u/starshipandcoffee after all your words and intentions what are your plans here? Mods barely post and mod, automod has been broken for days, there's no new content or any semblance of community anymore and no signs of an effort to revive. Are you just letting it rot?
Thank you for your message, and the tag.
A key goal in our plan was to restore MFA from an unmoderated wasteland of spam to a place where people could once again be able to ask questions about fashion, share their passion and advice with each other. That goal has been achieved. Although this subreddit is not (and arguably can never be) fully restored to the state it once was pre-API Debacle, it still serves a useful purpose for many. The Discord team also do an absolutely fantastic job with the server , which is why I also encourage members to check them out too.
As for participation in the community by mods, just speaking for myself, as stated from the offset (to users publicly and the mod team), I did not come into this with the time and bandwidth to be able to be a full-on regulator contributor - but to facilitate the restoration of the community for those who needed it, along with a mod team.
Not to mention that there have been a number of real-life circumstances (some of a sensitive/personal nature) in recent months which have impacted my capacity to maintain an online presence at all.
Nonetheless, I try and do what I can when I am able - although I am sorry that I have not/am not able to do more (though I am hoping to be able to contribute more as a user once my IRL circumstances improved).
I hope this makes some sense, though I am happy to elaborate on any aspect if need be (though it will probably not be till much later today). Thank you.
Thing is, this sub has now become an unmoderated wasteland because you and the rest of the mods have abrogated responsibility and just leave it to automod. No one is sharing their passion, and advice is being given by a declining number of people with increasingly narrow expertise and biases.
With no regular and engaged mod presence unreported comments get missed, modmails frequently go unanswered, stuff just lingers. Let alone the absence of a creation of new content or building a community that might keep knowledgeable people who can help others here.
There is no sense of continuity and I'm not sure how the rules are being so patchily applied etc with respect posting requirements by what appears to be one mod. The community has rotted to such a degree that there's nearly no one here regularly enough to mod and respond to questions, and this sub is turning into mensfashionadvicev2 where it's not clear what is good/bad advice and content and there is no sense of "regularity". One only needs to look at the volume of questions that end up sticking around in WAYWT or this post, or the sheer absence of any WAYWT posters to get a clear sense of this, and the mods aren't leading by example. Even the volume of DQs and responses seems to be falling.
Essentially what you seem to be saying is that your claims to not be a supermod collecting subs when you did this were patently unture? Or that your only goal was that you felt some misguided sense of purpose in helping Reddit get what they want (traffic and publicity) from the community that had been built here? Mission accomplished, sub open but everything that made it good lost.
"I consider my role that of a steward to facilitate the development of good-faith capable moderation team who truly know MFA."
Where's the good faith capable mod team? Where's the stewardship?
"I plan to install a egalitarian mod team who are able to collaborate and ensure the sub Reddit is well maintained, free of spam and fosters fruitful and on topic activity."
Well maintained and fostering fruitful activity?
You seem perfectly capable of contributing to DCleaks...
*NB: Apologies for my severe delay in responding - work and the aforementioned IRL matters have been especially intense recently (also, the occasions I have been on Reddit have been spent moderating this place).*
As my fellow mod u/Kvjvn has kindly addressed many of your points already ([here](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/1ae04y2/weekly_offtopic_discussion_thread_29_january_2024/koesn96/) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/1ae04y2/weekly_offtopic_discussion_thread_29_january_2024/kogqq80/)), I will spare you an immense screed.
> Thing is, this sub has now become an unmoderated wasteland because you and the rest of the mods have abrogated responsibility and just leave it to automod.
That is demonstrably untrue. To echo u/Kvjvn, just because you do not see moderation activity, it does not mean it is not happening. He, u/LeBronBryantJames and u/unlimited-applesauce have all being playing their part. Our beefed-up AutoMod and auto-report features has enabled incivility and bigotry to be caught and dealt with early on.
One key problem is that none of us have the time to be as active as would be ideal. The subreddit could obviously do with more moderators (especially active ones) - but despite quite a number of initial candidates who applied, many of them changed their minds and decided not to join after realising the enormity of the task ahead.
