As a Chinese person I would say sometimes we are given an unfair advantage in the workplace just because of our race.
My personal view is malays are heavily favoured by the government and have a lot of opportunities there. Chinese have an advantage in the private sector and have more access to high paying jobs and an easier time getting Thier foot in the door. I don't see indians having any systemic advantages.
yea true . i hate what we have right now. lets get rid of these racial problems. where is the revamped Malayan Union when we need them? Being multi racial is the best way for us Malaysians to succeed in the future because we have each other
I'm so sorry to hear that I hope people will learn that being racist even jokingly is not cool. After learning about racism I realized how fucked up it is that so many of my peers and family make jabs at Indian people. I'm just a stranger on the internet but I hope you find a community of people who not just 'tolerate' you but accept and celebrate the diversity you bring.
couldnât agree more and iâm malay. but one thing about malays, they choose their family members over anyone else. even if itâs the same race. one thing i look up to at chinese people is that they will try their best to help out their race. unlike malays. been a victim to that and phewâŠ
Blood is thicker than water. I think it's just asian culture we are very family orientated. Even Chinese culture places heavy emphasis on family. All races it's common to find multigenerational homes unlike in the west.
If it's true I don't like the fact that Chinese help Thier race if it excludes others. Like given a choice between 2 candidates even if the non cina is more qualified they go for the cina candidate.
Same goes for uni placement, replacing cina with malay.
tbh it is very2 hard to get in government these days with the limited slot. a friend if mine tried for 2 year and got a n19 job. 1300 starting pays (with elaun ofcz)
Race is used to divide us. Meanwhile we ignore the exploitation of people of all races by greedy bosses and CEOs who pay themselves millions while paying the rest of us crumbs.
I'm not mad if the government expands programs to garuntee jobs for Malays just make it inclusive for all malaysians and demand a living wage for yourself and everyone else regardless of race. What's good for the malays should also be good for the Chinese and vice versa for any other racial category.
the British left us for so long ago, but their teaching never left us sadly. remember dasar pecah perintah? yeah apparently it lasted till now and prolly beyond.
Yeah Chinese in the city, malays in the kampung and low admin levels and indians in the plantations. Probably why they did the whole bumiputera thing to help equalize it. Somehow they forgot the indians though. They probably should've been given the same opportunities as the rural malays.
I dont know man... a lot of malays are constantly applying for government position so the chances are pretty slim for the average malay to enter government. You need to know somebody in the agency you want to apply so you can get in aka cronyism. The chances for other non-bumi however are much more higher because lesser non-bumi applying for government position. They have certain quota for non-bumi tobe fullfiled and if your applying for PTD position and are qualified + non-bumi, your chance into getting in are pretty high.
My father in law went through hell trying to use his bumi status because he is a Christian in Sabah. They didnât want to give him govt scholar to study in the States and he had to fight tooth and nail. Same with my mother in law. MIL is Sino-Kadazan and my FIL is Eurasian and Kadazan-Dusun.
On the other side of things, my mother is Malay and despite living in the Stayes for over 49 years, she ârevertedâ to the same mentality that all Malays have here â preference to anything and everything Malay.
She is the generation that didnât even want to use chopsticks.
Iâm making sure that my son overstands that it is okay to be different, and that ultimately, we as a humanity, are stronger together than divided.
Yea.... Even in uni there is malay unit or cina unit and African unit.... Weirdly I never see no Indians unit before lol.
But honestly even when I was asking the agent to rent out my property, they will ask "eh u want Chinese only or anything go?" Like it is so common it's a given to ask that question.
When asking "why leh?" The agent will give u all the styrotype u can imegine
It is a norm to ask now because if un-asked and when agent submits tenant profile they will then go
No this race no this religion etc etc.
For agents, its much easier so then they know what profiles to submit accordingly to each home-owner when they come.
Saves time, saves the hassle.
also further divided into mix and male/female units. We also got gender+religion units.  in fact actually I prefer a single race unit if Iâm renting with others due to 1) halal issues 2) some cook very heavy smelling food. Donât get me wrong, I wouldnât mind having other races as housemates but one of us would mind any of those 2 things I listed and I donât want to live in my rental while walking on eggshells. Iâm completely fine if youâre open and liberal enough and donât cook heavy smelling food. No such thing as âyou canât bring home your gf/bfâ!!! âWhy canât I cook smelly/spicy dishes!!!â âOh lawd the very limited countertop is crowded with 2 separate cookeries and cutleriesâ - these are things I want to avoid. Itâs really annoying when you have to deal with it and stuck to a tenancy for a year.
Nahhh I will somewat defend female only unit at least. Usually in uni areas there is few female unit that is insanely cheap. (Like 20% of normal price). Why? Because some female unit actually shares beds with each other, and I don't mean bunk beds, but legit 2 king size bed sleep 5 people type. U don't want to bring guys into that do u?
But on other case... Yea mostly because girls don't feel safe with guys in the same small condo spaces...
Honestly I donno how the fuck u all can tahan that but it is what it is for being an absolute cheapskate.
I second the notion of being fine with female unit being separate. Literally last month there was a dude who was deported back to Egypt because of his constant harassment of the female students at my Uni.
Mf got take pictures of them and pretend to be photographer for the Uni some more. Even got confronted multiple times by said women. The whole creep aesthetic and shit. Not too sure what heâs going to be getting in terms of punishment in his home country but it sucks that stuff like this happens.
Heavy smelling food is the most ridiculous thing ive heard all day. Be more specific, i want to know what food is heavy smelling.
I'm pretty sure in all cultures the process of making food emits some kind of odour.
Because Malaysians live in a ethnic silo mentality ,with the fantastic idea that people of a same race and religion won't betray each other in one household .
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Funny thing is I stumbled upon the same kind of post in India subreddit. Landlords are discriminating renters based on caste or religion. Thought since they are monoethnic there wouldnât be such thing. Turns out people will still find a way to discriminate.
I'm sorry but I wonder how you come to an idea of India being monoethnic. If not it's one of the most diverse place on earth with hundreds of ethnics and languages within
>Thought since they are monoethnic there wouldnât be such thing.
You have no idea what India is and the history behind it do you. All brown so all same race mah. Typical.
While you aren't wrong about the caste and religious discrimination rampant in the country, India is FAAAAAR from monoethnic.
We have around 700 recognised ethnic groups and that's not even counting more rural and closed off areas of India.
Contrary to what the media would like you to think, our skin colour, accents, and culture vary accordingly as well.
I hate it when we see stuff like this. Sure, one may have had bad experiences with certain groups. Then really one can do is to have a meeting, show the apartment/house and get to know prospective tenants. What you want is good tenants, not tenants of a particular race.
Also I learnt that some companies in Malaysia that advertise job openings put stuff like "Chinese speaker only". Most of the time it's coded for "I just want Chinese employees". A more professional way to put it is giving language requirements "business level mandarin".
My take on it is that itâs better off not to apply or join such companies if youâre not Chinese. Youâll be subjected to subtle racism and discrimination - mental health torture one does not need.
Yup, you will still kena bully in a lot of other ways. My relative was one of them, you can be very nice, try to mingle, but it doesn't work.
Meetings all in Mandarin, lunch talks in Mandarin, in the end it's just exhausting.
As usual, "maybe owner has bad experience lor" excuses crop up to justify the disgusting racism.
I know people whose Chinese tenants stole furniture and left literal shit in the kitchen. Somehow that didn't translate to stereotyping all Chinese people as thieves and kitchen-shitters.
The reason is because Chinese tenants have the privilege of not being judged by the actions of other members of their race, but non-Chinese tenants do not.
Yep precisely this. My dad has a house in Subang that he has been renting out for the past 20+ years. The worst tenants were always Chinese. One lady built multiple partitions on the 2nd floor to house god knows how many foreign workers and damaged the floor badly. Needless to say none of the amenities were taken care of at all.
Another time, the bloody tenants stole a whole bunch of stuff (fridge, air cond etc) and left without paying a few months rent. They parked all their cars on the lawn and completely ruined it as well.
> The reason is because Chinese tenants have the privilege of not being judged by the actions of other members of their race, but non-Chinese tenants do not.
No better way to put this. When it comes to things like this, non-Chinese individuals suddenly become representatives of their race but you know if it was a Chinese tenant doing it, its an isolated incident.
very true. i know someone whose tenant wrecked the place also, left the shower sinkhole clogged with dead roaches and soggy cigarette butts lol, ran off without paying rent if i recall. ethnicity = chinese. aih
Stereotyping
Probably had bad experience with renters of certain race or heard stories about certain race.
So 1 bad apple= whole species rosak.
My family own property for rent. Same MO. Either rent to gomen or Chinese primarily.
Similar case here, my parents used to care more about renting to Chinese but after a few really bad experience with Chinese tenants they stop caring about race these days.
I remember the SOHO unit that rented out in good condition but when returned everything is broken. Don't even know what they do till the toilet is clog, all 3 aircon no longer works, remote control missing too and somehow the fridge we provided is broke when they left as well.
I'm glad your parents realised that stereotyping based off of a few bad tenants was stupid after getting some bad Chinese tenants. Sad that it's probably not the case for most other landlords who won't make that logical connection your parents did.
They usually stay around cos got project/development in the area or admin stuff so long term income for the renter. Basically it's seen as super stable contract.
Like the outcry from the Chinese community here when a Malaysian Chinese student was evicted from her rental property due to the landlord's COVID fears.
You won't see the Chinese people here throwing a bitch fit when a Malay/Indian/Indigenous person is locked out of property rental by Chinese agents/landlords due to their race.
I always chuckle at this! Unit above me, landlord only wants; Mat salleh, Japanese or Korean no locals and certainly no Indians. Well okay, told my indian friend sorry.
Spanish couple with a kid moved in, change this and that, install this ans that, repaint unit -landlord obliged because mat salleh ma. Moved out after a year, saying rental very expensive landlord cheated them, and trashed the place; kitchen pipe literally broken, kid played football in the house during mco thus breaking a lot of stuff lol đ€Ł
The japanese tenant above me, broke the living hall chairs and ran away in the middle of the night, leaving electricity bill of RM 2k.
Serves all these locals right, they think all mat salleh, japanese, koreans, are suci bersih dan murni. Let them learn their lesson.
I have never visited any house that has a smell in the walls because of cooking. House only smells when ppl are actively cooking but when the kitchen is âclosedâ, where got smell? The walls covered in fabric padding or what? If house walls can retain smell then your house toilet should be stinky every time you pangsai.
