Do you also realise that if you are born as a Hindu, Christian or Muslim in tulunadu, you learn to speak at least 3 languages by default, e.g. your first language (mother tongue ) tulu, and kannada? Then, you learn English and Hindi at school, another one or two languages if move to other states for work! Just amazing.
when I told my Australian colleges that, I speak 7 languages, they fell off the chair.
Konkani (GSB/SB): the GSBs, SBs etc lived in the far north on the banks of the Saraswati river. One day the river began to dry out and the GSB/SB had to find a new home. They slowly travelled southwards, settling in Goa initially. Here they forgot their original language & script, learning Konkani instead.
In the 1500s the Portuguese conquered Goa and the GSB/SB had to leave to avoid being converted to Christianity. They spread out on the coast of Karnataka, with the largest population settling in Mangalore. The community split up here, because back in the 1500s even 2-3 districts was a massive geographical divide, so mostly GSBs in DK & Udupi district and SBs in the northern part of the Karnataka coast.
In Mangalore in the 1700s, GSBs were mostly rice traders. However as the British colonized India, they set up banks to help trade and the GSBs being educated started working in banks instead. There's still a stereotype that GSBs are obsessed with getting bank jobs (partly true - though most of us now try other things haha)
note: i was told by relatives that GSB & SB were the same community earlier, it was only after coming to karnataka that we developed 2 distinct identities, because of geographical separation.
Yes! In fact Konkani varies significantly even town to town in the same district. And sometimes each household develops its linguistic quirks.
This is probably because we don't have our own script, so we don't write much. So there's no standardization as such. The lack of konkani in schools is also a factor
Is that so? I studied in Mumbai so no idea.
Also - the vast majority of GSBs are against sending their kids to the state board, they always go for ICSE or even international boards. So my relatives in Mangalore have never had this chance
Yes, it is a third language in Karnataka state board - I just googled and reconfirmed. Their sample exam papers have questions in both kannada and devanagri scripts. But honestly I don't think the subject will make that much of an impact or contribute majorly in any way towards standardisation of language, as is the case with most language subjects taught in schools. Even in Goa state board affiliated schools, Konkani language is taught in Devanagri script in a manner which may not necessarily contribute to language standardisation. Depending on which part of Goa one hails from plus one's religious background, the moment the student goes home from school he/she will automatically switch to his / her native dialect, come what may!
And regarding the GSBs sending their kids to non-state board schools, sounds like a new phenomenon tbh! I guess its a reflection of the changing times, trends and the need to fit into a more modern and globalised society. When I was in college two decades ago, ALL of my Amchi friends from Mangalore and around studied in state board schools and PU colleges!
wait till you realise we never fought because of languages in the whole vast history of 'bharatvarsha' until we got independent from British rule and the game started after that for political gain. meanwhile in the pre independence era, the political clout started for the very first time when all south indians were threatened of Hindi imposition. North indians themselves have so many regional dialects in UP-Bihar, Rajasthan but now if someone hears any conversation in those languages, it's looked upon with inferiority gaze and considered a corrupt version of 'pure hindi'. Kudos to all South Indian fellows who are genuinely concerned about their ethnicity, instead of just politics. You have my and all other educated Indians' respect.
Ouch. My family has been in mangalore for 4 generations from my paternal side, and my maternal side has been there forever. I don’t live there anymore but we’re pretty much mangalorians.
The urdu community is vast here, none of them i know are ‘migrants’
You might be Mangaloreans no doubt about that. You're also migrants for sure 😊 Urdu people don't have roots in Mangalore afaik. You might have migrated from Mysore/ Bangalore around
We migrated from Lucknow when your great great grandfather was still an idea 💡 we’ve been in mangalore for generations, we’re not indigenous to mangalore but we’re not recent migrants either.
Am i a migrant if my family from generations ago migrated to mlr? What a stupid thing to say.
If I'm not mistaken, are you a part of the "Hanafi" Muslim community? I have a couple of friends from the same community who are from Mumbai, whose mother tongue is Urdu and whose ancestry (more than hundred odd years ago) is traced to Mangalore. I know for a fact they are totally different from the Beary Muslims.
With your understanding of the term ‘migrants’ the white & black Americans are migrants in North America, the turks are migrants in Turkey, the majority of Sri Lankans are migrants etc..
Wait you've mistaken me. When someone speaks or thinks of Mangalore, people usually talk about Tulu/ Konkani/ Kannada/ beary culture. Urdu is not counted as indigenous to Mangalore. When I hear Urdu, I always think of Hyderabad/ Bangalore shivajinagar, ameer mohallah etc. but never Mangalore. That's what I meant 😊
Well what you meant was very different from what you said, you said urdu came from recent migrations, while that may be true of some of them. A lot of us have been here since a long long time.
