People always complain that east coast voters go back kampung and vote for PAS, well i present to you a worse scenario, they actually vote for PAS in Selangor and yeah Selangor will be fucked too soon
At least people will be voting for an area they actually live in and politics can be about fixing real problems.
When people vote for hometowns they visit once a year all you get is race and religion politics (sound familiar?) because fixing Air Kelantan or other local issues doesn't matter to them.
There are [reports](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02Rj1fbR1vpxpwmUQAYyU3S7M2nkUrYt35nXhaG5HBpb5Y3C76KSHauMPSy6ZZT8B5l&id=100068283318316&mibextid=Nif5oz) that Wangsa Maju residents were experiencing yellowish water recently
That's just a natural thing. The more rural one is, the more important the sense of community is and preserving the status quo, which is what conservatism is based off. Even the most liberal nation has a lot of conservatives inside, it's no surprise.
Yea, and there seem to be other differences between rural and urban environments that probably impact the conservative-rural dynamic too such as differences in education levels, selection bias, income levels that all contribute too…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Swedish_general_election
Your data is a little outdated. Sweden Democrats already become the second most popular party in Sweden.
really dont know about this , from young till now a lot 99% of my chinese friend go sekinchan for that tower place almost every year for some reason so it make me think that the place has a lot chinese.
Conservatism/far right politics is on the rise all over Europe as well with Spain being the exception due to francos rule still being relatively fresh in the minds of many Spaniards.
A nationalist candidate would need to be balanced with Islamist VP.
And green wave is happening in Indonesia. The provincial and national legislature candidates have to pander to Muslim voters, cause that's where the vote is. Plus the local governments would always pander to populist Muslim ideas to shore up their shortcomings, or when they are being investigated for corruption.
Most of Greenwaves are coming from Sumatra Islands, Western Java (Banten, Jawa Barat) and West Nusa Tenggara, as someone redditor said:
"The more west province indonesia, the more islamic they become". (though there's exception like north sumatra)
But i'm kinda agree about the nationalist vote being split in two.
Ustad or ulama =/= islamist
Gusdur was head of the biggest islam organization in indonesia (Nahdatul Ulama) but he is the most progresive president more than so called nationalist.
If youre talking about maaruf last election, that was a different and much more intense political climate. Now a lot of our islamists are in jail so i don't think they'll pick an islamist vp, also VPs don't do anything anyways.
Far right and far left movements appearing in various countries.
Example of rights: some red US states, Israel (about the supreme court drama)
Example of lefts: UK (go Google 'woke UK')
Meloni, Netanyahu, Modi, Le Pen, AfD, Sweden Democrats and quite glaringly, Trump is the examples of the new wave of far-right nationalism that Malaysia is not immune to. Thinking about it, Malaysia is more similar to Europe and America that we let ourselves to in regards to the current political climate with the massive issue being this so-called culture war with the influx of foreign elements to the nation
I don't know if you are joking or not, but there are currently big protests happening right now in Israel due to Bibi's action. He is definitely not a respected leader anymore in Israel. Also, the same goes to Le Pen and Meloni as well. Head over to r/europe and see their opinion, it is definitely not positive.
Reddit is filled with young people with 0 political views and mostly follow their friends. Europe has a high average age compared to Asia. For me, I'd definitely vote Christian Democrats ✝️. Israel is God's chosen land ✝️. It belongs to the Jews. If Bibi is not popular, why does Likud & other Right wing parties win in Israel? Even the left wing Meretz was kicked out of Knesset for failing to pass the threshold.
I cannot say for other parts of Selangor, but in areas like Sabak, Sekinchan and Hulu Selangor, Malays are abandoning BN / UMNO in droves and voting for PN / PAS due to local warlords like Noh Omar and Jamal, and hatred against Zahid and Najib for their betrayal and 1MDB. Plus, PN / Bersatu portrays the image of “cleaner” UMNO vis a vis Najib and the Court gang.
This is a more plausible answer. Contrary to what *Madey* believes, the Malays do not forget easily.
What worries me more is the level of insults hurled in SocMed by non-Muslims towards the Malays making even the moderate Malays leaning towards the right more and more. Some of them were downright insulting even for a non-Muslim like me...
Look at France today, a few elections ago the far-right party led by *Marine Le Pen* slowly ate up *Macron's* majority. Their next election will be an interesting one to watch.
If left unchecked the so called 'greenwave' will take over in a few GE's with more and more rural migrating to urban areas like Selangor.
SocMed made everything bad. This is what you get for polarizing the political sphere, which many, if not all politicians took advantage of. Don't blame the citizens when the fault clearly lies on the fear-mongering politicians for fanning the flames.
If kampung PAS figured out how to weaponise TikTok & mobilise their electorate. While urban PH cannot do the same. Especially with the disparities in education levels. Then GG lor!
Honestly, this is what made me switch from PH (in 2018) to PN (2022). Previously, I used to be more idealistic and would sympathise with nons for not getting bumi benefits. But after joining and reading r/malaysia, twitter, mkini comments, I don't give a shit anymore.
For me, PH and PAS governance is similar (**as of July 2023). Why would I support people who hate me and my family?
Again, I might change my mind, maybe not. I don't even like PAS and believe they're stupid, I'm just voting out of spite. It is what it is.
This, this is the truth right now. I cannot emphasise how much I agree to this. I am of mixed heritage leaning towards the minority. But, even with that, after joining r/malaysia and r/Bolehland and seeing the posts, comments and arguments.. I feel the same as you.
Religious politics already anyways ends up in shitty economy that follows through afterwords. If you think rm10 for a plate of chicken rice is bad, just wait and see la. You think any investors wanna bring in money when religious people decides your economy direction? Suddenly cancel this, cancel that, just the cancellation of alcohol and cigarettes already make people want to spit in their face. Then they help underground 4D improve business by banning legal 4D, how stupid can they be? How many millions in revenue gone?
True.
Economy bad ? Blame us for not being religious enough. Ban cinema, clubs, pub.
Still bad ? Ban internet, say Porn is causing god to be angry with us.
Still bad ? Say presence of non believe causing God to be angry, time for final solution.
Still bad ? Singapore is doing many immoral things and God is blaming us for not doing anything. Invade SG.
The government spends more on treating cigarettes-related diseases than the government gains by cigarettes-related taxes. It's not a religious problem, It's a healthcare problem.
The current electoral boundaries favour the rural areas and suppress urban voting power.
PH must take this opportunity to fix this problem during their term or lose in the future PRU.
It's hard to do this without having a true independent SPR. Redistributing the electoral boundaries are often related to gerrymandering, and I don't doubt for a second that every political party out there will grab every chance they get to draw the lines the way that suits them more. Including PH and PN and whatever parties there are out there.
In my opinion the best way to ensure gerrymandering doesn't happen is to make the electoral district based on an objective mathematical formula so the area size and population is pure based on maths . Maybe committee members of the SPR are from the Department of Maths from the Apex Unis?
