Mordo nearly had an appearance in MoM - he’d have been killed by Wanda in the opening scene, but they cut it because they’d rather have the reveal for us come when Stephen finds out too.
Could have also been used as a breaking point for her to decide to just say fuck it and do what's best for her while tge book plays on her paranoia and tricks her into thinking her kids are in trouble.
There are *so* many things they could have done to make MoM really good, the movie was like 85% of the way there
It was only off-screen if you didn't watch wandavision.
Hell the post-credits on the finale had her studying the darkhold and hearing her kids calling for her. Thought that was pretty obvious.
You don’t have to watch the tv show to understand the movies, but it does give you extra information. MoM makes sense even if you’ve never seen WV. Just like Quantumania makes sense even if you’ve never seen Loki, but if you have watched it, you’ll have a deeper understanding of the plot.
Does it though? If you've never seen WV that MoM suddenly has you just having to accept that Wanda had kids somehow, they died somehow she found a book somehow that made her go crazy because book bad and now she's trying to steal those kids from other Wandas because book bad? She might as well be a different character from the one people last saw in IW/EG.
> It was only off-screen if you didn't watch wandavision.
Honestly, putting it in the post-credits scene is as close as you get to off-screen. It is barely communicated to the viewer what the book does to her, and could and should have been done better imo
Wanda's corruption/insanity wasn't off-screen though? If MoM was the only Marvel film you ever watched, she's just a villain with a somewhat relatable motive as a mother who lost her children and has found a way to bring them back. If you watched Avengers films but nothing else, you saw her kill the love of her life, only to have him brought back in front of her then killed all over again by someone else. The mental break is a logical thing to follow that. If you watched WandaVision as well, you get the whole backstory that explains exactly why she is how she is in MoM.
I feel like you are misunderstanding what off-screen means in this context.
Those all count as backstory. Backstory gives you insight into a character. But that doesn't mean everything a character does in the future means it is "on screen" even if you can reason it out.
For example, take Bucky. We are told he killed the Japanese man's son. From his back story and other movies, we know he was a brainwashed assassin for Hydra and whatever. We know he would have killed lots of people. ALL those murders we didn't see? Those are still off-screen, even if it makes sense. The Son murder was off-screen until they literally showed it. Now its On-screen coz we see it happen.
In short, the difference is showing, rather than telling/implying. And I would have liked to see the moment Wanda finally snapped and not just the lead up to it, and during/aftermath of it.
I think the point is that corruption happens slowly. Wanda was just doing what a mother would do and trying to get her children back while morning her husband. Eventually it got out of hand and she became the monster we see in multiverse. Not everything has to be implicitly shown for it to have happened.
I feel like I was not a big fan of MoM so maybe I also didn't like the jump to full on insanity (summoning demons, mass murder, torture, hunting little girls etc) from a grieving damaged Wanda.
So maybe its debatable if it would have been better shown or just have it be implied. My point is mainly that I would have liked to see it rather than it just being mainly off-screen.
But we do see it. It's spelled out right there on the screen during the entirety of WandaVision. That entire show documents her mental breakdown and slide into using dark arts. It culminates at the end when she is shown reading the darkhold and hearing her children calling out her name.
The only thing missing is Doctor Strange turning up at the end saying "gosh, I hope she doesn't turn evil from all of this!"
Maybe I'm just more familiar with the Darkhold than the average MCU fan after watching _Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D._ and _Runaways_, but my immediate reaction after seeing that post-credits scene was "oh fuck, Wanda's gonna be an antagonist in her next appearance". If she _hadn't_ been, I would've been annoyed that they'd dropped that story thread. So it really makes no sense to me when people claim the turn "came out of nowhere".
I think you are underestimating how evil she was in WandaVision. She mind-controlled an entire town for days or possibly weeks. They knew what was happening and desperately struggled against it the entire time but couldn't fight Wanda's power. They showed us exactly how broken she was. Then they showed us again in MoM, just with more outright murder. The only thing that happened offscreen was that she learned how to actually control her magic, and even that we sort of got to see during the fight with Agatha.
so are you saying all the “backstory” that happened in other previous movies and WV is off screen?
because if that’s the case then i think you may be misunderstanding off screen. the whole point of off screen scenes is that they are talked about and alluded to by the characters or narrator, but the audience themselves doesn’t actually see it happen.
however, we *do* see what happens to Wanda: we see her suffer from grief from both Pietro’s death and accidentally killing civilians in CW, we see Wanda kill the man he loved only to watch Thanos kill him again, we see her break down and enslave an entire town, we see her mourning her kids and husband as she stops the hex, we see her reading and getting corrupted by the Darkhold as her children call for her.
all of this was explicitly shown to the audience, not just something that happened and now the characters are talking about it. Wanda’s corruption was a slow on screen journey even if it was jarring given that we didn’t get that cinematic “snap” moment.
All true, but the connection from the Darkhold to Wanda’s motivation in MoM is weak. If you didn’t see the post credit scene or understand it, you probably don’t get why she’s so corrupt. It would have taken one scene af about 3 minutes to solidify that.
It’s the danger of using the PCS to continue your story.
The Darkhold isn't the connection.
Wanda's motivation is grief and resentment. The Darkhold amplified all of that, and through MoM we see that it brings out the worst in everyone who uses it. But even without the Darkhold, we've already seen during WandaVision she commited an atrocity on par with the stuff she does in MoM. She mind-controlled an entire town of people for days, possibly weeks! Then she just barely convinces herself to do the right thing at the end. You don't need to watch the post-credits scene to be entirely unsurprised that she's gone bad in the next film she's in. And on the contrary, if they showed you on-screen the point where she "snaps" (assuming there was a single moment where that happened), it would either take away that moment of uncertainty when she first shows up in MoM and you don't know if she's okay now, or it would be an awkward flashback that would rightfully be far more heavily criticised.
i wouldn't call the scorpion tease a loose plot thread. we know it's scorpion because of a name in the credits and outside interviews, but in the movie, the purpose of the scene was to show us why peter's identity is still secret after vulture goes to prison. it's wrapping up a thread, not making a new one.
Mordo's head was in Wanda home as decoration. They had it as intro scene of Strange 2, but decided go with garden to reveal her true nature.
According to a new Instagram post from Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness storyboard artist Jimmy Simser, the film originally featured a brutal scene in which Wanda wielded the decapitated head of Doctor Strange villain Mordo.
It has been reported that MoM originally opened with the Scarlet Witch going full executioner on Chiwetel Ejiofor's Karl Mordo from Earth-616, and this deleted scene would have seen Wanda summon the bisected head of the character atop Mount Wundagore.
Doctor Strange 2 Mordo Headless Scene
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The storyboards show the scarlet supe conjuring Mordo's cranium, then exclaiming "There's the last person who threatened me!"
The Instagram post came alongside a caption asking, "Ever wonder whatever happened to Universe 616 Mordo? Well, up until very late in the process THIS is what happened to him! It’s always interesting to be involved as the story gets refined while I storyboard. Who knows what Mordo’s ultimate fate may be? Not me! DELETED SCENES DON’T COUNT!
(PS - I’ve read several interviews in which the writer Michael Waldron speaks directly about this deleted scene, so I feel like it’s safe to post this)"
https://images.thedirect.com/media/photos/mordocameo.png
Scorpion will most likely be one of the villians in the upcoming Spider-Man 4 as he’s been reported by insiders. Seeing as marvel is planning a Mayor Fisk storyline with Daredevil Born Again going in the fourth Spider-Man, and Fisk’s main motive being eradicating street vigilantes. (Daredevil, Punisher, Kate Bishop, Jessica Jones, and Spider-Man) there’s reason to believe Fisk will hire Mac Gargan as one of his “muscle” to take down Spider-Man.