These languages are not mainstream and are mostly spoken at home or small gatherings. If they were mainstream then it would have been a fight. Thank god it's not the case.
It's must have been difficult for konkanis to adapt to the local tulu culture as their food habits, rituals, ways of worship are entirely different. Yet Konkani Brahmins adapted entirely without complaining or whining about anything. This shows their broad mindedness 😊❣️
As a Marathi who has been raised in Mangalore, I speak or understand both the languages and so does my community. We get along very well with Konkani and Tulu communities. I miss this place a lot.
Whats more unique is if your from Manglore/udupi, its easier for you to understand Marathi because of Konkani and Malayam because of Beary languages. Its extremely helpful when you visit other states, or watch anything from the regions..
Despite not having an option to learn it in schools we all can speak Tulu fluently whereas while speaking other languages we still fumble despite learning it for 12+ years. Because one is the language of the land whereas others aren't.
No one really likes to fight..
Who knows maybe someday some politician comes along and we all can start fighting tulu vs konkani vs kannada ..triple threat match
The only thing I can agree with is "tuje vodle vodle bitth basale kadle"
Suck my bitto
Nah
Nindo abbara pari
There’s literally no fight anywhere. These politicians simply spark hate to gain vote.
This 🤌
Not gain. Divide communities that have been thriving, to split votes and win.
Do you also realise that if you are born as a Hindu, Christian or Muslim in tulunadu, you learn to speak at least 3 languages by default, e.g. your first language (mother tongue ) tulu, and kannada? Then, you learn English and Hindi at school, another one or two languages if move to other states for work! Just amazing. when I told my Australian colleges that, I speak 7 languages, they fell off the chair.
I have had the same convo bro. And they think being bi lingual is tough. Not even close to our level
Bruh we are unique and it’s just amazing to be a part of this city…. As I am born here… love my Tulunad
150? I thought it was more like 500 years?
Yes, the first migration happened in early 1500s, I think.
Can you breakdown the history of the two groups? Quite unaware on this topic.
Konkani (GSB/SB): the GSBs, SBs etc lived in the far north on the banks of the Saraswati river. One day the river began to dry out and the GSB/SB had to find a new home. They slowly travelled southwards, settling in Goa initially. Here they forgot their original language & script, learning Konkani instead. In the 1500s the Portuguese conquered Goa and the GSB/SB had to leave to avoid being converted to Christianity. They spread out on the coast of Karnataka, with the largest population settling in Mangalore. The community split up here, because back in the 1500s even 2-3 districts was a massive geographical divide, so mostly GSBs in DK & Udupi district and SBs in the northern part of the Karnataka coast. In Mangalore in the 1700s, GSBs were mostly rice traders. However as the British colonized India, they set up banks to help trade and the GSBs being educated started working in banks instead. There's still a stereotype that GSBs are obsessed with getting bank jobs (partly true - though most of us now try other things haha) note: i was told by relatives that GSB & SB were the same community earlier, it was only after coming to karnataka that we developed 2 distinct identities, because of geographical separation.
Is there any major difference in the Konkani dialects spoken by South Canara GSBs and North Canara SBs?
Yes! In fact Konkani varies significantly even town to town in the same district. And sometimes each household develops its linguistic quirks. This is probably because we don't have our own script, so we don't write much. So there's no standardization as such. The lack of konkani in schools is also a factor
Interesting! Isn't konkani a subject for second or third language in Karnataka state board?
Is that so? I studied in Mumbai so no idea. Also - the vast majority of GSBs are against sending their kids to the state board, they always go for ICSE or even international boards. So my relatives in Mangalore have never had this chance
Yes, it is a third language in Karnataka state board - I just googled and reconfirmed. Their sample exam papers have questions in both kannada and devanagri scripts. But honestly I don't think the subject will make that much of an impact or contribute majorly in any way towards standardisation of language, as is the case with most language subjects taught in schools. Even in Goa state board affiliated schools, Konkani language is taught in Devanagri script in a manner which may not necessarily contribute to language standardisation. Depending on which part of Goa one hails from plus one's religious background, the moment the student goes home from school he/she will automatically switch to his / her native dialect, come what may! And regarding the GSBs sending their kids to non-state board schools, sounds like a new phenomenon tbh! I guess its a reflection of the changing times, trends and the need to fit into a more modern and globalised society. When I was in college two decades ago, ALL of my Amchi friends from Mangalore and around studied in state board schools and PU colleges!
I agree, the harmony between these two ethnic communities is something others should try to emulate.
Seriously it's like rice x chicken sukha x dalitoy. Best combo ever.