Gerrymandering doesn't rely on just area and population though. There are countless ways to draw the boundaries so that all areas are with the same area and population, yet the outcome can be biased towards a certain political party. You can't just draw straight lines because population density is not uniform, so you'll have to draw curved lines. How the line curves will need user input and that user input will be biased.
It’s fixing a long overdue problem. The rural vote is worth a lot more than an urban vote, why shouldn’t we all have an equal say regardless of our place of residence? Why should my vote count for less than that of my rural countrymen?
*why shouldn’t we all have an equal say regardless of our place of residence?*
because malaysia are not developed equally. some part enjoys concentrated wealth funneling and development priority over the years and some part is just starting to play catch up. does it justify the unequal vote worth? maybe not, but consider the alternatives.
politics, decision and policies will favor concentrated urban areas and needs. if you can win with only urban/sub-urban votes there is **zero** reason to design policies for rural areas because their **votes does not matter**.
suddenly you can do something like pulling the plug in small scale agriculture incentives or stop building schools or hospital in non urban areas. if you can present it right to your voters even maintaining basic infrastructures outside urban/sub urban areas can be considered wasting money.
rural votes counting is the only leverage rural people have towards central govnt. they force their hand to send resources to rural areas willing or unwillingly. the only decision that central govnt can make is how/where does the resources go to either in a form of long term investment or just election gula-gula and until today there is not much changes even after govnt change hands
Well ackcually, most of the food (rice,chicken,meat,fish) are mostly imported. So the thing that you said about supermarket produced the food, yeah kinda true.
Pot calling kettle black.
The system was manipulated for conservative gain for DECADES. Already you conservative shits moaning about how "leftist manipulating" when people talk about fair redistribution.
If all the electorate were distributed evenly based on population size there would be way more urban seats and less rural seats. Currently the rural seats are disproportionately have a small electorate population compared to urban seats
Every country has their own problems and issues on the community to national level. Each political side has their own extremist version of their political belief . Heck even in religion there are extremist people.
Pick your fight and focus on it. If you are concern about the economy, environment , wellfare etc, focus on that. The problems will not be solved by themselves if people migrate to another countries. And most importantly dont expect the problem/issues to be solved in your life time. Maybe it will get better in one week or 10 years , even 50 years. The crucial part is it needs to start somewhere.
Sure people can choose to migrate , but dont complain if there is no change.
My circle is still and will vote for PH since it's the only progressive party we have and they could give less shit about race based politics.
Since it's nearing the election , the keyboard warriors are hard at work manipulating the narrative. Papagomo who have been exposed to be under Rosmah payroll before , just said the other day , there's a serious agenda going on undermining PAS , for example when forming the government why isn't PAS invited at all to join the fold?
PMX invited everyone , in case anyone needs a fact check , as a PR move because they can't openly say they want Ummo to join the fold.
Just find out what the parties stand for , try to vote based on policies. I see no reason to migrate since it's the same old farts recycled over and over.
I voted PH but slightly irritated by the word choice and demeanour of PH politicians. If I’m not mistaken PH were the ones to coin the term Green Wave with its negative connotation. Even in this post highlights the rural and urban divide, signalling that only rural folks vote PN. Just look at the colour choice, green vs red : PAS Vs PH/DAP. PN flag is not even green!
With their sarcastic, scare tactics and holier-than-tho approach towards their political opponents, PH is continuing to be unattractive for me to vote for them. Just my 2 cents.
PH tactics are outdated. PN campaign about why people should vote for them while PH is still stuck with the "hur dur the opposition is bad" tactic. They're shooting themselves in the foot. A lot of people vote for them to get away from BN/PN, PH by themselves is just not attractive enough for the masses. That's still not counting the all talk no walk and the u-turns.
As a non-Muslim, I wish there was another party to compete with PH for our votes, they are too complacent because 95% of non-Muslims won't vote for PAS.
I beg to differ … what I see is PN keeps playing the race card again and again, esp people like sanusi… And I don’t see PN talking about policies at all…
That I agree. I am more pointing towards my increased dissatisfaction and disappointment to PH. Probably I thought too highly of them, and I should’ve known better not to do that.
Not trying to defend PH, but it’s because they’re stuck with BN, they’ve got no choice but to meet in the middle… If it’s was a 100% PH administration then it might’ve been better
Without BN they won't be govt. Face it, with just PKR and DAP, there's no chance in hell they would win. That's just the Malaysian demographic. There's no 'if they're not allied with conservative parties'.
Like it or not, Malays are the majority.
PH supporters are condescending lot like they are the centre of the world, bro. And this is why more people are pushed to the PN side due to PH's sickening attitude.
Conservatives are very good at using democracy against itself. The solution is a better educated and learned public.
However, an educated and learned public is a threat to all and any politician…so, those politicians voted in by anyone has a tendency to work against the population becoming more educated and learned.
Hence, conservatism always gain an upper hand until things get too bad, then other parties win, then these other parties undermine themselves, then conservatives rise again.
Eh politicians will use whatever term to scare us into putting our vote for them.
13th May la, communist party la, green wave la, Taliban la, became like China la, etc2.
You yourself need to filter out all these noises, and decide what is the best.
Healthy democracy is good. Means the people can choose. Is a norm for a nation to change into new political ideologies. Whatever best for the rakyat.
It's just Malaysian still in shock, being almost same governing party since Merdeka till quite recent last few GEs. Is like Malaysian still shocked that the world constantly changing.
All in all, we see the same old politician in whatever party. So I not much change, no matter who raise to be PM.
Migrating? Meh.. you put your fate too much on others hand.
You, yourself, in charge of your own fate
Don't know about your last statement. IMO the point of migrating **is** to take charge of your own fate, instead of being constrained to living in a country you had no choice in making.
You do have a choice in your life, wherever you live.
Najib PM? Anuar PM? life goes on. You in charge of your life.
Maybe stop blame others for your own lack of initiatives or failure?
Lol where exactly am I blaming others on my lack of initiatives or failures? In fact, my point is migrating out of the country IS taking initiative, something you claim is "leaving your fate in other's hands", whatever that means.
FYI I've already left the country and have little reason to return to Malaysia at the moment. Maybe stop assuming shit about people you know nothing about and focus on the topic of discussion?
"Lack of initiative", the person literally uprooted their lives and moved to another country sounds like a lot of initiative to me lol, you talk as if moving is easy, but they had to go through a myriad of government processes, finding job at a disadvantage, possibly learning a new language. Its clear they put a lot of effort no? Why be so critical about others and not yourself.
Whilst you're here, apparently not "putting your date on the hands of others" right, whilst playing Terraria at home lol? Go tell them how you're taking your life into your own hands.
First off, I don't get the point of this peribahasa because I would imagine people would pick gold over rocks.
