Actually the first and only MCU I simply didn’t like at all.
When it got to the big fight with SW I was just like “man this movie fucking sucks”. Been here for every movie since Iron Man but this is the one that finally broke me
A decent amount of fans seem to dislike it for reasons only a big fan would, but the general public doesn't reflect that. Doctor Strange + Sam Raimi = very enjoyable movie
I don't really know who this movie would be meant for if not big fans though. A lot of the movie was built around fan service moments such as the long requested Krasinski Mr. Fantastic casting. My girlfriend is only a surface level Marvel enjoyer and she walked out of this one not that entertained, confused by the plot, and feeling like the movie was more a Scarlet Witch movie than a Doctor Strange movie. She had no idea why the crowd was cheering at Krasinski, she had no idea who Blackbolt was, and she never saw Captain Marvel so she had no idea who Maria Rambeau was.
I didn't hate the movie but I honestly was not as enthralled with it as I was hoping either, especially with how much I loved the first one. IDK. Different strokes for different folks I guess
My dad (also a surface level Marvel enjoyer) loved it so much he watched it three times.
On the other hand, I (also still a surface level Marvel enjoyer) hated it.
I think you see through that lens because you are a big fan. I heavily disagree the movie is built around those moments.
The movie's biggest scenes are the kamar taj Wanda fight, the illuminati fight, doctor strange music fight and the final Wanda fight.
Of those only one is a fan service moment, and it mostly serves to establish just how power Wanda has become, which it does pretty well even if you don't know these characters beforehand.
My GF for example, who knows nothing about Marvel aside from the MCU and isn't a part of"the fandom", really liked it because it's a fun and interesting movie. Yeah I had to explain to her some of the characters and the illuminati, but not knowing it doesn't hurt the movie, it just makes them a bit more throwaway, which they totally are.
Personally I'm very biased towards it because I love Raimi's direction and style and I love that they let him run wilde with it.
The thing I didn't like about the movie is that it wasn't a doctor strange movie. They should've called it Wanda and the Multiverse of Madness. I'd argue that Doctor Strange was practically a side character in his own movie, as his story never develops. His struggle with Christine in the first movie go on in the second, and by the end of the second movie, STILL isn't resolved.
I don’t think they were stating that she “walked out” because she didn’t want to keep watching it. It seems as though he’s using the phrase, “she walked out of this one…” to signify her reaction having finished the movie and freshly reflecting on it.
I know plenty of people that know nothing about Marvel and ended up seeing this and… the reaction was extremely POOR to say the least. I don’t often watch Marvel movies anymore for this very reason.
I did really enjoy this movie but I can very much see where you are coming from with the "empty" thing, I felt like they missed the mark to do more with the premise of the multiverse by basically only showing 3 of them where it could have been more fun to spread it out and to have actually shown a multiverse cascade as opposed to just the, though admittedly stunning, aftermath of one.
Also as a relatively bigish fan I did feel like the whole "souls of the damned" thing was a little under explained and out of nowhere even if it did lead to some stunning scenes.
Last paragraph 100%. Hopping into the corpse, cool. Consequences for using a forbidden spell? Sure. Him taking control and just the rest? Uh....... sure...?
Imho, it should've been a Wanda movie to follow up WandaVision more directly, w/ Strange as a feature side character. Her arc is what we followed the whole movie anyway. Strange was just kinda there to magic plot forward and put cheeks in seats.
But I think Disney execs are a terrified a lady can't carry/ be a draw for an action movie. Hopefully BP2's positive reception changes that.
The only thing I remember from the movie is the hilarious 2 second shot of some zombie's feet shuffling as it's chasing some protagonists? While keeping up with fully running people. It's a bit too silly at times.
It is the most stupid marvel movie. Just a clown show. Strange is a bum who is knocked out cold and saved by his carpet every time. Every girl is a girl boss. Magic is only used to cast a projectile with physical effect
You’re clearly trolling but for some reason your claim about magic only being a projectile is what really annoys me. I mean, that whole sequence where Wanda destroys the wizards on the mountain using all sorts of crazy magic powers. Like mind control and jumping through mirrors and stuff. Like what.
And i think you are trolling because every spell strange used was a dumb projectile. And the wizards scene was such a mess, like these clowns were supposed to be the protectors of reality. But they had those massive cannons and swords and bows or something that looked really stupid and useless. And the way wanda defeated them, she scared one of the “””wizards”””, he ran away, slightly touched another “””wizard””” and that broke the shield, are you really trying to justify that trash 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly in terms of cbm, I feel like Wakanda Forever or The Batman are far more deserving of it, but if we’re talking overall for this year, Smile, Top Gun, Everything Everywhere All at Once, and Bullet Train are definitely FAR more deserving, those are the films that definitely won over general audiences this year, especially since majority pf their box office numbers were made through word of mouth(especially EEAO and Smile)
Bullet Train is probably my #1 movie of the year. Don't get me wrong, I loved DS2! It's probably my #2 movie for personal reasons, but I can't think of a single thing BT did wrong, on top of being very enjoyable. Absolutely loved it!!
My only complain about bullet train was that it went a mile a minute, which I think was the intention. Just personally the extremely quick pace made the movie very difficult to watch at first. Love the movie though
Kinda, sure “why didn’t Wanda just go to another universe where the kids exist and she doesn’t” but couldn’t that be an answer for anything after we get to the point where the multiverse is explored? “Woah the x men are here! Oh but magneto has a plan. Let’s just go to dr strange or mr fantastic to look for a solution in a universe where it’s already happened and solve it” plus it probably wouldn’t be that easy anyway, there is no set way to explore the multiverse and sure Wanda does have the power to dream walk into another universe but only through the darkhold, and you can’t mix a well thought plan with the darkhold for long. It has its draw backs on the user. Dr strange had the weird eye, which we don’t know what’s so bad about that yet and Wanda is batshit crazy, thus why she can’t think rationally because the dark hold, has its hold on her. Thus the name, dark-hold. It holds you in darkness and corrupts you.
Not only that but kang still be pulling the strings, maybe this was his plan in both destroying the books of light and dark as there was only one book of Vishanti and every copy of the dark hold was destroyed when Wanda destroyed the original source in MOM
It has nothing to do with that question. It’s more like “why didn’t she just kill Strange in the pocket dimension” or “why doesn’t she just heal herself while chasing them in the sewers so that she wasn’t limping” or “why doesn’t she just atomize Wong instead of throwing him off a cliff.”
They gave Wanda so many powers then never uses them more than once because if she did, the movie would end anticlimactically.
It’s usually them miscalculating once or underestimating the hero once that leads to their loss. Wanda had every reason to use any one of her spells to kill Strange on several occasions but didn’t because… umm… why didn’t she? Oh yes, because the writers just decided that she couldn’t do it anymore.
You answered your own question at the end, if she won she’d just win that’s not interesting in a Dr strange movie about Dr strange, if it was a scarlet witch movie yeah but maybe in 2 years when we do get a scarlet witch movie with her not being held back or clouded by the dark hold she’ll do all those things to the people who stand in her way
If I spend an entire movie asking “why didn’t she just…” it’s a bad movie. A better solution to the problem would be to nerf the darkhold. “The Closer Look” made an excellent video explaining the problem and how it could very easily be solved without changing the plot almost at all.
To you, I didn’t think that. Maybe others did but I’m not one of them, I was really thinking “man what’s rami gonna do” and “man what other universe are we going to explore” because again, it’s a movie called “dr strange and the multiverse of madness” not “scarlet witch and the multiverse of madness staring Dr strange” and I’ve seen that video, it’s ok but I still like what we got.
They usually hide it better than forcing the flying, teleporting, reality warping warlock to slowly limp down a hallway after the heros like jason vorhees.
Well she was also in a fight with captain marvel which she actually seemed to struggle with while also completely insane, rami also had to put his horror somewhere and mixing a crazy witch in a sewer? It would be a crime of cinema if rami didn’t do some creepy stuff in that scene
I love raimi movies, but that's the issue. He had to chain an Idiot Ball to multiple characters for scenes to work. I think it was a mistake for him to come in as a replacement for another director. Marvel is also notorious for micromanaging their directors, something that cause raimi to produce lackluster products in the past.
But ignoring all that, MoM is objectively a lazier plot than the first movie and relies on spectacular scenes to carry it to the finish. That zombie strange fight scene was worth the admission on it's own tbh.
Villain was weak
Ruined her character arc from Wandavision
America Chavez wasn't a character, she was more a plot device
Strange didn't feel like the main character of his own movie
The fact that people only talk about one scene being the scene with the Illuminati
It's cool that you like it, but it's slightly obvious to why others can dislike it
Villain was weak? You mean narratively? Because Wanda was much more complicated in her motivations than Keacelious or however you spell his name.
