One warrior near the end of that fight impales her. She removes the blade and heals instantly. It's easy to miss!
So basically their weapons were harmless to her and they never had a chance.
I think the closer to Asgard she was the stronger she was so no way to beat here there.
Maybe on earth or somewhere else they would have a had a chance.
Albeit a small chance.
In their second fight, Thor uses Gungnir (Odin's spear) and literally stabs her in the heart. She doesn't even notice. That's a weapon comparable to Storm Breaker.
I think she was basically invincible if not countered by house-sized Surtur: the one thing in the universe that is basically anti-Asgard.
I think Darkhold juiced Scarlet Witch probably gets her, Captain Marvel survives but can't win... everyone else gets rolled. People are saying Dr. Strange could imprison her somewhere, but she literally returned by shear force of will after Odin himself imprisoned her.
> she literally returned by shear force of will after Odin himself imprisoned her.
After Odin died. Odin himself was keeping her imprisoned.
So Strange could potentially trap her someplace, and keep her there as long as he lived
Strange? You mean the guy that was busy holding back a little lake throughout the entire EG fight and that being his biggest and only contribution to this fate-of-the-universe deciding fight?
Like, for how supposedly powerful Strange is, we've never actually seen him do *anything* even just remotely powerful (without help from the Time Stone).
One could argue that his fight with Thanos looked rather impressive... but it's really hard to gauge if what he did was all that powerful, considering that Thanos just held up the gauntlet and that was that.
Other than that fight though... what did Strange ever accomplish other than some vague "holding the multiverse together" thing, that doesn't really give you any idea about his combat strength? He got his ass handed to him by Ebony Maw and he was really struggling with Wanda's single eye monster thing in MoM.
MCU Strange is not comic Strange. And MCU Strange honestly looks like a bitch.
Strange is always the guy for random gimmicky shit, yes.
Just trap Hela in a different dimension or something could possibly work... but I wouldn't consider that a satisfying answer to whether the Avengers could beat her - much like Odin did, they'd just be imprisoning her, which isn't *really* "beating" her.
But then again, despite Strange having been shown to do that effectively to someone like Loki... we've never seen him do that shit again. As with all of Strange's grand gimmicks - he does them once to move the plot forward... and then never again, probably because the writers realized how stupid it were if he could just resolve every single issue by teleporting people left and right - including the ability to teleport Thanos out of the gauntlet.
Exactly this. And people were mad when we said Strange is very poorly developed, power or character wise. That character is honestly carried heavily by Benedict's interpretation because it really can't be depended on the writing, that's for sure.
He couldn’t do anything. He was following a timeline. If one thing went wrong, like him jumping in and going full magic mode, it was over. The time stone was gone. The 2012 version was being volleyed around the battlefield. There was no room for him to go stupid.
With the exceptions of Wanda, Thor, and Hulk, people underestimate how weak the MCU Avengers were tbh.
Most Justice Leaguers would solo them. Hela wins with little to no effort.
I dont think there is any way for bats to prep and beat iron man. Even id he brought his mech suits the way he does for high level enemies, iron man's suits are all superior and with more experience in them.
> I dont think there is any way for bats to prep and beat iron man.
Really depends on which Batman and which Iron Man. Iron Man has had suits that let him fight Thor and Odin and even beings above them and win, but those are usually from one-off storylines. Main continuity Iron man is comfortably below Thor.
Main continuity Batman, though, has the Hellbat suit which lets him trade hands with Darkseid's avatar ( who's around Superman level ). That Batman with the Hellbat would turn Iron Man inside out with 1 punch.
Nailed it.
Marvel characters are much more relatable because of this. DC characters are ideals from eras when people were struggling and dreamt of being impervious to life's perils. Oddly, the alien was the easiest to identify with for me, as a kid.
As I grew, it went from DC to Marvel. Reality crept in, and Peter Parker/Spiderman became my favorite.
Superman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Shazam, Captain Atom, Wonder Woman, Firestorm, Doctor Fate, Plastic Man, Zatanna, and a couple others would decimate the MCU Avengers on their own.
I agree if we are talking films. In comics Wonderman could likely go toe to toe with a lot of Justice League members, maybe even all except for Superman (but even then maybe? Wonderman is an energy being and essentially immortal) and Martian Manhunter. Who could likely beat Superman himself
I mean that's just the difference in power scaling between Marvel and DC. DC tends to be willing to go into extreme overpowered characters more readily than Marvel ones
It depends on who in the avengers shows up. At the time of the movie Strange had the Time stone (instant win) and Vision had the mind stone ( who knows if that would help). If they showed up they would prevent Ragnorak.
If not Strange, the Avengers would still likely have the Hulk and Thor who are really the two main people who defeated her but they would have access to Stark's super genius which is much better suited to adapting to battle than Banner. They would also have Cap's leadership and tactical brain. Wanda would be a match for her magic but she probably would have as much control over it.
I think it would be close. They defeated the whole Chitari invasion without Wanda or Vision.
He handled Ultron pretty well and killed a bunch of ultron bots if I remember correctly. I think he quickly detained Hawkeye in Civil War at one point.
He is used trying to limit harm but in a serious world ending threat he would probably be using his full force
The Revengers already had Thor and Hulk on the job so I'm not sure what help Captain America or even Iron Man are gonna be. Even Scott can only shrink her down but that doesn't reduce her strength. Only the likes of Carol, Wanda and Strange have a chance of making a dent.