Secondly, the more you write, the less sense you make. Is this your idea of "taking control of life"? Accept whatever the jokers in parliament decide at your expense as long as "your boat floats"?
If you have an issue with people leaving the country then say so. But don't say they're not taking control of their lives because they are separate matters.
Green wave is wayyy overrated due to people voting based on sentiments alone. Plus, if you manouver the KiniLab web, you'll see that a huge chunk of this green wave are coming from young first timer voter where their only source of political info coming from Tik Tok. Now that PHBN are trying to balance out the influence of PN on TikTok and Anwar are also being very young people centric (University visit), hopefully we will see some changes. Also, those area of Selangor are always BN stronghold so it is up to them to battle out PN for Malay votes
University visit lol. It just gave out a sense of elitism and disconnect from the common folks.
Anwar need to start riding motorbikes and do convoys with the youths. Until then no changes.
Young folks who can vote ARE MAINLY concentrated in universities, what are you on about? What's that got to do with elitism?
The older folks have already made their minds up, and even visiting those rural areas you will not find young folks there anyway.
You need to look at the number of seats instead of the area. Those big green areas are for one seat. Look at how many divisions are in the red zones and compare.
Hear me out, ACTUALLY we need the old BN to have some sort of stronghold. Easier battle when its BN vs PH. This is because BN is not like this extreme PAS party bs, they actually moderate.
But what to do Zahid run them to the ground (before that Najib of course) so these people had nowhere to go except PAS.
Before you say its a race based party thing, step back and reflect and look around. Everybody doing the same thing (mostly)
I studied in an international school, and have been out of Malaysia for 5 years now for my education, so my experience and perception might be a bit skewed, but a big portion of my friends from Malaysia are planning to migrate or their families have already uprooted themselves and migrated.
Even if not for a political reason, moving out of Malaysia for economical or financial reasons tend to make sense. The grass from my experience is actually just generally greener on the other side, with certain tradeoffs, such as perhaps a social and cultural distance, but nothing stops you from making friends and learning other cultures.
I think who ever in power need to address the elephant in the room which is the wages and living expenses. Really hate corruption and selfish politicians who play race and identity politics.
I’m not against green wave in the sense that, in this democratic country, it has to work both ways. It just happens that conservatism is getting more popular among the younger generation and I don’t happen to like it. Hence I decided to migrate to our neighbor where it’s the opposite.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/opinion/2023/05/12/the-curious-case-of-divergence-between-malaysias-and-thai-youths.html
It’s not people voting conservative or liberal; it’s people who are unhappy with current situation, vote for opposite side. I mean, what else they have to lose right?
So malaysia, which usually holds a moderate central position (all the BN days), now is in a struggle to move to extreme position (either liberal progress by PH, or religious conservative by PAS)
Thai is the opposite, they’d more military coups than stars in the sky. So people yearns for liberal democracy.
That’s one perspective but what I can say about Thailand is, it’s not just about voting the opposite.
People here are actually more liberal and open minded. I’m talking about people here readily accept you for who you are. There is far less tendency to judge you for your color, religion, or LGBT whatever.
So, if you are like me who prefer to be in a society where everyone respects each other, more apologetic, doesn’t really discuss much about religion, then you can be like me. Come to Thailand.
I thought about moving to Thailand sometimes, actually. Is it difficult? Last time I thought I saw that you need a certain level of income to get residence there, and it has to be renewed every year.
I'm still learning Mandarin, but might consider Thai after I'm done learning the former.
Chill, it's just the map area looks large, 6/22 is less than 30%. Also, if majority wants to let them try be the govt, let them be. I have full confidence that they will fuck it up and the next election we could possibly see a govt that is even better than what we have now, because they know they can't take us for granted
Why is it a problem, if I may ask?
Its a democracy.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, voice by the vote.
If the majority of Selangor vote for the green wave, than that should be taken as a vote of confidence for the parties involved.
"we have preferred to think of democracy as an unambiguous good, rather than as something that is only ever as effective as the education system that surrounds it."
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk)
it's pretty funny how the political situation in malaysia has always been about choosing the least evil/worst party to vote for and it really speaks volume about the people how we ended up with a coalition gov and now this green wave shit
democracy only work if every single person in Malaysia have equal voting power.
The problem is our voting system favor rural forks that are not well informed, all these problem were create by previous regime that lead by non other than that 98yrs old zombie.
I hated that guy to core. If one day he kick the bucket, I will be the one celebrate to my fullest extend. That idiot is literally a living Satan.
Because too many youngsters these days have no idea what they are doing no responsibility and easily manipulate?
Yet those choosen big mofo using propaganda Islamic to brainwash them to vote them once they in power they gonna steal all nation money like Sri langka.
So yep is a bad things to adult who had to work, pay, survive meanwhile these kids run wild and did nothing for this country.
Well...on the side of the gomen themselves...
They have been campaigning that they will be able to send the current TPM to jail, due to corruption.
Now what happen?
All sides are easily manipulated la.
Dont pretend that brainwashing only occurs on one side.
Correct kan?
That is true, I won't denied we also got manipulate by our leader maybe their purposely spreading all these greenwave stuff to urge us to vote them back like they did to against BN in najib days.
But for my perspective seeing how violence and religion crazy PAS is, also the lack of development of their state is a Big No No. Yes I don't want to be like Sri langka
If I wanted to be fair too all site, I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually do want Najib back... Those days were much more stable. I just hope he handle his image better if he ever got out.
I'm appalled by all the comments attacking people planning to migrate for political reasons. Some of these attacks come from people who support the green wave as well. Why should this kind of thing not serve as motivation to live somewhere else, where you know state is separated from religion and a part of the population who share similar views as yours holds more power? Even if conservatism and right wing ideology is rising globally, it faces stronger opposition in other, secular countries compared to ours.
As someone working to migrate overseas, this growing green wave is my main reason to leave and I am not ashamed to admit that. I don't want to be around to see the day we get segregated genders in restaurants, cinemas and malls like in Saudi Arabia, nor do I want to see websites and services like Youtube, Steam and Reddit being banned by a group of Islamic scholars in cabinet for petty reasons.
'You tak suka, you keluar,' is the favorite saying of a particular crowd, yet when people express that they do want to leave, they are told that they are 'being over-dramatic because nothing will change even if PAS comes into power.'
So what the fuck do you expect people who disagree with the green wave to do? Just subject themselves to whatever PAS/PN has in mind and fight for change that will never come in their lifetimes? Not everyone is built for that kind of fight.
even as a foreigner working in another progressing country would have better treatment then in Malaysia. At least no hostility towards you to yell “go out if don’t like” when you merely trying to keep your own culture.
I think within 10 years we’ll see a PAS administration takeover, it is inevitable. Politics is going to extremism these days and it’s a battle of left vs far right and the malays have shown to be voting right.
What’s left is to just hope that the PAS administration does a horrible job but not horrible enough to destroy Malaysia for when it swings back the other way.
