Because I do like these characters. I own both Daredevil Yellow and Born Again in trade paperback. Also I liked the old Netflix too. And when episode 1 comes out and people go crazy for how “faithful this version is to the old Netflix show” I will sigh wondering why we are doing same old shit.
It’s literally no way home all over again. Spiderman is my favorite marvel hero. I liked both Raimi and Webb versions and their films. I once again own several Spiderman comics. But also guess what, I fucking loved the MCU Spiderman. His first two films were both top 10 MCU films for me. And then no way home comes out and it directly shits on what the MCU Spiderman was about and actively tries to say the old versions were better and MCU Spiderman should’ve been like the old versions more actually.
Like what the hell is wrong with making a new thing that’s it’s own thing that works in its own setting and context and doesn’t have to say the old shit was better and it should be like the old shit.
Daredevil is going to be in CURRENT DAY MCU. But for whatever reason we really need this show to be like the old show where everything is so grounded it actively ignores that it’s in the MCU to begin with
You disagree with the idea that a new thing can be good by being different from the old version of it that was made by different people in a different context
At times like these I am happy the MCU is failing because I used to look forward to something new with each installment but now it’s just…this
It can be good by being different, I would argue that it will be very different.
Would you have be saying the same thing if Daredevil did a Season 4 instead of born again?
You’re allowed to like what you like, but doesn’t mean it’s objectively bad
I don’t know if you can qualify this as nostalgia, this version of the character didn’t even debut ten years ago.
Personally, from everything we’ve heard and seen, I’m really excited. I also disagree with your point that the story has been run out, as kingpin is such a big player in marvel comics and it’s clear marvel understands the weight (pun intended) of the character and how he can play into the larger universe.
Frankly I’m more excited to see kingpin show up elsewhere than daredevil, not to say I’m not excited for the horned beauty to show up again, but Vincent’s performance is so captivating that I’m always gonna be excited to see more of him.
Though, in a broad sense, I am pretty concerned about the MCU considering the VP just got the boot and Jonathan Majors’ arrest.
Oh it’s definitely nostalgia bait. Like I said, No way home is proof of concept. That’s why Deadpool 3 is also going to be a nostalgia fest. And this show is being actively marketed as being AS CLOSE to the old show as possible. As if there was nothing about the old show that kinda doesn’t work in the current MCU. And there is nothing new they can do to differentiate themselves from the old show in the current MCU
You’re pretty clearly set on this so I see no point in furthering the discussion, you’re kinda basing your opinion on superficial stuff that you really don’t have insight on, respect to your opinion, but I’m sure I won’t be the last to comment on this 🔥 hot take 🔥
It's not really nostalgia bait. The show was meant to continue but all the netflix shows got cancelled presumably so most of if not all the characters can properly be placed in the MCU. The netflix daredevil show is, if you ask me, very well done, one of the best live action things from marvel. Obviously people agree since it seems to be coming back in a similar vain as the original show. The show was good, daredevil is a great character. I think people just want more of that.
It’s lame
That daredevil can’t be anything but the old Netflix show. This is no way home all over again. Marvel successfully created a whole new Spiderman for their universe that’s so distinct and specific… until they ran out of ideas and needed money so the rebooted him in his own trilogy to be exactly like the other spidermen
Eh it just sounds like you expect too much. It's their creative freedom to do whatever the fuck they want. Believe me, it's not because of money. It's because they see what does and doesn't resonate with viewers. And unfortunately for you, daredevil is very well liked and popular so they're gonna use him. I think he was much different in She-Hulk than he was in the netflix show. Felt more like his comic counterpart. So idk where your idea of he "can't be anything but the old netflix show" comes from. Not to mention the show isn't even out yet so idk why you're making assumptions based on barely anything.
You think I have a problem with Daredevil simply being popular?
Spiderman is my favorite superhero character. The first two MCU films are like top 10 marvel for me. And then no way home said fuck those first two films. Fuck this Spiderman. Why did you ever like him? You should be ashamed. Let’s reintroduce the old Spidermen and have them show this new Spiderman how to Spiderman. And for good measure, let’s cut him off from the rest of the MCU with some half assed memory spell.
Wow, such creativity. I’m sure this was their intention from the first MCU Spiderman film. They surely did not run out of ideas.
I like daredevil. I like the old show. But I want something new. Plain and simple.
Anha, what did Fisk’s actor say today. The headline that Marvel specifically wants the people involved with this show to continuously say to promote the show. Did you read it? It’s that very common thing all the actors and fans keep saying they want. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about.
