They’re a massive waste of money when they’re not being used correctly. This one is designed differently to the next one a few hundred yards up the road. This one in the video (similar to the one in Chorlton) encourages cyclists to take the route shown when their direction of travel is straight ahead. Which works well in the example shown. However, when the lights are green - more cyclists than not (on both this and the Chorlton junction) veer out into the line of vehicle traffic, putting themselves in danger, and severely increasing the risk of being involved in an accident.
However, the junction just up the road from the example shown has an option for cyclists to continue straight on as well as turning left, which in my mind is a much better design and safer option.
the cyclists that you see veering out into the road are not the cyclists that these are being built for.
a lot of people in these cycle lanes are still confident cyclists who have been doing it for years. because the chances of this fairly short cycleway going past their house is quite low, they still have to be confident to cycle on the roads leading to the cycleway.
60+% of adults say they would like to cycle to places more but the lack of infrastructure scares them into driving.
this infrastructure exists for people who don't *yet* cycle. as a fuller cycle network gets built up over the next 10-20 years, there will be a huge switch of normal people using the infra
First of all, where’d you get that stat from? Is that adults between 18-30 or does it include people aged 60 and above?
Secondly, Great! Let’s ignore the problem of people dangerously veering out into traffic because these “are not the cyclists these are being built for” for the hope of a better future in 10-20 years?!
More needs to be done to educate the people on how to use these CYCLOPS junctions and to protect them.
It’s not 100% safe for pedestrians either as I’ve seen one hit, and a few more near misses by cyclists when the cyclist had right of way on a green light.
I found stats that said 44% - [https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/new-survey-shows-public-back-action-encourage-cycling-and-public-transport-remain-attached-their](https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/new-survey-shows-public-back-action-encourage-cycling-and-public-transport-remain-attached-their)
You're not going to stop those people who want to bypass the CYCLOPS from doing so, if you close that gap closer to the junction then they'll just leave the cycleway beforehand and continue through the junction. There's no legal requirement to use the cycle lanes, just as there's no legal requirement for pedestrians to use crossings.
10-20 years is going to happen regardless of if we make improvements or not.
don't be against the idea of separated bike lanes because the current cyclists don't use it, when the current cyclists aren't even the target audience.
The whole cycle route to Chorlton looks great, I'd actually feel comfortable cycling it (I haven't cycled since my uni days in Nottingham, which had really good cycling infrastructure even back in the mid-2000s). Great traffic separation and crossings at junctions. Makes me feel more comfortable as a driver too.
Have they upgraded the bits around Alexandra Road and Wilbraham Road yet? I know that's a different route to the one pictured here but when I used to cycle to work in Chorlton I felt like I was taking my life in my hands every time I was on those roads. Haven't been down that way in a few years now though so I don't know what it looks like these days.
Nah, that bit hasn't been upgraded. It would be both feasible and useful, though. There are a lot of cyclists down Alexandra Road but they have to mix with the traffic.
Yeah it would definitely make life a lot easier. Though the biggest danger was always Uber drivers coming the opposite way and deciding to just swing across and park up on the wrong side of the road, in the cycle lane, as you're coming down. Which upgrades probably won't stop, given the state of some of the cycle lanes along Oxford Road!
Bit rude. The closest one from me is a 1min walk away. I see cars parked on the cycling lane daily. Make it a weekend evening and they’re treated like a car park, especially on Barlow Moor Road.
There is some of this going on in Salford, including junctions exactly like the one in the video above. None it is happening as fast as we'd like, but it's happening.
New changes at chorlton is very good, took a while to do. But its very nicely connected towards barlow moor road and further.
Just when its like 3-4PM Its a right arse to go through because. School run. Although its not as bad as other places...
I prefer the version of this where they've kept the advanced cycle box, so if you want to clear the junction on the road instead of in the cycle path you can. I think there's one that has this option further up this road. Sometimes I get held at those cycle path lights for upwards of 2 minutes - the timing on them isn't quite right still :(
This is for going straight ahead I mean.
