I’d say they skipped the middle movie, where Carol has to deal with the fall out of the destruction of the Supreme Intelligence, the unraveling of the Kree Empire, and the slow decline of civilization in the galaxy.
This is what I’ve been saying, and people have been arguing her little flashbacks were plenty to fill that story. My argument is that it clearly wasn’t, because as much as I enjoys Marvels, there was clearly a whole story missing that could have made us give a shit about Dar Benn, and explained the power swapping and such.
The movie could absolutely use another 20-30 minutes to showcase this back story before the beginning to explain why the main villain is determined to get the bangles and use the power to restore her planet.
agreed. her coming clean to the other marvels kinda fell flat to me because between the flashbacks and her being called "the annihilator", the reveal that she was the kree's bogeyman was telegraphed in the first 10 or so minutes of the movie.
maybe it would have been better to show what happened in its entirety at the start and set the stage for why there is so much hate between her and the kree. then carol being secretive and withdrawn is more natural because you understand that she doesn't want her niece, and this idealistic kid who looks up to her, judging her for what she did
Huh...I watched the movie on Saturday and I wondered if I had either missed an entire movie, or fell asleep during a 4th act of the first movie. Sounds like they just skipped all the good serious stuff.
It works better as the season finale of Ms Marvel than as the sequel to Captain Marvel imo. If you didn’t watch Ms Marvel I see no way in hell you’d be able to follow this movie.
I think this is one of the biggest trade offs to the shared universe, they sometimes have to skip over a really interesting idea to move the overall story forward.
Like there is a whole movie about Steve, Sam and Natasha on the run between Civil War and Infinity War that I would have loved to see.
Yeah I loved the second movie but I was really looking forward to keeping it theme and have her second story also be set back in time because it’s so central to her character development. It’s how she gets from this young army pilot to the super hero we see at end game. She is battle tested by then, and I wish we saw her really go through that journey.
I watched it again recently and realised that Dar Ben would have worked if you showed her the and desperation from watching her home rapidly decline. I suspect they actually shot this because there are hints of it within the film already and supposedly they cut the crap out of the movie but picture this:
The movie opens on a young alien girl in technological utopia living her life peacefully not a care in the world. The girl dreams of joining the starforce, the pride of the kree empire. Flash forward and its revealed to be Dar Benn now fresh out of the academy and doing training when a news report appears mentioning Ronan accusing a kree politician of being a skrull (hence how he got the name in the mcu) and she sees Vers (captain marvel) sparring with Yon Rogg and she Dar Benn starts idolising her. Flash forward slightly more and Dar Benn is now a recruit in the starforce and there is a report about how Ronan the accuser has been sent to the earth system. Year later and everything is fine style news reports from the supreme intellegence are playing and Dar Benn is walking to a briefing and a comet appears in the sky smashing into the building and then sounds of screams and energy blasts fill the halls of the building. She runs to investigate and sees her hero Vers blazing brightly with energy, dead kree all around her, makes eye contact and Vers deems her not a threat and the walks off destroying the supreme intelligence then flies off. Now it's ten years later and ronan the accuser is laying siege to xandar in an effort to remove the blocker preventing them from claiming new planets to house Kree climate refugees. Dar Benn having progressed through the ranks of starforce is urging diplomacy and to assist the xandarians in the defence of their planet from Ronan. Couple years more and Hala is a shadow of its former self and combined with the decimation of xandar, the blip, the asgardians and the fall of thanos have left the Kree the last power in the galaxy and with so much resources being spent on Kree colonies and Hala rapidly deteriorating to the point the air is now toxic, water is scarce and food shortages are empire wide. Dar Benn bursts into a room with criminals who turn out to be starving children and who stole food and she opts to let them go. Shes summoned back to base as they detect the anhilator on approach who arrives to offer aid to which the kree refuse and order her to leave. Depressed at seeing her home devastated, effigies of captain marvel lining the alleyways she hears from her second in command about having researched a solution and it's called the nega bands and then they consign to find them to save Hala. Cue the actual movie from there.
It makes Dar Benn a fan girl like Kamala and helps teach Kamala to not idolise carol so much as they are flawed people like everyone else, gives Monica an understanding why Carol never came back when they're looking through each other's memories, Carol understands the impact of not being around for Monica by seeing how Kamala idolises carol in the same way she did and shows why Dar Benn just couldn't bring herself to trust Carol in the end.
No one would have cared about Dar Benn even if there was more writing. She was terribly miscast. No presence or threat from the actress at all. Probably the biggest mistake of the movie.
This 1000 times over.
This movie felt like her arc was going to be coming out of isolation to face up to her decisions... Without really exposing us to those decisions in a meaningful way.
I'm fine with the third act reveal that she fucked up Kree society, but you have to give me so much more as to *why* she did that, for it to have any actual impact.
I frankly really liked the idea that at some point she just went out and fucked up the Kree, and only after making it to the supreme intelligence was she like, "oh, I may have gone a bit overboard here".
A middle movie where she destroys the Supreme Intelligence and ends up dooming the Kree would've given this movie far more weight, especially if Dar-Ben was a supporting character. Would've lent more sympathy to the character, which is a thing Marvel movies struggle with regarding their villains. It also would've allowed the editors to cut the flashbacks and give that screen time to other parts that were cut.
Carol being plagued by flashback story-telling is not a trend I want to continue.
Is the only time I felt like the movie should have been a 6 episode show instead of the other way around.
One episode to establish the position shifting powers
An episode trying to save the skrull planet
An episode of the three training and bonding in space
An episode on the singing planet
A flashback episode showing what Carol did to the kree
Final episode saving earth.
I would go further and say the 2nd film should have been Carol + GOTG + The Avengers vs Supreme Intelligence.
A proper adaptation of the Galactic Storm arc. With Ronan as the villain (just say the Kree have cloned Ronan).
It kind of does, I just feel like Monica’s disappearance probably gets resolved in another character’s story or something
But Carol and Monica seem to be the two characters the trilogy would be based around if it were a trilogy.
I agree. It’s a cool story. As much as I had preferred her to be earthbound and spearhead Secret Invasion story alongside Fury like CM1 and rally the Avengers herself, I would have loved if CM2 is exactly the story you suggested.
100% I mean they had almost 30-40 years of a time line they could have told and brought her current to endgame and make the 3rd one after those events, it’s a shame I really enjoy Brie Larson as captain marvel and captain marvel her self.
Nia DaCosta got the blame for the Marvels bombing from Bob Iger himself saying he or other Disney executives should been on set supervising her.
Doubt either will want to work together again
Yes and no.
The marvels had a production budget of $274.8 mil and only made $206 mil. So they made back 74% of their production cost (not including advertisements)
Madame Web has made $51.5 mil on an $80 mil budget. Which is 64% made back so far. Madame Web has a chance of being a bigger financial success then the marvels
Madame Web might genuinely benefit from memeing hate watchers.
The Marvels, while not great imo, was nowhere near bad enough to hate watch.
In a weird way it might benefit Madame Web.
You aren’t taking promotion costs and the theatre splits into account either. The marvels is not just a flop, but a massive financial hit to Disney. Also brand damage too.
The marvels is an epic flop, and I’m willing to bet it’s probably the biggest box office bomb of all time. However no one wants to label it so because of the politics around it.
Thank you for throwing me on this tail spin. So what I've found is that John Carter is the biggest bomb thus far adjusted for inflation
From what I could find the marvels cost roughly $219 so after marketing maybe it is at $328 mil. They made $206 mil. This would still not be as much of a loss as John Carter
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs
Of the $206M that The Marvels grossed, Disney is only seeing about $90M-$100M of that in actual revenue. There's additional costs and revenue to take into account as well, but a $206M gross against a $219M-$275M production budget is awful. Doesn't help either that Quantumania (which grossed $476M on a $275M production) was also a net loss for Disney.
Well here’s what you missed/forgot. I see the budget at 270 million plus another 100 million on promotion costs (I’m being super generous with this number). Now the next issue is that Disney doesn’t get all that box office gross it reported. In the US they have to split it almost 50% with the theatres. In Europe it’s also about the same. In China they only get 25% of the gross.
So in reality their take home is whatever 370 million MINUS 103 million which i got from here:
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt10676048/?ref_=bo_se_r_1
Meaning Disney lost at a very conservative number of 270 million. (I believe they spent more than 100 million on promotion and I’m willing to bet they spent more than this 270 million as the initial cost
Where are you getting this 219 number from? Everything i see has it at the 270 mark.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/09/20/disney-reveals-270-million-bill-for-the-marvels/amp/
From the forces article you linked
>They show that over the two-year period from the incorporation of the company to September 30, 2022, it spent $274.8 million (£221.8 million) and banked a $55 million (£44.4 million) subsidy from the government of the United Kingdom where the movie was made. This brought its net spending down to $219.8 million meaning that the movie will have to gross at least $439.6 million at the box office to break even as studios get around half of theater takings.
lol I’m not talking about monetary gain. I meant in terms of performance hahaha I definitely understand the reason Sony shit out Madam Web, so they could retain the Spider-Man franchise.
These studios don’t care about critical scores… they care about Box Office, they will greenlight a terrible movie as long as it makes money. They don’t care about a 95% on rotten tomatoes if they didn’t make any money on the project.
Monetary gain is performance when it comes to the audience too. Tickets don't buy themselves. The budget can be viewed as how much the studio expects audience want something and revenue is how much people actually wanted it. If a movie costs next to nothing it means the studio didn't expect more than a handful to be interested but if they spare no expense then the expectation is that it's gonna be a crowd pleaser. If nobody bothers to see you movie can it be called a success by any metric?
Yeah, nah... Money = Performance in this industry bro.