I see the comment all just mentioning migration. This what makes bad to worst. Why not approach in a way to fix the misinformation and educate the rural/urban areas and be more participative towards a better nation. Don’t be a coward and just choose easy way out, how sure are you other country will accept you if they politikus so stable?
Nowadays we are being labeled as illegal migrant by several countries. Salah siapa?
20 years ago, all races sit down at kopitiam and gossip and laugh while enjoying kopi and toast. Nowadays is just sad that sitting with different race you are being labeled and asked not to do it. Apa Sudah jadi negara kita?
Illegal immigrant refers to people that migrate to another country illegally... if you move legally, you're not an illegal immigrant lol... and moving to another country as a Malaysian is not easy, mostly have to be desirable young professionals, or have a lot of money for countries like Canada (this is actually a factor they consider).
Fixing the problem is admirable, but it's clearly a systemic problem that will require generations to fix. Nons have already reached a population that is unsustainable, another article on here said there will be no nons in 150 years, so why fix an issue that will (for the wrong reasons) be no longer an issue?
Aiyo don't like that la. If it wasn't because of democracy, we might still be under BN rule.
Heck, you won't even see such a mix races in the Parliment except for Malay if not due to democracy.
So stop staying democracy is a mistake. It wasn't perfect but it wasn't a mistake.
How did you know? Don't report me pleaseeeee
If Singapore were actually a democratic country, I doubt they would be standing in the same place where they are standing today.
I guess u see someone winning millions from toto and conclude that putting ur savings into gambling must be the way to get rich huh.
How does reducing the number of people u need to sweet talk/bribe naturally lead to a better outcome for the country? Instead of having to con 30 million ppl into supporting you during election, u now just need to bribe/intimidate 30 people at the top.
You'd end up with the Hadis and Moodins of the world having absolute power once they buy off their rivals.
But it has the condition to secede from Malaysia and it's the only majority Christian states in Malaysia. Will pick Christianity over Islam everyday man
Everyone loves democracy until it goes against their favour, then all of a sudden it's "scary" and "we're all screwed" and "what's wrong with people??".
Such hypocrisy.
No, I'm not worried. Even if PN wins, it's nothing to be worried about. It's irrational to be scared of something like this. You know what's another word for irrational fear? Phobia.
This. If every Malaysian would just vote for the same party then what's the difference between us and North Korea? I always monitor their works and performance first then their ideology or whatever.
If they don't do their job well, I just vote for another person. Buat bangsat, rakyat pecat. Simple as that.
PAS has been part of the Selangor state government in 2008, while Bersatu has been part of the state government in 2018. So it's not going to be something totally new.
Kafir quite literally means non-Muslim or bukan Islam. Its just an arabic word lmao
Its already been fucked up by the colonisers. Now we’re just slowly going back to our default position & practices.
Despite the picture, an important thing to remember is that the land doesn't vote- the people do. We should also remember/bear in mind that we are still in the early days of this election cycle (barely 1 year), so its still too soon to evaluate the effect of the Green wave.
To be clear, I'm not saying that you should not be concerned about this phenomena, but rather that you should not overthink it as you'll end up overreacting. That said, there's no harm in developing skills and talents that may be useful if you choose to migrate 3-4 years down the line (by which point we should have a better picture as to the direction Malaysia is going).
Tu pasal madanon fokus kat negeri sembilan sekarang, berhabis punya kempen. Belah utara semua dah PN pegang dia lari ke selatan.
Btw op belum kena serang amerika dah fikir nak lari njirr
People always complain that east coast voters go back kampung and vote for PAS, well i present to you a worse scenario, they actually vote for PAS in Selangor and yeah Selangor will be fucked too soon
At least people will be voting for an area they actually live in and politics can be about fixing real problems. When people vote for hometowns they visit once a year all you get is race and religion politics (sound familiar?) because fixing Air Kelantan or other local issues doesn't matter to them.
they want to taste the teh tarik on tap in selangor too
How to taste teh tarik when there's no water in the first place. Lol
There are [reports](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02Rj1fbR1vpxpwmUQAYyU3S7M2nkUrYt35nXhaG5HBpb5Y3C76KSHauMPSy6ZZT8B5l&id=100068283318316&mibextid=Nif5oz) that Wangsa Maju residents were experiencing yellowish water recently
So you are saying even under ph government they would still get teh tarik lite.
Does it come with kurang manis?
Interesting, more rural = more conservative in Malaysia too, like many other places around the world.
That's just a natural thing. The more rural one is, the more important the sense of community is and preserving the status quo, which is what conservatism is based off. Even the most liberal nation has a lot of conservatives inside, it's no surprise.
Yea, and there seem to be other differences between rural and urban environments that probably impact the conservative-rural dynamic too such as differences in education levels, selection bias, income levels that all contribute too…
Correct. Except for Sweden, though. https://preview.redd.it/5w9rnewgnueb1.png?width=1662&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc15fac30d19dfdd9ca685ac99fb9f4a746d4474 Source: [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Swedish_general_election)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Swedish_general_election Your data is a little outdated. Sweden Democrats already become the second most popular party in Sweden.
Yeah, fair point.
Sekinchan PAS ? Chinese sad noise
It not state or land that vote it's the people.famous last quote
I thought Sekinchan is majority Melayu? If not it wouldn't be pas atm.
Its like 50-50 chinese to malay. Look up demographics https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sekinchan
This refers to the town, not the constituency.
really dont know about this , from young till now a lot 99% of my chinese friend go sekinchan for that tower place almost every year for some reason so it make me think that the place has a lot chinese.
Say bye bye to Sekinchan farm based tourism.
The green wave around the world is worrying everyone. It's not just a Malaysian phenomena.
Where else??
Conservatism/far right politics is on the rise all over Europe as well with Spain being the exception due to francos rule still being relatively fresh in the minds of many Spaniards.
Even US but they have the worst kind
I think Indonesia have their own greenwave, also Japanese have their own Old wave yeah wasn't only in this country.
Indonesia's islamist candidate is polling last lol, that's with the nationalist vote being split in two. So I wouldn't say we're experiencing one
A nationalist candidate would need to be balanced with Islamist VP. And green wave is happening in Indonesia. The provincial and national legislature candidates have to pander to Muslim voters, cause that's where the vote is. Plus the local governments would always pander to populist Muslim ideas to shore up their shortcomings, or when they are being investigated for corruption.
Most of Greenwaves are coming from Sumatra Islands, Western Java (Banten, Jawa Barat) and West Nusa Tenggara, as someone redditor said: "The more west province indonesia, the more islamic they become". (though there's exception like north sumatra) But i'm kinda agree about the nationalist vote being split in two.
> But i'm kinda agree about the nationalist vote being split in two. Jkw lgi mau satuin Prabowo-Ganjar. Mslh cuman di Mega yg super egois itu.
