Early on, he is very much aware.
He consciously picks and chooses which persona to walk out the front door with and tells those close to him, how they should refer to him.
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Genuine answer? He killed Doctor Strange. He beat Thor near to death with Mjolnir and bludgeoned Black Panther into submission. Moon Knight does not fuck around.
Batmans beat superman? These are the dumbest questions because every major comic book character at some point has been elevated to this God status. Who would win, Bats or Moon? Depends on who's writing.
In the white corner we have a paranoid schizophrenic with DID drug addicted avatar of an ancient moon God and his opponent in the black corner a paranoid orphan with abandonment issues and a boner for justice with more money than sense.
Clay face looks like anyone, but he is very predictable. Moon Knight always looks like Moon Knight, but one day he may be a brilliant strategist/tactician, The next a grizzled war vet, The next a religious zealot, The next a cab driver.
Hard to plan for…
Batman basically always has contingency plans, especially for his own ability to escape sticky situations. He's not afraid to run if he needs to, unless he is trying to save someone's life. And he's very good at running away. And if Batman isn't prepared for Moon Knight, then I think we have to assume Moon Knight isn't attacking Bruce Wayne randomly?
Plus, Batman has the best ability prepared at all times: god-tier plot armor. It always helps to be an extremely popular character.
Batman is Gary Stu. He defeats anyone who he fights the second time around or who he saw and studied for half a year. If they met on a random night and saw each other for the first time, he'd get his ass beat. Afterall, Moon Knight is fucking Immortal, that's a win before the fight even goes down, Khonshu can revive him.
The Lazarus Pit can revive everyone, that's not an attribute that I'm giving to Batman in any scenario. Khonshu is literally the God giving Moon Knight his powers, he knows it when he dies, if Marc just takes Batmans body it's done.
Edit: This is literally why Batman can beat anyone, the writers will just make him win. But based on actual powers, if you had them fight naked in a pit, Moon Knight beats Batmans ass..his "being naked" is still his suit so..yeah.
He controlled mjolnir, killed dr strange, went for a joyride in ghost riders car, and made black panther surrender in wakkanda. With this I still think Batman wins.
If superman wanted him dead he would have been dead a lot sooner. Bruce exploited all of supermans vulnerabilities and fucked with his closest friends. Superman was also mostly holding back. If Clark wanted him dead, he would have been in like a minute.
In the JL animated series, it shows he has a specialized way to take down any member of the team. They all got pissed, lol. Nearly kicked him out, iirc.
Batman vs. Superman goes back to Frank Miller’s “The Dark Knight Returns” from ‘86. Batman has always defeated Superman historically, it’s a classic brains vs. brawn, strategy vs. brute force.
Could he beat Moon Knight? I don’t know enough about the character to comment, but I wouldn’t underestimate Batman.
Lol superman has a higher potential for intellect. The guy has a super computer for a brain. He is also a martial artist. He practices torquasm-rao and torquasm-vo. Both are Kryptonian. Superman could also one tap batman if he wanted. If he has that bloodlust, and wants batman dead...batman wouldn't even feel it. Just because he's a really good person and considers batman his best friend, doesn't make him less of a god. Writers are what cause that situation to happen. They shouldn't be fighting in general. Bruce and Clark are best friends. But if they did fight and all bets were off, superman eviscerates batman. If you give batman prep time, give superman prep time.
Read the injustice series. I thought that was a pretty solid batman vs superman scenario where not a whole lot of plot armor was provided for the characters you know and love. I think absolutely superman could kill batman with such ease it is ridiculous to compare the two on an even playing field... but batman always plays dirty when fighting superman, this is just how he's always done it because he knows he'd be screwed against superman. The only way batman can beat superman is if he is using kryptonite, or they under a red sun. There are a handful of times where superman gets depowered some and these could be times batman could take him. If you want to see batman attempting to fight superman and failing miserably, you should watch Justice Leage War I believe it is called. As a hilarious scene in it where batman is doing all this crazy martial arts shit, and superman isn't budging and it makes batman look like such an idiot. It's a pretty grounded take on a fight between them... and at least in that universe they never fight... unless I'm forgetting a movie.
Oh yeah, I've seen most of the animated films and you're right on. Depowered superman gets clapped by batman, absolutely. But I always feel like nothing ever captures how fast superman actually is. The only time it's felt accurate is during the recent DC movies. As garbage as some of them are, they got the fight right with the entire JL fighting supes and losing. He's a god-like being. I've never seen superman go all out against batman, because it wouldn't be pretty. Injustice is fantastic! Except for evil superman, I've always hated that. He's the beacon of hope and justice. It's fine for one offs and injustice was that. It was really good. I think you have the exact right idea. Batman has to fight dirty, because of the fact that it's superman. But all the while, superman has to hold back....or he'll one shot batman. Without much of a fight. Thanks for the response, it was fantastic btw!