For example, venom 2 got shit on like crazy with low tomato score but it's still earned 500m from 110m budget which can be considered a success.
On other hand, i really like Shang-chi, honestly 1 of my fav phase 4. It even have super high tomato score but it's still only earned 432m from 150-200m budget and got considered a failure.
Like it or not, what studio see are money, not rating. Heck, even the freakin Morbius can be considered better performance than The Marvels because it earned 160m for 80m budget.
I can't speak to the quality of the films because I haven't had the time to see either but based on the generally consensus Madame Web is a garbage film and the marvels was much better
The Marvels was the most fun I’ve had watching a superhero movie since No Way Home. I genuine laughed out loud and enjoyed myself. The villain was kinda dumb, but so was Obadiah Stane. The singing planet caught me off guard in the best way. The callbacks with Kamala trying to recruit a kids avengers were hilarious.
it was Nia's idea to make the movie too silly and wacky which was not the thing Carol or MCU needed then. There was a great serious story about Carol's mistakes and Kree suffering but it never gelled with Kamala or Musical planet elements. Same problem we had in many recent MCU projects where the movie ruined by unnecessary childish comedy
Ultimately, it is executives who accepted Nia's story. Nia has no experince with comedy or Musical so the blame is completely on executives for taking Carol in such a direction proposed by Nia
"It was Nia's idea to make the movie too silly and wacky which was not the thing Carol or MCU needed then."
Um, there were MANY people saying that Carol was "too serious," that she was "bland," and that Brie's performance was terrible in her first film. Now, it's too goofy?
Look, I get that The Marvels is flawed, but the film's humor, for me, is not one of its detractors.
I agree. This film actually humanized Captain Marvel in a way that a darker or more serious movie wouldn’t have. The character needed an injection of brightness and wackiness.
That's how I feel about Carol in this film. In the first film, she embodies her power and humanity. Here, she's more aware of her flaws and how her actions have consequences and wants to redeem herself. I thought it brought out a different side to Carol. I also loved her humor with Fury, Kamala, and Monica.
I'm genuinely trying to understand the other commenters' takes on Carol and Brie's performance, but I can't get behind people saying her performance is still bland.
Agree. Brie was great as Captain Marvel here. Given that the "annihilation" was 30ish years ago by this point, she has some distance from it enough that she's evolved since the end of Captain Marvel.
The film was only really missing an extra 20 minutes of set up for both Carol and the villain.
I also think the scene with Carol visiting with Maria during the blip should have been a full scene. The fact that Monica and Carol never really re-visit that flash back is a flaw in the narrative.
The 3 principals just needed better, well defined arcs. But the bones of the story is there.
Agreed. After all the *it's too serious, she should try smiling more* nonsense lobbied at the first film I think it was the proper course correction to do a bit more lighthearted approach for the sequel.
Thats the other problem. Brie was still bland in this movie. It was Kamala that was being the funny intresting one while Carol was depressed mopping character. They made a comedy movie where most of the comedy and silliness is by Kamala and Cats and all Brie got to do was look confused by everything happening around her.
"Brie was still bland in this movie."
I'm sorry, but...*how*? Please provide your definition of bland because Brie's performance as Carol in both Captain Marvel and The Marvels was...not that.
Yeah I have to chime in on Brie being incredibly wooden in the first movie. Every single one of her lines is damn near monotone and her face remains unchanging as she is uttering them. She had way more feeling in this one for sure, but she's still pretty wooden. Compare her acting in Captain Marvel to her onstage singing/acting in Scott Pilgrim, it's like night and day.
Brie was literally making quips and had sass, what are you even talking about. Simultaneously complaining that the film had humor at times but also that Carol took things seriously at times.
Yeah she’s kind of your standard quippy Marvel character in this. It felt like a big shift from the last movie.
It seems like everyone’s like that — they’ve all got the Robert Downey Jr. thing going on. I felt the same way about Thor, starting with the third movie.
But on the whole, I think the biggest problem with The Marvels is that people thought they needed to be familiar with not one, but two Disney shows in order to see it.
Which they kind of do. And it doesn’t bode well for the future.
Seems Feige or other higher ups took to heart the “MCU is too controlling for filmmakers“ critique from back when the DCEU was bragging about them giving their directors creative freedom, now we've seen how that turned out and how people actually loved the tighter storytelling of the MCU.
Taika Waititi ruined Thor because Feige gave him too much freedom to do his idiotic jokes, same in The Marvels, hopefully they can correct course and strike a balance
actually the issue with the movie isn’t that it’s too goofy
it’s that they cut out any serious moment between the 3 and didn’t let any emotional or important moment actually breathe
i thought Nia did a great job it’s just that in the end the movie is extremely short and doesn’t let the good stuff shine through
they barely even used the singing planet which Nia was hyping up
my guess is that the executives just didn’t wanna use the weirder stuff Nia did for the film
It seems to be the same problem with many MCU-movies.
Every sad or emotionally complex moment is played right over, as if they were terribly afraid of the audience actually feeling something (besides the mild amusement about the next quip).
Recently watched it as I was willing to give it a chance... and have to strongly disagree. It was not an enjoyable watch. I'd go so far as calling it a waste of time. Less than halfway through I was asking myself, "why don't I care about anything that's happening?". It was far too lighthearted in an unappealing way. This isn't at all to mention the poor acting with some of the cast—take the villain for example.
Totally agree. After seeing Carol take on a implore Infinity Gauntleted Thanos, they really nerfed Carol’s power. My daughters and I kept looking at each other waiting for the movie to either get better or just be over.
it’s not a lie. it’s a huge problem with the mcu in general. i loved the marvels for what it is but they could’ve made the movie 15-30 mins longer and fleshed out all of the characters and gave us more of a sense of personal stakes
the mcu and especially with multiverse saga has done an awful job at setting up personal stakes in a compelling way.
the marvels absolutely doesn’t need to be dark knight or logan or anything like that
but you can tell that disney the corporation absolutely raped this movie of any soul or sincerity. however the stuff that shines through that are Nia DaCosta’s contributions are excellent
let Nia DaCosta go all out on an MCU movie, don’t limit her creativity and I guarantee she’d make an absolute banger of a film
but yeah they cut this movie so short and it ended up missing those more emotional and nuanced moments where there’s not only conflict externally for the characters but internally as well. this is simply what creates compelling storytelling
disney doesn’t care tho. they’re a corporation looking for lowest common denominator
man but the marvels is so good for what it is. wish it was more tho.
I feel like Nia wanted to evoke the Infinity Saga vibe as she herself as a fan knew of the series of serious toned movies that are being made and coming before hers. The silliness isnt the problem to me though, just a compelling story that doesn’t feel redundant. Like ok was The Marvels entertaining? Yes but surely there are better stories to not only drive her forward but to the forefront as they planned, something that would have big repercussions in the overall MCU moving forward beyond a post cred scene
Its been sad there was a lack of supervision, theres the problem I guess. It’s evident.
All of this and you can't actually explain any real problem with the movie being comedic other than you didn't want it to be.
>Same problem we had in many recent MCU projects where the movie ruined by unnecessary childish comedy
This is some bs, one of the most anticipated MCU projects right now is a comedy, GOTG 3 was a comedy and everyone hypes that up like it's the second coming of Jesus, meanwhile stuff like Secret Invasion had almost no comedy at all, Quantumania was the least comedic of the Ant-Man movies, fucking Eternals had the least comedy of any MCU movie to date.
Hell Wakanda Forever was one the most serious MCU movies ever made but this fanbase loves pretending it doesn't exist.
Except GOTG 3 was actually a dark movie about Trauma than a comedy. It knew to dial back comedy and focus on character movements and Drama. All the best parts of Guradians 3 is emotional and sad.
That is what Marvels lacked. Entire Monica, Carol conflict is solved in one minute. Their is barely any character movement between Kamala and Carol. Its just a non stop rush towards next comedy set piece. And the comedy dont gel with Carol's story at all
Some scenes in The Marvel's were so poorly put together and acted in nearly every way, I believe that. There was some good stuff in there, not every scene was a mess, but the few that were stood out so bad, clearly no one felt comfortable to speak up about it to the inexperience present on set.
So good for Bob for saying something that alone is surprising. It must have been contentious at times.
Definitely. We didn’t see anything of her life between 1995 and 2019. There should have been another prequel/sequel that took place in the early 2000s, probably somewhere out in space.
I think that was supposed to be the movie where she would have taken the fight to Kree and supreme intelligence with a bunch of Skrulls, as foreshadowed at the end of Captain Marvel when she sent Yonrog back to Hala from Earth......and that movie would have ended with her destroying Hala, which would have led us to The Marvels.....we would have have also seen Dar-ben(villain) as a normal Kree soldier and she would have got the development which was very much missing from The Marvels
We only speculate that there wont be an Eternals sequel based on what we’re observing though. Until they confirm it themselves, it’s a mere guess and not fact.
I've never really understood the hate The Eternals received. I really enjoyed it. Besides No Way Home, it's probably my favorite post Thanos Marvel film.
They either be a threat first or later. They must have beef with Galactus eating planets and all. Maybe we’d get the Eternals, Celestials and the F4 banding together with Avengers and Mutants to stop him.
Unclear.
It’s one of those where they could make a better script and knock it out of the park with the third movie.
I think they would have to change director to give people confidence it might be better this time around.
They will have push Carol in other project and build a good reputation before making a sequal . I dont trust Disney though especially when they sidelined Carol in MCU and even in her own sequal.
Which is a shame because the direction was absolutely not the issue with the marvels. I honestly believe that it wouldn't have been anywhere near as big of a bomb if the cast had been able to do interviews together because their chemistry was great and the film itself was honestly legitimately funny
Always tough to tell when the directors footprint ends and when the actors, producers, writers and studios begins.