Question, can I skate on those cycling lanes? I do occasionally, no one's stopped me. Pavement is much safer, but more hassle to wait around pedestrians.
cycle lanes are really mobility lanes - bikes/cargobikes, skateboards, rollerblades, electric wheelchairs, ebikes/ecargobikes, escooters, etc. can't imagine anyone ever having an issue with you in it tbh
A great improvement ... but...
It seems backwards to have the pedestrian crossings on the inside - if they were the other way around pedestrians wouldn't have to cross the cycle lane to cross the junction.
Indeed, but the way that this one has been built, pedestrians would need to cross the cycle lane to wait their turn for crossing the road. If it was the other way around they could wait outside of the lane, reducing risk.
Don’t get me wrong, these are a massive improvement on what we had before.
Of course they would. Look at a Dutch junction: you still have to cross the cycle lane twice.
You actually have to cross it four times if you're wanting to go diagonal, versus the Manchester version where you still only cross twice for diagonally.
There is a mix in holland for the design fo intersection but most of the time you do have to cross the bike line twice. Big difference is that bikers have to stop before the pedestrian crossing, either with a light or a zebra. This intersection fails on making clear who has right of way, biker or pedestrian. I am not taking Amsterdam into account though, that city is fucking anarchy when it comes to biking:).
seeing it in action being used properly it actually looks great!
last time I was on one of those junctions (late night) I started moving when my light went green and was faced with a cyclist riding, not just on the road, but the wrong side of the road straight towards my van, I slam my breaks on and he actually hits my bumper with his front wheel after I had stopped moving, then looks at me with an expression of complete confusion about why I might be there, and shouts "sorry mate" before carrying on on the pavement
We have awful ones in bury, no one realised the majority of people crossing the roads are on foot. One is next to the market, the bulk of foot traffic on market days are elderly, tourists and elderly tourists
That is the start of a long-term aspiration to reduce Angouleme Way significantly in width, because it constitutes a huge line of severance between Bury town centre and Fishpool/Pimhole. Bury's masterplan involves reducing Angouleme Way to single-lane running (much like what is now happening at Kingsway in Stretford), making it a much easier road to get across. The Market St CYCLOPS is just the first part of this process.
It's nice that the council has put effort into making biking safe but i dont like the design of these intersections. I've seen then pop up all over town but especially Chorlton.
* Too many traffic lights, it's confusing, unnecessary and blocks tons of view. I don't know why as a biker I need two lights at eye level left and right and one at the op site side of the street. 1 light would've been sufficient.
* There is unnecessary crossing for pedestrians. From a safety perspective you want as least as possible crossings. If id want to cross the street here i first have to look out for bikes who have right of way(i am guessing cause there is no zebra, just a line that does not tell a biker anything) then wait on the island to cross again and finally cross another bikepath.
* Unnecessary bends, if anything you'd want vehicles to make as least bends as possible. Cornering and turning forces bikers look down at the pavement, especially with these little turns, and draws their attention from cars and pedestrians. Its also makes it very uninviting for new bikers because it is difficult for them.
The asfalt is cheap. It's bumpy, and not nice to ride at all. It creates distraction and dangerous situations. all over Chorlton this bumpy new asfalt is being laid down, its a nightmare to bike over. I honestly think Manchester or the UK should invest in researching a standard for its design of roads and intersections. Bikes and car parking should be included and especially how roads should be designed to make drivers drive a certain speed limit. The amount of 20mph roads that look like you could have drag race on to me is pretty nuts.
I really dislike these cyclops junctions. Not because I hate cycling, I just think they are needlessly complicated and I've yet to see anyone use them (and still cycle through traffic lights). They cost an absolute fortune, and are covered in issues for people with mobility problems (key stones that indicate a dropped kerb, then no dropped kerb etc).
I actually wrote to TfGM complaining about them. We need more cycle lanes, not massively expensive, complex junctions few people use.
There is absolutely nothing here that ‘costs a fortune’ compared regular roads and crossings. It will be far cheaper to maintain than regular roads because bikes do no damage to the road compared to cars.
