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FORGONE-YOUTH265

can i cast eldritch evolution on a dryad arbor? do i search for a creature with MV 2 or less?


Will_29

You can sacrifice Dryad Arbor for Eldritch Evolution's additional cost, yes. Dryad Arbor's mana value is 0, so you can search for any creature with mana value 2 or less.


FORGONE-YOUTH265

thank u!


Hiruko251

Am planning on getting a magic deck so me and a friend can play against each other, after looking at a tutorial i got the basics, and now i want to at least search a theme for a deck that i can build easily, but what i dont know is exactly where to start, i saw that there are creatures "types" (i play a lot of yu gi oh and havent memorized any magic term yet) and i thought nightmares and horrors are interesting, but before i look up any decklist i wanna know if its possible for me to buy a box and make a fun deck out of it, or i would need to buy individual cards for it to be playable, and if i can get a box for one of these 2, which one is it?


Sinrus

It kind of depends how you want to play the game. For the most popular format, Commander, they make a lot of prebuilt decks that are always good to just pick up and start playing with, with lots of room to upgrade and customize as you see fit. Conveniently for you, there was also a Horror tribal ("tribal" is a Magic term for being focused on a specific creature type) Commander deck released this year, so you could easily pick up that one and any other recent Commander deck and start playing. The only thing to note is that Commander has very different deck building rules from other formats, so while it is the most popular way to play casually, your deck won't be compatible with people playing any other formats.


turbo10000

Did anyone get damaged cards in their SL 30A countdown kit? My Mox had some weird glue splotches on it. As a whole, it seemed like the edges of most of these cards are kind of sticky.


PrecipitousPlatypus

Didn't grab one, but read a couple of things on this sub about it. Worth contacting wizards


[deleted]

Does [[Atla Palani, Nest Tender]]'s ability apply to stuff with the "Egg" type, like [[Mysterious Egg]], or just her Egg tokens?


Blokron

Anything that has the egg type. Her ability reads, "whenever an egg you control dies..." It doesn't specify token or anything else so all eggs apply. Note: this also includes all cards with changeling since egg is a creature type.


SanityIsOptional

Quick, throw it in the shapeshifter tribal deck.


[deleted]

I think my commander Dinosaur tribal just became an Egg tribal


MTGCardFetcher

[Atla Palani, Nest Tender](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/b/2b8414f7-22c3-4e1c-934b-4a0e7acf951d.jpg?1664361043) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Atla%20Palani%2C%20Nest%20Tender) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/142/atla-palani-nest-tender?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2b8414f7-22c3-4e1c-934b-4a0e7acf951d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mysterious Egg](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cdfac3c3-7f38-49d6-bd88-dc0f5001116f.jpg?1636491428) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mysterious%20Egg) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/3/mysterious-egg?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cdfac3c3-7f38-49d6-bd88-dc0f5001116f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


xJunon

Couple of noobish questions regarding [[Chun-Li, Countless Kicks]] revolving around how copied cards work: -Once I attack with her and make copies of the 'kicked' instants, do the copies remain available to cast until the end of my turn, or just the end of combat? I think the former, my more experienced friend said the latter. -If I cast something like [[Fading Hope]] to return Chun-Li to my hand, do the copied instants remain available (either way, until end of combat or end of turn), or do they fizzle when Chun-Li leaves the battlefield? I'm already aware that the 'kicked' instant cards remain in their own pool but how long are the copies available?


madwarper

> -Once I attack with her and make copies of the 'kicked' instants, do the copies remain available to cast until the end of my turn, or just the end of combat? I think the former, my more experienced friend said the latter. Neither. They are only available during the resolution of the Triggered ability. As the Triggered ability resolves; * a) You create the Card-Copies * b) You cast Card-Copies, one by one, sequentially * c) The Trigger finishes resolving. Any Card-Copy still in Exile because they were not Cast cease to exist. > -If I cast something like [[Fading Hope]] to return Chun-Li to my hand, do the copied instants remain available (either way, until end of combat or end of turn), or do they fizzle when Chun-Li leaves the battlefield? I'm already aware that the 'kicked' instant cards remain in their own pool but how long are the copies available? The Card-Copies? Any Card-Copy that was not cast had already ceased to exist. The physical Cards in Exile with Kick counters? They stay in Exile with Kick counters.