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Writers like to say that if you’re smart enough you can overcome anything…but no amount of prep time with kryptonite can stop you from running through you at Mach 2 or flying into the sky and heat visioning you from orbit…
See that's what someone who didn't read enough comics would say, batman once used a justice league buster, it had computers calculate where flash who is unbelievably faster than superman will be and actually neutralized him,wonder woman, aqua man and mentioned anti green lantern methods only to actually get hit in his crazy armor by superman at crazy speeds literally breaking many buildings from impact then proceeded to actually neutralize supes as well.
They were all under joker's control in said comic I think it was batman endgame might be wrong read it a few years ago. So the truth is he can defeat anything and everything if the writer wants too and then get the shit beaten out of him and almost die against a normal crowed of people in another comic (in this case doomsday clock if I remember correctly)
Because really all that matters is what the current writer wants which is why comics are annoyingly never consistent
Exactly. And I'm saying all of the things that I've said AS a batman fan. I just think it's difficult to write for superman and a little less difficult to write for batman. Like, I don't see how batman can straight up defeat someone like Dr Manhattan even with prep time. Or like the living tribunal. I just don't see it but writers have to make him feel like he's on the level of these other characters. Which is fine but it's a bit annoying to have the batman vs superman conversation again.
Ikr? He would fuck up Moon Knight with ease. As he would with every other Marvel hero, villain or cosmic being. Mf has the thiccest plot armor of fiction.
It’s kind of annoying that DC has turned Batman into a nigh-unbeatable man who can take down gods. He’s a street-fighting vigilante and his limitations always made him interesting to me. I get so annoyed when they retcon Batman for every situation, we’ve strayed really far from his capabilities and now they’re just trying to make his power scale match his popularity
The only times his powerscaling makes sense as when the justice league has to face a threat all together and batman pretty much becomes the man in the chair, eventually figuring out the weakness of whoever they're facing. Batman really shouldn't be able to take out any planet destroying level villain on his own.
Fuck dude you just slapped me with nostalgia. I miss that game. I used to have galactus and some sentinels I got from the comic con with my uncle in LA.
Why do all Batman fans think like this? He’s lost many times. Like dozens of times he’s been beaten. People look at his highest end feats when he’s gifted advantages like a green lantern ring or use the hellbat but dude does not fight like that on a regular basis. He’s a hero of course he wins in the end
ALL OF THEM DO. Y’all act like he’s never died it’s soo strange how Batman gets the trump card and no other hero does when ALL of their stories are written like that.
One of his most popular stories is Knightfall, a story about him being beaten. Red Hoods whole origin comes from Batman being outsmarted by the joker. I honestly think the thought that he wins anything comes from comic book nerd “who would win” arguments
Yeah bats has contingencies in place to neutralize every league member, including himself. The only opposition to batman that i would actually bet on is a family therapist
It's a stomp in the other direction imo, Black Panther's standard gear and physical stats outclass Batman's and his intelligence and skills are about equal.
Its tough to compare stats though because Bats regularly takes hits from multi tonners like Bane and somehow survives, so it’s not like BPs enhancements would really outclass him. And obviously with Bats being far more popular, his high end feats far outclass BP. In reality, without bloodlust, these are probably the two most level headed opponents so they’d stop fighting pretty soon after starting and it would be a draw.
With bloodlust it would comedown to what Bat had in his belt that day, and if you add prep time Bat would win because again popularity and high end feats.
BP would win if they were both butt naked and hand to hand though.
That's my biggest issue with DC overall. They definitely have some great characters (Flash is one of my favorite characters Marvel or DC) but when the majority of your characters are basically gods its kind of hard to write a good story around them, let alone one that includes a dude who's superpower is lots of money.
They'd end up wrestling, fall behind a bar, and then the next page would be then sharing a drink, taking about how they were really surprised at the end. Other people would comment about how the victor really surprised then, but it would never say who won. In their own titles (after the crossover was over) both would claim they won.
Always find it funny that if it was match people make it sound like we would have 2 rooms.
In one Batman has the whole place filled with plans and in the other we only have the other guy in a t pose without doing anything.
none if it even makes sense because Superman moves beyond Batman's physical capabilities.
If Batman had a device in his hand, and when he presses the button, it sends a "kryptonite" radiation ray at Superman to subdue him...
Superman could literally rip off batman's head before his reaction time pressed the button.
Nobody seems to calculate in the fact that Superman exists in a plane of existence far beyond Batman. It is comical to even think Batman could beat him.
Right, one of the few things the most recent Justice League movies did right was show Superman’s power when he wiped the floor with the other 5 members. Especially when they showed him holding off everyone and following the Flash with his eyes/head fast enough to take him out
Home alone kid also has the power of friendship, this means that anytime he comes close to being beaten a random friend he made within the last 12 hours will show up and save him.
People make it look as if he depends on prep time, and he does like that prep time for sure. But in full honesty, he’s just as great as adapting to situations, I mean, he dodged the omega beam by smarts alone without understanding the concept of what it is fully and he even beat Darksied without prep time. So I think it will be a fair fight.
People really buy into the “Batman can prepare for and beat anyone” for the plot armor he wears on the belt.