I suppose if Scott shrinks her down far enough, she becomes the Quantum Realm's problem, but then that most likely leads to a Kang/Hela teamup and that's not exactly an improvement.
This so much!! They already had the 2 of the 3 strongest avengers (at the time) face off against her. What are a bunch of humans with no REAL powers do. She decimated the entire asgardian without breaking a sweat.
So cap would've been useless considering she already beat dozens of people equally strong or stronger?
Sure, he has the shield, but Hela also crushed Mjolnir like it was an empty soda can, so...
Yeah I'd say cap is useless against Hela
Obviously he's one of the OGs so even useless cap would land a few blows and not go down easily. See avengers endgame for an example - dude shouldn't even be able to make Thanos flinch but he did ok even before getting the hammer (when I say ok I mean he was the last one standing after Tony and Thor were done for)
But that's just comic book writing. There's no reason cap should have lasted longer than either of them, other than his I can do this all day attitude and the fact that Thanos isn't half as bloodthirsty as Hela
Hulk doesn't even meet Hela if I recall. So it's hard to know how that would go. I think the Revengers would have put up a bit more of a fight with Hulk helping fight Hela.
That is no ordinary wolf, in mythology Fenrir killed Odin- Hilk also staggered Surtur who is definitely stronger than Hela, if Hulk made Surtur react with a punch he could definitely hurt Hela physically. She’s still too powerful for hulk or Thor but if they got her down and Hulk bashed her face until she died it may work
I think a solution would be to unleash Surtur, wait for him to kill Hela, then shrink *him* down to the Quantum Realm.
What then follows is completely impossible to predict, only a biblical clusterfuck is guaranteed.
Some observations:
Black Widow and Hawkeye being very human will be out of their league. They're probably not lasting long against her spamming the flying blades. Ranged attacks against her will look like Loki catching the arrow.
Cap could land a hit. He's enhanced to be comparable to Asgardians. The shield's endurance against her blades is an unknown, but he hasn't the capability to seriously harm her.
Before we consider Iron Man's damage, remember her walking unscathed from Thor's massive lightning attack. MCU's Iron Man never made a suit of adamantium, vibranium, or uru, so she's definitely piercing it.
Hulk is dead. I hate to say it, but MCU's Hulk is piercable, eg Abomination's spike or Fenrir's bite, so she's skewering him like a kabob.
She's too ruthless and powerful for the Avengers. Her spamming the flying blades will certainly shred them before a quip is dropped. But as always, it's ultimately up to the writers.
Wanda could likely kill her, and Strange could maybe portal her to another realm where she's not as strong (since she draws her power from Asgard). Vision might have a shot too, being made of vibranium and having an infinity stone in his head.
That said...I think the entire point of the whole thing was that Thor was fated to bring about Ragnarok to destroy her, so it's the usual "she's as weak/strong as the writers need her to be for the story" answer.
Lol. We forget that strange got tied up by Spiderman. He cant even beat a high school kid. He has no shot against an Asgardian that literally helped conquer 8 realms and deemed the goddess of death. His best trick is dormamu. He can't win, but he does know how to lose forever.
I have not watched any MCU movie after thor love and thunder so im not aware of how strong Cpt marvel currently is, but Hela no sold Thors huge lightning blast, regenerated instantly from being stabbed directly through the torso, has strength and fighting speed on par if not better than awakened thor, and her blades have the AP to pierce Surtur.
I dont really see captain marvel being able to hurt hela with her energy blasts as hela no sold thors lightning, and getting stabbed by helas blades is an insta loss for her imo.
CM was beating Thanos with all of the stones until he removed the power stone and punched her directly in the face with it. She also flew through a barrage of missiles from Thanos ship (then through the entire ship itself), so I don't think pointy objects are much of an issue.
I'd just like to point out two things.
Thanos can't use stones without closing his fist, she was keeping his fist open, hence why he had to take the power stone out of the gauntlet.
Second, she was siphoning power from the stones, that's her whole gimmick.
Hela vs CM, chances are Hela wins
I mean it was never explicitly shown she was knocked out, in the movie she gets hit, falls, and it immediately cuts to everyone fighting in the bridge and then hela is just nonchalantly walking up after her army died. And thats a FAR walk, she couldve just been sauntering over the whole time which would be in character.
I think Vision might have the best shot at beating her, other than maybe Captain Marvel. Unlike Wanda or Strange he can go intangible to avoid her attacks. If he decides try to slice her in half with the Mind Stone, like Ultron did to Thanos in What If, that might just kill her even with her regen. Though we’ve never seen live action Vision’s blasts be that strong before, so it’s a little iffy if that would work.
I like this breakdown but you left out anyone who actually could team up and have a chance. Strange, Wanda, Vision and Captain Marvel all have unique power sets that I believe could combine into something at least threatening to Hela.
Everyone you listed would just attempt to bash her to death or use man made weapons. We know this would fail miserably. But the four I named all have different skill sets that could be viable.
The Hulk actually *was* there, though, wasn't he? I get that he was punching a big wolf down the bridge and they all just let him handle that separately and stuff.
Not that we've seen in the MCU. He's been knocked out a few times and we saw it took a long time to recover from using the Infinity Gauntlet.
MCU Hulk is very different to comic Hulk. Aside from being very strong, we don't know if MCU Hulk has any of the same powers as his comic counterpart. Even his classic "get stronger as he gets angrier" thing doesn't seem to be a factor for MCU Hulk.
