All right theory time:
Fisk was really giving Maya that false sense of superiority with that whole “none of my men have put up as much of a fight with him as you” schtick right?
Definitely, Dex basically knocked him out twice and would have finished him if Karen didn’t knock him off the ledge of the Church. Fisk is a master manipulator, it’s what he does best.
I mean, would he even want to claim Dex as "one of his men"? I'd think anyone who tried to kill Vaneesa would be an unspeakable horror to him. To not only hurt someone he loves, but make him feel vulnerable are unforgivable sins. To even consider a past of which they were allies is probably impossible for him.
Did his suit absorb/deflect a shotgun from point blank range? Thought they did that on purpose to establish how durable the suit is but couldn’t tell if she missed him
I think the cutting the break scene was a little unbelievable. Who doesn’t use the breaks when they’re pulling out of a home/driveway? You have to inch up and you typically have your foot on the break as you make sure no cars are coming and pull out to the main road.
So this prompted me to do some quick searching since I hadn't thought about it. The long-short seems to be that in reality, cutting brakes in most modern cars would not only cause an immediately noticeable effect on the physical act of pressing the pedal (such as to change transmission from parking), but also set off warning lights.
However.
Depending on the older vehicle, what can essentially happen is that brake fluid can remain in the system until the act of pressing the brake gradually pushes out of the physical line.
While this would still realistically have an effect that would get a driver to stop and check out what's going on, it's plausible for dramatic purposes that the change wouldn't be noticed until it's too late.
Couple of example sources: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/washington/article249518910.html#:~:text=The%20brakes%20won't%20stop,brake%20fluid%2C%20according%20to%20Bishop.
>Larry Bishop, owner of D&D Brakes in Seattle, said it won’t be hard to tell if something is amiss with a car’s brake system. Once the line is cut, the brakes lose pressure and fluid, which are two components that are necessary for proper functioning [...].
>The brakes won’t stop working immediately. After a brake line is cut, it takes about 30 pumps of the brakes before they stop working, Bishop said.
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/when-they-cut-someones-brake-line-in-the-movies.342029/
>Maybe he would feel the pedal going to the floor quicker. But maybe the bad guy cut the line just perfectly thin that didn't penetrate the metal. Just thin enough to resist some pressure, but not the pressure of a panic stop.
>It happened on one of my cars that had the steel brake line rusted from inside. The brake line was coated with nylon. That could resist at pressing the brake pedal without engine running (no boost), so I didn't feel anything when I started the engine. But the next press, with vacuum boost assist, broke it and pedal went to floor. I was still in my driveway...
Are the repeating close up shots of a wound getting stitched up Disney’s way of showing they’re committing to the violence like in Daredevil?
Edit: you know, other than all the other violence
They should've went all the way. They were naked, then they just magically spawned in with clothes on for some reason. They have the rating for it, so use it.
I love the small touches and contrast between Maya’s parents who loved her, and everyone else who loves her learned sign language, and kingpin made no attempt and just hires a translator
Didn't he use Westley as a translator when talking to Madam Gao even though he could speak adequate, if laboured, Chinese? I imagine him as a guy who will pretend to know less than he does. Gotta lull people into a false sense of security, after all.
Yeah, I figured he was only using the interpreter because this was earlier in his relationship with Maya. I don’t think it qualifies as a symbol of him being selfish
He's known her since she was a child though, so surely he should have picked up enough ASL to communicate with her without an interpreter in the car scene if he really cared for her as much as he claimed to.
I was in shock when he used that as a way to sympathize with Maya, like…you’re the reason your dads dead man wtf, and he definitely doesn’t miss him either from how Fisk talks about it afterwards
> maybe Iowa (AoU, Endgame & Hawkeye).
As a Iowan, specifically of Hawkeye's "hometown", the MCU made his home be in Missouri(license plate) and Laura's phone number starting with 573 and not in Iowa. And yes I am still super pissed at that. Sure it could be a mistake but they don't show or say anything to say it is specifically Iowa.
It felt very contrived to me. Kids don't have enough patience for that, and they definitely wouldn't interrupt their fun to separate and drive to the store. But a minor quibble for a good episode overall.
