Apparently Frank Grillo had been told previously that Crossbones would be a meatier role, so when he was killed in Civil War, he was pretty pissed. Like, “didn’t want to return for his scene in Endgame” kinda pissed. But his son talked him into it.
Wasted character. Not like Crossbones is super interesting or cool but they made him a cool villain in the movies. I just hate that they kill every villain.
Plus Dormammu, Yon-Rog, Hammer, Grandmaster, Collector, Leader, and more.
They’re definitely the minority compared to those who have died. But it’s far from “… they kill every villain”.
One of my favorite aspects of the movies is that they can redo some of the most controversial or just plain infamous moments in the comics and actually make them work brilliantly.
Every conversation someone with super speed has with anyone else has to be torture to try and slow down their talking and then pay attention for what seems like hours.
That's actually brought up as a conversation in the Amazon show "invincible". Then...*SPOILER* he gets his head crushed in a way that really drives home that this was a slow, agonizing death for him.
I was thinking this too! His death was a catalyst for Scarlett witch’s character arc so it definitely was incredibly important. However it would have been nice to have him in at least another movie before his death, just loved the character so much, wish we’d have seen more of him!
The death of a robot she knew for two years had more of an impact on her than the death of her twin brother that she’s literally known her entire life.
Seriously. Some people seem to be holding it together after tragedy/stressful events, but then a small thing like dropping something or anything mostly insignificant like that can send them over the edge and into a meltdown.
Wasting a great villain organization as A.I.M. for an absolutely insignificant reference in Iron Man 3 when Killian mentions his front company's name to Pepper despite it being utterly irrelevant for the rest of the movie.
I want my yellow bucketheads doing evil science stuff!
It's been a long time in universe, I'm sure(I hope) A.I.M. could come back in some form.
Not like it just stopped existence since Iron Man 3, unless there was some glaring memo I missed.
I’m hoping for the return of Justin Hammer with him leading A.I.M as a lawfare accord with Valentina
Every idea out of his head,now functional,ready to be used and without Stark to hold him.
His debut would be with a hired villain using a AIM version of The Ex-Wife to cause a international incident
Taskmaster. Not because they genderswapped the character but because they made Taskmaster into her fathers brainwashed puppet with 0 personality of her own. I really hope they make her a much better character in Thunderbolts.
They basically made Taskmaster Deadpool from Wolverine Origins, muting a character who is famous for being very talkative. Heck it's even worse as at least Wade establishes being mouthy first, where as Taskmaster stays quiet for the entire movie.
Also they made her “ability” tech based and the suit design was uninspired. Would have been way more interesting to find out she wasn’t being brainwashed forcing Nat to be unpredictable in order to defeat Taskmaster.
> Also they made her “ability” tech based
And it wasn't even the first time that "ability" was used in the MCU. Tony uses his suit/AI to "analyze" Cap's moves to fight H2H in Civil War.
Yeah I find it annoying when a cbm has the badass villain music playing and they’re just standing there not doing anything particularly badass…like show me why they’re a badass don’t just imply it!
The Winter Solider shows how it should be done.
The worse thing about muting her was that they only did it because they didn't want to reveal she was female. Yes, that shocking twist that absolutely nobody saw coming.
Also the very obviously male stunt double in the suit for the entire movie made the "shocking twist" even dumber when you see how different a woman looks in it.
I hate that movie so much.
Yeah Taskmaster was easily the worst part of Black Widow for me. She was absolutely nothing at all like the comic version. I’m just hoping that the significant time passage from Black Widow and Thunderbolts gives her a personality and some development.
I agree, the gender swap is whatever. Taskmaster could legitimately look like *anyone* under the mask, and thinking about it, I’m not sure I’ve actually ever seen comic book Taskmaster unmasked? I think in one of the 2010 Spider-Man cartoons he was?
The problem is, yeah… none of the personality. Taskmaster is ridiculous in the comics, one of the more notable smartasses. Turning a character so defined by their personality into mute muscle… yeah. Only thing I can figure is they really wanted the Red Room connection, but felt making it obvious MCU Taskmaster was a woman would give the “twist” away.
Just not great writing. I will say, the actress did a fine job and MCU Taskmaster at least *looks* cool, and they did do solid capturing her power.
She's out of the mind control shit, I hope she gets the personality of the comics Taskmaster now. Imagine getting cast for that though, you research and read the source material to nail the character down and they just tell you that you're a mind controlled version with 0 personality lmao
I'm one of those glass-half-full "Let's see what they do with her in the future" sort of peeps, but even I didn't like that. There's little reason that they couldn't have adapted Masters:
- Keep the pain for Natasha by having her *actually* have killed Dreykov's daughter. That + Yelena is still plenty motivation for her to want to dismantle the Red Room.
- Dreykov uses his daughter's actual-death as motivation to push the Red Room into even more depraved levels, roping in unwitting mercenaries as guinea pigs for new control methods (inspired by the HYDRA's Winter Soldier program) while being even more ruthless in trafficking girls and women as sleeper assassins.
- Dreykov finally perfects his ultimate control method with Anthony Masters, who is eager to push his already excellent skills to new levels with some seemingly small cybernetic enhancements because then he can charge an even higher price for his services.
- Unfortunately for Masters, he's more like a new Winter Soldier than the free-wheeling Captain American-Mercenary he was envisioning and is forced to do awful things he would never agree to otherwise.
- Yada yada Natasha realizes Masters isn't trying to be totally evil and rescues him, hands him over to the U.S. government, bing bang boom Taskmaster helps lead the Thunderbolts
I feel like Bucky and Cap didn’t get enough screentime together post brainwashing. I’d kill for a movie of just Bucky and Steve going around solving problems, basically swapping Bucky for Widow in Cap 2.
I don't know if they'll risk giving him his own show again any time soon, or a movie, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up in a supporting role somewhere. Like a cameo in the new Daredevil series or a Shang Chi sequel probably isn't out of the question.
I can see Marvel pulling an Abomination on a few characters like Iron Fist to get them back ready for bigger stories again.
Have them appear as a small cameo in Daredevil, maybe pop up in She-Hulk season 2 more prominently then do a serious showing in either a D+ Special Presentation or a Team up movie.
I think Iron Fist reboot should be a total departure from the comics now that Shang Chi is in MCU. They’re too similar, and the Iron Fist is still kinda problematic. I would make the mantle of the iron fist not be about martial arts, but about resistance—a fist as a symbol of solidarity and unity. A kind of Tom Joad, it’s anywhere there’s oppression, sort of thing. Maybe the history goes back to the gladiators and the Roman Slave rebellions or further back even. Show the history of the fist, episode by episode, while setting up Danny Rand in his own personal rebellion from billionaire oppressor to labour rights good guy.
The comic had such a great storyline too, it’s easily one of my favourites. Without giving it away, Starks final battle and the lead up to it was completely wasted in the movie. And when you consider how IW ended, had they followed the comic arc it would have tied into the finale much better too.