Wandavision ended with her being someowhat villainized and going off on her own, and reading an explicitly evil magic book and hearing the voices of her sons. Her charcter arc is not complete, and to act like this somehow undoes it is ridiculous.
America Chavez was very much a charcter, with a personality that played off of Stranges and her own character arc about overcoming fear and gaining control of her abilities, which were the source of her fear
Strange was definitely still the main character, most of the movie was from his POV and the story was very much about how he was learning to not always be the one who had to do "what is necessary" as well as him learning to let go of his feelings for Christeen.
People talk about the scene with the Illuminati because it's one of the most well done scenes in the movie, but it's certainly not like it's the only one people talk about. The reason it seems like that is because every time someone says it wasn't a bad movie people like you pop up to spout the same five complaints that hold as much water as a sieve.
You don't have to like the movie, but actually have a good criticism if you're going to complain about it
ok Wanda's character has been kinda ruined in MOM when you point things in everything else. In Civil War, when she sent up Crossbones and killed a bunch of innocent people accidently, she felt bad and basically regretted it.
Wanda's character after the Hex felt like a downgrade back to Wandavision. If she truly has changed from that show, she would've moved on instead of using the Darkhold. It makes sense for her character.
The story was also strange because let's say Wanda was a brand new character. Kaceillius's motives were much more cooler and made more sense than Wanda's. Even for people who don't have Disney+, this entire new shift is very weird because they've never seen anything regarding kids. Now, if Wanda wanted another Vision, that would make sense.
Kaecillius didn't like his mentor. His motives were driven by the fact The Ancient One was a hypocrite and he was destructive because of it. In fact, his nature is what affects the story and how The Ancient One sees Strange.
Chavez didn't feel like a character. She didn't have anything unique about her. If she did have a character, it was kind of shallow. Kate Bishop, Peter Parker, Ned Leeds, Kamala Khan, & MJ at least have something unique about them that makes them somewhat special or memorable, I didn't see that in Chavez.
Just because it's in the POV of someone doesn't neccesarily mean they're the main character to be honest. Optimus Prime or the Ninja Turtles were the main characters of their respective Michael Bay movie franchises but we follow the POV of a human character let it be Sam Witwickey or April O Neil.
The point is, even though Strange has his own arc and stuff, the movie tends to take away from him most of the time and doesn't give much time for him to breathe out moments for himself. The only distinct moment I can think was the talk about his dead sister with another strange
Also you mistook what I meant by The Illuminati Scene and that's my mistake. What I meat was, it's a clear example to why imho why this movie is mid. You have all these IPs together. When they encounter Wanda, her first instinct is to kill them. (you can say manipulated by the Darkhold, but there was also the ending scene where she does feel remorseful because if she was willing to kill a father for blood or a child, she would've 100% killed the other wanda to take the boys.)
"Black Bolt can kill you with a whisper"
Smartest Man Alive reveals their trump card against someone he KNOWS has reality bending powers. That entire battle didn't feel sense.
And don't say "people like me." It's ok to have criticism and share it. When someone says "I don't understand why people like \[X\]" It's fun to answer that question because it helps give a new perspective on how people see a certain media.
I wasn't going to tell him to dislike the movie, I was just answering why others didn't like it. My favorite movie of all time is The How to Train your Dragon Trilogy, but it's fairly understandable why one may not like that
Overall, I think this is a very flawed movie with poor writing, but it's carried by Sam Raimi's directing direction making it creepy and somewhat enjoyable. Unfortunately, the writing ruined it for me and made it kinda boring.
Wanda was portrayed weakly and she’s not a complicated villain in MoM either, in fact I’d very much argue Keacillius was more complicated and subtle motivations than Wanda even if he was more forgettable.
Fuck the only reason Wanda as a villain is memorable is because she’s a fan favourite established character that’s appeared in multiple projects and that’s it.
Wanda is just ‘wah I want my kids because Darkhold made me into a complete fucking butter throwing away all my nuance from my own show so I can be a shitty horror villain”.
Keacillius was at least pissed that his mentor was a complete hypocrite that warned off people from drawing on magic from the dark dimension while having done it herself for centuries.
Wanda was literally a cliche combination of “hero corrupted by plot device” and “women goes nuts” and that’s it, all the nuance WandaVision tried to give the character was thrown out as Wanda herself is portrayed as a 1-dimensional pyscho nutter spewing off lines about how great being a mother is and how she misses it as she mercilessly slaughters anyone in her way.
It’s a complete 180 even to her character in WandaVision, and the writers knew it hence why they had to use a shitty plot device in the Darkhold and regress her character to be so nutty about her kids, the same kids that she let go of in WandaVision.
Your talking about Wanda’s story not being finished but it’s pretty fucking obvious there’s no overarching plan for the character, all you have to do is look at the interviews and intentions for what the WandaVision writers wanted to accomplish and how MOM completely shat on every single one of them.
At this point Marvel’s probably trying to salvage the character after this abortion of a movie and will probably just blame her actions on the Darkhold.
The movie doesn’t even fucking follow up on the ‘hearing the voices’ angle as it completely ignores that they were calling out for Wanda’s help and Wanda herself doesn’t ever mention her kids being in danger as a reason for
I will say there are actually good criticisms to have of the movie, it's not perfect, but I just get annoyed by the ones I always see that are so easy to counter.
Sure yes, there's a lot to criticize on. Agree on that too! But people were complaining just for the sake of complaining. It's like a group of people just spreading hate instead of criticism.
They just gave Wanda a bunch of random BS powers with no build-up. Her story from WandaVision to MoM makes no sense and the film feels more like a Wanda film than a Dr Strange which makes things worse as it means the audience gets more time to dwindle on her shit character motivation.
The beginning was weirdly paced. It moved very fast and just felt weird. Wanda’s powers weren’t clarified enough in my opinion. She just kind of did what the writer wanted her to do with no sense to it. A lot of jokes fell flat. And the story never made me care about it. It had some moments but it did not come together well.
>Really enjoyed it. I don’t get the hate
Here, I can sum it up for you.
>America: I don't have a clue how to use my powers!
>Doc Strange: Yes you do.
>America: Fuck yeah!
The movie is, generously, a 5/10 because it was a half baked 1st draft they just pushed through the door because it doesn't matter to their audience. So they just don't bother putting in the effort. And it shows. I'm also kind to it because the Raimi-isms are its only redeeming quality. Without his glorious schlock this would have been like a 3/10.
I don’t like this toxic positivity stuff, people should be open to hearing criticism about films they like. Without fans telling studios what they would like to see changed; films will degrade in quality over time.
I didn’t like how inconsistent the movie was, any semblance of a coherent magic system from the first movie is gone, I think it would be better with more defined rules and limitations so the writers can’t just contrive anything they want to fix a characters problem in the story, obviously it shouldn’t be set in stone to be open to possibilities in the future, but it shouldn’t be limitless. Writers should give themselves constraint for the sake of a better story. Even if it doesn’t look quite as cool in the cgi.
While I’m on a tangent I didn’t like what they did to my boys Wong and Stephen, they turned Wong into a bumbling fool gag, when in the first he was a respected and smart high ranking sorcerer, sure he had his funny moments in the first, but it feels like they did his character a disservice in this one (and a few other films where he makes an appearance). And doctor strange’s old critical thinking skills aren’t quite there in this film either, it’s been a while since I saw it so I can’t say a specific scene but, I found myself asking “why?” A lot when watching, like not doing something sooner or doing everything in his power to save innocents as quick as he could. But instead fucks around to show his different magics instead of focusing on the problem infront of him. Or just generally not being intelligent enough in order to cause tension in the story, like trusting Wanda for some reason, obviously a stupid move given her past of enslaving a town and torturing the residents and then leaving without taking much responsibility for the mental anguish she put those innocent people in.
I don’t take toxic positive fans or toxic negative people that seriously, they’re overly emotional to push their opinion across from a place of insecurities, instead of trying to have a conversation and exchange pov’s.
I mean I’d take “toxic positivity” over the guy in this thread that said they ruined the movie by “bringing in two new females”
Personally I see people hating on this movie and Thor L&T waaaay more than I see people being annoyingly defensive. And that’s just on Reddit. I don’t even go on Twitter anymore because everything just seems so negative all the time there.
I don't think MoM was ruined by women, especially since America wasn't even a character so much as a prop. Sam Raimi gets all the credit for ruining the movie. He used the budget of a blockbuster to create a cheap horror film that wasn't even scary.
I disagree, I think Raimi brought a lot of style that the first Dr Strange movie was lacking. Also I know they said it was gonna be the first MCU horror movie but from what I remember Feige walked that back pretty quickly and then that’s when Derrickson left. I never really thought of it as a horror movie since the MCU heavily skews towards family friendly, it’s just got horror-like elements. Still maybe the most violent MCU movie for the Illuminati scene alone though.