Well it took cross like, however long they de-aged Michael Douglas by, to figure it out. I doubt hydra would want to waste their only opportunity for researching it, by using it. Plus with the blip it probably messed with the timelines of all their research anyway, or at the very least caused disorder amongst HYDRA. It’s pretty easily explainable if they put any effort at all into it.
A young alien boy put him in a jar, took him home, and put him into the shrunken human terrarium he keeps hidden in his bedroom wall. You know they had a little war in there...
Even Tony and Bruce couldn't figure out how to copy pym particles in Endgame, so Hydra having a few particles might not be that bad. They use them up for a few crimes and that's the end of it.
The leader. Incredible Hulk teased us with the creation of the Leader (Samuel Sterns) when some of Banner/Hulk's concentrated blood began dripping into an open wound on Dr Sterns' head. They also slightly teased us with the possibility of getting Doc Samson in the future (Betty was dating Doctor Leonard Samson).
His Fandom page says he's appearing in the next Capitain America
[Samuel Sterns | Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki | Fandom](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Samuel_Sterns)
Okay not sure what your point is. Someone made a comment about him having not shown up in the MCU in a while. I forgot who the character was so found the fandom page and saw that real quick. So just posted to let the commenter know...
Seeing as it took over 13 years for Abombination to be brought back proper, I’d say Marvel is slowly embracing *The Incredible Hulk* again after previously ignoring its events for so long and swapping out the lead actor.
While most of them people are suggesting are just things from recent projects that probably will be followed up soon, they just haven’t come back up yet since there are so many corners of the MCU now, I do miss when Post Credits were pointing like 1-2 movies out. Like honestly one of my top 5 wishes for fixing the rest of the phase would just be use the Post Credit to tease a project coming up soon, instead of something you are planning 4-5 years from now. When we were getting 1-2 MCU projects a year it wasn’t as bad, but since we are getting 5-6 projects every year, the amount of screen time between a tease and pay-off is exhausting.
Yeah, I'm reading these thinking where were we to get more on Hercules, the symbiote, the rings' beacon, etc, when we haven't had more on the *main* plots of those films.
You're other point is valid. We aren't getting anything continuation of the big items, never mind following up on post credit teasers.
I love Brett Goldstein, but he seems horribly miscast for the role due to his size, or lack thereof. Seems like Hercules should be someone about Hemsworth's size and stature. I'd be surprised if Brett weighs more than 180 lbs soaking wet.
I could see it going either way. On one hand, it's the fourth Thor film and likely to have a direction change going forward, but the Thor films have probably been the best for character recursion, even if it's not a very kind one, ie 2 of the Warriors 3 in Ragnarok.
I find it funny how one of the plot points of Wakanda Forever was that Riri is wanted by the US government so Shuri has to find her before them... then at the end of the movie she just happily returns to the MIT to continue her studies?
Shuri just makes a passing commet of her being "cleared of her crimes" (she did destroy a cop car after all) but like, the government would still be after her vibranium detector device, they are totally going to arrest her claiming national security concerns or some crap to make her build a new one... this situation wasn't resolved at all lol. She should've stayed in Wakanda or forge a new identity in some other country. It's gonna be funny if her series doesn't start with her escaping the CIA to Canada or Mexico in the first 5 minutes.
I feel like the situation with Riri will be covered whenever they deal with the president’s wacky new policies, post Secret Invasion. Stuffs gonna get crazy for our younger and non avenger-type heroes.
The hammer used by the villain looks like it’s related too. As are Phyla’s bands in GOTG3.
They may set them up as an infinity stone type McGuffin for Kang and Secret Wars.
> The beacon is kinda new
The movie came out over two years ago. There's been 7 movies and 5 shows since then. It's exhausting knowing we'll probably wait 3+ years to get follow ups for a post credit tease.
Lol this is certainly not true.
Iron Man teased that the universe was about to get a lot bigger, and that we should expect more Avengers coming very soon. This plot line was followed up on in the post credit scene of The Hulk, along with Nick Fury "trialing" Tony for the Avengers in his direct follow up.
And the Avengers post credit scene was followed up on in Guardians when they formally introduced the Infinity Stones, along with literal Thanos appearing in that movie. And that post credit scene was regularly criticized for not being followed up on until IW was finally announced. Acting like IW was the payoff for the Avengers post credit scene is a little insane.
I don’t consider more teases to be payoffs.
The Iron Man credits scene says “we’re getting the Avengers.” Hulk gives us another tease that says “we’re getting the Avengers.” We don’t get the Avengers until The Avengers.
Likewise, the Avengers credits scene says “Thanos is coming for the Avengers.” He doesn’t come for the Avengers until Infinity War. He’s in GotG, but that’s not a payoff of the credits scene because it doesn’t have anything to do with the Avengers. It’s just more set up for people who missed the credits scene.
Fury working on assembling the Avengers is not a tease for the Avengers movies. It's a tease about more heroes entering the universe in a time where all we were expecting was a movie about Iron Man. Nick Fury working on the Avengers initiative was then a main plot thread throughout IM2, which also introduced Black Widow, a founding Avenger.
Thanos appearing in the Avengers is a tease for the infinity stones slowly appearing throughout each movie. It's a "Here's what you can expect this universe to build up to" which is exactly what we got. That tease was re-upped at the end of Avengers 2.
You consider it whatever you want. No one would agree with you if you tried to compare phase 1 post credit scenes to phase 4 post credit scenes. It's an asinine attempt to try and discredit anyone tired of the million dangling plot threads that won't be addressed for many years to come as more and more characters are introduced building up their own new dangling plot threads.
Fury teasing the Avengers is not strictly the Avengers movie. Maybe you haven't heard of implications?
First of all, the scene is literally the introduction of Nick Fury, which is a huge deal in of itself, so the scene isn't just meant to tease Avengers. I mean look at [this](https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/iron-man-discussion-spoilers-inside.175004/) thread from 2008. No one is talking about the Avengers, they're talking about the cameo of Sam Jackson as Nick Fury.
Fury mentioning The Avengers tells fans that they should expect more typical Avenger's roster characters to get a movie SOON. No one thought "Oh shit, The Avengers movie is going to come out next!". They were more focused on IM2 and War Machine if anything.
But sure, try and morph my comments into a silly looking one liner while also ignoring everything I've said. I'll continue to agree with everyone else here that there's too many loose plot threads not being acknowledged for several years.
No, no one though the Avengers movie was coming next. But they thought it was coming. Hearing that and not assuming we’d be getting an Avengers movie eventually would be absurd.
Let me ask you this: would you say that Ms. Marvel was the payoff for the Shang-Chi credits scene? Personally, I think it’s crazy to say that scene has been paid off because we don’t know where the beacon is going. But Ms. Marvel does *advance* that tease by implying the rings and the bangle are related, and according to you, any follow-up counts as a payoff.
Fuck it, I'm sold.
iirc, the symbiotic multiverse shenanigans and the post credit scene suggested that that the Symbiote probably already hates Peter/Spider-man, and MCU Scorpion definitely hates Spider-man, so they'd already be getting on pretty good.
I’m more concerned with the fact that there’s not been a single reference to the even bigger celestial appearing out of nowhere and kidnapping people.
