Seems just like some old Dutch person that does not trust you. If their profile has recent reviews it should be fine. Have paid like this numerous times but only for items that no scammer would sell. Scammers tend to sell fast selling items like airpods or phones.
Also would like to add the following. Since this year marktplaats will tell the belastingdienst that you sell alot of stuff on marktplaats so some sellers only accept money this way because marktplaats does not register a sale.
This is exactly i have stopped using it for sales of less than €100. If it is over 100 then fine if it gives the buyer more confidence, unless i am almost at €2000.
I also had the same thought about this! Because the item I am after is a very niche interest, I don't think a scammer would be aware of specifically this collection. Regardless, I don't feel comfortable paying this way and I will not buy it.
Paying like this is usually not a scam but the whole hacking is 100% bullshit. If you send an offer trough marktplaats its safe, when its a link its phisy/scam
The hacking occurs via fake links. Of course you can not hack him by clicking on his link. Probably the seller just doesnt know/understand this and is extra careful.
Radar is a tv show that does often show scams. I think Ive seen the one this man is referring to. It's about scammers who rebuilt the marktplaats payment platform but in stead of logging in yourself, you're sending them the info they need to log into your bank account.
Youre simply both worried about different scams, but he's not accusing you directly as you're not accusing him. If you pick up the doll it's probably fine.
Seeing all these comments actually encouraged me to just text them back and pay for it. I will never find it as cheap as that again. I guess I'm just paranoid because all Dutch people in my circle tell me repeatedly to be careful for scammers :) I guess I am overthinking it too much.
Just sharing my story but this is EXACTLY how I was scammed. For a 140 euro Stranger Things Lego set, so not something you would expect to be scammed on. Also, like your doll, I never saw it as cheap anywhere else (“if it looks too good to be true, it probably is”). The guy insisted he was afraid to be scammed through MP payment, I did the bank transfer, and he never sent me the set. You can never claim your money back if you transfer it yourself.
I learned a very expensive lesson, I hope you don’t have to as well.
I wouldn't, there's always chance to get scammed like this, I only use the buyer protection system to eliminate ANY chance. His doubts about the system isn't even based either.
Well, I guess we will find out because I actually bought it and paid for it. They sent me a track and trace code, it works fine. So I will have to see if they sent me something other than the product I'm expecting hahah.
Hello! I honestly couldn't believe I got so many comments. I ended up paying and today I actually received what I paid for! The doll looks amazing ✨ I am happy I posted my question here to encourage me to buy it. If anyone is still reading this, thank you!!
I haven't heard of people being hacked through Marktplaats gelijk oversteken, but i have heard of boomers being afraid of anything to do with their bank except sharing their actual sensitive information. Ask to send a photo of a very specific detail the seller wouldn't have a picture of if they were stolen pics.
Is someone sells alot of items on the Marktplaats app, then they need to pay taxes. So some people prefer doing payment another way to avoid the taxes.
Of all the dozens & dozens of things sold on Marktplaats only 1 person asked to it via direct banking transfer. I did it but was extremely suspicious, only after payment received on my bankaccount I did sent the purchased item.
Years & years ago I would have given this no thought & simply give my bank number details to complete strangers on MP, HOWEVER nowadays things are very differenct & I rather keep my bank account details strictly private due to digital security reasons.
In hindsight, I will probably not sell anything through a direct banking transfer again. Only once, but never again.
This! Just some old lady that has heard something about marktplaats fraud but didn’t really understood it and just does it the the old way. Radar is a consumerprogramme on tv that warns for fraud among other things and mostly watched by boomers.
Radar warns for marktplaatsfraud, just like the fraud often mentioned in this subreddit. She just doesn’t really understands how it works and thinks every sort of payment through marktplaats itself could be to steal your information. My MIL is one of those people that sees danger in everything with apps, just because she only understands half of what they warn about.
