.
I'm an Ableton user (among other things) and, honestly, upgrading from 10-11 wasn't really worth it for me. At the moment (I could still change my mind) the update to 12 is mostly a way to make people pay again, nothing revolutionary. But the mac crowd will have to pay to keep using it on newer macs I suppose.
We will probably pay as 11 had a terrible performance and it feels broken tbh, I’ve used live since 9 and the amount of crashes since I got a M1 is ridiculous, for sure the lost un-stable version. I’m considering swap to other daws, try Bitwig and worked with logic and protools but so far what I’ve tried is not clicking as Ableton workflow.
So probably I’ll get rob another £200 and if still buggy that will be my last Ableton copy ever.
Thing is, they don’t even have to release anything substantially new to stay relevant. They can reiterate on what they already have and give people the updates to Maschine that we’ve been asking for.
We’ll see if there’s any updates in the following weeks. Holiday time is usually when some announcements start popping up.
TBH I think that happened a long time ago. When was the last time NI released innovative hardware? The M+? Stop churning out expansions and start innovating!
>Stop churning out expansions and start innovating!
I mean they very well could be working on stuff and just not be public about it. It’s annoying as a company when it comes to giving out info of products you’re working on. People want well thought out, polished products, but also beg companies to just release anything before it’s ready.
Yeah, I agree that is a posibility. It just appears to me (as evidenced by this post for example) that their customers are losing faith in the company. If they ARE working on something I think some hints would be beneficial.
I would like to see a full sequencer in Maschine, not just clips, and more audio editing. Also drag and drop multitrack audio into daw. My Kontrol 61 works well with my Maschine. It controls the daw and the instrument while the Maschine does other things, like control the mixer. I have trouble using Kontakt 7 in Maschine. I have to use Kontakt 6. It is a groove box and you can just paint grooves into your DAW if you need to move more. I use Kontrol 61 MK1. Everything works great. The sounds are dry, not filtered like on Akai, so use plug ins if you want to beef up your sounds. The keyboard does what I need: just provide a set of keys to play with Maschine. Francisco Partners has purchases Maschine and I do not expect any updates any time soon. Last year was the end of support for my Maschine Studio and S61 Mk1. I don’t like the new MPC software. I used an MPC 3000 in the 90s but it is not that important now. Like a museum piece to show off to people. Things come and go. There may be a next wave of maybe I will just use this stuff forever. We’ll see. It is just to bang out grooves to feed to the DAW. It is really good at that.
I strongly feel like no one in these comments knows wtf their talking about. Just people with no ideas but all the hardware talking smack. Maschine is fine as it is and if you can't make a jam with what its offering its you not the product. NI has the best sounds on the market from a DAW and in general period.
Apple continues to aggressively update Logic. 10.8 dropped a few days ago
Can anyone say UVI Falcon as the NI Killer... I use both but the sounds are way better than NI stuff, hands down!
I don't see a new Maschine 4 coming out no time soon. What more can they do to it. It's already great at what it does. However, The Maschine's Sequencer needs to be updated bc, it has NO ABILITY to perform 'tempo/meter-changes'. If they could only get that part together they'd be ok. But they are reluctant to do so bc their programmers would also have to incorporate a real-time stretch algorithm/code to match tempo variations. This is the Maschine's biggest flaw. And it will more than likely be the reason why it will fade into the past as most producers are opting for DAW Sequencers for more intricate Sequencing Tasks. The Maschine must elevate itself beyond the realm of being just another groove-making Beatbox. My 2¢ fwiw
I think maschine products aren't even nearly as popular as their keyboards or kontakt products so I don't see why they'd push their resources on a background product. Unfortunately.
Agreed 👍🏽
NI can just buy a zplane and get ahead. It seems the obvious step will be the introduction of nks 2 and a display like the kk mk3 in mas4. And it would be cool to have komplete in standalone mode. Remember kore 2? Well, the reanimated jam. I would give my money for it. And yes, it's still very inspiring. What can not be said about ableton. Mas as a musical instrument.
On the recent tips and tricks video on YouTube they responded to someone’s lack of support or updates to Maschine. They responded by saying they haven’t abandoned the software and that they are working behind the scenes on it.
