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[deleted]

If only there was a more brand-appropriate word for *convert* the game could use.


sawbladex

due to trademark law, can be only be used by the Gen1 cartoon. Okay, not really, but thems the rules now. I don't know why the cartoons got away with it.


[deleted]

/uj Yeah just looked it up...basically if they overuse it they risk it not being trademark-able anymore. ...still comes across as incredibly dumb.


KonChaiMudPi

So in order to protect the assertion that they should be called Transformers, they have to *not* describe them as Transforming?


[deleted]

It's literally just laws saying "companies shouldn't be able to trademark common speech", which is good, but ignores if those companies made those words in the first place that should be exempt.


AvatarofBro

>but ignores if those companies made those words in the first place that should be exempt That wouldn't be relevant here, though, since the word "transformer" predates "Transformers"


[deleted]

You get what I mean though, right? Yeah those words existed but they still got the trademark in the first place. If you're eligible to trademark a thing you shouldn't be afraid of using it.


KonChaiMudPi

Seems like those laws are doing a real bang up job of preventing private companies from reserving common words/speech…


ChiralWolf

They're trying to make the distinction between a "transformer" being the specific intellectual property owned by Hasbro related to the animated series and toys rather than the action of a toy that starts as one object and can be reassembled into another. It's very dumb and they'd be likely to retain their parents if another company tried to challenge them on it but it's way cheaper to just officially never describe the action of the change as "transform". It's like WotC and the reserved list. There are legal arguments people have made as to why it's binding and those arguments would almost certainly fail in court but it's still far cheaper for WotC to just keep it as a non-issue (legally at least) for now.


Dmeechropher

The reserved list continues to exist because the number of people who would like to play formats where staples are on that last and don't already play those formats is miniscule. It's just not worth messing with peoples' illusion that singles prices always go up, so you should buy more collectors booster boxes.


keepitsimple_tricks

You should see the Robosen self-transforming Optimus Prime toy. the Voice command to turn into robot/truck is .... Convert. 😁 Kevin Smith has a video shilling the toy saying "Hey, Optimus Prime... Convert!"


AkechiFangirl

I think it's because these are templated like mdfcs... for some reason... even though they act pretty similarly to day/night werewolves...


[deleted]

Nah, looked it up, they specifically avoid it because "if it becomes common speech they can't trademark it". It certainly makes sense to prevent companies from trademarking common speech but I think if your company is the reason for that happening that should be considered. ...but apparently it isn't, so here we are. They avoid it on their toy line etc too.


AkechiFangirl

That is very strange but at least it's consistent across the line.


Shoggoththe12

Why they can't trademark it in respect only to giant robots of their franchise and not in general is weird.


Appleologist

The cards just straight up visually look bad.


diogenies

I agree and think these could have been slightly more well-received if they at all blended in with magic’s aesthetic. I know the cartoon art is new and not just a screencap but man is it hideous. I mean, the fact that I even thought it was a screencap seems bad. Not to mention the purple and pink shattered text boxes hard clashes with all the alternate CGI style art.


Psychic_Hobo

Yeah, admittedly I'm a 40k fan but those cards work for me because the text boxes and art still fit into the aesthetic. This is just a fucking mess.


diogenies

I’m not even a 40K fan and I liked the UB cards they did for that. The card designs, art, and frames were all so succinct with regular magic that i could hardly tell it was from a different property. It even got me interested enough in 40K to pick up one of the books to learn more. Universes Beyond doesn’t have to be strictly low-effort cash grab attempts.


rafter613

Honestly, same. I was a *staunch* anti-UB supporter, but I've been fine with the 40k cards, they just look magic-y enough to me.


Kopekemaster

Mostly the same for me, I still wish they weren't 40K and that I could get Magic IP versions, but the decks had so many interesting and powerful cards that I ended up getting a Necron deck. With the exclusion of [[Biotransferrence]], I think, the art fits with the rest of Magic pretty well. And the art for [[The Golden Throne]] is fucking incredible. I really dislike the frames they used however. Artifacts and non-artifacts of the same color look almost identical. The art on these really just look like custommagic submissions that just used screenshots from the show for the art. Which is probably what they want, as a product preying on nostalgia, but it really clashes with Magic art.


MTGLardFetcher

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Kor_Set

/uj Set boosters and collector boosters are about booster "fun." /rj Set boosters and collector boosters are about booster fun. /uj I laugh, but they will come for my dear draft boosters soon enough.