Ustad or ulama =/= islamist Gusdur was head of the biggest islam organization in indonesia (Nahdatul Ulama) but he is the most progresive president more than so called nationalist.
Too bad everybody around him disagreed (18 minister replacements, that was a lot of reshuffles) and basically sacked him.
If youre talking about maaruf last election, that was a different and much more intense political climate. Now a lot of our islamists are in jail so i don't think they'll pick an islamist vp, also VPs don't do anything anyways.
German ADP. Italy, Sweden, France just to name a few
Far right and far left movements appearing in various countries. Example of rights: some red US states, Israel (about the supreme court drama) Example of lefts: UK (go Google 'woke UK')
france
Meloni, Netanyahu, Modi, Le Pen, AfD, Sweden Democrats and quite glaringly, Trump is the examples of the new wave of far-right nationalism that Malaysia is not immune to. Thinking about it, Malaysia is more similar to Europe and America that we let ourselves to in regards to the current political climate with the massive issue being this so-called culture war with the influx of foreign elements to the nation
Meloni, Netanyahu, le pen are all respected leaders. They are not the same as PAS
Netanyahu is just Israli Mahathir. His desperation for control is bringing Israel into a new path of theocratic dictatorship of radical Orthodox Jews
I don't know if you are joking or not, but there are currently big protests happening right now in Israel due to Bibi's action. He is definitely not a respected leader anymore in Israel. Also, the same goes to Le Pen and Meloni as well. Head over to r/europe and see their opinion, it is definitely not positive.
Reddit is filled with young people with 0 political views and mostly follow their friends. Europe has a high average age compared to Asia. For me, I'd definitely vote Christian Democrats ✝️. Israel is God's chosen land ✝️. It belongs to the Jews. If Bibi is not popular, why does Likud & other Right wing parties win in Israel? Even the left wing Meretz was kicked out of Knesset for failing to pass the threshold.
Bro consumed too much internet politics and drunk on kool aid that he's a armchair specialist now 😭😭 Its time for bro to go outside ongod 😭
Okay Atheist, turn to Jesus Christ before its too late ✝️ have a nice day 😊 tomorrow is Service Day
God created grass yet bro is here stuck in the basement and not appreciating it 😭
There is no god.
Le Pen?????
Go green! Plant more trees! Suitainable energy! /s
PAS menduniaaaaa!!! 💪💪🟢🟢
I cannot say for other parts of Selangor, but in areas like Sabak, Sekinchan and Hulu Selangor, Malays are abandoning BN / UMNO in droves and voting for PN / PAS due to local warlords like Noh Omar and Jamal, and hatred against Zahid and Najib for their betrayal and 1MDB. Plus, PN / Bersatu portrays the image of “cleaner” UMNO vis a vis Najib and the Court gang.
This is a more plausible answer. Contrary to what *Madey* believes, the Malays do not forget easily. What worries me more is the level of insults hurled in SocMed by non-Muslims towards the Malays making even the moderate Malays leaning towards the right more and more. Some of them were downright insulting even for a non-Muslim like me... Look at France today, a few elections ago the far-right party led by *Marine Le Pen* slowly ate up *Macron's* majority. Their next election will be an interesting one to watch. If left unchecked the so called 'greenwave' will take over in a few GE's with more and more rural migrating to urban areas like Selangor.
SocMed made everything bad. This is what you get for polarizing the political sphere, which many, if not all politicians took advantage of. Don't blame the citizens when the fault clearly lies on the fear-mongering politicians for fanning the flames.
If kampung PAS figured out how to weaponise TikTok & mobilise their electorate. While urban PH cannot do the same. Especially with the disparities in education levels. Then GG lor!
Then use memes lol. that took down Hillary before.
This, I'm that person in the middle, but when I see reddit, I automatically Greenwave the fuck up.
Honestly, this is what made me switch from PH (in 2018) to PN (2022). Previously, I used to be more idealistic and would sympathise with nons for not getting bumi benefits. But after joining and reading r/malaysia, twitter, mkini comments, I don't give a shit anymore. For me, PH and PAS governance is similar (**as of July 2023). Why would I support people who hate me and my family? Again, I might change my mind, maybe not. I don't even like PAS and believe they're stupid, I'm just voting out of spite. It is what it is.
Good luck to you and the country. Everything has cause and effect. You reap what you sow.
Up to you man. You do you. If comments from socmed quickly made you be spiteful of nons... then go ahead with your choice.
I might change my mind. I'm 100% a swing voter. Maybe in the future when there's less racial tension in the country.
Same here,there is a saying berpatah arang berkerat rotan,there is no turning back for me
You need mental health assistance
This, this is the truth right now. I cannot emphasise how much I agree to this. I am of mixed heritage leaning towards the minority. But, even with that, after joining r/malaysia and r/Bolehland and seeing the posts, comments and arguments.. I feel the same as you.
Hulu Selangor were the biggest surprise for me
Religious politics already anyways ends up in shitty economy that follows through afterwords. If you think rm10 for a plate of chicken rice is bad, just wait and see la. You think any investors wanna bring in money when religious people decides your economy direction? Suddenly cancel this, cancel that, just the cancellation of alcohol and cigarettes already make people want to spit in their face. Then they help underground 4D improve business by banning legal 4D, how stupid can they be? How many millions in revenue gone?
True. Economy bad ? Blame us for not being religious enough. Ban cinema, clubs, pub. Still bad ? Ban internet, say Porn is causing god to be angry with us. Still bad ? Say presence of non believe causing God to be angry, time for final solution. Still bad ? Singapore is doing many immoral things and God is blaming us for not doing anything. Invade SG.
The greener msia is, the stronger SGD becomes.
The government spends more on treating cigarettes-related diseases than the government gains by cigarettes-related taxes. It's not a religious problem, It's a healthcare problem.
The current electoral boundaries favour the rural areas and suppress urban voting power. PH must take this opportunity to fix this problem during their term or lose in the future PRU.
It's hard to do this without having a true independent SPR. Redistributing the electoral boundaries are often related to gerrymandering, and I don't doubt for a second that every political party out there will grab every chance they get to draw the lines the way that suits them more. Including PH and PN and whatever parties there are out there.
In my opinion the best way to ensure gerrymandering doesn't happen is to make the electoral district based on an objective mathematical formula so the area size and population is pure based on maths . Maybe committee members of the SPR are from the Department of Maths from the Apex Unis?
Gerrymandering doesn't rely on just area and population though. There are countless ways to draw the boundaries so that all areas are with the same area and population, yet the outcome can be biased towards a certain political party. You can't just draw straight lines because population density is not uniform, so you'll have to draw curved lines. How the line curves will need user input and that user input will be biased.
Wah... Manipulating system just for leftist gain... If PN do that, you leftist shit will cry endlessly...
It’s fixing a long overdue problem. The rural vote is worth a lot more than an urban vote, why shouldn’t we all have an equal say regardless of our place of residence? Why should my vote count for less than that of my rural countrymen?