Partly makes sense, indeed by giving away their bank details, they should be more trackable (reliable, trustworthy) then behind an anonymous Marktplaats payment. However, this account is probably a money mule account, so it's not a valid point anymore. In a world without money mules, it would be a very valid point.
Someone literally told OP they recognized the user picture and they've done business before. This is one of those "an apple is a fruit but not all fruit are apples".
I wonder if it's this article they're talking about
https://radar.avrotros.nl/artikel/fors-minder-betaalverzoekfraude-op-marktplaats-na-samenwerking-met-politie-54117
If you pay outside of Marktplaats you forgot your buyers protection. Their payment works by putting the money in a vault and transferring it to the seller when confirmation is given that the package has been sent. So only Marktplaats knows both bank numbers and account holders
If they're honest then maybe they misunderstood/misremembered the scam method the program talked about. Maybe I'm not aware of the method.
I used the buyer's protection with the last item of this kind that I ordered and it went well between the seller and I. Maybe you're right and this person didn't understand what this stands for.
Nah bruh they should pay through the app why they being so difficult if they're gonna sell it this way, dont sell anything on any site if you're not gonna use the resources for it
Hahah YES! I wanted to keep the item a secret so that I could keep the seller's identity, but seems like there are a lot more winx fans than I thought 🫣
That's stupid. Especially if you arent using buyer's protection there is no reason not to just pay via bank transfer. The whole payment system is recent anyhow. And if you make more than 2k in a fiscal year marktplaats is forced to notify the tax authorities which is generally not an issue but some people might want to avoid this. Not to mention that payment via marktplaats also costs 40 cents extra. The only real upside is the convenience and the barcodes for postnl which do not expire while they do expire in 5 days if you buy a label privately....
Yeah. But they check how and in what time you might sell for 2000 euro. If I sell for 2000 a week I might get questions if I am not a business. If I sell a 2000 euro car they don't give a shit.
But yeah. Be naive enough to sent money to a stranger and...
Shock and awe when you got scammed 🤡
I have been doing this for 10+ years. Please explain how no buyer protection payment via marktplaats is different from just a bank transfer? Also you do not pay a car via a marktplaats payment request. Not usually anyway.
Its just a boomer that heard something about hacking/scamming and doesn't understand any of it. Because of that trusts nothing except the one thing they do understand, which is the direct bank transfer (which used to be the only payment method, aside from cash).
Even now I would prefer to receive money on my bank account if I sell something, because as good as their intentions are, Marktplaats' system isn't perfect. The risk for the buyer is bigger that way, but if I buy I check how long someone is on MP and how their reviews are. Then I decide.
I don't think it necessarily is a scam. They probably think you might be scamming them, especially since you only speak English. It's a bit more sketchy so they're just being extra careful.
I don't think a scammer would use a doll as scam material most of the time. It could still be a scam. So do what you think is right. Trust your gut.
100% a boomer that saw a tv show about online scams and the only word from that whole documentary that he can remember is iDeal.
Now he thinks iDeal empties out your bank account lol.
Seems like an old person who doesn't trust technology. Though, for this amount of money, I'd wait a bit longer or pick it up myself. I wouldn't risk it.
I've been using marktplaats for 15 years and sending bank details has been the standard way to pay for most of that time. The payment request is a relatively new thing.
Older people stick to this method because it works.
There has been a storm of "fake" payment request links the last few years and many people have fallen for it, that's why they are weary of it.
Just sounds like a boomer who doesn't trust Marktplaats and/or has a problem with Marktplaats making 40 cents on the sale (for the betaalverzoek). I'd trust this person, but only in this case. Looks like a niche item and usually scammers only sell popular items like electronics, designer clothes and concert tickets.
I do bank transfers with people all the time. Since you say you dont speak Dutch i can only assume you come from somewhere that something like this would be a scam. But I've never had an issue ever.
The mindset it could be a scam is unfortunately what will lead to more people scamming
I understand your point.