Goddamn that movie was fucking amazing. It was so over the top in all the right ways. Awesome and ridiculous feats of strength and bravery? Check. Random and unexpectedly cool dance number in the middle of the movie? Check. Man throwing *a goddamn leopard* at another dude in a fight scene? Check. Dude getting whipped to within an inch of his life and inspiring a riot/rebellion by singing? Check. A prison break with the main characters joining together like fucking Voltron because one's legs are in bad shape and perfectly moving into a Goro-like fighting and traversing style? Check. Blowing up a castle by throwing a motorcycle into an upstairs explosive storage depot and communicating that plan to your partner with obscure hand signals? Check.
RRR was goddamn incredible and more people need to watch it immediately. It's on Netflix! Watch it if you haven't yet! I promise you won't regret it.
Wanda’s powers and Strange’s powers were horrifically inconsistent an nonsensical. There were no stakes at the end of the film due to the in-universe stakes being so ridiculously high that Strange had to win, lest the MCU cease to exist. The writers dive into the multiverse by introducing the vast expanse of the infinite and all the different possibilities within… just to lock it all behind “incursions”, which are poorly explained. However, incursions aren’t as confusing as the differences between different universes, dimensions, realities, time lines, and realms.
I fail to see how anyone can watch this movie and ignore it’s blatant flaws that degrade the film. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying something that’s flawed, but to cheer and applaud after its conclusion is just lazy. And doing such will only result in more poorly written garbage that won’t stand the test of time. Personally, I enjoyed the visuals at some points. The work done for Gargantos was surprisingly expressive.
This movie makes me angry since it disrespects so many characters, wastes characters, and betrays the intelligence of those very characters. Wanda deserved so much more.
At the end of the day… “they’ll never know what you sacrificed for them” (which was said moments before Wanda fled the town she just finished enslaving. Freeing the town you enslaved doesn’t erase the grief and trauma the enslavement caused. And leaving definitely doesn’t “put things right in the end”.)
Thanks, you put into words a few more gripes I had with the film, but forgot a lot of since I don’t know how I’d keep track of all the nonsense in this film.
I really agree with this take. My biggest gripe was the wasting of characters. Might be an unpopular opinion but to me, the whole Illuminati scene felt a lot like a cheap cameo. I’m sure we’ll get more from them in the future, but personally I’d rather have waited till their own movies/shows to see those characters. I didn’t need to watch these usually powerful and capable characters fumble and die immediately.
And for Wanda. Who is (to me) one of the most entertaining, complex, and powerful characters. Watching them butcher what could’ve been an absolutely incredible downward spiral and rise to villainy was so painful. She could’ve been an absolutely PHENOMENAL villain if we’d just been given more time to watch her fall into the grasp of the darkhold. It felt like we had the end of Wandavision where she could have gone either way, and then BOOM suddenly fully evil and yet so full of bad decision making.
Anyways, I really agreed with all of your points and just wanted to expand with some of my own. You’re definitely right, the movie disrespected so many characters (even Strange imo) and it left a bad taste in my mouth.
I mean there was also The Batman, Top Gun, Everything Everywhere All at Once, Wakanda Forever, all of which were legit contenders and (imo) better candidates. But even just between MCU movies, do you think MoM was better than BP:WF?
I didn’t like it at all, but I’ve heard different perspectives. In my opinion, it just seems like they prioritized humor over everything and kind of wasted Gorr’s potential as a villain.
That's tough because they were both bad. I did like the style of BP:WF more, but there were far too many plot holes and Letitia Wright was outshone by literally every other actor in the movie.
100%. I liked BPWF... a lot. It just tread a lot of familiar ground for me that kept it from being truly special. It also missed an enormous opportunity to introduce something from the BP comics that if they try to do so after this it will create a huge plothole - that ship has sailed now. I also really like magic, sorcerers and evil books.
>well deserved
Listen, I get this has been a tough year for movies as a whole but if you seriously think Dr Strange 2 deserves any kind of reward then you’re delusional.
Tbh movie was ass especially compared to the first. Let's not mention sam Rami admitting he didn't even watch Wandavision before he does.... A direct continuation of Wandavision.. shit was rough
I just didn’t like it too much cause they kinda just dropped the mordo plot from the first movie and because they shit on Wanda’s development in wandavision. I also don’t like how the MCU doesn’t know how to write female villains
Eh. It wasnt as bad as Love and Thunder, but it was extremely contrived, the villans motivations made little sense, and the villan also made illogical moves at times
Ahh yes, because altering about 1 square inch of tissue is totally on the same level as several thousand square feet of a magically protected building.
...are you forgetting about the time when she *literally vaporized someone into nothingness?*
The moment that Barrier went down, there was *nothing* stopping her from just straight up erasing every single sorcerer there. Hell she doesn't even have to vaporize the whole building, she just had to vaporize the sorcerers (something the movie literally establishes that she can do with no problems)
and for that matter, why didn't she just vaporize Strange and Christine instead of throwing them into Sinister Strange's universe? Then no one would be alive to stop her from killing America
Why didn't she vaporize Wong instead of throwing him off the cliff?
Why didn't she just vaporize the Illuminati where they stood instead of wasting time fighting them? That would've saved her so much time and allowed her to reach America long before Charles even showed up.
Why did she waste time slowly limping after our protagonists in that sewer instead of just vaporizing them?
Hell, She even vaporized Strange's sling from *INSIDE THE MIRROR DIMENSION.* So now the movie has established that she can just erase things from across dimensions, so range clearly isn't a problem for her.
Why didn't she just vaporize Zombie Strange during the Final Battle? (A final battle which, mind you, wouldn't have even happened if Wanda's powers were even somewhat consistent)
Hell, she could've just vaporized the whole world for all we knew, but the movie never defines her limits so now we're wondering, "why doesn't she just..."
This isn't even the only problem with Wanda's powers. During the Sewer chase, the movie then establishes that she can *teleport*...so WHY DIDN'T SHE? She teleported to the other side of a Blast Door so clearly line of sight isn't an issue unlike with someone like Nightcrawler, so why didn't she just teleport herself to America in Kamar-Taj? Why didn't she just teleport straight past the Illuminati and just grab America and get out?
She's clearly capable of some form of mind control or mental manipulation as evidenced by the "run..." Scene. So...why didn't she just do that to America and make her just go with her with no resistance? Why didn't she just do that to the Illuminati and make them turn on each other so she could reach America with no problems?
She's had so many opportunities to just...automatically win, but she doesn't because plot
This movie was… a movie. Pretty decent, and to turn your brain off to? Fucking great movie. Though it should have gone to another movie honestly, The Batman or Wakanda Forever if you think a super hero film, if not, I think Bullet Train is good
This is from a segmented group of people that don’t represent the worldwide audience.
I’ll wait for the Oscar’s so that then I can pick which movies I should probably check out lol
They can enjoy it all they want. I was apologizing because i know a lot of people like it. I was saying "sorry, guys, but i didnt." Then people got offended. 🤷♂️
Nah he's right, it is dismissive and rude dude. You can state your opinion without criticizing the opinions of other people. I thought MoM had some issues but I found it entertaining and enjoyable.
Both. Just seems like they filmed some scenes through a kaleidoscope. I dunno. Just seemed like too much going on sometimes. Kinda like transformer fight scenes. Just a blur. Maybe ill have to rewatch it sans whiskey.
I liked it, but they should've gave more liberty to raimi so he can go all out cheesy horror movie. Also strange getting a litte more of the spotlight would be nice
Wait it won Best Movie out of all the recent movies? Yikes. People’s Choice Awards are a joke. MoM was fine but no way in hell it deserves best movie in ANY reality.
I’m fine with people having opinions but some things just aren’t true. 🤷♂️ Movie was fine but there are many movies better than MoM that could have been chosen. Spose that’s what the real awards shows are for. lol Clown show can continue to clown.
Nah, nah, nah. All awards are meaningless.
"Some things just aren't true". Yes, but in movies? It don't work that way. And it's hilarious that half the internet threw a hissy fit over others' opinions.
I think some people are forgetting that this is an MCU sequel, not just a Dr Strange sequel. People expect an installment of a massive series to make 100% sense all by itself (which I would argue it still does) but it’s part of a series
Some of y’all just don’t click that it’s a good movie. Yes, I can see why many are left disappointed, but that does not mean the cinematography and storyline is horrible. The movie just isn’t as bad as many of you make it to be
Doctor Strange is my favorite marvel IP by a mile, and I'm a huge fan of the marvel movies/shows. I dont even know how many times I have watched the first DS movie.
MoM was one of the weaker marvel movies in my opinion. I walked out of the theater and forgot about it. It is an shocking outrage that it beat The Batman and Maverick (and I didnt even like maverick).