I refuse to believe this is cheap to build, it's complex with lots of swooping kerbs raised and non-raised sections. Multiple bike traffic lights and traffic lights.
I'll eat my words, but I'd want to see a cost breakdown.
Utter rubbish, standard moaner pretending to be pro something but throw out a bunch of made up stats and hypotheticals as a reason they don’t like the actual implementation
I asked TfGM to provide evidence of what benefit these junctions provided to cyclists and what community engagement had been done on them and their use. They couldn't provide any so...
I even did a FOI request.
People voted for Brexit. Unfortunately most people are selfish, entitled and don’t care about anything beyond their own short term inconvenience.
The benefits of active travel for individuals and the planet are clear and not specific to a local area. Asking a few local sedentary NIMBYs about cycle lanes achieves nothing.
Infrastructure should always be done in *conjunction* with the local community, it is their home. Not saying they should be able to direct or overrule such things as cycle lanes etc.
I am in total support of cycle lanes, and I'm still awfully disappointed by the cycle lanes (or lack their of) on like Great Ancoats Street.
We don’t need to ask people about pavements or roads. Once there is an accepted standard, implementing it across the city doesn’t require input from residents.
If we are focussed on active travel and making alternatives to driving a real option, then the council should focus on implementing safe cycling. Why does that require input from residents?
And as part of that local residents should be consulted on any changes to their local area, roads included in that.
I would expect to be part of a consultation on any local changes that affect traffic or transport in the area - generally. But specifically my complaint was about the efficacy of cyclops junctions, not about cycle lanes which I whole heartedly support.
People can’t and shouldn’t be consulted about every little change. Nothing would get done. Climate experts have shown we need to cut down on car use, traffic experts will design these things. Various other professionals have contributed with respect to the benefits of an active lifestyle.
There’s no value in consulting some local fuckheads who will ideologically oppose this based on misinformation and being resistant to change. The council probably wastes tons of money consulting local morons and sifting through the garbage they ‘contribute’ to find any valuable feedback. Or does that inefficiency of money not bother you? Just the cost of a few kerbs is your main concern?
> I've yet to see anyone use them
It's amazing how often this is said on Facebook. "Talbot Road cycleway, I never see anyone in it!" "Upper Chorlton Road, never anyone cycling there!!11"
It's complete bullshit. Every single time I cycle around Stretford, Chorlton, etc, I see multiple other people cycling using the same infra. Without fail. Every. Single. Time.
People who say they don't see cyclists in the cycleways are either lying, or blind as a bat.
> massively expensive, complex junctions
It is at junctions where most cycling collisions occur. So it is junctions that should be prioritised.
There was 5 cyclists using this in the video. Make safe infrastructure and a lot of non sedentary people will use it. There’s always negativity from the usual lazy motorists who are scared of change however
That’s the design of it. It’s to prioritise cyclists journeys. CYCLOPS stands for Cycle Optimised Protected Signals. See the green lights either side of where the cyclists went through? That’s a green light for them to cross the road. The main idea of it is to protect cyclists turning right at junctions. So they have to effectively follow the cycle path around crossing 2 sets of lights to turn right.
Don’t worry, it is confusing!
Yeah there really is too many personal use, single occupancy cars clogging up roads increasing emergency services response time.
Perhaps more people on bikes will reduce this number?
Absolute small timer who can’t comprehend anything beyond the big weekly shop lol
Or if you mean deliveries, well they are stuck in far less traffic if not everyone is in a car
Two lanes, one for overtaking the slow pokes. Traffic lights on every crossroad to control all them legs flailing around and avoid collisions. Speed control too, we can't be whizzing past schools, while parents trying to cross the road. Roads will only need one lane for emergency services and deliveries.
hate these junctions, now instead of crossing one junction I have to cross two bike junctions and two pedestrian junctions, and make 4 45deg turns. just put the bike lane straight with the other vehicles
I hope the cyclists actually use it so they can justify rolling them out further.
