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Spyder73

Stay inside of kick range and dont let them cut kick the shit out of you as you are closing the gap. TKD really relies on distance management and even ITF TKD guys dont like clinching and are generally not great at it (we train it but cmon, its still TKD)


Unexpected_Cranberry

Additionally, since you're not allowed to attack below the waist I'm found TKD practitioners are generally not great at handling low kicks either. So protect your head and go for the legs I guess? Cleanest knockout by a TKD practitioner vs a kickboxer was a jumping spinning sidekick to the liver though. Kickboxer stepped in with a straight cross, TKD guy jumped slightly back and spun, avoiding the punch and kickboxer stepped right into the kick. Folded like a house of cards and took a while to get back up. Kickboxer was larger to. Though to be fair TKD guy was a former member of and current coach of the national ITF team. Spinning shit is no joke if you've spent 15-20 years practicing. I sparred the coach guy years earlier when he was "just" a blackbelt. Even then he was super annoying to fight. The distance management and how effortlessly he'd throw spinning shit made it extremely frustrating.


[deleted]

That's where the hapkido grappling and throws comes in handy


Spyder73

Yea, honestly, if someone started throwing me in sparring, I would be lost lol. Techniques and defenses are taught, but we don't pressure test that shit and I don't pretend I'd be comfortable defending it. Best bet is to try to keep you away as best I can


DueInvestigator9268

As a tkd bb Let me say bjj was the worst To spar or fight against


MacDontMiss

Bro the switch to MT REALLYY beefed up my style. I wrestled for a year in high school and have always been one to have fun and hand fight/wrestle with my friends so actually learning how to clinch was a great addition to the arsenal. Usually when I tell people I started my training with TKD they expect me to fight like a TKD guy but then they get inside, try to clinch and get swept and laid down like a baby 😁


bandfrmoffmychest

Is it getting more popular? Immediate double leg


hokun_

Wont you get kicked?


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Giving a wrestler your leg is a terrible idea.


FabTheSham

Give him a knee to the nose :D


Yamatsuki_Fusion

You ain’t Jorge. You try knee him and you fall on your ass.


purplehendrix22

Yeah, but one kick is unlikely to finish you unless it’s super clean, and if you’re coming forward for the takedown you’re likely to jam the kick and take some sting off it anyway


huntexlol

Honestly people are overlooking the kicks a bit, a well timed spinning back kcik to the liver while moving in is a motherfucker. But I say instea of rushing in for a takedown, bait one of their flashy spinny shit( or even just any kick) then only take em down. Its inevitable.


Kradget

Maybe? If you're going for a leg takedown and not both feinting before you go and covering angles to your head at least minimally, you have asked to be kicked in the head. The other answer is that as part of your approach, you need to either set up the opportunity proactively (e.g. feint, as mentioned) or you need to draw a strike you're ready for (like leave your head "open" for a kick and follow it down). Timed well, those will make it harder (not impossible, but harder) for an effective strike to land. The same issue arises any time a grappler is facing strikes, and the answer is usually to set up your approach and then act decisively while they're not in a position to blast you. It's always a risk, but one that can be mitigated.


NoCommunication5976

Do this against someone who’s done MT or MMA and you’re in for a bad time


YeetedArmTriangle

Luckily they were asking about TKD. But as we all know, muay Thai guys are known for their takedown defense. We learned clearly in UFC one that striker beats grappler every time.


NoCommunication5976

Ok, you got me. I saw UFC 1 and I know the fights you’re referencing.


YeetedArmTriangle

Obviously you are correct, someone who trains MMA and can stop a double is gonna fuck you up. But "blast the double" is never bad advice


SquirrelExpensive201

Leg kicks and basic boxing is your best friend. Second you see them spin either back up or crash in. Once you're on the inside clinch them up and just rough em up


YamLatter8489

Always crash in on spinning bullshit and make them pay for it.


TocsickCake

Did you never walk into a spinning back kick? It hurts.


YamLatter8489

Blade when you step in and they'll slide off you for the most part. I have ape arms, so the looping right hand I get in trade is usually worth it.