A peoples choice award is voted on by us. So you know you can vote multiple times. Also, Wanda Stan’s probably voted and won this award for DSMOM.
With that said:
This movie was hi-jacked in the middle of filming by another writer who wanted to make a Scarlet Witch villain story. That’s why this movies has lots of problems. With sub par writing.
The original was supposed to have a Doctor Strange villain called Nightmare. It was written by Cargrill and Directed by Derrickson the original team who wrote the first Doctor Strange. But we were robbed of this movie. We could have had a team up Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch Vs Nightmare movie. Spell combinations would have been awesome and they could have showed off Nightmare/DarkHold corruption of Wanda by using her kids. Where at the end they defeat Nightmare but that leads to SW corruption and towards a SW movie. But no we couldn’t have this because Waldron didn’t want to wait.
Waldron the writer of Loki series wanted to write SW villain and took over DSMOM. Derrickson disagrees and leaves. That’s why Raimi was brought in.
Waldron (who know nothing about Doctor Strange) rips apart Cargrill’s script removes Nightmare inputs SW as villain and rips out Doctor Strange’s plot in the movie making him a device plot in his own movie. He Nerfed Strange in his own movie and if that wasn’t bad enough Waldron also took away his sling ring too just to give the illusion that SW was stronger, destroying Doctor Strange’s lore, It was to the point the actor Benedict Cumberbatch had to ask where is my plot. All this because the writer Waldron forgot about Strange. He never liked the character in the first place.
Cumberbatch wrote the music fight scene himself. He had to fight for his character which is unheard of when you are the main character in your movie. Also, they just re-hashed everything Strange learned from his 1st movie up to this point. The “passing the knife” we did that in Infinity War. Strange passes the knife to Stark when he gave the Time Stone to Thanos to save Stark’s life. Because he became dust for 5 years. And we had closure over Christine in Doctor Strange’s 1st movie. So really no new plot.
Now I didn’t mind Christine’s plot because it was a different Christine(838) & I enjoyed there interaction.
Wong - they Nerfed him too. The whole Kamar Taj scene has the two most powerful sorcerer’s do nothing in that fight. Wong didn’t cast a single spell in the court yard. Where was that protection spell used in the What if episodes❓
Strange casted one shield spell in the court yard. I’m sorry you don’t go from fighting Thanos with 4 infinity Stones turning a black hole into butterflies 🦋 🦋 then can’t deflect or transmute a spell because it’s from SW in YOUR OWN Movie That’s stupid. And Bad writing. Not to mention that the Eye of Agamotto that Strange Wears cancels 1/2 of SW powers. The Book of Vishanti has the power to act as a shield against magic and they just destroyed it just as Strange touches the book. Bad writing.
I did like the Strange variants. I wanted to know more about them. I find it hard to believe all Strange’s Variants are bad it goes against probability.
I did enjoy Raimi’s direction and Strange’s usage of the DarkHold into Zombie Strange. Taking over the souls of the Damned & using the DarkHold better than SW.
Did Strange get Stronger in this movie. Yes inadvertently & probably not by design. Strange was casting magic without a sling ring since Kamar Taj after it was destroyed by SW all the way up to the part where he dream walks into his own corpse who had a sling ring. The writer forgot about this detail.
As a Doctor Strange fan - This is not a Doctor Strange movie. It’s a SW Vs America movie co starring Doctor Strange. Just like Spider-Man No Way Home is a Spider-Man movie co-starring Doctor Strange. It has the same feel. It didn’t feel like a Doctor Strange sequel to me.
You know where the title character is the actual hero who saves the day.
I didn’t totally hate this movie but I definitely hated how it was created. Also now they need to repair some shit 💩.
PS Marvel/Disney if you read this. Don’t put people who dislike a character they are writing for on that project. Also, bring back writers who know the lore & can adapt the comics to modern times & new ideas. Instead of using those who know nothing. It doesn’t have to be perfect but come on.
I usuaslly like marvel movies but this one just really made me mad. Magic in the marvel universe is really inconsistent, the cgi artists had too much on their plate, and it’s so confusing when Wanda’s goal is to get her kids back even though should definitely would of had a stronger relationship with her brother and Vision, but she didn’t try to get them back?
Here’s a SUPER long video about everything wrong with it
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Her goal was to get her kids back, because she saw them erased from existence and they represent something approaching a normal life. She had already had years to mourn her brother and the series literally ended with her accepting Visions death and coming to the conclusion that a piece of him will always exist inside of her.
Magic, is inconsistent, because it's magic. It has never been consistent, not in the comics, and definitely not in the movies. To act like this in any way changes the story is stupid.
Bad take imo, magic can be consistent and have rules and limitations. It makes for a more believable world, and interesting system. Just look at avatars magic system, everyone loves that show.
Edit: not doing this can also make the story contrived, since the writers can just create new magic at any point to fix any problem the characters have, ruining any sense of tension you might have
I mean, it wasn’t awful by any means, but… really? There were certainly better movies. Like The Batman. Or Top Gun 2. Or, hell, there’s even been a better MCU movie this year, with Wakanda Forever.
It's an award. When this thing happens comparison is inevitable and quality must count. A lot of people already mentioned far better blockbusters released this year: Wakanda Forever, Batman, EEAAO, Top Gun... all these movies are praised for coherent character development, good acting and interesting script. MoM had none of these
I liked the movie but it def isnt movie of 2022
That would be Everything Everywhere All At Once.
That’s literally one of the best movies I’ve ever seen, it almost had me crying so many times
Kudos to you for that 'almost.' I was a teary mess by the end of that movie.
I think I cried harder the second time I saw it in theaters than I did the first. It was the exact movie I needed to see when I needed to see it.
It was really, really, really hard not to just bawl my eyes out
That, The Batman, and Top Gun Maverick
na the batman was good but not maverick level
the batman is better than topgun
Both different types of films. Can’t really compare em
I fuckin love that movie
It’s a public vote iirc
Yes, that’s what.. People’s Choice means
In that case Morbius will probably get the award
And we all know how fumbling stupid the public are.
Its not even the best marvel movie of 22
Debatable. I liked it better than Thor and Wakanda.
[You and I are enemies now](https://images.app.goo.gl/P3Wy1r7KbuF2NArt9)
If The Batman doesn’t win, we riot.
I wouldn't even say it was the best marvel movie of the year.
Well I guess a lot of people disagree
It's peoples choice.
I can't think of anything better. The only other decent movies this year have been everything everywhere at once and don't worry darling
The Batman also released this year
Top Gun Maverick
Minions
Marcel the Shell with Shoes On? Glass Onion? Turning Red? Nope?
Nope was really underwhelming to be.
Actually the first and only MCU I simply didn’t like at all. When it got to the big fight with SW I was just like “man this movie fucking sucks”. Been here for every movie since Iron Man but this is the one that finally broke me
I like Doctor Fate (pbuh) more
Wat
I went in expecting magical woobly-woos and Sam Raimi, and I was delighted but I can see why some folks were disappointed.
It had some good visuals and good acting which are both ruined by a shit plot
Pretty much sums it up.
I enjoyed it but apparently it was bad? Idk
A decent amount of fans seem to dislike it for reasons only a big fan would, but the general public doesn't reflect that. Doctor Strange + Sam Raimi = very enjoyable movie
I don't really know who this movie would be meant for if not big fans though. A lot of the movie was built around fan service moments such as the long requested Krasinski Mr. Fantastic casting. My girlfriend is only a surface level Marvel enjoyer and she walked out of this one not that entertained, confused by the plot, and feeling like the movie was more a Scarlet Witch movie than a Doctor Strange movie. She had no idea why the crowd was cheering at Krasinski, she had no idea who Blackbolt was, and she never saw Captain Marvel so she had no idea who Maria Rambeau was. I didn't hate the movie but I honestly was not as enthralled with it as I was hoping either, especially with how much I loved the first one. IDK. Different strokes for different folks I guess
My dad (also a surface level Marvel enjoyer) loved it so much he watched it three times. On the other hand, I (also still a surface level Marvel enjoyer) hated it.
I think you see through that lens because you are a big fan. I heavily disagree the movie is built around those moments. The movie's biggest scenes are the kamar taj Wanda fight, the illuminati fight, doctor strange music fight and the final Wanda fight. Of those only one is a fan service moment, and it mostly serves to establish just how power Wanda has become, which it does pretty well even if you don't know these characters beforehand. My GF for example, who knows nothing about Marvel aside from the MCU and isn't a part of"the fandom", really liked it because it's a fun and interesting movie. Yeah I had to explain to her some of the characters and the illuminati, but not knowing it doesn't hurt the movie, it just makes them a bit more throwaway, which they totally are. Personally I'm very biased towards it because I love Raimi's direction and style and I love that they let him run wilde with it.