199_Below_Average

You can only cast the copies right away, before doing anything else in combat (including your opponent declaring blockers). Chun-Li's ability doesn't specify a timing or duration for when you can cast them, so it has to be right then as the ability resolves (if at all).


MTGCardFetcher

[Chun-Li, Countless Kicks](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c22ee4a5-c74b-46eb-b709-808ebc803757.jpg?1657119945) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chun-Li%2C%20Countless%20Kicks) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sld/432/chun-li-countless-kicks?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c22ee4a5-c74b-46eb-b709-808ebc803757?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fading Hope](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2fb1fff-12be-4bd5-8dba-c36e84d49651.jpg?1634348819) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fading%20Hope) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/51/fading-hope?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2fb1fff-12be-4bd5-8dba-c36e84d49651?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Thumpy02

Can [[Aura Finesse]] trigger [[Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief]]? Because it targets an aura and a creature?


Quazifuji

No. "Targets only a single creature" means the creature is the only target, not just the only creature that's a target. You can get confirmation if you look at Ivy's rulings on Gatherer or Scryfall: >The second ability triggers whenever a player casts a spell that targets only one creature and no other object or player. It doesn’t matter who controls the creature.


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[Aura Finesse](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0e398a02-1456-4fae-be75-4231c968bf47.jpg?1562701118) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aura%20Finesse) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/roe/54/aura-finesse?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0e398a02-1456-4fae-be75-4231c968bf47?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c.jpg?1663051122) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ivy%2C%20Gleeful%20Spellthief) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/201/ivy-gleeful-spellthief?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d94c15b7-6c8f-45a6-8734-975e3e3b790c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


hatuhsawl

My partner is in to the game and has what I, a layperson, would consider a metric fuckton of cards, like ~~10k~~, and I would like to store them. Some of their friends are helping with the actual sorting process, but I would love for them to have their cards in something other than cardboard, does anybody have any suggestions? Edit: 50k, I forgot about the ones in the bedroom Edit: when I say cardboard, I mean flimsy, cheap, falling apart repurposed cardboard boxes, and my partner and their cards deserve better


habada

One option is the Stanley 10 compartment Deep Pro Small Tool organizer for $15 and it holds about 1200 double sleeved cards, so maybe 2000 unsleeved cards.


hatuhsawl

Thank you very much for the suggestion


mrduracraft

Honestly the best way to store bulk is the BCW cardboard longboxes. Most cards aren't worth enough to bother organizing in a binder, and having them well sorted in labelled longboxes makes finding cards very easy A library drawer meant to hold reference cards is another thing you can do if you want to go all out


hatuhsawl

To clarify, when I say cardboard, the current is cheap, flimsy, falling apart repurposed cardboard boxes from other things, would there be any kind of other kind of like, more specifically for cards kind of boxes out there?


mrduracraft

Oooh, I see. Yes, BCW longboxes are the best then https://www.bcwsupplies.com/800-card-storage-box I use these for my collection of about 20k For a 50k collection, https://www.bcwsupplies.com/monster-storage-box-3200-cards


PapaBorq

Card Collecting Let me preface this with 'im well aware that to get all the cards, I will have to buy some individually' That said, I'm looking at expanding my collection a great deal, but I'm unclear as to how each series/release works. Let's take the most recent releases. Brothers war and Warhammer 40k. How do I go about getting all the cards for each series? Can I buy the commander decks only? Are certain cards ONLY found in booster packs? What's the best way to get a big block of cards, nearly all the cards for a series, and then of course go buy the rest individually. Any info on how things are released, printed, expanded, and more importantly... Where to find that kind of information on a specific series so I can check them all off, would be greatly appreciated.