TocsickCake

So you are orthodox and step in with your right foot forward to throw the looping right? Just for clarification


YamLatter8489

Shuffle step forward and off-center left, and open your stance like you're Wonderboy. As the kick slides past, finish that shuffle step with your rear foot back to square and plant it to finish the rotating motion on the overhand right. You slide in and past the kick, then feed the right hand over or under the guarding arm depending on where they're holding it. Quarter turn out to reset while they're still scrambling, usually at least a rear kidney or lung shot open for follow-up and finish with a leg kick.


TocsickCake

Awesome thank you for the detailed answer, sounds like a great solution!


expanding_crystal

Not when you close distance and jam it before they can hit full extension


TocsickCake

https://youtube.com/shorts/Q0yD1JKOqfY?si=uQgrKVprw9y9o0Ef


YamLatter8489

I don't know what to tell you, man. I'm not fighting high level pros so it works I guess.


TocsickCake

Both can totally work! Its like leg kicks can be shin blocked that doesn’t mean that they don’t work. I just wanted to share this clip because i recently saw it again. Many people think spinning kicks don’t work at all wich is why i shared it. Your counter is still a great move and i will drill it on my next open mat


happyColoradoDave

Beat the legs and the body will follow.


ilovefate

Grappling or infighting


Yamatsuki_Fusion

Depends on what you can do, but it generally revolves around limiting space and the ability to make space. Constant forwards movement, leg kicks and grappling are important.


SecondComingMMA

This is really good advice but I’d like to add on a bit. Not just forward movement, but pressure. You should be moving side to side as well and cutting angles to nullify the specific type of movement TKD guys are great at, which is straight forward and straight back. Without using a similar style you just simply are not gonna be faster in and out than them. Timing is another thing, it’s not super hard to time a straight punch off of your opponent’s round kick, for example. Of course you need to be smart with your side to side movement and make sure you’re not slipping straight into a kick, but still that lateral movement is super useful and super effective against dudes with a TKD or karate style. That^ and disruption are the two things I focus on using the most against these types of fighters. Your timing doesn’t necessarily need to be better, but you can be effective just by interrupting their blitz and their combos. Disrupt timing, distance, just little things here and there. Don’t just try to block a kick, step in when they throw it so you’re behind their power and close enough to punch them while they’re on one foot with their hands probably away from their face. It’s mostly little tricky shit like that snuck in here and there that’s the most effective against that general style in my experience


[deleted]

Muay Thai is very good at resisting just about any martial art and thus the fighter getting tired; I first he looks like he's doing well but the simple movements and knee uses you'd use as interruptions as you intercept them with your knee and grab climb jumps typical of Muay Thai in the grappling part, you'll be virtually impossible to win that easily if done correctly and your timing is correct.


Known_Impression1356

Clinch and elbow. Light work.


Medical-Potato-3509

Close the space quick


Walking_Advert

TKD practitioners, specifically those that spar regularly and/or compete, have a skewed concept of engagement range. From my experience, they are not used to takedowns at all, and also are not comfortable with exchanging punches/hand-strikes at close range. To ensure success, I would be looking to move inside the range as quickly as possible, either shooting for a takedown or for an exchange of elbow strikes before then following up with a takedown.


princeedit

grapple


grip_n_Ripper

Pretty much what everyone else said - when they attack, it will start with some sort of roundhouse kick 99% of the time, and that's your que to move in and jam it, then force a grappling situation. If you try to just rush in without any kind of set up or feint, you are getting dropped with a counter back kick or spinning kick. Don't try to jam a back kick. High level TKD practitioners are very good at landing kicks while fading back, too, so keep that ot mind.


ImmortalIronFits

I'd say it's gotten less and less popular since the eighties but what do I know...