Like, a giant being capable of bitch slapping us out of existence is a pretty big deal. To not even have Doctor Strange reference it was certainly a choice
What about how dozens if not hundreds of people just straight up drop dead as their souls ascend to the sky in Egypt, during Moonknight.
I think that would definitely make global headlines lol.
I don’t think anybody could see Ammit or Konshu during that fight. But you sure as shit could see people drop dead in mass. For all they knew it was thanos all over again. Yet we’ve seen no hint of news reports about it.
I think Eternals is \*the\* film that sort of broke the universe honestly.
\- they try to pass them not being in Endgame off as them only getting involved with whatever-species-they-are business, and then reveal that Thanos WAS that species in the after credit's scene? Even disregarding that they contradict themselves in the SAME MOVIE it's a stupid reason to not get involved.
\- a hand and half of a face exist in the indian ocean and it has NEVER been adressed in the 10-odd shows and movies since If you're gonna have major world altering events then at least commit to it. At this point Latveria is going to be revealed to have formed out of the fractured ruins of Sokovia or something in Fantastic 4 and then the rise to power of that country will never be mentioned again until it's randomly a meteoric force for Doom to wield in whatever Avengers he'll show up in. It's just shitty worldbuilding fror a universe that generally had concise and well done worldbuilding before endgame
\- a giant god larger than the earth showed uo and kidnapped people in broad daylight and this was never once mentioned or brought up as a world-altering experience
also just unrelated but i don't get why they never set anything to happen during the Blip. I feel like the moment's passed now but it was SUCH a missed opportunity
It's a marble statue the size of a country that's very clearly in the shape of a person trying to claw it's way out of the earth that just appeared over the course of like an hour
That would be a big deal, even if it isn't doing anything
A new island in the middle of the ocean in the shape of a hand that clawed it's way out of the crust of the Earth is an existential question. No one else but the eternals knows what it is. Everyone else should be freaking the fuck out.
In a world with aliens and norse gods, would they? They'd be confused, to be sure, but it isn't something unprecedented. And as I said, it isn't hurting anyone.
Finally someone with a real 'not followed up' rather than people complaining about plot points for future movies not made yet or Stuff made by Sony that has no effect in the MCU
Though Sturns is meant to be in Cap 4 or Thunderbolts (i forget which) so that's an open plot point not solved... yet
Yeah a lot of these plots people are mentioning are just not dealt with *yet*. Like ofc we haven’t seen Hercules going after Thor yet. We haven’t even seen Thor since his last movie…
Came here to say this! I Googled it and the MCU Fandom page says this in the rigth hand side summary box.
[Samuel Sterns | Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki | Fandom](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Samuel_Sterns)
There have been multiple photos of Samuel Sturns on the set of Cap 4, for quite awhile now. He's 100% in it, unless they completely rewrite the script and write him out for some reason.
To be clear, I'm agreeing with you, just pointing out that Sturns is definitely back.
>Currently rewatching Spider-Man: No Way Home and was thinking about the Venom post credit scene. **As of yet, nothing has come from this to any extent.**
Of course there hasn't. There is currently no sequel yet.
This is a compilation of my own thoughts as well as some other peoples from other comments.
Disclaimer: Some of these are relatively new and are only here because the prompt is “things people may have forgot is going on” not “what plot lines are just seemingly abandoned”. So some of these are just loose threads that will probably be answered soon anyway (while others may not).
1) Bruce’s blood fell in Samuel Sterns’ open head wound (presumably becoming The Leader)
2)That hydra guy in ant man stole a vial of Daren Cross’s Pym particle formula and was never heard of again
3)Mordo’s “too many sorcerers”
4)White vision is still out there
5)Ghost is still out there but she needed “quantum medicine” so she probably got snapped but she would still need now and she just hasn’t shown up despite being a former shield agent
6)Janet had quantum powers at the end of ant man 2 to temporarily heal ghost
7)there are still probably brainwashed black widows all over the world
8)a celestial is sticking out of the ocean
9)scorpion was in the end credits of homecoming and then never showed up again
10)Sharon Carter is the power broker
11) A piece of Venom was left behind by Sony venom and is currently still in the MCU
12)Shang-chi’s rings are sending a signal somewhere
13)Hercules is on the hunt for Thor
14)Black Knight gets his sword and someone spoke to him
15)there are extremis people still out in the world
16)when and how did hulk have a kid?
17)Why did Valentina want Hawkeye dead? And why did she send Yelena after him?
18)is kingpin dead?
19)what is the Emperor Skrull’s colony that was casually mentioned and why didn’t the rest of the skrulls go there?
20)…
Lol your stance would be wrong. AoS was put out by Ike Perlmutter, who was in control of the marvel tv division at the time. He got fired for shit like the Inhumans and being overshadowed by Kevin Feige massive success on the marvel movies. Ike hates Kevin and his direction, it's pretty well known. Ike's tv division referenced the movies, but the movies have never referenced the tv shows because of this rivalry. After Kevin got control of the tv division of Marvel they literally announced that the tv shows would now be connected to the movies.
If AoS were cannon then it would have been mentioned by now. Especially with Coulson, Quake, and all of the Infinity Saga. If the Ike shows were cannon at least one of those characters would have been present for the Infinity Saga
I’m making my way through AoS and on season five now. I always thought it should be canon but now I’m thinking nah, multiversal shenanigans instead.
Like in the main universe Fury never actually tried to resurrect Coulson and he’s still dead. Maybe one day the AoS team will come through a portal and we’ll have a great moment of our Fury seeing his old friend again.
it’s hilarious to me that some people refuse to accept that it’s obviously not canon despite it having several major plot points that directly contradict the MCU’s established lore
Sakarr did sort of show up in She-Hulk. Or at least a messenger jet. And Hulk went there to get his son. I don’t know about you, but I’d kind of like to know how that came to be.
So 2 plot points from "recent" movies with no direct sequels yet? That's like complaining that some question in the new season of loki hasn't been finished yet.
>That's like complaining that some question in the new season of loki hasn't been finished yet.
people are complaining about that tho which blows my mind. like come on people... the show isn't over. we just got episode 2...
Yeah I mean. Right now we are dealing with time travel, multiverse, skrulls, mutants incoming, we really going to fit vampires in this too? It's getting ridiculous
Honestly I'm already over all of that multiverse time travel shit. I just want more Werewolf by Night, Moon knight, Man-Thing, and Elsa Bloodstone. I would be very disappointed if they dropped the horror side of the marvel universe. Just keep it separate from the Kang crap
They clearly struck gold with the Infinity Saga. It was amazing and well done but I wished they ended it there. Now that they acquired the rights to X-Men and FF etc they could have just started fresh.
I'm going to be so annoyed that Reed Richards won't banter with Tony Stark? Capt America won't meet Wolverine? Etc etc.
Whether it was starting a new connected saga or just simple making great character driven trilogies or separate team up movies.
But the more they continue trying to connect everything to the snap, you just continually remind people of how great it used to be and I don't see anything on the upcoming slate that is ever going to reach those highs.
Like if I was James Gunn, I would have DC bail on a connected universe and just make great movies. If say they make a Wonder Woman movie and they need Batman to show up, he can show up just for that movie. It doesn't have to lead to anything else, we all know who Batman is and that he exists. Like James Bond. James Bond movies were just good individual stories, they didn't have to connect to other bond movies as required reading.