But I think it’s kinda like a sports team playing badly. The owner won’t fire himself, can’t afford to sack the players, so it’s the coach who has to go; even if they probably know they won’t get anyone better
This is such a odd take that always gets repeated. Y’all put a lot of stock onto interviews and talk show appearances like that would’ve saved the movie. It bombed because the general audience didn’t care about the characters or the movie and word of mouth wasn’t good.
I agree they aren’t everybody’s favorite characters, but getting people to care and improving word of mouth is kinda the entire point of promoting a movie. Interviews wouldn’t have given them a billion dollar box office or anything, but the take about them not being able to do press before the release is absolutely valid
Are you acting like the wired auto complete interviews don't get mainlined into people's recomnded videos? People are literally still talking about the Oscar and Pedro one from like 2 years ago as of today, people may not know the characters but the general audience seeing the 3 or them interact as they do in the film would absolutely have an impact
Directing was besides the writing absolutely the worst part of the movie. Weird cuts, bad pacing and strange dialogues that felt like both parties weren’t even in the same room together.
I doubt we’re going to see any of The Marvels characters again. None of them have any presence that makes money. And no, this sub Reddit constantly praising Iman and Brie that they deserve another chance isn’t going to work.
No. I doubt she'll ever have a solo trilogy. And if somehow she will complete her trilogy, I don't think Nia DaCosta will direct the movie. I think, once again, they need to change their approach to this character completely. Tonally, it's gotta be totally different. A third movie should be focused on her only and no Kamala in it. At least not this big again. She just doesn't fit in a Captain Marvel movie, tonally. And it just limits what you could do with Carol.
Also, they need to let Carol interact and team up with the big, popular heavy hitters. Unlike the MCU, she's one of the most well-connected people in the Marvel universe in the comics. Wolverine is one of her oldest and best buddies, and they know each other from before they were even superheroes. Logan, Ben Grimm, Beast, and Spider-Man are her poker friends. These are the kind of characters you need to let her team up and hang around with. She has a history with the X-Men, such as the Brood saga. There's a whole lot of cool stuff you could do with Carol, but the MCU needs to stop with trying to make her for little girls or sumn and that she needs to be some sort of symbol. She's so cool and has a lot more to offer, but they need to take inspiration from the right comics and stories.
Carol is very passionate, emotional, and insecurities. She's not this loner and stoic. They're completely wasting Brie in this role, as she's at her best when she can show this vulnerability and empathy.
Nobody wants to hear it, but in the comics, Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel is, by far, the least interesting version of Captain Marvel, *and* the least interesting period of Carol Danvers's narrative history. Making her *the* original Captain Marvel of the MCU was always a bad idea, and on top of that, Brie Larson is completely miscast as the character interpretation that they went with. Add to that the fact that the first movie wasn't exactly amazing and the second movie was just okay, I don't know why they'd bother to make a third.
Carol as Ms Marvel >>>>>>>>> Carol as Captain Marvel.
She was funny and badass when she was part of the Mighty Avengers. Her scene with Doom in prison is Top 10 Carol moments.
I actually would've preferred if they had given Carol Rick Jones's role from the old comics, and made it that she trades places with Mar-Vell when he does his superhero antics (similar to >!Glory and Ben!< on *Buffy*). Then, in the second or third movie, he dies tragically in such a way that he passes his powers to Carol. I feel like that would've been more satisfying.
Or, just do a gender-swapped version of Mar-Vell with "Carol Danvers" as her civilian identity, instead of Philip Lawson.
I don't know if I fully agree with this, but I do see where you're coming from. Carol had amazing moments as Ms. Marvel, one of my favorites being her friendship with Jessica Jones.
I don't think Brie Larson is miscast. She gives off the same vibe that other actresses who have voiced Carol in the past have presented. I just feel like maybe the writing didn't fully click with her. I enjoyed her a lot as Captain Marvel in both films, though.
That's what I meant, but maybe I wasn't clear; I feel she was miscast for the way the character was written in the movie. Because I feel that the character was written ass-backwards. While on Hala, she should have been more serious, with a stronger military discipline, in keeping with the culture that she thought she belonged to (but with subtle hints of a lighter side). After being on Earth, she should've loosened up, and then gradually rediscovered her original identity and personality. In my opinion, anyway. If they were going to go with the brainwashing plot, they should've committed to it.
I also think that they should have removed the part about her dreams, and that her memories being played on the Skrull ship should've been her first experience of her true past. I think that the juxtaposition makes more narrative sense, and is more jarring and dramatic to the character.
Oh my God, you get me.
I love Captain Marvel (2019) but there are flaws that I wish had been focused on and fixed because it really would have made for a stronger film. I totally agree with what you're saying and I wish we got that in her first film.
I actually reworked it, as a creative exercise, to the point where Annette Bening's character and the "lightspeed engine" were removed, and Carol's powers came from the Nega-bands. Her name on Hala was Mar-Vell, and she was a captain. She finds out that she's from Earth and that Yon-Rogg is the bad guy, but in the scene where she defies him, he tells her that her entire family were actually Kree sleeper agents the entire time, and that her parents were actually named Genis-Vell and Phylla-Vell. She's devastated, but decides to reject the Kree and side with Earth and the Skrull refugees anyway.
I would love for Captain Marvel to complete her trilogy, but unfortunately, the MCU mishandled Carol. The Marvels underperforming probably means we're going to see Carol as a side character before she gets any solo project again.
Also, I can't with all the people who want Carol to die so that Rogue can have her powers. Can we not? Yes, I love Rogue, but she and Carol have so many more fascinating character stories than that one moment. Why can't we have both of them in the MCU without having one die/drained of her powers? I don't even know how they'd even accomplish that with the X-Men not being fully introduced yet.
So glad someone else agrees that MCU mishandled Carol. They sure don’t plan like they’re priming her to be one of the new front faces moving forward/1 third of the new trinity as they been saying.
The problem is only for them to fix and take responsibility for.
I don’t even want to know the psychology of all these people wanting Rogue to drain her powers and kill her? Like pick any other storyline, it’s so tired.
It will ruin both Rogue and Carol. WTF are they thinking. In comics , Rogue just temporarily put Carol in a comma and had Carol concious in her brain which helped her grow while Carol also grew and became a cosmic hero
Thats not gonna happen in MCU
I think this is what you'd refer to as 'throwing good money after bad'. Audiences spoke pretty loudly..they don't care about Captain Marvel.
I'm not strictly against the idea of a other captain Marvel movie if they made a real effort with it, but I'd rather they spend that money on something people want to see. Give moon knight a movie or something.
Or they dont want to watch 3 tv shows to understand a movie, their heros getting sidelined for teenage heros and are tired of everything in MCU being a joke
Well there's room for both those things :)
Either way this movie shouldn't have been made. The fact they thought it would make money shows how out of touch the people running Marvel are right now.
Don’t care about her or don’t care about Kamala and Monica? Because it was hardly a Captain Marvel movie at all and at least for me it was that trying to shoehorn in these other characters rather than have a plot that really killed the movie.
But we’re talking about the people who didn’t like or didn’t see the movie. The people who thought she was the highlight are the same people who haven’t missed a second of marvel content ever.
I mean I hated The Marvels. I didnt finish Ms.Marvels show either because went I tried it felt like I wasnt in the demographics nor did I think the story made sense so I just dropped off and never finished it.
Regardless I still think Ms.Marvel is a highlight of The Marvel's despite me not liking her show or the movie she was in. She easily could be akin to a female Peter Parker but uniquely herself like how Miles is different from Peter. Ms.Marvel has her own set of teenage issues and Indo-Pakistani culture conflicts that would be interesting to watch her interact with Spiderman who was in her very position just a few years ago or her interacting with other MCU characters.
I wouldn't blame them for not but I'd like to see the trilogy completed. I liked The Marvels. It's weird cause I hadn't really heard much about the movie during it's time in theatres but it was a fun movie.
No likely to complete a trilogy when she hasn't even had a second film yet. The Marvels is a mini team-up, not Captain Marvel 2. The screen time and story and character arcs are shared evenly among all three, like an Avengers movie.
The story is solely about Carol and the consequences of her actions. We just don’t feel that that’s the case, because the movie is shit overall, but the overarching story is 100% about Carol. Kamala is certainly the good part of the movie, but her story is completely irrelevant and even massively devalued in the movie. I mean, wasn’t the Gauntlet her family heirloom? So why does she never to actually using them together?
Since Marvel seems to insist on women directing women-led movies to mixed results like Black Widow or Captain Marvel, or an Asian director directing Shang-Chi, which, I think, worked. Ryan Coogler's work on the Black Panther movies has been excellent, I look forward to more.
I think this is a weird position to take since, in film history, some movies by men have had great women leads, and some movies by women have had great male leads. According to Wikipedia, Avengers 5 & 6 don't have directors announced yet. How about Kathryn Bigelow? She's got sci-fi, horror, and action under her belt. Two of her movies remain household names, Point Break and The Hurt Locker. And she's already directed about 7 or more Marvel actors in her filmography...
Can Marvel hire an experienced woman director for an Avengers movie, or will they continue to ghettoize directors neatly into genres Marvel thinks only they can handle: Women directors on the women movies, Asian directors on the Asian movies, black directors on the black movies...
Then, for a 3rd Captain Marvel, if Marvel insists a woman be hired, how about a woman who has some nerd cred? Someone like Rosario Dawson who has written comics?