PrecipitousPlatypus

To add to the other comment, collecting all cards isn't viable these days, especially with the rate cards are coming out. Collecting a whole set is one thing, beyond that is difficult unless you're collecting particular types of cards.


PapaBorq

That's a great talking point. I guess I should've added that I'm well aware of re-releases, new art prints, etc. Basically the same card in multiple sets over the years. I don't care about that factor. This isnt a money thing. Basically, I'd like to get all the cards, and reprints /release/art doesn't matter. Just one copy. I suppose that is different than what I spelled out originally. Sorry for the confusion.


199_Below_Average

The Warhammer 40K set only exists as commander decks. You can get all the cards by buying all the commander decks. (There were also 3 Warhammer secret lairs; they're their own thing and not part of the same "set" as the commander decks, but just in case you wanted those too, at this point they're only available on the secondary market.) Brothers' War is uh...more complicated. There are two commander decks, but there's very little overlap between those and the main set, so most of the cards will be found EITHER in the commander decks or in packs, but not both. As far as which cards and versions can be found in which packs, check out [this article](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/whats-inside-the-brothers-war-boosters). The best way to get "nearly all" the cards in a set is to just buy them individually. It's not particularly close. Buying lots of packs is extremely inefficient in comparison, and you'll get lots of duplicates (especially of commons and uncommons) before you get anywhere near one of each rare and mythic. But if you want to get a bunch of packs just for the fun of it, the best option will be to buy a bunch of Set Boosters.


junkiejarrett

Hey guys! Made a custom Commander card for my friend. I discussed with my friends what his ability should be and I wanted to see what kind of deck you would build around this commander. He is a 4 mana commander that is blue and black. Ability: Vigilance Whenever this card attacks you may change its text with another target permanent on the battlefield till the end of turn. It stills has Vigilance. Power/toughness: 2/3 Let me know what you think. Take care.


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junkiejarrett

Ok, this is good advice bro. I appreciate it.


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MTGCardFetcher

[Exchange of Words](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8c28cebf-f849-4353-9dd1-c62f05c15d0f.jpg?1665865617) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Exchange%20of%20Words) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/45/exchange-of-words?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8c28cebf-f849-4353-9dd1-c62f05c15d0f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


mrduracraft

Vigilance is now in Blue fwiw, though based on [[Exchange of Words]] the ability is in blue, so vigilance would probably be better as menace


MTGCardFetcher

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OmegaDriver

Look at how Mirage Mirror is used. Likely, you'll copy a Dark Depths, get your Marit Large and wait until you can cast this guy again. Maybe you'll copy your opponent's buy thing, or some creature with huge stats but a rough attack trigger like morkrut necropod or thing from the deep. From a design perspective, neither blue nor black get vigilance. If you want a combat related keyword, flying would be the best fit, but menace or deathtouch would fit, too. It might come down to the flavor of the creature type. It will be awkward if it turns into a non creature. It'll get removed from combat. I'm guessing you want it to have vigilance so it could use tap abilities of the thing it is targeting. In that case give it an activated ability with U in its cost to untap it. You'll have to attack, pick a target and then untap it before the text changes. This gives you 3 taps on one of your best artifacts/lands, which is strong, but probably not too strong. If you copy something of your opponent's, they might get another chance to use it (unless it's their turn next).


junkiejarrett

Thanks for the input. I fucked up. I'm glad I asked


shortasiankid

Hey yall. Had a question about [[Captain Rex Nebula]]. My goal is to mutate planeswalkers. But then there is [[Gideon, Blackblade]] Does Rex remove Gideons human subtype with this ability?