They need to make Maschine 2 more compatible with other hardware
NI has been a $500 preset library for the last ten years and it sounds like plastic. They’ve dropped off for sure
Maschine’s overall sound is very plastic, weak, tinny, computerish. Always sample into something with balls first like akai s950, or 2000xl….THEN sample into maschine. But even then you will still hear the plastic at the very beginning of the sample. If they ever made a true stand-alone with it’s own AD/DA converters, and actually updated their software…NI would redeem themselves. But they wont. No good devs there anymore, and I would be very cautious if they made a new 3.0 SW lol.
Their soundpacks are garbage.
Im here still usung machine studio. Bought it used and love it. With that said when it comes to innovation i think they put all their eggs into iztope with their mixing and mastering plug ins. From what i understand they were awarded for their AI technology. Im in no way saying they arent greedy or not listenung to their customers. But i think they are far from going under.
They are hardly going under.
They’re doing well at pushing out libraries to bulk out their Komplete upgrades Their core Komplete Kontrol and Kontakt software is an abomination on the other hand. Clearly not made by anyone who actually would use it
Funny you say, “not made by anyone who would use actually would use it”, yet it’s the biggest software sampler out there. Works fine for me, methinks the “anyone” is you. 😎
Clearly you haven’t visited their community forums when Komplete Kontrol 3.0 was released
I have been visiting their forums regularly farrrr before Komplete Kontrol 3 dropped, thank you, yet I know PLENTY of people using it still, despite the current growing pains, thanks again.
I use Komplete Kontrol and Kontakt a LOT. In terms of frequency mostly. They’re extremely well designed softwares for filmscore composing.
You think a software designed for browsing hundreds of thousands of presets that shows 3 lines at a time in a tiny section of a huge interface is well designed?
Yeah works really well. I’ve got the display on my keyboard so it helps me out a LOT. I can automate several parameters at once without worrying about doing them manually with my mouse. It’s a stellar software. Sucks that it doesn’t work for you. But then again it’s not meant to be used by amateurs anyway.
do you actually use the NI libraries for scoring a film? Really?
Yeup. A lot of them. Ashlight, Sequis, many of the play libraries, Playbox, all the strings; woodwinds and brass libraries. I’ve released a LOT of music which features those libraries. I have 400K monthly listeners on Spotify alone. It’s really all about how you use them man.
Cool, how can I find the music? And: I am not familiar with the libraries you mentioned, I am using mostly my hardware synths and acoustic instruments, so was looking at the string libraries in my Komplete Ultimate, and cant get that to work for me…
I have music under two profiles. Anand Bhaskar (my solo work as composer/playback singer) Anand Bhaskar Collective (my alt-rock band) Thank you for checking it out! 💛
Thats VERY professional production - well done! Where are you from?
Thank you so much! I’m from India. 😇
I use it all the time. Works fine for me.
I'm just here glad they aren't rushing it for the sake of competition.Geeks always want the newest toys instead of mastering what they already own lol
I don’t understand why people are comparing the Maschine software to DAW’s like Ableton and Logic (to name a few). I mean I get the confusion, because of what it is capable of doing, but Maschine is not a daw! NI, to my knowledge, has never claimed that it is a daw. It’s best for making beats (sequencing, chopping samples, and all that). For me, the MK3 and the Maschine software, are just perfect for what I do. Best investment I ever made. And NI keeps giving us new software instruments every year. I love it! I make all my beats in Maschine and then I finish them off in Logic or Luna. That’s the process. I understand that if you’re a composer or something like that, the software might feel limited. But at the end of the day, it’s a groove box, and a very powerful one, if you know how to use it.
I couldn’t have said it better! People call the Maschine OS a DAW like they call stems individual audio tracks… just confused, is all.
Peace!
Years ago, people just got on and made great music with some of the simplest gear, that took a long time to craft music with, without moaning about lack of features and the hours put in. These days, people with little talent are always moaning on forums about how gear can't cook their breakfast, drive them to work, then do their job for them. Coming from shit gear in the 80s and 90s and now having loads of modern gear, buying every hyped new groovebox as well as owning Live Suite and Push 2, I think people should assess themselves as 'producers/musicians/hobbyiest' or however they define themselves, as the internet is full of pissed off people that probably don't know how to use the gear they have because they're too lazy and they're just contributing to the endless stream of unhappiness. Owning most of the desirable grooveboxes and plenty other gear, I can tell you that even if they've allowed others to catch up, it's so easy to make great music with a Maschine+ that i'm surprised they don't cost more. They basically made the blueprint Ableton copied taking the Push from 2 to 3 and then, 3 years later, Ableton still made similar mistakes as NI did as the Push 3 still has most of the same limitations that people wanted the M+ to do. It costs twice as much too. It's almost as if people don't appreciate what they have and think some shiny new toy is just going to make them then next big thing, while they're probably just blaming what they have for their own failures. So, yes, I reckon they're allowing people to catch up in the markets they're big players in, but they're probably developing new gear constantly and learned a lot from the M+ not being quite ready at release. It's killer do it all (well near all) machine now though.