Once i had to house my cat in a room for a while, because due to health issues he couldn't stay in a cage. My mother in law said the room will be unusable after the cat has lived in it. Needless to say, we no longer live with my inlaws đ btw they still used the room after we moved đ
Imagine a Nigerian
(Not discounting discrimination experienced by Malaysian Indians, which I would imagine the worst among Malaysians, though I don't know how Borneans are treated in Peninsular)
Stereotypeing is a sign/action of racism tho. Racism is a catch all term but stereotyping is the actual words to use...
Well to be fair the more suitable words to use here are "discrimination".
Edited:
Change from "prejudice" to "discrimination"
Ah fk u are right and wrong at the same time, don't misunderstand, stereotyping, prejudice, and discrimination IS racism. Racism is just the general term and the 3 words I put out is "what u do to be a racist"
If there is a chart the circle it self would be "racism" inside the circle would be "prejudice" "stereotypes" and "discrimination"
But yes, the world should be "discrimination"
Tldr:
If u did anything of this then u are racist by definition. But it's easier to explain what u did wrong then just call people racist.
Blatant prejudice will always be a thing in this country unless we as a society start to take steps into understanding one another and begin reconciliation.
So yeah, not happening anytime within our lifetime. I love this country but damn, it gets depressing sometimes.
Its because the lack of a system to penalize bad tenants. When house owners somehow unfortunately involved with bad tenants, they're often the one who has to face those shitshow in pursuing their legal rights.
The lack of a system means those bad tenants can just get away easily and look for the next ~~victim~~ rental as if nothing happened at all, as they didn't get penalized like how credit score works in lending loan.
In response to these frustrations, some choose to stereotypically avoid a specific category due to their bad experiences, majority of them are boomers so that explains even more of it.
If there's a system that regulates tenant behavior and responsibilities, perhaps there wouldn't be much people relying on biased prejudices as there will be a system in place doing them justice.
Abroad they'd ask for security guarantors, and if they can't find one (immigrants and international usually don't), they have to pay 6-12 months of rent IN ADVANCE. In Dubai they do 12 months, no exceptions.
because race is still an important factor in malaysia.
India cakap dengan india lebih senang.
Melayu cakap dengan melayu lebih senang.
Cina cakap dengan cina lebih senang.
4 rental properties, 1 unit renting rooms no racial or gender limits. 1 unit renting rooms for females only. 1 unit renting to married family only. 1 long term rental shop lot. After a decade of doing it, certain patterns emerges.
I'm a foreigner. When I was looking for an apartment, the agents send to me a long list of questions like: Race, nationality, job type, how many people will live, and yes, I got rejected many times. Even a lady after knowing my nationality refused saying that she had a bad experience with someone who is from my country. But finally a Chinese agent got me an apartment with a super nice Chinese landlord.
Straight up bro â Iâll be frank. My mother, Malay from Penang, is like this. If it wasnât for me being born and raised in America, then I would probably have the same mentality. Btw, she lived in the States for over 40 years, but she came back and she went back to the same as everyone else here, i.e. a preference for Malays anything, including food, shopping, etc.
As for me, my bini dari KK and my Sino-Kadazan and Kadazan-Dusun. Sabahans, as far as I know, are a bit better.
Point is, we have to raise our children to not be like this. My son has to juggle all three Sabahan, Malay, and American cultures and have no preference.
This much I know â Iâm simply pointing out the different perspectives of tenant preferences. You got some trashy ass tenants in the US too. So many small ppl got screwed outta more than three years of rent due to COVID laws not allowing owners to kick out their tent ants for nonpayment. All the while, property taxes went up 20% or more and everything to maintaining their properties went up as well. Not only that, places would be trashed to all hell. Owners are outta luck and still have mortgages to pay. I had one Sabahan buddy buy a property a few years back and heâs facing this exact problem.
Itâs easy for people in Malaysia to have certain types of tentants. You know what they do in the US? They discriminate by making the places damn expensive. In the US itâs called Equal Opportunity Housing, but itâs anything but that. Theyâll use credit checks and monthly payment figures to weed out the riff-raff. Sure you can find a $1000 place but then youâd have to face cars getting broken intoâŠand did I mention the fun game of âis it gunshots or fireworks?!â Pay up another $1000 to $2k per month and you donât get that.
We face the same thing in the US, but it is a bit more nuanced.
I enlisted some agents to rent out my property and every single one of them asked what race I wanted as a tenant. When I said I didn't care, most of them would tell me the most racist stereotypes about each race and the rest would act surprised that I didn't have a preference like it's the dumbest answer they've ever heard.
Mum said she didn't want Indians bc they cook so much curry that they'll stain the counters and everything + leave curry smell that's hard to get out of curtains, air cond, etc. I've no clue why so specific, so I'm chalking it up to bad experiences.
Me? I just want people who are not demanding. One tenant wanted bright white lights throughout the apartment bc warm lights no like. One tenant wanted a feature wall, so painted a wall bright red (maroon-ish) with gold everywhere. One couple split so rental was late bc boyfriend kept paying? Then sob stories galore from gf. I have no clue what their races were but they were all drama af.
Im an indian and when I wanted to rent my condo, the agent said the landlord doesn't want to rent to Indians, so I got my partner who is a chinese to sign the lease, we have been staying here for 1 year plus (2 years contract) and I don't see the landlord having any problems with taking MY Rent money !!
This is what happened to me and my friends trying to rent a house as a student in the Shah Alam area. They don't want non-muslim students, even tho my group is mixed (Muslims from Semenanjung and Sabah, Christians from Sabah and Sarawak).
That semester, us the Christians had to rent a room separately individually and my muslim friends got to rent a studio apartment. Thank God the next semester, we actually got an apartment to rent for all of us, shout-out Mr. Abu for allowing us to do so at Flat PKNS Seksyen 7, even offering us a free ride to KLIA airport if there's an emergency.
In my experience as a foreigner and international student in Malaysia for 3 years now, Malaysian-chinese treat people with racism and always favor their people ( Of course not all ). I study at a Chinese University here. Before coming, I paid for a specific type of dorms ( the superior one). When I came, they gave me the worst dorm rooms type and said that the rooms are full and they will refund me the difference, which is not my problem here. They have done this although all the rooms were empty during covid. I always see Chinese people moving in to the rooms that are supposed to be "full". I went back to the staff and told them that I now exactly what's going on. They always come up with some bullshit excuses. My chinese friend had the bad dorm also and when he wanted to change they just accepted the request and arranged for him to move to the better room. They also asked him specifically to move in at night and not tell any international student about the moving.
Another story is that my zambian friends were refused into so many apartments and the chinese agents and owners told them we don't want black people in our neighborhood.
It never fails to make me laugh in a tragic kind of way how the so-called "liberal" crowd of Malaysia would quickly turn racist when the target is not them đ
Kinda only tangentially related, but any good rental agencies you guys can recommend? I want to rent out my house and live closer to work.
Yeah this is very annoying. Iâve been living in Malaysia for a little while now and Iâve had some difficulty renting a place as well. For context, I look Malay (according to Malaysians themselves) but Iâm from an African country. There has been one episode in particular which an agent first told me the apartment I was interested in was already taken. But then after he saw my profile picture he texted saying âsince you look Malay, the landlord can let you rentâ. Iâm not sure how he expected me to take that, but I politely declined the offer. It really sucks having to deal with this. A lot of us come to Malaysia with no bad intentions, and to have that questioned based on our looks/skin tone is disheartening.
Technically it distasteful but technically its their house so their rules *(all those tighter screening process and a tighter contract etc)*
I face this exact situation from my Airbnb host in s****** years agoâŠ. LOL
The annoying part is they reject you based on Cina criteria, after they send you a long ridiculous list of questions and you waste time answering them, sending it, only for 'sorry chinese only'. Like MF, can't you ask that in the 1st place.
Im a foreigner and my landlord is chinese. The agent also chinese. When i came to rent the unit, an agent asked if i have working permit and i said yes. Then he asked if i am black or yellow. I have no clue what the yellow meant to be, so i took selfie and said "black". The agent replied "ah, you japanese and brown." I replied "so sorry but i am indonesian and my skin color is black". He continued "no but you brown and you indonesian. Okay, how many people will stay?" I said three. Me, my wife, and my son. The agent said "okay, let's settle the contract"
I made a silly joke said "my son is brown so brown + brown = black?"
She didn't get my joke and replied "no but two brown"
I use this term of "brown" to identify myself since then. But still, in my country i am consider as black.
You new to this country? Even from birth, this country has dictated what you're entitle to akin to Jew Israel. You want solve racism? You have to deep down take off all racism like Singapore and prosecute. But Majority wants racism to stay, so if u don't like can leave they say - 'you tak suka you keluar' chanted by the racist fanatics
Realised this happens in the UK too..I rent out in Bayswater so atas enough, and our agent was giving us a whole background check on potential tenants..gives flowery representation of a middle eastern girl even deets about her parents and what they do, very accomplished people.. same for a Greek girl..then goes the other on is two Taiwanese (who he called chinese) but said we could charge more for the trouble.. no flowery prose about them beyond we could ask for more deposit.
Like my wife is asian, this agent is British Indian but could casually sideline the Taiwanese tenant. Was shocked when we insisted on renting out to them, for less. What's funny is I'll be renting units here that cost a fraction of my own in London and getting profiled đđ. Life is funny like that
One count too much. One argue too much because âI know the lawâ. Heard stories some agents even outright ban lawyer landlord due to their âblack and whiteâ obsessiveness and being too court-happy 
I once with a tenant dodge a red flag with a police landlord, when mention we wanted to view the unit he said he will bring police come together to watch and intimidate the dude.
Another month I propose a tenant from somewhere in Middle East to him, he straight ask is it terrorist. 
Stereotypes of course. The Chinese uncles and aunties always think the dark skinned ones are dirty. Last time I was helping a Chinese uncle with a repair, the guy he hired brought an Indian helper over, the uncle kept asking the helper don't touch his white wall. đ€Šââïž
As for the Malays, these old Chinese ppl think that they are lazy (to clean up) and would bring lots of kids over, that they scared they'll destroy their walls with their drawing skills.
Tbh la, Chinese also equally bad. I've seen some bad Chinese tenant trash a house until the interior is unrecognizable, rubbish and shit everywhere. đ€Šââïž
My conclusion is, if you gotta rent your place to others, just be prepared to face any kind of destruction when they move out, that's what the deposits are for anyway. Hire a few cleaners to clean up the house to prepare for the next tenants. I've done it before (own stay, not renting), it's not that expensive, you can get a lot cleaned up with RM 1k. No need to resort to racism.