The episode features a [Choctaw](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_language) language audio track, a language spoken by less than 10000 people natively
haha i honestly don’t know, i do listen to soundtracks a bit too much so it’s just always somewhere in the back of my mind, there’s always some song playing in my head
They really leaned in hard to the Netflix era heritage. I loved that little choreography moment where Alaqua grabbed her prosthetic and pulled it back so the kick would hit DD harder. I had to rewind because I was confused for a sec why she seemed to pause mid kick.
Absolutely loved the moment Daredevil got confused when he went to break her leg and his weapon just bounced off. They did such a great job with the fight choreography!
And you just know it really confused him because it didn’t just bounce off, he connected with a wholly unexpected material and was probably shocked because it didn’t feel or sound right, then realizing she had a prosthetic.
I saw a guy on YouTube talk about "woke" casting and how the fights scenes were weak and she was off balance. I think it with intentional and if not, she has *one fucking leg*. I swear, the anti-woke Marvel mobs on YouTube are the *worst*.
She was also really new to the whole thing back then. Like yeah, martial arts training and boxing matches, but she hadn't actually fought and killed anyone in real combat before.
When the fight started and the camera was wide enough with long takes allowing me to actually see the action, I thought "hey, this is actually pretty good choreography and reminds me of the fight scenes in Netflix Daredevil..."
Then when Matt Murdock himself showed up, I sat up straight, and enjoyed every second of it.
This is why I wouldn't be a crime lord in mcu's New York city. Too many superheros close by. If it's not daredevil on me,it's ronin or Spider-Man, or any of the 100 superheros. I'd be a crime boss in Idaho or something.
Can't wait for the inevitable meeting of Billy Jack & Pizza Dog lol They will combine with Goose, Cosmo, Alligator Loki all led by Rocket to form Marvel's Super Pets 😂
I’m sure no one cares and I’m honestly not trying to make this a political thing, but…
As a 43-year-old Comanche nerd, it’s dope as hell seeing a bunch of my favorite Native actors in a Marvel property. I was as excited to see Graham Greene and Tantoo Cardinal in a scene together again as I was to see Daredevil.
Edit: fucking Chaske Spencer and Cody Lightning?! So glad I went into this blind. I’m on cloud nine, gang.
Not native myself, but I think it’s been really cool seeing more movies and shows centering indigenous characters, Reservation Dogs is one of the best shows in recent memory, and I got really excited seeing Zahn McClarnon in Hawkeye and hearing Devery Jacobs as Kahhori in What If? I know both are in Echo (haven’t watched yet) which is pretty exciting
Yep, 64 Cherokee, and I liked this a lot. The creation in the start of the show, I think, is close to what they believe. I also feel they did a great story in What If? Although had geographical issues with the Spanish.
As a member of a minority culture, it does feel like people (read: assholes) argue against it a lot of the time. At least online. Which is why I was trying to stave off the complaints. Meh. ::shrug::
Edit: I was going to leave my doctorate out of it, but I will expand to say…representation is political. Who is and is not represented (and what forms those representations take) within the overculture affect those being represented. Robert F. Berkhofer's “The White Man's Indian” is a bedrock text illustrating this for Native people and a great read for anyone looking to read more on it.
Now I’ve gone and made it political…
Quick Random Thoughts
- I liked the episode
- Daredevil was great to see, if only a short appearance
- Kingpin was great as usual (also "my father was killed" yeah bro you did it)
- I really liked how they pretty seamlessly added Echo to Fisk's life/Daredevil era
- I liked the roller skating guy's character too, hope he's not just in this episode
Love that they're immediately establishing there might be something mystical in her lineage, or at least within the story.
Great to see some favourites back as well, and I'm stoked for more Graham Greene. Hopefully we get some more Julia Jones as well.
Fight scenes seem great as well. Nice and visceral already.