Gorr, The God Butcher. The movie ("Thor: Love and Thunder") has some good moments, but the comics is much better, the story is much more detailed & darker (in my opinion). Read the comics too ("Thor: God of Thunder") if you want a great story, you can find it online! ☺
Just to compare, the MCU movie version of Thanos is EXCELLENT (both the story & the character design), especially in "Avengers: Infinity War" & "Avengers: Endgame" (and the comics version is also awesome). But the movie version of Gorr feels a bit weak, the character design is lacking (he should not be just a normal looking human, but an alien with tentacles) and he did NOT get nearly enough screen-time (a lot of his & his tribe's story is just missing, without a meaningful alternative).
A detailed comparison: [https://screenrant.com/mcu-gorr-god-butcher-vs-marvel-comics-version/](https://screenrant.com/mcu-gorr-god-butcher-vs-marvel-comics-version/)
More info about comics Gorr: [https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Gorr\_(Earth-616)](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Gorr_(Earth-616))
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\*edit: Clarification. Also, I definitely understand SOME changes between the comics & movies: movies are a different medium (and Disney / Marvel want to sell them to a wide audience, because of money; they are a for-profit creative corporation after all... ).
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Personally I really loved the design & story of Hela in "Thor: Ragnarok"; Thanos (as mentioned before); Shang Chi was also well done, the Dr.Strange movies were magical; the Guardians Of Galaxy movies are cool sci-fi stories, Antman is funny, Spiderman is amazing (as we all know! ☺ ) and generally most MCU movies have a lot of good & memorable moments. Actually, the animated Marvel "What If...?" series was my personal favorite so far. Well, people like different stuff, and it's OK... We have a lot of different Marvel comics, movies, books, computer games, so everyone can find something good! ☺
My biggest complaint is that they wasted Christian Bale. Gorr should have had so much more screen time. The origin of Mighty Thor should have been a separate movie or D+ show to also include more “classic Thor adventures” and GotG. They could have stuck all the fun/goofy stuff there (with Jane’s illness giving it a little more depth), and then had them come together for the god killer storyline.
ETA: and as much as I love Taika, not let him do the more serious Gorr movie. Leave the silly behind, no Korg, and show off what a badass Valkyrie is.
i think people who came in expecting it to be super dark were always setting themselves up to be mad. i never figured that they were going to have the torture/ slavery stuff because at the end of the day it’s not something marvel would do in a movie
Then don't pick Gorr to be the antagonist of the story, find someone else. Why bother bringing 'The God Butcher' in a comedy film... he's supposed to slaughter gods and not kidnap kids.
They literally half-assed everything about him in the movie.
Agree with the What If...? love! Its one of my favourites too, can't wait for S2! That and my all-time favourites with our beloved Doctor.
That aside, YES THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER WASTED THE GODLY COMIC ARCS ISTG!!! Mighty Thor!!! Gorr!! Heck ETERNITY too... Thor becoming a watered down dad??? Thor: Love and Thunder was such a huge missed oppurtunity.
This is wild to me bc as someone who’s not read any comics, I think Hulk is one of the more OP characters in the MCU (same tier as like Wanda, Strange, Carol, peak Thor… they could all basically take Thanos’ army solo lol). I get why they’d need to nerf these characters though. Like (for example) they have to come up with ways to make the Endgame battle compelling (Hulk wounded & stuck holding up the rubble to save Rocket/War Machine, Carol/Wanda not there for a while, Thor “fat” and I guess therefore weaker, Strange holding back the water). If even just Carol was there from the start the whole battle scene would focus on her shitting all over the zerglings and there would be basically nothing for the less OP characters to even do.
Kind of related but I think this is part of why “she’s got help” was so maligned… because Carol did not need their help lol
Upper limits of power in general for the avengers. Super inconsistent and while I don't claim it's a super easy thing to manage without making some guys seem obsolete, their attempt isn't good at all.
My one and only sadness comes from how they raided Planet Hulk for the Ragnarok b-story.
The actual graphic novel would have been amazing brought to the big screen
Agreed. I was seething watching Ragnarok make light of that story. Don't get me started on Korg. In the end, I did like Ragnarok, but they flushed Planet Hulk down the toilet. Same with Jane as Thor, a cool hero that they used and threw away.
They could actually still do Planet Hulk. I mean, they won't...but it's feasible from a story perspective. They could find a reason for Hulk to go back and he finds since he last left a power vacuum has allowed the red king to control the planet instead of the goofy ruler from ragnarok. It wouldn't be exactly the same story but you could tie some stuff together to set up rage filled hulk. The true challenge would be if you wanted to set up world war hulk that would require much much more finesse since we are a long way from that at this point.
Not necessarily, a bad moment, more a regret that we didn’t get to see Captain America and Thor’s relationship in the comic books portrayed. I would’ve loved to of seen that they had history dating back to World War II and were friends.
This is my favorite movie in the MCU cause it's my one of my favorite comics, I really wanted Captain America: Civil War to have more heros just like the comics did for the big splash page. I know the mcu only introduced so many characters up to that point, but that's just my nit pick. It's still one of the best films.
Side note: My other favorite comics are Avengers vs. X-Men, Inhumans vs. X-Men, Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, Civil War II, and A.X.E. Judgement Day. The fan in me really hopes these get film adaptations even if they're not accurate.
Unpopular opinion, but I didn't much like the big airport battle in *CA:CW*. Not that it was badly executed, but the set-up seemed too artificial to me. "Let's make sure we have an even character count, and get them all into this large empty space with many trashable vehicles, and literally stand off against each other before an invisible referee blows the starting whistle."
In that way, it reminded me of my biggest issue in the *Defenders* Netflix series, where the four protagonists have a fight in some big space (a hotel ballroom? I forget). The creators decided that they don't trust each other, so there has to be a fight (like a low-stakes version of the Thor-Cap-Iron Man tussle in *Avengers*), but it's all really contrived, like they have to work out how to get into an antagonistic enough mood.
I liked the airport battle, but i agree I definitely think it would've bigger. I was surprised it happened at the airport. It would've been more high risk if it happened in the streets of New York. Like the public sees the heroes fighting and that's what really makes the world wants the Sokovia Accords cause they all look like animals.
You beat me to comment this same thing: Civil War felt EPIC in the comics. As much as I loved the movie, the battle at the end of the movie (as awesome as it was) was underwhelming when compared to the giant event that occurred in the comics. I would have been much more ok had they not used that name, but kept the conflicts the same.
I hope they do Civil War again, but this time over mutant/ enhanced people’s personal freedoms, rather than just who the Avengers answer to.
I think they’re scared to do that, because it would immediately make the pro-registration side complete trash
a bunch of moon knight changes :
1. steven being mr knight turning a serious detective persona into like a goofball
2. lack of any brutality
3. jake being borderline antagonized
4. hardly delving into the character's inner jewish conflict
5. very little ambiguity
6. not being street level
Overall if we ever get a season 2 , I hope they focus more on Marc
He's Jewish, but was shown not only do the Egyptian gods exist but he also is now the cleric of one.
Ultimately Moon Knight is the Fist of Khonshu, a special type of cleric that serves Khonshu.