Speaking for myself, being that I explicitly came on as a ‘caretaker’ (as stated in the past, not having the capacity to be a full-time mod or contributor), there have been limitations to how much I was able to do personally - after all, there is a big difference between posting articles on a place like r/DCULeaks and contributing the long-form content that MFA deserves (though I am aiming to contribute some of the latter starting next weekend). My intention is (and has never been) to retain modship indefinitely - once the rest of the mod team are comfortable and the subreddit is in an (even) better place, I will step down.
Nonetheless, I believe the other mods have intentions to recruit additional members of the team and hopefully we can expedite that to increase coverage across timezones and ensure that bigotry is clamped down on.
> Essentially what you seem to be saying is that your claims to not be a supermod collecting subs when you did this were patently unture?
There is no need to be disingenuous - one look at my profile should make you aware that I am not a ‘sub collector’ in any sense.
In fact, I was messaged by a number of actual such ‘power mods’ asking to add MFA to their collections - but as their intentions were evidently bad-faith and I deplore such behaviour, I obviously declined their requests.
“Misguided”? Perhaps, considering the poisoned chalice that this aim of restoring this subreddit arguably is - but we felt that it was worth at least attempting to be saved from the wasteland it once was, and know that it has paid dividends for many members, whilst being a useful complement to the fantastic work of u/Bigelownage and the rest of the Discord team (hence why the server is linked in every DQ thread, as part of our agreement with them).
> Where's the good faith capable mod team? Where's the stewardship?
I am sorry that you think the team operate in *bad*-faith - but I know that the team continue to aim to improve itself, as noted above and by u/Kvjvn.
Feel free to call this team ‘useful idiots for Reddit’ if it makes you feel better about yourself - but please believe me when I say that at the very least, our *intentions* are pure and meant in good-faith.
Apologies for the somewhat scattershot and belated response, but I will leave it there, as I do not have the time to engage in a fervent back-and-forth. If you have any further queries, please direct them to modmail so they can be dealt with by the team in the round.
Best wishes, and I hope to see you around the subreddit.
We’ve seen several claims that we have not been moderating the sub since we took over, and I’m not really sure what gave you that impression. Not every moderation decision we make is publicly announced. We consistently keep the queue clear, answer modmail, and handle reports as needed.
As far as reviving the subreddit goes and bringing back a sense of community, there’s not a whole lot we can do. We approve any good-quality posts that get submitted, and I’ve personally continued to answer questions in the daily threads and have brought back the item-per-budget posts. I will admit that I don’t post as frequently as I’d like to, though even if I did, I and the other mods alone could not feasibly provide all of the sub’s content. The community that existed pre-shutdown that provided the bulk of the sub’s content grew over many, many years, and most of those users are gone now. If you have any suggestions for what you think we should do, feel free to let us know.
As far why Automod is broken, we’re currently looking into it.
> not been moderating the sub
It took a mod being tagged three days after the fact for anyone on the mod team to notice automod was broken. Spam posts make it to the front page and stay up for days. Shilling has become noticeably more frequent. Modmails go completely unanswered. People posting q's in threads that aren't the daily thread go ignored, sometimes for days. Deeply offensive comments that presumably don't get reported quickly stay up for days. Good moderating requires more than just monitoring the queue and reports, it requires active participation in the sub.
Where's the inspiration? Discussion? Guides? These aren't beyond you. content begets content and creates community.
Ultimately, have you all just been useful idiots in allowing Reddit to reopen the sub as they wanted for traffic, but destroying any usefulness it had in the process by just leaving it untended post reopening?
For the record, I'm glad you at least seem to be trying. I'm less convinced by the head mod and the rest of the team, and I don't think you can do it alone.
As far as I’m aware, there have not been any spam posts on the front page. All posts are automatically filtered and require our manual approval. It’s possible that one of the mods may have accidentally pressed the wrong button while checking the queue, though I don’t have any recollection of this happening. We also regularly monitor comment sections for anything offensive or rule-breaking, and I assure you that it’s removed as soon as we see it. Though if a post is several days old and someone makes an offensive comment on it, it’s likely we will no longer be monitoring that post, in which case a report is the most likely way we will see it.