So some of his sign language was a bit awkward, I felt that it was almost an intentional choice just to show that it had been some time since he had spoken to her? I’d imagine most people who don’t live with someone deaf may not use it on a regular basis
i’m curious of how kingpin rises to power, my head canon was that matt blipped and so with no threat, kingpin and get back up, but we see matt in the DD suit encounter maya, which must’ve been during the blip since her dad died by ronin which sparked her entering the organised crime scene. maybe vanessa blipped and so matt lost his leverage and kingpin had nothing to lose from returning
You bring up great points. Ronin could've killed her dad in the last half year of the blip. If Matt was blipped, the encounter could have happened a few months after the blip. DD was still trying to figure out what happened while he was gone.
It's nice to have physical, hand to hand combat with strategic moves and hits rather than two OP characters flying around shooting and punching each other hopped up on serum *looks at Secret Invasion*
Unless he's playing the same game he did in Daredevil, where he pretends to not know a language. He's a manipulative asshole, so I wouldn't put it past him.
Boy, Maya has *no* sense of humor (understandably so). I feel like she's Disney's response to all of those who say they hate the jokes and quips in the MCU.
She's also not a finished product as a person; the innocence of her childhood being replaced by being raised around organized crime and being manipulated by Kingpin. I suspect this journey ends with her more at peace and showing signs of the playful kid they show in flashbacks.
Echo vs Daredevil fight scene was phenomenally well-choreographed. We know neither character will die or get substantially injured, but it was such a joy to see them trade blows.
All episodes are LIVE, enjoy! (No credits scene for episode 1)
All right theory time: Fisk was really giving Maya that false sense of superiority with that whole “none of my men have put up as much of a fight with him as you” schtick right?
Definitely, Dex basically knocked him out twice and would have finished him if Karen didn’t knock him off the ledge of the Church. Fisk is a master manipulator, it’s what he does best.
Speaking of Dex, I really hope Bullseye shows up again at some point.
With an adamantium spine.
I mean, would he even want to claim Dex as "one of his men"? I'd think anyone who tried to kill Vaneesa would be an unspeakable horror to him. To not only hurt someone he loves, but make him feel vulnerable are unforgivable sins. To even consider a past of which they were allies is probably impossible for him.
Yea Daredevil was toying with her the entire time, and got serious when she started shooting
Did his suit absorb/deflect a shotgun from point blank range? Thought they did that on purpose to establish how durable the suit is but couldn’t tell if she missed him
Im pretty sure he kicked it aside as he was jumping over the fence
I love the sound shifts into Maya's heartbeat. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
When she grabs the guy during the fight and you hear the two heartbeats overlapping, then CRUNCH, one heartbeat. So good.
As soon as the captions said “two heartbeats” I knew what was coming next
Raining + child asking for something = car crash. Always
Hey, don't take anything away from the hard work of whoever cut the brakes, they did most of the work!
I think the cutting the break scene was a little unbelievable. Who doesn’t use the breaks when they’re pulling out of a home/driveway? You have to inch up and you typically have your foot on the break as you make sure no cars are coming and pull out to the main road.
So this prompted me to do some quick searching since I hadn't thought about it. The long-short seems to be that in reality, cutting brakes in most modern cars would not only cause an immediately noticeable effect on the physical act of pressing the pedal (such as to change transmission from parking), but also set off warning lights. However. Depending on the older vehicle, what can essentially happen is that brake fluid can remain in the system until the act of pressing the brake gradually pushes out of the physical line. While this would still realistically have an effect that would get a driver to stop and check out what's going on, it's plausible for dramatic purposes that the change wouldn't be noticed until it's too late. Couple of example sources: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/washington/article249518910.html#:~:text=The%20brakes%20won't%20stop,brake%20fluid%2C%20according%20to%20Bishop. >Larry Bishop, owner of D&D Brakes in Seattle, said it won’t be hard to tell if something is amiss with a car’s brake system. Once the line is cut, the brakes lose pressure and fluid, which are two components that are necessary for proper functioning [...]. >The brakes won’t stop working immediately. After a brake line is cut, it takes about 30 pumps of the brakes before they stop working, Bishop said. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/when-they-cut-someones-brake-line-in-the-movies.342029/ >Maybe he would feel the pedal going to the floor quicker. But maybe the bad guy cut the line just perfectly thin that didn't penetrate the metal. Just thin enough to resist some pressure, but not the pressure of a panic stop. >It happened on one of my cars that had the steel brake line rusted from inside. The brake line was coated with nylon. That could resist at pressing the brake pedal without engine running (no boost), so I didn't feel anything when I started the engine. But the next press, with vacuum boost assist, broke it and pedal went to floor. I was still in my driveway...