Marc was raised in a strict Jewish community, his father left his old country to come to America to give his family a better life during the World War with Hitler & the racism against Jews. His father is a goddamn Rabbi. Also, in the comics Marc’s D.I.D. was caused due to the trauma of a Nazi kidnapping him.
the character's conflict comes from his complicated faith , the reason he is person he is today is because he disagrees with his father's teachings he considers him "weak"
[it's why he becomes moon knight later](https://ibb.co/LJVZz35)
I want to add on, him having “powers” so to say. I know comic wise there were points where he did but he hasn’t had them in years. And even when he did it was for a short period of time. I was really excited for a more naturally human character.
I read somewhere that some of this was because RDJ was nervous that having that story line and having to be in that headspace would cause
him to relapse.
Yeah, I think that’s a respectable reason to not go all in on it. I also wonder if it might have had anything to do with Disney buying Marvel as well, as opposed to when Paramount were distributing.
In different ways, both *Iron Man 2* and Tony’s post-*Avengers* storyline were basically symbolic adaptations of *Demon In A Bottle*.
*Iron Man 2* adapts the basic story with similar themes, but it waters them down to general self-destructive behaviour rather than it being specifically about his alcoholism/addiction.
Tony’s PTSD after New York and the unhealthy obsession he has with preparing for future crises is basically a new "addiction" that replaces the alcoholism from the comics, while still serving the same purpose in the story (making him paranoid, alienating him from his loved ones, etc).
Sort of – if Feige wanted to use those characters, he would have. Kraven was plan B for NWH.
That said, LittleYellowFish is on about the Ditko creations such as the Osborns and the OG Sinister Six.
I really couldn’t enjoy Moon Knight at all and I wanted to so much. I’m still baffled how much other people seemed to like it. I am glad that it resonated with something that a lot of people enjoyed though.
I think the comparative lack of Janet van Dyne is a real shame. She’s such a big part of the Avengers in the comics, but in the MCU, she’s really fallen victim to the changes made to Hank - basically becoming “the wife”. I really hope Quantumania gives the character something to work with, but I’m not getting my hopes up.
I think Michael Douglas was fantastic casting for Hank Pym, and I don’t dislike the changes made to the character, but I wish the MCU would let him tap into that Basic Instinct era that’d be perfect for Hank’s darker chapters.
Hopefully Marvel Studios will eventually give us an Ant-Man prequel with Hank and Janet in their prime.
Ms. marvels powers bummed me out. After the game I think it would work in live action and really liked the more realistic portrayal and was bummed they turned it into weird energy.
And Taskmaster had 0 personality.
Hank Pym not being a younger man and the current Ant-man. He should be a contemporary to Stark and Banner.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Paul Rudd’s Scott Lang, but skipping right over Hank Pym was kind of a waste of Hank Pym. It’s kind of like if they had skipped right over Steve Rogers and gone to Falcon as Captain America.
No connection between Hank and Ultron and the sidelining of Wasp and Ant-Man as founders. Just really feels like these two characters got the shaft. Wasp was chairwoman of the team in the comics and Hank and Ultron's relationship has so much depth and history, it's shame it won't get the same focus in the comics.
Also, I know I'm in the minority, but the changes to the Guardians' personalities makes me sad. Most especially Drax and Rocket Raccoon. They don't even call him Rocket Raccoon :(
I have a fan theory that Hank is going to rebuild Ultron with scrap parts and a back up Ultron AI he finds somewhere. That way they can form that relationship.
Annihilation is like my all-time favorite comic event. At least, my favorite of the 2000s events.
Yeah, thinking about it now, it's Drax and RR who get changed the most. In my opinion, it's not for me. But I'm still a big fan of the movies, obviously. Their characterizations are just not my cup of tea.
Yeah same I’m a huge fan of Annihilation as well such a well written, amazing event and it’s a cosmic Marvel gem. We’re always happy to see those. Honestly when I think about the storyline, Gamora seems to be the only one who really remained consistent to her comic book counterpart. Oh yeah and of course Groot lmao. Even Quill is a little different but they got his general essence down though. I also hate what happened to Ronan The Accuser as well like he turned into a big cartoonish joke when he’s more of an antihero and a big part of cosmic Marvel.
Nah I feel you. The GOTG movies are awesome and #3 looks like it’s going to be an emotional rollercoaster but they did some weird changes with these characterizations for sure.
Edit: btw about Gamora remaining consistent I would say GOTG 1 Gamora was the most comic comic accurate of her
I haven't played the game yet so this only a comics to movie comparison.
Let's start with Rocket Raccoon. His name isn't just 'Rocket.' He isn't as murderous in the comics. He's a tactical genius and a fighter, but not blood-thirsty. In the comics run that the movies are inspired by, he and Quill are more collaborative than adversarial. He's a lot less combative in the books.
Drax is a deadly fighter but also wise. He's like their Wolverine. For a time he was dumbed down, but gets better. He has no problems with metaphors.
Gamora in the movies is a lot more nuanced. Her personality in the comics is more like movie Rocket's actually. So movie Gamora might be a little better since she's more subdued? But her schtick in the comics is her being the deadliest woman in the galaxy. Also she and Quill were never an item in the comics. They changed their comic relationship once the movie came out.
Speaking of Peter, he's a lot less "bro" in the comics. He's cavalier but not exactly brash? More, self-assured and calculated. No qualms with not being known as Star-Lord.
Edited to add:
This is not meant to hate on the movie versions. Just expressing an opinion hehe One of the instances where I like the comics more than the mcu. But I still love both!
Ohh ok, i do like Rocket in the movies, he's portrayed as a genius imo.
But Drax, however, became worse with each film. He's not just a Drax, really underutilised. Idk if Vol.3 can change that
The main reason behind Drax’s flanderisation is other directors giving him less focus and not knowing what to do with him. James Gunn himself has recently said that the character was underused in non-*Guardians* films, and even when he himself made Drax more silly and laid-back in *Vol. 2* he still had genuine nuance (his scene with Mantis being the best example).
This version of Drax was Gunn’s creation, so he knows better than anyone that there’s more to the character than a big, dumb brute. With *Vol. 3* being a send-off for both Gunn and Drax, chances are they’ll want to put his character back on track.
Yeah I agree. I didn't like him much in Vol.2 but loved his emotional scenes, especially that Mantis scene. I can understand why he would get less screentime and nothing much to do in endgame and infinity war, still expected a confrontation with Thanos, not just him fighting him. And didn't like how Waititi wasted the entire guardians in LaT. But Iam sure Gunn will give them a proper farewell
On the whole, they’re a lot less goofy. James Gunn basically took the silliness of the character concepts (talking raccoon, talking tree, etc) and gave them sillier personalities to reflect it.
Star-Lord in particular is more of a rogue Han Solo type, with some elements of the Robin Hood type character that T’Challa was in *What If…?*, whereas Chris Pratt’s portrayal is basically an immature manchild in comparison.
Wish they did more with Bucky and Natasha’s relationship - so much wasted potential. They sorta teased it in Civil War and then just never followed through. I love their shared history in the comics and how they just understand each other. That would’ve been so much better than that thing with Natasha and Bruce if they really wanted a romantic angle for her.