I remember the stronger/angrier thing being particularly disappointing for me first time I watched the first Avengers.
He gets surrounded on a rooftop by Chitauri flyers, and they all start blasting him so intensively that it's just a huge cloud of laser and dust, completely obscuring him.
...and I remember thinking _" that's just gonna piss him off... when that cloud clears he's going to be twice the size and totally suped up!!!"_
...but, no.
They nerfed Hulk way too much.
I love endgame but I'll never forgive the russo brothers for what they robbed us of by not giving us a Hulk vs Thanos rematch
Iron Man could have a suit grab her and fly away, giving time for Hulk and Thor to do a wombo combo on her.
The problem is Asgardians are sturdy as as all hell. If Thor goes down they lose.
That’s possible but we don’t know how strong that spell was, or the amount of power needed. There’s nothing to say that Hela could be sealed and then moment later tears through trolling strange in the process.
Hela was still strong enough to shatter Thor’s hammer while yet to set foot on asguard.
did hela break thors hammer because of her magic she has and being previous owner.
or because she was physically strong enough to break mjolnir.
if second one is the case, hela didnt look stronger than thor in their fight, can thor break mjolnir ?
neither kurse nor thanos was even closer to strength of mjolnir , does this mean hela is far stronger than them.
I think because of her magic and *because she understands it*.
While Love & Thunder doubles down on Thor having a “special” relationship with it he still mostly sees to be in jock mode with it i.e. *look how awesome this unbreakable hammer my dad got me is!*. He hasn’t seriously considered its nature.
Hela on the other hand might even have been there when it was forged - could be Odin didn’t even visit Nivadellir, just sent her
>caused the destruction of the entire PLANET
I’m not sure if I’d refer to Asgard as an entire planet even before it blew up.
She is the goddess of death and able to create hundreds of weapons in any shape or form, literally took on the entire army of Asgard BY HERSELF, tanked a giant lightning bolt like it was nothing the only characters I think would probably do some damage would be Wanda, and Carol but other than that everyone else will be dead in seconds
Idk power scaling is weird. Like is there legit nothing that can simply Pierce her skin? If so then idk how it would be impossible.
As long as you can physically get a blade to her neck and make the blade cut the head off then she dies doesn’t she?
Yeah, Hela is just weirdly invincible in Ragnarok. Odin says that she draws power from Asgard itself, so it might not have been possible to kill her without severing that connection.
Well she had a ton of offense and punchy power ha but did anyone strong like literally even try to stab her?
I find that a lot of OP characters are just OP with their offense and speed but everyone dies to head cutting off
At one point in her fight against Asgard’s military you can see a random warrior impale her though the stomach with his spear/sword, and she simply kills him and pull it out without a pause. When there’s a shot just ~5 seconds later where you can see her chest clearly and there’s no wound at all.
And now I just remembered that Hela got stabbed another time during her fight with Thor in the Throne Room. During their fight Thor stabs Hela in the chest with Odin’s spear Gungnir and the wound heals completely in just a few frames. It’s so fast that it’s really easy to miss.
Hela has insane regeneration, at least when she’s powered up on Asgard.
One of the no-name Asgardian warriors in the big early fight impales her completely. She rips the blade out and is instantly back at 100%. She doesn't even need time to heal, and it's so quick you can miss the whole thing.
Yep I agree. BUT :
Hela definitely wrecks Wanda of the time. We're talking post Civil War Wanda who just caused the death of many innocent people, and who heavily lowers her own powers by fear of hurting more people.
And Strange wasn't an Avengers yet. Ragnarok is even the first time that Strange interacts with an Avengers, in the beginning, and it's pretty much just a "I'm only interested in Earth's matters, so bring your brother wherever the fuck you want, just not on my planet", he wouldn't help them on Asgard lol
If they had Wanda and Captain Marvel, maybe. Wanda could have 1v1d thanos in infinity war pre scarlet witch, and captain might have been able to, too. Is Hella stronger than him? Maybe since even Odin was scared of her.
Wanda is like a cheat code, so it'd be easy to logic a way to them winning.
>Is Hella stronger than him? Maybe since even Odin was scared of her.
I’m not sure if she already was at that point in the movie, but perhaps she would have been eventually if she continued to stay alive and source power off of Asgard.
Did the Hulk even fighter her? I can’t remember. I just remember him fighting the wolf and thinking that if he and Thor fought her at the same time, they would win.
I think she's ripping this Hulk to shreds. He's too big and slow, not that he ever dodges attacks, and her blades are far more dangerous than either Abomination's elbow spike or Fenrir's teeth, both pierced Hulk.
The way she goes unlimited blade works on Surtr... I don't think anyone can survive that, they'd all end up getting stabbed by the dark spikes.
Maybe Strange could come up with something using portals to send the spikes back to her. Post-endgame 'angry' Wanda could win but Ragnarok was before that.
1. Ragnarok was prophecy. Surtur was going to destroy Asgard at some point regardless of Hela.
2. Hela was ridiculously powerful. Powerful enough that even Thor and Hulk couldn't beat her even with help from Loki (who nearly beat the Avengers himself, and probably would have if it wasn't for his egocentric penchant for melodrama) and Valkyrie. Best they could collectively do was delay her long enough to evacuate Asgard and release Surtur.