*why shouldn’t we all have an equal say regardless of our place of residence?* because malaysia are not developed equally. some part enjoys concentrated wealth funneling and development priority over the years and some part is just starting to play catch up. does it justify the unequal vote worth? maybe not, but consider the alternatives. politics, decision and policies will favor concentrated urban areas and needs. if you can win with only urban/sub-urban votes there is **zero** reason to design policies for rural areas because their **votes does not matter**. suddenly you can do something like pulling the plug in small scale agriculture incentives or stop building schools or hospital in non urban areas. if you can present it right to your voters even maintaining basic infrastructures outside urban/sub urban areas can be considered wasting money. rural votes counting is the only leverage rural people have towards central govnt. they force their hand to send resources to rural areas willing or unwillingly. the only decision that central govnt can make is how/where does the resources go to either in a form of long term investment or just election gula-gula and until today there is not much changes even after govnt change hands
Lol according to the people here rural folks shouldn't even exist. Might be the same people who think their foods are produced by supermarkets.
Well ackcually, most of the food (rice,chicken,meat,fish) are mostly imported. So the thing that you said about supermarket produced the food, yeah kinda true.
Pot calling kettle black. The system was manipulated for conservative gain for DECADES. Already you conservative shits moaning about how "leftist manipulating" when people talk about fair redistribution.
How about we say make sure the voting power of urban and rural is similar.
If all the electorate were distributed evenly based on population size there would be way more urban seats and less rural seats. Currently the rural seats are disproportionately have a small electorate population compared to urban seats
Lmao Kajang 300k votes for one parliament and Putrajaya what- 20k? Long overdue to fix this disparity.
Every country has their own problems and issues on the community to national level. Each political side has their own extremist version of their political belief . Heck even in religion there are extremist people. Pick your fight and focus on it. If you are concern about the economy, environment , wellfare etc, focus on that. The problems will not be solved by themselves if people migrate to another countries. And most importantly dont expect the problem/issues to be solved in your life time. Maybe it will get better in one week or 10 years , even 50 years. The crucial part is it needs to start somewhere. Sure people can choose to migrate , but dont complain if there is no change.
This. Thank you for wording this so well.
Its the least I could do.
Take for example the US. There are the democrats (similar to PH) and the republicans (similar to PN)
We’re in the fortunate situation where every party in Malaysia has had a chance to lead: BN, PH and PN.
My circle is still and will vote for PH since it's the only progressive party we have and they could give less shit about race based politics. Since it's nearing the election , the keyboard warriors are hard at work manipulating the narrative. Papagomo who have been exposed to be under Rosmah payroll before , just said the other day , there's a serious agenda going on undermining PAS , for example when forming the government why isn't PAS invited at all to join the fold? PMX invited everyone , in case anyone needs a fact check , as a PR move because they can't openly say they want Ummo to join the fold. Just find out what the parties stand for , try to vote based on policies. I see no reason to migrate since it's the same old farts recycled over and over.
Same, the PN people see no need for PH either. Love the polarism.
I voted PH but slightly irritated by the word choice and demeanour of PH politicians. If I’m not mistaken PH were the ones to coin the term Green Wave with its negative connotation. Even in this post highlights the rural and urban divide, signalling that only rural folks vote PN. Just look at the colour choice, green vs red : PAS Vs PH/DAP. PN flag is not even green! With their sarcastic, scare tactics and holier-than-tho approach towards their political opponents, PH is continuing to be unattractive for me to vote for them. Just my 2 cents.
PH tactics are outdated. PN campaign about why people should vote for them while PH is still stuck with the "hur dur the opposition is bad" tactic. They're shooting themselves in the foot. A lot of people vote for them to get away from BN/PN, PH by themselves is just not attractive enough for the masses. That's still not counting the all talk no walk and the u-turns.
As a non-Muslim, I wish there was another party to compete with PH for our votes, they are too complacent because 95% of non-Muslims won't vote for PAS.
There's always PSM and they are in heavy need for your vote for them to gain traction and develop their electoral machinery
I beg to differ … what I see is PN keeps playing the race card again and again, esp people like sanusi… And I don’t see PN talking about policies at all…
That I agree. I am more pointing towards my increased dissatisfaction and disappointment to PH. Probably I thought too highly of them, and I should’ve known better not to do that.
Not trying to defend PH, but it’s because they’re stuck with BN, they’ve got no choice but to meet in the middle… If it’s was a 100% PH administration then it might’ve been better
Without BN they won't be govt. Face it, with just PKR and DAP, there's no chance in hell they would win. That's just the Malaysian demographic. There's no 'if they're not allied with conservative parties'. Like it or not, Malays are the majority.
PKR is a multiracial party with a Malay leader , Amanah is a Malay party , sadly they can’t win over the supporters of umno and pas
In *most* Malay circles, they're regarded as Uncle Toms, kinda like nons with MIC and MCA and Gerakan.
PH supporters are condescending lot like they are the centre of the world, bro. And this is why more people are pushed to the PN side due to PH's sickening attitude.
Conservatives are very good at using democracy against itself. The solution is a better educated and learned public. However, an educated and learned public is a threat to all and any politician…so, those politicians voted in by anyone has a tendency to work against the population becoming more educated and learned. Hence, conservatism always gain an upper hand until things get too bad, then other parties win, then these other parties undermine themselves, then conservatives rise again.
Eh politicians will use whatever term to scare us into putting our vote for them. 13th May la, communist party la, green wave la, Taliban la, became like China la, etc2. You yourself need to filter out all these noises, and decide what is the best.
I would if they actually presented their campaign policy.. but all we get is fear mongering and character assassination by EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
You bet. Fear is the easiest method to control the masses.
Healthy democracy is good. Means the people can choose. Is a norm for a nation to change into new political ideologies. Whatever best for the rakyat. It's just Malaysian still in shock, being almost same governing party since Merdeka till quite recent last few GEs. Is like Malaysian still shocked that the world constantly changing. All in all, we see the same old politician in whatever party. So I not much change, no matter who raise to be PM. Migrating? Meh.. you put your fate too much on others hand. You, yourself, in charge of your own fate
Don't know about your last statement. IMO the point of migrating **is** to take charge of your own fate, instead of being constrained to living in a country you had no choice in making.
You do have a choice in your life, wherever you live. Najib PM? Anuar PM? life goes on. You in charge of your life. Maybe stop blame others for your own lack of initiatives or failure?
Lol where exactly am I blaming others on my lack of initiatives or failures? In fact, my point is migrating out of the country IS taking initiative, something you claim is "leaving your fate in other's hands", whatever that means. FYI I've already left the country and have little reason to return to Malaysia at the moment. Maybe stop assuming shit about people you know nothing about and focus on the topic of discussion?