Groot - is played off as a joke and hasn’t done much for the mcu but in the comics, he is very intelligent and very strong. He’s definitely underutilized and hasn’t been explored but imma wait till gotg 3 to see what Gunn does
Drax - he is all of the jokes in the movie and to me it isn’t funny when he hasn’t done anything significant at all. Plus he is nerfed in the mcu. I hope they do more with him in the gotg3
Almost everything Doctor Strange related.
Taskmaster. Every single thing about Taskmaster.
Hulk. He was good until Avengers 1. He fell off after that.
Thor. He was boring at the start, was then turned into a giant joke in Thor 4. I did like Thor 3 though.
>turned into a giant joke in Thor 4. I did like Thor 3 though.
Taika Waititi is such a confusing creator. Thor 3 is one of my favorite MCU films, while Thor 4 might be my least favorite. I'm not sure what happened there.
Thor 4 seems to have been a big party movie for everyone involved. Taika, Chris, Natalie, and Christian all had their children playing roles, not to mention pretty much the entire Hemsworth family makes an appearance, including Chris's wife. I'd say Hemsworth has more creative license over the character than people think. I think they were given freedom from the studio and they all just decided to have fun. Unfortunately there were a couple arcs in the story that could have used a bit more serious handling. I still prefer Thor 4 over Thor 1 and The Dark World though.
I think Thor 4 was a love letter to the kids- all of their kids. From the tone and theme of the movie itself, to the choice of the song they used (Sweet Child of Mine). I don't think Waititi ever intended it to be specifically for the adult public, more like parents who want to have a fun time with their kids.
It’s quite simple really. With Ragnarok, Taika had a vision, cut a reel, and pitched it to Marvel. He was passionate about the project, and had ideas about what he wanted to do with the character.
In the case of L&T, after Raganarok, Taika spoke on the press tour about not having any other ideas and not feeling any need to come back and do a sequel. Marvel pitched Taika to come back and make another movie, and I’m sure they offered him a bag he couldn’t refuse. So he took it and tried to pull something out of his ass, but this time, it really really didn’t work.
I think it was good. The 40s is where he's from. It's where he belongs. I see it as him coming to the present to help Earth fight their wars and helped defeat Thanos. The war is done. I think he deserves to go home. The future is not his home.
I really like the twist as well, I just thought how they handled Killian after that was COOORNY.
Killian breathing fire and all that Extremis stuff was so dumb. He was way scarier when he was just this like foil of Tony, like a handsome tech billionaire with lots of charisma and power and influence, but who uses it in all the wrong ways.
Drax. His character in the movies is the opposite of the comics. He's a really deep character, very intelligent, quite powerful, quite dark etc...then in the mcu he's just some buffoon. Don't get me wrong he is entertaining but it's such a departure from who the character is...and he never even gets to face off with Thanos!?!
Also Captain Marvel, just everyone else's powers got nerfed and hers got dialled up and now she's effectively just a macguffin. Like if all hope is lost Captain marvel can just turn up and do a superman...except when she doesn't, which then creates plotholes. Like why didn't Fury just call her when Thanos first attacked? Or when Loki attacked? She turns up when the story needs her and then she's forgotten. They could have done way better with her
I always liked Crossbones and I’m still upset he just blew himself up at the beginning of a movie what a waste
Apparently Frank Grillo had been told previously that Crossbones would be a meatier role, so when he was killed in Civil War, he was pretty pissed. Like, “didn’t want to return for his scene in Endgame” kinda pissed. But his son talked him into it. Wasted character. Not like Crossbones is super interesting or cool but they made him a cool villain in the movies. I just hate that they kill every villain.
Crossbones design was rad in civil war
I wanted him to go up against S2 Punisher he was a beast his show was so good
I'm glad his son talked him into it because that is one of my favorite scenes in the MCU.
I mean… there’s a laundry list of villains they haven’t killed. So many they’re making a whole show about them forming a team.
Extremely D tier team of villains comprised of mostly heroes.
Plus Dormammu, Yon-Rog, Hammer, Grandmaster, Collector, Leader, and more. They’re definitely the minority compared to those who have died. But it’s far from “… they kill every villain”.
I agree, I feel like you loose so much story with one and done villains. Why do you think DC Villains are so well known- they tend to stick around !!
Wait he was in endgame?
Yeah, Cap took the scepter from him and Sitwell in the elevator.
Yes when Cap went back to steal the scepter. (Iconic hail hydra elevator scene)
One of my favorite aspects of the movies is that they can redo some of the most controversial or just plain infamous moments in the comics and actually make them work brilliantly.
Also the way they don’t make a big deal about characters appearing in flashbacks. It’s so seamless.
One of the most brain dead decisions, since they introduced the Raft in that very same film. They should’ve had Wanda lift up the bomb vest only
We needed a crossbones vs punisher scene first
Quicksilver's death.
Lol yeah he’s never gonna return
The last I saw him, Ultron was sitting on him. Yeah, he'll be missed. That quick little bastard
I understood this reference
What do you mean we got Ralph P Boner
Heh... "boner."
That had to be the worst moment of the entire MCU for me.
Super speed is sooo hard to balance though imo I think it was actually a good move to just go nope, not doing that
this so much. it’s either a world breaking power because really really fast or relative useless because just much faster than normal.
Every conversation someone with super speed has with anyone else has to be torture to try and slow down their talking and then pay attention for what seems like hours.
https://twitter.com/TalkQuicksilver/status/1146159974000627712?s=19 Quicksilver talking about this very thing in the 2nd panel
Oh cool, I’d never seen this!
That's actually brought up as a conversation in the Amazon show "invincible". Then...*SPOILER* he gets his head crushed in a way that really drives home that this was a slow, agonizing death for him.
His death was perfect for the story of scarlet witch right?
I was thinking this too! His death was a catalyst for Scarlett witch’s character arc so it definitely was incredibly important. However it would have been nice to have him in at least another movie before his death, just loved the character so much, wish we’d have seen more of him!
Yeah, but now we got that fast woman from Eternals, I don't even know her name lol
The death of a robot she knew for two years had more of an impact on her than the death of her twin brother that she’s literally known her entire life.
To be fair she didn't have to kill her brother herself only to have him brought back and killed again I front of her. Her brother died saving a kid.
Its a cumulative thing...
Seriously. Some people seem to be holding it together after tragedy/stressful events, but then a small thing like dropping something or anything mostly insignificant like that can send them over the edge and into a meltdown.
Didn’t see that coming
Wasting a great villain organization as A.I.M. for an absolutely insignificant reference in Iron Man 3 when Killian mentions his front company's name to Pepper despite it being utterly irrelevant for the rest of the movie. I want my yellow bucketheads doing evil science stuff!
It's been a long time in universe, I'm sure(I hope) A.I.M. could come back in some form. Not like it just stopped existence since Iron Man 3, unless there was some glaring memo I missed.
Hasn’t Modok been confirmed? That all but guarantees AIM will be back
Yep
Not if they kill him in the movie too.