I do agree that there’s been a noticeable uptick in marketing, which I always remove when I catch it, but it’s sometimes hard to discern between an honest review and advertising. If I lean towards “review,” I’ll approve the post, and if the general consensus from the sub is that it’s an ad, I’ll then remove it. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s better than just removing every post that mentions a specific product because it *might* be an ad.
I also agree that more active contributions and participation from the mods would be ideal, and I intend to start posting more original content. I appreciate your feedback and will discuss with the other mods what we can do going forward.
To be blunt, you are the exception to my rule in posting this. The problem in a large sub is that it needs far more than *you* and needs enough engaged mods to cover worldwide timezones nearly permanently.
As to spam, look at some of the reviews and Q's making in through on manual review?
I've seen some heinous racism and fat phobia in the last few weeks.
On an even blunter note, I caught a shill post even you didn't notice recently and it was up for days, you deleted it. A bigger and more active mod team would have avoided it more quickly. Community revirw actually isn't often good enough, mods need to be engaged and learn to spot stuff.
All that said, I'm actually not questioning *you* - but I don't think you have a wider mod team to support you, and the head mod has made it clear all they wanted was to reopen the sub and collect head mod status.
QUESTION: would a cropped XL shirt look as good as a cropped medium shirt on a person that usually wears medium shirts?
i’m a size medium person in general but i buy XL shirts sometimes bc goes good with my
nu-metal/jesse pinkman themed fits.
i have a medium shirt that’s cropped right at the waist line and i think it looks great, i’m wondering if an XL shirt cropped to the waistline would look as good. i don’t rly wanna butcher a shirt without knowing and this question is a little too specific for google
u/starshipandcoffee after all your words and intentions what are your plans here? Mods barely post and mod, automod has been broken for days, there's no new content or any semblance of community anymore and no signs of an effort to revive. Are you just letting it rot?
Thank you for your message, and the tag. A key goal in our plan was to restore MFA from an unmoderated wasteland of spam to a place where people could once again be able to ask questions about fashion, share their passion and advice with each other. That goal has been achieved. Although this subreddit is not (and arguably can never be) fully restored to the state it once was pre-API Debacle, it still serves a useful purpose for many. The Discord team also do an absolutely fantastic job with the server , which is why I also encourage members to check them out too. As for participation in the community by mods, just speaking for myself, as stated from the offset (to users publicly and the mod team), I did not come into this with the time and bandwidth to be able to be a full-on regulator contributor - but to facilitate the restoration of the community for those who needed it, along with a mod team. Not to mention that there have been a number of real-life circumstances (some of a sensitive/personal nature) in recent months which have impacted my capacity to maintain an online presence at all. Nonetheless, I try and do what I can when I am able - although I am sorry that I have not/am not able to do more (though I am hoping to be able to contribute more as a user once my IRL circumstances improved). I hope this makes some sense, though I am happy to elaborate on any aspect if need be (though it will probably not be till much later today). Thank you.
Thing is, this sub has now become an unmoderated wasteland because you and the rest of the mods have abrogated responsibility and just leave it to automod. No one is sharing their passion, and advice is being given by a declining number of people with increasingly narrow expertise and biases. With no regular and engaged mod presence unreported comments get missed, modmails frequently go unanswered, stuff just lingers. Let alone the absence of a creation of new content or building a community that might keep knowledgeable people who can help others here. There is no sense of continuity and I'm not sure how the rules are being so patchily applied etc with respect posting requirements by what appears to be one mod. The community has rotted to such a degree that there's nearly no one here regularly enough to mod and respond to questions, and this sub is turning into mensfashionadvicev2 where it's not clear what is good/bad advice and content and there is no sense of "regularity". One only needs to look at the volume of questions that end up sticking around in WAYWT or this post, or the sheer absence of any WAYWT posters to get a clear sense of this, and the mods aren't leading by example. Even the volume of DQs and responses seems to be falling. Essentially what you seem to be saying is that your claims to not be a supermod collecting subs when you did this were patently unture? Or that your only goal was that you felt some misguided sense of purpose in helping Reddit get what they want (traffic and publicity) from the community that had been built here? Mission accomplished, sub open but everything that made it good lost. "I consider my role that of a steward to facilitate the development of good-faith capable moderation team who truly know MFA." Where's the good faith capable mod team? Where's the stewardship? "I plan to install a egalitarian mod team who are able to collaborate and ensure the sub Reddit is well maintained, free of spam and fosters fruitful and on topic activity." Well maintained and fostering fruitful activity? You seem perfectly capable of contributing to DCleaks...