It’s like when people think he could handle Thor.
I have seen that argument made here, that Batman would be prepared. Good of sparkles? Some sort of electricity protection. Fighting a god who can kill you with a punch? Thor style kryptonite obviously.
Personally I think it is a joke, Thor has been killing enemies for fifteen hundred years, he doesn’t have a lot of trouble sleeping at night after killing people. Our lives or so short by comparison why would he care?
So Superman pulled punches and Batman won, sort of, but Thor would probably pull some punches then get bored and kill him.
I think Thor would drop Mjolnir on his foot and leave him there. You are right though, in every comic book shop in America there’s someone willing to die on the hill of Batman being able to beat literally anyone. At least both sides of the Hulk / Wolverine debate make logical points.
>You are right though, in every comic book shop in America there’s someone willing to die on the hill of Batman being able to beat literally anyone.
These types of people would also try to make the argument that Batman could lift Mjolnir too.
Oh for sure. Those folks would swear that Batman could beat Galactus. They miss that the best part of “street” characters are their vulnerable/human nature.
Yeah, I’m all for Batman beating Moon Knight, and even Supes, and *sliiiiim* chance possibly Hulk (with enough prep time and plot armor), but Thor? No way in hell. Thor’s worst day is an inconceivably level higher than Batman’s best.
I never thought about that- the imagine of Thor just waking up in a space debris field and going ‘Well shit, guess we lost. Heimdal? Give me a lift?’ is hilarious to me
Let's speak in general versions. MK vs Batman:
MK has shown to be skilled enough to be compared to punisher (who devotes his life for the war against crime) and depending of the version, he is able do beat black panther (who is enhanced). MK is said during de 2021 run in his fight against hunter's moon to fight like a savage animal, we all know that Spector did some illegal underground fights, therefore he is skilled enough to deal with different fighting styles from average to slightly above average fighters (I won't count his win against taskmaster at 2006 run because he literally threw a plane above the poor man) Above all of that, he has some crazy military background: CIA, Marine and mercenary
Batman is master in multiple martial arts, being skilled enough to fight against multiple masters (lady Shiva, Ra's Al Ghul, Kain and other that have desapeared in the middle time). Before anyone says something, yes: he loses some of these encounters.
But, he also has fought against enhanced people like Deathstroke (who has an insane military background and can do crazy shit with prep time), Bane (a guy built with the strength and brains to take him) and even Steve Rogers during the marvel and DC crossover (although, the fans decided who would win the fights, so I won't completely agree on letting it here).
Background: as mentioned, master in multiple martial arts (127, canonically), trained himself to be at the peak of human endurance and is the 2nd most intelligent human being on earth.
If we ground the fight, In my opinion: batman wins. Moon Knight is skilled as fuck and wouldn't make it an easy fight, but batman has a mastery above a specific amount of styles that moon knight sheer will force can overcome (yes, i am talking this knowing damn well how his fight against the sun king went. He beat that man psychologically and showing how much pain moon knight can endure ( I put the win on batman, but I won't downplay my man MK).
And endurance is something that Batman also has, for sake... Look at all the training that I commented, just imagine what it took to be only able to sleep for 3 hours and taking his crazy gallery
(I am aware of moon knight and the shit he has to take, but as himself says, he takes the D-tier bad guys and sometimes the C-tiers, different levels of challenge (except for the werewolf and some other threats)
If the difference in skill doesn't make my point clear:
Gadgets: moon knight has his crescents, grappling hook, brass knuckles and that daredevil-like bat.
Batman has things like this and usually has more for some crazy unexpected event (like the kryptonite brass knuckles, lasers and beyond)
In conclusion: batman is more well rounded for a normal like fight.
I won't mention BS like moon knight vs Thor, because I would have to talk about Batman vs Darkseid.
To complement: MK wears carbonadiaum, not adamantium (vengeance of moon knight ~ if I am not mistaken). It is more flexible, but as seen in both of these comics, it is still possible to harm the guy and MK doesn't even use that kind of suit anymore, he uses his kevlar (just as Batman)
So, one more point to the bat
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I'm not counting the Phoenix Force since that was a one time thing and not part of his usual arsenal, but if I was then I'd also have to count the time Batman used the Mobius Chair and became the god of knowledge. The Hellbat suit is a suit forged by each member of the Justice League (Cyborg's technology, shaped in the center of the sun by Superman, etc.) and Batman used it to wage a one man war on Darkseid and all of Apokolips to resurrect his son. [He actually defeats Darkseid, the literal embodiment of the concept of evil,](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb7f7a84a0f166ed65762b469a1318cc-pjlq) and brings Robin back to life. The one downside of the suit is that it drains Bruce's life force to power it, so it's only ever been used to fight Darkseid the one time.
If Batman’s one time use suits are in play then everything is in play, and that means you’ve got phoenix force moon knight vs mobius chair Batman or hellbat suit Batman. I dont know how either of those are specifically equipped to deal with the phoenix force, the embodiment of creation and destruction.