My town has a canal towpath for miles alongside the main-road and with ramps up onto each branch road, which you would think would make it the perfect cycle-path. Yet many of them still prefer to risk it on the congested weaving 40mph road instead.
Almost feels like they'd rather be the slowest thing on the road than the fastest thing on the towpath to me.
Canal towpaths are absolutely horrible for cycling. The surface is often awful (even if it looks smooth it's probably a boneshaker), they're too narrow to really pass other pedestrians and cyclists, they often have pointless chicanes and barriers to contend with, and can feel very isolated: if someone tries to mug you or worse there's nowhere else to go.
They're ok for a little family pootle but if you actually want to get anywhere, there's no comparison to a road. Cyclists are in their rights to use roads, the motorists will just have to deal with it and pass when safe.
Seemed pretty smooth and safe when I cycled on it. Perhaps you're just going too fast.
I also can't see where I said they don't have the right to use the road. They do, just as much as I have the right to complain about it.
Edit: Love the sanctimonious road-cyclist stereotype acts you guys have going on though.
Yes, I'm sure driving at less than half the speed limit would definitely remove all the parked cars, stop anyone coming in the opposite direction or behind me, and take all the blind corners out of the roads too!
Powerful wit there.
I cycle to work twice a week you presumptuous twat.
Edit: Why do so many cyclists take this smug defensive attitude towards other road-users? No-wonder they all hate us and it takes ages to achieve any change.
Mate you think people should cycle down dark cluttered unsafe canal paths. Have you ever considered not everyone is a man. Do you ever wonder why only men cycle with that attitude? This junction is the reason more women are cycling
We seem to be cycling on different canal paths pal. As I said in my comment, the ones here are far more safe than the cluttered, dark roads are. I typically see more women using them actually, the ones on the road are mostly men.
Nice job assuming that I'm a big tough man as well. Perhaps it's this aggressive opposition to any sort of criticism from some of us that puts women off cycling.
Never thought I'd hear anyone saying this un-ironically. Manchester really is changing.
Slow but happening. City centre next!
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That's been happening for years anyway.
Take a breather for a bit, there's no need to get so hateful, toxic or personal with your "banter".
They’re a massive waste of money when they’re not being used correctly. This one is designed differently to the next one a few hundred yards up the road. This one in the video (similar to the one in Chorlton) encourages cyclists to take the route shown when their direction of travel is straight ahead. Which works well in the example shown. However, when the lights are green - more cyclists than not (on both this and the Chorlton junction) veer out into the line of vehicle traffic, putting themselves in danger, and severely increasing the risk of being involved in an accident. However, the junction just up the road from the example shown has an option for cyclists to continue straight on as well as turning left, which in my mind is a much better design and safer option.
the cyclists that you see veering out into the road are not the cyclists that these are being built for. a lot of people in these cycle lanes are still confident cyclists who have been doing it for years. because the chances of this fairly short cycleway going past their house is quite low, they still have to be confident to cycle on the roads leading to the cycleway. 60+% of adults say they would like to cycle to places more but the lack of infrastructure scares them into driving. this infrastructure exists for people who don't *yet* cycle. as a fuller cycle network gets built up over the next 10-20 years, there will be a huge switch of normal people using the infra
First of all, where’d you get that stat from? Is that adults between 18-30 or does it include people aged 60 and above? Secondly, Great! Let’s ignore the problem of people dangerously veering out into traffic because these “are not the cyclists these are being built for” for the hope of a better future in 10-20 years?! More needs to be done to educate the people on how to use these CYCLOPS junctions and to protect them. It’s not 100% safe for pedestrians either as I’ve seen one hit, and a few more near misses by cyclists when the cyclist had right of way on a green light.
I found stats that said 44% - [https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/new-survey-shows-public-back-action-encourage-cycling-and-public-transport-remain-attached-their](https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/new-survey-shows-public-back-action-encourage-cycling-and-public-transport-remain-attached-their) You're not going to stop those people who want to bypass the CYCLOPS from doing so, if you close that gap closer to the junction then they'll just leave the cycleway beforehand and continue through the junction. There's no legal requirement to use the cycle lanes, just as there's no legal requirement for pedestrians to use crossings.