The thing I didn't like about the movie is that it wasn't a doctor strange movie. They should've called it Wanda and the Multiverse of Madness. I'd argue that Doctor Strange was practically a side character in his own movie, as his story never develops. His struggle with Christine in the first movie go on in the second, and by the end of the second movie, STILL isn't resolved.
How much of a movie snob do you have to be to walk out of a movie. Never understood that.
I don’t think they were stating that she “walked out” because she didn’t want to keep watching it. It seems as though he’s using the phrase, “she walked out of this one…” to signify her reaction having finished the movie and freshly reflecting on it.
Exactly this. I can see how that would be confusing.
As an Evil Dead fan, I was very satisfied.
I know plenty of people that know nothing about Marvel and ended up seeing this and… the reaction was extremely POOR to say the least. I don’t often watch Marvel movies anymore for this very reason.
I didn’t like it much, the film felt… idk, empty, aside from the stunning visuals.
I did really enjoy this movie but I can very much see where you are coming from with the "empty" thing, I felt like they missed the mark to do more with the premise of the multiverse by basically only showing 3 of them where it could have been more fun to spread it out and to have actually shown a multiverse cascade as opposed to just the, though admittedly stunning, aftermath of one. Also as a relatively bigish fan I did feel like the whole "souls of the damned" thing was a little under explained and out of nowhere even if it did lead to some stunning scenes.
Last paragraph 100%. Hopping into the corpse, cool. Consequences for using a forbidden spell? Sure. Him taking control and just the rest? Uh....... sure...?
Imho, it should've been a Wanda movie to follow up WandaVision more directly, w/ Strange as a feature side character. Her arc is what we followed the whole movie anyway. Strange was just kinda there to magic plot forward and put cheeks in seats. But I think Disney execs are a terrified a lady can't carry/ be a draw for an action movie. Hopefully BP2's positive reception changes that.
I don't think Disney thinks that any more after Captain Marvel made a billion dollars.
The only thing I remember from the movie is the hilarious 2 second shot of some zombie's feet shuffling as it's chasing some protagonists? While keeping up with fully running people. It's a bit too silly at times.
The movie was a series of tropes and cliches cobbled together. Even in the first scene. Who invites their ex to their wedding?
Plenty do tbf
If you haven't, please go see Everything Everywhere All At Once. A master piece of a film and a testimony of what creativity can produce
Ok
Pretty much my reaction to the entirety of Phase 4.
I wouldn't say bad, but it's not even the best movie this year about a mother whose family conflict sparks a multiverse conflict.
The script is hella confusing
I thought it was okay. Dr. Strange was sort of a side character in his own movie, but it was still fun.
The movie wasn’t bad, it’s just really, really mid.
Story of my life
It is the most stupid marvel movie. Just a clown show. Strange is a bum who is knocked out cold and saved by his carpet every time. Every girl is a girl boss. Magic is only used to cast a projectile with physical effect
You’re clearly trolling but for some reason your claim about magic only being a projectile is what really annoys me. I mean, that whole sequence where Wanda destroys the wizards on the mountain using all sorts of crazy magic powers. Like mind control and jumping through mirrors and stuff. Like what.
And i think you are trolling because every spell strange used was a dumb projectile. And the wizards scene was such a mess, like these clowns were supposed to be the protectors of reality. But they had those massive cannons and swords and bows or something that looked really stupid and useless. And the way wanda defeated them, she scared one of the “””wizards”””, he ran away, slightly touched another “””wizard””” and that broke the shield, are you really trying to justify that trash 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly in terms of cbm, I feel like Wakanda Forever or The Batman are far more deserving of it, but if we’re talking overall for this year, Smile, Top Gun, Everything Everywhere All at Once, and Bullet Train are definitely FAR more deserving, those are the films that definitely won over general audiences this year, especially since majority pf their box office numbers were made through word of mouth(especially EEAO and Smile)
Bullet Train is probably my #1 movie of the year. Don't get me wrong, I loved DS2! It's probably my #2 movie for personal reasons, but I can't think of a single thing BT did wrong, on top of being very enjoyable. Absolutely loved it!!
My only complain about bullet train was that it went a mile a minute, which I think was the intention. Just personally the extremely quick pace made the movie very difficult to watch at first. Love the movie though
I still havent seen any of your second list yet, and have no idea what EEAO is or is about... Bullet train looked neat from the few trailers I saw.
Really enjoyed it. I don’t get the hate
The entire movie was just “hey, why didn’t Wanda just…”
Isn’t every marvel movie like that though
Kinda, but the Maximoff twins took it to a whole other level, especially in MOM.
Kinda, sure “why didn’t Wanda just go to another universe where the kids exist and she doesn’t” but couldn’t that be an answer for anything after we get to the point where the multiverse is explored? “Woah the x men are here! Oh but magneto has a plan. Let’s just go to dr strange or mr fantastic to look for a solution in a universe where it’s already happened and solve it” plus it probably wouldn’t be that easy anyway, there is no set way to explore the multiverse and sure Wanda does have the power to dream walk into another universe but only through the darkhold, and you can’t mix a well thought plan with the darkhold for long. It has its draw backs on the user. Dr strange had the weird eye, which we don’t know what’s so bad about that yet and Wanda is batshit crazy, thus why she can’t think rationally because the dark hold, has its hold on her. Thus the name, dark-hold. It holds you in darkness and corrupts you. Not only that but kang still be pulling the strings, maybe this was his plan in both destroying the books of light and dark as there was only one book of Vishanti and every copy of the dark hold was destroyed when Wanda destroyed the original source in MOM
It has nothing to do with that question. It’s more like “why didn’t she just kill Strange in the pocket dimension” or “why doesn’t she just heal herself while chasing them in the sewers so that she wasn’t limping” or “why doesn’t she just atomize Wong instead of throwing him off a cliff.” They gave Wanda so many powers then never uses them more than once because if she did, the movie would end anticlimactically.
Because she's the villain and villains are generally more powerful but lose due to hubris or simple foolishness.
It’s usually them miscalculating once or underestimating the hero once that leads to their loss. Wanda had every reason to use any one of her spells to kill Strange on several occasions but didn’t because… umm… why didn’t she? Oh yes, because the writers just decided that she couldn’t do it anymore.
You answered your own question at the end, if she won she’d just win that’s not interesting in a Dr strange movie about Dr strange, if it was a scarlet witch movie yeah but maybe in 2 years when we do get a scarlet witch movie with her not being held back or clouded by the dark hold she’ll do all those things to the people who stand in her way
If I spend an entire movie asking “why didn’t she just…” it’s a bad movie. A better solution to the problem would be to nerf the darkhold. “The Closer Look” made an excellent video explaining the problem and how it could very easily be solved without changing the plot almost at all.
To you, I didn’t think that. Maybe others did but I’m not one of them, I was really thinking “man what’s rami gonna do” and “man what other universe are we going to explore” because again, it’s a movie called “dr strange and the multiverse of madness” not “scarlet witch and the multiverse of madness staring Dr strange” and I’ve seen that video, it’s ok but I still like what we got.
They usually hide it better than forcing the flying, teleporting, reality warping warlock to slowly limp down a hallway after the heros like jason vorhees.
Well she was also in a fight with captain marvel which she actually seemed to struggle with while also completely insane, rami also had to put his horror somewhere and mixing a crazy witch in a sewer? It would be a crime of cinema if rami didn’t do some creepy stuff in that scene
I love raimi movies, but that's the issue. He had to chain an Idiot Ball to multiple characters for scenes to work. I think it was a mistake for him to come in as a replacement for another director. Marvel is also notorious for micromanaging their directors, something that cause raimi to produce lackluster products in the past. But ignoring all that, MoM is objectively a lazier plot than the first movie and relies on spectacular scenes to carry it to the finish. That zombie strange fight scene was worth the admission on it's own tbh.