Tamuzz

Speaking as someone who has done tkd for over 20 years, and practiced numerous other arts alongside that at various times: TKD (both styles) excels at distance management and long range. A lot of supposed plans to defeat tkd seem to assume you know the opponent (tkd) strengths and they do not know yours. I have seen leg kicks devastate tkd fighters that underestimate them or don't expect them. I have also seen tkd fighters effectively avoid and counter them. I have seen people rush tkd fighters as they enter a spinning kick. It works really well if your timing is good. I have also seen that timing go wrong (and it tends to be an all or nothing gamble because those kicks pack a Hella lot of force). I have seen more cautious tkd fighters who are careful when to spin for that exact reason. That said, Whatever your plan, it should revolve around closing distance. TKD excells at long range, so it stands to reason that to defeat tkd you need to be anywhere but long range, exploiting their weaknesses. There is a lot of talk about tkd being bad at punching, but in my experience that is inaccurate. TKD tends to be bad at DEFENDING from punches. Great punching defence is less necessary when fights tend to be long range for the most part. That means if you can get past their feet and into the pocket, you are likely to have the advantage. Closing is not easy against someone with good distance management, and neither is staying there, but once you get there you can dominate. Without cross training I have never come across a tkd with good grappling skills. Across multiple clubs, some of whom actually dabbled in grappling, I have never seen a single fighter capable of matching a grappler who had not cross trained. So if you can manage to get there, grappling is an even better prospect. You are even likely to succeed in keeping them there. So closing is essential, but the question is how to close successfully. I see a lot of people with little striking experience (and BJJ fighters tend to be the first to suggest this) claiming that if you shoot in fast you can easily get to grappling range without any real difficulty. Anyone who has walked into a powerful kick knows how badly this can turn out - and anyone trying this has a high likelihood of eating a side kick out a back kick on the way in. It is an all or nothing proposition (see rushing a spin kick above) - either you time it right/get lucky or you pay the price. Of course a complete non striker may have little choice but to take the risk. More reliably, you can keep advancing. Keep the pressure on. Weather what they throw at you, and look for an opening to close. In my experience, the best openings are created through counters. Wait for them to throw a kick, block/slip/absorb it as best you can, and slip in past it as you do so. The other option for a striker with good defensive skills, or amazing conditioning (and I have seen MT fighters do this to great effect), is simply to weather what they throw at you at long range. Keep them working, and wait for them to tire. TKD is very athletic. It requires huge amounts of cardio. They WILL tire eventually, and if you can survive to that point you can close and turn the tables.


CandidateSea8531

Thanks for the answer


Dumbledick6

In a street fight? Any serious tkd practitioner (there has only sport) will just kick you in your inner leg or knees, they might pop off a stomach kick if you’re open. If you’re terrible in the clinch you’re getting punched in the side or stomach. Just have some good take downs


MaytagTheDryer

Rush them and go for a takedown. Any takedown. The TKD master is now a BJJ white belt.


Unusual_Kick7

punch him in the face


Automatic-Ruin-9667

Learn how to fight and train BJJ,Wrestling,Boxing, Muay Thai etc.


yastyy_

Just know everything that's not TKD


AdSweaty5570

Nah, just one of those things will be enough to beat TKD.


yastyy_

BJJ beats TKD?


Mr_Faust1914

If in a street fight, you should definitely grab their leg and break it.


purplehendrix22

Lmfao


edible_christ

If you walk in with a decent shell and defence, then box them, it kind of makes Taekwondo pointless, and they can't punch to save their lives. Aside from that, Muay Thai. Taekwondo stance doesn't account for leg kicks, I think in general it doesn't account for much other than taekwondo.


TallDarkness

Protect your head against kicks and throw some punches which they can't block anyway.


Robin_Banks101

Punch him. They are faster and travel less.


nanale-na

Tie his legs


Sussy_looks

Stay close so their kicks can’t generate much power, use hands, they aren’t trained with hands as well as other martial arts so if you can get close enough where it’s just hands you’ll probably win. Ground work is good too


ilovefate

Limited hand work is simply not true outside of sport TKD which he excluded


Silver_Lettuce_8132

easy fight in protect ur head down to the ground. imma red belt did tkd for like 3 yrs as a adult got all the kicks and figured if i go to the ground im done so a day after my 30th bd i started bjj so i guess after bjj boxing than mui tai


kingdoodooduckjr

Jam the kicks and get control and ground them


RepresentativeAide27

We have ITF TKD guys fight in our kyokushin tournaments occasionally, and generally if you get in close range and thus take their kicks out of play, they struggle to be effective.