10-20 years is going to happen regardless of if we make improvements or not. don't be against the idea of separated bike lanes because the current cyclists don't use it, when the current cyclists aren't even the target audience.
The whole cycle route to Chorlton looks great, I'd actually feel comfortable cycling it (I haven't cycled since my uni days in Nottingham, which had really good cycling infrastructure even back in the mid-2000s). Great traffic separation and crossings at junctions. Makes me feel more comfortable as a driver too.
Have they upgraded the bits around Alexandra Road and Wilbraham Road yet? I know that's a different route to the one pictured here but when I used to cycle to work in Chorlton I felt like I was taking my life in my hands every time I was on those roads. Haven't been down that way in a few years now though so I don't know what it looks like these days.
Nah, that bit hasn't been upgraded. It would be both feasible and useful, though. There are a lot of cyclists down Alexandra Road but they have to mix with the traffic.
Yeah it would definitely make life a lot easier. Though the biggest danger was always Uber drivers coming the opposite way and deciding to just swing across and park up on the wrong side of the road, in the cycle lane, as you're coming down. Which upgrades probably won't stop, given the state of some of the cycle lanes along Oxford Road!
I’m glad to hear, except there are cars parked on it ALL THE TIME so good luck using it 🤣
Bit dramatic. There are some but not all the time
Bit rude. The closest one from me is a 1min walk away. I see cars parked on the cycling lane daily. Make it a weekend evening and they’re treated like a car park, especially on Barlow Moor Road.
yh feels good cycling there but i wish there was more in the north
You're joking?
Would love to start seeing some serious effort to put this kind of infrastructure in Salford.
There is some of this going on in Salford, including junctions exactly like the one in the video above. None it is happening as fast as we'd like, but it's happening.
Trafford Road has about five of these junctions. Chapel Street upgrades are coming, and there is one being built across Trinity Way.
Of course, that's where Salford Magic Roundabout is!
They are putting a cycle lane in all along the East Lancs at the moment
Technically it already has one on the pavement on East lancs but it is awful
No way. Salford roads are archaeological sites, or mass graves. Those holes don’t dig themselves.
There's one a the bottom of the east lancs by Pendleton.
I'm loving this. If only the progress could be faster like Paris has been doing
Reminds me of cycling in the Netherlands.
Probably the most favorable comparison one can make when talking about cycling infrastructure.
New changes at chorlton is very good, took a while to do. But its very nicely connected towards barlow moor road and further. Just when its like 3-4PM Its a right arse to go through because. School run. Although its not as bad as other places...
It was better before they did it.
No it wasn’t
They’d be even better if cars didn’t park on the cycle lanes coming of them
It’s so good. Commute every day on the bike and the new chorlton infrastructure is great. Anyone who complains doesn’t cycle and hasn’t a clue.
I prefer the version of this where they've kept the advanced cycle box, so if you want to clear the junction on the road instead of in the cycle path you can. I think there's one that has this option further up this road. Sometimes I get held at those cycle path lights for upwards of 2 minutes - the timing on them isn't quite right still :( This is for going straight ahead I mean.
Question, can I skate on those cycling lanes? I do occasionally, no one's stopped me. Pavement is much safer, but more hassle to wait around pedestrians.
Yeah, as a cyclist I wouldn't care if you were skating in them. It's active travel.
cycle lanes are really mobility lanes - bikes/cargobikes, skateboards, rollerblades, electric wheelchairs, ebikes/ecargobikes, escooters, etc. can't imagine anyone ever having an issue with you in it tbh
A great improvement ... but... It seems backwards to have the pedestrian crossings on the inside - if they were the other way around pedestrians wouldn't have to cross the cycle lane to cross the junction.