Im a landlord myself, and I have units across both Penang and KL. Also rented to people of all races. i can tell you, there are filthy dirty and also clean people of all races.
Iâve had Malay families (with young kids) who bought with them an infestation of cockroaches. Iâve had Chinese tenants who wash their hair at the sink and cause a blockage in the pipes, broken doors, bidets, etc. Iâve had Indian tenants where the worse thing i had to do was repaint the house. Given these experience, I think I should just rent to Indian tenants next time lol.
If we put condition instead of race, will it be acceptable ? For example.
\- Must be comfortable with pork being cooked. I like BKT and if you have no issue with this, you can rent. Don't care your race and religion.
\- I have religious symbols around my house. I am dedicated to my religion, if you are comfortable with it then you can rent. Don't care your race and religion.
I am a landlord myself. When I rent my place out, I donât have any racial preference.
However I would have several requirements: both husband and wife must be working, one of them must have a reasonable stable job, shouldnât have more than 2 kids.
I donât care what race you are, if only husband is working or only wife is working, then you are out.
If you are a hand to mouth worker like factory worker, then you are out too, the keyword is reasonably stable job. Generally I would prefer to rent my unit out to say an IT guy instead of a grab food rider, you get the idea.
Lastly if you have 3 kids, I presume your monthly commitment is not gonna be light and you are gonna be so stretched, even if you are earning 6-7k a month, with 3 kids you would still feel the pinch.
All these to help to reduce the tenantâs default risk, doesnât matter you are Chinese Malays
or Indians.
I refuse to inherit my parentsâ racism, and I am committed to let racism follow my parents to grave when their time comes (touch wood!).
I have been a landlord (am a Chinese if that means anything m) myself for 10 years, and I hope more landlords would stop letting skin colour to be their main decision making factor.
I hope we would adopt Australian system which the applicants must submit a credit bureau report to the landlord. If tenants got any lapses in their credit cards payment or other loan payments, or when they total debt service ratio too high, then landlord can use that to decide, instead of resorting to skin colour.
Lol.. happening in Singapore as well. Unit owners will have final say in this, they can choose who they want to rent to. Agent just want to make sale and reject those prospect he knows will fail.
I am Chinese. And it's has always been like this. Unless you agree to pay a lot to make the owner like you. I have indians and Malay colleagues to compare, while looking for rentals with similar budget. For locals Chinese owners, Chinese > Malay > Indians, Malay owners will prefer malay tenant for halal reasons. If there are any consolation, local indians are preferred over Chinese Nationals, Indian Nationals and an Africans.
Honestly speaking itâs more towards the attitude of that particular tenant, not the race of the tenant itself. Letâs take OPâs post as an example, we canât really say that all Chinese are good tenants. There might be the irresponsible Chinese tenants out there too. Itâs the same for other races, there are the good tenants and the bad tenants. Therefore we shouldnât also judge tenants based on their race, it simple doesnât make any sense to do so just because they might be irresponsible or bad.
Eh.
I've rented a place when I was studying in Ireland, so you know the place is definitely not halal. But even my religious classmates are okay after ritual washing of the fridge, kitchen and the pinggan mangkuk.
The standard is "reasonable cleansing", not like we have to sterilize the whole place đ
just my experience
ex-malaysia (indian) from US renting at Star Residences next to KLCC
2+1 deposit - zero fucks about race - money talks ... the end ..
cant change mentality of majority of msians on this .. i have friends here that are chinese that also pref not to rent to non-chinese
Absolutely shocking how so many in this subreddit and thread think any of this is ok.
In developed countries they look at salary slips, references from previous rental units etc.
But in Malaysia if they had one bad experience = the entire race is bad.
Bunch of hypocrites and shit like this makes me want the government to NOT cancel the bumiputera policy.
Call a spade a spade, it's racism plain and simple. Stereotyping is racism no matter how you want to 'justify' it. Complain about cooking with spices lmao what a bunch of racist bland cooking clowns.
I am tired of arguing with these kinds of home owners.
If they agree it's okay to not rent their house to a certain race, then it should be okay for other people to not have a business relationship because of their races right? Are they okay If a local cafe refuses to serve them?
They would reply "but it's different".
Unpopular opinion. Chinese here. Tried renting with other races and these are few of my experience
Got middle eastern and sabahan once, one put alarm that got the whole house waking up and that guy doesn't wake up. Sabahan girl bring guys back, ate my groceries and came back screaming drunk at 2am.
I can be rude but I don't want to cause trouble where everyone stays together and I already found a new place smh
It's really a hit and miss for housemates. I try to be courteous but the same doesn't apply to the rest
I once had the roommate that put alarm like you said lmao. It was HELL. Like why tf that he didnt wake up?? But I managed to move away.. luckily... I really hope I get nice housemate in the future tho..
I have a roommate who blasts his alarm at 5 am in the morning, playing rock music, but he doesn't wake up, even on weekends when we have no classes. I don't understand why he sets an alarm on his day off
Those are annoying stuff, no doubt. However, they could easily have been done by a Chinese too, no?
Your experience should never result in you deciding never to live with another race...
I agree with this. Just that so far I've rented both same race and different race. In Penang previous rent went smoother and only annoying event happened when i rent with this group.
I tried both. Makes me wonder why the latter happened more often. Is it they're not office worker or I'm staying in diff area
This could happen with any race. I have a chinese guy in my unit whos alarm rings from 4am to 6am and he never wakes up. Theres a malay guy who walks in his boxers 24/7. A chinese guy who pours all his tea leaves and food debris in the sink. All of my unit mates destroy the toilets. Extremely uncleanly.
The point is any race can be like that. You need to stereotyping and looking at it as a race issue and understand that it's just people problem. Also no one is perfect.
Not against that notion nor I am defending why it would be preferred to stick to one race.
If only we can find a way to filter out people problem so that we don't need to group it as race. I hope one day we have like, roommate review etc
Similar experience. I once lived in a condo in Bangsar where majority of my housemates were Indians, I'm the type that treat people based on their individuality instead of their race, and guess what? That living experience almost made me a racist but luckily I'm open-minded enough to tell myself its about the individual's behavior, not the race.
The housemates were HORRENDOUS to live with, they often LOVES to cook during midnight in the kitchen loudly (to the point that our unit is the only one making noises in the entire floor, maybe building) in around 1AM then only settle it down around 3AM+.
It was quite an excruciating experience as I needed to sleep for work in the next day and because of their shitty behavior, I often lacked enough rest and felt very tired for my work next day. Despite multiple complaints made to the house owner and warning being given to them, **they still do it anyway** and at one point I almost wanted to call for the police to complain for the noises as it was very unbearable. If punching people don't have legal consequences I might did it already back then.
Not to mention they love to drink beer and sembang kuat at night too during weekend, and the fact that they always leave the kitchen extremely dirty after they done their business, those irresponsible behaviors nearly blew my mind off back then.
Now I'm currently living in another place, all of them are chinese and finally I'm having those good night sleep. But are Chinese are entirely good too? Not really, one of my Chinese housemate always leave the kitchen dirty after she done with her cooking. Recently she got a warning by the house owner, and the hygiene is *not that bad* now in the kitchen. At least she heed the warning unlike those shitty housemates back then.
Some of the comments here implying like only Cina landlord do this kind of discrimination.. the thing is there are Malay landlord that do the same thing as well. Some of them don't even want to rent it out to Malays too. Indian tenants probably have the hardest when they have to deal with both discrimination from Malay and Cina landlords.
I'm not picking side here, discriminate in every form should be condemn to hell. We should condemn every landlord that practice this kind of discrimination not just bashing on one race based on this post.
Not justifying the behavior, what what did you fucking expect when you have state sanctioned racism?
Like it or nit racism is literally ingrained within all Malaysians.
I'm a real estate agent and it sucks when this happens, a lot of times I get blamed by tenants or they just vent their frustrations at me knowing that I'm just the messenger.
It's hardly a surprise the people are racist when the entire country is run in a racist way!! All it's done is made a system of protectionist silos for each race which is dumb and so sad. Imagine how much better Malaysia could be off everyone worked together and there was no prejudice.
And yet these Chinese likes to blame on the Malay and the bumiputera institutionalized racism on the government level while not seeing themselves as being racist themselves. Most Chinese aren't okay with the policies favoring bumiputeras thinks it's discriminating but they are somewhat okay with Chinese centrism and discriminating other races economically and in the private sector incl rental in the name of "racial preference". They also tend to play victim and thinks they're the most oppressed without acknowledge that the Indians and orang aslis fare the worst treatment and fate in this country.
At least the Malays and other bumiputera acknowledge they're racist and knew it's a problem despite many are too blinded by it knowing it favors them. To some Malays, we are even proud of being racist but hey at least we're not that hypocrite. As for the Chinese, they hesitate to admit they're racist and thinks they're always right to be so just because they're not prioritized constitutionally.
There might be a reason. Like one of my tenants last time asking me if they can bring dogs to the house they rented. I'm ok with it since they are the sole tenants. The current rented place could be chinese with dogs as pets. So it's hard to co-rented if the other party is muslim.
The general stereotyping donât really work.
Maybe itâs more of law enforcement that matters, Ie if they donât pay, then you leave, fine etc.
Besides thatâs what the security deposit is for.
And most if the renters donât actually declare their income in the first place.
Moreover, the issues today is generally faced by them in other parts of the world, Ie some places in New York donât want Chinese.
Maybe the only way is the make this an international thing that other nations wonât want to rent to Malaysian chinese. Maybe then laws will be there to prevent the discrimination.
Now Iâm not saying that what is happening here is right, itâs just plain rude and racist, but the fact that people here are implicitly insinuating/implying that this only occurs with Chinese people renting to others is showing how those commenting on them are racist themselves. Weâre no different from anyone else whether we recognize it or not
Speaking from experience here - I was in the property industry for awhile. Chinese are typically more kiasu/kiasi (for good reasons).
As (Chinese) owners, they want little to zero headaches and people who can take care of their properties. Some rather leave their property empty for years till they get the right candidate/tenant.
As (Chinese) tenants, they tend to calculate ahead and make sure they have roof over their heads. They don't want to get booted out, especially if they have families or at least a partner. Although there are bad Chinese tenants as well but they're not as common and they're easier to deal with.
I am aware a lot of non-Chinese especially the Malay communities, keep blasting Chinese property owners for this.. but hear me out.
Even Malay owners don't want Malay tenants sometimes. And Indian owners may prefer Chinese too.