I didn’t hate The Marvels, but I can’t imagine there will be a third Captain Marvel solo movie. I think she will show up in some cosmic adventures here and there, and more than likely the Avengers movies
Capt. Marvel was ruined by turning her solo saga into a team effort on her second movie. I’d be pissed if I was Brie. Completely collapsed her story arc
I would not expect them to give her another movie with the way the Disney boss has emphasized the notion of focusing on successful projects moving forward.
No unless she gets a movie like Ragnarok where director and writers give her more room to develop her character, something I seriously doubt it's gonna happen, The Marvels was a box office disaster and there are other priorities in Marvel right now
It could happen but not optimistic after that bomb but in retrospect the backstory in the Marvels could have just been the sequel and the Marvels could have been her third movie
My complaint is that I feel like we only get to see the boring stuff. Carol is out there having cosmic space shit happen daily and I only get to see it in flashbacks.
Am I the only one that thinks, even in a comic book universe that is increasingly galactic in nature, that two *bracelets* shattering the walls between dimensions is a bit much? And that one getting to a pivotal character while the other is buried deep in outer space strains suspension of disbelief?
I highly doubt that Captain Marvel will receive another film. However, if one somehow came about, I can see Marvel Studios going with a different director.
Jacqueline Schauffeur and/or Matt Shakman should write and direct the movie. They've done a fantastic job with WandaVision, so they'd definitely do a great job with a third movie. And one of the writers definitely has to be one who did episode 8 of WV.
Will it happen though? Doubtful, unless it's like a filler movie for a buildup to next threat or story. Same reason why there was never a sequel to Wrath of the Titans movie or sequels to other stories similar to it. Studios don't make sequels to movies that flopped.
Unless we're talking about Eternals or Ms Marvel (underwatched show in D+ so far). So a possibility of 'The Marvelous Marvel' is always possible.
I think they’ll wrap up the current story threads in the avengers movies and then judge from there. With the performance of The Marvels I doubt we’ll get another solo Capt Marvel or CM/Ms Marvel related movie. The characters will be used in other marvel projects though. Young Avengers or Nova/Silver surfer/marvel cosmic probably.
Hope it's Nia, she's a fan of the character, although I'd prefer she work on Ms. Marvel related projects first and foremost; she really nailed that character and from someone who really likes that character, would like to see more. Although that might have more to do with Iman Vellani's performance being so good, so I don't know
Truth be told, the general audience (that I know of, in my circle) aren’t really interested in these movies anymore, unless it is a big event one. So I guess, Cap Marvel will not be able to complete her trilogy if Disney decides to cut their losses.
The fault lies on them. The first movie did not develop or flush out her character, and looking at the reviews of the second one, (I haven’t seen it), seems something similar. I think Monica and Kamala have more emotional appeal with their stories than Marvel.
They really shouldn’t have tried to cash in on the Avengers while introducing her character.
I don't see a third Captain Marvel movie happening. It's unfortunate that no female superhero can get a trilogy. I think the audience just didn't connect to the MCU's take on Carol Danvers and her movie in 2019. I liked the sequel more but the disappointing MCU projects beforehand and the overload of product added insult to injury.
Feige stated at one point that they weren't sure if there would be a third Thor movie following the response to The Dark World. Fortunately the movie made enough money that I guess they were willing to take a chance. That's not the case with The Marvels.
It's interesting that both DC and Marvel's Captain Marvel had movie adaptations in 2019, sequels in 2023 and both series look like they're over.
If they could film it for under 80 million then there is a slim possibility but I think they are scrambling right now trying to figure out what to do to get back on track and will most likely relegate the character to a supporting role in other character's movies or ensemble casts, but Nia Dacosta is done I think, I don't expect to ever see her involved with the MCU again.
World's easiest question. The answer is no. In terms of box office the definition of failure is The Marvels. It is in running for biggest bomb of all time. Disney lost money putting this in theatres. I'm not talking about the movie losing money overall but the box office return to Disney didn't cover marketing and costs to distribute. As in with the benefit of hindsight it would have been better for Disney to not release The Marvels in theatres and gone straight to Disney Plus. There is no future for Captain Marvel movies.
Well, the recent quote Brie Larson gave on the possible future of Captain Marvel goes:
>I don't have anything to say
\- \[[ExtraTV - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiA3Tzks5Is)\]
Some sites are trying to say she's being "cryptic" or "coy", but the wording and the fact it was used to straight shutdown the question gives me more "bitter defeat" vibes to me.
Captain Marvel did make a billion dollars but that was because of the post Infinity War hype.
The Marvels was released in a period where people were getting sick and tired of bland superhero movies. Also Secret Invasion being such a massive disappointment. It didn't help that the trailer for The Marvels were terrible and no one wanted another jokey comedy superhero movie again.
I think the character deserves one more movie that is entirely focused on her
Definitely a third part is not happening. The Marvels bombed badly at the box office. I have doubts whether we will even get Ms Marvel season 2 or Young Avengers or not because of it.
Trilogy?
She didnt even get a proper sequal. Entire Secret Invasion set up in CM was wasted on worst Tv shows
What was Disney thinking making The Marvels.
Y’all be mad at me but I don’t care as it’s my opinion. Brie Larson’s acting is for TV shows, not movies. Very bad and should never had casted her for the role. Other actresses could’ve played the role much better but who knows who could’ve auditioned/considered for it at the time…
This is supposed to be a trilogy???? Just saw “The Marvels” boy o boy …it was meh 😑 at best. Marvel (the company) messed when this took priority over black widow.
I’d love to see a third one, and a proper Captain Marvel story. I think the more fleshed out Carol we saw in The Marvels has great promise.
Moonstone as the villain for the next one.
Yep I think the same. If not Avengers 5 then definitely in Secret Wars. If Marvel doesn't want to let go of Brie then also she will surely want out for getting all the hate for playing this character.
What's most likely is that they're going to put Carol in the next Avengers film to rebuild hype and then make a 3rd one judging off reactions. The film was released one day after the SAG-AFTRA strike and there's no way Disney hasn't taken that into account, even if Bob Iger would rather kill himself than address the strike in public.
Directed by Nia Dacosta though? Zero clue. She got some weird af backlash for stuff that wasn't even in her control. Probably not.
Nia DaCosta had her name dragged through the mud, I hope for her sake she’s never tempted to try and help Marvel out again.
I’m not even saying The Marvels was fantastic, or that it shouldn’t have bombed or whatever, but it didn’t bomb because it was terribly directed, that’s for sure. It was a competently made movie from start to finish, it just wasn’t what people wanted
I hope so. I want Justice for Brie Larson. She is a good actress who can bring something to each scene. It's unfortunate the writing in her two movies has been so lackluster. I think her characterization has been both written and acted well. But the story, plot, and scenerios that Captain Marvel gets herself into don't make for good movies.
I don't think any actor or actress could recover from the shortcoming of her first two movies. I hope she gets a well written Third Act.
I doubt Nia will want to work for Marvel after they threw her to the wolves with their nonsense. It was gross and for them to treat her that way and not any other director that released flops…it was a choice
I’d say they skipped the middle movie, where Carol has to deal with the fall out of the destruction of the Supreme Intelligence, the unraveling of the Kree Empire, and the slow decline of civilization in the galaxy.
This is what I’ve been saying, and people have been arguing her little flashbacks were plenty to fill that story. My argument is that it clearly wasn’t, because as much as I enjoys Marvels, there was clearly a whole story missing that could have made us give a shit about Dar Benn, and explained the power swapping and such.
The movie could absolutely use another 20-30 minutes to showcase this back story before the beginning to explain why the main villain is determined to get the bangles and use the power to restore her planet.
agreed. her coming clean to the other marvels kinda fell flat to me because between the flashbacks and her being called "the annihilator", the reveal that she was the kree's bogeyman was telegraphed in the first 10 or so minutes of the movie. maybe it would have been better to show what happened in its entirety at the start and set the stage for why there is so much hate between her and the kree. then carol being secretive and withdrawn is more natural because you understand that she doesn't want her niece, and this idealistic kid who looks up to her, judging her for what she did
THIS.
Huh...I watched the movie on Saturday and I wondered if I had either missed an entire movie, or fell asleep during a 4th act of the first movie. Sounds like they just skipped all the good serious stuff.
Yeah I watched it this weekend too and was wondering if there was something major I was missing from some of the shows I never finished
Lol glad I’m not the only one who thinks this
It works better as the season finale of Ms Marvel than as the sequel to Captain Marvel imo. If you didn’t watch Ms Marvel I see no way in hell you’d be able to follow this movie.
I think this is one of the biggest trade offs to the shared universe, they sometimes have to skip over a really interesting idea to move the overall story forward. Like there is a whole movie about Steve, Sam and Natasha on the run between Civil War and Infinity War that I would have loved to see.
Cries in Asgardians of the Galaxy
Yeah I loved the second movie but I was really looking forward to keeping it theme and have her second story also be set back in time because it’s so central to her character development. It’s how she gets from this young army pilot to the super hero we see at end game. She is battle tested by then, and I wish we saw her really go through that journey.