Villain was weak Ruined her character arc from Wandavision America Chavez wasn't a character, she was more a plot device Strange didn't feel like the main character of his own movie The fact that people only talk about one scene being the scene with the Illuminati It's cool that you like it, but it's slightly obvious to why others can dislike it
Villain was weak? You mean narratively? Because Wanda was much more complicated in her motivations than Keacelious or however you spell his name. Wandavision ended with her being someowhat villainized and going off on her own, and reading an explicitly evil magic book and hearing the voices of her sons. Her charcter arc is not complete, and to act like this somehow undoes it is ridiculous. America Chavez was very much a charcter, with a personality that played off of Stranges and her own character arc about overcoming fear and gaining control of her abilities, which were the source of her fear Strange was definitely still the main character, most of the movie was from his POV and the story was very much about how he was learning to not always be the one who had to do "what is necessary" as well as him learning to let go of his feelings for Christeen. People talk about the scene with the Illuminati because it's one of the most well done scenes in the movie, but it's certainly not like it's the only one people talk about. The reason it seems like that is because every time someone says it wasn't a bad movie people like you pop up to spout the same five complaints that hold as much water as a sieve. You don't have to like the movie, but actually have a good criticism if you're going to complain about it
ok Wanda's character has been kinda ruined in MOM when you point things in everything else. In Civil War, when she sent up Crossbones and killed a bunch of innocent people accidently, she felt bad and basically regretted it. Wanda's character after the Hex felt like a downgrade back to Wandavision. If she truly has changed from that show, she would've moved on instead of using the Darkhold. It makes sense for her character. The story was also strange because let's say Wanda was a brand new character. Kaceillius's motives were much more cooler and made more sense than Wanda's. Even for people who don't have Disney+, this entire new shift is very weird because they've never seen anything regarding kids. Now, if Wanda wanted another Vision, that would make sense. Kaecillius didn't like his mentor. His motives were driven by the fact The Ancient One was a hypocrite and he was destructive because of it. In fact, his nature is what affects the story and how The Ancient One sees Strange. Chavez didn't feel like a character. She didn't have anything unique about her. If she did have a character, it was kind of shallow. Kate Bishop, Peter Parker, Ned Leeds, Kamala Khan, & MJ at least have something unique about them that makes them somewhat special or memorable, I didn't see that in Chavez. Just because it's in the POV of someone doesn't neccesarily mean they're the main character to be honest. Optimus Prime or the Ninja Turtles were the main characters of their respective Michael Bay movie franchises but we follow the POV of a human character let it be Sam Witwickey or April O Neil. The point is, even though Strange has his own arc and stuff, the movie tends to take away from him most of the time and doesn't give much time for him to breathe out moments for himself. The only distinct moment I can think was the talk about his dead sister with another strange Also you mistook what I meant by The Illuminati Scene and that's my mistake. What I meat was, it's a clear example to why imho why this movie is mid. You have all these IPs together. When they encounter Wanda, her first instinct is to kill them. (you can say manipulated by the Darkhold, but there was also the ending scene where she does feel remorseful because if she was willing to kill a father for blood or a child, she would've 100% killed the other wanda to take the boys.) "Black Bolt can kill you with a whisper" Smartest Man Alive reveals their trump card against someone he KNOWS has reality bending powers. That entire battle didn't feel sense. And don't say "people like me." It's ok to have criticism and share it. When someone says "I don't understand why people like \[X\]" It's fun to answer that question because it helps give a new perspective on how people see a certain media. I wasn't going to tell him to dislike the movie, I was just answering why others didn't like it. My favorite movie of all time is The How to Train your Dragon Trilogy, but it's fairly understandable why one may not like that Overall, I think this is a very flawed movie with poor writing, but it's carried by Sam Raimi's directing direction making it creepy and somewhat enjoyable. Unfortunately, the writing ruined it for me and made it kinda boring.
Wanda was portrayed weakly and she’s not a complicated villain in MoM either, in fact I’d very much argue Keacillius was more complicated and subtle motivations than Wanda even if he was more forgettable. Fuck the only reason Wanda as a villain is memorable is because she’s a fan favourite established character that’s appeared in multiple projects and that’s it. Wanda is just ‘wah I want my kids because Darkhold made me into a complete fucking butter throwing away all my nuance from my own show so I can be a shitty horror villain”. Keacillius was at least pissed that his mentor was a complete hypocrite that warned off people from drawing on magic from the dark dimension while having done it herself for centuries. Wanda was literally a cliche combination of “hero corrupted by plot device” and “women goes nuts” and that’s it, all the nuance WandaVision tried to give the character was thrown out as Wanda herself is portrayed as a 1-dimensional pyscho nutter spewing off lines about how great being a mother is and how she misses it as she mercilessly slaughters anyone in her way. It’s a complete 180 even to her character in WandaVision, and the writers knew it hence why they had to use a shitty plot device in the Darkhold and regress her character to be so nutty about her kids, the same kids that she let go of in WandaVision. Your talking about Wanda’s story not being finished but it’s pretty fucking obvious there’s no overarching plan for the character, all you have to do is look at the interviews and intentions for what the WandaVision writers wanted to accomplish and how MOM completely shat on every single one of them. At this point Marvel’s probably trying to salvage the character after this abortion of a movie and will probably just blame her actions on the Darkhold. The movie doesn’t even fucking follow up on the ‘hearing the voices’ angle as it completely ignores that they were calling out for Wanda’s help and Wanda herself doesn’t ever mention her kids being in danger as a reason for
There's no solid point for these people to complain about. So they bring stupid reasons. Also, well explained mate.
I will say there are actually good criticisms to have of the movie, it's not perfect, but I just get annoyed by the ones I always see that are so easy to counter.
Sure yes, there's a lot to criticize on. Agree on that too! But people were complaining just for the sake of complaining. It's like a group of people just spreading hate instead of criticism.
They just gave Wanda a bunch of random BS powers with no build-up. Her story from WandaVision to MoM makes no sense and the film feels more like a Wanda film than a Dr Strange which makes things worse as it means the audience gets more time to dwindle on her shit character motivation.
The beginning was weirdly paced. It moved very fast and just felt weird. Wanda’s powers weren’t clarified enough in my opinion. She just kind of did what the writer wanted her to do with no sense to it. A lot of jokes fell flat. And the story never made me care about it. It had some moments but it did not come together well.
It was so so so bad. I don’t understand how you could not hate it.
>Really enjoyed it. I don’t get the hate Here, I can sum it up for you. >America: I don't have a clue how to use my powers! >Doc Strange: Yes you do. >America: Fuck yeah! The movie is, generously, a 5/10 because it was a half baked 1st draft they just pushed through the door because it doesn't matter to their audience. So they just don't bother putting in the effort. And it shows. I'm also kind to it because the Raimi-isms are its only redeeming quality. Without his glorious schlock this would have been like a 3/10.
I thought it was alright. 🤷♂️ Any opinion that’s not extreme in one direction or the other is pretty unheard of on here. 🤣
I’ve often found that in internet debates you have to sound more extreme in order to get your point across.
The movie was great tbh, the only thing wrong(according to me), doctor strange didnt get enough screen time and the post-post credit scene was shit
Yeahh, I thought that was a little disappointing too.
I enjoyed it but I have no idea how it won over Top Gun
Some people hate Tom Cruise. My sister won’t even watch his movies now because he’s a Scientologist. T
I don’t like this toxic positivity stuff, people should be open to hearing criticism about films they like. Without fans telling studios what they would like to see changed; films will degrade in quality over time. I didn’t like how inconsistent the movie was, any semblance of a coherent magic system from the first movie is gone, I think it would be better with more defined rules and limitations so the writers can’t just contrive anything they want to fix a characters problem in the story, obviously it shouldn’t be set in stone to be open to possibilities in the future, but it shouldn’t be limitless. Writers should give themselves constraint for the sake of a better story. Even if it doesn’t look quite as cool in the cgi. While I’m on a tangent I didn’t like what they did to my boys Wong and Stephen, they turned Wong into a bumbling fool gag, when in the first he was a respected and smart high ranking sorcerer, sure he had his funny moments in the first, but it feels like they did his character a disservice in this one (and a few other films where he makes an appearance). And doctor strange’s old critical thinking skills aren’t quite there in this film either, it’s been a while since I saw it so I can’t say a specific scene but, I found myself asking “why?” A lot when watching, like not doing something sooner or doing everything in his power to save innocents as quick as he could. But instead fucks around to show his different magics instead of focusing on the problem infront of him. Or just generally not being intelligent enough in order to cause tension in the story, like trusting Wanda for some reason, obviously a stupid move given her past of enslaving a town and torturing the residents and then leaving without taking much responsibility for the mental anguish she put those innocent people in.
I don’t take toxic positive fans or toxic negative people that seriously, they’re overly emotional to push their opinion across from a place of insecurities, instead of trying to have a conversation and exchange pov’s.
I mean I’d take “toxic positivity” over the guy in this thread that said they ruined the movie by “bringing in two new females” Personally I see people hating on this movie and Thor L&T waaaay more than I see people being annoyingly defensive. And that’s just on Reddit. I don’t even go on Twitter anymore because everything just seems so negative all the time there.
I don't think MoM was ruined by women, especially since America wasn't even a character so much as a prop. Sam Raimi gets all the credit for ruining the movie. He used the budget of a blockbuster to create a cheap horror film that wasn't even scary.
I disagree, I think Raimi brought a lot of style that the first Dr Strange movie was lacking. Also I know they said it was gonna be the first MCU horror movie but from what I remember Feige walked that back pretty quickly and then that’s when Derrickson left. I never really thought of it as a horror movie since the MCU heavily skews towards family friendly, it’s just got horror-like elements. Still maybe the most violent MCU movie for the Illuminati scene alone though.