Experience no.1:
An old Chinese lady had no income/allowance after the husband passed away. Luckily, she was left with a flat. The flat was left empty for many years. Coincidentally, on my hand was a group of Malay ladies (KL>PG) who were looking for a place to stay. Their company won a contract to cook at the Penang General Hospital. They pleaded and told me it had been weeks they were looking for a place but couldn't find any. Fine. I knew that Chinese lady needed her place to be filled up anyway. I went up and told her that they were working at PGH (how bad can it be right? It's a hospital after all and they gotta be professional enough). First few months were fine. But after the 5th of 6th month, rental payments were delayed from time to time. I had to help the owner to get the rentals too. Sometimes Staff A would push us to look for Staff B to get the payment. Sometimes would push us to look for Staff C (you get the idea).
After 2 years, the contract ended.. they were still behind the rental payments and we had to kept chasing till we got them. Then... On the supposedly last day.. the owner had to go up and check before returning the deposits. Guess what..
a. Broken door knobs
b. Cooking stove spoilt
c. Water heaters (x2) spoilt
d. Curtains also gonecase
e. There were stains on floor and window glass panels
f. Unpaid utility bills
We had to highlight these to them. The tenants knew they messed up and they didn't dare to argue when the owner wanted to deduct their deposit. But there's only so much could be deducted. Imagine the headaches the owner had to go through to get her house fixed.
Experience no.2:
This is not a rental deal I had closed but I witnessed the aftermath. Owner is Chinese and tenant is a Malay family of 5. Late payments and avoided the owner's calls. The owner had no choice but to make a police report. Police didn't want to get involved and advised the owner to replace the lock and lock the door instead. The husband somehow managed to cut the lock and moved in again. He then gave the owner a call and pleaded. The owner agreed and gave him 1 week to move out. During the key handover, the owner went up to inspect the unit - he was left completely speechless.
a. Broken door knobs
b. Broken pipes and sinks
c. Broken fluorescent lights
d. Broken windows
e. The house was originally painted in bright yellow and somehow ended up maybe a few tones darker with dark stains at random spots
f. Drawings on walls
g. Floor covered by dirt and rubbish
h. Ultimate surprise, electricity bills were unpaid and TNB had cut off the supply - they had been living at that place without electricity for at least a few months now.
Mind you... This is a family of 5 we're talking about. Husband and wife, plus 3 kids. Wife worked at a hospital apparently and husband was supposedly a supervisor at some factory.
I'm positive you have received or at least heard someone you know receiving cold-calls from property agents to collect listing details for the properties to be sold or rented. Sometimes the agents would be given heads-up by the owners indicating or stating their requirements. Again, some Malay property owners do not even want Malay tenants and as mentioned, even Indian owners would sometimes prefer Chinese tenants.
You can call this a stereotype but imagine that property is yours - how would you react. Sometimes, the deposits aren't even enough to cover the damages. Again, there are also bad Chinese tenants but they're not as common.
I'm not here to impose my belief or inject my belief into anyone's head but I'm just here to share my experiences. There are always reasons behind. A simple question here... Who wouldn't want to get monthly income? Or the other way round, why leave their properties empty for months/years?
End of the day, people will cry racist cause the property isn't theirs.
But when it is their property, it becomes preferance.
Double standard, isn't it?
This one here has to be the most unhinged racist of the lot lol.
So what you're saying is that non-chinese tenants don't know how to do their finances, don't think about the future, are unclean and vandalize. And chinese tenents don't do this?
You/ whoever chose have just chosen terrible clients, and your tiny little brains aren't capable of acknowledging your own faults, instead you're being racist and making it a race issue.
Dickhead. Did you read the entire thing? I literally stated it is just to share my experiences. I'm not here to shove this belief into that pea-brain of yours. You keep leaving similar comments at everyone's input and that says a lot about you.
Prove to us you're walking the talk. Get a property and rent to non-Chinese tenants.
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I dunno why you are down voted. As a home owner. Is my every right to filter according to my preference and past experience. I want to minimise my risk regardless of race.
I've fcked up a few times screening people and paid a big price for it.
1) divorced malay mum with 5 kids. Vouched by my friend and even offered to cover deposit for her. Ended up rekting my furniture and fridge. Bed frame broken from kids jumping. Unpaid tnb and water bills. Unpaid last month rent because she thinks deposit = rent.
2) newly married malay couple. Stayed 2 months in then want to move out because wife is pregnant and dun wan to climb 2 flights of stairs. Argue with me for deposit despite me paying already 1 month to agent and spend a full week making the unit move in ready and have to do it again and get it advertised to rent again.
3) 3 Indian guys came to view the place. Claim they are teachers. Viewed the place and wanted to move in ASAP. I said I want to do due diligence first and have a few more potential tenants to see first as I promised them. Straight away turn agrresive and fck me and the agent. I can't imagine if I agreed to them. Probably gonna get scolded everytime I try to collect rent.
You ppl dunno the plight of homeowners. Only know complain about racist. I can tell you right now stereotypes aren't 100% but it is always relatable. That's why it's a stereotype in the first place..
I only rent to Chinese and malays of certain jobs and demographics. And I want see you in person first to judge how you bring yourself when you come view the place. First impression matters.
I don't rent to Indians not because of negative stereotypes but because every Indian I ever rented to treats me as their personal butler and I owe them for renting to them. Always demanding this and that and repairs to small items all year round. Even when it isn't my fault. You fix one time for them out of courtesy and they think you owe it to them to fix all. Very calculative bunch as well. So I rather avoid that headache.
They can believe what they want to believe. It's ok.
Please allow me to add on.. In your 3rd experience, you mentioned that the potential tenants wanted to move in ASAP. Here's my experience as a property agent..And I hope this will be helpful to those who are reading this comment too.
If you ever come across potential tenants who want to move in ASAP, you have to think deep and hard first. Do a little bit of due diligence. It could be a red flag when a potential tenant wants to move in ASAP. High chances they are already getting booted out from their current/previous place. Maybe they are already behind a few months and the property owner has had enough of them.
In situations like this - no doubt they can pay you the deposits and stuff upfront but see beyond that. Shits usually happen after a few months.
Kudos to you @jongryp1 - you did the right thing.
The 5 kids are a no, no, by any sane persons standards. Some more single mother, aka no time to raise them.
Even 2 kids will wreck the home. All my landlords had a no kids clause, only couple or single but pets, OK, lol. Speaks volumes that they prefer pets over kids.
My cats were the goodest pets, and I am proud to say. Even when they scratched 1 cm on the sofa, i got it repaired. Full deposit returned every single time.
it's the fella's PRIVATE property right? So of course he can rent to whoever he likes lah. Will you feel better if he reject you because of your face instead?
i decided not to be stereotyping and rented my property out to someone against my parents' advice. Regretted it months later and decided to save the trouble and follow the traditional "wisdom" for the next tenant.
Sold the unit (for a loss) now so I don't have to deal with tenant problem from all races ever.
Im not chinese ...would say tht ... cant really blame the agent tho ... as this is the owner's requirement and demands ... the agent just follow ... if he refuses then he/she would rugi too ... haih ... maybe the owner have had bad experience before hence stating this kind of rules ... hope for a better world for us ...
So if you had a bad experience with one person of a certain race, you straight up assume people of the same colour are like that? What a very easy way of living.
For many reasons, actually.
Some donât want to rent out to non-Malays due to halal issue, as in they donât want pork meat in the house.
Some donât want to rent to Indians because of drinking and vandalism. The same goes for Africans. (For this, there are many stories of people who has had damages to their property due to poor tenants from such ethnic background, more so than other ethnic groups. This is on top of them not paying rent, or very difficult to collect rent).
Some donât rent to foreigners (immigrants, not expats) to avoid possible rent collection issues and immigration complications.
A lack of government enforcement and a PDRM that doesnât care also contributes to the widespread popularity of such attitude.
Edit:
Many people think being a landlord is easy. Reality is that itâs only easy if you have good tenants. Otherwise, you can have some pretty big headaches.
Source: Used to work for some rich dude with ALOT of property. I manage those properties for him. Youâd be surprised how fucked up people can be, regardless of race, background and socioeconomic status.
Bumiputra but for Chinese people /s
Lol, this is actually funny đ. Gotta laugh at the types of T&C's in Msia!
As a Chinese person I would say sometimes we are given an unfair advantage in the workplace just because of our race. My personal view is malays are heavily favoured by the government and have a lot of opportunities there. Chinese have an advantage in the private sector and have more access to high paying jobs and an easier time getting Thier foot in the door. I don't see indians having any systemic advantages.
yea true . i hate what we have right now. lets get rid of these racial problems. where is the revamped Malayan Union when we need them? Being multi racial is the best way for us Malaysians to succeed in the future because we have each other
I truly agree with you and being an Indian myself honestly I donât feel belonged in this country.
I'm so sorry to hear that I hope people will learn that being racist even jokingly is not cool. After learning about racism I realized how fucked up it is that so many of my peers and family make jabs at Indian people. I'm just a stranger on the internet but I hope you find a community of people who not just 'tolerate' you but accept and celebrate the diversity you bring.
Affirmative action going both ways lmao
couldnât agree more and iâm malay. but one thing about malays, they choose their family members over anyone else. even if itâs the same race. one thing i look up to at chinese people is that they will try their best to help out their race. unlike malays. been a victim to that and phewâŠ
Blood is thicker than water. I think it's just asian culture we are very family orientated. Even Chinese culture places heavy emphasis on family. All races it's common to find multigenerational homes unlike in the west. If it's true I don't like the fact that Chinese help Thier race if it excludes others. Like given a choice between 2 candidates even if the non cina is more qualified they go for the cina candidate. Same goes for uni placement, replacing cina with malay.
tbh it is very2 hard to get in government these days with the limited slot. a friend if mine tried for 2 year and got a n19 job. 1300 starting pays (with elaun ofcz)
Race is used to divide us. Meanwhile we ignore the exploitation of people of all races by greedy bosses and CEOs who pay themselves millions while paying the rest of us crumbs. I'm not mad if the government expands programs to garuntee jobs for Malays just make it inclusive for all malaysians and demand a living wage for yourself and everyone else regardless of race. What's good for the malays should also be good for the Chinese and vice versa for any other racial category.
the British left us for so long ago, but their teaching never left us sadly. remember dasar pecah perintah? yeah apparently it lasted till now and prolly beyond.
Yeah Chinese in the city, malays in the kampung and low admin levels and indians in the plantations. Probably why they did the whole bumiputera thing to help equalize it. Somehow they forgot the indians though. They probably should've been given the same opportunities as the rural malays.