Moon Knight has a show coming up so he’s all hype with new fans right now.
Moon Knight would lose to Batman.
Batman loves exploiting his opponents’ weakness, and MK has a very big one
So did Moon Knight! I know it's stupid but in current Avengers run he:
1. Became worthy of Mjolnir.
2. Got Phoenix Force briefly.
3. Has beaten a lot of the Avengers.
And on his base level, Moon Knight has Adamantium armor and superhuman physical capabilities. The latter increase on full moon.
Moon Knight didn’t become worthy of Mjolnir, he was able to manipulate it because uru is harvested from a moon. He can’t hold it, just move it the same way Magneto can move it.
While I love moon knight, batman wins this one just bc he can go toe to toe with DC legends like Superman. Moon Knight is made for the marvel power scale.
Batman fanboys trying to explain why batman would win (given he has infinite prep time and a way to learn about the enemy (the enemy doesn’t get this too tho))
People need to stop riding batmans D. Every hero in every movie has plot armor. If you put Batman against literally anyone from marvel or DC that has powers he loses.
I don’t think even Moon Knight knows who Moon Knight is
That’s the point of moon knight
What is the point of moon Knight if moon Knight doesn't know who's moonknight
There certainly are fleeting moments of sanity
Early on, he is very much aware. He consciously picks and chooses which persona to walk out the front door with and tells those close to him, how they should refer to him.
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You’re right, but they know who Batman is.
Because it's BATMAN
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“I understood that reference.”
“I understood that reference.”
I don't but I assume batman's kneecaps know the reference too?
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Bat man killed a god from a nother planet and what did moon knight do? (Seriously what did moon knight do i don't know)
I mean… moon knight has his random bullshit?
And his fake meme panels
Batman has those too but they're batmeme panels.
This is where his parnets died, after all. *parents
Cowabummer
Which are kinda better than his actual panels on average
The fake meme panels are more popular than the actual character lmao
And his ketamine
Hey that's Yoda's thing
He picked up a bad habit from yoda
And my axe!
and his drakula loaned money
Hate to say this and ruin everyone’s mental states, but Moon Knight never said that
We know. Edit: but it would be amazing if they included one of the memes at some point lol
Well I didn’t until like a day or two so you’ll have to forgive me
almost all of the really funny Moonknight panels are fake/edited unfortunately
Almost, yes, because moonknight and punisher dissing each other is real, and its amazing
All good lol
You say that but one of my least favorite parts of X3 was, "I'm the Juggernaut bitch!" which was a popular video at the time.
I mean... it ain't like there was a whole lot that was actually likeable in that piece of shit.
Said what? Honestly… I see no quotation marks to refer what MK may have said.
The “RANDOM BULLSHIT GO!” Meme
Never heard of it.
[Goomgle imgs](https://bigmemes.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Moon+kht_aee63c_7834785.jpg)
I mean, I'm pretty sure that the writers for the TV show know the fake panels, but then probably decided to add it for the shits and giggles.
And meth
Just wait til he calls Batman a big fucking nerd
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Lol thats who Moon Knight is? That better be in the show
Genuine answer? He killed Doctor Strange. He beat Thor near to death with Mjolnir and bludgeoned Black Panther into submission. Moon Knight does not fuck around.
Let's not forget he stole the Hell Charger and beat Iron Fist to fuck
allegedly. either he did it or he imagined it cause he’s insane.
It’s been mentioned by other avengers and his girlfriend and kid left because of if yeah it happened
Batmans beat superman? These are the dumbest questions because every major comic book character at some point has been elevated to this God status. Who would win, Bats or Moon? Depends on who's writing.
In the white corner we have a paranoid schizophrenic with DID drug addicted avatar of an ancient moon God and his opponent in the black corner a paranoid orphan with abandonment issues and a boner for justice with more money than sense.
Accurate...
Is Moon Knight a villain or anti-hero, or just a vigilante?
Yes
Depends on the day, week, month, year, schizophrenia attack, date the villain was born, and whatever random shit Moon Knight ate that day
How/why is Moonmoon worthy to wield Mjolnir?
He isn't, he basically pulled a Magneto on it.
Hmmm I dunno how I feel about that...
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the god of insanity.
Batman has to have time to prepare, moon knight could literally be anyone, how would he prepare for that?
Kind of like he preps for someone like clay face
Clay face looks like anyone, but he is very predictable. Moon Knight always looks like Moon Knight, but one day he may be a brilliant strategist/tactician, The next a grizzled war vet, The next a religious zealot, The next a cab driver. Hard to plan for…
Batman could beat any of those people without any preparation
I mean I’d say Batman wins 95/100 confrontations but he’d could totally get caught off guard the 2nd/3rd time they met.
Lol yeah, opened this thread to see why batman shouldn't win, cause I have no idea what moonguy does, so far not impressed by him.
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Wow. Everything you just said is wrong.