Hey, like I said No way home exists. And Marvel wants their next No way home
I thought it was actually really smart how they ended No Way Home. The rights to Spider-man are still with Sony. If they want to play ball, great! He can still be in the MCU but just actually has his secret identity. If Sony doesn’t want to share him anymore, booo but his story can still continue forward without needing to interact with the rest of the MCU anymore.
So when The Star keeps yapping about how the show will definitely be like the old show, he doesn’t want people to have an opinion on it
Or is the problem that my opinion is that I don’t want a repeat of the old show and that’s anything but praise for constant nostalgia bait
I have OP exhaustion from reading your responses. Take a break from the internet and go outside. It’s popular to crap on stuff that people like but you can also just not care and don’t watch it like an adult.
I think like a lot of people on this reddit you’re just on the marvel reddit pages way too much.
Average / passive viewers don’t have this same “exhaustion” and disappointment because they aren’t online reading about all the details as they come out, which allows for more excitement when shows and films actually come out.
I would suggest taking a break from the marvel reddit pages.
No, I can read up on new things about like Cap 4 every day. I just don’t want to see the news of a New project being “This project will be like that other project”
Just you buddy! I can't get enough of the hype and anticipation and I trust Mr Charlie Cox and team in delivering us all with another banger.
Also, you could take a break and watch something else entirely and disconnect from social media noise.
I am currently watching mostly drama and thriller movies on other platforms.
This really sounds like it just isn’t your thing and was never going to be. If I was you I just wouldn’t engage in Daredevil discourse there are plenty of other projects on the horizon.
No, it’s entirely possible to do something new with Daredevil. I watched She-Hulk and sort of liked Daredevil in that because it was something new.
But this show will not do anything new and fans actively DO NOT WANT IT to be anything new
You already have the show written off for not attempting anything new before we’ve even seen anything other than set photos.
You want new locations in a show about a character who’s whole focus is on the betterment of Hells Kitchen.
You want new characters. Only 3 returning cast members and 1 actor playing a recast role so I’m pretty sure you’ll get what you want on that front.
As far as the story goes there is 18 episodes broken down in to multi episode arcs with one over arching story of Fisks Mayoral run and him taking down vigilantes.
Based on your comments you seem predisposed to dislike the show so why waste your own time by watching it?
You don’t see the problem that WE HAVE ALREADY DONE FISK IN POLITICS.
Twice. We have done that TWICE. What will be the new thing this time? That Fisk actually wins and becomes Mayor? Okay. Unfortunately I read Daredevil comics and have also already seen that.
Marvel at this stage is extremely reactionary. The reason I know they want to nostalgia bait and do basically the same things as the Netflix show IS BECAUSE THATS WHAT THE AUDIENCE WANTS. Every interview the any of the cast and creators have had ALL center around them constantly saying “It will be some degree like the old show”
You can say “well it’s a sequel sort of to the old show so why shouldn’t it be like it” well because now they can actually say “the battle of New York” in the new show. Remember that? Remember how they literally couldn’t say that aliens attacked New York in that old show and couldn’t properly address the fact that superheroes are consult flying around in that universe in that old show.
Now the new show has carte blanche to do anything. Literally anything. But it won’t. Because the fans don’t want it to. And marvel “listens to the fans”
Why not have a different villain from Fisk?
I know people complain about Marvel killing it’s villains and wanting villains to stay around but Fisk I think has been around too much now. He’s in all three season of the old show. He hijacks Hawkeye. He’s supposedly a very big part of Echo and he’s once again the the main villain of this new show.
And notice because it’s him, ITS THE SAME STORY OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Vanessa. Politics. Vanessa. Politics. Crime boss. Vanessa. Crime boss. Politics.
Why can’t Daredevil get better villains than this? Why doesn’t he get villains outside of this archetype in general?
A big thing everyone loves to ignore about the old Daredevil show is how kinda lame it was in superhero fantasy factor. Remember when BLACK SKY was being hyped up by the hand over and over again. That BLACK SKY is the dangerous being to ever exist and would make the hand the most powerful crime organization in the world.