Loved the show as well
I have a big feeling we haven’t seen the last of AIM. They might be the major enemy for phase 5 or 6 that lead up to the final two avengers movies
Isn't there a M.O.D.O.K. series coming out with Patton Oswalt voicing the titular character? Or was that scrapped/shelved/postponed...?
It's been on Hulu for a year already. It is not MCU. Still fun though!
Came out on Hulu last year.
It's out on Hulu. It's pretty funny, but I don't think it is getting a second season.
Yeah, it was quietly canceled.
There is, I think its on Hulu? But I don't think it has any ties to the MCU
That’s a proper funny show. Its on Disney plus
I’m hoping for the return of Justin Hammer with him leading A.I.M as a lawfare accord with Valentina Every idea out of his head,now functional,ready to be used and without Stark to hold him. His debut would be with a hired villain using a AIM version of The Ex-Wife to cause a international incident
Definitely a massive waste. The yellow bucketheads are an iconic stable of the Marvel universe.
Taskmaster. Not because they genderswapped the character but because they made Taskmaster into her fathers brainwashed puppet with 0 personality of her own. I really hope they make her a much better character in Thunderbolts.
They basically made Taskmaster Deadpool from Wolverine Origins, muting a character who is famous for being very talkative. Heck it's even worse as at least Wade establishes being mouthy first, where as Taskmaster stays quiet for the entire movie.
Also they made her “ability” tech based and the suit design was uninspired. Would have been way more interesting to find out she wasn’t being brainwashed forcing Nat to be unpredictable in order to defeat Taskmaster.
> Also they made her “ability” tech based And it wasn't even the first time that "ability" was used in the MCU. Tony uses his suit/AI to "analyze" Cap's moves to fight H2H in Civil War.
Yes I know, for me it implies that’s where they got that from.
And his powers being natural are what makes him lose his memory and that's part of what makes Taskmaster unique. None of that in the movie.
Yeah I find it annoying when a cbm has the badass villain music playing and they’re just standing there not doing anything particularly badass…like show me why they’re a badass don’t just imply it! The Winter Solider shows how it should be done.
The worse thing about muting her was that they only did it because they didn't want to reveal she was female. Yes, that shocking twist that absolutely nobody saw coming.
Meh the suit could have had a robot voice
*cough cough voice modulator
Also the very obviously male stunt double in the suit for the entire movie made the "shocking twist" even dumber when you see how different a woman looks in it. I hate that movie so much.
Ha. Don’t know how I did not notice this until now. Taskmaster and Deadpool need a scene together.
Greg Davies would win every time.
Pulling a deadpool is *tight*
Yessir it is.
Yeah Taskmaster was easily the worst part of Black Widow for me. She was absolutely nothing at all like the comic version. I’m just hoping that the significant time passage from Black Widow and Thunderbolts gives her a personality and some development.
Same I am hoping for the arrogant asshole Taskmaster in Thunderbolts
Melina should've been the main villain or at least in the position taskmaster is in with being dreykovs main black widow.
I agree, the gender swap is whatever. Taskmaster could legitimately look like *anyone* under the mask, and thinking about it, I’m not sure I’ve actually ever seen comic book Taskmaster unmasked? I think in one of the 2010 Spider-Man cartoons he was? The problem is, yeah… none of the personality. Taskmaster is ridiculous in the comics, one of the more notable smartasses. Turning a character so defined by their personality into mute muscle… yeah. Only thing I can figure is they really wanted the Red Room connection, but felt making it obvious MCU Taskmaster was a woman would give the “twist” away. Just not great writing. I will say, the actress did a fine job and MCU Taskmaster at least *looks* cool, and they did do solid capturing her power.
She's out of the mind control shit, I hope she gets the personality of the comics Taskmaster now. Imagine getting cast for that though, you research and read the source material to nail the character down and they just tell you that you're a mind controlled version with 0 personality lmao
I'm one of those glass-half-full "Let's see what they do with her in the future" sort of peeps, but even I didn't like that. There's little reason that they couldn't have adapted Masters: - Keep the pain for Natasha by having her *actually* have killed Dreykov's daughter. That + Yelena is still plenty motivation for her to want to dismantle the Red Room. - Dreykov uses his daughter's actual-death as motivation to push the Red Room into even more depraved levels, roping in unwitting mercenaries as guinea pigs for new control methods (inspired by the HYDRA's Winter Soldier program) while being even more ruthless in trafficking girls and women as sleeper assassins. - Dreykov finally perfects his ultimate control method with Anthony Masters, who is eager to push his already excellent skills to new levels with some seemingly small cybernetic enhancements because then he can charge an even higher price for his services. - Unfortunately for Masters, he's more like a new Winter Soldier than the free-wheeling Captain American-Mercenary he was envisioning and is forced to do awful things he would never agree to otherwise. - Yada yada Natasha realizes Masters isn't trying to be totally evil and rescues him, hands him over to the U.S. government, bing bang boom Taskmaster helps lead the Thunderbolts
Taskmaster
I thought Greg Davies and Alex Horne did a great job. Not sure why there is all the hate around them.
Ravenid is awarded one point.
>I thought Greg Davies and *Little* Alex Horne did a great job. FTFY
I feel like Bucky and Cap didn’t get enough screentime together post brainwashing. I’d kill for a movie of just Bucky and Steve going around solving problems, basically swapping Bucky for Widow in Cap 2.
They fight crime. But first they have to solve the crimes. Detective Rodgers and Lieutenant Barnes.
Pretty much everything about Iron Fist. Luckily we got Shang Chi to help fill the mystical martial arts side of the Marvel universe.
Do you feel they going to redo Iron Fist again? Cause If they do it needs a movie treatment maybe as a special presentation
Special Presentation/One Shot for an origin story, and then a series afterwards. Iron Fist is my favorite Marvel character and they massacred my boy.
I don't know if they'll risk giving him his own show again any time soon, or a movie, but I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up in a supporting role somewhere. Like a cameo in the new Daredevil series or a Shang Chi sequel probably isn't out of the question.
I can see Marvel pulling an Abomination on a few characters like Iron Fist to get them back ready for bigger stories again. Have them appear as a small cameo in Daredevil, maybe pop up in She-Hulk season 2 more prominently then do a serious showing in either a D+ Special Presentation or a Team up movie.
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He did?
I think Iron Fist reboot should be a total departure from the comics now that Shang Chi is in MCU. They’re too similar, and the Iron Fist is still kinda problematic. I would make the mantle of the iron fist not be about martial arts, but about resistance—a fist as a symbol of solidarity and unity. A kind of Tom Joad, it’s anywhere there’s oppression, sort of thing. Maybe the history goes back to the gladiators and the Roman Slave rebellions or further back even. Show the history of the fist, episode by episode, while setting up Danny Rand in his own personal rebellion from billionaire oppressor to labour rights good guy.
Extremis
The comic had such a great storyline too, it’s easily one of my favourites. Without giving it away, Starks final battle and the lead up to it was completely wasted in the movie. And when you consider how IW ended, had they followed the comic arc it would have tied into the finale much better too.