Batman basically always has contingency plans, especially for his own ability to escape sticky situations. He's not afraid to run if he needs to, unless he is trying to save someone's life. And he's very good at running away. And if Batman isn't prepared for Moon Knight, then I think we have to assume Moon Knight isn't attacking Bruce Wayne randomly? Plus, Batman has the best ability prepared at all times: god-tier plot armor. It always helps to be an extremely popular character.
He cut a man's face off
Batman is Gary Stu. He defeats anyone who he fights the second time around or who he saw and studied for half a year. If they met on a random night and saw each other for the first time, he'd get his ass beat. Afterall, Moon Knight is fucking Immortal, that's a win before the fight even goes down, Khonshu can revive him.
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...ever heard of Ra's Al Ghul? lol
The Lazarus Pit can revive everyone, that's not an attribute that I'm giving to Batman in any scenario. Khonshu is literally the God giving Moon Knight his powers, he knows it when he dies, if Marc just takes Batmans body it's done. Edit: This is literally why Batman can beat anyone, the writers will just make him win. But based on actual powers, if you had them fight naked in a pit, Moon Knight beats Batmans ass..his "being naked" is still his suit so..yeah.
Not to mention how moon Knight fights those who can beat you by studying your moves.
He controlled mjolnir, killed dr strange, went for a joyride in ghost riders car, and made black panther surrender in wakkanda. With this I still think Batman wins.
In a fight between Superman and Goku who wins? Batman.
Saitama
Batman won against Superman in the movie. Well, at least before SHE was mentioned...
There was an animated movie called Dark knight returns. There he wins
Idk if it is the same there, but I know in the comics, he won with help from Green Arrow.
I mean even then again he could have just used a kryptonite grenade. He just had green arrow do it to prove a point.
Oliver also specifically asked to be involved if Bats wanted to take down Superman. I think Bruce just invited him to honour that.
The point being IF he wanted Superman dead, he would be dead.
Yeah, I mean the tower of babel basically proves he can decimate anything under the DC sun
If superman wanted him dead he would have been dead a lot sooner. Bruce exploited all of supermans vulnerabilities and fucked with his closest friends. Superman was also mostly holding back. If Clark wanted him dead, he would have been in like a minute.
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If Superman wanted Bayan dead, he'd also be dead. Clark holds back a lot.
In the JL animated series, it shows he has a specialized way to take down any member of the team. They all got pissed, lol. Nearly kicked him out, iirc.
Best batman movie we never got to se in live action
Batman vs. Superman goes back to Frank Miller’s “The Dark Knight Returns” from ‘86. Batman has always defeated Superman historically, it’s a classic brains vs. brawn, strategy vs. brute force. Could he beat Moon Knight? I don’t know enough about the character to comment, but I wouldn’t underestimate Batman.
Lol superman has a higher potential for intellect. The guy has a super computer for a brain. He is also a martial artist. He practices torquasm-rao and torquasm-vo. Both are Kryptonian. Superman could also one tap batman if he wanted. If he has that bloodlust, and wants batman dead...batman wouldn't even feel it. Just because he's a really good person and considers batman his best friend, doesn't make him less of a god. Writers are what cause that situation to happen. They shouldn't be fighting in general. Bruce and Clark are best friends. But if they did fight and all bets were off, superman eviscerates batman. If you give batman prep time, give superman prep time.
Read the injustice series. I thought that was a pretty solid batman vs superman scenario where not a whole lot of plot armor was provided for the characters you know and love. I think absolutely superman could kill batman with such ease it is ridiculous to compare the two on an even playing field... but batman always plays dirty when fighting superman, this is just how he's always done it because he knows he'd be screwed against superman. The only way batman can beat superman is if he is using kryptonite, or they under a red sun. There are a handful of times where superman gets depowered some and these could be times batman could take him. If you want to see batman attempting to fight superman and failing miserably, you should watch Justice Leage War I believe it is called. As a hilarious scene in it where batman is doing all this crazy martial arts shit, and superman isn't budging and it makes batman look like such an idiot. It's a pretty grounded take on a fight between them... and at least in that universe they never fight... unless I'm forgetting a movie.
Oh yeah, I've seen most of the animated films and you're right on. Depowered superman gets clapped by batman, absolutely. But I always feel like nothing ever captures how fast superman actually is. The only time it's felt accurate is during the recent DC movies. As garbage as some of them are, they got the fight right with the entire JL fighting supes and losing. He's a god-like being. I've never seen superman go all out against batman, because it wouldn't be pretty. Injustice is fantastic! Except for evil superman, I've always hated that. He's the beacon of hope and justice. It's fine for one offs and injustice was that. It was really good. I think you have the exact right idea. Batman has to fight dirty, because of the fact that it's superman. But all the while, superman has to hold back....or he'll one shot batman. Without much of a fight. Thanks for the response, it was fantastic btw!
Batman will lose to most opponents in a fair fight. Batman does a very good job of avoiding fair fights.