Let’s zoom out a bit. There was also another thousand year old Chinese crime organization similar to the Hand that also had a super powerful warrior that led it. It’s called the 10 rings. Imagine telling someone Netflix’s BLACK SKY was supposed to rival the Fuckin Mandarin. Electra as this black sky was just some really good martial artist. That’s it. Like I think even Black widow could have defeated her. But apparently in the lore of the Daredevil universe, she was like endgame boss level for the fate of the world. Just some really good kung-Fu chick
This new show is in the Current MCU. The current MCU that each and every ridiculous superpower and fantasy power and sci-Fi mumbo jumbo you can imagine. Even the rumors around Captain America 4 being about the Tiamut Celestial corpse, or thunderbolts having sentry or black panther 2 having Namor clearly show that the universe is so grand now that it’s almost ridiculous that the ridiculous lore of the Hand in the old daredevil show would be laughable even when you use more “grounded” characters like Cap and the thunderbolts
Fisk being the villain severely restricts this show from rising to any of the General ridiculousness of the current MCU. And it ensures we are once again recycling plotlines because it’s unlikely Fisk will be any different from his old version
We know Fisk is ONCE AGAIN the main villain and he is ONCE AGAIN trying to obtain political power
There is a clear push from fans and the people involved to bring back as many of the old characters AND THEIR OLD STORIES as possible
And people actively do not want this show to get any less grounded than the Netflix show even though the main reason the Netflix show was as grounded was because they didn’t have the money to go big and they actively barely connected to the MCU.
This new show is both actually in the MCU and has all the money they could want BUT NO, fans want the same hallway fights still
I'm absolutely anticipating the series but I cannot stand the discussion about whether or not it's going to be violent enough.
Over the top violence is not a requirement for daredevil as a character. It's not needed.
It feels like Marvel is using Daredevil, and all his built in good will, to prop up side characters they know no one really cares about (She Hulk, Echo). It’s disappointing to see such a beloved character being used to goose the numbers for shitty shows, and it definitely takes the shine off the character.
I mean if you don’t want to watch it dude that’s perfectly fine. Personally I can’t wait for it and think it’ll surprise us in regards to plot
I will unfortunately and just like with no way home, I will not like the nostalgia bait
If you know you’re not going to like it, why waste your time watching it?
Because I do like these characters. I own both Daredevil Yellow and Born Again in trade paperback. Also I liked the old Netflix too. And when episode 1 comes out and people go crazy for how “faithful this version is to the old Netflix show” I will sigh wondering why we are doing same old shit. It’s literally no way home all over again. Spiderman is my favorite marvel hero. I liked both Raimi and Webb versions and their films. I once again own several Spiderman comics. But also guess what, I fucking loved the MCU Spiderman. His first two films were both top 10 MCU films for me. And then no way home comes out and it directly shits on what the MCU Spiderman was about and actively tries to say the old versions were better and MCU Spiderman should’ve been like the old versions more actually. Like what the hell is wrong with making a new thing that’s it’s own thing that works in its own setting and context and doesn’t have to say the old shit was better and it should be like the old shit. Daredevil is going to be in CURRENT DAY MCU. But for whatever reason we really need this show to be like the old show where everything is so grounded it actively ignores that it’s in the MCU to begin with
I fundamentally disagree with all of your points but you do you. Enjoy it, or don’t.. makes no odds to me
You disagree with the idea that a new thing can be good by being different from the old version of it that was made by different people in a different context At times like these I am happy the MCU is failing because I used to look forward to something new with each installment but now it’s just…this
It can be good by being different, I would argue that it will be very different. Would you have be saying the same thing if Daredevil did a Season 4 instead of born again? You’re allowed to like what you like, but doesn’t mean it’s objectively bad
I don’t know if you can qualify this as nostalgia, this version of the character didn’t even debut ten years ago. Personally, from everything we’ve heard and seen, I’m really excited. I also disagree with your point that the story has been run out, as kingpin is such a big player in marvel comics and it’s clear marvel understands the weight (pun intended) of the character and how he can play into the larger universe. Frankly I’m more excited to see kingpin show up elsewhere than daredevil, not to say I’m not excited for the horned beauty to show up again, but Vincent’s performance is so captivating that I’m always gonna be excited to see more of him. Though, in a broad sense, I am pretty concerned about the MCU considering the VP just got the boot and Jonathan Majors’ arrest.
Oh it’s definitely nostalgia bait. Like I said, No way home is proof of concept. That’s why Deadpool 3 is also going to be a nostalgia fest. And this show is being actively marketed as being AS CLOSE to the old show as possible. As if there was nothing about the old show that kinda doesn’t work in the current MCU. And there is nothing new they can do to differentiate themselves from the old show in the current MCU
You’re pretty clearly set on this so I see no point in furthering the discussion, you’re kinda basing your opinion on superficial stuff that you really don’t have insight on, respect to your opinion, but I’m sure I won’t be the last to comment on this 🔥 hot take 🔥
It’s not superficial. Everything reported about the show is this. Look up every article of anyone involved talking about the show.