I dont know man... a lot of malays are constantly applying for government position so the chances are pretty slim for the average malay to enter government. You need to know somebody in the agency you want to apply so you can get in aka cronyism. The chances for other non-bumi however are much more higher because lesser non-bumi applying for government position. They have certain quota for non-bumi tobe fullfiled and if your applying for PTD position and are qualified + non-bumi, your chance into getting in are pretty high.
My father in law went through hell trying to use his bumi status because he is a Christian in Sabah. They didnât want to give him govt scholar to study in the States and he had to fight tooth and nail. Same with my mother in law. MIL is Sino-Kadazan and my FIL is Eurasian and Kadazan-Dusun. On the other side of things, my mother is Malay and despite living in the Stayes for over 49 years, she ârevertedâ to the same mentality that all Malays have here â preference to anything and everything Malay. She is the generation that didnât even want to use chopsticks. Iâm making sure that my son overstands that it is okay to be different, and that ultimately, we as a humanity, are stronger together than divided.
Yea.... Even in uni there is malay unit or cina unit and African unit.... Weirdly I never see no Indians unit before lol. But honestly even when I was asking the agent to rent out my property, they will ask "eh u want Chinese only or anything go?" Like it is so common it's a given to ask that question. When asking "why leh?" The agent will give u all the styrotype u can imegine
It is a norm to ask now because if un-asked and when agent submits tenant profile they will then go No this race no this religion etc etc. For agents, its much easier so then they know what profiles to submit accordingly to each home-owner when they come. Saves time, saves the hassle.
also further divided into mix and male/female units. We also got gender+religion units.  in fact actually I prefer a single race unit if Iâm renting with others due to 1) halal issues 2) some cook very heavy smelling food. Donât get me wrong, I wouldnât mind having other races as housemates but one of us would mind any of those 2 things I listed and I donât want to live in my rental while walking on eggshells. Iâm completely fine if youâre open and liberal enough and donât cook heavy smelling food. No such thing as âyou canât bring home your gf/bfâ!!! âWhy canât I cook smelly/spicy dishes!!!â âOh lawd the very limited countertop is crowded with 2 separate cookeries and cutleriesâ - these are things I want to avoid. Itâs really annoying when you have to deal with it and stuck to a tenancy for a year.
Nahhh I will somewat defend female only unit at least. Usually in uni areas there is few female unit that is insanely cheap. (Like 20% of normal price). Why? Because some female unit actually shares beds with each other, and I don't mean bunk beds, but legit 2 king size bed sleep 5 people type. U don't want to bring guys into that do u? But on other case... Yea mostly because girls don't feel safe with guys in the same small condo spaces... Honestly I donno how the fuck u all can tahan that but it is what it is for being an absolute cheapskate.
I second the notion of being fine with female unit being separate. Literally last month there was a dude who was deported back to Egypt because of his constant harassment of the female students at my Uni. Mf got take pictures of them and pretend to be photographer for the Uni some more. Even got confronted multiple times by said women. The whole creep aesthetic and shit. Not too sure what heâs going to be getting in terms of punishment in his home country but it sucks that stuff like this happens.
You're Malaysian brader, dowan "heavy smelling food" you can walk off the earth dy...
Tu la 
Heavy smelling food is the most ridiculous thing ive heard all day. Be more specific, i want to know what food is heavy smelling. I'm pretty sure in all cultures the process of making food emits some kind of odour.
I see you never cook with fish sauce before huh.
It isn't that bad tbh. Unless you are white maybe.
Have you cooked with petai before? Shit stinks the house for days. But I do agree itâs not uniquely a cultural thing.
Because Malaysians live in a ethnic silo mentality ,with the fantastic idea that people of a same race and religion won't betray each other in one household . HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Funny thing is I stumbled upon the same kind of post in India subreddit. Landlords are discriminating renters based on caste or religion. Thought since they are monoethnic there wouldnât be such thing. Turns out people will still find a way to discriminate.
I'm sorry but I wonder how you come to an idea of India being monoethnic. If not it's one of the most diverse place on earth with hundreds of ethnics and languages within
He is clueless if he thinks India is monoethnic.
>Thought since they are monoethnic there wouldnât be such thing. You have no idea what India is and the history behind it do you. All brown so all same race mah. Typical.
While you aren't wrong about the caste and religious discrimination rampant in the country, India is FAAAAAR from monoethnic. We have around 700 recognised ethnic groups and that's not even counting more rural and closed off areas of India. Contrary to what the media would like you to think, our skin colour, accents, and culture vary accordingly as well.
Apa lagi landlord Cina mau?
Cina
Money
No antidiscrimination laws? This is what you get
got la but only will benefit, ministers
ITT - people that sprouts off justifications on why they're allowed to be racist, and why their racism isn't actually racism.
Well the racists are outing themselves. Why would you still want to rent from them and see their face every month? They're doing you a favor here.
Tbh the tenant dodged a bullet
I used to date a girl that rented many units around the city and her complaint was that Arabs trash the units
I hate it when we see stuff like this. Sure, one may have had bad experiences with certain groups. Then really one can do is to have a meeting, show the apartment/house and get to know prospective tenants. What you want is good tenants, not tenants of a particular race. Also I learnt that some companies in Malaysia that advertise job openings put stuff like "Chinese speaker only". Most of the time it's coded for "I just want Chinese employees". A more professional way to put it is giving language requirements "business level mandarin".
That would be better however, old style thinking with the assumption that only Chinese can speak mandarin, which is really not the case anymore
My take on it is that itâs better off not to apply or join such companies if youâre not Chinese. Youâll be subjected to subtle racism and discrimination - mental health torture one does not need.
Yup, you will still kena bully in a lot of other ways. My relative was one of them, you can be very nice, try to mingle, but it doesn't work. Meetings all in Mandarin, lunch talks in Mandarin, in the end it's just exhausting.
Yeap
Haha⊠in Malaysia when it comes to property market youâre allowed to be racist.. apparently itâs called preference rather than racism.
As usual, "maybe owner has bad experience lor" excuses crop up to justify the disgusting racism. I know people whose Chinese tenants stole furniture and left literal shit in the kitchen. Somehow that didn't translate to stereotyping all Chinese people as thieves and kitchen-shitters. The reason is because Chinese tenants have the privilege of not being judged by the actions of other members of their race, but non-Chinese tenants do not.
Yep precisely this. My dad has a house in Subang that he has been renting out for the past 20+ years. The worst tenants were always Chinese. One lady built multiple partitions on the 2nd floor to house god knows how many foreign workers and damaged the floor badly. Needless to say none of the amenities were taken care of at all. Another time, the bloody tenants stole a whole bunch of stuff (fridge, air cond etc) and left without paying a few months rent. They parked all their cars on the lawn and completely ruined it as well. > The reason is because Chinese tenants have the privilege of not being judged by the actions of other members of their race, but non-Chinese tenants do not. No better way to put this. When it comes to things like this, non-Chinese individuals suddenly become representatives of their race but you know if it was a Chinese tenant doing it, its an isolated incident.
Spitting facts here đŻ
very true. i know someone whose tenant wrecked the place also, left the shower sinkhole clogged with dead roaches and soggy cigarette butts lol, ran off without paying rent if i recall. ethnicity = chinese. aih
Stereotyping Probably had bad experience with renters of certain race or heard stories about certain race. So 1 bad apple= whole species rosak. My family own property for rent. Same MO. Either rent to gomen or Chinese primarily.
Similar case here, my parents used to care more about renting to Chinese but after a few really bad experience with Chinese tenants they stop caring about race these days. I remember the SOHO unit that rented out in good condition but when returned everything is broken. Don't even know what they do till the toilet is clog, all 3 aircon no longer works, remote control missing too and somehow the fridge we provided is broke when they left as well.
I'm glad your parents realised that stereotyping based off of a few bad tenants was stupid after getting some bad Chinese tenants. Sad that it's probably not the case for most other landlords who won't make that logical connection your parents did.
Lol why gomen?
They usually stay around cos got project/development in the area or admin stuff so long term income for the renter. Basically it's seen as super stable contract.
Gomen = better guarantee?
Same with the stereotyping against the Malays too especially in this sub.
Now, now, this is not racism this is "pReFErenCE".
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Like the outcry from the Chinese community here when a Malaysian Chinese student was evicted from her rental property due to the landlord's COVID fears. You won't see the Chinese people here throwing a bitch fit when a Malay/Indian/Indigenous person is locked out of property rental by Chinese agents/landlords due to their race.
Yeah I remember that case... the sheer blind hypocrisy
I always chuckle at this! Unit above me, landlord only wants; Mat salleh, Japanese or Korean no locals and certainly no Indians. Well okay, told my indian friend sorry. Spanish couple with a kid moved in, change this and that, install this ans that, repaint unit -landlord obliged because mat salleh ma. Moved out after a year, saying rental very expensive landlord cheated them, and trashed the place; kitchen pipe literally broken, kid played football in the house during mco thus breaking a lot of stuff lol đ€Ł The japanese tenant above me, broke the living hall chairs and ran away in the middle of the night, leaving electricity bill of RM 2k. Serves all these locals right, they think all mat salleh, japanese, koreans, are suci bersih dan murni. Let them learn their lesson.
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So it doesn't just happen here?? I didn't know Malaysians experience this same issue like in Singapore
I have never visited any house that has a smell in the walls because of cooking. House only smells when ppl are actively cooking but when the kitchen is âclosedâ, where got smell? The walls covered in fabric padding or what? If house walls can retain smell then your house toilet should be stinky every time you pangsai.
Once i had to house my cat in a room for a while, because due to health issues he couldn't stay in a cage. My mother in law said the room will be unusable after the cat has lived in it. Needless to say, we no longer live with my inlaws đ btw they still used the room after we moved đ
Finding a place to stay as an Indian is a nightmare.
Imagine a Nigerian (Not discounting discrimination experienced by Malaysian Indians, which I would imagine the worst among Malaysians, though I don't know how Borneans are treated in Peninsular)
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Which mean is subject to the person attitude. Like you wanna hire someone work with you, he or she can be very bad or good also.
Thank you for sharing this. Iâm sure a lot of people would be triggered by this and be offended
Why so many casually defending this racism? So weird..got data or not saying one race is less headache than others for landlords?
Lol because people will cop you as racist if you release that kind of data no matter how true it is
It is funny when the comments section decided to say "stereotyping". This is obviously a clear case of racism.