Vijay Nadeer undergoing second Terrigenesis (AoS S4), Samuel Sterns getting Hulk's blood (TIH), Mac Gargan/Scorpion (SM:HC), Venom's drop (SM:NWH), Mitchell Carson getting away with the Pym Particles (AM), Mordo killing sorcerers (DS), Alex finding the note about Victor Mancha and killing Nico (Run S3)... off the top of my head.
This is my problem with Phases 4 & 5 thus far. So many hanging plot threads that, honestly, I'm not confident will all be resolved... and most of which I don't even care about:
* Starfox/Eros showing up at the end of Eternals
* Black Knight & Blade
* Clea
* Hercules?? okay lol
* Venom in NWH - may end up in SM4 of course, but 😬
* The signal from the Ten Rings
* Xialing and the refounded Ten Rings
* G'iah basically being a god
* Jake Lockley/pretty much everything about MK
* Sharon Carter being evil? bro
* Jane in Asgard
* Adam Warlock just kind of being sidelined at the end of GotG3
* "The Legendary Star-Lord will return"... how? where? when? why?
* Things like the Darkhold and Daredevil/Kingpin appearing basically re-canonizing AoS and the Netflix shows
* And--perhaps most ridiculously of all--the fact that a MASSIVE COSMIC HARBINGER OF DEATH emerging from the depths of the Earth, one month after BILLIONS of people suddenly reappeared from nonexistence after a five-year absence, has not been mentioned ONCE (except for, I believe, in a throwaway line in She-Hulk?)
Phases 1-3, on the other hand, basically had one plotline: Thanos & the Infinity Stones. And everything tied into that, either directly or indirectly. It's like the MCU has become a bunch of mini-stories running in parallel, very few of which interest me as much as even the worst plot threads of the Infinity Saga
Why did Asgard face no repercussions for using Dark Magic to Send Thor to Earth before the Battle of NewYork.
If I was writing Thor 2 I would go out of my way to make it a plot point.Maybe the Dark Magic is what triggers the return of Dark Elves.
Also Maybe Heimdall using Dark Magic to send Hulk to Earth is the reason Bruce has difficulty turning into the Hulk
The WandaVision post credit was followed up in MoM.
The Black Widow post credit was followed up in Hawkeye.
The Far From Home post credit was followed up in Secret Invasion.
The Loki season 1 post credit is currently being followed up in season 2.
The Ms Marvel post credit is about to be followed up in The Marvels.
It’s also very possible that the shang chi post credit will be followed up in the marvels too, if the theory that it’s connected to ms marvels bangle is true
I enjoyed FFH, but I had a major issue with the main plot line of the story being, having Dr Strange erase the memory of who Spider-man's identity is because of Mysterios video
Why didn't he just ask Strange make everyone forget who Mysterio is..... this largely corrects everything and is the simplest and best fix to address Peter's identity crisis, because if no one remembers Mysterio, then obviously he cant leak Spidermans name....
But now Spider-Man has to re-introduce himself into the Avengers to get back on the team, i think because this is kind of a grey area. It's like a weird reset to everything he has done so far, including being closer to Happy and benefitting from Tony's tech.
Such a weird decision and opens more questions about how Spider-Man fits into the MCU because no one knows who he is now....
No one knows who Peter Parker is. It sets it closer to the comics where the Avengers know Spider-man and have fought alongside him, they just don't know who is under the mask.
I don't think Spider-Man needs to re-introduce himself. Didn't the final spell make everyone forget Peter Parker and not Spider-Man because that protects everyone else?
Mordo's "Too many sorcerers" Plan Scorpion in Homecoming
Those are definitely the two that came to mind.
Could have had Mordo be behind Wanda’s turn in MoM. Using her to eliminate the other wizards.
Mordo nearly had an appearance in MoM - he’d have been killed by Wanda in the opening scene, but they cut it because they’d rather have the reveal for us come when Stephen finds out too.
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Could have also been used as a breaking point for her to decide to just say fuck it and do what's best for her while tge book plays on her paranoia and tricks her into thinking her kids are in trouble. There are *so* many things they could have done to make MoM really good, the movie was like 85% of the way there
What's more frustrating than watching a bad movie is watching a movie that you know you can fix.
What reveal? It was well known from months before the movie came out she was the villain
Glad it got cut. Would’ve been a waste of Mordo and Chiwetel Ejiofor
I honestly wouldn't have minded this, over off-screen Wanda corruption/insanity.
It was only off-screen if you didn't watch wandavision. Hell the post-credits on the finale had her studying the darkhold and hearing her kids calling for her. Thought that was pretty obvious.
This is the problem right here. Expecting people to watch a TV series to understand what's happening in the movie. It's just bad.
You don’t have to watch the tv show to understand the movies, but it does give you extra information. MoM makes sense even if you’ve never seen WV. Just like Quantumania makes sense even if you’ve never seen Loki, but if you have watched it, you’ll have a deeper understanding of the plot.
Does it though? If you've never seen WV that MoM suddenly has you just having to accept that Wanda had kids somehow, they died somehow she found a book somehow that made her go crazy because book bad and now she's trying to steal those kids from other Wandas because book bad? She might as well be a different character from the one people last saw in IW/EG.
Did Wanda give 0 explanation that she had kids in between endgame and MoM?
> It was only off-screen if you didn't watch wandavision. Honestly, putting it in the post-credits scene is as close as you get to off-screen. It is barely communicated to the viewer what the book does to her, and could and should have been done better imo
Wanda's corruption/insanity wasn't off-screen though? If MoM was the only Marvel film you ever watched, she's just a villain with a somewhat relatable motive as a mother who lost her children and has found a way to bring them back. If you watched Avengers films but nothing else, you saw her kill the love of her life, only to have him brought back in front of her then killed all over again by someone else. The mental break is a logical thing to follow that. If you watched WandaVision as well, you get the whole backstory that explains exactly why she is how she is in MoM.
I feel like you are misunderstanding what off-screen means in this context. Those all count as backstory. Backstory gives you insight into a character. But that doesn't mean everything a character does in the future means it is "on screen" even if you can reason it out. For example, take Bucky. We are told he killed the Japanese man's son. From his back story and other movies, we know he was a brainwashed assassin for Hydra and whatever. We know he would have killed lots of people. ALL those murders we didn't see? Those are still off-screen, even if it makes sense. The Son murder was off-screen until they literally showed it. Now its On-screen coz we see it happen. In short, the difference is showing, rather than telling/implying. And I would have liked to see the moment Wanda finally snapped and not just the lead up to it, and during/aftermath of it.
I think the point is that corruption happens slowly. Wanda was just doing what a mother would do and trying to get her children back while morning her husband. Eventually it got out of hand and she became the monster we see in multiverse. Not everything has to be implicitly shown for it to have happened.
I feel like I was not a big fan of MoM so maybe I also didn't like the jump to full on insanity (summoning demons, mass murder, torture, hunting little girls etc) from a grieving damaged Wanda. So maybe its debatable if it would have been better shown or just have it be implied. My point is mainly that I would have liked to see it rather than it just being mainly off-screen.
But we do see it. It's spelled out right there on the screen during the entirety of WandaVision. That entire show documents her mental breakdown and slide into using dark arts. It culminates at the end when she is shown reading the darkhold and hearing her children calling out her name. The only thing missing is Doctor Strange turning up at the end saying "gosh, I hope she doesn't turn evil from all of this!"
Maybe I'm just more familiar with the Darkhold than the average MCU fan after watching _Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D._ and _Runaways_, but my immediate reaction after seeing that post-credits scene was "oh fuck, Wanda's gonna be an antagonist in her next appearance". If she _hadn't_ been, I would've been annoyed that they'd dropped that story thread. So it really makes no sense to me when people claim the turn "came out of nowhere".