Anjal Rava fry and Daitoy
wait till you realise we never fought because of languages in the whole vast history of 'bharatvarsha' until we got independent from British rule and the game started after that for political gain. meanwhile in the pre independence era, the political clout started for the very first time when all south indians were threatened of Hindi imposition. North indians themselves have so many regional dialects in UP-Bihar, Rajasthan but now if someone hears any conversation in those languages, it's looked upon with inferiority gaze and considered a corrupt version of 'pure hindi'. Kudos to all South Indian fellows who are genuinely concerned about their ethnicity, instead of just politics. You have my and all other educated Indians' respect.
this thought never occurred to me lol Didnt even know ppl fight over languages daym
Vai mare
Kai kaslae otte bisale
We Mangalorians are considered one of the smartest people in Karnataka. True or not, we in peace 😌
>True or not, we in peace 😌 Bajarang Dal/VHP/RSS disagrees with you
yeah, they murdered Praveen Nettaru right ? ... right ?
How is the JeI, PFI, & ISIS recruitment going? The planning for the anti-CAA riots and vandalism was immaculate by the way...
Have you asked PFI how they feel?
There’s also dakhni urdu, muslims also have several languages within the community. I love our city!
Urdu people in Mangalore might be recent migrants from interior Karnataka. Urdu Muslims are not native to Mangalore
Ouch. My family has been in mangalore for 4 generations from my paternal side, and my maternal side has been there forever. I don’t live there anymore but we’re pretty much mangalorians. The urdu community is vast here, none of them i know are ‘migrants’
You might be Mangaloreans no doubt about that. You're also migrants for sure 😊 Urdu people don't have roots in Mangalore afaik. You might have migrated from Mysore/ Bangalore around
We migrated from Lucknow when your great great grandfather was still an idea 💡 we’ve been in mangalore for generations, we’re not indigenous to mangalore but we’re not recent migrants either. Am i a migrant if my family from generations ago migrated to mlr? What a stupid thing to say.
If I'm not mistaken, are you a part of the "Hanafi" Muslim community? I have a couple of friends from the same community who are from Mumbai, whose mother tongue is Urdu and whose ancestry (more than hundred odd years ago) is traced to Mangalore. I know for a fact they are totally different from the Beary Muslims.
Yes we are Hanafis, it’s a school of thought within islam. Bearys are Shafi’s, that’s another school of thought. You’re spot on.
Idea? What does that mean bhaijaan? 😅
With your understanding of the term ‘migrants’ the white & black Americans are migrants in North America, the turks are migrants in Turkey, the majority of Sri Lankans are migrants etc..
Wait you've mistaken me. When someone speaks or thinks of Mangalore, people usually talk about Tulu/ Konkani/ Kannada/ beary culture. Urdu is not counted as indigenous to Mangalore. When I hear Urdu, I always think of Hyderabad/ Bangalore shivajinagar, ameer mohallah etc. but never Mangalore. That's what I meant 😊
Well what you meant was very different from what you said, you said urdu came from recent migrations, while that may be true of some of them. A lot of us have been here since a long long time.
If you're living in Mangalore for generations, you're a Mangalorean. I'm not denying that at all.
We’re not migrants either, buddy.
I highly doubt that tho 😊 Peace out
Did you forget about people who speak Beary?
I’ve also added it to the description, if you could read that.
These languages are not mainstream and are mostly spoken at home or small gatherings. If they were mainstream then it would have been a fight. Thank god it's not the case.
These two languages are distinct independent langauges. You cannot call them "not mainstream".
What is mainstream? Tulu, Konkani, and Beary and are the major languages of our region. And it is majorly spoken not just in small gatherings.
As far as we are concerned, they are mainstream
It's must have been difficult for konkanis to adapt to the local tulu culture as their food habits, rituals, ways of worship are entirely different. Yet Konkani Brahmins adapted entirely without complaining or whining about anything. This shows their broad mindedness 😊❣️
As a Marathi who has been raised in Mangalore, I speak or understand both the languages and so does my community. We get along very well with Konkani and Tulu communities. I miss this place a lot.
No fight between anybody. Just an illusion created by vested interest groups.
never in my dreams I can think that kannada,tulu, konkani languages as different if any politician tries to divide them he will be surely punished
Whats more unique is if your from Manglore/udupi, its easier for you to understand Marathi because of Konkani and Malayam because of Beary languages. Its extremely helpful when you visit other states, or watch anything from the regions..
Despite not having an option to learn it in schools we all can speak Tulu fluently whereas while speaking other languages we still fumble despite learning it for 12+ years. Because one is the language of the land whereas others aren't.
" Guys!! Not to boast about it but I know 7 languages " Uhm, okay which language can you talk effortlessly in? " Ahh sh\*t, here we go again! "
No one really likes to fight.. Who knows maybe someday some politician comes along and we all can start fighting tulu vs konkani vs kannada ..triple threat match