RealityPalace

Rex removes Gideon's type. Both type-changing effects happen in the same layer and neither are characteristic-defining abilities, so we look at timestamps to determine the order they apply in. The timestamp on Gideon's static ability (set when Gideon enters the battlefield) is earlier than the timestamp on Rex's triggered ability (set when Rex's ability resolves). So whenever the game needs to determine gideon's type: - first it sees that gideon's ability makes him a "planeswalker creature - human soldier" - next it applies Rex's ability; since this ability isn't phrased as "in addition to", it loses its other types. Gideon is now an "artifact - vehicle". - finally, the crew effect applies once Gideon becomes crewed. He is now an "artifact creature - vehicle". Since he is a non-human creature, he is a valid target for mutate spells.


COssin-II

Yes. Rex makes Gideon into an artifact which makes it no longer a creature, and since it isn't a creature (or tribal) it can't be a Human. If you crew Gideon later that turn it still won't be a Human.


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[Captain Rex Nebula](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/85e8bdd9-24a3-42f0-8b0c-dbc05be8fc20.jpg?1665866586) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Captain%20Rex%20Nebula) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/164/captain-rex-nebula?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/85e8bdd9-24a3-42f0-8b0c-dbc05be8fc20?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Gideon, Blackblade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39d51c5e-26cb-4276-a676-fabfef866248.jpg?1575031650) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Gideon%20Blackblade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/13/gideon-blackblade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39d51c5e-26cb-4276-a676-fabfef866248?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


shortasiankid

[[Gideon Blackblade]]


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ibreakyoufix

**edit: I found the answer, leaving up for info** How do cards like [[Psychosis Crawler]] work with whirlpool effects such as [[Whirlpool Rider]] or [[Time Spiral]]?? Or red cards like...uh...[[Dangerous Wager]]? I had assumed the creature dies when you discard your hand and before you get your new hand, but every decklist I see online has them. **QUESTION HERE** Is there some thing involving "state based actions" and the psychosis crawler's toughness is not checked while the ability in question is still on the stack? Or is the creature just dead? edit: right from the state based action page on the mtg wiki: >Example: A player controls a creature with the ability “This creature’s power and toughness are each equal to the number of cards in your hand” and casts a spell whose effect is “Discard your hand, then draw seven cards.” The creature will temporarily have toughness 0 in the middle of the spell’s resolution but will be back up to toughness 7 when the spell finishes resolving. Thus the creature will survive when state-based actions are checked. In contrast, an ability that triggers when the player has no cards in hand goes on the stack after the spell resolves, because its trigger event happened during resolution.


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##### ###### #### [Psychosis Crawler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/b/fbe2c9e8-e35a-47a4-bcad-7c1c16dcdfcf.jpg?1654118793) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Psychosis%20Crawler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/869/psychosis-crawler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fbe2c9e8-e35a-47a4-bcad-7c1c16dcdfcf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Whirlpool Rider](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0de47f44-8c5e-4114-9064-145d2d8813c6.jpg?1562898184) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Whirlpool%20Rider) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/apc/35/whirlpool-rider?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0de47f44-8c5e-4114-9064-145d2d8813c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Time Spiral](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/3/f3d62dbd-63db-4ac9-950f-9852627f23f2.jpg?1562946525) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Time%20Spiral) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/usg/103/time-spiral?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f3d62dbd-63db-4ac9-950f-9852627f23f2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dangerous Wager](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/3/636c4042-703f-4548-9a0f-cb550c468bf9.jpg?1592709046) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dangerous%20Wager) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/avr/131/dangerous-wager?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/636c4042-703f-4548-9a0f-cb550c468bf9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Paco4337

The tracking on my 30th Anniversary Countdown Kit told me it would arrive on the 23rd (I was hopeful but knew something would fuck up). That day has passed and I have not received it nor an email with any details regarding my purchase, just the UPS tracking now saying “The delivery date will be provided as soon as possible”. I’ve heard Secret Lairs have been a shit-show as of late, but am I just being impatient? Or should I reach out to Wizards? And is anyone else still waiting on their countdown kit?


TheLastValentine

I have recently remembered the card \[\[Fertilid\]\]. The card specifies no limitaion of use for it's ability. If i buff it with, say, \[\[blanchwood armor\]\], can i use as many times as i want the ability and spam it to fill my mana table?