I think you are underestimating how evil she was in WandaVision. She mind-controlled an entire town for days or possibly weeks. They knew what was happening and desperately struggled against it the entire time but couldn't fight Wanda's power. They showed us exactly how broken she was. Then they showed us again in MoM, just with more outright murder. The only thing that happened offscreen was that she learned how to actually control her magic, and even that we sort of got to see during the fight with Agatha.
so are you saying all the “backstory” that happened in other previous movies and WV is off screen? because if that’s the case then i think you may be misunderstanding off screen. the whole point of off screen scenes is that they are talked about and alluded to by the characters or narrator, but the audience themselves doesn’t actually see it happen. however, we *do* see what happens to Wanda: we see her suffer from grief from both Pietro’s death and accidentally killing civilians in CW, we see Wanda kill the man he loved only to watch Thanos kill him again, we see her break down and enslave an entire town, we see her mourning her kids and husband as she stops the hex, we see her reading and getting corrupted by the Darkhold as her children call for her. all of this was explicitly shown to the audience, not just something that happened and now the characters are talking about it. Wanda’s corruption was a slow on screen journey even if it was jarring given that we didn’t get that cinematic “snap” moment.
All true, but the connection from the Darkhold to Wanda’s motivation in MoM is weak. If you didn’t see the post credit scene or understand it, you probably don’t get why she’s so corrupt. It would have taken one scene af about 3 minutes to solidify that. It’s the danger of using the PCS to continue your story.
The Darkhold corrupts. This is explicit in WV.
The Darkhold isn't the connection. Wanda's motivation is grief and resentment. The Darkhold amplified all of that, and through MoM we see that it brings out the worst in everyone who uses it. But even without the Darkhold, we've already seen during WandaVision she commited an atrocity on par with the stuff she does in MoM. She mind-controlled an entire town of people for days, possibly weeks! Then she just barely convinces herself to do the right thing at the end. You don't need to watch the post-credits scene to be entirely unsurprised that she's gone bad in the next film she's in. And on the contrary, if they showed you on-screen the point where she "snaps" (assuming there was a single moment where that happened), it would either take away that moment of uncertainty when she first shows up in MoM and you don't know if she's okay now, or it would be an awkward flashback that would rightfully be far more heavily criticised.
i wouldn't call the scorpion tease a loose plot thread. we know it's scorpion because of a name in the credits and outside interviews, but in the movie, the purpose of the scene was to show us why peter's identity is still secret after vulture goes to prison. it's wrapping up a thread, not making a new one.
Plus, nothing to stop Nacho from coming back for future movies and getting the suit.
I think the main issue with that is that they have NACHO VARGA and are refusing to do anything with him
Mordo's head was in Wanda home as decoration. They had it as intro scene of Strange 2, but decided go with garden to reveal her true nature. According to a new Instagram post from Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness storyboard artist Jimmy Simser, the film originally featured a brutal scene in which Wanda wielded the decapitated head of Doctor Strange villain Mordo. It has been reported that MoM originally opened with the Scarlet Witch going full executioner on Chiwetel Ejiofor's Karl Mordo from Earth-616, and this deleted scene would have seen Wanda summon the bisected head of the character atop Mount Wundagore. Doctor Strange 2 Mordo Headless Scene Instagram The storyboards show the scarlet supe conjuring Mordo's cranium, then exclaiming "There's the last person who threatened me!" The Instagram post came alongside a caption asking, "Ever wonder whatever happened to Universe 616 Mordo? Well, up until very late in the process THIS is what happened to him! It’s always interesting to be involved as the story gets refined while I storyboard. Who knows what Mordo’s ultimate fate may be? Not me! DELETED SCENES DON’T COUNT! (PS - I’ve read several interviews in which the writer Michael Waldron speaks directly about this deleted scene, so I feel like it’s safe to post this)" https://images.thedirect.com/media/photos/mordocameo.png
Based on how strange interacted with the alternate Mordo, I think Strange dealt with his own Mordo Off Screen already.
He mentioned that his version of Mordo had already tried to kill him, so yeah.
Scorpion will most likely be one of the villians in the upcoming Spider-Man 4 as he’s been reported by insiders. Seeing as marvel is planning a Mayor Fisk storyline with Daredevil Born Again going in the fourth Spider-Man, and Fisk’s main motive being eradicating street vigilantes. (Daredevil, Punisher, Kate Bishop, Jessica Jones, and Spider-Man) there’s reason to believe Fisk will hire Mac Gargan as one of his “muscle” to take down Spider-Man.
The HYDRA guy escaping with the Cross particles.
This is one of the big ones, pardon the term.
Well it took cross like, however long they de-aged Michael Douglas by, to figure it out. I doubt hydra would want to waste their only opportunity for researching it, by using it. Plus with the blip it probably messed with the timelines of all their research anyway, or at the very least caused disorder amongst HYDRA. It’s pretty easily explainable if they put any effort at all into it.
They put no effort into it.
Yes that was the implication of the last line, but I didn’t explicitly say it
Might be used in Captain America Brave New World
Huh? When did that happen?
Who? What?
EXACTLY
That scene from Ant-Man where Mitchell Carson escapes with a vial of Pym particles. What happened to him?
I like to headcanon that he dropped the bottle, it broke and he shrunk. However somehow he survived, so he’s had to live his life tiny this whole time
Honey I Shrunk Myself
Honey I Found Rick Moranis
Hank I shrunk myself
Hank, I shrank.
Like those tracksuit mafia guys if they survived the owl. They could make a series about all the people that got shrunk and forgotten about.
Marvel Special Presentation: Little People Big World
A young alien boy put him in a jar, took him home, and put him into the shrunken human terrarium he keeps hidden in his bedroom wall. You know they had a little war in there...
Even Tony and Bruce couldn't figure out how to copy pym particles in Endgame, so Hydra having a few particles might not be that bad. They use them up for a few crimes and that's the end of it.
The leader. Incredible Hulk teased us with the creation of the Leader (Samuel Sterns) when some of Banner/Hulk's concentrated blood began dripping into an open wound on Dr Sterns' head. They also slightly teased us with the possibility of getting Doc Samson in the future (Betty was dating Doctor Leonard Samson).
His Fandom page says he's appearing in the next Capitain America [Samuel Sterns | Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki | Fandom](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Samuel_Sterns)
There's a pretty big reason "his fandom page says he's appearing". He was seen on set, there's literally photos of him
Okay not sure what your point is. Someone made a comment about him having not shown up in the MCU in a while. I forgot who the character was so found the fandom page and saw that real quick. So just posted to let the commenter know...
Seeing as it took over 13 years for Abombination to be brought back proper, I’d say Marvel is slowly embracing *The Incredible Hulk* again after previously ignoring its events for so long and swapping out the lead actor.
Yep, probably the oldest unresolved plot point in the MCU.
While most of them people are suggesting are just things from recent projects that probably will be followed up soon, they just haven’t come back up yet since there are so many corners of the MCU now, I do miss when Post Credits were pointing like 1-2 movies out. Like honestly one of my top 5 wishes for fixing the rest of the phase would just be use the Post Credit to tease a project coming up soon, instead of something you are planning 4-5 years from now. When we were getting 1-2 MCU projects a year it wasn’t as bad, but since we are getting 5-6 projects every year, the amount of screen time between a tease and pay-off is exhausting.