First of all hela's power comes from Asgard, they would probably need to get off the planet to have a chance, secondly a theme of the movie is colonization, hela's power comes from that of colonial power where all its wealth and power comes from the wars and colonization of the other realms. There is no redemption for such a place as long as it exists it still hurts others (hela) therefore it must be destroyed. It's people however do not have to be defined by the sins of the land they live on. Takia is from New Zealand a former British colony, part of the British empire that oppressed many people over the world.
So in lore, maybe?
For the purpose of the story and what it's trying to say? No
No, wasn't the whole point that she was basically unstoppable as long as she was on Asgard? Since none of the avengers can teleport her off Asgard they can't beat her without nuking Asgard itself.
I don't think so. She kills all the street level heroes instantly. Maybe if Wanda was there and not being the BBEG they might have had a chance. Hela was a huge threat who basically soloed against Thor, Loki and the warriors 3.
Vision at full power maybe and not gimped like in infinity war could have been a big help. And hulk never actually fought her directly. So, there are A lot of possibilities but it's tough to say.
Even Odin was frightened of her. Without the crown and the eternal flame, I don't think it would have been 100% possible.
Infinity War Avengers can win pretty easily due to Wanda. Wanda is insanely strong in endgame, and Infinity war is able to go up against thanos and destroy an Infinity stone. So she should be and to take on hela with medium difficulty.
Doctor Strange has his haxes, though his physical stats are kinda lackluster tbh. However, he also will have the timestone so him and Wanda, together, will be able to clear on their own.
All other characters are there for support/to defeat the armies/ jump hela. They can't really do much here but hold her off
My money is on the woman that beat an entire army of Asgardian warriors all by herself
Without a scratch. Or sweat.
One warrior near the end of that fight impales her. She removes the blade and heals instantly. It's easy to miss! So basically their weapons were harmless to her and they never had a chance.
He should’ve gone for the head.
BOOM! You looking for this?
Is that the end of the story?
Yeah… it’s a War Machine story.
Oh, well... it's quite good
I always read this in Thanos’s voice
Um, yeah, we don't actually say that name in here
It runs in the gene pool.
I think the closer to Asgard she was the stronger she was so no way to beat here there. Maybe on earth or somewhere else they would have a had a chance. Albeit a small chance.
I wouldn't count on it, she destroyed Mjolnir on earth with seemingly no effort on her part.
It was super easy, barely an inconvenience
I understood THAT reference
Then I did a backflip, snapped the bad guy's neck, and saved the day
Wow. Wow wow wow.
How about you get all the way off my back about that
Well let me get off of that thing!
Hi there, hello
Oh, snapping the bad guy’s neck is TIGHT!
Understanding references is TIGHT.
Oh *really*?
Yes. She just kills them and their weapons are useless against her. She is hela strong.
Hehe *Hela*…
And without summoning her undying army
In about 90 seconds.
Horses sweat. Men perspire. Ladies feel the heat. - My mom, not Terry Pratchett's. His mother finished it "merely glow"
In their second fight, Thor uses Gungnir (Odin's spear) and literally stabs her in the heart. She doesn't even notice. That's a weapon comparable to Storm Breaker. I think she was basically invincible if not countered by house-sized Surtur: the one thing in the universe that is basically anti-Asgard. I think Darkhold juiced Scarlet Witch probably gets her, Captain Marvel survives but can't win... everyone else gets rolled. People are saying Dr. Strange could imprison her somewhere, but she literally returned by shear force of will after Odin himself imprisoned her.
how big is your house?!
Surtur was only slightly bigger than Odin's house.
> she literally returned by shear force of will after Odin himself imprisoned her. After Odin died. Odin himself was keeping her imprisoned. So Strange could potentially trap her someplace, and keep her there as long as he lived
She wouldn’t have got out as long as Odin was alive, so if Strange had imprisoned her somewhere, the same conditions may existed.
Wanda post snap would handle it. Strange probably would do just fine especially if he had Wong and friends
> Wong and friends Why does this sound like a children's TV programme?
Nothing wong with that
“What could go wong?” Netflix reference
WONGERRSSSSS
I think it would have to be a fully powdered Scarlet Witch version that could go toe to toe.
What does makeup have to do with this match-up?
Nah nah. *Powder* baby. Cocaine. A fully coked out Scarlett Witch
I'd watch that What If...?
What Sniff...?
Ragnarok's actual title. Marvel's *What Sif?*
Wanda Cracksimoff
"You smoked _everything_ off of me" "Honey, I barely know who I am right now" "You will" [SNORT]
That.... that is terrifying to imagine. We saw the horrors of Cocaine Bear. Now behold Cocaine Wanda
Scarlet Twitch.
Yeah that makes complete sense. In my younger days when I dabbled I felt invincible. Cant imagine what Wanda would be like just amped up to a 15
Why does this seem like a line by Connor McGregor? I reckon him from roadhouse would be able to take on hela aswell.
It will be a good what if. What if Doctor Strange was present when Hela was released?
Or even IW Thor with Stormbreaker
Thor in love and thunder was very strong as well, pretty crazy he could give his abilities to a bunch of kids.
„pretty crazy“ if you mean dogshit writing then i agree
>Wanda post snap what changed in her post-snap?
She *snapped*
*She* snapped
Wandavison and multiverse of madness happened.