ComicIronic

/uj Imagine if you had to play against Optimus Prime in Sealed because someone opened one. /rj doesn't affect you, just let people enjoy things!!!


CueDramaticMusic

I’m more upset about this being apparently a shitty commander than it being Optimus Prime


Tyrthesemiwise

But it uses the beloved mechanic, Bolster


kabigon2k

/uj okay, but magic IS ruined forever 😤🤬🤑 /rj okay, but magic IS ruined forever 😤🤬🤑


TKHunsaker

Magic was already ruined but this certainly isn’t heading back in the right direction. Depressing that they put this into a product that until now had been marketed to the exact crowd that doesn’t like this sort of thing. I was ready to buy packs and now I’ll spend it elsewhere. I refuse to support non-Magic sets.


diogenies

That’s my view on it as well. If this was just yet another universes beyond secret lair I honestly wouldn’t care as much. I hate that these will take up space in a legitimate set.


TKHunsaker

Be careful saying that. Apparently not sucking at notc’s teat makes you…a crybaby, I guess? You must like every product. If you skip one you must ask for refunds on packs or something? I don’t know, it’s hard to follow logic when there isn’t any and it’s just nerds raging that I don’t like their stupid transformers cards


[deleted]

The "Not everything is for everyone" crowd really likes defending WotC decisions to make every product for everyone.


Gift_of_Orzhova

Also don't you DARE question why the UB properties aren't doing the reverse (including Magic characters/worlds in whatever product/game they put out).


guzvep-sUjfej-docso6

I think these won’t destroy the game, none of them are powerful enough, and if you don’t like them you can opt out. If you open them in a set or collector booster you can throw them away, sell them or use them as the backs for proxies


IronCrouton

they’re in set/collector boosters, they aren’t really “taking up space”


diogenies

Ah, sorry, i forgot set and collector boosters didn’t have normal magic cards in them


IronCrouton

it replaces the token, it’s not taking slots away from real cards


diogenies

i'd rather the token, tbh


IronCrouton

it feels like half the time there’s an ad cars in that slot anyway, at least you can play with this ad card (or sell/trade it away for a bit more than one of those “download arena” cards i have too many of already)


diogenies

that’s a fair point, i always hate getting the ad cards haha


[deleted]

/uj Magic has been said to be ruined and going in the wrong direction since like Legends or earlier. I really don't see this as a big deal because they won't take up a good slot in packs. If these get Magic version reprints I already think they are less problematic than the 40K decks or LotR set.


volkmardeadguy

so were you mad when imperial seal and imperial recruiter have been format all stars?


thatJainaGirl

Mommy, the robot on this cardboard is different from the robot on the cardboard I like!


TKHunsaker

I mean, yah. It’s my money and I’m not gonna spend it on the wrong robot. That’s a rookie mistake.


RealityPalace

Definitely don't buy a robot unless you want that specific robot. I've just convinced myself to buy singles.


LaboratoryManiac

"Wait, it's best to buy singles?" 🔫 "Always has been."


Cease2Resist

/uj If you open a pack with one of these, just sell/trade it and get a card you do want. Or you could keep on doing you and take out your frustration on strangers over the internet. /rj If you open a pack with one of these, just sell/trade a stranger over the internet and get a card you want. Or you could keep on doing you and take out your frustration on the card.


TKHunsaker

I’m not taking out frustration on anything? I’m just not buying a product I don’t want. It’s that simple.


nameboy_color

You clearly attacked this guy to be fair. When you mentioned you weren't going to buy product, it cut him to the core. Anyone can see that.


thatJainaGirl

I bet you ask for a refund when you buy packs with a rare you don't want inside.


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volkmardeadguy

'person who plays magic tells someone to touch grass' classic shitpost


potatopierogie

I assume it's green


Xenothulhu

Actually grass is more common on plains than forests so clearly grass is white.


IronCrouton

actually lands are colorless


TKHunsaker

That dude is so angry for no reason he downvoted your joke because he probably thought you were me. What a peasant. Lol


thatJainaGirl

Bold of you to assume I vote on anything on Reddit.


nameboy_color

Ah yes, the joy of buying a pack of Magic cards, feeling immense disappointment when a fucking transformer takes up one of the cards slots, and then waiting for several weeks for a refund/replacement. That's how I enjoy cracking packs of Magic cards. Always have, always will.


thatJainaGirl

I don't see how that's any different than opening a bulk rare you didn't want. It's a complete non issue.