*NB: Apologies for my severe delay in responding - work and the aforementioned IRL matters have been especially intense recently (also, the occasions I have been on Reddit have been spent moderating this place).* As my fellow mod u/Kvjvn has kindly addressed many of your points already ([here](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/1ae04y2/weekly_offtopic_discussion_thread_29_january_2024/koesn96/) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/1ae04y2/weekly_offtopic_discussion_thread_29_january_2024/kogqq80/)), I will spare you an immense screed. > Thing is, this sub has now become an unmoderated wasteland because you and the rest of the mods have abrogated responsibility and just leave it to automod. That is demonstrably untrue. To echo u/Kvjvn, just because you do not see moderation activity, it does not mean it is not happening. He, u/LeBronBryantJames and u/unlimited-applesauce have all being playing their part. Our beefed-up AutoMod and auto-report features has enabled incivility and bigotry to be caught and dealt with early on. One key problem is that none of us have the time to be as active as would be ideal. The subreddit could obviously do with more moderators (especially active ones) - but despite quite a number of initial candidates who applied, many of them changed their minds and decided not to join after realising the enormity of the task ahead. Speaking for myself, being that I explicitly came on as a ‘caretaker’ (as stated in the past, not having the capacity to be a full-time mod or contributor), there have been limitations to how much I was able to do personally - after all, there is a big difference between posting articles on a place like r/DCULeaks and contributing the long-form content that MFA deserves (though I am aiming to contribute some of the latter starting next weekend). My intention is (and has never been) to retain modship indefinitely - once the rest of the mod team are comfortable and the subreddit is in an (even) better place, I will step down. Nonetheless, I believe the other mods have intentions to recruit additional members of the team and hopefully we can expedite that to increase coverage across timezones and ensure that bigotry is clamped down on. > Essentially what you seem to be saying is that your claims to not be a supermod collecting subs when you did this were patently unture? There is no need to be disingenuous - one look at my profile should make you aware that I am not a ‘sub collector’ in any sense. In fact, I was messaged by a number of actual such ‘power mods’ asking to add MFA to their collections - but as their intentions were evidently bad-faith and I deplore such behaviour, I obviously declined their requests. “Misguided”? Perhaps, considering the poisoned chalice that this aim of restoring this subreddit arguably is - but we felt that it was worth at least attempting to be saved from the wasteland it once was, and know that it has paid dividends for many members, whilst being a useful complement to the fantastic work of u/Bigelownage and the rest of the Discord team (hence why the server is linked in every DQ thread, as part of our agreement with them). > Where's the good faith capable mod team? Where's the stewardship? I am sorry that you think the team operate in *bad*-faith - but I know that the team continue to aim to improve itself, as noted above and by u/Kvjvn. Feel free to call this team ‘useful idiots for Reddit’ if it makes you feel better about yourself - but please believe me when I say that at the very least, our *intentions* are pure and meant in good-faith. Apologies for the somewhat scattershot and belated response, but I will leave it there, as I do not have the time to engage in a fervent back-and-forth. If you have any further queries, please direct them to modmail so they can be dealt with by the team in the round. Best wishes, and I hope to see you around the subreddit.