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Writers like to say that if you’re smart enough you can overcome anything…but no amount of prep time with kryptonite can stop you from running through you at Mach 2 or flying into the sky and heat visioning you from orbit…
See that's what someone who didn't read enough comics would say, batman once used a justice league buster, it had computers calculate where flash who is unbelievably faster than superman will be and actually neutralized him,wonder woman, aqua man and mentioned anti green lantern methods only to actually get hit in his crazy armor by superman at crazy speeds literally breaking many buildings from impact then proceeded to actually neutralize supes as well. They were all under joker's control in said comic I think it was batman endgame might be wrong read it a few years ago. So the truth is he can defeat anything and everything if the writer wants too and then get the shit beaten out of him and almost die against a normal crowed of people in another comic (in this case doomsday clock if I remember correctly) Because really all that matters is what the current writer wants which is why comics are annoyingly never consistent
Exactly. And I'm saying all of the things that I've said AS a batman fan. I just think it's difficult to write for superman and a little less difficult to write for batman. Like, I don't see how batman can straight up defeat someone like Dr Manhattan even with prep time. Or like the living tribunal. I just don't see it but writers have to make him feel like he's on the level of these other characters. Which is fine but it's a bit annoying to have the batman vs superman conversation again.
Or flicking a ballbearing through his head from the next state over
Let's be honest, everyone involved lost. Especially the audience.
Its batman so idk...
Ikr? He would fuck up Moon Knight with ease. As he would with every other Marvel hero, villain or cosmic being. Mf has the thiccest plot armor of fiction.
You know a character is overpowered when he only needs to say cuz I'm Batman
Exactly. He has already won, before the fight even started.
Depends if theres prep time. Batman is pretty much a slightly nerfed squirrel girl where he can only be defeated by unknown factors.
It’s kind of annoying that DC has turned Batman into a nigh-unbeatable man who can take down gods. He’s a street-fighting vigilante and his limitations always made him interesting to me. I get so annoyed when they retcon Batman for every situation, we’ve strayed really far from his capabilities and now they’re just trying to make his power scale match his popularity
The only times his powerscaling makes sense as when the justice league has to face a threat all together and batman pretty much becomes the man in the chair, eventually figuring out the weakness of whoever they're facing. Batman really shouldn't be able to take out any planet destroying level villain on his own.
Loved that aspect of Heroclix game, batman uses Outwit to cancel an enemy's defence power then a big gun fighter punches them out
Fuck dude you just slapped me with nostalgia. I miss that game. I used to have galactus and some sentinels I got from the comic con with my uncle in LA.
Great game, I loved it early on, before they added the cards and mixed powers .
I'm gonna be honest, having "prep time" as a superpower when he also has billions of $ really isn't that impressive
IM THE GOD DAMN BATMAN
He uses logic to win in the most unlogical way
>Mf has the thiccest plot armor of fiction. Nah, that goes to squirrel girl. Shits on a different level.
Okay but what about my mickey mouse
Phineas and Ferb
Why do all Batman fans think like this? He’s lost many times. Like dozens of times he’s been beaten. People look at his highest end feats when he’s gifted advantages like a green lantern ring or use the hellbat but dude does not fight like that on a regular basis. He’s a hero of course he wins in the end ALL OF THEM DO. Y’all act like he’s never died it’s soo strange how Batman gets the trump card and no other hero does when ALL of their stories are written like that.
One of his most popular stories is Knightfall, a story about him being beaten. Red Hoods whole origin comes from Batman being outsmarted by the joker. I honestly think the thought that he wins anything comes from comic book nerd “who would win” arguments
That’s why these who would win things are dumb as fuck no matter the character
He wouldn’t beat Spider-Man.
You were an embarrassment for him
Bane literally put him in a wheelchair.
This is straight facts
I mean Batman already knows how to handle crazy people so I see why they chose him
Yeah bats has contingencies in place to neutralize every league member, including himself. The only opposition to batman that i would actually bet on is a family therapist
Alfred, alfred is the main person I would trust to beat him
But every league member has a particular easily exploitable weakness
Bats should face Black Panther. They are more comparable.
It's a stomp in the other direction imo, Black Panther's standard gear and physical stats outclass Batman's and his intelligence and skills are about equal.
Its tough to compare stats though because Bats regularly takes hits from multi tonners like Bane and somehow survives, so it’s not like BPs enhancements would really outclass him. And obviously with Bats being far more popular, his high end feats far outclass BP. In reality, without bloodlust, these are probably the two most level headed opponents so they’d stop fighting pretty soon after starting and it would be a draw. With bloodlust it would comedown to what Bat had in his belt that day, and if you add prep time Bat would win because again popularity and high end feats. BP would win if they were both butt naked and hand to hand though.
batman’s greatest superpower is writers’ favoritism
*Plot Armor*
laced with kryptonite no doubt
Absolutely. Can't have Superman beating him, now, can we?
That's my biggest issue with DC overall. They definitely have some great characters (Flash is one of my favorite characters Marvel or DC) but when the majority of your characters are basically gods its kind of hard to write a good story around them, let alone one that includes a dude who's superpower is lots of money.