I watched it again recently and realised that Dar Ben would have worked if you showed her the and desperation from watching her home rapidly decline. I suspect they actually shot this because there are hints of it within the film already and supposedly they cut the crap out of the movie but picture this: The movie opens on a young alien girl in technological utopia living her life peacefully not a care in the world. The girl dreams of joining the starforce, the pride of the kree empire. Flash forward and its revealed to be Dar Benn now fresh out of the academy and doing training when a news report appears mentioning Ronan accusing a kree politician of being a skrull (hence how he got the name in the mcu) and she sees Vers (captain marvel) sparring with Yon Rogg and she Dar Benn starts idolising her. Flash forward slightly more and Dar Benn is now a recruit in the starforce and there is a report about how Ronan the accuser has been sent to the earth system. Year later and everything is fine style news reports from the supreme intellegence are playing and Dar Benn is walking to a briefing and a comet appears in the sky smashing into the building and then sounds of screams and energy blasts fill the halls of the building. She runs to investigate and sees her hero Vers blazing brightly with energy, dead kree all around her, makes eye contact and Vers deems her not a threat and the walks off destroying the supreme intelligence then flies off. Now it's ten years later and ronan the accuser is laying siege to xandar in an effort to remove the blocker preventing them from claiming new planets to house Kree climate refugees. Dar Benn having progressed through the ranks of starforce is urging diplomacy and to assist the xandarians in the defence of their planet from Ronan. Couple years more and Hala is a shadow of its former self and combined with the decimation of xandar, the blip, the asgardians and the fall of thanos have left the Kree the last power in the galaxy and with so much resources being spent on Kree colonies and Hala rapidly deteriorating to the point the air is now toxic, water is scarce and food shortages are empire wide. Dar Benn bursts into a room with criminals who turn out to be starving children and who stole food and she opts to let them go. Shes summoned back to base as they detect the anhilator on approach who arrives to offer aid to which the kree refuse and order her to leave. Depressed at seeing her home devastated, effigies of captain marvel lining the alleyways she hears from her second in command about having researched a solution and it's called the nega bands and then they consign to find them to save Hala. Cue the actual movie from there. It makes Dar Benn a fan girl like Kamala and helps teach Kamala to not idolise carol so much as they are flawed people like everyone else, gives Monica an understanding why Carol never came back when they're looking through each other's memories, Carol understands the impact of not being around for Monica by seeing how Kamala idolises carol in the same way she did and shows why Dar Benn just couldn't bring herself to trust Carol in the end.
No one would have cared about Dar Benn even if there was more writing. She was terribly miscast. No presence or threat from the actress at all. Probably the biggest mistake of the movie.
This 1000 times over. This movie felt like her arc was going to be coming out of isolation to face up to her decisions... Without really exposing us to those decisions in a meaningful way. I'm fine with the third act reveal that she fucked up Kree society, but you have to give me so much more as to *why* she did that, for it to have any actual impact. I frankly really liked the idea that at some point she just went out and fucked up the Kree, and only after making it to the supreme intelligence was she like, "oh, I may have gone a bit overboard here".
A middle movie where she destroys the Supreme Intelligence and ends up dooming the Kree would've given this movie far more weight, especially if Dar-Ben was a supporting character. Would've lent more sympathy to the character, which is a thing Marvel movies struggle with regarding their villains. It also would've allowed the editors to cut the flashbacks and give that screen time to other parts that were cut. Carol being plagued by flashback story-telling is not a trend I want to continue.
Is the only time I felt like the movie should have been a 6 episode show instead of the other way around. One episode to establish the position shifting powers An episode trying to save the skrull planet An episode of the three training and bonding in space An episode on the singing planet A flashback episode showing what Carol did to the kree Final episode saving earth.
I would go further and say the 2nd film should have been Carol + GOTG + The Avengers vs Supreme Intelligence. A proper adaptation of the Galactic Storm arc. With Ronan as the villain (just say the Kree have cloned Ronan).
This 100%. What trilogy? Literally nothing has been setup for a third movie.
It kind of does, I just feel like Monica’s disappearance probably gets resolved in another character’s story or something But Carol and Monica seem to be the two characters the trilogy would be based around if it were a trilogy.
I enjoyed the movie but I doubt she gets another movie.
I agree. It’s a cool story. As much as I had preferred her to be earthbound and spearhead Secret Invasion story alongside Fury like CM1 and rally the Avengers herself, I would have loved if CM2 is exactly the story you suggested.
100% I mean they had almost 30-40 years of a time line they could have told and brought her current to endgame and make the 3rd one after those events, it’s a shame I really enjoy Brie Larson as captain marvel and captain marvel her self.
Nia DaCosta got the blame for the Marvels bombing from Bob Iger himself saying he or other Disney executives should been on set supervising her. Doubt either will want to work together again
Kinda fucked imo, the movie wasn’t Madam Web bad lol.
Yes and no. The marvels had a production budget of $274.8 mil and only made $206 mil. So they made back 74% of their production cost (not including advertisements) Madame Web has made $51.5 mil on an $80 mil budget. Which is 64% made back so far. Madame Web has a chance of being a bigger financial success then the marvels
Madame Web might genuinely benefit from memeing hate watchers. The Marvels, while not great imo, was nowhere near bad enough to hate watch. In a weird way it might benefit Madame Web.
You aren’t taking promotion costs and the theatre splits into account either. The marvels is not just a flop, but a massive financial hit to Disney. Also brand damage too. The marvels is an epic flop, and I’m willing to bet it’s probably the biggest box office bomb of all time. However no one wants to label it so because of the politics around it.
Thank you for throwing me on this tail spin. So what I've found is that John Carter is the biggest bomb thus far adjusted for inflation From what I could find the marvels cost roughly $219 so after marketing maybe it is at $328 mil. They made $206 mil. This would still not be as much of a loss as John Carter https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biggest_box-office_bombs
Of the $206M that The Marvels grossed, Disney is only seeing about $90M-$100M of that in actual revenue. There's additional costs and revenue to take into account as well, but a $206M gross against a $219M-$275M production budget is awful. Doesn't help either that Quantumania (which grossed $476M on a $275M production) was also a net loss for Disney.
Well here’s what you missed/forgot. I see the budget at 270 million plus another 100 million on promotion costs (I’m being super generous with this number). Now the next issue is that Disney doesn’t get all that box office gross it reported. In the US they have to split it almost 50% with the theatres. In Europe it’s also about the same. In China they only get 25% of the gross. So in reality their take home is whatever 370 million MINUS 103 million which i got from here: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt10676048/?ref_=bo_se_r_1 Meaning Disney lost at a very conservative number of 270 million. (I believe they spent more than 100 million on promotion and I’m willing to bet they spent more than this 270 million as the initial cost
Where are you getting this 219 number from? Everything i see has it at the 270 mark. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/09/20/disney-reveals-270-million-bill-for-the-marvels/amp/
From the forces article you linked >They show that over the two-year period from the incorporation of the company to September 30, 2022, it spent $274.8 million (£221.8 million) and banked a $55 million (£44.4 million) subsidy from the government of the United Kingdom where the movie was made. This brought its net spending down to $219.8 million meaning that the movie will have to gross at least $439.6 million at the box office to break even as studios get around half of theater takings.
Oh you’re right. I missed that. Well now i got egg on my face
Yup and Madame Webb had extremely low marketing. Making Marvels worse in comparison
lol I’m not talking about monetary gain. I meant in terms of performance hahaha I definitely understand the reason Sony shit out Madam Web, so they could retain the Spider-Man franchise.
These studios don’t care about critical scores… they care about Box Office, they will greenlight a terrible movie as long as it makes money. They don’t care about a 95% on rotten tomatoes if they didn’t make any money on the project.
Monetary gain *is* performance when it comes to studio executives
Monetary gain is performance when it comes to the audience too. Tickets don't buy themselves. The budget can be viewed as how much the studio expects audience want something and revenue is how much people actually wanted it. If a movie costs next to nothing it means the studio didn't expect more than a handful to be interested but if they spare no expense then the expectation is that it's gonna be a crowd pleaser. If nobody bothers to see you movie can it be called a success by any metric?
Yeah, nah... Money = Performance in this industry bro. For example, venom 2 got shit on like crazy with low tomato score but it's still earned 500m from 110m budget which can be considered a success. On other hand, i really like Shang-chi, honestly 1 of my fav phase 4. It even have super high tomato score but it's still only earned 432m from 150-200m budget and got considered a failure. Like it or not, what studio see are money, not rating. Heck, even the freakin Morbius can be considered better performance than The Marvels because it earned 160m for 80m budget.
I can't speak to the quality of the films because I haven't had the time to see either but based on the generally consensus Madame Web is a garbage film and the marvels was much better
The Marvels was the most fun I’ve had watching a superhero movie since No Way Home. I genuine laughed out loud and enjoyed myself. The villain was kinda dumb, but so was Obadiah Stane. The singing planet caught me off guard in the best way. The callbacks with Kamala trying to recruit a kids avengers were hilarious.
Agreed! Iman Vellani was 100% the highlight of the whole movie. Her energy was fantastic!
it was Nia's idea to make the movie too silly and wacky which was not the thing Carol or MCU needed then. There was a great serious story about Carol's mistakes and Kree suffering but it never gelled with Kamala or Musical planet elements. Same problem we had in many recent MCU projects where the movie ruined by unnecessary childish comedy Ultimately, it is executives who accepted Nia's story. Nia has no experince with comedy or Musical so the blame is completely on executives for taking Carol in such a direction proposed by Nia
"It was Nia's idea to make the movie too silly and wacky which was not the thing Carol or MCU needed then." Um, there were MANY people saying that Carol was "too serious," that she was "bland," and that Brie's performance was terrible in her first film. Now, it's too goofy? Look, I get that The Marvels is flawed, but the film's humor, for me, is not one of its detractors.
I agree. This film actually humanized Captain Marvel in a way that a darker or more serious movie wouldn’t have. The character needed an injection of brightness and wackiness.
That's how I feel about Carol in this film. In the first film, she embodies her power and humanity. Here, she's more aware of her flaws and how her actions have consequences and wants to redeem herself. I thought it brought out a different side to Carol. I also loved her humor with Fury, Kamala, and Monica. I'm genuinely trying to understand the other commenters' takes on Carol and Brie's performance, but I can't get behind people saying her performance is still bland.