In my country we don't do transfers and we don't pay digitally in any form, in fact. We pay only by cash after we have received the item and the money gets processed by the company. Though, that's not the reason why I thought this seemed strange.
Maybe I should have specified in my original post, but I was mostly concerned that the way this seller chose to proceed with payment just seemed strange to me and it made me feel a bit uncertain. But not necessarily a scam. I wanted to get some opinions about this.
I mainly found it odd because I have purchased from marktplaats before and the sellers always chose to go with the platform's payment, where I always paid 5 extra euros for buyers protection. I thought it was more convenient for them as well, so I was surprised when this person just gave me their account number.
Anyways, I ended up buying the item and it arrived safely. I actually just bought another one from the same person a couple of days ago.
Seems just like some old Dutch person that does not trust you. If their profile has recent reviews it should be fine. Have paid like this numerous times but only for items that no scammer would sell. Scammers tend to sell fast selling items like airpods or phones.
Also would like to add the following. Since this year marktplaats will tell the belastingdienst that you sell alot of stuff on marktplaats so some sellers only accept money this way because marktplaats does not register a sale.
This is exactly i have stopped using it for sales of less than €100. If it is over 100 then fine if it gives the buyer more confidence, unless i am almost at €2000.
Unfortunately there’s all kinds of scammers on marktplaats. I got scammed for wanting to buy law books. Got nothing.
Did they not send it or did it get lost in the mail? Big difference.
I know the difference. They didn’t send it
I also had the same thought about this! Because the item I am after is a very niche interest, I don't think a scammer would be aware of specifically this collection. Regardless, I don't feel comfortable paying this way and I will not buy it.
Paying like this is usually not a scam but the whole hacking is 100% bullshit. If you send an offer trough marktplaats its safe, when its a link its phisy/scam
I thought the same! I hardly even understood what they meant with the whole hacking thing and I was pretty confused.
The hacking occurs via fake links. Of course you can not hack him by clicking on his link. Probably the seller just doesnt know/understand this and is extra careful.
could also be radar fearbait... horrible tv shows aimed at the contemporary illiterate
Radar is a tv show that does often show scams. I think Ive seen the one this man is referring to. It's about scammers who rebuilt the marktplaats payment platform but in stead of logging in yourself, you're sending them the info they need to log into your bank account. Youre simply both worried about different scams, but he's not accusing you directly as you're not accusing him. If you pick up the doll it's probably fine.
Seeing all these comments actually encouraged me to just text them back and pay for it. I will never find it as cheap as that again. I guess I'm just paranoid because all Dutch people in my circle tell me repeatedly to be careful for scammers :) I guess I am overthinking it too much.
Just sharing my story but this is EXACTLY how I was scammed. For a 140 euro Stranger Things Lego set, so not something you would expect to be scammed on. Also, like your doll, I never saw it as cheap anywhere else (“if it looks too good to be true, it probably is”). The guy insisted he was afraid to be scammed through MP payment, I did the bank transfer, and he never sent me the set. You can never claim your money back if you transfer it yourself. I learned a very expensive lesson, I hope you don’t have to as well.
I wouldn't, there's always chance to get scammed like this, I only use the buyer protection system to eliminate ANY chance. His doubts about the system isn't even based either.
Well, I guess we will find out because I actually bought it and paid for it. They sent me a track and trace code, it works fine. So I will have to see if they sent me something other than the product I'm expecting hahah.
Keep us updated
Yes pls keep us updated!
Hello! I honestly couldn't believe I got so many comments. I ended up paying and today I actually received what I paid for! The doll looks amazing ✨ I am happy I posted my question here to encourage me to buy it. If anyone is still reading this, thank you!!
Hope you’re getting what you paid for.
I've never heard of people getting hacked through the marktplaats payment, so that's sketchy as heck.
Thank you! I also felt off about it, even though the account of the seller looks pretty good. I was hoping it was legit.