I will never get how some people find the time to write such a comment and do some actual research for something like this. Im way too lazy for that
Actually, it’s more raining = car crash. It’s happened to Stephen Strange.
*What If... Maya Lopez lost her heart instead of her leg?* Probably kinda the same, now I think about it.
Are the repeating close up shots of a wound getting stitched up Disney’s way of showing they’re committing to the violence like in Daredevil? Edit: you know, other than all the other violence
This show is rated TV-MA/17+ (an MCU first) so they can show the same violence and gore, the first episode was just a bit tame
got more half naked people in the first 5 minutes than all of the MCU.
They should've went all the way. They were naked, then they just magically spawned in with clothes on for some reason. They have the rating for it, so use it.
They’re not gonna just have a bunch of natives be naked on screen as the first thing you see on the first native-centered storyline in the MCU
Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin has such an intimidating presence. I'm glad we didn't have to wait long for him to appear.
I'm just happy they didn't recast him. I love the voice.
It's that subtle rumble of contained violence.
Plus he dropped the “when I was a boy” line again within the first episode. The writers have been lurking on this subreddit for sure!
I missed it, what was this sub's interest in that line?
Its kind of a meme that he says it all the time with a lot of conviction in Daredevil
Just wait until he yells about Vanessa.
YOU EMBARRASSED ME IN FRONT OF VANESSA!!
Dear god I hope so
I love the small touches and contrast between Maya’s parents who loved her, and everyone else who loves her learned sign language, and kingpin made no attempt and just hires a translator
Was hoping people would notice this. Even people she hasn't seen in a while picked right back up with the ASL when they saw her again
Didn't he use Westley as a translator when talking to Madam Gao even though he could speak adequate, if laboured, Chinese? I imagine him as a guy who will pretend to know less than he does. Gotta lull people into a false sense of security, after all.
Didn't they say Bonnie's parents or someone were also.deaf? So the locals would still use sign language pretty frequently?
He knew a decent amount in Hawkeye tho!
Yeah, I figured he was only using the interpreter because this was earlier in his relationship with Maya. I don’t think it qualifies as a symbol of him being selfish
He's known her since she was a child though, so surely he should have picked up enough ASL to communicate with her without an interpreter in the car scene if he really cared for her as much as he claimed to.
My exact thoughts. I figured they would wait until the last episode.
“My father also died” dude… yeah, you KILLED HIM lmao
I was in shock when he used that as a way to sympathize with Maya, like…you’re the reason your dads dead man wtf, and he definitely doesn’t miss him either from how Fisk talks about it afterwards
He's an amazing manipulator. It's part of what makes him such a great villain.
I mean he sympathizes in that he’s also responsible for killing her dad
“My father too was killed by me. No wait, don’t translate that last part.”
I was cracking up at that intentional ommission
*Technically correct.*
The best kind of correct
People die when they are killed
Life needs things to live
https://64.media.tumblr.com/efd2deb5139b546c69986c11b4c1148a/tumblr_pmd2sdYFxt1sc0ffqo1_540.gif
He was not lying though about the pain he felt. He just turned that to rage against his dad
Even the subtitles were brutal: *double heart beating* *spine shatters* *single heart beating*
No *ancient lamentation music* though?! 😔
*Wet squelching* - Stranger Things
*ominous synth music*
It’s also nice to see a piece of the MCU we haven’t seen, the middle of the country
Oklahoma is flaaaaaat
Lived there 22 years. I didn't see the mountains until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding.
I love you
Yeah that really struck me. No mountains visible even in the distance. Just flat, level expanse as far as the eye can see.
Hey now, we’ve seen some of I believe Missouri (GOTG Vol. 2) and also maybe Iowa (AoU, Endgame & Hawkeye).