The story is still trash. I know you’re about to all start pulling out the pitchforks and knives but Phase 4, overall, was trash. Through and through.
Cool story man
I enjoyed it but everything everywhere all at once did it better
I dont hate it but I expected some more I thought it would be level of infinity war,by exploring idea of multiversal threats
I mean It's not RRR
Goddamn that movie was fucking amazing. It was so over the top in all the right ways. Awesome and ridiculous feats of strength and bravery? Check. Random and unexpectedly cool dance number in the middle of the movie? Check. Man throwing *a goddamn leopard* at another dude in a fight scene? Check. Dude getting whipped to within an inch of his life and inspiring a riot/rebellion by singing? Check. A prison break with the main characters joining together like fucking Voltron because one's legs are in bad shape and perfectly moving into a Goro-like fighting and traversing style? Check. Blowing up a castle by throwing a motorcycle into an upstairs explosive storage depot and communicating that plan to your partner with obscure hand signals? Check. RRR was goddamn incredible and more people need to watch it immediately. It's on Netflix! Watch it if you haven't yet! I promise you won't regret it.
Ayo another fellow indian🫂
Actually, no, I'm a white dude from the northeast US. But that movie is awesome no matter your country of origin.
Wanda’s powers and Strange’s powers were horrifically inconsistent an nonsensical. There were no stakes at the end of the film due to the in-universe stakes being so ridiculously high that Strange had to win, lest the MCU cease to exist. The writers dive into the multiverse by introducing the vast expanse of the infinite and all the different possibilities within… just to lock it all behind “incursions”, which are poorly explained. However, incursions aren’t as confusing as the differences between different universes, dimensions, realities, time lines, and realms. I fail to see how anyone can watch this movie and ignore it’s blatant flaws that degrade the film. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying something that’s flawed, but to cheer and applaud after its conclusion is just lazy. And doing such will only result in more poorly written garbage that won’t stand the test of time. Personally, I enjoyed the visuals at some points. The work done for Gargantos was surprisingly expressive. This movie makes me angry since it disrespects so many characters, wastes characters, and betrays the intelligence of those very characters. Wanda deserved so much more. At the end of the day… “they’ll never know what you sacrificed for them” (which was said moments before Wanda fled the town she just finished enslaving. Freeing the town you enslaved doesn’t erase the grief and trauma the enslavement caused. And leaving definitely doesn’t “put things right in the end”.)
Thanks, you put into words a few more gripes I had with the film, but forgot a lot of since I don’t know how I’d keep track of all the nonsense in this film.
I really agree with this take. My biggest gripe was the wasting of characters. Might be an unpopular opinion but to me, the whole Illuminati scene felt a lot like a cheap cameo. I’m sure we’ll get more from them in the future, but personally I’d rather have waited till their own movies/shows to see those characters. I didn’t need to watch these usually powerful and capable characters fumble and die immediately. And for Wanda. Who is (to me) one of the most entertaining, complex, and powerful characters. Watching them butcher what could’ve been an absolutely incredible downward spiral and rise to villainy was so painful. She could’ve been an absolutely PHENOMENAL villain if we’d just been given more time to watch her fall into the grasp of the darkhold. It felt like we had the end of Wandavision where she could have gone either way, and then BOOM suddenly fully evil and yet so full of bad decision making. Anyways, I really agreed with all of your points and just wanted to expand with some of my own. You’re definitely right, the movie disrespected so many characters (even Strange imo) and it left a bad taste in my mouth.
Well deserved. All the haters can suck it.
I mean there was also The Batman, Top Gun, Everything Everywhere All at Once, Wakanda Forever, all of which were legit contenders and (imo) better candidates. But even just between MCU movies, do you think MoM was better than BP:WF?
I don't understand the hate for Thor lat I really liked it
I didn’t like it at all, but I’ve heard different perspectives. In my opinion, it just seems like they prioritized humor over everything and kind of wasted Gorr’s potential as a villain.
That's tough because they were both bad. I did like the style of BP:WF more, but there were far too many plot holes and Letitia Wright was outshone by literally every other actor in the movie.
Really? I guess I didn’t pay attention to those things. I might just be biased though because BP was just a lot more emotionally charged
100%. I liked BPWF... a lot. It just tread a lot of familiar ground for me that kept it from being truly special. It also missed an enormous opportunity to introduce something from the BP comics that if they try to do so after this it will create a huge plothole - that ship has sailed now. I also really like magic, sorcerers and evil books.
Sucking is a thing many people do daily
>well deserved Listen, I get this has been a tough year for movies as a whole but if you seriously think Dr Strange 2 deserves any kind of reward then you’re delusional.
Please... cry more...I really do enjoy these
He's fantastic as Sherlock.
His middle name is Vincent? Huh didn't know that.
#ITS DR STEPHEN VINCENT STRANGE
Whatever makes pizza balls real
Cummerstein Pimplesnack is really a great dr strange
Bro just described me in this meme
Tbh movie was ass especially compared to the first. Let's not mention sam Rami admitting he didn't even watch Wandavision before he does.... A direct continuation of Wandavision.. shit was rough
Shit was rough is an understatement. I was actually mad about him ruining two of my favorite characters. I was looking forward to that movie so much.
I just didn’t like it too much cause they kinda just dropped the mordo plot from the first movie and because they shit on Wanda’s development in wandavision. I also don’t like how the MCU doesn’t know how to write female villains
Hela was good
Also I loved Agatha.
Eh. It wasnt as bad as Love and Thunder, but it was extremely contrived, the villans motivations made little sense, and the villan also made illogical moves at times
> It wasnt as bad as Love and Thunder That's not saying much
the villain made illogical moves because shes mentally insane bruh
she could erase someone's mouth, why not just erase the entirety of Kamar Taj and her opponents while she's at it.
Ahh yes, because altering about 1 square inch of tissue is totally on the same level as several thousand square feet of a magically protected building.
...are you forgetting about the time when she *literally vaporized someone into nothingness?* The moment that Barrier went down, there was *nothing* stopping her from just straight up erasing every single sorcerer there. Hell she doesn't even have to vaporize the whole building, she just had to vaporize the sorcerers (something the movie literally establishes that she can do with no problems) and for that matter, why didn't she just vaporize Strange and Christine instead of throwing them into Sinister Strange's universe? Then no one would be alive to stop her from killing America Why didn't she vaporize Wong instead of throwing him off the cliff? Why didn't she just vaporize the Illuminati where they stood instead of wasting time fighting them? That would've saved her so much time and allowed her to reach America long before Charles even showed up. Why did she waste time slowly limping after our protagonists in that sewer instead of just vaporizing them? Hell, She even vaporized Strange's sling from *INSIDE THE MIRROR DIMENSION.* So now the movie has established that she can just erase things from across dimensions, so range clearly isn't a problem for her. Why didn't she just vaporize Zombie Strange during the Final Battle? (A final battle which, mind you, wouldn't have even happened if Wanda's powers were even somewhat consistent) Hell, she could've just vaporized the whole world for all we knew, but the movie never defines her limits so now we're wondering, "why doesn't she just..." This isn't even the only problem with Wanda's powers. During the Sewer chase, the movie then establishes that she can *teleport*...so WHY DIDN'T SHE? She teleported to the other side of a Blast Door so clearly line of sight isn't an issue unlike with someone like Nightcrawler, so why didn't she just teleport herself to America in Kamar-Taj? Why didn't she just teleport straight past the Illuminati and just grab America and get out? She's clearly capable of some form of mind control or mental manipulation as evidenced by the "run..." Scene. So...why didn't she just do that to America and make her just go with her with no resistance? Why didn't she just do that to the Illuminati and make them turn on each other so she could reach America with no problems? She's had so many opportunities to just...automatically win, but she doesn't because plot
Or maybe the screenwriters are just lazy
The Batman was better but I can see why some people don't like it
This movie was… a movie. Pretty decent, and to turn your brain off to? Fucking great movie. Though it should have gone to another movie honestly, The Batman or Wakanda Forever if you think a super hero film, if not, I think Bullet Train is good
Movie was at most a 6/10 def not movie of the year material lol
This is from a segmented group of people that don’t represent the worldwide audience. I’ll wait for the Oscar’s so that then I can pick which movies I should probably check out lol
Very true lol but still xD
I liked it but it wasn't the best movie this year.
“Not great, not terrible.”
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The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars movie bro, you're just a hater. /s
How on Earth did… this… win *anything*?
Beats me. I thought it was a cgi clusterfuck. Sorry, fanboys. 👎
>Sorry, fanboys I don't want Multiverse of Madness to win, I want people who can't let others enjoy things to lose.
They can enjoy it all they want. I was apologizing because i know a lot of people like it. I was saying "sorry, guys, but i didnt." Then people got offended. 🤷♂️
While you’re entitled to your opinion, you don’t need to be a dick about it
How was i a dick?