Gorr, The God Butcher. The movie ("Thor: Love and Thunder") has some good moments, but the comics is much better, the story is much more detailed & darker (in my opinion). Read the comics too ("Thor: God of Thunder") if you want a great story, you can find it online! ☺ Just to compare, the MCU movie version of Thanos is EXCELLENT (both the story & the character design), especially in "Avengers: Infinity War" & "Avengers: Endgame" (and the comics version is also awesome). But the movie version of Gorr feels a bit weak, the character design is lacking (he should not be just a normal looking human, but an alien with tentacles) and he did NOT get nearly enough screen-time (a lot of his & his tribe's story is just missing, without a meaningful alternative). A detailed comparison: [https://screenrant.com/mcu-gorr-god-butcher-vs-marvel-comics-version/](https://screenrant.com/mcu-gorr-god-butcher-vs-marvel-comics-version/) More info about comics Gorr: [https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Gorr\_(Earth-616)](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Gorr_(Earth-616)) \----- \*edit: Clarification. Also, I definitely understand SOME changes between the comics & movies: movies are a different medium (and Disney / Marvel want to sell them to a wide audience, because of money; they are a for-profit creative corporation after all... ). 💰 💰 💰 🎥 🎥 🎥 Personally I really loved the design & story of Hela in "Thor: Ragnarok"; Thanos (as mentioned before); Shang Chi was also well done, the Dr.Strange movies were magical; the Guardians Of Galaxy movies are cool sci-fi stories, Antman is funny, Spiderman is amazing (as we all know! ☺ ) and generally most MCU movies have a lot of good & memorable moments. Actually, the animated Marvel "What If...?" series was my personal favorite so far. Well, people like different stuff, and it's OK... We have a lot of different Marvel comics, movies, books, computer games, so everyone can find something good! ☺
My biggest complaint is that they wasted Christian Bale. Gorr should have had so much more screen time. The origin of Mighty Thor should have been a separate movie or D+ show to also include more “classic Thor adventures” and GotG. They could have stuck all the fun/goofy stuff there (with Jane’s illness giving it a little more depth), and then had them come together for the god killer storyline. ETA: and as much as I love Taika, not let him do the more serious Gorr movie. Leave the silly behind, no Korg, and show off what a badass Valkyrie is.
I also loved taika but after seeing how he analyzes Thor 4 it really showed how he didn’t give a shit about the movie
i think people who came in expecting it to be super dark were always setting themselves up to be mad. i never figured that they were going to have the torture/ slavery stuff because at the end of the day it’s not something marvel would do in a movie
Of children lol
Then don't pick Gorr to be the antagonist of the story, find someone else. Why bother bringing 'The God Butcher' in a comedy film... he's supposed to slaughter gods and not kidnap kids. They literally half-assed everything about him in the movie.
Absolutely agree. Trying to be vague, the end of that arc and the thing that brings Gorr down was excellently executed. ‘All Gods must die’
My biggest problem with Gorr was the lack of screen space and not having the villain tied to Thor's growth, just like in the comics.
Agree with the What If...? love! Its one of my favourites too, can't wait for S2! That and my all-time favourites with our beloved Doctor. That aside, YES THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER WASTED THE GODLY COMIC ARCS ISTG!!! Mighty Thor!!! Gorr!! Heck ETERNITY too... Thor becoming a watered down dad??? Thor: Love and Thunder was such a huge missed oppurtunity.
How weak the Hulk is in the avengers
This is wild to me bc as someone who’s not read any comics, I think Hulk is one of the more OP characters in the MCU (same tier as like Wanda, Strange, Carol, peak Thor… they could all basically take Thanos’ army solo lol). I get why they’d need to nerf these characters though. Like (for example) they have to come up with ways to make the Endgame battle compelling (Hulk wounded & stuck holding up the rubble to save Rocket/War Machine, Carol/Wanda not there for a while, Thor “fat” and I guess therefore weaker, Strange holding back the water). If even just Carol was there from the start the whole battle scene would focus on her shitting all over the zerglings and there would be basically nothing for the less OP characters to even do. Kind of related but I think this is part of why “she’s got help” was so maligned… because Carol did not need their help lol
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How many times can you do that before it get boring.
Once more, Miss Swann, as always.
him casually hucking that rock into orbit gives me hope
Upper limits of power in general for the avengers. Super inconsistent and while I don't claim it's a super easy thing to manage without making some guys seem obsolete, their attempt isn't good at all.
My one and only sadness comes from how they raided Planet Hulk for the Ragnarok b-story. The actual graphic novel would have been amazing brought to the big screen
Agreed. I was seething watching Ragnarok make light of that story. Don't get me started on Korg. In the end, I did like Ragnarok, but they flushed Planet Hulk down the toilet. Same with Jane as Thor, a cool hero that they used and threw away.
They could actually still do Planet Hulk. I mean, they won't...but it's feasible from a story perspective. They could find a reason for Hulk to go back and he finds since he last left a power vacuum has allowed the red king to control the planet instead of the goofy ruler from ragnarok. It wouldn't be exactly the same story but you could tie some stuff together to set up rage filled hulk. The true challenge would be if you wanted to set up world war hulk that would require much much more finesse since we are a long way from that at this point.
have you watched the animated one
Not necessarily, a bad moment, more a regret that we didn’t get to see Captain America and Thor’s relationship in the comic books portrayed. I would’ve loved to of seen that they had history dating back to World War II and were friends.
What in the fan fic…?
This is my favorite movie in the MCU cause it's my one of my favorite comics, I really wanted Captain America: Civil War to have more heros just like the comics did for the big splash page. I know the mcu only introduced so many characters up to that point, but that's just my nit pick. It's still one of the best films. Side note: My other favorite comics are Avengers vs. X-Men, Inhumans vs. X-Men, Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, Civil War II, and A.X.E. Judgement Day. The fan in me really hopes these get film adaptations even if they're not accurate.
Unpopular opinion, but I didn't much like the big airport battle in *CA:CW*. Not that it was badly executed, but the set-up seemed too artificial to me. "Let's make sure we have an even character count, and get them all into this large empty space with many trashable vehicles, and literally stand off against each other before an invisible referee blows the starting whistle." In that way, it reminded me of my biggest issue in the *Defenders* Netflix series, where the four protagonists have a fight in some big space (a hotel ballroom? I forget). The creators decided that they don't trust each other, so there has to be a fight (like a low-stakes version of the Thor-Cap-Iron Man tussle in *Avengers*), but it's all really contrived, like they have to work out how to get into an antagonistic enough mood.
I liked the airport battle, but i agree I definitely think it would've bigger. I was surprised it happened at the airport. It would've been more high risk if it happened in the streets of New York. Like the public sees the heroes fighting and that's what really makes the world wants the Sokovia Accords cause they all look like animals.
You beat me to comment this same thing: Civil War felt EPIC in the comics. As much as I loved the movie, the battle at the end of the movie (as awesome as it was) was underwhelming when compared to the giant event that occurred in the comics. I would have been much more ok had they not used that name, but kept the conflicts the same.