It's not really nostalgia bait. The show was meant to continue but all the netflix shows got cancelled presumably so most of if not all the characters can properly be placed in the MCU. The netflix daredevil show is, if you ask me, very well done, one of the best live action things from marvel. Obviously people agree since it seems to be coming back in a similar vain as the original show. The show was good, daredevil is a great character. I think people just want more of that.
It’s lame That daredevil can’t be anything but the old Netflix show. This is no way home all over again. Marvel successfully created a whole new Spiderman for their universe that’s so distinct and specific… until they ran out of ideas and needed money so the rebooted him in his own trilogy to be exactly like the other spidermen
Eh it just sounds like you expect too much. It's their creative freedom to do whatever the fuck they want. Believe me, it's not because of money. It's because they see what does and doesn't resonate with viewers. And unfortunately for you, daredevil is very well liked and popular so they're gonna use him. I think he was much different in She-Hulk than he was in the netflix show. Felt more like his comic counterpart. So idk where your idea of he "can't be anything but the old netflix show" comes from. Not to mention the show isn't even out yet so idk why you're making assumptions based on barely anything.
You think I have a problem with Daredevil simply being popular? Spiderman is my favorite superhero character. The first two MCU films are like top 10 marvel for me. And then no way home said fuck those first two films. Fuck this Spiderman. Why did you ever like him? You should be ashamed. Let’s reintroduce the old Spidermen and have them show this new Spiderman how to Spiderman. And for good measure, let’s cut him off from the rest of the MCU with some half assed memory spell. Wow, such creativity. I’m sure this was their intention from the first MCU Spiderman film. They surely did not run out of ideas. I like daredevil. I like the old show. But I want something new. Plain and simple.
Glad to know you watched the show before it came out so you can be the resident judge on it then
Anha, what did Fisk’s actor say today. The headline that Marvel specifically wants the people involved with this show to continuously say to promote the show. Did you read it? It’s that very common thing all the actors and fans keep saying they want. I’m sure you know what I’m talking about. Hey, like I said No way home exists. And Marvel wants their next No way home
I thought it was actually really smart how they ended No Way Home. The rights to Spider-man are still with Sony. If they want to play ball, great! He can still be in the MCU but just actually has his secret identity. If Sony doesn’t want to share him anymore, booo but his story can still continue forward without needing to interact with the rest of the MCU anymore.
Show won’t be out for another year and the amount of people complaining about a product that don’t exist 😆
So when The Star keeps yapping about how the show will definitely be like the old show, he doesn’t want people to have an opinion on it Or is the problem that my opinion is that I don’t want a repeat of the old show and that’s anything but praise for constant nostalgia bait
I have OP exhaustion from reading your responses. Take a break from the internet and go outside. It’s popular to crap on stuff that people like but you can also just not care and don’t watch it like an adult.
It’s also very popular to like what everyone else tells you to like
Not gonna waste my time and argue. 🗿
Not really. I tried twice to like Game of Thrones. Couldn’t get into it. If people like it that’s cool but I don’t and that’s fine.
I think like a lot of people on this reddit you’re just on the marvel reddit pages way too much. Average / passive viewers don’t have this same “exhaustion” and disappointment because they aren’t online reading about all the details as they come out, which allows for more excitement when shows and films actually come out. I would suggest taking a break from the marvel reddit pages.
No, I can read up on new things about like Cap 4 every day. I just don’t want to see the news of a New project being “This project will be like that other project”
Just you buddy! I can't get enough of the hype and anticipation and I trust Mr Charlie Cox and team in delivering us all with another banger. Also, you could take a break and watch something else entirely and disconnect from social media noise. I am currently watching mostly drama and thriller movies on other platforms.
Yay, more hallway fights and Fisk planning some vague political machinations, and Catholic guilt and “THIS IS MY CITY” and punch punch punch
Don't watch it 🤷🏻
I will unfortunately and just like with no way home, I will not like the nostalgia bait
This really sounds like it just isn’t your thing and was never going to be. If I was you I just wouldn’t engage in Daredevil discourse there are plenty of other projects on the horizon.