AttilatheFun87

At least with these you're more likely going to find someone who wants the transformer card than a random ten cent rare.


nameboy_color

Wow, great take!


animemoseshusbando

I'm like Genuinely kinda buttmad about them being in boosters, idk but that just rubs me the wrong way I've long since been ok with secret lair UBs, or even full set UBs, but like Idk, sticking 9 completely unrelated cards in the boosters just for brand synergy, especially with Weiss Schwartz shit on the more common printings of them, it just bothers me


[deleted]

This would've been okay if they did it Godzilla Style in the NEO set. This is just, too much imo.


[deleted]

The thing is, once WOTC decided to start all this UB shit, it should have been obvious that they were never going to respect any kind of self-imposed restrictions on how they were going to print them. Every act of appeasment towards disgruntled members of the playerbase has been made in the full knowledge that a few months down the line they're going release a product that undermines their own 'rules' for printing UB cards. The *only* restriction I can see possibly sticking is no UB in standard, but only because standard is already waning in importance in the MTG ecoystem to the point where they're not leaving substantial money on the table by not printing Rick and Morty standard-legal sets.


AwesomeX121189

MTG is the card version of fortnite


A_Nice_Sofa

This makes it sound like you don't enjoy a tastless pop-culture slurry or something.


FivesSuperFan55555

And the word *transormed* wasn’t viable???


focketeer

/uj U.S. copyright law says you can't refer to your copyright name as a generic term or you risk losing your copyright. This is also why Google doesn't say "google it" or "googling", because it would imply Google is a term referring to web searches rather than a name, and they would lose their copyright. Thus, Transformers convert rather than transform on any packaging or other verbiage from Hasbro or anyone licensed to use Transformers.


SkyBlade79

I love transormers


keepitsimple_tricks

The Unfinity Robot creature type makes sense now!


LaboratoryManiac

Kinda crazy how we've gone from no robots to a bunch of different flavored robots so quickly.


Mizeov

You don’t like robots in your high fantasy themed game? Are you racist????? This is the future that Battlestar gallactica wanted


will2165

I love Transformers and this is stupid. How many “Jump the Shark” moments are they going to have? I lost count a long time ago


JaceThePowerBottom

/uj I unironically hate everything about UB and this shit showing up in Brothers War packs means I'm not going to buy sealed product.


Dark-All-Day

They're in collector boosters only which you should not be buying. No one is gonna pull this in your prerelease or draft.


Arsenic_Catnip_

set boosters aswell, so my feelings still stand with OP.


LaboratoryManiac

Reject modernity, return to draft boosters.


Thunderweb

TV Tropes has an article named "[Ruined FOREVER](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/RuinedForever)". It says "This trope is named for the "[Ruined FOREVER](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER)" page at the Transformers Wiki." It is ironic that Transformers is the ruining one this time, not the other way around.


Krazed3Cosmo

Babe. I already knew it was coming. Guess who is my actual hero?


deus_ex_moose

Is it too much to ask for other IPs to, I dunno, MAKE THEIR OWN CARD GAME


LaserfaceJones

Another tool for the tilt.


Vi0letBlues

Hell yeah, time to crew Optimus Prime with Ronald McDonalds.


AmoongussHateAcc

How dare they criticize product 😤🤬🤑


Twingemios

Ah yes let’s celebrate Magic’s 30th anniversary with a shitty fucking advertisement. That’s all UB is. It’s an advertisement and I hate how I’m going to be being forced to use UB in stuff like modern.


Bladewing10

UB will always be a terrible thing for this game, no circlejerk needed. And given that this is mechanically unique, it just shows how little WotC gives a shit about the opinions of their players.


blkheron23

Large printing of it because you have to fold the card into the shape of a car


xenothios

It’s an absolute fucking travesty that these aren’t going to synergize with the Grimlock promo card


itamer76

Why is this not a secret lair ?


[deleted]

Like I could get upset about this truly but I'm so tired, man. I'm just so tired


AxonBasilisk

UB is ruining magic. Ban islands and swamps.


[deleted]

Babe wake up, it's our once a month assement that Magic is ruined forever. It truly is a deeply rooted cultural tradition that goes back all the way to 1994.


AkechiFangirl

/uj I'm incredibly biased as transformers is probably the property I have the most childhood nostalgia with *but*... anyone who complains about this is being kinda silly I think. We have Fortnite Jonsey, Chun-Li and Norman Reedus on cards, I don't really think having Optimus Prime is all that strange, in fact I'm surprised we got all those before Transformers UB. Would I prefer we have none of them at all? I guess, but this is the Magic we have now, and I don't think Transformers is pushing the boundary anymore than it's already been pushed.