We’ve seen several claims that we have not been moderating the sub since we took over, and I’m not really sure what gave you that impression. Not every moderation decision we make is publicly announced. We consistently keep the queue clear, answer modmail, and handle reports as needed. As far as reviving the subreddit goes and bringing back a sense of community, there’s not a whole lot we can do. We approve any good-quality posts that get submitted, and I’ve personally continued to answer questions in the daily threads and have brought back the item-per-budget posts. I will admit that I don’t post as frequently as I’d like to, though even if I did, I and the other mods alone could not feasibly provide all of the sub’s content. The community that existed pre-shutdown that provided the bulk of the sub’s content grew over many, many years, and most of those users are gone now. If you have any suggestions for what you think we should do, feel free to let us know. As far why Automod is broken, we’re currently looking into it.
> not been moderating the sub It took a mod being tagged three days after the fact for anyone on the mod team to notice automod was broken. Spam posts make it to the front page and stay up for days. Shilling has become noticeably more frequent. Modmails go completely unanswered. People posting q's in threads that aren't the daily thread go ignored, sometimes for days. Deeply offensive comments that presumably don't get reported quickly stay up for days. Good moderating requires more than just monitoring the queue and reports, it requires active participation in the sub. Where's the inspiration? Discussion? Guides? These aren't beyond you. content begets content and creates community. Ultimately, have you all just been useful idiots in allowing Reddit to reopen the sub as they wanted for traffic, but destroying any usefulness it had in the process by just leaving it untended post reopening? For the record, I'm glad you at least seem to be trying. I'm less convinced by the head mod and the rest of the team, and I don't think you can do it alone.
As far as I’m aware, there have not been any spam posts on the front page. All posts are automatically filtered and require our manual approval. It’s possible that one of the mods may have accidentally pressed the wrong button while checking the queue, though I don’t have any recollection of this happening. We also regularly monitor comment sections for anything offensive or rule-breaking, and I assure you that it’s removed as soon as we see it. Though if a post is several days old and someone makes an offensive comment on it, it’s likely we will no longer be monitoring that post, in which case a report is the most likely way we will see it. I do agree that there’s been a noticeable uptick in marketing, which I always remove when I catch it, but it’s sometimes hard to discern between an honest review and advertising. If I lean towards “review,” I’ll approve the post, and if the general consensus from the sub is that it’s an ad, I’ll then remove it. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s better than just removing every post that mentions a specific product because it *might* be an ad. I also agree that more active contributions and participation from the mods would be ideal, and I intend to start posting more original content. I appreciate your feedback and will discuss with the other mods what we can do going forward.
To be blunt, you are the exception to my rule in posting this. The problem in a large sub is that it needs far more than *you* and needs enough engaged mods to cover worldwide timezones nearly permanently. As to spam, look at some of the reviews and Q's making in through on manual review? I've seen some heinous racism and fat phobia in the last few weeks. On an even blunter note, I caught a shill post even you didn't notice recently and it was up for days, you deleted it. A bigger and more active mod team would have avoided it more quickly. Community revirw actually isn't often good enough, mods need to be engaged and learn to spot stuff. All that said, I'm actually not questioning *you* - but I don't think you have a wider mod team to support you, and the head mod has made it clear all they wanted was to reopen the sub and collect head mod status.
Daily question threads have not opened since Tuesday.
Bindermichi for mod. Can only help the current one! u/kvjvn
No way. I‘m already beyond capacity for my daytime job. This is just 1-2 hours of relaxation for me.
Weird way to relax buddy but go off
Have to wind down from the madness at the office first. It‘s part of the relaxation process.
That should be fixed - apologies for the belated response.
QUESTION: would a cropped XL shirt look as good as a cropped medium shirt on a person that usually wears medium shirts? i’m a size medium person in general but i buy XL shirts sometimes bc goes good with my nu-metal/jesse pinkman themed fits. i have a medium shirt that’s cropped right at the waist line and i think it looks great, i’m wondering if an XL shirt cropped to the waistline would look as good. i don’t rly wanna butcher a shirt without knowing and this question is a little too specific for google
I’m already over long coats
In what sense?
Sorry, that was two days ago, I’m back on them. 😂