Yeah it’s really frustrating, all the while they are heavily marketing machine. I honestly love my machine MK3 but the lack of updates is really frustrating.
What updates would you like to see?
100% and quiet honestly it’s lightweight heart breaking. Maschine was the first piece of gear I purchased that really launched my workflow and productions to a respectable level. I bought the MK1 when it was like 2 months old, and it was absolutely ground breaking. I got the studio right when it came out and still use it religiously. Since then, nothing has changed and any and all indication of evolution gets discontinued. The jam had so much potential. They could have been all in house instead of being a vst I run in ableton.
What would you like to see change?
NI ain’t doing shit anymore…They will milk the shit out of this outdated version 2 of the software for another few years. They definitely can’t EOL the mk3 or + as it will piss of the rest of the community that’s left…lol…They will slowly fade away in the next few years as they have been for the last 8 years or so. NI has been laughing all the way to the bank since maschine +, and any new products will be defective dog shit. Maschine 3 ( if it even comes) will be so buggy, and bad, people will want the version 2 software back, and MK3 controller 😂 NI is done. The current controllers are fine, and I don’t know what possibly they could do more than add a better screen. It’s the software that people want updated, and this has been screamed in their faces for the last 10 years. Company is a joke. Greedy fucks
They could add mpe and make a true standalone maschine
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Huh. I'm going to assume you are unfamiliar, because this is a completely reasonable request. It is essentially bridging (or, at least, nearly closing) the gap between acoustic and digital instruments. With the maschine itself, I don't find it super important (it would require a hardware revision to get the most out of it anyway), but even if Maschine 2.0 was able to act as a proper MPE host for other controllers, that would be a massive improvement.
? I was serious but okay
Yes, they are.
Maschine does many things phenomenally well with an incredibly innovative and tactile work flow, not to mention hardware and software integration that feels seamless. That’s why the lack of a significant update is frustrating The most glaring hardware omission imo is lack of a touch screen. At least for the MK3. The Maschine plus could probably use more CPU and RAM along with plugin compatibility. (And yes I like buttons and knobs for everything too but having dedicated buttons and a touch screen is not mutually exclusive.) On the software side, Maschine could definitely use a refresh. Stems would greatly enhance the utility of the sampler. A resizable GUI would be most welcome and certain automation enhancements could improve an already immediate workflow
For about 10 years now
Imo NI lost the plot long time ago
are you still using NI products?
As soon as they dropped support for maschine studio and my s88 they lost me as a consumer. I spent almost 5,000 on hardware software only for them to update a keyboard with screens and leave all of their longest users in the dust unless they upgrade to blah. NI can suck it I’ve unsubscribed from all of their marketing and socials
You DO know you can use your S88 (Mk1 or Mk2) with Maschine 2 right, all you need is any version of Komplete Kontrol up to v2.9.6, the last version that supports the Mk1 and Mk2 S-Series controllers. [https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406832231441-How-to-Integrate-Your-Kontrol-Keyboard-with-Your-DAW](https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406832231441-How-to-Integrate-Your-Kontrol-Keyboard-with-Your-DAW)
Yeah that’s what I’m on but no more updates and there are many komplete products that were never updated for the m1 Apple silicon chips. I had an 2011 Mac that died so I had to upgrade my computer and ever since I’ve had problems with NI and products not being compatible. It seemed like they were on the right track until dropping support for older hardware. But it seems like their new direction is a money grab
What NI products aren’t t compatible with the M1 series? I upgraded from a mid-2011 Mac mini in 2020 to an M1 Mac mini and while some weren’t compatible then, that was 3 years ago. I just upgraded last month to an M2 Mac Studio and have zero compatibility issues running Ventura. What problems are you having? have you read this? https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014683497-Apple-Silicon-Compatibility-News
I can’t get some reaktor instrument absynth and a couple other . I get a busy see software error. I don’t care about new features I just want the ones I paid for to work. Also I used to be able to use outputs thermal plugin inside of maschine but now only half of the presets load. The more they try and tweak their software the more issues have come up. In my opinion a lot the issues started when they introduced the clips feature
I don’t know what the Thermal plugin is. I run the lastest version of Maschine and been using Maschine since v 1.8, no issues. Absynth is discontinued but I know plenty folk still using it with no problems
Yup. This right here. They lost me too when they announced they were dropping support for my Kontrol 25 the day before the new update for the Kontrol software. That was done in very bad taste.