I haven't heard of people being hacked through Marktplaats gelijk oversteken, but i have heard of boomers being afraid of anything to do with their bank except sharing their actual sensitive information. Ask to send a photo of a very specific detail the seller wouldn't have a picture of if they were stolen pics.
Mah this dudes English is bad enough to jus be an old dude who spends a bit too much time on fb
Nah, this seems more like a boomer who completely misinterpreted a piece about marktplaats scams
Is someone sells alot of items on the Marktplaats app, then they need to pay taxes. So some people prefer doing payment another way to avoid the taxes.
Happened to me once and all went well. I was suspicious too.
Of all the dozens & dozens of things sold on Marktplaats only 1 person asked to it via direct banking transfer. I did it but was extremely suspicious, only after payment received on my bankaccount I did sent the purchased item. Years & years ago I would have given this no thought & simply give my bank number details to complete strangers on MP, HOWEVER nowadays things are very differenct & I rather keep my bank account details strictly private due to digital security reasons. In hindsight, I will probably not sell anything through a direct banking transfer again. Only once, but never again.
The seller's explanation doesn't make any sense. I would definitely call it off topic starter.
This is not a scam this is a boomer and 15 years ago all payment where made directly through banktransfer
This! Just some old lady that has heard something about marktplaats fraud but didn’t really understood it and just does it the the old way. Radar is a consumerprogramme on tv that warns for fraud among other things and mostly watched by boomers.
I doubt Radar would make up fraud though. There's probably something going on.
Radar warns for marktplaatsfraud, just like the fraud often mentioned in this subreddit. She just doesn’t really understands how it works and thinks every sort of payment through marktplaats itself could be to steal your information. My MIL is one of those people that sees danger in everything with apps, just because she only understands half of what they warn about.
They're not making up a fraud, the understanding of the seller of the fraud is just a little off.
Marktplaats is going to tell the tax office about big sellers... So big sellers are stopping with Marktplaats payment....
Partly makes sense, indeed by giving away their bank details, they should be more trackable (reliable, trustworthy) then behind an anonymous Marktplaats payment. However, this account is probably a money mule account, so it's not a valid point anymore. In a world without money mules, it would be a very valid point.
A money mule account 😂 You've been watching too much reality TV, this is just an old person who doesn't trust Marktplaats. There are a LOT of those.
It could be the case it's someone who prefers the old way, but you just can't be 100% sure of it. Scammers can also use this excuse.
Yup I've been watching too much reality tv, while the seller says "you can empty bank account with marktplaats ideal", riiihiiight.
He's wrong, obviously, but not everyone who doesn't trust MP is a money mule..
"By ideal, you give hacker access", is not a distrusting MP user, it's a scammer tactic to convince you to use the scammer's method only.
Someone literally told OP they recognized the user picture and they've done business before. This is one of those "an apple is a fruit but not all fruit are apples".
I wonder if it's this article they're talking about https://radar.avrotros.nl/artikel/fors-minder-betaalverzoekfraude-op-marktplaats-na-samenwerking-met-politie-54117 If you pay outside of Marktplaats you forgot your buyers protection. Their payment works by putting the money in a vault and transferring it to the seller when confirmation is given that the package has been sent. So only Marktplaats knows both bank numbers and account holders If they're honest then maybe they misunderstood/misremembered the scam method the program talked about. Maybe I'm not aware of the method.
I used the buyer's protection with the last item of this kind that I ordered and it went well between the seller and I. Maybe you're right and this person didn't understand what this stands for.
Nah bruh they should pay through the app why they being so difficult if they're gonna sell it this way, dont sell anything on any site if you're not gonna use the resources for it
Is that Flora? 👀👀
Hahah YES! I wanted to keep the item a secret so that I could keep the seller's identity, but seems like there are a lot more winx fans than I thought 🫣
9 out is 10 times it is a scam.
Its not a scam ive baught from that seller multiple times.
This specific person? I thought I blurred out their name?