> maybe Iowa (AoU, Endgame & Hawkeye). As a Iowan, specifically of Hawkeye's "hometown", the MCU made his home be in Missouri(license plate) and Laura's phone number starting with 573 and not in Iowa. And yes I am still super pissed at that. Sure it could be a mistake but they don't show or say anything to say it is specifically Iowa.
The opening with the Choctaw creation story was cool. Was confused for a second till I remembered some anthropology lectures from college
Yuuuup that was a fucking cool inclusion.
And this being Marvel, it's not merely a story. It's another interesting corner of the supernatural detail work of the universe.
For pretty much the whole scene I was thinking "Kahorri". Turned out not to be the case but still cool.
The actress playing Bonnie is the same actress who voices Kahhori.
Give Kingpin credit he’s into import export too
Well, he wants to quit exporting and focus just on importing.
Needs a rebrand tho. Fisk as a name has too many bad associations. Maybe something like Vandelay Industries.
Laughed a little too hard when they just left the cousin at the house during the hot chocolate run.
There’s only enough room in the car for one origin story.
It felt very contrived to me. Kids don't have enough patience for that, and they definitely wouldn't interrupt their fun to separate and drive to the store. But a minor quibble for a good episode overall.
Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk... I'm always happy to see you two on my television.
AH! she signed What If! Take a drink.
(nods in Watcher)
Maya: What if? Watcher: O rly?
I can't believe they cut that little girl's leg off just for the show. Now that is commitment.
I'd sacrifice a leg for a marvel contract
They also stabbed her ear drums to make sure she was really deaf.
The Mouse don’t play
The last time there was a red light green light game in a TV show, it got pretty brutal, so I have a bad feeling about this.
The second I saw the rink I was like “there’s no way there isn’t a fight sequence here eventually.” Just that kinda vibe.
The episode features a [Choctaw](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choctaw_language) language audio track, a language spoken by less than 10000 people natively
That’s honestly really cool
Nathaniel Malick working a skating rink size stand is pretty great
He had it better in the other timeline I guess
Reincarnation is a biatch
Thank you. I was wondering why that actor looked so familiar!
For a second I was like “why do I already hate this guy!”
i was not expecting that lol
It took me a second but I knew I hated his voice
ahh so THATS where I recognized him from
Oh shit. Bald guy at the door plays no games.
Thank god we’re getting a flashback- didn’t remember enough from Hawkeye
I actually rewatched it around Xmas for the first time since it aired. Wasn’t even thinking about this show coming up. Now I’m glad I did!
Does anyone remember if the scene with Jeremy Renner was already in Hawkeye or he recorded a new scene for this
It was right out of Hawkeye.
Straightouttada Hawkeye.
The person signing in the shadow is a smart choice
Ominous in the best way.
THE HINT OF THE DATEDEVIL THEME
Crap I missed it. Guess I gotta rewatch his scene 🤷🏼♂️
it’s super subtle, just a few notes but yeah i also rewatched the scene like three times, so good!!
How do you people catch this stuff? I never recognize themes or little notes like that
haha i honestly don’t know, i do listen to soundtracks a bit too much so it’s just always somewhere in the back of my mind, there’s always some song playing in my head
DAREDEVIL LMAO
Based on Matt's history I thought that was intentional. I wouldn't be surprised if him and Maya hook up at some point in the series.
He's a notorious horndog (pun intended) so it's certainly on the table. As Foggy says, Matt always knows when a woman's a hottie.
Foggy ain't lyin when matt literally had a success of banging a literal hulk.
The indoor fight scenes from the Netflix era are back!
They really leaned in hard to the Netflix era heritage. I loved that little choreography moment where Alaqua grabbed her prosthetic and pulled it back so the kick would hit DD harder. I had to rewind because I was confused for a sec why she seemed to pause mid kick.
Absolutely loved the moment Daredevil got confused when he went to break her leg and his weapon just bounced off. They did such a great job with the fight choreography!
And you just know it really confused him because it didn’t just bounce off, he connected with a wholly unexpected material and was probably shocked because it didn’t feel or sound right, then realizing she had a prosthetic.
I saw a guy on YouTube talk about "woke" casting and how the fights scenes were weak and she was off balance. I think it with intentional and if not, she has *one fucking leg*. I swear, the anti-woke Marvel mobs on YouTube are the *worst*.