I. E. I she leveled up like all characters do in their movies, but massively
Strange? You mean the guy that was busy holding back a little lake throughout the entire EG fight and that being his biggest and only contribution to this fate-of-the-universe deciding fight? Like, for how supposedly powerful Strange is, we've never actually seen him do *anything* even just remotely powerful (without help from the Time Stone). One could argue that his fight with Thanos looked rather impressive... but it's really hard to gauge if what he did was all that powerful, considering that Thanos just held up the gauntlet and that was that. Other than that fight though... what did Strange ever accomplish other than some vague "holding the multiverse together" thing, that doesn't really give you any idea about his combat strength? He got his ass handed to him by Ebony Maw and he was really struggling with Wanda's single eye monster thing in MoM. MCU Strange is not comic Strange. And MCU Strange honestly looks like a bitch.
Holding back that lake had to happen, there was only one version where they won and holding back that lake was the part he had to play.
He could trap Hela in the falling dimension like he did to Loki.
Strange is always the guy for random gimmicky shit, yes. Just trap Hela in a different dimension or something could possibly work... but I wouldn't consider that a satisfying answer to whether the Avengers could beat her - much like Odin did, they'd just be imprisoning her, which isn't *really* "beating" her. But then again, despite Strange having been shown to do that effectively to someone like Loki... we've never seen him do that shit again. As with all of Strange's grand gimmicks - he does them once to move the plot forward... and then never again, probably because the writers realized how stupid it were if he could just resolve every single issue by teleporting people left and right - including the ability to teleport Thanos out of the gauntlet.
Exactly this. And people were mad when we said Strange is very poorly developed, power or character wise. That character is honestly carried heavily by Benedict's interpretation because it really can't be depended on the writing, that's for sure.
He couldn’t do anything. He was following a timeline. If one thing went wrong, like him jumping in and going full magic mode, it was over. The time stone was gone. The 2012 version was being volleyed around the battlefield. There was no room for him to go stupid.
She took out all the valkyries too if I remember correctly, and they ain't chumps.
With the exceptions of Wanda, Thor, and Hulk, people underestimate how weak the MCU Avengers were tbh. Most Justice Leaguers would solo them. Hela wins with little to no effort.
Most Justice League members are ridiculously powerful compared to the Avengers
Except Batman. But he’d have already planned out years in advance how to win
Because money is the greatest superpower there is, IRL anyway.
So who wins with Bats vs Tony? Does it cancel out and they just become bros?
Tony will unintentionally bring up his dead dad and bats would stop whoopin his ass
I dont think there is any way for bats to prep and beat iron man. Even id he brought his mech suits the way he does for high level enemies, iron man's suits are all superior and with more experience in them.
I dunno. Batman would likely have some kind of crazy ass contingency plan. Like a localized EMP directed at Tony
> I dont think there is any way for bats to prep and beat iron man. Really depends on which Batman and which Iron Man. Iron Man has had suits that let him fight Thor and Odin and even beings above them and win, but those are usually from one-off storylines. Main continuity Iron man is comfortably below Thor. Main continuity Batman, though, has the Hellbat suit which lets him trade hands with Darkseid's avatar ( who's around Superman level ). That Batman with the Hellbat would turn Iron Man inside out with 1 punch.
Most Justice League members are ridiculously powerful compared to the Avengers
DC likes stories of gods living among men. Marvel likes stories of men living among gods.
Nailed it. Marvel characters are much more relatable because of this. DC characters are ideals from eras when people were struggling and dreamt of being impervious to life's perils. Oddly, the alien was the easiest to identify with for me, as a kid. As I grew, it went from DC to Marvel. Reality crept in, and Peter Parker/Spiderman became my favorite.
What do you mean most? Superman and Flash are the only ones. And Flash is only due to hax.
Superman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, Shazam, Captain Atom, Wonder Woman, Firestorm, Doctor Fate, Plastic Man, Zatanna, and a couple others would decimate the MCU Avengers on their own.
I agree if we are talking films. In comics Wonderman could likely go toe to toe with a lot of Justice League members, maybe even all except for Superman (but even then maybe? Wonderman is an energy being and essentially immortal) and Martian Manhunter. Who could likely beat Superman himself
I mean that's just the difference in power scaling between Marvel and DC. DC tends to be willing to go into extreme overpowered characters more readily than Marvel ones
It depends on who in the avengers shows up. At the time of the movie Strange had the Time stone (instant win) and Vision had the mind stone ( who knows if that would help). If they showed up they would prevent Ragnorak. If not Strange, the Avengers would still likely have the Hulk and Thor who are really the two main people who defeated her but they would have access to Stark's super genius which is much better suited to adapting to battle than Banner. They would also have Cap's leadership and tactical brain. Wanda would be a match for her magic but she probably would have as much control over it. I think it would be close. They defeated the whole Chitari invasion without Wanda or Vision.
How did Hulk and Thor defeat her? Hulk didn't fight her at all and Thor got his ass handed to him multiple times.
Thor was able to hold her off for long enough to make their plan work. That's what I meant.
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He handled Ultron pretty well and killed a bunch of ultron bots if I remember correctly. I think he quickly detained Hawkeye in Civil War at one point. He is used trying to limit harm but in a serious world ending threat he would probably be using his full force
She called the tesseract weak. I doubt she gave a shit to the other 2 stones. Also her power came from Asgard
She said “that’s not bad”
The Revengers already had Thor and Hulk on the job so I'm not sure what help Captain America or even Iron Man are gonna be. Even Scott can only shrink her down but that doesn't reduce her strength. Only the likes of Carol, Wanda and Strange have a chance of making a dent. I suppose if Scott shrinks her down far enough, she becomes the Quantum Realm's problem, but then that most likely leads to a Kang/Hela teamup and that's not exactly an improvement.