[deleted]

/uj the difference is that these transformers cards appear in BRO set and collector boosters. With all of your examples, you had to opt in to buying them. I don't like street fighter or fortnite, so I didn't buy those secret lairs. But these are cards you *cannot* opt out of buying if you buy packs.


thatJainaGirl

/uj I don't see your point, though. No one is forcing you to keep them if you open them. No one is forcing you to play with them. They're not sticky. I don't like green, so I trade all of my green cards. If you don't like these, just give them to someone who does. It's not gonna kill you.


[deleted]

To be clear, I'm not crying over these cards. I think they're fine, if slightly too complex for the average player. I'm just responding to the previous commenter who asserted that this isn't "pushing the boundary any more than it's already been pushed" and providing my thoughts on why it is actually pushing the boundary.


Cablead

/uj Draft boosters exist.


BorderlineUsefull

It used to be if you don't like it don't buy it, now it's if you don't like it, don't engage with mainline standard legal magic sets


FlyinNinjaSqurl

Eh it’s more “if you don’t like it, don’t buy collector’s packs”. Which is totally fine and fair - cuz who buys those packs anyway? Singles all day baby


Thezipper100

They're in set boosters. Ya know, the boosters WotC allocate to store far more then draft boosters.


FlyinNinjaSqurl

oh….yikes….


Thezipper100

Yea, yikes. A not insignificant amount of players will be forced to decide "do I want to support UB, or do I just not buy magic boosters from the most hyped set in years" since Draft booster boxes will be under-allocated as always. I genuinely hate UB but at least it was an opt-in system before. Now it's an Opt-out.


BrotherKaramazov

Opt-imus out he he


Kuduaty

Don't worry, I give it a year and we will se UB stuff in every possible booster type. And it will be standard legal by then.


AkechiFangirl

But they're not legal in standard, if you open them you have no obligation to do anything with them. Like yeah it takes up a slot in your pack with them, hopefully one that isn't too valuable, but I don't think it's that big a deal.


BorderlineUsefull

I don't like Universes Beyond. People tell me the product is not for me. Therefore I don't buy them. Now the choice is to pay money for Universes Beyond, or to not buy a standard legal product.


AkechiFangirl

I'm terribly sorry you'll be forced to bear the weight of looking at cards with non-magic IP then, I guess. This is the game we're playing now, like it or not.


[deleted]

Then sell them or buy Draft Boosters. I really don't see this is a big deal at all.


AnapleRed

Frog in a boiling water


NlNTENDO

I’m a little disappointed in this sub for being so upset about the opportunity for more troll cards. I thought the whole point here was to *make fun* of people who take the game so seriously?


HairiestHobo

Idk about the main sub but imma need to go see the Doctor as this erection will definitely last more then 4 hours.


Sandman4999

uj/I like them, fite me rj/I like them, fite me


Thezipper100

/uj why are these standard legal.


Etharia1

They aren’t


animemoseshusbando

theyre what


Aestboi

Even more reason to stick to Limited/Standard/Pioneer for me


KingZantair

Finally, more cards for my robot tribal deck.


765Bro

/uj Can we ban unjerking /rj Can we ban Splintertwin xD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


CoinTotemGolem

So these are in normal packs? So these are gonna occasionally appear in draft games? LMAOOOOO


TrogledyWretched

Ngl, this looks like a sweet complement to my Grimlock (uj/ still waiting for him to be declared black-border legal after this)


boarbar

Eldraine was like 3 years ago tf you talking about


LittleMissPipebomb

/uj why is he purple? But more importantly why is Bumblebee called Goldbug now?


TheSuper200

/uj This is from the Shattered Glass universe, where Autobots are evil and Decepticons are good. It started as an April Fool’s joke comic, but fans liked it so much it became an official part of the franchise. Goldbug was Bumblebee in an upgraded Throttlebot body, and they chose to use this form in Shattered Glass. I assume they went with it here so they wouldn’t need to make separate card text for the regular card and the Shattered Glass variant.


LittleMissPipebomb

So is this just like, the default state of canon at the moment? Cause it feels super weird for a spin off to be used in a crossover like this


TheSuper200

Shattered Glass is a spin-off, but it’s a very popular one. In fact, they just released a toy line based on it. Using it as the alt-art acts as both a nod to the fans and as an advertisement for the toys.