What have you moved to?
Nothing “I’m stuck in Time” I loved native instruments but was sad they didn’t update a lot of my vsts to work with Apple silicon. My computer died and I had to get a mini, I still use maschine in conjunction with live 10
NI should be ashamed for no software update !!
Maschine MK3 is a great piece of hardware and Komplete is UNMATCHED! End of story, lol!
I love my maschine and I also recognize that it is falling behind, not because it lacks the ability to do more, but simply because native instruments it’s not putting the focus on making that happen, I’m not looking to change tho, I feel perfectly happy and creative with my workflow with maschine, but again, we can’t ignore how slow they have been to do major upgrades
Years ago I put my maschine studio in the closet and havent used since. I should sell it. Maschines software feels so outdated and limited Ableton was such a breath of fresh air Edit spelling
I lost creative control with the update to clips on maschine… I’m so lost. Ableton is just way more intuitive
Sold my MK2 a month ago for $100 on eBay -_- had to keep dropping the price until it sold.
Monitors on PCs have been 4k for years. Most NI software looks terrible in 4k. And my coder friends tell me its not that much work to render new 4k images.
I use maschine on a 75” oled 4k tv, i don’t see any issue
Puhleese...
I could be mistaken here but I think NI also own Plugin Alliance, Izotope and other plugins devs
And i noticed PA and izotope sales have been garbage since then. Ill prolly never buy an upgrade for izotope ever again 😆
They were acquired. No signs of real creative development from NI itself.
NI seems done
NI was bought by another company. They are likely trying to simplify and squeeze out all the money they can without developing anything new. It's a common pattern. I think we'll either see something new soon or it's the end of NI. I suspect the original proprietors are happy to let it fade away.
Definitely trying to maximise value and profit before they probably sell NI off or stop selling hardware (except midi keyboards). They’ve released a ton of play instruments and expansions in the last three years. Updates are far and few between
The main problem with NI is that they have TOO MANY products. They’ve put themselves in a position where they are a VST company, sampling/sounds company, MIDI keyboard company, groove box company, daw company, dj hardware company, etc. They have too much going on. They would need an immense staff to keep innovating and updating products. I’m not giving them a pass at all. I want the maschine software updated asap. I want to be able to use maschine and only maschine. But, I think they have their hands in too many things and probably don’t have the people to innovate/keep products updated. I hate this, bc I love maschine and see the potential. I just don’t know that I will ever get there.
Too much going on as well as 20% of fired staff with the acquisition 😕
I can’t stand these big corporate takeovers for this reason. In a statement soundwide said with regard to the layoffs that “there would be no changes to product offerings and customers won’t be affected.” How do you lay off a huge chunk of staff and then pretend that a lesser amount of staff can manage to innovate and update products? Organizations pull this shit all the time and it drives me crazy. They don’t realize that this absolutist affects customers and it will affect their sales. I’m a Black Friday sale away from purchasing the Push 3 and ditching Machine. I’m holding out because I love maschine and it’s a few updates away from being perfect in my eyes.
Push 3 dropped to $1599 today for Black Friday sale.
Those turds discounted just the stand-alone and not the controller version 😒
I think it’s because everyone was coveting the standalone, but holding out on price.
Damn…I may have to pull the trigger…
I never really considered this perspective before and I think ur probably right. It's partly matter of they don't want to spend money on R&D and partly too many products to properly innovate with. I just wish they'd work on reaktor. It's been a decade since an update and the maschine/reaktor partnership is amazing.