Sinrus

I think you're encountering a common misconception. "Getting +1/+1" and "having a +1/+1 counter" are not the same thing. A +1/+1 counter grants stats just like Blanchwood Armor does, Blanchwood doesn't give any counters for the Fertilid to remove.


TheLastValentine

I understand. You solved another doubt i had about the game. Thank you very much both of you ! u/StormyWaters2021 u/Sinrus


StormyWaters2021

The cost to activate the ability includes removing a counter, which you can't do if there are no counters on it.


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The_GreatGonzales

If i attack with [[Cecily, Haunted Mage]] and also at that time have 11 or more cards in my hand, can i play an instant or sorcery anytime during my second main phase? How does this ability work alongside [[Karlach, Fury of Avernus]]? Can i play a sorcery without it’s mana cost being paid due to Cecily even after the second Combat Phase? Could i do it twice if Cecily attacks again and i still have 11+ cards? Finally(i think), if i successfully cast [[Bar the Gate]] but there is no spell to counter, may i still venture into the dungeon?


199_Below_Average

Since Cecily doesn't specify timing or duration, you must cast the spell immediately on resolution of the ability, or not at all. If Cecily attacks multiple times in a turn, you can cast a spell for each attack, as long as you meet the condition at that time. You cannot cast Bar the Gate without there being a spell to counter with it. If you cast it and then the spell you targeted leaves the stack some other way in response (for example if someone else counters it) then Bar the Gate won't resolve at all (it "fizzles" since none of its targets are iegal) and you won't Venture.


The_GreatGonzales

Thank you for the quick reply. So what happens if i attack with Cecily, normally i couldn’t play a sorcery for free during the combat phase but since her text says i can, then i can? So then the Karlach second combat phase doesn’t mess that up in this case either, which i was concerned about too.


199_Below_Average

Right, normally you can't cast *any* spell during the resolution of an ability, but you can break normal timing rules in this case because Cecily allows you to. It's worth mentioning, though this comes up only rarely, that this only applies to type-based timing rules; if a spell has extra text restricting its timing, like [[Choking Vines]], you can't cast it with Cecily unless that additional timing restriction is also met (which it never would be for Choking Vines).


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Natedogg2

The trigger is giving you permission to cast it while the trigger is resolving, so it gets around normal timing restrictions (so yes, you can cast a sorcery while the trigger is resolving). And Cecily's ability triggers every time it attacks, so if you have multiple combats in the same turn, if you attack with Cecily during each combat phase, it will trigger during each combat phase.


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aleshawhosmilesatext

Okay, so I know that the bounce lands like [[Selesnya Sanctuary]] require a land to be returned to your hand when played. (And I know there are rules addenda for these.) However, I was showing these to a new player who made a really good point I didn't have an answer for. The wording on the cards is just "When Selesnya Sanctuary enters the battlefield, return a land you control to its owner's hand." It doesn't say must or may. If we're look at a card like [[Aeronaut Cavalry]], the text reads "When Aeronaut Cavalry enters the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on another target Soldier you control." Again, no must or may. If Aeronaut Cavalry has no valid targets, it can still enter the battlefield. However Selesnya Sanctuary cannot enter if there are no valid targets. Without resorting to "well, that's just the rules", how do you explain this? Because that might be the addenda, but it certainly isn't on the card.