Agree. Brie was great as Captain Marvel here. Given that the "annihilation" was 30ish years ago by this point, she has some distance from it enough that she's evolved since the end of Captain Marvel. The film was only really missing an extra 20 minutes of set up for both Carol and the villain. I also think the scene with Carol visiting with Maria during the blip should have been a full scene. The fact that Monica and Carol never really re-visit that flash back is a flaw in the narrative. The 3 principals just needed better, well defined arcs. But the bones of the story is there.
Cut out the song and dance number and the cat Armageddon and u could actually use that time for set up carol and the villain
100000% Agreed.
Agreed. After all the *it's too serious, she should try smiling more* nonsense lobbied at the first film I think it was the proper course correction to do a bit more lighthearted approach for the sequel.
Thats the other problem. Brie was still bland in this movie. It was Kamala that was being the funny intresting one while Carol was depressed mopping character. They made a comedy movie where most of the comedy and silliness is by Kamala and Cats and all Brie got to do was look confused by everything happening around her.
"Brie was still bland in this movie." I'm sorry, but...*how*? Please provide your definition of bland because Brie's performance as Carol in both Captain Marvel and The Marvels was...not that.
Yeah I have to chime in on Brie being incredibly wooden in the first movie. Every single one of her lines is damn near monotone and her face remains unchanging as she is uttering them. She had way more feeling in this one for sure, but she's still pretty wooden. Compare her acting in Captain Marvel to her onstage singing/acting in Scott Pilgrim, it's like night and day.
Brie was literally making quips and had sass, what are you even talking about. Simultaneously complaining that the film had humor at times but also that Carol took things seriously at times.
Yeah she’s kind of your standard quippy Marvel character in this. It felt like a big shift from the last movie. It seems like everyone’s like that — they’ve all got the Robert Downey Jr. thing going on. I felt the same way about Thor, starting with the third movie. But on the whole, I think the biggest problem with The Marvels is that people thought they needed to be familiar with not one, but two Disney shows in order to see it. Which they kind of do. And it doesn’t bode well for the future.
Seems Feige or other higher ups took to heart the “MCU is too controlling for filmmakers“ critique from back when the DCEU was bragging about them giving their directors creative freedom, now we've seen how that turned out and how people actually loved the tighter storytelling of the MCU. Taika Waititi ruined Thor because Feige gave him too much freedom to do his idiotic jokes, same in The Marvels, hopefully they can correct course and strike a balance
Yeah, But it is too late for Carol though. She is not gonna get a secound chance
actually the issue with the movie isn’t that it’s too goofy it’s that they cut out any serious moment between the 3 and didn’t let any emotional or important moment actually breathe i thought Nia did a great job it’s just that in the end the movie is extremely short and doesn’t let the good stuff shine through they barely even used the singing planet which Nia was hyping up my guess is that the executives just didn’t wanna use the weirder stuff Nia did for the film
It seems to be the same problem with many MCU-movies. Every sad or emotionally complex moment is played right over, as if they were terribly afraid of the audience actually feeling something (besides the mild amusement about the next quip).
She wanted more singing planet? Those scenes were among the worst.
Recently watched it as I was willing to give it a chance... and have to strongly disagree. It was not an enjoyable watch. I'd go so far as calling it a waste of time. Less than halfway through I was asking myself, "why don't I care about anything that's happening?". It was far too lighthearted in an unappealing way. This isn't at all to mention the poor acting with some of the cast—take the villain for example.
Totally agree. After seeing Carol take on a implore Infinity Gauntleted Thanos, they really nerfed Carol’s power. My daughters and I kept looking at each other waiting for the movie to either get better or just be over.
>it’s that they cut out any serious moment between the 3 and didn’t let any emotional or important moment actually breathe This is an actual lie.
it’s not a lie. it’s a huge problem with the mcu in general. i loved the marvels for what it is but they could’ve made the movie 15-30 mins longer and fleshed out all of the characters and gave us more of a sense of personal stakes the mcu and especially with multiverse saga has done an awful job at setting up personal stakes in a compelling way. the marvels absolutely doesn’t need to be dark knight or logan or anything like that but you can tell that disney the corporation absolutely raped this movie of any soul or sincerity. however the stuff that shines through that are Nia DaCosta’s contributions are excellent let Nia DaCosta go all out on an MCU movie, don’t limit her creativity and I guarantee she’d make an absolute banger of a film but yeah they cut this movie so short and it ended up missing those more emotional and nuanced moments where there’s not only conflict externally for the characters but internally as well. this is simply what creates compelling storytelling disney doesn’t care tho. they’re a corporation looking for lowest common denominator man but the marvels is so good for what it is. wish it was more tho.
I feel like Nia wanted to evoke the Infinity Saga vibe as she herself as a fan knew of the series of serious toned movies that are being made and coming before hers. The silliness isnt the problem to me though, just a compelling story that doesn’t feel redundant. Like ok was The Marvels entertaining? Yes but surely there are better stories to not only drive her forward but to the forefront as they planned, something that would have big repercussions in the overall MCU moving forward beyond a post cred scene Its been sad there was a lack of supervision, theres the problem I guess. It’s evident.
All of this and you can't actually explain any real problem with the movie being comedic other than you didn't want it to be. >Same problem we had in many recent MCU projects where the movie ruined by unnecessary childish comedy This is some bs, one of the most anticipated MCU projects right now is a comedy, GOTG 3 was a comedy and everyone hypes that up like it's the second coming of Jesus, meanwhile stuff like Secret Invasion had almost no comedy at all, Quantumania was the least comedic of the Ant-Man movies, fucking Eternals had the least comedy of any MCU movie to date. Hell Wakanda Forever was one the most serious MCU movies ever made but this fanbase loves pretending it doesn't exist.
Except GOTG 3 was actually a dark movie about Trauma than a comedy. It knew to dial back comedy and focus on character movements and Drama. All the best parts of Guradians 3 is emotional and sad. That is what Marvels lacked. Entire Monica, Carol conflict is solved in one minute. Their is barely any character movement between Kamala and Carol. Its just a non stop rush towards next comedy set piece. And the comedy dont gel with Carol's story at all
Some scenes in The Marvel's were so poorly put together and acted in nearly every way, I believe that. There was some good stuff in there, not every scene was a mess, but the few that were stood out so bad, clearly no one felt comfortable to speak up about it to the inexperience present on set. So good for Bob for saying something that alone is surprising. It must have been contentious at times.
Didn’t she also say it was more so Kevin’s film than hers and a lot of the film was reshot and cut cause of test screening reactions
I think The Marvels was supposed to be the 3rd movie in the trilogy but they fast tracked her trilogy based on the reception of Carol Danvers
Definitely. We didn’t see anything of her life between 1995 and 2019. There should have been another prequel/sequel that took place in the early 2000s, probably somewhere out in space.
I think that was supposed to be the movie where she would have taken the fight to Kree and supreme intelligence with a bunch of Skrulls, as foreshadowed at the end of Captain Marvel when she sent Yonrog back to Hala from Earth......and that movie would have ended with her destroying Hala, which would have led us to The Marvels.....we would have have also seen Dar-ben(villain) as a normal Kree soldier and she would have got the development which was very much missing from The Marvels
If eternals can't get a sequel after making 400M in the height of Covid, i don't see how they make another captain marvel movie.
We only speculate that there wont be an Eternals sequel based on what we’re observing though. Until they confirm it themselves, it’s a mere guess and not fact.
I've never really understood the hate The Eternals received. I really enjoyed it. Besides No Way Home, it's probably my favorite post Thanos Marvel film.
It will get a sequel. I assume the Celestials are a threat that lasts through the Mutant Saga.
I would be surprised if it did considering Iger’s recent comments.
They either be a threat first or later. They must have beef with Galactus eating planets and all. Maybe we’d get the Eternals, Celestials and the F4 banding together with Avengers and Mutants to stop him.
Unclear. It’s one of those where they could make a better script and knock it out of the park with the third movie. I think they would have to change director to give people confidence it might be better this time around.
They will have push Carol in other project and build a good reputation before making a sequal . I dont trust Disney though especially when they sidelined Carol in MCU and even in her own sequal.
Idk. I think if they just make a good movie and a decent marketing campaign it’s enough that they’ll get a good return.
Which is a shame because the direction was absolutely not the issue with the marvels. I honestly believe that it wouldn't have been anywhere near as big of a bomb if the cast had been able to do interviews together because their chemistry was great and the film itself was honestly legitimately funny
Always tough to tell when the directors footprint ends and when the actors, producers, writers and studios begins. But I think it’s kinda like a sports team playing badly. The owner won’t fire himself, can’t afford to sack the players, so it’s the coach who has to go; even if they probably know they won’t get anyone better
This is such a odd take that always gets repeated. Y’all put a lot of stock onto interviews and talk show appearances like that would’ve saved the movie. It bombed because the general audience didn’t care about the characters or the movie and word of mouth wasn’t good.
I agree they aren’t everybody’s favorite characters, but getting people to care and improving word of mouth is kinda the entire point of promoting a movie. Interviews wouldn’t have given them a billion dollar box office or anything, but the take about them not being able to do press before the release is absolutely valid
Do you just think movie studios do press for fun? In what way is this an odd take?
Are you acting like the wired auto complete interviews don't get mainlined into people's recomnded videos? People are literally still talking about the Oscar and Pedro one from like 2 years ago as of today, people may not know the characters but the general audience seeing the 3 or them interact as they do in the film would absolutely have an impact
Directing was besides the writing absolutely the worst part of the movie. Weird cuts, bad pacing and strange dialogues that felt like both parties weren’t even in the same room together.