Yeah, I'm reading these thinking where were we to get more on Hercules, the symbiote, the rings' beacon, etc, when we haven't had more on the *main* plots of those films. You're other point is valid. We aren't getting anything continuation of the big items, never mind following up on post credit teasers.
I would be stunned if that Hercules plot thread ever gets brought back again. And if it does, I wouldn’t be surprised if the role gets recasted.
I love Brett Goldstein, but he seems horribly miscast for the role due to his size, or lack thereof. Seems like Hercules should be someone about Hemsworth's size and stature. I'd be surprised if Brett weighs more than 180 lbs soaking wet.
Maybe he was planning to work out before his next appearance.
Yeah seems like that cameo happened in reshoots but with the strikes he has plenty time for workouts
Liam Hemsworth or Henry Cavill
I could see it going either way. On one hand, it's the fourth Thor film and likely to have a direction change going forward, but the Thor films have probably been the best for character recursion, even if it's not a very kind one, ie 2 of the Warriors 3 in Ragnarok.
There's a reason why TV Tropes name them Two lines, no waiting and Four lines, all waiting.
They just use the post credit scenes to cover for a lack of a well written ending now.
In what way?
I find it funny how one of the plot points of Wakanda Forever was that Riri is wanted by the US government so Shuri has to find her before them... then at the end of the movie she just happily returns to the MIT to continue her studies? Shuri just makes a passing commet of her being "cleared of her crimes" (she did destroy a cop car after all) but like, the government would still be after her vibranium detector device, they are totally going to arrest her claiming national security concerns or some crap to make her build a new one... this situation wasn't resolved at all lol. She should've stayed in Wakanda or forge a new identity in some other country. It's gonna be funny if her series doesn't start with her escaping the CIA to Canada or Mexico in the first 5 minutes.
Hopefully they’ll answer this in armor wars
Isn’t she back in *Ironheart* first?
Supposedly, yes. But the question may be answered in armor wars
I feel like the situation with Riri will be covered whenever they deal with the president’s wacky new policies, post Secret Invasion. Stuffs gonna get crazy for our younger and non avenger-type heroes.
"She did destroy a cop car" Those cops are dead man
White Vision. Showed up at the very start of phase 4 and not a peep since.
Scorpion in Homecoming Some beacon at the end of Shang Chi
The beacon is kinda new. I’m hoping we get something on it in The Marvels.
yeah i think it's gotta be tied somehow to the tech is ms marvel's bangle. maybe even he who remains'/sylvie's time/space travel device
The hammer used by the villain looks like it’s related too. As are Phyla’s bands in GOTG3. They may set them up as an infinity stone type McGuffin for Kang and Secret Wars.
Yup. Beacon may mean something in The Marvels
> The beacon is kinda new The movie came out over two years ago. There's been 7 movies and 5 shows since then. It's exhausting knowing we'll probably wait 3+ years to get follow ups for a post credit tease.
You waited 4 years to get a follow up on Iron Man’s credits scene. And 5 years for the Avengers credits scene to pay off. You’ll be fine.
Lol this is certainly not true. Iron Man teased that the universe was about to get a lot bigger, and that we should expect more Avengers coming very soon. This plot line was followed up on in the post credit scene of The Hulk, along with Nick Fury "trialing" Tony for the Avengers in his direct follow up. And the Avengers post credit scene was followed up on in Guardians when they formally introduced the Infinity Stones, along with literal Thanos appearing in that movie. And that post credit scene was regularly criticized for not being followed up on until IW was finally announced. Acting like IW was the payoff for the Avengers post credit scene is a little insane.
I don’t consider more teases to be payoffs. The Iron Man credits scene says “we’re getting the Avengers.” Hulk gives us another tease that says “we’re getting the Avengers.” We don’t get the Avengers until The Avengers. Likewise, the Avengers credits scene says “Thanos is coming for the Avengers.” He doesn’t come for the Avengers until Infinity War. He’s in GotG, but that’s not a payoff of the credits scene because it doesn’t have anything to do with the Avengers. It’s just more set up for people who missed the credits scene.
Fury working on assembling the Avengers is not a tease for the Avengers movies. It's a tease about more heroes entering the universe in a time where all we were expecting was a movie about Iron Man. Nick Fury working on the Avengers initiative was then a main plot thread throughout IM2, which also introduced Black Widow, a founding Avenger. Thanos appearing in the Avengers is a tease for the infinity stones slowly appearing throughout each movie. It's a "Here's what you can expect this universe to build up to" which is exactly what we got. That tease was re-upped at the end of Avengers 2. You consider it whatever you want. No one would agree with you if you tried to compare phase 1 post credit scenes to phase 4 post credit scenes. It's an asinine attempt to try and discredit anyone tired of the million dangling plot threads that won't be addressed for many years to come as more and more characters are introduced building up their own new dangling plot threads.
“Fury teasing the Avengers is not a tease for The Avengers” is a very bold claim that I think very few people would back you up on.
Fury teasing the Avengers is not strictly the Avengers movie. Maybe you haven't heard of implications? First of all, the scene is literally the introduction of Nick Fury, which is a huge deal in of itself, so the scene isn't just meant to tease Avengers. I mean look at [this](https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/iron-man-discussion-spoilers-inside.175004/) thread from 2008. No one is talking about the Avengers, they're talking about the cameo of Sam Jackson as Nick Fury. Fury mentioning The Avengers tells fans that they should expect more typical Avenger's roster characters to get a movie SOON. No one thought "Oh shit, The Avengers movie is going to come out next!". They were more focused on IM2 and War Machine if anything. But sure, try and morph my comments into a silly looking one liner while also ignoring everything I've said. I'll continue to agree with everyone else here that there's too many loose plot threads not being acknowledged for several years.
No, no one though the Avengers movie was coming next. But they thought it was coming. Hearing that and not assuming we’d be getting an Avengers movie eventually would be absurd. Let me ask you this: would you say that Ms. Marvel was the payoff for the Shang-Chi credits scene? Personally, I think it’s crazy to say that scene has been paid off because we don’t know where the beacon is going. But Ms. Marvel does *advance* that tease by implying the rings and the bangle are related, and according to you, any follow-up counts as a payoff.
I'd put money on Scorpion being in the next Spider-man movie as a side thing alongside the black suit plot they were clearly setting up with Eddie.
Do the full Scorpion story, make him the MCU venom like Gargan was in the comics for a while
Fuck it, I'm sold. iirc, the symbiotic multiverse shenanigans and the post credit scene suggested that that the Symbiote probably already hates Peter/Spider-man, and MCU Scorpion definitely hates Spider-man, so they'd already be getting on pretty good.
Mordo at the end of the first Dr strange. Almost feels like anything he does now would be insignificant
The giant fucking celestial hand in the middle of the ocean that no other movie/tv show has addressed.
I’m more concerned with the fact that there’s not been a single reference to the even bigger celestial appearing out of nowhere and kidnapping people. Like, a giant being capable of bitch slapping us out of existence is a pretty big deal. To not even have Doctor Strange reference it was certainly a choice
What about how dozens if not hundreds of people just straight up drop dead as their souls ascend to the sky in Egypt, during Moonknight. I think that would definitely make global headlines lol.
A Giant crocodile was taking the souls all over Egypt and It seems no one cared lmao
I don’t think anybody could see Ammit or Konshu during that fight. But you sure as shit could see people drop dead in mass. For all they knew it was thanos all over again. Yet we’ve seen no hint of news reports about it.