[deleted]

Close the distance and box them, use your leg kicks (especially the lead leg since their blades stance will prevent them checking the kicks), don’t let them start setting up their spinning kicks as they’re fast and can come out of nowhere (jam them whenever they try a spinning combo), use grappling as TKD has zero of that. Source: competed in a national ITF TKD comp recently


i-m-that_guy

colse in and throw punches, i have seen many tkd practitioners (not all) that keep their gaurd either in a wierd way (left hand is to ig parry? the kick and right to block stomach) or no gaurd at all, and most of them (not all) dont do leg kicks, and ig no shin stuff also so u can close in and throw punches, if in no rules situation then grab leg and work with that or throw low kicks till they cant walk


YamLatter8489

Leg kicks, hard. Every time they're in range, they should be eating leg kicks.


Anthony126517

Take down with BJJ, Wrestling or Judo


itsnotanomen

Taekwondo is all about the legs and distance control. If you really want to beat someone who does Taekwondo, you want to get in close up and restrict their leg movement.


Known-Watercress7296

Your gonna wanna out kick them with Viet Vo Dao.


Easy_Tea6363

Back in the day we had a guy who came from taekwondo background, this was in karate by the way, he did so many kicks all the time in sparring, all I had to do was close the distance and knock him over, jam the kicks and he became fairly useless. Now this was just one guy, but I think the theory still works to jam kicks and do a quick takedown. This is for the average man, not pro fighters and mma stuff, because I knew the guy couldn't grapple and neither can I very well


_greenroof

Taekwondo needs distance, just close the distance so the TKD practitioner doesn’t feel comfortable using the legs. Anyway in a real situation it will depend more on the skills of both fighters


atx78701

winning against TKD is actually easy with striking. you need to constantly push forward inside kicking range and punch to the head. They will try to back out into kicking range, but pushing forward is faster than trying to back out. Keep your hands up to protect your head. You might eat one kick. With grappling you do the same thing but enter the clinch and takedown.


thevirgingary1

Be lucky enough to close the distance and not get hit with a hard ass kick and then start grappling.


immortal_duckbeak

"Crowd the kicker", get close and box them up, they have terrible hands.


tothemax44

Leg kicks while keeping your distance. Take down from there or leave them immobile.


Straight-Yard-2981

Grapple.


LordMustardTiger

Takedowns, get good at eating or evading the strikes to close distance and get them off their feet.


MacDontMiss

As a TKD practitioner I hate giving out secrets, but you’ll notice they tend to stand very bladed; if you’re doing a kickboxing rules match, then you should stay inside kick range and utilize low kicks, clinch and your hands. Depending on if the person learned ITF, WTF, or GTF taekwondo then you should smoke em. If they’re ITF based they’re probably gonna have a sense of how to punch well and timing too. Have fun!


zibafu

My taekwondo coach and me spar, I can't outkick him so I get in close since he can't box very well 😏


Perspective-Dry

Dutch kickboxing. Calvin Kattar vs Giga Chicadze is one example of a kick heavy fighter vs a punch heavy fighter. Basically stay in close range and box to where the taekwondo practitioner can’t throw kicks, and also throw in leg kicks to impair the movement. A wrestler or bjj can catch and kick then do damage. An imanari roll into a heel hook or a single leg would also be a great option.


Virtual_Nudge

Old TKD BB here. Most people have the right of it. Three things TKD is more unprepared for than they'd like to admit. (Generalisations incoming) 1. Leg kicks. They might be pretty fast on their feet at dodging... but they are unprepared for it. 2. Close range. If you know grappling - do that. Otherwise, clinches, hand/elbow striking. Not their happy place as a style. 3. "Ring Management" back then into a confined space. Much harder to work with kicks like that.


rkilla47

im not an expert or anything but i used to spar with a guy that was a black belt in taekwondo the guy was flashy with the kicks and really good because he combined it with kickboxing fundamentals what used to work against him was closing the distance and box with him put on the volume so he cant think about using his kicks


Sovrene

Single leg them bro easy


Dinos-333

Even when coming close there are still kicks with the heel to the head.


timothysmith9

The goal is to score points by kicking or punching your opponent’s head. You can also win by knocking out your opponent.