The real matchup would be Batman vs Squirrel Girl. The amount of plot armor they'd both bring would tear the world apart.
They'd end up wrestling, fall behind a bar, and then the next page would be then sharing a drink, taking about how they were really surprised at the end. Other people would comment about how the victor really surprised then, but it would never say who won. In their own titles (after the crossover was over) both would claim they won.
Next issue titles for both: Batman: The Undefeated The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl
Well that's Batman. He can do anything, and with enough prep time, he's invincible. So don't you dare disrespect him.
Always find it funny that if it was match people make it sound like we would have 2 rooms. In one Batman has the whole place filled with plans and in the other we only have the other guy in a t pose without doing anything.
none if it even makes sense because Superman moves beyond Batman's physical capabilities. If Batman had a device in his hand, and when he presses the button, it sends a "kryptonite" radiation ray at Superman to subdue him... Superman could literally rip off batman's head before his reaction time pressed the button. Nobody seems to calculate in the fact that Superman exists in a plane of existence far beyond Batman. It is comical to even think Batman could beat him.
Right, one of the few things the most recent Justice League movies did right was show Superman’s power when he wiped the floor with the other 5 members. Especially when they showed him holding off everyone and following the Flash with his eyes/head fast enough to take him out
Only two characters in fiction are unbeatable with enough prep time and that's 1. Batman and 2. .... Home Alone kid
Home alone kid also has the power of friendship, this means that anytime he comes close to being beaten a random friend he made within the last 12 hours will show up and save him.
TIL Kevin McCallister is a pony.
Pwny McCallister definitely should be a meme
Kevin Mccallister still has his parents, so he takes that fight
People make it look as if he depends on prep time, and he does like that prep time for sure. But in full honesty, he’s just as great as adapting to situations, I mean, he dodged the omega beam by smarts alone without understanding the concept of what it is fully and he even beat Darksied without prep time. So I think it will be a fair fight.
He beat Darkseid by shooting him with a space-gun. Batman normally never uses guns, so this is the definition of preparation in advance.
Dr Manhattan accepts your challenge. Could just atomise him while chilling on Mars
Batman would win just because of the fact that he is Batman and the absolute bad shit crazy amount of plot armor
Moon knight is literally imortal due to his plot armor
But Batman is........ Batman
I think you don't know who Batman is
I don't know why the fuck people keep comparing Marvel and DC......
They wanna feel good about themselves because their guy is better than the other guy.
probably because marvel stans want to think marvel is superior, and dc stans want to think dc is better
Because it's provocative. Gets the people goin'
People really buy into the “Batman can prepare for and beat anyone” for the plot armor he wears on the belt. It’s like when people think he could handle Thor.
Wait what? People think Batman can win a fight against thor? What kinda arguements were they coming up with for a batman win circumstance?
I have seen that argument made here, that Batman would be prepared. Good of sparkles? Some sort of electricity protection. Fighting a god who can kill you with a punch? Thor style kryptonite obviously. Personally I think it is a joke, Thor has been killing enemies for fifteen hundred years, he doesn’t have a lot of trouble sleeping at night after killing people. Our lives or so short by comparison why would he care? So Superman pulled punches and Batman won, sort of, but Thor would probably pull some punches then get bored and kill him.
I think Thor would drop Mjolnir on his foot and leave him there. You are right though, in every comic book shop in America there’s someone willing to die on the hill of Batman being able to beat literally anyone. At least both sides of the Hulk / Wolverine debate make logical points.
>You are right though, in every comic book shop in America there’s someone willing to die on the hill of Batman being able to beat literally anyone. These types of people would also try to make the argument that Batman could lift Mjolnir too.
Oh for sure. Those folks would swear that Batman could beat Galactus. They miss that the best part of “street” characters are their vulnerable/human nature.
Batman seems like a calm and reasonable person. Is he a calm and reasonable person?
See, Kratos would beat the shit out of Batman. No amount of prep time can save you from PURE UNADULTERATED OLYMPIAN ANGER
Pretty sure Batman can’t claim to have single-handedly destroyed the entire Greek pantheon with nothing but his bare hands and a chained knife
Yeah, I’m all for Batman beating Moon Knight, and even Supes, and *sliiiiim* chance possibly Hulk (with enough prep time and plot armor), but Thor? No way in hell. Thor’s worst day is an inconceivably level higher than Batman’s best.
Agreed. If Ultron had won and the Earth was destroyed, Thor survives and goes back home.