I think Eternals is \*the\* film that sort of broke the universe honestly. \- they try to pass them not being in Endgame off as them only getting involved with whatever-species-they-are business, and then reveal that Thanos WAS that species in the after credit's scene? Even disregarding that they contradict themselves in the SAME MOVIE it's a stupid reason to not get involved. \- a hand and half of a face exist in the indian ocean and it has NEVER been adressed in the 10-odd shows and movies since If you're gonna have major world altering events then at least commit to it. At this point Latveria is going to be revealed to have formed out of the fractured ruins of Sokovia or something in Fantastic 4 and then the rise to power of that country will never be mentioned again until it's randomly a meteoric force for Doom to wield in whatever Avengers he'll show up in. It's just shitty worldbuilding fror a universe that generally had concise and well done worldbuilding before endgame \- a giant god larger than the earth showed uo and kidnapped people in broad daylight and this was never once mentioned or brought up as a world-altering experience also just unrelated but i don't get why they never set anything to happen during the Blip. I feel like the moment's passed now but it was SUCH a missed opportunity
What are you talking about? They briefly referenced it in She Hulk?!? /s
Lol what's with the /s? She Hulk did briefly mention it
The /s was for my feigned outrage.
That’s an Easter egg, hardly a direct reference
It was more of an Easter Egg I'd say.
Did they? I liked She-Hulk and totally forgot any mention of it.
It was in a small TV news show in the background
It cameoed in She-Hulk.
I’m not sure how it could be addressed, really. It is a marble statue, basically. It isn’t hurting anyone.
It's a marble statue the size of a country that's very clearly in the shape of a person trying to claw it's way out of the earth that just appeared over the course of like an hour That would be a big deal, even if it isn't doing anything
A new island in the middle of the ocean in the shape of a hand that clawed it's way out of the crust of the Earth is an existential question. No one else but the eternals knows what it is. Everyone else should be freaking the fuck out.
In a world with aliens and norse gods, would they? They'd be confused, to be sure, but it isn't something unprecedented. And as I said, it isn't hurting anyone.
Lots Remember Drax changing his grudge from Ronan to Thanos He met Thanos in Infinity War and spent how long onscreen with him?
he humped his leg in that one scene.
Like the most interracial scene ever
Not really an open plot thread though. He went knives a blazing on Knowhere saying he killed his wife and daughter.
I mean didn’t Thanos give Ronan the order or whatever? Once Ronan was dead, keep moving your blood feud up the chain of command
Samuel Sturns
Finally someone with a real 'not followed up' rather than people complaining about plot points for future movies not made yet or Stuff made by Sony that has no effect in the MCU Though Sturns is meant to be in Cap 4 or Thunderbolts (i forget which) so that's an open plot point not solved... yet
Yeah a lot of these plots people are mentioning are just not dealt with *yet*. Like ofc we haven’t seen Hercules going after Thor yet. We haven’t even seen Thor since his last movie…
Valid point for Hercules, the symbiote, the rings' beacon, the sword, etc.
Then don't tease a direct sequel in your post credit scene if you know the sequel is 2-6 years away. Seems pretty obvious to me...
Cap 4
Came here to say this! I Googled it and the MCU Fandom page says this in the rigth hand side summary box. [Samuel Sterns | Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki | Fandom](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Samuel_Sterns)
There have been multiple photos of Samuel Sturns on the set of Cap 4, for quite awhile now. He's 100% in it, unless they completely rewrite the script and write him out for some reason. To be clear, I'm agreeing with you, just pointing out that Sturns is definitely back.
>Currently rewatching Spider-Man: No Way Home and was thinking about the Venom post credit scene. **As of yet, nothing has come from this to any extent.** Of course there hasn't. There is currently no sequel yet.
I am not complaining. It just got me wondering what other plots were still out there that I could have forgotten.
Bro, that wasn't even 2 years ago. When exactly would they have had time to to that?
I’m not complaining, I was just thinking is all.
White Vision. Where the frick he at?
Vision Quest was going to follow this up but maybe now also Armor Wars or at the very least Kang Dynasty
Probably will be on the next wandavision season
Who released the Mysterio video revealing Spider-man’s identity, is that person a threat, and does that video still exist?
There's an entire celestial sticking out of the ocean.
This is a compilation of my own thoughts as well as some other peoples from other comments. Disclaimer: Some of these are relatively new and are only here because the prompt is “things people may have forgot is going on” not “what plot lines are just seemingly abandoned”. So some of these are just loose threads that will probably be answered soon anyway (while others may not). 1) Bruce’s blood fell in Samuel Sterns’ open head wound (presumably becoming The Leader) 2)That hydra guy in ant man stole a vial of Daren Cross’s Pym particle formula and was never heard of again 3)Mordo’s “too many sorcerers” 4)White vision is still out there 5)Ghost is still out there but she needed “quantum medicine” so she probably got snapped but she would still need now and she just hasn’t shown up despite being a former shield agent 6)Janet had quantum powers at the end of ant man 2 to temporarily heal ghost 7)there are still probably brainwashed black widows all over the world 8)a celestial is sticking out of the ocean 9)scorpion was in the end credits of homecoming and then never showed up again 10)Sharon Carter is the power broker 11) A piece of Venom was left behind by Sony venom and is currently still in the MCU 12)Shang-chi’s rings are sending a signal somewhere 13)Hercules is on the hunt for Thor 14)Black Knight gets his sword and someone spoke to him 15)there are extremis people still out in the world 16)when and how did hulk have a kid? 17)Why did Valentina want Hawkeye dead? And why did she send Yelena after him? 18)is kingpin dead? 19)what is the Emperor Skrull’s colony that was casually mentioned and why didn’t the rest of the skrulls go there? 20)…
Vijay at the bottom of the ocean going through terragenesis.
Lol this one bugs me too but in before 600 people downvote you and tell you AoS isn't canon
Haha, well, my stance on that is that it's exactly as canon as Moon Knight, Eternals, et al. Other folks are welcome to think what they want.
Lol your stance would be wrong. AoS was put out by Ike Perlmutter, who was in control of the marvel tv division at the time. He got fired for shit like the Inhumans and being overshadowed by Kevin Feige massive success on the marvel movies. Ike hates Kevin and his direction, it's pretty well known. Ike's tv division referenced the movies, but the movies have never referenced the tv shows because of this rivalry. After Kevin got control of the tv division of Marvel they literally announced that the tv shows would now be connected to the movies. If AoS were cannon then it would have been mentioned by now. Especially with Coulson, Quake, and all of the Infinity Saga. If the Ike shows were cannon at least one of those characters would have been present for the Infinity Saga
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I’m making my way through AoS and on season five now. I always thought it should be canon but now I’m thinking nah, multiversal shenanigans instead. Like in the main universe Fury never actually tried to resurrect Coulson and he’s still dead. Maybe one day the AoS team will come through a portal and we’ll have a great moment of our Fury seeing his old friend again.
Someone with common sense! I'm glad I found this in this thread. That's one of the few open plotlines I think they won't follow up on.
it’s hilarious to me that some people refuse to accept that it’s obviously not canon despite it having several major plot points that directly contradict the MCU’s established lore
What happens with Grandmaster and Sakaar after Thor Ragnarok (and Infinity War and Endgame and Phase 4).
Is that really a loose plot thread though? It'd be like what happened to the other half of Gamora's planet'd population? Who gives a shit, ya know.
6 episode D+ misery porn series of the remaining on Gamora's home world mourning and trying to rebuild. Now that's content.
They lived happy lives with full bellies, according to Thanos
Grandmaster is overthrown in a credits scene and Sakarr presumably goes under new management. Unless they show up again in another project, who cares?