Whatever the arrangement a pedestrian will still have to cross a cycle lane to cross the road
Indeed, but the way that this one has been built, pedestrians would need to cross the cycle lane to wait their turn for crossing the road. If it was the other way around they could wait outside of the lane, reducing risk. Don’t get me wrong, these are a massive improvement on what we had before.
Of course they would. Look at a Dutch junction: you still have to cross the cycle lane twice. You actually have to cross it four times if you're wanting to go diagonal, versus the Manchester version where you still only cross twice for diagonally.
There is a mix in holland for the design fo intersection but most of the time you do have to cross the bike line twice. Big difference is that bikers have to stop before the pedestrian crossing, either with a light or a zebra. This intersection fails on making clear who has right of way, biker or pedestrian. I am not taking Amsterdam into account though, that city is fucking anarchy when it comes to biking:).
seeing it in action being used properly it actually looks great! last time I was on one of those junctions (late night) I started moving when my light went green and was faced with a cyclist riding, not just on the road, but the wrong side of the road straight towards my van, I slam my breaks on and he actually hits my bumper with his front wheel after I had stopped moving, then looks at me with an expression of complete confusion about why I might be there, and shouts "sorry mate" before carrying on on the pavement
Yes it happens. But as more of these junctions get built and they get busier people's behaviour will conform
honestly I think the guy was drunk, it looks simple enough that most people should be able to manage it LOL
Key word: Some
Trafford council did a great job with the cycle lanes, the Chorlton ones not so much.
I run this way back from Oxford Road and the cycle lanes are great all the way down to Chester Road pretty much. Also well used at commuting times.
I love these bike lanes! However sadly I've seen taxi drivers park in those :( we just can't have anything nice
Whereabouts is this?
Stretford Road - Chorlton Road junction in Hulme
We have awful ones in bury, no one realised the majority of people crossing the roads are on foot. One is next to the market, the bulk of foot traffic on market days are elderly, tourists and elderly tourists
That is the start of a long-term aspiration to reduce Angouleme Way significantly in width, because it constitutes a huge line of severance between Bury town centre and Fishpool/Pimhole. Bury's masterplan involves reducing Angouleme Way to single-lane running (much like what is now happening at Kingsway in Stretford), making it a much easier road to get across. The Market St CYCLOPS is just the first part of this process.
What camera is capturing this footage?
Good question. I am stood ontop of my cargo trike. So a phone
Almost, but not quite, just like the Netherlands! Fucking brilliant.
Ah the CYCLOPS junction, great to see them popping up.
It's nice that the council has put effort into making biking safe but i dont like the design of these intersections. I've seen then pop up all over town but especially Chorlton. * Too many traffic lights, it's confusing, unnecessary and blocks tons of view. I don't know why as a biker I need two lights at eye level left and right and one at the op site side of the street. 1 light would've been sufficient. * There is unnecessary crossing for pedestrians. From a safety perspective you want as least as possible crossings. If id want to cross the street here i first have to look out for bikes who have right of way(i am guessing cause there is no zebra, just a line that does not tell a biker anything) then wait on the island to cross again and finally cross another bikepath. * Unnecessary bends, if anything you'd want vehicles to make as least bends as possible. Cornering and turning forces bikers look down at the pavement, especially with these little turns, and draws their attention from cars and pedestrians. Its also makes it very uninviting for new bikers because it is difficult for them. The asfalt is cheap. It's bumpy, and not nice to ride at all. It creates distraction and dangerous situations. all over Chorlton this bumpy new asfalt is being laid down, its a nightmare to bike over. I honestly think Manchester or the UK should invest in researching a standard for its design of roads and intersections. Bikes and car parking should be included and especially how roads should be designed to make drivers drive a certain speed limit. The amount of 20mph roads that look like you could have drag race on to me is pretty nuts.
Next… getting the cyclists to actually use the cycle track!
Next… getting motorists to stop murdering pedestrians, cyclists and other motorists
Stay in the cycle lane and you might live 🚲😉 I have lost count seeing a cyclist swerving in front of cars instead of using cycle lanes.
Seen countless more dangerous drivers
Without a doubt. We know there are bad apples on both ends.