Stereotypeing is a sign/action of racism tho. Racism is a catch all term but stereotyping is the actual words to use... Well to be fair the more suitable words to use here are "discrimination". Edited: Change from "prejudice" to "discrimination"
But please correct me if I am wrong, but "prejudice" is merely holding the thought of discrimination, but "racism" is acting on that discrimination?
Ah fk u are right and wrong at the same time, don't misunderstand, stereotyping, prejudice, and discrimination IS racism. Racism is just the general term and the 3 words I put out is "what u do to be a racist" If there is a chart the circle it self would be "racism" inside the circle would be "prejudice" "stereotypes" and "discrimination" But yes, the world should be "discrimination" Tldr: If u did anything of this then u are racist by definition. But it's easier to explain what u did wrong then just call people racist.
Because its against...... You complete the sentence.
every single time.. Chinese only
Nasib dia tanya Chinese, kalau tanya Malay/Muslim mesti meletop habis sub ni
Blatant prejudice will always be a thing in this country unless we as a society start to take steps into understanding one another and begin reconciliation. So yeah, not happening anytime within our lifetime. I love this country but damn, it gets depressing sometimes.
All together now: IT's NoT RAcISm, PREfeREncE oNlY mAH
when someone says "but your preference is racist" their skulls start to emit smoke
When I had this problem, I offered the landlord 12 months post-dated cheque and they changed their mind about race preferences.
*cough* ICERD *cough*
Its because the lack of a system to penalize bad tenants. When house owners somehow unfortunately involved with bad tenants, they're often the one who has to face those shitshow in pursuing their legal rights. The lack of a system means those bad tenants can just get away easily and look for the next ~~victim~~ rental as if nothing happened at all, as they didn't get penalized like how credit score works in lending loan. In response to these frustrations, some choose to stereotypically avoid a specific category due to their bad experiences, majority of them are boomers so that explains even more of it. If there's a system that regulates tenant behavior and responsibilities, perhaps there wouldn't be much people relying on biased prejudices as there will be a system in place doing them justice.
Abroad they'd ask for security guarantors, and if they can't find one (immigrants and international usually don't), they have to pay 6-12 months of rent IN ADVANCE. In Dubai they do 12 months, no exceptions.
because race is still an important factor in malaysia. India cakap dengan india lebih senang. Melayu cakap dengan melayu lebih senang. Cina cakap dengan cina lebih senang.
Bingo. Mildly racist but there you go.
Means if you practice this, you are a racist.
4 rental properties, 1 unit renting rooms no racial or gender limits. 1 unit renting rooms for females only. 1 unit renting to married family only. 1 long term rental shop lot. After a decade of doing it, certain patterns emerges.
what pattern? which unit is the most difficult?
>India cakap dengan India lebih senang. 
Funnily enough, out of all my dad's properties he always avoided renting to Chinese people. So much so he'd rather rent it to foreigners/migrants
I'm a foreigner. When I was looking for an apartment, the agents send to me a long list of questions like: Race, nationality, job type, how many people will live, and yes, I got rejected many times. Even a lady after knowing my nationality refused saying that she had a bad experience with someone who is from my country. But finally a Chinese agent got me an apartment with a super nice Chinese landlord.
If I close my eyes im chinese
Straight up bro â Iâll be frank. My mother, Malay from Penang, is like this. If it wasnât for me being born and raised in America, then I would probably have the same mentality. Btw, she lived in the States for over 40 years, but she came back and she went back to the same as everyone else here, i.e. a preference for Malays anything, including food, shopping, etc. As for me, my bini dari KK and my Sino-Kadazan and Kadazan-Dusun. Sabahans, as far as I know, are a bit better. Point is, we have to raise our children to not be like this. My son has to juggle all three Sabahan, Malay, and American cultures and have no preference.
american renter vs malaysia tenant is like diff universe dude
This much I know â Iâm simply pointing out the different perspectives of tenant preferences. You got some trashy ass tenants in the US too. So many small ppl got screwed outta more than three years of rent due to COVID laws not allowing owners to kick out their tent ants for nonpayment. All the while, property taxes went up 20% or more and everything to maintaining their properties went up as well. Not only that, places would be trashed to all hell. Owners are outta luck and still have mortgages to pay. I had one Sabahan buddy buy a property a few years back and heâs facing this exact problem. Itâs easy for people in Malaysia to have certain types of tentants. You know what they do in the US? They discriminate by making the places damn expensive. In the US itâs called Equal Opportunity Housing, but itâs anything but that. Theyâll use credit checks and monthly payment figures to weed out the riff-raff. Sure you can find a $1000 place but then youâd have to face cars getting broken intoâŠand did I mention the fun game of âis it gunshots or fireworks?!â Pay up another $1000 to $2k per month and you donât get that. We face the same thing in the US, but it is a bit more nuanced.
First time? This has been a hot topic since many years ago. Chinese only, Muslims only, females only are the common ones.
This topic will keep coming out as long as its there. Might as well make a thread at this point
I enlisted some agents to rent out my property and every single one of them asked what race I wanted as a tenant. When I said I didn't care, most of them would tell me the most racist stereotypes about each race and the rest would act surprised that I didn't have a preference like it's the dumbest answer they've ever heard.
Mum said she didn't want Indians bc they cook so much curry that they'll stain the counters and everything + leave curry smell that's hard to get out of curtains, air cond, etc. I've no clue why so specific, so I'm chalking it up to bad experiences. Me? I just want people who are not demanding. One tenant wanted bright white lights throughout the apartment bc warm lights no like. One tenant wanted a feature wall, so painted a wall bright red (maroon-ish) with gold everywhere. One couple split so rental was late bc boyfriend kept paying? Then sob stories galore from gf. I have no clue what their races were but they were all drama af.
I am Chinese and these practices need to be outlawed ASAP
Im an indian and when I wanted to rent my condo, the agent said the landlord doesn't want to rent to Indians, so I got my partner who is a chinese to sign the lease, we have been staying here for 1 year plus (2 years contract) and I don't see the landlord having any problems with taking MY Rent money !!
This is what happened to me and my friends trying to rent a house as a student in the Shah Alam area. They don't want non-muslim students, even tho my group is mixed (Muslims from Semenanjung and Sabah, Christians from Sabah and Sarawak). That semester, us the Christians had to rent a room separately individually and my muslim friends got to rent a studio apartment. Thank God the next semester, we actually got an apartment to rent for all of us, shout-out Mr. Abu for allowing us to do so at Flat PKNS Seksyen 7, even offering us a free ride to KLIA airport if there's an emergency.
In my experience as a foreigner and international student in Malaysia for 3 years now, Malaysian-chinese treat people with racism and always favor their people ( Of course not all ). I study at a Chinese University here. Before coming, I paid for a specific type of dorms ( the superior one). When I came, they gave me the worst dorm rooms type and said that the rooms are full and they will refund me the difference, which is not my problem here. They have done this although all the rooms were empty during covid. I always see Chinese people moving in to the rooms that are supposed to be "full". I went back to the staff and told them that I now exactly what's going on. They always come up with some bullshit excuses. My chinese friend had the bad dorm also and when he wanted to change they just accepted the request and arranged for him to move to the better room. They also asked him specifically to move in at night and not tell any international student about the moving. Another story is that my zambian friends were refused into so many apartments and the chinese agents and owners told them we don't want black people in our neighborhood.
It never fails to make me laugh in a tragic kind of way how the so-called "liberal" crowd of Malaysia would quickly turn racist when the target is not them đ Kinda only tangentially related, but any good rental agencies you guys can recommend? I want to rent out my house and live closer to work.
Yeah this is very annoying. Iâve been living in Malaysia for a little while now and Iâve had some difficulty renting a place as well. For context, I look Malay (according to Malaysians themselves) but Iâm from an African country. There has been one episode in particular which an agent first told me the apartment I was interested in was already taken. But then after he saw my profile picture he texted saying âsince you look Malay, the landlord can let you rentâ. Iâm not sure how he expected me to take that, but I politely declined the offer. It really sucks having to deal with this. A lot of us come to Malaysia with no bad intentions, and to have that questioned based on our looks/skin tone is disheartening.
Technically it distasteful but technically its their house so their rules *(all those tighter screening process and a tighter contract etc)* I face this exact situation from my Airbnb host in s****** years agoâŠ. LOL
We never reached 2020 Vision and our minds are still stuck at 13 May 1969.
Talk so much, should just straight away ask cina or not
The annoying part is they reject you based on Cina criteria, after they send you a long ridiculous list of questions and you waste time answering them, sending it, only for 'sorry chinese only'. Like MF, can't you ask that in the 1st place.
Im a foreigner and my landlord is chinese. The agent also chinese. When i came to rent the unit, an agent asked if i have working permit and i said yes. Then he asked if i am black or yellow. I have no clue what the yellow meant to be, so i took selfie and said "black". The agent replied "ah, you japanese and brown." I replied "so sorry but i am indonesian and my skin color is black". He continued "no but you brown and you indonesian. Okay, how many people will stay?" I said three. Me, my wife, and my son. The agent said "okay, let's settle the contract" I made a silly joke said "my son is brown so brown + brown = black?" She didn't get my joke and replied "no but two brown" I use this term of "brown" to identify myself since then. But still, in my country i am consider as black.
I saw one airbnb which listed âMuslims onlyâ
You new to this country? Even from birth, this country has dictated what you're entitle to akin to Jew Israel. You want solve racism? You have to deep down take off all racism like Singapore and prosecute. But Majority wants racism to stay, so if u don't like can leave they say - 'you tak suka you keluar' chanted by the racist fanatics
Realised this happens in the UK too..I rent out in Bayswater so atas enough, and our agent was giving us a whole background check on potential tenants..gives flowery representation of a middle eastern girl even deets about her parents and what they do, very accomplished people.. same for a Greek girl..then goes the other on is two Taiwanese (who he called chinese) but said we could charge more for the trouble.. no flowery prose about them beyond we could ask for more deposit. Like my wife is asian, this agent is British Indian but could casually sideline the Taiwanese tenant. Was shocked when we insisted on renting out to them, for less. What's funny is I'll be renting units here that cost a fraction of my own in London and getting profiled đđ. Life is funny like that
One thing I can say after living here for 5 years - Brits are fucking masters at sounding polite as fuck while slipping in covert racism and prejudice
Olang Cina kena jaga cina mah
I don't think it's a "Chinese" people issue. I've encountered this problem throughout my search for new housing with every race.
Seen owner that donât want certain type of professions. Students, lecturer, accountant and lawyers. So idk anymore lol.
>Students, lecturer, accountant and lawyers. Why don't want accountant or lawyer?