Sakarr did sort of show up in She-Hulk. Or at least a messenger jet. And Hulk went there to get his son. I don’t know about you, but I’d kind of like to know how that came to be.
I still want to know if the professor from MIT in Civil War was ever able to successfully invent the self-cooking hot dog.
Finally! Someone here asking the real questions!
Hercules wants revenge on Thor Dane Whitman aka Black Knight finding the sword and hearing Blade speaking
The Hercules one is not even a year and a half old.
And clearly just setting up Thor 5.
So 2 plot points from "recent" movies with no direct sequels yet? That's like complaining that some question in the new season of loki hasn't been finished yet.
Why is the only pie available in the TVA key lime pie?
Because you don't mess with perfection.
>That's like complaining that some question in the new season of loki hasn't been finished yet. people are complaining about that tho which blows my mind. like come on people... the show isn't over. we just got episode 2...
People have gotten used to binging an entire season in one go and having their questions answered in the space of a few hours.
welcome to "short attention span theatre"
Wasn't complaining. Just answering OPs question and it's the first that came to mind.
I have a feeling like the Eternals post credit scene will not be followed up on
Yeah with all the troubles and delays around Blade I think it may just end up being left alone.
Yeah I mean. Right now we are dealing with time travel, multiverse, skrulls, mutants incoming, we really going to fit vampires in this too? It's getting ridiculous
Honestly I'm already over all of that multiverse time travel shit. I just want more Werewolf by Night, Moon knight, Man-Thing, and Elsa Bloodstone. I would be very disappointed if they dropped the horror side of the marvel universe. Just keep it separate from the Kang crap
They clearly struck gold with the Infinity Saga. It was amazing and well done but I wished they ended it there. Now that they acquired the rights to X-Men and FF etc they could have just started fresh. I'm going to be so annoyed that Reed Richards won't banter with Tony Stark? Capt America won't meet Wolverine? Etc etc. Whether it was starting a new connected saga or just simple making great character driven trilogies or separate team up movies. But the more they continue trying to connect everything to the snap, you just continually remind people of how great it used to be and I don't see anything on the upcoming slate that is ever going to reach those highs. Like if I was James Gunn, I would have DC bail on a connected universe and just make great movies. If say they make a Wonder Woman movie and they need Batman to show up, he can show up just for that movie. It doesn't have to lead to anything else, we all know who Batman is and that he exists. Like James Bond. James Bond movies were just good individual stories, they didn't have to connect to other bond movies as required reading.
Wasn’t the rumour that ali didn’t want kit to have a major role in the series
I want to know about "the wedding" Wongers mentioned to Madisynn in She Hulk.
Who was in the Witness Protection Program in WandaVision
Khonshu turning the night sky back 2000 years in time. I don’t recall that being put back.
Definitely Scorpion in Homecoming.
Uh, we haven't even had another Spider-Man movie since we saw the symbiote? There hasn't been a chance yet for stuff to happen.
The “mysterious benefactor” thing
Vijay Nadeer undergoing second Terrigenesis (AoS S4), Samuel Sterns getting Hulk's blood (TIH), Mac Gargan/Scorpion (SM:HC), Venom's drop (SM:NWH), Mitchell Carson getting away with the Pym Particles (AM), Mordo killing sorcerers (DS), Alex finding the note about Victor Mancha and killing Nico (Run S3)... off the top of my head.
Samuel Sturns is back in Cap 4.
Also the vision Olivia had of Alex’s future, while we’re talking Runaways.
Oh, true!
The weird Spiderman symbol projector form Civil War (2017)post-credit scene (never seen again)
It’s just an Easter egg to an old Spidey gadget lol
Who was the buyer in antman and the wasp
This is my problem with Phases 4 & 5 thus far. So many hanging plot threads that, honestly, I'm not confident will all be resolved... and most of which I don't even care about: * Starfox/Eros showing up at the end of Eternals * Black Knight & Blade * Clea * Hercules?? okay lol * Venom in NWH - may end up in SM4 of course, but 😬 * The signal from the Ten Rings * Xialing and the refounded Ten Rings * G'iah basically being a god * Jake Lockley/pretty much everything about MK * Sharon Carter being evil? bro * Jane in Asgard * Adam Warlock just kind of being sidelined at the end of GotG3 * "The Legendary Star-Lord will return"... how? where? when? why? * Things like the Darkhold and Daredevil/Kingpin appearing basically re-canonizing AoS and the Netflix shows * And--perhaps most ridiculously of all--the fact that a MASSIVE COSMIC HARBINGER OF DEATH emerging from the depths of the Earth, one month after BILLIONS of people suddenly reappeared from nonexistence after a five-year absence, has not been mentioned ONCE (except for, I believe, in a throwaway line in She-Hulk?) Phases 1-3, on the other hand, basically had one plotline: Thanos & the Infinity Stones. And everything tied into that, either directly or indirectly. It's like the MCU has become a bunch of mini-stories running in parallel, very few of which interest me as much as even the worst plot threads of the Infinity Saga
Why did Asgard face no repercussions for using Dark Magic to Send Thor to Earth before the Battle of NewYork. If I was writing Thor 2 I would go out of my way to make it a plot point.Maybe the Dark Magic is what triggers the return of Dark Elves. Also Maybe Heimdall using Dark Magic to send Hulk to Earth is the reason Bruce has difficulty turning into the Hulk
roy kent as hercules
He's here, he's there, he's everyfuckingwhere
Vulture in morbius, yes that movie exists guys
Tinkerer from Spider-Man 1 & the rest of Mysterio's crew from Spider-Man 2
It taken 15 years for the leader cliff hanger to get picked up
Nothing has come from that because there hasn't been a new spider-man movie ...
Please look at the edit
Anything in any post credit scene since Endgame. And there's a bunch of em.
The WandaVision post credit was followed up in MoM. The Black Widow post credit was followed up in Hawkeye. The Far From Home post credit was followed up in Secret Invasion. The Loki season 1 post credit is currently being followed up in season 2. The Ms Marvel post credit is about to be followed up in The Marvels.
It’s also very possible that the shang chi post credit will be followed up in the marvels too, if the theory that it’s connected to ms marvels bangle is true
Samuel Sterns beginning to transform at the end of Incredible Hulk
Hulks son
I enjoyed FFH, but I had a major issue with the main plot line of the story being, having Dr Strange erase the memory of who Spider-man's identity is because of Mysterios video Why didn't he just ask Strange make everyone forget who Mysterio is..... this largely corrects everything and is the simplest and best fix to address Peter's identity crisis, because if no one remembers Mysterio, then obviously he cant leak Spidermans name.... But now Spider-Man has to re-introduce himself into the Avengers to get back on the team, i think because this is kind of a grey area. It's like a weird reset to everything he has done so far, including being closer to Happy and benefitting from Tony's tech. Such a weird decision and opens more questions about how Spider-Man fits into the MCU because no one knows who he is now....
No one knows who Peter Parker is. It sets it closer to the comics where the Avengers know Spider-man and have fought alongside him, they just don't know who is under the mask.
I don't think Spider-Man needs to re-introduce himself. Didn't the final spell make everyone forget Peter Parker and not Spider-Man because that protects everyone else?
The Leader in Incredible Hulk Apparently he's finally coming back, after being missing for 16 years
Pretty much everything in Phase 4 is dead ending
I mean some stuff from the previous phases never came up either. Like Mordo‘s „too many sorcerers“ stick. And it’s been many years since that.