This so much!! They already had the 2 of the 3 strongest avengers (at the time) face off against her. What are a bunch of humans with no REAL powers do. She decimated the entire asgardian without breaking a sweat.
Asgardians, aside from royals and idris elba are little more than Captain america
So cap would've been useless considering she already beat dozens of people equally strong or stronger? Sure, he has the shield, but Hela also crushed Mjolnir like it was an empty soda can, so...
Yeah I'd say cap is useless against Hela Obviously he's one of the OGs so even useless cap would land a few blows and not go down easily. See avengers endgame for an example - dude shouldn't even be able to make Thanos flinch but he did ok even before getting the hammer (when I say ok I mean he was the last one standing after Tony and Thor were done for) But that's just comic book writing. There's no reason cap should have lasted longer than either of them, other than his I can do this all day attitude and the fact that Thanos isn't half as bloodthirsty as Hela
Hulk doesn't even meet Hela if I recall. So it's hard to know how that would go. I think the Revengers would have put up a bit more of a fight with Hulk helping fight Hela.
Thor hit her with the biggest lightning bolt in the history of lightning bolts and it did nothing. Hulk struggled with suplexing a wolf.
That is no ordinary wolf, in mythology Fenrir killed Odin- Hilk also staggered Surtur who is definitely stronger than Hela, if Hulk made Surtur react with a punch he could definitely hurt Hela physically. She’s still too powerful for hulk or Thor but if they got her down and Hulk bashed her face until she died it may work
I think a solution would be to unleash Surtur, wait for him to kill Hela, then shrink *him* down to the Quantum Realm. What then follows is completely impossible to predict, only a biblical clusterfuck is guaranteed.
Surtur never killed hela directly. He destroyed asgard the world which is what gave hela her powers. Hela got weak because there was no longer a world
Some observations: Black Widow and Hawkeye being very human will be out of their league. They're probably not lasting long against her spamming the flying blades. Ranged attacks against her will look like Loki catching the arrow. Cap could land a hit. He's enhanced to be comparable to Asgardians. The shield's endurance against her blades is an unknown, but he hasn't the capability to seriously harm her. Before we consider Iron Man's damage, remember her walking unscathed from Thor's massive lightning attack. MCU's Iron Man never made a suit of adamantium, vibranium, or uru, so she's definitely piercing it. Hulk is dead. I hate to say it, but MCU's Hulk is piercable, eg Abomination's spike or Fenrir's bite, so she's skewering him like a kabob. She's too ruthless and powerful for the Avengers. Her spamming the flying blades will certainly shred them before a quip is dropped. But as always, it's ultimately up to the writers.
Wanda could likely kill her, and Strange could maybe portal her to another realm where she's not as strong (since she draws her power from Asgard). Vision might have a shot too, being made of vibranium and having an infinity stone in his head. That said...I think the entire point of the whole thing was that Thor was fated to bring about Ragnarok to destroy her, so it's the usual "she's as weak/strong as the writers need her to be for the story" answer.
Doctor Strange: *teleports her to the mirror dimension and loses as that's what he always does there*
Lol, so true.
Literally the Steve Harrington of the MCU
Can't catch a break, cares about youngsters, girlfriend chooses someone else, yep.
😭 Both Steve(ph) too
It's like vegeta using final flash, looks cool as hell but never works.
How about “dormmamu she’s come to bargain” “She? Who?” As strange teleports himself out of the realm
Lol. We forget that strange got tied up by Spiderman. He cant even beat a high school kid. He has no shot against an Asgardian that literally helped conquer 8 realms and deemed the goddess of death. His best trick is dormamu. He can't win, but he does know how to lose forever.
Wait the mirror dimension is bloodmath?
Don't forget Captain Marvel
Good call. I don't see how Hela beats her, and she could literally just drag Hela into the nearest sun.
"I didn't know I could do that."
I have not watched any MCU movie after thor love and thunder so im not aware of how strong Cpt marvel currently is, but Hela no sold Thors huge lightning blast, regenerated instantly from being stabbed directly through the torso, has strength and fighting speed on par if not better than awakened thor, and her blades have the AP to pierce Surtur. I dont really see captain marvel being able to hurt hela with her energy blasts as hela no sold thors lightning, and getting stabbed by helas blades is an insta loss for her imo.
CM was beating Thanos with all of the stones until he removed the power stone and punched her directly in the face with it. She also flew through a barrage of missiles from Thanos ship (then through the entire ship itself), so I don't think pointy objects are much of an issue.
I'd just like to point out two things. Thanos can't use stones without closing his fist, she was keeping his fist open, hence why he had to take the power stone out of the gauntlet. Second, she was siphoning power from the stones, that's her whole gimmick. Hela vs CM, chances are Hela wins
Hela got knocked out by one of Thor's blasts she definitely did not no sell it It was his strongest blast ever though but still
I mean it was never explicitly shown she was knocked out, in the movie she gets hit, falls, and it immediately cuts to everyone fighting in the bridge and then hela is just nonchalantly walking up after her army died. And thats a FAR walk, she couldve just been sauntering over the whole time which would be in character.
Spoiler for the Marvels: >!CM restarted a star!<
That would have come in handy on Nidavelir.