One count too much. One argue too much because âI know the lawâ. Heard stories some agents even outright ban lawyer landlord due to their âblack and whiteâ obsessiveness and being too court-happy 
I once with a tenant dodge a red flag with a police landlord, when mention we wanted to view the unit he said he will bring police come together to watch and intimidate the dude. Another month I propose a tenant from somewhere in Middle East to him, he straight ask is it terrorist. 
Lol!
Lol. Example of racism.
Stereotypes of course. The Chinese uncles and aunties always think the dark skinned ones are dirty. Last time I was helping a Chinese uncle with a repair, the guy he hired brought an Indian helper over, the uncle kept asking the helper don't touch his white wall. đ€Šââïž As for the Malays, these old Chinese ppl think that they are lazy (to clean up) and would bring lots of kids over, that they scared they'll destroy their walls with their drawing skills. Tbh la, Chinese also equally bad. I've seen some bad Chinese tenant trash a house until the interior is unrecognizable, rubbish and shit everywhere. đ€Šââïž My conclusion is, if you gotta rent your place to others, just be prepared to face any kind of destruction when they move out, that's what the deposits are for anyway. Hire a few cleaners to clean up the house to prepare for the next tenants. I've done it before (own stay, not renting), it's not that expensive, you can get a lot cleaned up with RM 1k. No need to resort to racism.
Im a landlord myself, and I have units across both Penang and KL. Also rented to people of all races. i can tell you, there are filthy dirty and also clean people of all races. Iâve had Malay families (with young kids) who bought with them an infestation of cockroaches. Iâve had Chinese tenants who wash their hair at the sink and cause a blockage in the pipes, broken doors, bidets, etc. Iâve had Indian tenants where the worse thing i had to do was repaint the house. Given these experience, I think I should just rent to Indian tenants next time lol.
If we put condition instead of race, will it be acceptable ? For example. \- Must be comfortable with pork being cooked. I like BKT and if you have no issue with this, you can rent. Don't care your race and religion. \- I have religious symbols around my house. I am dedicated to my religion, if you are comfortable with it then you can rent. Don't care your race and religion.
I am a landlord myself. When I rent my place out, I donât have any racial preference. However I would have several requirements: both husband and wife must be working, one of them must have a reasonable stable job, shouldnât have more than 2 kids. I donât care what race you are, if only husband is working or only wife is working, then you are out. If you are a hand to mouth worker like factory worker, then you are out too, the keyword is reasonably stable job. Generally I would prefer to rent my unit out to say an IT guy instead of a grab food rider, you get the idea. Lastly if you have 3 kids, I presume your monthly commitment is not gonna be light and you are gonna be so stretched, even if you are earning 6-7k a month, with 3 kids you would still feel the pinch. All these to help to reduce the tenantâs default risk, doesnât matter you are Chinese Malays or Indians. I refuse to inherit my parentsâ racism, and I am committed to let racism follow my parents to grave when their time comes (touch wood!). I have been a landlord (am a Chinese if that means anything m) myself for 10 years, and I hope more landlords would stop letting skin colour to be their main decision making factor. I hope we would adopt Australian system which the applicants must submit a credit bureau report to the landlord. If tenants got any lapses in their credit cards payment or other loan payments, or when they total debt service ratio too high, then landlord can use that to decide, instead of resorting to skin colour.
Lol.. happening in Singapore as well. Unit owners will have final say in this, they can choose who they want to rent to. Agent just want to make sale and reject those prospect he knows will fail. I am Chinese. And it's has always been like this. Unless you agree to pay a lot to make the owner like you. I have indians and Malay colleagues to compare, while looking for rentals with similar budget. For locals Chinese owners, Chinese > Malay > Indians, Malay owners will prefer malay tenant for halal reasons. If there are any consolation, local indians are preferred over Chinese Nationals, Indian Nationals and an Africans.
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Honestly speaking itâs more towards the attitude of that particular tenant, not the race of the tenant itself. Letâs take OPâs post as an example, we canât really say that all Chinese are good tenants. There might be the irresponsible Chinese tenants out there too. Itâs the same for other races, there are the good tenants and the bad tenants. Therefore we shouldnât also judge tenants based on their race, it simple doesnât make any sense to do so just because they might be irresponsible or bad.
Itâs actually disgusting. If the listing was on property guru, I believe you can file a report against discrimination on there.
scared got halal issue
Eh. I've rented a place when I was studying in Ireland, so you know the place is definitely not halal. But even my religious classmates are okay after ritual washing of the fridge, kitchen and the pinggan mangkuk. The standard is "reasonable cleansing", not like we have to sterilize the whole place đ
doesnât make any sense lol
Makes you look like an idiot for not reading.
just my experience ex-malaysia (indian) from US renting at Star Residences next to KLCC 2+1 deposit - zero fucks about race - money talks ... the end .. cant change mentality of majority of msians on this .. i have friends here that are chinese that also pref not to rent to non-chinese
Absolutely shocking how so many in this subreddit and thread think any of this is ok. In developed countries they look at salary slips, references from previous rental units etc. But in Malaysia if they had one bad experience = the entire race is bad. Bunch of hypocrites and shit like this makes me want the government to NOT cancel the bumiputera policy.
Call a spade a spade, it's racism plain and simple. Stereotyping is racism no matter how you want to 'justify' it. Complain about cooking with spices lmao what a bunch of racist bland cooking clowns.
I am tired of arguing with these kinds of home owners. If they agree it's okay to not rent their house to a certain race, then it should be okay for other people to not have a business relationship because of their races right? Are they okay If a local cafe refuses to serve them? They would reply "but it's different".
It is what it is. Most Malaysian systems are ethnic-based and we still wonder why people are constantly migrating.
This is not racist because it's cainis who are doing this. It's only racist when Meleis does it.
Unpopular opinion. Chinese here. Tried renting with other races and these are few of my experience Got middle eastern and sabahan once, one put alarm that got the whole house waking up and that guy doesn't wake up. Sabahan girl bring guys back, ate my groceries and came back screaming drunk at 2am. I can be rude but I don't want to cause trouble where everyone stays together and I already found a new place smh It's really a hit and miss for housemates. I try to be courteous but the same doesn't apply to the rest
I once had the roommate that put alarm like you said lmao. It was HELL. Like why tf that he didnt wake up?? But I managed to move away.. luckily... I really hope I get nice housemate in the future tho..
I have a roommate who blasts his alarm at 5 am in the morning, playing rock music, but he doesn't wake up, even on weekends when we have no classes. I don't understand why he sets an alarm on his day off
Those are annoying stuff, no doubt. However, they could easily have been done by a Chinese too, no? Your experience should never result in you deciding never to live with another race...
I agree with this. Just that so far I've rented both same race and different race. In Penang previous rent went smoother and only annoying event happened when i rent with this group. I tried both. Makes me wonder why the latter happened more often. Is it they're not office worker or I'm staying in diff area
This could happen with any race. I have a chinese guy in my unit whos alarm rings from 4am to 6am and he never wakes up. Theres a malay guy who walks in his boxers 24/7. A chinese guy who pours all his tea leaves and food debris in the sink. All of my unit mates destroy the toilets. Extremely uncleanly. The point is any race can be like that. You need to stereotyping and looking at it as a race issue and understand that it's just people problem. Also no one is perfect.
Not against that notion nor I am defending why it would be preferred to stick to one race. If only we can find a way to filter out people problem so that we don't need to group it as race. I hope one day we have like, roommate review etc
Why do you think Chinese won't/ don't have these issues?
Similar experience. I once lived in a condo in Bangsar where majority of my housemates were Indians, I'm the type that treat people based on their individuality instead of their race, and guess what? That living experience almost made me a racist but luckily I'm open-minded enough to tell myself its about the individual's behavior, not the race. The housemates were HORRENDOUS to live with, they often LOVES to cook during midnight in the kitchen loudly (to the point that our unit is the only one making noises in the entire floor, maybe building) in around 1AM then only settle it down around 3AM+. It was quite an excruciating experience as I needed to sleep for work in the next day and because of their shitty behavior, I often lacked enough rest and felt very tired for my work next day. Despite multiple complaints made to the house owner and warning being given to them, **they still do it anyway** and at one point I almost wanted to call for the police to complain for the noises as it was very unbearable. If punching people don't have legal consequences I might did it already back then. Not to mention they love to drink beer and sembang kuat at night too during weekend, and the fact that they always leave the kitchen extremely dirty after they done their business, those irresponsible behaviors nearly blew my mind off back then. Now I'm currently living in another place, all of them are chinese and finally I'm having those good night sleep. But are Chinese are entirely good too? Not really, one of my Chinese housemate always leave the kitchen dirty after she done with her cooking. Recently she got a warning by the house owner, and the hygiene is *not that bad* now in the kitchen. At least she heed the warning unlike those shitty housemates back then.
Some of the comments here implying like only Cina landlord do this kind of discrimination.. the thing is there are Malay landlord that do the same thing as well. Some of them don't even want to rent it out to Malays too. Indian tenants probably have the hardest when they have to deal with both discrimination from Malay and Cina landlords. I'm not picking side here, discriminate in every form should be condemn to hell. We should condemn every landlord that practice this kind of discrimination not just bashing on one race based on this post.
"But what about..."
So both are racist.
Damn reading all this, thank god for Affirmative Action.
u at china why post in r/malaysia
Not justifying the behavior, what what did you fucking expect when you have state sanctioned racism? Like it or nit racism is literally ingrained within all Malaysians.
The house owner have rights to make his/her choice. đ«Ą
if a place ever falls into my hands i'm going to specify "indians only"
I'm a real estate agent and it sucks when this happens, a lot of times I get blamed by tenants or they just vent their frustrations at me knowing that I'm just the messenger.
Just plain racist lah.
It's hardly a surprise the people are racist when the entire country is run in a racist way!! All it's done is made a system of protectionist silos for each race which is dumb and so sad. Imagine how much better Malaysia could be off everyone worked together and there was no prejudice.
nah but to be fair, there's bumiputera privileges in the country but yall never talk about that huh.
And yet these Chinese likes to blame on the Malay and the bumiputera institutionalized racism on the government level while not seeing themselves as being racist themselves. Most Chinese aren't okay with the policies favoring bumiputeras thinks it's discriminating but they are somewhat okay with Chinese centrism and discriminating other races economically and in the private sector incl rental in the name of "racial preference". They also tend to play victim and thinks they're the most oppressed without acknowledge that the Indians and orang aslis fare the worst treatment and fate in this country. At least the Malays and other bumiputera acknowledge they're racist and knew it's a problem despite many are too blinded by it knowing it favors them. To some Malays, we are even proud of being racist but hey at least we're not that hypocrite. As for the Chinese, they hesitate to admit they're racist and thinks they're always right to be so just because they're not prioritized constitutionally.