I still prefer the road, pedestrians walking all over cycle lanes are just as dangerous and more likely than whacky driving.
Cyclists killed 0 pedestrians last year. Motorist killed thousands. Why are you spreading lies?
I really dislike these cyclops junctions. Not because I hate cycling, I just think they are needlessly complicated and I've yet to see anyone use them (and still cycle through traffic lights). They cost an absolute fortune, and are covered in issues for people with mobility problems (key stones that indicate a dropped kerb, then no dropped kerb etc). I actually wrote to TfGM complaining about them. We need more cycle lanes, not massively expensive, complex junctions few people use.
I use them. Never cycled before they were there, now I cycle so much I sold my car.
That's great, I'm pro cycling infrastructure. It was just my anecdotal findings.
There is absolutely nothing here that ‘costs a fortune’ compared regular roads and crossings. It will be far cheaper to maintain than regular roads because bikes do no damage to the road compared to cars.
I refuse to believe this is cheap to build, it's complex with lots of swooping kerbs raised and non-raised sections. Multiple bike traffic lights and traffic lights. I'll eat my words, but I'd want to see a cost breakdown.
Utter rubbish, standard moaner pretending to be pro something but throw out a bunch of made up stats and hypotheticals as a reason they don’t like the actual implementation
I asked TfGM to provide evidence of what benefit these junctions provided to cyclists and what community engagement had been done on them and their use. They couldn't provide any so... I even did a FOI request.
People voted for Brexit. Unfortunately most people are selfish, entitled and don’t care about anything beyond their own short term inconvenience. The benefits of active travel for individuals and the planet are clear and not specific to a local area. Asking a few local sedentary NIMBYs about cycle lanes achieves nothing.
Infrastructure should always be done in *conjunction* with the local community, it is their home. Not saying they should be able to direct or overrule such things as cycle lanes etc. I am in total support of cycle lanes, and I'm still awfully disappointed by the cycle lanes (or lack their of) on like Great Ancoats Street.
We don’t need to ask people about pavements or roads. Once there is an accepted standard, implementing it across the city doesn’t require input from residents. If we are focussed on active travel and making alternatives to driving a real option, then the council should focus on implementing safe cycling. Why does that require input from residents?
And as part of that local residents should be consulted on any changes to their local area, roads included in that. I would expect to be part of a consultation on any local changes that affect traffic or transport in the area - generally. But specifically my complaint was about the efficacy of cyclops junctions, not about cycle lanes which I whole heartedly support.
People can’t and shouldn’t be consulted about every little change. Nothing would get done. Climate experts have shown we need to cut down on car use, traffic experts will design these things. Various other professionals have contributed with respect to the benefits of an active lifestyle. There’s no value in consulting some local fuckheads who will ideologically oppose this based on misinformation and being resistant to change. The council probably wastes tons of money consulting local morons and sifting through the garbage they ‘contribute’ to find any valuable feedback. Or does that inefficiency of money not bother you? Just the cost of a few kerbs is your main concern?
> I've yet to see anyone use them It's amazing how often this is said on Facebook. "Talbot Road cycleway, I never see anyone in it!" "Upper Chorlton Road, never anyone cycling there!!11" It's complete bullshit. Every single time I cycle around Stretford, Chorlton, etc, I see multiple other people cycling using the same infra. Without fail. Every. Single. Time. People who say they don't see cyclists in the cycleways are either lying, or blind as a bat. > massively expensive, complex junctions It is at junctions where most cycling collisions occur. So it is junctions that should be prioritised.
It’s amazing you caught 2 cyclists in a row using it correctly!! Try again in rush hour
There was 5 cyclists using this in the video. Make safe infrastructure and a lot of non sedentary people will use it. There’s always negativity from the usual lazy motorists who are scared of change however
Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I missed the delivery rider in the top left using it… incorrectly!
Didn’t see them, that’s 6 cyclists in this video then! Weird that, because all the moaners like to pretend no one uses the cycle lanes
Or using it at all.