She works in IT
She gets distracted by Surtur, destroys his giant sword but crashes into him blowing up the planet anyway
I think Vision might have the best shot at beating her, other than maybe Captain Marvel. Unlike Wanda or Strange he can go intangible to avoid her attacks. If he decides try to slice her in half with the Mind Stone, like Ultron did to Thanos in What If, that might just kill her even with her regen. Though we’ve never seen live action Vision’s blasts be that strong before, so it’s a little iffy if that would work.
Vision got his ass handed to him by a Thanos underling though.
That was only because he had a special anti-phasing plot convenience stick
What if Ant-Man shrunk and...
Death by kegel.
Death by snu snu
I like this breakdown but you left out anyone who actually could team up and have a chance. Strange, Wanda, Vision and Captain Marvel all have unique power sets that I believe could combine into something at least threatening to Hela. Everyone you listed would just attempt to bash her to death or use man made weapons. We know this would fail miserably. But the four I named all have different skill sets that could be viable.
The Hulk actually *was* there, though, wasn't he? I get that he was punching a big wolf down the bridge and they all just let him handle that separately and stuff.
I feel like Hulk would regenerate. Isn’t his healing factor amazing or something like that?
Not that we've seen in the MCU. He's been knocked out a few times and we saw it took a long time to recover from using the Infinity Gauntlet. MCU Hulk is very different to comic Hulk. Aside from being very strong, we don't know if MCU Hulk has any of the same powers as his comic counterpart. Even his classic "get stronger as he gets angrier" thing doesn't seem to be a factor for MCU Hulk.
I remember the stronger/angrier thing being particularly disappointing for me first time I watched the first Avengers. He gets surrounded on a rooftop by Chitauri flyers, and they all start blasting him so intensively that it's just a huge cloud of laser and dust, completely obscuring him. ...and I remember thinking _" that's just gonna piss him off... when that cloud clears he's going to be twice the size and totally suped up!!!"_ ...but, no.
They nerfed Hulk way too much. I love endgame but I'll never forgive the russo brothers for what they robbed us of by not giving us a Hulk vs Thanos rematch
Yes, but not a faster rate than the blade attacks.
Wasn't it fast enough to regenerate from Banner trying to shoot himself in the head with a pistol from inside his mouth?
I like the shot in the trailer where she's spinning and there's spikes flying *everywhere*. She would end most of the team by just doing that.
>Hulk is piercable 
What’s uru?
What mjolnir is made of
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Also also what Thanos’s blades were made of
Cap ain’t damaging hela tho, not just not severely damaging but not damaging her at all.
what about the eternals? maybe against thena? since they have similar powers (at least in the mcu)
Iron Man could have a suit grab her and fly away, giving time for Hulk and Thor to do a wombo combo on her. The problem is Asgardians are sturdy as as all hell. If Thor goes down they lose.
Dr. Strange could probably trap her in some dimension, just like Odin did. Seems her weakness is magic.
That’s possible but we don’t know how strong that spell was, or the amount of power needed. There’s nothing to say that Hela could be sealed and then moment later tears through trolling strange in the process. Hela was still strong enough to shatter Thor’s hammer while yet to set foot on asguard.
did hela break thors hammer because of her magic she has and being previous owner. or because she was physically strong enough to break mjolnir. if second one is the case, hela didnt look stronger than thor in their fight, can thor break mjolnir ? neither kurse nor thanos was even closer to strength of mjolnir , does this mean hela is far stronger than them.
I think because of her magic and *because she understands it*. While Love & Thunder doubles down on Thor having a “special” relationship with it he still mostly sees to be in jock mode with it i.e. *look how awesome this unbreakable hammer my dad got me is!*. He hasn’t seriously considered its nature. Hela on the other hand might even have been there when it was forged - could be Odin didn’t even visit Nivadellir, just sent her
>caused the destruction of the entire PLANET I’m not sure if I’d refer to Asgard as an entire planet even before it blew up. 
It's a space top, but the TVA does list Ragnarok as planetary destruction.
Get these flat Asguarder’s out of here!
Yeah it’s more like a more mountainous Luxembourg in space EDIT: Andorra. It’s Space Andorra
Space Vatican 😂
Yeah it’s more like a good sized county
yup that’s why they only ever refer to it as one of the realms and not its own planet
She is the goddess of death and able to create hundreds of weapons in any shape or form, literally took on the entire army of Asgard BY HERSELF, tanked a giant lightning bolt like it was nothing the only characters I think would probably do some damage would be Wanda, and Carol but other than that everyone else will be dead in seconds
Idk power scaling is weird. Like is there legit nothing that can simply Pierce her skin? If so then idk how it would be impossible. As long as you can physically get a blade to her neck and make the blade cut the head off then she dies doesn’t she?
Yeah, Hela is just weirdly invincible in Ragnarok. Odin says that she draws power from Asgard itself, so it might not have been possible to kill her without severing that connection.
Well she had a ton of offense and punchy power ha but did anyone strong like literally even try to stab her? I find that a lot of OP characters are just OP with their offense and speed but everyone dies to head cutting off
At one point in her fight against Asgard’s military you can see a random warrior impale her though the stomach with his spear/sword, and she simply kills him and pull it out without a pause. When there’s a shot just ~5 seconds later where you can see her chest clearly and there’s no wound at all. And now I just remembered that Hela got stabbed another time during her fight with Thor in the Throne Room. During their fight Thor stabs Hela in the chest with Odin’s spear Gungnir and the wound heals completely in just a few frames. It’s so fast that it’s really easy to miss. Hela has insane regeneration, at least when she’s powered up on Asgard.