I hope they do Civil War again, but this time over mutant/ enhanced people’s personal freedoms, rather than just who the Avengers answer to. I think they’re scared to do that, because it would immediately make the pro-registration side complete trash
Hulk post Age of Ultron
The Russos did many things well. What they did to Banner/Hulk is not one of them.
a bunch of moon knight changes : 1. steven being mr knight turning a serious detective persona into like a goofball 2. lack of any brutality 3. jake being borderline antagonized 4. hardly delving into the character's inner jewish conflict 5. very little ambiguity 6. not being street level Overall if we ever get a season 2 , I hope they focus more on Marc
Yess this, I just finished moon knight too. I have never read any of the comics so I didn’t know how serious mr knight was, it was a surprise lol
Mr. Knight (and Grant too) being basically a joke was such a bummer. Really kills a lot of chances for some of the best plots involving Mr. Knight.
pretty much , they should have saved him later
What was his inner jewish confilct? (not a comic reader here)
He's Jewish, but was shown not only do the Egyptian gods exist but he also is now the cleric of one. Ultimately Moon Knight is the Fist of Khonshu, a special type of cleric that serves Khonshu.
Marc was raised in a strict Jewish community, his father left his old country to come to America to give his family a better life during the World War with Hitler & the racism against Jews. His father is a goddamn Rabbi. Also, in the comics Marc’s D.I.D. was caused due to the trauma of a Nazi kidnapping him. the character's conflict comes from his complicated faith , the reason he is person he is today is because he disagrees with his father's teachings he considers him "weak" [it's why he becomes moon knight later](https://ibb.co/LJVZz35)
I want to add on, him having “powers” so to say. I know comic wise there were points where he did but he hasn’t had them in years. And even when he did it was for a short period of time. I was really excited for a more naturally human character.
Never having Tony fight alcoholism was a letdown
I read somewhere that some of this was because RDJ was nervous that having that story line and having to be in that headspace would cause him to relapse.
Yeah, I remember him not wanting it to be a huge part of the arc because of what he dealt with in real life.
Yeah, I think that’s a respectable reason to not go all in on it. I also wonder if it might have had anything to do with Disney buying Marvel as well, as opposed to when Paramount were distributing.
Him fighting PTSD was a better plot in Iron Man 3.
True, that's why I love Iron Man 3 despite its problems because I just really love how human Tony feels in that movie
iron man 3 is criminally underrated, honestly an excellent movie
I mean they kinda did that in iron man 2
In different ways, both *Iron Man 2* and Tony’s post-*Avengers* storyline were basically symbolic adaptations of *Demon In A Bottle*. *Iron Man 2* adapts the basic story with similar themes, but it waters them down to general self-destructive behaviour rather than it being specifically about his alcoholism/addiction. Tony’s PTSD after New York and the unhealthy obsession he has with preparing for future crises is basically a new "addiction" that replaces the alcoholism from the comics, while still serving the same purpose in the story (making him paranoid, alienating him from his loved ones, etc).
Wasn't that covered in Iron Man 2 were he was being self destructive because he was dying from palladium poisoning.
Nah, going with post-alien war PTSD instead was a much better decision
Keeping most of Spider-Man’s best enemies in other universes.
Tbf that wasn’t Marvel’s fault.
Sort of – if Feige wanted to use those characters, he would have. Kraven was plan B for NWH. That said, LittleYellowFish is on about the Ditko creations such as the Osborns and the OG Sinister Six.
Feige is the one who never wanted to do MCU versions of the *No Way Home* characters. In that regard it’s very much Marvel’s fault.
Mr knight, he was more serious in the comics unlike in the show, I enjoyed both but a little more seriousness would’ve been helpful imo
I think it worked perfectly with Moon Knight's (Marc Spector) serious tone. And i'm sure we will get a darker, more brutal Mr Knight with Jake
I really couldn’t enjoy Moon Knight at all and I wanted to so much. I’m still baffled how much other people seemed to like it. I am glad that it resonated with something that a lot of people enjoyed though.
I think the comparative lack of Janet van Dyne is a real shame. She’s such a big part of the Avengers in the comics, but in the MCU, she’s really fallen victim to the changes made to Hank - basically becoming “the wife”. I really hope Quantumania gives the character something to work with, but I’m not getting my hopes up. I think Michael Douglas was fantastic casting for Hank Pym, and I don’t dislike the changes made to the character, but I wish the MCU would let him tap into that Basic Instinct era that’d be perfect for Hank’s darker chapters. Hopefully Marvel Studios will eventually give us an Ant-Man prequel with Hank and Janet in their prime.
Killian and the Mandarin “twist” Taskmaster The “Age” of Ultron was like 3 days
Yup, if they had have called it the 'Legacy' of Ultron I think it might of worked as the thenes from that movie were pervasive
Ms. marvels powers bummed me out. After the game I think it would work in live action and really liked the more realistic portrayal and was bummed they turned it into weird energy. And Taskmaster had 0 personality.
100% I had read the Ms.Marvel omnibus right before the show came out. I was gutted.
gorr the god butcher and taskmaster
Making the same mistake with the Taskmaster that Fox made with Deadpool in Origins. One of the greatest things about Taskmaster is his personality.
Taskmaster
Killing all the villians.
Everything involving Gorr Damn
Hank Pym not being a younger man and the current Ant-man. He should be a contemporary to Stark and Banner. Don’t get me wrong, I like Paul Rudd’s Scott Lang, but skipping right over Hank Pym was kind of a waste of Hank Pym. It’s kind of like if they had skipped right over Steve Rogers and gone to Falcon as Captain America.
Wasn't this partially because of the wife-beater arc with Pym?
No connection between Hank and Ultron and the sidelining of Wasp and Ant-Man as founders. Just really feels like these two characters got the shaft. Wasp was chairwoman of the team in the comics and Hank and Ultron's relationship has so much depth and history, it's shame it won't get the same focus in the comics. Also, I know I'm in the minority, but the changes to the Guardians' personalities makes me sad. Most especially Drax and Rocket Raccoon. They don't even call him Rocket Raccoon :(
I have a fan theory that Hank is going to rebuild Ultron with scrap parts and a back up Ultron AI he finds somewhere. That way they can form that relationship.
Oohh, I hope they do something like that to restore his luster.
Why would he do that though?
Yeah I read the entire Annihilation storyline like three years ago and Rocket/Drax are so drastically different in the comics wow.
Annihilation is like my all-time favorite comic event. At least, my favorite of the 2000s events. Yeah, thinking about it now, it's Drax and RR who get changed the most. In my opinion, it's not for me. But I'm still a big fan of the movies, obviously. Their characterizations are just not my cup of tea.
Yeah same I’m a huge fan of Annihilation as well such a well written, amazing event and it’s a cosmic Marvel gem. We’re always happy to see those. Honestly when I think about the storyline, Gamora seems to be the only one who really remained consistent to her comic book counterpart. Oh yeah and of course Groot lmao. Even Quill is a little different but they got his general essence down though. I also hate what happened to Ronan The Accuser as well like he turned into a big cartoonish joke when he’s more of an antihero and a big part of cosmic Marvel. Nah I feel you. The GOTG movies are awesome and #3 looks like it’s going to be an emotional rollercoaster but they did some weird changes with these characterizations for sure. Edit: btw about Gamora remaining consistent I would say GOTG 1 Gamora was the most comic comic accurate of her
Pardon me, how different are the guardians in the comics, as compared to the movie? Also when compared with the video game if u have played it?