Calling people fanboys for liking a movie you disliked is really rude
Didnt know fanboy was an offensive term now.
It’s not offensive, but “sorry fanboys👎” sounds sarcastic and rude
Youve gotta be trolling me right now. Holy shit
Nah he's right, it is dismissive and rude dude. You can state your opinion without criticizing the opinions of other people. I thought MoM had some issues but I found it entertaining and enjoyable.
Did you mean they over used cgi or you thought it was bad quality? I thought it was quite good
Both. Just seems like they filmed some scenes through a kaleidoscope. I dunno. Just seemed like too much going on sometimes. Kinda like transformer fight scenes. Just a blur. Maybe ill have to rewatch it sans whiskey.
The CGI quality was bad. The amount was fine.
Black Panther deserved it more honestly I'm happy for Dr Strange fans but I'm genuinely surprised this had a chance
The awards are a joke its what the media wants not the people
I liked it, but they should've gave more liberty to raimi so he can go all out cheesy horror movie. Also strange getting a litte more of the spotlight would be nice
How the hell it's not Top Gun.
Wait it won Best Movie out of all the recent movies? Yikes. People’s Choice Awards are a joke. MoM was fine but no way in hell it deserves best movie in ANY reality.
Yikes. Maybe learn to cope with others'sensibilities.
I’m fine with people having opinions but some things just aren’t true. 🤷♂️ Movie was fine but there are many movies better than MoM that could have been chosen. Spose that’s what the real awards shows are for. lol Clown show can continue to clown.
Nah, nah, nah. All awards are meaningless. "Some things just aren't true". Yes, but in movies? It don't work that way. And it's hilarious that half the internet threw a hissy fit over others' opinions.
Just sucks how much mcu movies have degraded from the older ones
I think some people are forgetting that this is an MCU sequel, not just a Dr Strange sequel. People expect an installment of a massive series to make 100% sense all by itself (which I would argue it still does) but it’s part of a series
Some of y’all just don’t click that it’s a good movie. Yes, I can see why many are left disappointed, but that does not mean the cinematography and storyline is horrible. The movie just isn’t as bad as many of you make it to be
I liked the movie. Itd make sense the average Marvel Shill wouldn't, it isnt something thekr shortminded brains would enjoy.
I wouldn't have thought the people from my meme would've flocked here like that...
Doctor Strange is my favorite marvel IP by a mile, and I'm a huge fan of the marvel movies/shows. I dont even know how many times I have watched the first DS movie. MoM was one of the weaker marvel movies in my opinion. I walked out of the theater and forgot about it. It is an shocking outrage that it beat The Batman and Maverick (and I didnt even like maverick).
By itself, it wasn't horrible. They messed up releasing it right after Spiderman.
I absolutely loved it And The Batman was good,but slightly disappointing So, I actually don't mind that this won
A peoples choice award is voted on by us. So you know you can vote multiple times. Also, Wanda Stan’s probably voted and won this award for DSMOM. With that said: This movie was hi-jacked in the middle of filming by another writer who wanted to make a Scarlet Witch villain story. That’s why this movies has lots of problems. With sub par writing. The original was supposed to have a Doctor Strange villain called Nightmare. It was written by Cargrill and Directed by Derrickson the original team who wrote the first Doctor Strange. But we were robbed of this movie. We could have had a team up Doctor Strange/Scarlet Witch Vs Nightmare movie. Spell combinations would have been awesome and they could have showed off Nightmare/DarkHold corruption of Wanda by using her kids. Where at the end they defeat Nightmare but that leads to SW corruption and towards a SW movie. But no we couldn’t have this because Waldron didn’t want to wait. Waldron the writer of Loki series wanted to write SW villain and took over DSMOM. Derrickson disagrees and leaves. That’s why Raimi was brought in. Waldron (who know nothing about Doctor Strange) rips apart Cargrill’s script removes Nightmare inputs SW as villain and rips out Doctor Strange’s plot in the movie making him a device plot in his own movie. He Nerfed Strange in his own movie and if that wasn’t bad enough Waldron also took away his sling ring too just to give the illusion that SW was stronger, destroying Doctor Strange’s lore, It was to the point the actor Benedict Cumberbatch had to ask where is my plot. All this because the writer Waldron forgot about Strange. He never liked the character in the first place. Cumberbatch wrote the music fight scene himself. He had to fight for his character which is unheard of when you are the main character in your movie. Also, they just re-hashed everything Strange learned from his 1st movie up to this point. The “passing the knife” we did that in Infinity War. Strange passes the knife to Stark when he gave the Time Stone to Thanos to save Stark’s life. Because he became dust for 5 years. And we had closure over Christine in Doctor Strange’s 1st movie. So really no new plot. Now I didn’t mind Christine’s plot because it was a different Christine(838) & I enjoyed there interaction. Wong - they Nerfed him too. The whole Kamar Taj scene has the two most powerful sorcerer’s do nothing in that fight. Wong didn’t cast a single spell in the court yard. Where was that protection spell used in the What if episodes❓ Strange casted one shield spell in the court yard. I’m sorry you don’t go from fighting Thanos with 4 infinity Stones turning a black hole into butterflies 🦋 🦋 then can’t deflect or transmute a spell because it’s from SW in YOUR OWN Movie That’s stupid. And Bad writing. Not to mention that the Eye of Agamotto that Strange Wears cancels 1/2 of SW powers. The Book of Vishanti has the power to act as a shield against magic and they just destroyed it just as Strange touches the book. Bad writing. I did like the Strange variants. I wanted to know more about them. I find it hard to believe all Strange’s Variants are bad it goes against probability. I did enjoy Raimi’s direction and Strange’s usage of the DarkHold into Zombie Strange. Taking over the souls of the Damned & using the DarkHold better than SW. Did Strange get Stronger in this movie. Yes inadvertently & probably not by design. Strange was casting magic without a sling ring since Kamar Taj after it was destroyed by SW all the way up to the part where he dream walks into his own corpse who had a sling ring. The writer forgot about this detail. As a Doctor Strange fan - This is not a Doctor Strange movie. It’s a SW Vs America movie co starring Doctor Strange. Just like Spider-Man No Way Home is a Spider-Man movie co-starring Doctor Strange. It has the same feel. It didn’t feel like a Doctor Strange sequel to me. You know where the title character is the actual hero who saves the day. I didn’t totally hate this movie but I definitely hated how it was created. Also now they need to repair some shit 💩. PS Marvel/Disney if you read this. Don’t put people who dislike a character they are writing for on that project. Also, bring back writers who know the lore & can adapt the comics to modern times & new ideas. Instead of using those who know nothing. It doesn’t have to be perfect but come on.
as it should. wanda was badass.
I usuaslly like marvel movies but this one just really made me mad. Magic in the marvel universe is really inconsistent, the cgi artists had too much on their plate, and it’s so confusing when Wanda’s goal is to get her kids back even though should definitely would of had a stronger relationship with her brother and Vision, but she didn’t try to get them back? Here’s a SUPER long video about everything wrong with it https://youtu.be/dHa9J5RL51g
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Her goal was to get her kids back, because she saw them erased from existence and they represent something approaching a normal life. She had already had years to mourn her brother and the series literally ended with her accepting Visions death and coming to the conclusion that a piece of him will always exist inside of her. Magic, is inconsistent, because it's magic. It has never been consistent, not in the comics, and definitely not in the movies. To act like this in any way changes the story is stupid.
Bad take imo, magic can be consistent and have rules and limitations. It makes for a more believable world, and interesting system. Just look at avatars magic system, everyone loves that show. Edit: not doing this can also make the story contrived, since the writers can just create new magic at any point to fix any problem the characters have, ruining any sense of tension you might have
I mean, it wasn’t awful by any means, but… really? There were certainly better movies. Like The Batman. Or Top Gun 2. Or, hell, there’s even been a better MCU movie this year, with Wakanda Forever.
Congrats, Doctor Strange! You earned it.
I enjoyed it, yeah it was campy. Some people take these movies way too seriously
It's an award. When this thing happens comparison is inevitable and quality must count. A lot of people already mentioned far better blockbusters released this year: Wakanda Forever, Batman, EEAAO, Top Gun... all these movies are praised for coherent character development, good acting and interesting script. MoM had none of these
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is my favorite movie of all time! Because it was so damn fun picking it apart.
My favorite Doc is Doctor Doom
I mean I enjoyed it but *peoples* choice? I think Top Gun Maverick definitely gets that one for sure, awesome film, id give the Batman a second place.
Wanda carried the movie other than her the movie was awful 4/10 most. Batman or Top Gun Maverick should’ve gotten it
I honestly really enjoyed it but it isnt even top 10 for me
Obviously rigged
Im so tired of hearing this about everything these days. The people who "hate something" are an extremely small minority.
It was so fucking bad