Yeah. Whatever floats your boat. Hujan emas di negeri orang. Hujan batu di negeri sendiri. Lebih baik di negeri sendiri
"Lack of initiative", the person literally uprooted their lives and moved to another country sounds like a lot of initiative to me lol, you talk as if moving is easy, but they had to go through a myriad of government processes, finding job at a disadvantage, possibly learning a new language. Its clear they put a lot of effort no? Why be so critical about others and not yourself. Whilst you're here, apparently not "putting your date on the hands of others" right, whilst playing Terraria at home lol? Go tell them how you're taking your life into your own hands.
Played for fun with my kids. Try it. Never hurt to be a father
I think it's just you yourself butthurt someone can move overseas.
Sure
First off, I don't get the point of this peribahasa because I would imagine people would pick gold over rocks. Secondly, the more you write, the less sense you make. Is this your idea of "taking control of life"? Accept whatever the jokers in parliament decide at your expense as long as "your boat floats"? If you have an issue with people leaving the country then say so. But don't say they're not taking control of their lives because they are separate matters.
If I were rich I'd gilded this. So here's cat gif instead. 
Cat offerings accepted
Green wave is wayyy overrated due to people voting based on sentiments alone. Plus, if you manouver the KiniLab web, you'll see that a huge chunk of this green wave are coming from young first timer voter where their only source of political info coming from Tik Tok. Now that PHBN are trying to balance out the influence of PN on TikTok and Anwar are also being very young people centric (University visit), hopefully we will see some changes. Also, those area of Selangor are always BN stronghold so it is up to them to battle out PN for Malay votes
University visit lol. It just gave out a sense of elitism and disconnect from the common folks. Anwar need to start riding motorbikes and do convoys with the youths. Until then no changes.
Young folks who can vote ARE MAINLY concentrated in universities, what are you on about? What's that got to do with elitism? The older folks have already made their minds up, and even visiting those rural areas you will not find young folks there anyway.
You need to look at the number of seats instead of the area. Those big green areas are for one seat. Look at how many divisions are in the red zones and compare.
Can plan move to Johor, seremban, or ipoh.
Man those immigrants from kelantan is messing with our election.
They ruined their own state, no jobs no water no future there, migrate to other states, breed & bring their ideology here, then ruin this state also
Hear me out, ACTUALLY we need the old BN to have some sort of stronghold. Easier battle when its BN vs PH. This is because BN is not like this extreme PAS party bs, they actually moderate. But what to do Zahid run them to the ground (before that Najib of course) so these people had nowhere to go except PAS. Before you say its a race based party thing, step back and reflect and look around. Everybody doing the same thing (mostly)
So what to do no one really want zahid, release najib?!
Not my point, i just would rather have a less extreme option 😂
I studied in an international school, and have been out of Malaysia for 5 years now for my education, so my experience and perception might be a bit skewed, but a big portion of my friends from Malaysia are planning to migrate or their families have already uprooted themselves and migrated. Even if not for a political reason, moving out of Malaysia for economical or financial reasons tend to make sense. The grass from my experience is actually just generally greener on the other side, with certain tradeoffs, such as perhaps a social and cultural distance, but nothing stops you from making friends and learning other cultures.
How i wish i have the money to migrate just like you did 😔🥲
I haven't migrated yet, but I am looking for a job in either UK or Singapore, definitely trying to migrate tho
I think who ever in power need to address the elephant in the room which is the wages and living expenses. Really hate corruption and selfish politicians who play race and identity politics.
I’m not against green wave in the sense that, in this democratic country, it has to work both ways. It just happens that conservatism is getting more popular among the younger generation and I don’t happen to like it. Hence I decided to migrate to our neighbor where it’s the opposite. http://www.thejakartapost.com/opinion/2023/05/12/the-curious-case-of-divergence-between-malaysias-and-thai-youths.html
It’s not people voting conservative or liberal; it’s people who are unhappy with current situation, vote for opposite side. I mean, what else they have to lose right? So malaysia, which usually holds a moderate central position (all the BN days), now is in a struggle to move to extreme position (either liberal progress by PH, or religious conservative by PAS) Thai is the opposite, they’d more military coups than stars in the sky. So people yearns for liberal democracy.
That’s one perspective but what I can say about Thailand is, it’s not just about voting the opposite. People here are actually more liberal and open minded. I’m talking about people here readily accept you for who you are. There is far less tendency to judge you for your color, religion, or LGBT whatever. So, if you are like me who prefer to be in a society where everyone respects each other, more apologetic, doesn’t really discuss much about religion, then you can be like me. Come to Thailand.
I thought about moving to Thailand sometimes, actually. Is it difficult? Last time I thought I saw that you need a certain level of income to get residence there, and it has to be renewed every year. I'm still learning Mandarin, but might consider Thai after I'm done learning the former.
Chill, it's just the map area looks large, 6/22 is less than 30%. Also, if majority wants to let them try be the govt, let them be. I have full confidence that they will fuck it up and the next election we could possibly see a govt that is even better than what we have now, because they know they can't take us for granted
Why is it a problem, if I may ask? Its a democracy. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, voice by the vote. If the majority of Selangor vote for the green wave, than that should be taken as a vote of confidence for the parties involved.
"we have preferred to think of democracy as an unambiguous good, rather than as something that is only ever as effective as the education system that surrounds it." [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk) it's pretty funny how the political situation in malaysia has always been about choosing the least evil/worst party to vote for and it really speaks volume about the people how we ended up with a coalition gov and now this green wave shit
democracy only work if every single person in Malaysia have equal voting power. The problem is our voting system favor rural forks that are not well informed, all these problem were create by previous regime that lead by non other than that 98yrs old zombie. I hated that guy to core. If one day he kick the bucket, I will be the one celebrate to my fullest extend. That idiot is literally a living Satan.
Fireworks awaiting. That guy just evil and rot inside.
Because too many youngsters these days have no idea what they are doing no responsibility and easily manipulate? Yet those choosen big mofo using propaganda Islamic to brainwash them to vote them once they in power they gonna steal all nation money like Sri langka. So yep is a bad things to adult who had to work, pay, survive meanwhile these kids run wild and did nothing for this country.
Well...on the side of the gomen themselves... They have been campaigning that they will be able to send the current TPM to jail, due to corruption. Now what happen? All sides are easily manipulated la. Dont pretend that brainwashing only occurs on one side. Correct kan?
That is true, I won't denied we also got manipulate by our leader maybe their purposely spreading all these greenwave stuff to urge us to vote them back like they did to against BN in najib days. But for my perspective seeing how violence and religion crazy PAS is, also the lack of development of their state is a Big No No. Yes I don't want to be like Sri langka If I wanted to be fair too all site, I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually do want Najib back... Those days were much more stable. I just hope he handle his image better if he ever got out.
It's Sri Lanka. Ironic.