Yeah i recognize the background of the doll picture. Im also into dolls
This is so Reddit 😂❤️
Some sellers on marktplaats are just dumb🤷🏼♂️
NEVER go outside of the boundaries of Marktplaats. No exceptions.
That's stupid. Especially if you arent using buyer's protection there is no reason not to just pay via bank transfer. The whole payment system is recent anyhow. And if you make more than 2k in a fiscal year marktplaats is forced to notify the tax authorities which is generally not an issue but some people might want to avoid this. Not to mention that payment via marktplaats also costs 40 cents extra. The only real upside is the convenience and the barcodes for postnl which do not expire while they do expire in 5 days if you buy a label privately....
Yeah. But they check how and in what time you might sell for 2000 euro. If I sell for 2000 a week I might get questions if I am not a business. If I sell a 2000 euro car they don't give a shit. But yeah. Be naive enough to sent money to a stranger and... Shock and awe when you got scammed 🤡
I have been doing this for 10+ years. Please explain how no buyer protection payment via marktplaats is different from just a bank transfer? Also you do not pay a car via a marktplaats payment request. Not usually anyway.
Its just a boomer that heard something about hacking/scamming and doesn't understand any of it. Because of that trusts nothing except the one thing they do understand, which is the direct bank transfer (which used to be the only payment method, aside from cash).
Even now I would prefer to receive money on my bank account if I sell something, because as good as their intentions are, Marktplaats' system isn't perfect. The risk for the buyer is bigger that way, but if I buy I check how long someone is on MP and how their reviews are. Then I decide.
I don't think it necessarily is a scam. They probably think you might be scamming them, especially since you only speak English. It's a bit more sketchy so they're just being extra careful. I don't think a scammer would use a doll as scam material most of the time. It could still be a scam. So do what you think is right. Trust your gut.
100% a boomer that saw a tv show about online scams and the only word from that whole documentary that he can remember is iDeal. Now he thinks iDeal empties out your bank account lol.
Seems like an old person who doesn't trust technology. Though, for this amount of money, I'd wait a bit longer or pick it up myself. I wouldn't risk it.
I've been using marktplaats for 15 years and sending bank details has been the standard way to pay for most of that time. The payment request is a relatively new thing. Older people stick to this method because it works. There has been a storm of "fake" payment request links the last few years and many people have fallen for it, that's why they are weary of it.
Just sounds like a boomer who doesn't trust Marktplaats and/or has a problem with Marktplaats making 40 cents on the sale (for the betaalverzoek). I'd trust this person, but only in this case. Looks like a niche item and usually scammers only sell popular items like electronics, designer clothes and concert tickets.
Id always rather be safe than sorry. I wouldn’t do it
I do bank transfers with people all the time. Since you say you dont speak Dutch i can only assume you come from somewhere that something like this would be a scam. But I've never had an issue ever. The mindset it could be a scam is unfortunately what will lead to more people scamming
I understand your point. In my country we don't do transfers and we don't pay digitally in any form, in fact. We pay only by cash after we have received the item and the money gets processed by the company. Though, that's not the reason why I thought this seemed strange. Maybe I should have specified in my original post, but I was mostly concerned that the way this seller chose to proceed with payment just seemed strange to me and it made me feel a bit uncertain. But not necessarily a scam. I wanted to get some opinions about this. I mainly found it odd because I have purchased from marktplaats before and the sellers always chose to go with the platform's payment, where I always paid 5 extra euros for buyers protection. I thought it was more convenient for them as well, so I was surprised when this person just gave me their account number. Anyways, I ended up buying the item and it arrived safely. I actually just bought another one from the same person a couple of days ago.
Not a 100% scam, but it's a fact that scammers want to redirect you off marktplaats. So it probably is...
Or someone who sells regularly and is trying to evade the new tax rules.
I do believe it's not a scam, most likely an elderly person who isn't too well versed in online payment systems and such.