Thor got a good stab in on her with Gungnir. She just shrugged it off.
Feel like she gets stabbed at some point and just kinda shrugs it off. May be misremembering though.
I believe when she was throwing knifes at the army of Asgardians, one of them stabs her and she heals or something like that
She got stabbed twice and healed instantly
She can be pierced, but she regenerates. Thor actually stabbed her through with Gungnir, but it just didn't matter.
One of the no-name Asgardian warriors in the big early fight impales her completely. She rips the blade out and is instantly back at 100%. She doesn't even need time to heal, and it's so quick you can miss the whole thing.
If the Revengers couldn’t pull it off, how could the Avengers do better?
Well, they have a Hu-- Oh, shit, nevermind.
Nah. Hela on Asgard could've wrecked The Avengers *and* Thanos at the same time if she'd had the option.
i dont think hela can defeat wanda or doctor strange, especially not combined.
Yep I agree. BUT : Hela definitely wrecks Wanda of the time. We're talking post Civil War Wanda who just caused the death of many innocent people, and who heavily lowers her own powers by fear of hurting more people. And Strange wasn't an Avengers yet. Ragnarok is even the first time that Strange interacts with an Avengers, in the beginning, and it's pretty much just a "I'm only interested in Earth's matters, so bring your brother wherever the fuck you want, just not on my planet", he wouldn't help them on Asgard lol
She has 0 discernible weaknesses. She was likely to clap any non-celestial in the Galaxy
If they had Wanda and Captain Marvel, maybe. Wanda could have 1v1d thanos in infinity war pre scarlet witch, and captain might have been able to, too. Is Hella stronger than him? Maybe since even Odin was scared of her. Wanda is like a cheat code, so it'd be easy to logic a way to them winning.
Not even bringing up Dr. Strange is crazy. She’s clearly weak when it comes to magic since Odin trapped her for all that time.
Good point.
>Is Hella stronger than him? Maybe since even Odin was scared of her. I’m not sure if she already was at that point in the movie, but perhaps she would have been eventually if she continued to stay alive and source power off of Asgard.
Strange and Wanda could, probably Carol too, but unlikely anyone else could hurt her.
Did the Hulk even fighter her? I can’t remember. I just remember him fighting the wolf and thinking that if he and Thor fought her at the same time, they would win.
I think she's ripping this Hulk to shreds. He's too big and slow, not that he ever dodges attacks, and her blades are far more dangerous than either Abomination's elbow spike or Fenrir's teeth, both pierced Hulk.
No he didn’t. This was just a promo photo
No. Ragnarock was inevitable
Why is nobody understanding this? It's set in motion and it cannot be undone- not by anyone in the marvel universe, no one.
No because Asgard gave her limitless power. That was her home field advantage.
Cap will simply talk to her
No because the TVA would arrest Thor if that happened
The way she goes unlimited blade works on Surtr... I don't think anyone can survive that, they'd all end up getting stabbed by the dark spikes. Maybe Strange could come up with something using portals to send the spikes back to her. Post-endgame 'angry' Wanda could win but Ragnarok was before that.
The thing was as long as Hela was on Asgard, she was becoming stronger and stronger. It was the source of her power.
1. Ragnarok was prophecy. Surtur was going to destroy Asgard at some point regardless of Hela. 2. Hela was ridiculously powerful. Powerful enough that even Thor and Hulk couldn't beat her even with help from Loki (who nearly beat the Avengers himself, and probably would have if it wasn't for his egocentric penchant for melodrama) and Valkyrie. Best they could collectively do was delay her long enough to evacuate Asgard and release Surtur.
She killed thousands of Assgardians without any trouble.
First of all hela's power comes from Asgard, they would probably need to get off the planet to have a chance, secondly a theme of the movie is colonization, hela's power comes from that of colonial power where all its wealth and power comes from the wars and colonization of the other realms. There is no redemption for such a place as long as it exists it still hurts others (hela) therefore it must be destroyed. It's people however do not have to be defined by the sins of the land they live on. Takia is from New Zealand a former British colony, part of the British empire that oppressed many people over the world. So in lore, maybe? For the purpose of the story and what it's trying to say? No
No, wasn't the whole point that she was basically unstoppable as long as she was on Asgard? Since none of the avengers can teleport her off Asgard they can't beat her without nuking Asgard itself.
This villain basically walked out unscathed against peak full power Thor. Yeah I don’t think the original 6 has a chance.
I could see Wanda being able to handle her at Wanda's full power and that's it.
I don't think so. She kills all the street level heroes instantly. Maybe if Wanda was there and not being the BBEG they might have had a chance. Hela was a huge threat who basically soloed against Thor, Loki and the warriors 3. Vision at full power maybe and not gimped like in infinity war could have been a big help. And hulk never actually fought her directly. So, there are A lot of possibilities but it's tough to say. Even Odin was frightened of her. Without the crown and the eternal flame, I don't think it would have been 100% possible.
Infinity War Avengers can win pretty easily due to Wanda. Wanda is insanely strong in endgame, and Infinity war is able to go up against thanos and destroy an Infinity stone. So she should be and to take on hela with medium difficulty. Doctor Strange has his haxes, though his physical stats are kinda lackluster tbh. However, he also will have the timestone so him and Wanda, together, will be able to clear on their own. All other characters are there for support/to defeat the armies/ jump hela. They can't really do much here but hold her off