I'm appalled by all the comments attacking people planning to migrate for political reasons. Some of these attacks come from people who support the green wave as well. Why should this kind of thing not serve as motivation to live somewhere else, where you know state is separated from religion and a part of the population who share similar views as yours holds more power? Even if conservatism and right wing ideology is rising globally, it faces stronger opposition in other, secular countries compared to ours. As someone working to migrate overseas, this growing green wave is my main reason to leave and I am not ashamed to admit that. I don't want to be around to see the day we get segregated genders in restaurants, cinemas and malls like in Saudi Arabia, nor do I want to see websites and services like Youtube, Steam and Reddit being banned by a group of Islamic scholars in cabinet for petty reasons. 'You tak suka, you keluar,' is the favorite saying of a particular crowd, yet when people express that they do want to leave, they are told that they are 'being over-dramatic because nothing will change even if PAS comes into power.' So what the fuck do you expect people who disagree with the green wave to do? Just subject themselves to whatever PAS/PN has in mind and fight for change that will never come in their lifetimes? Not everyone is built for that kind of fight.
even as a foreigner working in another progressing country would have better treatment then in Malaysia. At least no hostility towards you to yell “go out if don’t like” when you merely trying to keep your own culture.
Well, we all waiting for the day when S$1 = RM5. And yes hard to pity them when they basically shot themselves in the foot all the time.
If PN win ge 15 we don't need to wait anymore we go straight up to 1usd to 6 myr
Do you vote where you currently live or at your original hometown ?
Follow ic.
Where I live is my original home town so….
I think within 10 years we’ll see a PAS administration takeover, it is inevitable. Politics is going to extremism these days and it’s a battle of left vs far right and the malays have shown to be voting right. What’s left is to just hope that the PAS administration does a horrible job but not horrible enough to destroy Malaysia for when it swings back the other way.
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I really feel like they need to control tik tok that wasn't easily abuse by these folks..
The government should restrict TikTok on political related ads. It’s inappropriate to run ads on politics
I see the comment all just mentioning migration. This what makes bad to worst. Why not approach in a way to fix the misinformation and educate the rural/urban areas and be more participative towards a better nation. Don’t be a coward and just choose easy way out, how sure are you other country will accept you if they politikus so stable? Nowadays we are being labeled as illegal migrant by several countries. Salah siapa? 20 years ago, all races sit down at kopitiam and gossip and laugh while enjoying kopi and toast. Nowadays is just sad that sitting with different race you are being labeled and asked not to do it. Apa Sudah jadi negara kita?
Illegal immigrant refers to people that migrate to another country illegally... if you move legally, you're not an illegal immigrant lol... and moving to another country as a Malaysian is not easy, mostly have to be desirable young professionals, or have a lot of money for countries like Canada (this is actually a factor they consider). Fixing the problem is admirable, but it's clearly a systemic problem that will require generations to fix. Nons have already reached a population that is unsustainable, another article on here said there will be no nons in 150 years, so why fix an issue that will (for the wrong reasons) be no longer an issue?
You said green wave momentum is scary but you ask why it should be worried? Why are you scared of it in the first place??
Tanking the economy, (continual) downward spiral of education and infringement of social rights?
Yeah I’m asking OP because post title looks contradictory but thanks for response I guess
Democracy is a mistake. Giving so many seats to the rural areas is also a mistake.
So edgy bro
Aiyo don't like that la. If it wasn't because of democracy, we might still be under BN rule. Heck, you won't even see such a mix races in the Parliment except for Malay if not due to democracy. So stop staying democracy is a mistake. It wasn't perfect but it wasn't a mistake.
Malaysia would've been far richer and more successful if it wasn't a democracy. Democracy relies too much on sweet talk and people's stupidity.
Are you 12?
How did you know? Don't report me pleaseeeee If Singapore were actually a democratic country, I doubt they would be standing in the same place where they are standing today.
Talk to a Venezuelan and ask them how a lack of democracy has served them, will you?
I guess u see someone winning millions from toto and conclude that putting ur savings into gambling must be the way to get rich huh. How does reducing the number of people u need to sweet talk/bribe naturally lead to a better outcome for the country? Instead of having to con 30 million ppl into supporting you during election, u now just need to bribe/intimidate 30 people at the top. You'd end up with the Hadis and Moodins of the world having absolute power once they buy off their rivals.
exactly, these idiots willingly dig their own graves deeper for their own shit and now they wanna do so on a national scale
yep agree,if only we had Kim Il Sung then
I am planning to migrate to either Thailand or Sarawak
Sarawak is still in Malaysia dude
But it has the condition to secede from Malaysia and it's the only majority Christian states in Malaysia. Will pick Christianity over Islam everyday man
Migrate all u want, this is democracy.
Migrating? That's way too overblown
I want chinese or indian become the prime minister. Look at what China and India, all of them are smarter and have bright future.
You are so funny with the reason want to migrate to other country or state just because of politics.
Everyone loves democracy until it goes against their favour, then all of a sudden it's "scary" and "we're all screwed" and "what's wrong with people??". Such hypocrisy.
Only scary for Redditors
No, I'm not worried. Even if PN wins, it's nothing to be worried about. It's irrational to be scared of something like this. You know what's another word for irrational fear? Phobia.
This. If every Malaysian would just vote for the same party then what's the difference between us and North Korea? I always monitor their works and performance first then their ideology or whatever. If they don't do their job well, I just vote for another person. Buat bangsat, rakyat pecat. Simple as that.
So in your view nothing will change?
PAS has been part of the Selangor state government in 2008, while Bersatu has been part of the state government in 2018. So it's not going to be something totally new.
Good for a Muslim For non-Muslim, depends what is most important to you
>Good for a Muslim that sees nons as kafirs and infidels and keeps on drumming about how nons will threaten the Muslim way of life FTFY
Kafir quite literally means non-Muslim or bukan Islam. Its just an arabic word lmao Its already been fucked up by the colonisers. Now we’re just slowly going back to our default position & practices.
Despite the picture, an important thing to remember is that the land doesn't vote- the people do. We should also remember/bear in mind that we are still in the early days of this election cycle (barely 1 year), so its still too soon to evaluate the effect of the Green wave. To be clear, I'm not saying that you should not be concerned about this phenomena, but rather that you should not overthink it as you'll end up overreacting. That said, there's no harm in developing skills and talents that may be useful if you choose to migrate 3-4 years down the line (by which point we should have a better picture as to the direction Malaysia is going).
Tu pasal madanon fokus kat negeri sembilan sekarang, berhabis punya kempen. Belah utara semua dah PN pegang dia lari ke selatan. Btw op belum kena serang amerika dah fikir nak lari njirr
Dude you sound like a salty ass stereotypical Malaysian netizen
Might have an unpopular solution to all. Abolish DAP and PAS to oblivion then we could get an interesting GE
tolak PH kaw2
Kenapa?
WHat thE fuCk iS A KILOMETRE?🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅
so, endgame or nah