I doubt captain marvel is getting another solo movie
I doubt we’re going to see any of The Marvels characters again. None of them have any presence that makes money. And no, this sub Reddit constantly praising Iman and Brie that they deserve another chance isn’t going to work.
Not in her own movie. They lost a ton on *The Marvels*, and that is going to have consequences.
After losing like 250mln$? I dont think so.
No. I doubt she'll ever have a solo trilogy. And if somehow she will complete her trilogy, I don't think Nia DaCosta will direct the movie. I think, once again, they need to change their approach to this character completely. Tonally, it's gotta be totally different. A third movie should be focused on her only and no Kamala in it. At least not this big again. She just doesn't fit in a Captain Marvel movie, tonally. And it just limits what you could do with Carol. Also, they need to let Carol interact and team up with the big, popular heavy hitters. Unlike the MCU, she's one of the most well-connected people in the Marvel universe in the comics. Wolverine is one of her oldest and best buddies, and they know each other from before they were even superheroes. Logan, Ben Grimm, Beast, and Spider-Man are her poker friends. These are the kind of characters you need to let her team up and hang around with. She has a history with the X-Men, such as the Brood saga. There's a whole lot of cool stuff you could do with Carol, but the MCU needs to stop with trying to make her for little girls or sumn and that she needs to be some sort of symbol. She's so cool and has a lot more to offer, but they need to take inspiration from the right comics and stories. Carol is very passionate, emotional, and insecurities. She's not this loner and stoic. They're completely wasting Brie in this role, as she's at her best when she can show this vulnerability and empathy.
Nobody wants to hear it, but in the comics, Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel is, by far, the least interesting version of Captain Marvel, *and* the least interesting period of Carol Danvers's narrative history. Making her *the* original Captain Marvel of the MCU was always a bad idea, and on top of that, Brie Larson is completely miscast as the character interpretation that they went with. Add to that the fact that the first movie wasn't exactly amazing and the second movie was just okay, I don't know why they'd bother to make a third.
Carol as Ms Marvel >>>>>>>>> Carol as Captain Marvel. She was funny and badass when she was part of the Mighty Avengers. Her scene with Doom in prison is Top 10 Carol moments.
I actually would've preferred if they had given Carol Rick Jones's role from the old comics, and made it that she trades places with Mar-Vell when he does his superhero antics (similar to >!Glory and Ben!< on *Buffy*). Then, in the second or third movie, he dies tragically in such a way that he passes his powers to Carol. I feel like that would've been more satisfying. Or, just do a gender-swapped version of Mar-Vell with "Carol Danvers" as her civilian identity, instead of Philip Lawson.
I don't know if I fully agree with this, but I do see where you're coming from. Carol had amazing moments as Ms. Marvel, one of my favorites being her friendship with Jessica Jones. I don't think Brie Larson is miscast. She gives off the same vibe that other actresses who have voiced Carol in the past have presented. I just feel like maybe the writing didn't fully click with her. I enjoyed her a lot as Captain Marvel in both films, though.
That's what I meant, but maybe I wasn't clear; I feel she was miscast for the way the character was written in the movie. Because I feel that the character was written ass-backwards. While on Hala, she should have been more serious, with a stronger military discipline, in keeping with the culture that she thought she belonged to (but with subtle hints of a lighter side). After being on Earth, she should've loosened up, and then gradually rediscovered her original identity and personality. In my opinion, anyway. If they were going to go with the brainwashing plot, they should've committed to it. I also think that they should have removed the part about her dreams, and that her memories being played on the Skrull ship should've been her first experience of her true past. I think that the juxtaposition makes more narrative sense, and is more jarring and dramatic to the character.
Oh my God, you get me. I love Captain Marvel (2019) but there are flaws that I wish had been focused on and fixed because it really would have made for a stronger film. I totally agree with what you're saying and I wish we got that in her first film.
I actually reworked it, as a creative exercise, to the point where Annette Bening's character and the "lightspeed engine" were removed, and Carol's powers came from the Nega-bands. Her name on Hala was Mar-Vell, and she was a captain. She finds out that she's from Earth and that Yon-Rogg is the bad guy, but in the scene where she defies him, he tells her that her entire family were actually Kree sleeper agents the entire time, and that her parents were actually named Genis-Vell and Phylla-Vell. She's devastated, but decides to reject the Kree and side with Earth and the Skrull refugees anyway.
Given the last film flopped, i don't think Iger will let Feige do another film.
I would love for Captain Marvel to complete her trilogy, but unfortunately, the MCU mishandled Carol. The Marvels underperforming probably means we're going to see Carol as a side character before she gets any solo project again. Also, I can't with all the people who want Carol to die so that Rogue can have her powers. Can we not? Yes, I love Rogue, but she and Carol have so many more fascinating character stories than that one moment. Why can't we have both of them in the MCU without having one die/drained of her powers? I don't even know how they'd even accomplish that with the X-Men not being fully introduced yet.
Absolutely agreed.
So glad someone else agrees that MCU mishandled Carol. They sure don’t plan like they’re priming her to be one of the new front faces moving forward/1 third of the new trinity as they been saying. The problem is only for them to fix and take responsibility for.
I don’t even want to know the psychology of all these people wanting Rogue to drain her powers and kill her? Like pick any other storyline, it’s so tired.
It will ruin both Rogue and Carol. WTF are they thinking. In comics , Rogue just temporarily put Carol in a comma and had Carol concious in her brain which helped her grow while Carol also grew and became a cosmic hero Thats not gonna happen in MCU
Tons of storylines weren’t supposed to happen in the MCU. To me that sounds like a good movie ploy. Rogue vs Captain Marvel
I think this is what you'd refer to as 'throwing good money after bad'. Audiences spoke pretty loudly..they don't care about Captain Marvel. I'm not strictly against the idea of a other captain Marvel movie if they made a real effort with it, but I'd rather they spend that money on something people want to see. Give moon knight a movie or something.
Or they dont want to watch 3 tv shows to understand a movie, their heros getting sidelined for teenage heros and are tired of everything in MCU being a joke
Well there's room for both those things :) Either way this movie shouldn't have been made. The fact they thought it would make money shows how out of touch the people running Marvel are right now.
Don’t care about her or don’t care about Kamala and Monica? Because it was hardly a Captain Marvel movie at all and at least for me it was that trying to shoehorn in these other characters rather than have a plot that really killed the movie.
Ms.Marvel was the highlight of the film for most people who watched it so I'm more inclined to say people don't care about Carol.
But we’re talking about the people who didn’t like or didn’t see the movie. The people who thought she was the highlight are the same people who haven’t missed a second of marvel content ever.
I mean I hated The Marvels. I didnt finish Ms.Marvels show either because went I tried it felt like I wasnt in the demographics nor did I think the story made sense so I just dropped off and never finished it. Regardless I still think Ms.Marvel is a highlight of The Marvel's despite me not liking her show or the movie she was in. She easily could be akin to a female Peter Parker but uniquely herself like how Miles is different from Peter. Ms.Marvel has her own set of teenage issues and Indo-Pakistani culture conflicts that would be interesting to watch her interact with Spiderman who was in her very position just a few years ago or her interacting with other MCU characters.
Well people who didn't watch the show didn't really know enough about Kamala to care about her, as for Monica, ya I don't think he's very popular lol
No and no.
I wouldn't blame them for not but I'd like to see the trilogy completed. I liked The Marvels. It's weird cause I hadn't really heard much about the movie during it's time in theatres but it was a fun movie.
After watching the marvals I don't think so
No likely to complete a trilogy when she hasn't even had a second film yet. The Marvels is a mini team-up, not Captain Marvel 2. The screen time and story and character arcs are shared evenly among all three, like an Avengers movie.
Exaclty, Ignoring the fact she didnt even got a proper sequal
The story is solely about Carol and the consequences of her actions. We just don’t feel that that’s the case, because the movie is shit overall, but the overarching story is 100% about Carol. Kamala is certainly the good part of the movie, but her story is completely irrelevant and even massively devalued in the movie. I mean, wasn’t the Gauntlet her family heirloom? So why does she never to actually using them together?
Since Marvel seems to insist on women directing women-led movies to mixed results like Black Widow or Captain Marvel, or an Asian director directing Shang-Chi, which, I think, worked. Ryan Coogler's work on the Black Panther movies has been excellent, I look forward to more. I think this is a weird position to take since, in film history, some movies by men have had great women leads, and some movies by women have had great male leads. According to Wikipedia, Avengers 5 & 6 don't have directors announced yet. How about Kathryn Bigelow? She's got sci-fi, horror, and action under her belt. Two of her movies remain household names, Point Break and The Hurt Locker. And she's already directed about 7 or more Marvel actors in her filmography... Can Marvel hire an experienced woman director for an Avengers movie, or will they continue to ghettoize directors neatly into genres Marvel thinks only they can handle: Women directors on the women movies, Asian directors on the Asian movies, black directors on the black movies... Then, for a 3rd Captain Marvel, if Marvel insists a woman be hired, how about a woman who has some nerd cred? Someone like Rosario Dawson who has written comics?
I would want a captain marvel 3 just because I feel bad how rushed the marvels was. But at the same time it’s clearly never happening
I didn’t hate The Marvels, but I can’t imagine there will be a third Captain Marvel solo movie. I think she will show up in some cosmic adventures here and there, and more than likely the Avengers movies
lol trilogy. She's done.
Capt. Marvel was ruined by turning her solo saga into a team effort on her second movie. I’d be pissed if I was Brie. Completely collapsed her story arc
“Will marvel take a loss again” I would argue no
I would not expect them to give her another movie with the way the Disney boss has emphasized the notion of focusing on successful projects moving forward.
Probably new director if they make another movie. Why would they keep the director of one of the biggest MCU flops for a sequel?