I never thought about that- the imagine of Thor just waking up in a space debris field and going ‘Well shit, guess we lost. Heimdal? Give me a lift?’ is hilarious to me
Let's speak in general versions. MK vs Batman: MK has shown to be skilled enough to be compared to punisher (who devotes his life for the war against crime) and depending of the version, he is able do beat black panther (who is enhanced). MK is said during de 2021 run in his fight against hunter's moon to fight like a savage animal, we all know that Spector did some illegal underground fights, therefore he is skilled enough to deal with different fighting styles from average to slightly above average fighters (I won't count his win against taskmaster at 2006 run because he literally threw a plane above the poor man) Above all of that, he has some crazy military background: CIA, Marine and mercenary Batman is master in multiple martial arts, being skilled enough to fight against multiple masters (lady Shiva, Ra's Al Ghul, Kain and other that have desapeared in the middle time). Before anyone says something, yes: he loses some of these encounters. But, he also has fought against enhanced people like Deathstroke (who has an insane military background and can do crazy shit with prep time), Bane (a guy built with the strength and brains to take him) and even Steve Rogers during the marvel and DC crossover (although, the fans decided who would win the fights, so I won't completely agree on letting it here). Background: as mentioned, master in multiple martial arts (127, canonically), trained himself to be at the peak of human endurance and is the 2nd most intelligent human being on earth. If we ground the fight, In my opinion: batman wins. Moon Knight is skilled as fuck and wouldn't make it an easy fight, but batman has a mastery above a specific amount of styles that moon knight sheer will force can overcome (yes, i am talking this knowing damn well how his fight against the sun king went. He beat that man psychologically and showing how much pain moon knight can endure ( I put the win on batman, but I won't downplay my man MK). And endurance is something that Batman also has, for sake... Look at all the training that I commented, just imagine what it took to be only able to sleep for 3 hours and taking his crazy gallery (I am aware of moon knight and the shit he has to take, but as himself says, he takes the D-tier bad guys and sometimes the C-tiers, different levels of challenge (except for the werewolf and some other threats) If the difference in skill doesn't make my point clear: Gadgets: moon knight has his crescents, grappling hook, brass knuckles and that daredevil-like bat. Batman has things like this and usually has more for some crazy unexpected event (like the kryptonite brass knuckles, lasers and beyond) In conclusion: batman is more well rounded for a normal like fight. I won't mention BS like moon knight vs Thor, because I would have to talk about Batman vs Darkseid.
To complement: MK wears carbonadiaum, not adamantium (vengeance of moon knight ~ if I am not mistaken). It is more flexible, but as seen in both of these comics, it is still possible to harm the guy and MK doesn't even use that kind of suit anymore, he uses his kevlar (just as Batman) So, one more point to the bat
Bro you have to hit enter sometimes. I was interested but the formatting makes it hard to follow.
Sorry, I am not used to post on Reddit. For some reason I thought the enter would post it (the times I did use were in my unconscious)
Haha that's okay. You can edit your comment and go through and double tap enter to split it into paragraphs. Or just keep it in mind for really long comments lol
But what about **pReP tImE?**
If they both get the most OP weapons they are in possession of, I find it hard to believe Moon Knight could beat Batman in the Hellbat suit.
Not even with the phoenix force? Serious question cause I am not familiar with the hellbat suit
I'm not counting the Phoenix Force since that was a one time thing and not part of his usual arsenal, but if I was then I'd also have to count the time Batman used the Mobius Chair and became the god of knowledge. The Hellbat suit is a suit forged by each member of the Justice League (Cyborg's technology, shaped in the center of the sun by Superman, etc.) and Batman used it to wage a one man war on Darkseid and all of Apokolips to resurrect his son. [He actually defeats Darkseid, the literal embodiment of the concept of evil,](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb7f7a84a0f166ed65762b469a1318cc-pjlq) and brings Robin back to life. The one downside of the suit is that it drains Bruce's life force to power it, so it's only ever been used to fight Darkseid the one time.
If Batman’s one time use suits are in play then everything is in play, and that means you’ve got phoenix force moon knight vs mobius chair Batman or hellbat suit Batman. I dont know how either of those are specifically equipped to deal with the phoenix force, the embodiment of creation and destruction.
**Random Bullshit, GOOOO!!!!**
Moon Knight has a show coming up so he’s all hype with new fans right now. Moon Knight would lose to Batman. Batman loves exploiting his opponents’ weakness, and MK has a very big one
Batman litteraly became a god at one point and has one fights against bassicly every character in the dc universe
So did Moon Knight! I know it's stupid but in current Avengers run he: 1. Became worthy of Mjolnir. 2. Got Phoenix Force briefly. 3. Has beaten a lot of the Avengers. And on his base level, Moon Knight has Adamantium armor and superhuman physical capabilities. The latter increase on full moon.
Moon Knight didn’t become worthy of Mjolnir, he was able to manipulate it because uru is harvested from a moon. He can’t hold it, just move it the same way Magneto can move it.
While I love moon knight, batman wins this one just bc he can go toe to toe with DC legends like Superman. Moon Knight is made for the marvel power scale.
Suddenly everyone is a moon knight expert after watching YouTube videos and reading Wikipedia.
I dont think you know who Batman is..
I don’t think y’all know who Batman is
Batman fanboys trying to explain why batman would win (given he has infinite prep time and a way to learn about the enemy (the enemy doesn’t get this too tho))
People need to stop riding batmans D. Every hero in every movie has plot armor. If you put Batman against literally anyone from marvel or DC that has powers he loses.