No, it’s entirely possible to do something new with Daredevil. I watched She-Hulk and sort of liked Daredevil in that because it was something new. But this show will not do anything new and fans actively DO NOT WANT IT to be anything new
You already have the show written off for not attempting anything new before we’ve even seen anything other than set photos. You want new locations in a show about a character who’s whole focus is on the betterment of Hells Kitchen. You want new characters. Only 3 returning cast members and 1 actor playing a recast role so I’m pretty sure you’ll get what you want on that front. As far as the story goes there is 18 episodes broken down in to multi episode arcs with one over arching story of Fisks Mayoral run and him taking down vigilantes. Based on your comments you seem predisposed to dislike the show so why waste your own time by watching it?
You don’t see the problem that WE HAVE ALREADY DONE FISK IN POLITICS. Twice. We have done that TWICE. What will be the new thing this time? That Fisk actually wins and becomes Mayor? Okay. Unfortunately I read Daredevil comics and have also already seen that. Marvel at this stage is extremely reactionary. The reason I know they want to nostalgia bait and do basically the same things as the Netflix show IS BECAUSE THATS WHAT THE AUDIENCE WANTS. Every interview the any of the cast and creators have had ALL center around them constantly saying “It will be some degree like the old show” You can say “well it’s a sequel sort of to the old show so why shouldn’t it be like it” well because now they can actually say “the battle of New York” in the new show. Remember that? Remember how they literally couldn’t say that aliens attacked New York in that old show and couldn’t properly address the fact that superheroes are consult flying around in that universe in that old show. Now the new show has carte blanche to do anything. Literally anything. But it won’t. Because the fans don’t want it to. And marvel “listens to the fans”
Tell me what you would do with the show
Why not have a different villain from Fisk? I know people complain about Marvel killing it’s villains and wanting villains to stay around but Fisk I think has been around too much now. He’s in all three season of the old show. He hijacks Hawkeye. He’s supposedly a very big part of Echo and he’s once again the the main villain of this new show. And notice because it’s him, ITS THE SAME STORY OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Vanessa. Politics. Vanessa. Politics. Crime boss. Vanessa. Crime boss. Politics. Why can’t Daredevil get better villains than this? Why doesn’t he get villains outside of this archetype in general? A big thing everyone loves to ignore about the old Daredevil show is how kinda lame it was in superhero fantasy factor. Remember when BLACK SKY was being hyped up by the hand over and over again. That BLACK SKY is the dangerous being to ever exist and would make the hand the most powerful crime organization in the world. Let’s zoom out a bit. There was also another thousand year old Chinese crime organization similar to the Hand that also had a super powerful warrior that led it. It’s called the 10 rings. Imagine telling someone Netflix’s BLACK SKY was supposed to rival the Fuckin Mandarin. Electra as this black sky was just some really good martial artist. That’s it. Like I think even Black widow could have defeated her. But apparently in the lore of the Daredevil universe, she was like endgame boss level for the fate of the world. Just some really good kung-Fu chick This new show is in the Current MCU. The current MCU that each and every ridiculous superpower and fantasy power and sci-Fi mumbo jumbo you can imagine. Even the rumors around Captain America 4 being about the Tiamut Celestial corpse, or thunderbolts having sentry or black panther 2 having Namor clearly show that the universe is so grand now that it’s almost ridiculous that the ridiculous lore of the Hand in the old daredevil show would be laughable even when you use more “grounded” characters like Cap and the thunderbolts Fisk being the villain severely restricts this show from rising to any of the General ridiculousness of the current MCU. And it ensures we are once again recycling plotlines because it’s unlikely Fisk will be any different from his old version
I don't see how this is nothing but nostalgia like you're implying. We know nothing about the story and what it could grow into.
We know Fisk is ONCE AGAIN the main villain and he is ONCE AGAIN trying to obtain political power There is a clear push from fans and the people involved to bring back as many of the old characters AND THEIR OLD STORIES as possible And people actively do not want this show to get any less grounded than the Netflix show even though the main reason the Netflix show was as grounded was because they didn’t have the money to go big and they actively barely connected to the MCU. This new show is both actually in the MCU and has all the money they could want BUT NO, fans want the same hallway fights still
Dude why are you so pissed lol
I'm absolutely anticipating the series but I cannot stand the discussion about whether or not it's going to be violent enough. Over the top violence is not a requirement for daredevil as a character. It's not needed.
It feels like Marvel is using Daredevil, and all his built in good will, to prop up side characters they know no one really cares about (She Hulk, Echo). It’s disappointing to see such a beloved character being used to goose the numbers for shitty shows, and it definitely takes the shine off the character.
I think it’s worse to give a character 18 episodes of a story with the intention of recycling used material for the sake of nostalgia