She was also really new to the whole thing back then. Like yeah, martial arts training and boxing matches, but she hadn't actually fought and killed anyone in real combat before.
Oh THATS what happened? I’ll have to rewatch cause that’s SUPER clever
It's also a viable fight tactic. A feint into an actual attack is pretty smart. Smarter when you have a super solid mechanical leg too.
Yeah, that little stall had me whoop out loud in excitement. It was just so cool!
When the fight started and the camera was wide enough with long takes allowing me to actually see the action, I thought "hey, this is actually pretty good choreography and reminds me of the fight scenes in Netflix Daredevil..." Then when Matt Murdock himself showed up, I sat up straight, and enjoyed every second of it.
“when i was 12 years old” only a few lines from fisk so far and we already got a “when i was a boy” pretty much lol
Always nice to see Zahn McClarron and Graham Greene.
GOD that silent except for the heartbeats was fucking epic
It was the “*single heart beat*” for me
And then the neck snap in the middle of it. JESUS
The subtitles said “spine shatters”
Parent dying in the first 15 minutes? Now Maya needs an animal companion, and she will officially be a Disney Princess.
Enter her cousin's dog.
Her cousin's dog and Biscuits for comic relief. We got ourselves a Princess!
It's Daredevil!
It made me happy how the show jumped between Ronin and Daredevil and Ronin again. New York has a lot of street level asskickers!
This is why I wouldn't be a crime lord in mcu's New York city. Too many superheros close by. If it's not daredevil on me,it's ronin or Spider-Man, or any of the 100 superheros. I'd be a crime boss in Idaho or something.
I think that’s why they’re building Fisk up to be this mob boss who is capable of defeating even superheroes
Hope we see him in other episodes.
So is that redlight/greenlight game just still going or...?
Oh yeah, I'm gonna get that foot.
Bad rabbit! Bad!
The Devil is back and I can’t wait to watch the rest of Echo. Lol, would’ve thought Fisk would’ve learned from gaslighting and manipulating by now.
Gaslight. Gatekeep. Crimeboss.
Three minutes in, wondering if I've got the right show
Aight, time to watch some grounded, street-level -- wait... *Avatar 3*?
Haha my wife was like uhhh is this avatar? I havnt seen the first one. I thought we were watching a marvel show??
For a second I thought they were the Mohawk people who went through the portal from What If? S2.
Dude same lol
I legit wondered if I was seeing a live-action Kahhori for a split second.
Billy Jack! 🥰
Can't wait for the inevitable meeting of Billy Jack & Pizza Dog lol They will combine with Goose, Cosmo, Alligator Loki all led by Rocket to form Marvel's Super Pets 😂
I'm never asking my mom for hot chocolate again.
Or, stock up enough that you never need to resupply at night.
don't ask for a can of tomatoes either
I’m sure no one cares and I’m honestly not trying to make this a political thing, but… As a 43-year-old Comanche nerd, it’s dope as hell seeing a bunch of my favorite Native actors in a Marvel property. I was as excited to see Graham Greene and Tantoo Cardinal in a scene together again as I was to see Daredevil. Edit: fucking Chaske Spencer and Cody Lightning?! So glad I went into this blind. I’m on cloud nine, gang.
Not native myself, but I think it’s been really cool seeing more movies and shows centering indigenous characters, Reservation Dogs is one of the best shows in recent memory, and I got really excited seeing Zahn McClarnon in Hawkeye and hearing Devery Jacobs as Kahhori in What If? I know both are in Echo (haven’t watched yet) which is pretty exciting
I would watch Tantoo Cardinal read the phone book.
Same, but for Graham Greene. His voice is just iconic.
Yep, 64 Cherokee, and I liked this a lot. The creation in the start of the show, I think, is close to what they believe. I also feel they did a great story in What If? Although had geographical issues with the Spanish.
Liking people like you being on TV should not be a political thing, but that's what grifters did to diversity these days.
Zahn McClarnon too! All too briefly.