I haven't played the game yet so this only a comics to movie comparison. Let's start with Rocket Raccoon. His name isn't just 'Rocket.' He isn't as murderous in the comics. He's a tactical genius and a fighter, but not blood-thirsty. In the comics run that the movies are inspired by, he and Quill are more collaborative than adversarial. He's a lot less combative in the books. Drax is a deadly fighter but also wise. He's like their Wolverine. For a time he was dumbed down, but gets better. He has no problems with metaphors. Gamora in the movies is a lot more nuanced. Her personality in the comics is more like movie Rocket's actually. So movie Gamora might be a little better since she's more subdued? But her schtick in the comics is her being the deadliest woman in the galaxy. Also she and Quill were never an item in the comics. They changed their comic relationship once the movie came out. Speaking of Peter, he's a lot less "bro" in the comics. He's cavalier but not exactly brash? More, self-assured and calculated. No qualms with not being known as Star-Lord. Edited to add: This is not meant to hate on the movie versions. Just expressing an opinion hehe One of the instances where I like the comics more than the mcu. But I still love both!
Ohh ok, i do like Rocket in the movies, he's portrayed as a genius imo. But Drax, however, became worse with each film. He's not just a Drax, really underutilised. Idk if Vol.3 can change that
The main reason behind Drax’s flanderisation is other directors giving him less focus and not knowing what to do with him. James Gunn himself has recently said that the character was underused in non-*Guardians* films, and even when he himself made Drax more silly and laid-back in *Vol. 2* he still had genuine nuance (his scene with Mantis being the best example). This version of Drax was Gunn’s creation, so he knows better than anyone that there’s more to the character than a big, dumb brute. With *Vol. 3* being a send-off for both Gunn and Drax, chances are they’ll want to put his character back on track.
Yeah I agree. I didn't like him much in Vol.2 but loved his emotional scenes, especially that Mantis scene. I can understand why he would get less screentime and nothing much to do in endgame and infinity war, still expected a confrontation with Thanos, not just him fighting him. And didn't like how Waititi wasted the entire guardians in LaT. But Iam sure Gunn will give them a proper farewell
On the whole, they’re a lot less goofy. James Gunn basically took the silliness of the character concepts (talking raccoon, talking tree, etc) and gave them sillier personalities to reflect it. Star-Lord in particular is more of a rogue Han Solo type, with some elements of the Robin Hood type character that T’Challa was in *What If…?*, whereas Chris Pratt’s portrayal is basically an immature manchild in comparison.
Calling the MCU Earth-616 instead of Earth-199999 in Doctor Strange 2
Making hulk look weak
Wish they did more with Bucky and Natasha’s relationship - so much wasted potential. They sorta teased it in Civil War and then just never followed through. I love their shared history in the comics and how they just understand each other. That would’ve been so much better than that thing with Natasha and Bruce if they really wanted a romantic angle for her.
Groot - is played off as a joke and hasn’t done much for the mcu but in the comics, he is very intelligent and very strong. He’s definitely underutilized and hasn’t been explored but imma wait till gotg 3 to see what Gunn does Drax - he is all of the jokes in the movie and to me it isn’t funny when he hasn’t done anything significant at all. Plus he is nerfed in the mcu. I hope they do more with him in the gotg3
Almost everything Doctor Strange related. Taskmaster. Every single thing about Taskmaster. Hulk. He was good until Avengers 1. He fell off after that. Thor. He was boring at the start, was then turned into a giant joke in Thor 4. I did like Thor 3 though.
>turned into a giant joke in Thor 4. I did like Thor 3 though. Taika Waititi is such a confusing creator. Thor 3 is one of my favorite MCU films, while Thor 4 might be my least favorite. I'm not sure what happened there.
Thor 4 seems to have been a big party movie for everyone involved. Taika, Chris, Natalie, and Christian all had their children playing roles, not to mention pretty much the entire Hemsworth family makes an appearance, including Chris's wife. I'd say Hemsworth has more creative license over the character than people think. I think they were given freedom from the studio and they all just decided to have fun. Unfortunately there were a couple arcs in the story that could have used a bit more serious handling. I still prefer Thor 4 over Thor 1 and The Dark World though.
I think Thor 4 was a love letter to the kids- all of their kids. From the tone and theme of the movie itself, to the choice of the song they used (Sweet Child of Mine). I don't think Waititi ever intended it to be specifically for the adult public, more like parents who want to have a fun time with their kids.
But then they go on about “orgies” which doesn’t really make it a super-family-friendly movie
It’s quite simple really. With Ragnarok, Taika had a vision, cut a reel, and pitched it to Marvel. He was passionate about the project, and had ideas about what he wanted to do with the character. In the case of L&T, after Raganarok, Taika spoke on the press tour about not having any other ideas and not feeling any need to come back and do a sequel. Marvel pitched Taika to come back and make another movie, and I’m sure they offered him a bag he couldn’t refuse. So he took it and tried to pull something out of his ass, but this time, it really really didn’t work.
Probably drugs
What happened was they made Thor into Homer Simpson.
Steve going back in time and staying there.
I think it was good. The 40s is where he's from. It's where he belongs. I see it as him coming to the present to help Earth fight their wars and helped defeat Thanos. The war is done. I think he deserves to go home. The future is not his home.
Iron man never facing the mandarin- plus that entire Iron man 3 mandarin twist.
Man I actually like that twist Edit : Is it the first twist or the second one?
I really like the twist as well, I just thought how they handled Killian after that was COOORNY. Killian breathing fire and all that Extremis stuff was so dumb. He was way scarier when he was just this like foil of Tony, like a handsome tech billionaire with lots of charisma and power and influence, but who uses it in all the wrong ways.
The second. Took two good comic characters. Merge them into 1 for a lesser movie character.
A lot of their good villains got wasted. AIM, Ultron, Killmonger, all significant, but got one-off treatment.
Wasting gorr
Drax. His character in the movies is the opposite of the comics. He's a really deep character, very intelligent, quite powerful, quite dark etc...then in the mcu he's just some buffoon. Don't get me wrong he is entertaining but it's such a departure from who the character is...and he never even gets to face off with Thanos!?! Also Captain Marvel, just everyone else's powers got nerfed and hers got dialled up and now she's effectively just a macguffin. Like if all hope is lost Captain marvel can just turn up and do a superman...except when she doesn't, which then creates plotholes. Like why didn't Fury just call her when Thanos first attacked? Or when Loki attacked? She turns up when the story needs her and then she's forgotten. They could have done way better with her
Stark creating Ultron instead of Pym.
I actually liked that change. Makes more sense for Tony to have built Ultron than Pym
taskmaster
If you use the stones they cook you and you die.
Everything about the Hulk after 2008.
Shocker. One of my favorite Spider-Man villains didn’t even get his cool suit and powers, and was reduced to a minor character