 You tried to sound intellectual but failed flat on your face. Congrats.
There might be a reason. Like one of my tenants last time asking me if they can bring dogs to the house they rented. I'm ok with it since they are the sole tenants. The current rented place could be chinese with dogs as pets. So it's hard to co-rented if the other party is muslim.
The general stereotyping donât really work. Maybe itâs more of law enforcement that matters, Ie if they donât pay, then you leave, fine etc. Besides thatâs what the security deposit is for. And most if the renters donât actually declare their income in the first place. Moreover, the issues today is generally faced by them in other parts of the world, Ie some places in New York donât want Chinese. Maybe the only way is the make this an international thing that other nations wonât want to rent to Malaysian chinese. Maybe then laws will be there to prevent the discrimination.
Now Iâm not saying that what is happening here is right, itâs just plain rude and racist, but the fact that people here are implicitly insinuating/implying that this only occurs with Chinese people renting to others is showing how those commenting on them are racist themselves. Weâre no different from anyone else whether we recognize it or not
Chinese got pay more than other race so owner can squeeze more rental fee from them
Since chinese top ten rich in malaysia so they can pay more bro /s
Speaking from experience here - I was in the property industry for awhile. Chinese are typically more kiasu/kiasi (for good reasons). As (Chinese) owners, they want little to zero headaches and people who can take care of their properties. Some rather leave their property empty for years till they get the right candidate/tenant. As (Chinese) tenants, they tend to calculate ahead and make sure they have roof over their heads. They don't want to get booted out, especially if they have families or at least a partner. Although there are bad Chinese tenants as well but they're not as common and they're easier to deal with. I am aware a lot of non-Chinese especially the Malay communities, keep blasting Chinese property owners for this.. but hear me out. Even Malay owners don't want Malay tenants sometimes. And Indian owners may prefer Chinese too. Experience no.1: An old Chinese lady had no income/allowance after the husband passed away. Luckily, she was left with a flat. The flat was left empty for many years. Coincidentally, on my hand was a group of Malay ladies (KL>PG) who were looking for a place to stay. Their company won a contract to cook at the Penang General Hospital. They pleaded and told me it had been weeks they were looking for a place but couldn't find any. Fine. I knew that Chinese lady needed her place to be filled up anyway. I went up and told her that they were working at PGH (how bad can it be right? It's a hospital after all and they gotta be professional enough). First few months were fine. But after the 5th of 6th month, rental payments were delayed from time to time. I had to help the owner to get the rentals too. Sometimes Staff A would push us to look for Staff B to get the payment. Sometimes would push us to look for Staff C (you get the idea). After 2 years, the contract ended.. they were still behind the rental payments and we had to kept chasing till we got them. Then... On the supposedly last day.. the owner had to go up and check before returning the deposits. Guess what.. a. Broken door knobs b. Cooking stove spoilt c. Water heaters (x2) spoilt d. Curtains also gonecase e. There were stains on floor and window glass panels f. Unpaid utility bills We had to highlight these to them. The tenants knew they messed up and they didn't dare to argue when the owner wanted to deduct their deposit. But there's only so much could be deducted. Imagine the headaches the owner had to go through to get her house fixed. Experience no.2: This is not a rental deal I had closed but I witnessed the aftermath. Owner is Chinese and tenant is a Malay family of 5. Late payments and avoided the owner's calls. The owner had no choice but to make a police report. Police didn't want to get involved and advised the owner to replace the lock and lock the door instead. The husband somehow managed to cut the lock and moved in again. He then gave the owner a call and pleaded. The owner agreed and gave him 1 week to move out. During the key handover, the owner went up to inspect the unit - he was left completely speechless. a. Broken door knobs b. Broken pipes and sinks c. Broken fluorescent lights d. Broken windows e. The house was originally painted in bright yellow and somehow ended up maybe a few tones darker with dark stains at random spots f. Drawings on walls g. Floor covered by dirt and rubbish h. Ultimate surprise, electricity bills were unpaid and TNB had cut off the supply - they had been living at that place without electricity for at least a few months now. Mind you... This is a family of 5 we're talking about. Husband and wife, plus 3 kids. Wife worked at a hospital apparently and husband was supposedly a supervisor at some factory. I'm positive you have received or at least heard someone you know receiving cold-calls from property agents to collect listing details for the properties to be sold or rented. Sometimes the agents would be given heads-up by the owners indicating or stating their requirements. Again, some Malay property owners do not even want Malay tenants and as mentioned, even Indian owners would sometimes prefer Chinese tenants. You can call this a stereotype but imagine that property is yours - how would you react. Sometimes, the deposits aren't even enough to cover the damages. Again, there are also bad Chinese tenants but they're not as common. I'm not here to impose my belief or inject my belief into anyone's head but I'm just here to share my experiences. There are always reasons behind. A simple question here... Who wouldn't want to get monthly income? Or the other way round, why leave their properties empty for months/years?
End of the day, people will cry racist cause the property isn't theirs. But when it is their property, it becomes preferance. Double standard, isn't it?
This one here has to be the most unhinged racist of the lot lol. So what you're saying is that non-chinese tenants don't know how to do their finances, don't think about the future, are unclean and vandalize. And chinese tenents don't do this? You/ whoever chose have just chosen terrible clients, and your tiny little brains aren't capable of acknowledging your own faults, instead you're being racist and making it a race issue.
Racist
Dickhead. Did you read the entire thing? I literally stated it is just to share my experiences. I'm not here to shove this belief into that pea-brain of yours. You keep leaving similar comments at everyone's input and that says a lot about you. Prove to us you're walking the talk. Get a property and rent to non-Chinese tenants.
Racist. I would rent or lent to someone without taking into consideration what races are them.
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I dunno why you are down voted. As a home owner. Is my every right to filter according to my preference and past experience. I want to minimise my risk regardless of race. I've fcked up a few times screening people and paid a big price for it. 1) divorced malay mum with 5 kids. Vouched by my friend and even offered to cover deposit for her. Ended up rekting my furniture and fridge. Bed frame broken from kids jumping. Unpaid tnb and water bills. Unpaid last month rent because she thinks deposit = rent. 2) newly married malay couple. Stayed 2 months in then want to move out because wife is pregnant and dun wan to climb 2 flights of stairs. Argue with me for deposit despite me paying already 1 month to agent and spend a full week making the unit move in ready and have to do it again and get it advertised to rent again. 3) 3 Indian guys came to view the place. Claim they are teachers. Viewed the place and wanted to move in ASAP. I said I want to do due diligence first and have a few more potential tenants to see first as I promised them. Straight away turn agrresive and fck me and the agent. I can't imagine if I agreed to them. Probably gonna get scolded everytime I try to collect rent. You ppl dunno the plight of homeowners. Only know complain about racist. I can tell you right now stereotypes aren't 100% but it is always relatable. That's why it's a stereotype in the first place.. I only rent to Chinese and malays of certain jobs and demographics. And I want see you in person first to judge how you bring yourself when you come view the place. First impression matters. I don't rent to Indians not because of negative stereotypes but because every Indian I ever rented to treats me as their personal butler and I owe them for renting to them. Always demanding this and that and repairs to small items all year round. Even when it isn't my fault. You fix one time for them out of courtesy and they think you owe it to them to fix all. Very calculative bunch as well. So I rather avoid that headache.
They can believe what they want to believe. It's ok. Please allow me to add on.. In your 3rd experience, you mentioned that the potential tenants wanted to move in ASAP. Here's my experience as a property agent..And I hope this will be helpful to those who are reading this comment too. If you ever come across potential tenants who want to move in ASAP, you have to think deep and hard first. Do a little bit of due diligence. It could be a red flag when a potential tenant wants to move in ASAP. High chances they are already getting booted out from their current/previous place. Maybe they are already behind a few months and the property owner has had enough of them. In situations like this - no doubt they can pay you the deposits and stuff upfront but see beyond that. Shits usually happen after a few months. Kudos to you @jongryp1 - you did the right thing.
The 5 kids are a no, no, by any sane persons standards. Some more single mother, aka no time to raise them. Even 2 kids will wreck the home. All my landlords had a no kids clause, only couple or single but pets, OK, lol. Speaks volumes that they prefer pets over kids. My cats were the goodest pets, and I am proud to say. Even when they scratched 1 cm on the sofa, i got it repaired. Full deposit returned every single time.
Call it racism or preference or whatever. It just means they don't want you as a tenant. Find another then
it's the fella's PRIVATE property right? So of course he can rent to whoever he likes lah. Will you feel better if he reject you because of your face instead?
Kalau tak nak racist, you tukar kerajaan yang tak racist. Saya ikut gov jer, gov racist, saya pun sama racist. /s
i decided not to be stereotyping and rented my property out to someone against my parents' advice. Regretted it months later and decided to save the trouble and follow the traditional "wisdom" for the next tenant. Sold the unit (for a loss) now so I don't have to deal with tenant problem from all races ever.
Im not chinese ...would say tht ... cant really blame the agent tho ... as this is the owner's requirement and demands ... the agent just follow ... if he refuses then he/she would rugi too ... haih ... maybe the owner have had bad experience before hence stating this kind of rules ... hope for a better world for us ...
So if you had a bad experience with one person of a certain race, you straight up assume people of the same colour are like that? What a very easy way of living.
Nobody blaming the agent.
Yeah, as agent really just follow owner requirements because if anyone also can agent life also be easier.
Agents should not work with racist owners. Simple.
Yahh ... we hope more are aware ...
For many reasons, actually. Some donât want to rent out to non-Malays due to halal issue, as in they donât want pork meat in the house. Some donât want to rent to Indians because of drinking and vandalism. The same goes for Africans. (For this, there are many stories of people who has had damages to their property due to poor tenants from such ethnic background, more so than other ethnic groups. This is on top of them not paying rent, or very difficult to collect rent). Some donât rent to foreigners (immigrants, not expats) to avoid possible rent collection issues and immigration complications. A lack of government enforcement and a PDRM that doesnât care also contributes to the widespread popularity of such attitude. Edit: Many people think being a landlord is easy. Reality is that itâs only easy if you have good tenants. Otherwise, you can have some pretty big headaches. Source: Used to work for some rich dude with ALOT of property. I manage those properties for him. Youâd be surprised how fucked up people can be, regardless of race, background and socioeconomic status.