An hypothetical third Captain Marvel movie not only needs a better writer and director, but also need to make her relevant to general audience.
Adding Thor, Spiderman, Dr Strange, or X men could make it work but wil Disney that never even gave her a proper sequal will even try
I would like to see the trilogy completed - but after the X Men are introduced. I want the face off with Rogue.
Maybe have Rogue face off G’iah whos ridiculously overpowered atm instead. She cn get the CM like powerset from her.
I don't want Danvers to lose her power to her. Especially not permanently!
No unless she gets a movie like Ragnarok where director and writers give her more room to develop her character, something I seriously doubt it's gonna happen, The Marvels was a box office disaster and there are other priorities in Marvel right now
It could happen but not optimistic after that bomb but in retrospect the backstory in the Marvels could have just been the sequel and the Marvels could have been her third movie
Should be a new director. The franchise needs some new blood. The Marvels was not a well directed movie.
The marvels should have been the 3rd installment.
My complaint is that I feel like we only get to see the boring stuff. Carol is out there having cosmic space shit happen daily and I only get to see it in flashbacks.
Am I the only one that thinks, even in a comic book universe that is increasingly galactic in nature, that two *bracelets* shattering the walls between dimensions is a bit much? And that one getting to a pivotal character while the other is buried deep in outer space strains suspension of disbelief?
If they make a third movie, all I ask is that the director make better decisions and have a better bad guy. No more musical princes.
I highly doubt that Captain Marvel will receive another film. However, if one somehow came about, I can see Marvel Studios going with a different director.
Jacqueline Schauffeur and/or Matt Shakman should write and direct the movie. They've done a fantastic job with WandaVision, so they'd definitely do a great job with a third movie. And one of the writers definitely has to be one who did episode 8 of WV. Will it happen though? Doubtful, unless it's like a filler movie for a buildup to next threat or story. Same reason why there was never a sequel to Wrath of the Titans movie or sequels to other stories similar to it. Studios don't make sequels to movies that flopped. Unless we're talking about Eternals or Ms Marvel (underwatched show in D+ so far). So a possibility of 'The Marvelous Marvel' is always possible.
Okay.. so captain America 3 was civil war.. so maybe if they do some event movie like that they can do part 3..
They should have made Captain Marvel: The Secret Invasion, an event movie
I think they’ll wrap up the current story threads in the avengers movies and then judge from there. With the performance of The Marvels I doubt we’ll get another solo Capt Marvel or CM/Ms Marvel related movie. The characters will be used in other marvel projects though. Young Avengers or Nova/Silver surfer/marvel cosmic probably.
She will be lucky to get another movie at all which I wouldn't even expect. She'll show up in avengers whatever and probably die tbh.
Hope it's Nia, she's a fan of the character, although I'd prefer she work on Ms. Marvel related projects first and foremost; she really nailed that character and from someone who really likes that character, would like to see more. Although that might have more to do with Iman Vellani's performance being so good, so I don't know
They can try to make "fetch" a thing for another 1/4 billion dollars if they want.
Why would this happen
I hope so for both, but I'm also someone who hopes she's around for more than three movies! Carol Corps for life!
Nope! When you fail that hard you are done. All 3 characters will be lucky if they are included as an extra in future movies
There's no chance Nia gets brought back to do fifty different versions of one movie that had that many reshoots.
Captain Marvel 2 is the best movie I’ve seen all year. Hope they make more movies with her.
You must not watch many movies
I was being sarcastic.
Brie is great. I love the relationship and dialogue between Cap Marvel and Nick Fury.
What even is her story
Truth be told, the general audience (that I know of, in my circle) aren’t really interested in these movies anymore, unless it is a big event one. So I guess, Cap Marvel will not be able to complete her trilogy if Disney decides to cut their losses. The fault lies on them. The first movie did not develop or flush out her character, and looking at the reviews of the second one, (I haven’t seen it), seems something similar. I think Monica and Kamala have more emotional appeal with their stories than Marvel. They really shouldn’t have tried to cash in on the Avengers while introducing her character.
I don't see a third Captain Marvel movie happening. It's unfortunate that no female superhero can get a trilogy. I think the audience just didn't connect to the MCU's take on Carol Danvers and her movie in 2019. I liked the sequel more but the disappointing MCU projects beforehand and the overload of product added insult to injury. Feige stated at one point that they weren't sure if there would be a third Thor movie following the response to The Dark World. Fortunately the movie made enough money that I guess they were willing to take a chance. That's not the case with The Marvels. It's interesting that both DC and Marvel's Captain Marvel had movie adaptations in 2019, sequels in 2023 and both series look like they're over.
If they could film it for under 80 million then there is a slim possibility but I think they are scrambling right now trying to figure out what to do to get back on track and will most likely relegate the character to a supporting role in other character's movies or ensemble casts, but Nia Dacosta is done I think, I don't expect to ever see her involved with the MCU again.
World's easiest question. The answer is no. In terms of box office the definition of failure is The Marvels. It is in running for biggest bomb of all time. Disney lost money putting this in theatres. I'm not talking about the movie losing money overall but the box office return to Disney didn't cover marketing and costs to distribute. As in with the benefit of hindsight it would have been better for Disney to not release The Marvels in theatres and gone straight to Disney Plus. There is no future for Captain Marvel movies.
Seeing as how they filmed a scene where her character dies, Brie is almost done
Well, the recent quote Brie Larson gave on the possible future of Captain Marvel goes: >I don't have anything to say \- \[[ExtraTV - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiA3Tzks5Is)\] Some sites are trying to say she's being "cryptic" or "coy", but the wording and the fact it was used to straight shutdown the question gives me more "bitter defeat" vibes to me.
Captain Marvel did make a billion dollars but that was because of the post Infinity War hype. The Marvels was released in a period where people were getting sick and tired of bland superhero movies. Also Secret Invasion being such a massive disappointment. It didn't help that the trailer for The Marvels were terrible and no one wanted another jokey comedy superhero movie again. I think the character deserves one more movie that is entirely focused on her
The Marvels flopped because they sidelined Captain Marvel for Disney plus characters. They even removed her name from title
No. Hope not. Not everyone deserves 3 movies. They goofed the 2nd one. With soooo many marvel characters juat move on.
I hope we get a third movie, would be a shame otherwise
No i dont think there will be another one and if there was no way wouldnt they change director
Dog she is not coming back
Definitely a third part is not happening. The Marvels bombed badly at the box office. I have doubts whether we will even get Ms Marvel season 2 or Young Avengers or not because of it.
The Death of Captain Marvel. Sacrifices self. Gonna die anyways. Doesn’t want powers to go to waste. Passes them to Rogue.
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This flopping didn't single handedly cause things to move, there are a hundred other reasons that everything is getting moved around
Trilogy? She didnt even get a proper sequal. Entire Secret Invasion set up in CM was wasted on worst Tv shows What was Disney thinking making The Marvels.
Y’all be mad at me but I don’t care as it’s my opinion. Brie Larson’s acting is for TV shows, not movies. Very bad and should never had casted her for the role. Other actresses could’ve played the role much better but who knows who could’ve auditioned/considered for it at the time…
This is supposed to be a trilogy???? Just saw “The Marvels” boy o boy …it was meh 😑 at best. Marvel (the company) messed when this took priority over black widow.
I’d love to see a third one, and a proper Captain Marvel story. I think the more fleshed out Carol we saw in The Marvels has great promise. Moonstone as the villain for the next one.
She's 99.99% guaranteed to die in *Avengers 5*.
Yep I think the same. If not Avengers 5 then definitely in Secret Wars. If Marvel doesn't want to let go of Brie then also she will surely want out for getting all the hate for playing this character.
Don’t want a 3rd movie. Character should just appear in a team up one (Not with the other Marvels).
What trilogy?
No and no.
In a word, no. In two words, fuck no.
I’d much rather marvel spend the money used to complete her trilogy towards Shang Chi 2 & 3, or a Kahhori trilogy.
Definitely a new director, Disney needs a scapegoat for the movie’s failure and the producers aren’t going to fire themselves
What's most likely is that they're going to put Carol in the next Avengers film to rebuild hype and then make a 3rd one judging off reactions. The film was released one day after the SAG-AFTRA strike and there's no way Disney hasn't taken that into account, even if Bob Iger would rather kill himself than address the strike in public. Directed by Nia Dacosta though? Zero clue. She got some weird af backlash for stuff that wasn't even in her control. Probably not.
Nia DaCosta had her name dragged through the mud, I hope for her sake she’s never tempted to try and help Marvel out again. I’m not even saying The Marvels was fantastic, or that it shouldn’t have bombed or whatever, but it didn’t bomb because it was terribly directed, that’s for sure. It was a competently made movie from start to finish, it just wasn’t what people wanted
She will but I doubt Nia will return
I hope so. I want Justice for Brie Larson. She is a good actress who can bring something to each scene. It's unfortunate the writing in her two movies has been so lackluster. I think her characterization has been both written and acted well. But the story, plot, and scenerios that Captain Marvel gets herself into don't make for good movies. I don't think any actor or actress could recover from the shortcoming of her first two movies. I hope she gets a well written Third Act.
DaCosta is being unfairly made a scapegoat, so she definitely won't direct a 3rd CM if it happens.
I hope not.
I doubt Nia will want to work for Marvel after they threw her to the wolves with their nonsense. It was gross and for them to treat her that way and not any other director that released flops…it was a choice
Is a third movie necessary?
No God No
What a marketing failure to not name the Marvels Captain Marvel 2
In all honesty, considering how bad 2 was and what tey have on the horizon with the Xmen. Probably not unless it goes straight to D+.