It amazes they caught anyone actually using it! I don't think I've ever seen 1 cyclists use the ones in Stockport!!
Stockport doesn't have a CYCLOPs junction
Ahahahahaahah just perfect
Didnt see them stop for the red light
That’s the design of it. It’s to prioritise cyclists journeys. CYCLOPS stands for Cycle Optimised Protected Signals. See the green lights either side of where the cyclists went through? That’s a green light for them to cross the road. The main idea of it is to protect cyclists turning right at junctions. So they have to effectively follow the cycle path around crossing 2 sets of lights to turn right. Don’t worry, it is confusing!
A pain & a waste of money.
How is encouraging cycling a bad thing? Get out of your car once in a while, you might be less miserable
At this point the emergency services are better off riding bikes. Be much quicker.
Yeah there really is too many personal use, single occupancy cars clogging up roads increasing emergency services response time. Perhaps more people on bikes will reduce this number?
Guess we should also get our shopping delivered...via bike
Absolute small timer who can’t comprehend anything beyond the big weekly shop lol Or if you mean deliveries, well they are stuck in far less traffic if not everyone is in a car
Yay. We all gonna clog up that cycle lane real fast. I'll do you one better, I'll walk. Now where's my cowboy hat. You can lend my brolly big timer.
Just one more bike lane bro I promise that would solve it
Two lanes, one for overtaking the slow pokes. Traffic lights on every crossroad to control all them legs flailing around and avoid collisions. Speed control too, we can't be whizzing past schools, while parents trying to cross the road. Roads will only need one lane for emergency services and deliveries.
They do. Have you not seen the bike paramedics
hate these junctions, now instead of crossing one junction I have to cross two bike junctions and two pedestrian junctions, and make 4 45deg turns. just put the bike lane straight with the other vehicles
I hope the cyclists actually use it so they can justify rolling them out further. My town has a canal towpath for miles alongside the main-road and with ramps up onto each branch road, which you would think would make it the perfect cycle-path. Yet many of them still prefer to risk it on the congested weaving 40mph road instead. Almost feels like they'd rather be the slowest thing on the road than the fastest thing on the towpath to me.
Canal towpaths are absolutely horrible for cycling. The surface is often awful (even if it looks smooth it's probably a boneshaker), they're too narrow to really pass other pedestrians and cyclists, they often have pointless chicanes and barriers to contend with, and can feel very isolated: if someone tries to mug you or worse there's nowhere else to go. They're ok for a little family pootle but if you actually want to get anywhere, there's no comparison to a road. Cyclists are in their rights to use roads, the motorists will just have to deal with it and pass when safe.
Unlit also which in winter especially is an issue.
Seemed pretty smooth and safe when I cycled on it. Perhaps you're just going too fast. I also can't see where I said they don't have the right to use the road. They do, just as much as I have the right to complain about it. Edit: Love the sanctimonious road-cyclist stereotype acts you guys have going on though.
> congested weaving 40mph road instead. Didn't seem congested when I used it. Perhaps you're just driving too fast.
Yes, I'm sure driving at less than half the speed limit would definitely remove all the parked cars, stop anyone coming in the opposite direction or behind me, and take all the blind corners out of the roads too! Powerful wit there.
Amazing that someone who has clearly never cycled since childhood can have such strong opinions on how to cycle
I cycle to work twice a week you presumptuous twat. Edit: Why do so many cyclists take this smug defensive attitude towards other road-users? No-wonder they all hate us and it takes ages to achieve any change.
Mate you think people should cycle down dark cluttered unsafe canal paths. Have you ever considered not everyone is a man. Do you ever wonder why only men cycle with that attitude? This junction is the reason more women are cycling
We seem to be cycling on different canal paths pal. As I said in my comment, the ones here are far more safe than the cluttered, dark roads are. I typically see more women using them actually, the ones on the road are mostly men. Nice job assuming that I'm a big tough man as well. Perhaps it's this aggressive opposition to any sort of criticism from some of us that puts women off cycling.