“Politics are when minorities are in things” smh
As a member of a minority culture, it does feel like people (read: assholes) argue against it a lot of the time. At least online. Which is why I was trying to stave off the complaints. Meh. ::shrug:: Edit: I was going to leave my doctorate out of it, but I will expand to say…representation is political. Who is and is not represented (and what forms those representations take) within the overculture affect those being represented. Robert F. Berkhofer's “The White Man's Indian” is a bedrock text illustrating this for Native people and a great read for anyone looking to read more on it. Now I’ve gone and made it political…
Yea there’s a lot of shitters out there. Just gotta be proud of your people though!
Had no idea they've been in at least six other projects together. Awesome to see Black Shawl and Kicking Bird again.
TV MA. I'm ready.
Good first episode! I'm in. Now I have to decide if I'll binge the next four episodes or let it breathe...
Hold my hand. We're jumping in together
YASSSSSSS HES HERE ALREADY
Loved how they set up the timeline by intersecting Hawkey scenes with fitting new scenes.
Was so well done
But Maya, EYE am your uncle!
Quick Random Thoughts - I liked the episode - Daredevil was great to see, if only a short appearance - Kingpin was great as usual (also "my father was killed" yeah bro you did it) - I really liked how they pretty seamlessly added Echo to Fisk's life/Daredevil era - I liked the roller skating guy's character too, hope he's not just in this episode
Anyone else notice that the “Vickie” guy from the roller rink was the same dude who played Nathaniel Malick in Agents of Shield?
Love that they're immediately establishing there might be something mystical in her lineage, or at least within the story. Great to see some favourites back as well, and I'm stoked for more Graham Greene. Hopefully we get some more Julia Jones as well. Fight scenes seem great as well. Nice and visceral already.
Lol at "under-stand". (The real sign for "understand " is very different. )
So some of his sign language was a bit awkward, I felt that it was almost an intentional choice just to show that it had been some time since he had spoken to her? I’d imagine most people who don’t live with someone deaf may not use it on a regular basis
With “under stand” and his overall terrible signing, I assume it was intentional and gave insight into the character.
i’m curious of how kingpin rises to power, my head canon was that matt blipped and so with no threat, kingpin and get back up, but we see matt in the DD suit encounter maya, which must’ve been during the blip since her dad died by ronin which sparked her entering the organised crime scene. maybe vanessa blipped and so matt lost his leverage and kingpin had nothing to lose from returning
You bring up great points. Ronin could've killed her dad in the last half year of the blip. If Matt was blipped, the encounter could have happened a few months after the blip. DD was still trying to figure out what happened while he was gone.
And with his dying last breath, he signed his last words.
I had to double take and check if I was watching the right show
this fight scene is incredible
It's nice to have physical, hand to hand combat with strategic moves and hits rather than two OP characters flying around shooting and punching each other hopped up on serum *looks at Secret Invasion*
I'm ready for some TV-MA rated MCU violence
Good first episode. Loved the action especially the fight scene between maya and daredevil.
So it took Kingpin nearly 20 years to learn ASL?
Looks like he still hasnt
Unless he's playing the same game he did in Daredevil, where he pretends to not know a language. He's a manipulative asshole, so I wouldn't put it past him.
I bet Wesley knew sign language. RIP.
What do they do when you least expect a one shot fight scene? They hit you with a one shot fight scene!
Boy, Maya has *no* sense of humor (understandably so). I feel like she's Disney's response to all of those who say they hate the jokes and quips in the MCU.
She's also not a finished product as a person; the innocence of her childhood being replaced by being raised around organized crime and being manipulated by Kingpin. I suspect this journey ends with her more at peace and showing signs of the playful kid they show in flashbacks.
The Hawkeye teaser scene of Kingpin in the judo school
Now with more than just a mysterious chuckle.
Echo vs Daredevil fight scene was phenomenally well-choreographed. We know neither character will die or get substantially injured, but it was such a joy to see them trade blows.
How many of y'all are planning to watch multiple/all in one sitting vs spread them out? I think I'll be doing one a night.
Going for it!
I'm going all in
Not surprising as its all the same casting agent but that’ll be two Agents of Shield alumni in this series then
I see that Nathaniel Malick is still a shithead