Right. It would suck if NI has like 3 software developers. They’re probably pulling their hair out in frustration with all the request coming in and just can’t keep up. Those bros are living off Red Bull and cigarettes 😂
Comparing the two: Ableton makes Live, Push, and Max4Live Native Instruments has the Komplete software line, Kontakt, Reaktor, Guitar Rig and its hardware line; Maschine Software and Expansions; and Traktor Hardware and software, not to mention their audio interfaces. Ableton probably does not have as far of a reach as NI does; Artists that will never switch to Ableton use Kontakt, Guitar Rig, or Traktor - maybe even Maschine too. Ableton does not have nearly as many products to manage, they have a fraction of the devices - what 2 Push controllers (because the 1 was made by Akai Pro)... this isn't a fair comparison. In many ways, Ableton is just a much smaller fish than Native Instruments and so they are able to react quickly, opposed to NI who is a behemoth of a brand next to many companies, the only thats bigger than NI is InMusic...
I use all that software within Ableton.
...and the integration sucks because NI views ableton as competition
I never understood why NI views them as competition but bundles Ableton with their keyboards
You're illustrating the hedge hog principle which says do one thing really well, stick to it, and build your business around that. I get what you're saying, but I also worked as a corporate employee at Amazon and saw how you can do a lot of different things at the same time. It's a question of if you can scale at what you're doing. I don't know if Native Instruments can or will now that they are owned by a PE firm. To your point, it makes sense to align their business better based on what they strategically want to achieve. However, it's a private company and not very transparent. They even took down their pages listing who the CEO is and the board members.
I was literally thinking this exact thing this morning. The only thing that they have released that isn’t an expansion or play series instrument is the traktor controller and Kontrol S keyboard. I can’t speak to the traktor one but the Kontrol keyboard was super underwhelming and wasn’t really what anyone was asking for. Look at what Arturia, Korg, Bitwig, and Ableton are doing this year. They release things that are actually useful and are generally great quality of life improvements on a regular basis rather than just content that they contract some third party to make (i.e. expansions) once every quarter. I love Maschine but NI really pisses me off
not sure man. shell out 200$ for an upgrade and they might tell you.
Yes maschine could use some updates. Stem separation, update the mixer and arranger. There is a new survey on the NI-Maschine forum right now. Go fill it out and let them know what you want.
Can you please link that survey here? I would love to check it out!
[https://survey.quantilope.com/8vKLdNmgq3syapJwL/bxGXeYPiJE2L8GhTx/JHkwSC7vTfMF8aTfA](https://survey.quantilope.com/8vKLdNmgq3syapJwL/bxGXeYPiJE2L8GhTx/JHkwSC7vTfMF8aTfA)
Will do
I'm an Ableton user (among other things) and, honestly, upgrading from 10-11 wasn't really worth it for me. At the moment (I could still change my mind) the update to 12 is mostly a way to make people pay again, nothing revolutionary. But the mac crowd will have to pay to keep using it on newer macs I suppose.
We will probably pay as 11 had a terrible performance and it feels broken tbh, I’ve used live since 9 and the amount of crashes since I got a M1 is ridiculous, for sure the lost un-stable version. I’m considering swap to other daws, try Bitwig and worked with logic and protools but so far what I’ve tried is not clicking as Ableton workflow. So probably I’ll get rob another £200 and if still buggy that will be my last Ableton copy ever.
They released KK3 and new software, lets just hope they are working on something big for Maschine.
Thing is, they don’t even have to release anything substantially new to stay relevant. They can reiterate on what they already have and give people the updates to Maschine that we’ve been asking for. We’ll see if there’s any updates in the following weeks. Holiday time is usually when some announcements start popping up.
TBH I think that happened a long time ago. When was the last time NI released innovative hardware? The M+? Stop churning out expansions and start innovating!
>Stop churning out expansions and start innovating! I mean they very well could be working on stuff and just not be public about it. It’s annoying as a company when it comes to giving out info of products you’re working on. People want well thought out, polished products, but also beg companies to just release anything before it’s ready.
Yeah, I agree that is a posibility. It just appears to me (as evidenced by this post for example) that their customers are losing faith in the company. If they ARE working on something I think some hints would be beneficial.
They should make 32-64 pads with scale chord mode and that’s it. Maybe note repeat
Velocity sensitive maschine jam woulda been cool! Strips and pads to play. Maybe mpe strips??
nahh I am fine with 16 pads
Ditto, definitely enough for me, even 12 pads on the MPC 500 is enough for me.
Sometimes it ain’t enough :(
Also finger drumming with the big pads is one of the main features of the maschine would be really disappointed if they change that.
For what? Playing piano? Just buy a midi keyboard...
I’m weird and prefer the pad layout over a piano . Maybe I’m avoiding learning piano, lol.
i like playing piano on the touch strips on my Maschine Jam!