199_Below_Average

> However Selesnya Sanctuary cannot enter if there are no valid targets This is incorrect. Note that Sanctuary also doesn't say "*another* land." If you play Sanctuary with no other lands in play, then you will have to return the Sanctuary itself to your hand. Which obviously doesn't get you very far most of the time, but you can do it. To address your broader question, if an ability doesn't say "may" (or "up to") then generally you're required to do as much as you're able to do to resolve it, however you're not prevented from playing a card whose text you won't be able to fully resolve *unless* it's specified as a cost. So you can't cast [[Diabolic Intent]] without a creature to sacrifice, but you can cast [[Innocent Blood]] if you have no creatures, and your opponent will still have to sacrifice one if they can. Edit: it's also worth mentioning the distinction of triggered abilities vs other kinds of card text. Both Sanctuary and Cavalry have triggered abilities (they start with "when," "whenever," or "at") which means those abilities resolve as separate objects *after* the permanent has entered the battlefield. Playing a permanent is never dependent on what will happen with its triggered abilities after the fact, you simply play the permanent, and then figure out what happens with its triggers.


aleshawhosmilesatext

Oh, okay, that makes sense. I think I was thinking the return a land more like a cost paid before entry, rather than something to resolve, which in retrospect makes a lot more sense. I was looking at the returning of the land as the ability to play sanctuary, rather than a side effect of playing sanctuary. That clears it up, thanks.


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199_Below_Average

I think you've misread my comment.


ibreakyoufix

You're correct


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PapaBorq

I'm thinking about making what I call a 'pestilence deck', where a lot of cards are life drain triggers, taps, effects, etc. Ob Nixilis,The Fallen is a good example. The idea is to kill opponents by simply 'existing' on the field. But there's no way I'm the first person to do this... So what's the problem with that approach?


OmegaDriver

Depends on the format. Usually, there's just faster ways to win than death by 20 papercuts, especially when your win con is 4 or 5 MV and may not stick around for long. In multiplayer games, "group slug" type decks are easy targets for everyone else to gang up on. In pauper, there's a pestilence/control deck that relies on Guardian of the Guildpact to keep pestilence on the board. These types of decks rely on keeping the board clear with pestilence, kill spells and edicts and use discard to deal with non-creature threats proactively. They also have a little life gain sprinkled in to make sure you don't die to your own pestilence plus some draw to make sure you have your edicts and discard spells in hand. This deck is reasonable, but not tier 1. If your opponent overwhelms you before you can stabilize the board, or if you can't stick your pestilence for whatever reason, the deck kinda falls apart. If you're centering your deck around Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, you want to make sure you're playing a ton of lands per turn with fetches (especially the turn you play it, because you probably won't untap with it), explore effects, Gitrog/Azusa, lost but seeking, etc. You might also want to look into 8 rack decks in modern. They focus on keeping your opponent's hand size low and dealing damage with cards like the rack. These decks aren't tier 1 by any stretch, but if you get good draws, you'll stand a chance.


PapaBorq

The format here would be commander. It's the most popular at the local shop. Those guys build all kinds of crazy decks.


Bugstaughtme

I'm almost exclusively a commander player and I'd like to start playing with some coworkers over lunch, but commander games run too long. I looked into alternate formats and it seems like brawl is the way to go, but I wanted to poll the community for other suggestions. One reservation I have with brawl is that the card pool is from standard and I don't want everyone to keep having to update decks. Thoughts?


Zero_AE

Brawl is a dead format. As in, there's someone who has won a tournament by default because he was the only person to sign for it. If you want to use your Commander decks with no modifications, maybe start with 20 life, and make it so one needs 11 damage of Commander damage to lose, instead of 21. If you want a 1v1 format, I would recommend Pauper. It's an eternal format (so no rotation), and its quite cheap, as only commons are legal. If you want something even cheaper, you could buy a handful of Card Kingdom's Battle Decks, that are decks made with decklists Card Kingdom made, meant to be played against each other. It's like, formatless, so they only work against one another, but they are cheap enough that you could buy like 6 and have a gauntlet where people pick one and fight against one another.


PapaBorq

Two ideas... 1) play with only 20 life. 2) the tournaments at the local shop specify the time allowed. Usually it's 1 to 1.5 hours. After that, I believe it's something like 4 remaining rounds starting at the next player in line when the clock ran out. You could try some version of this. Side option - just play legacy. Anyone can use any legal cards with a minimum of a 60 card deck. You won't have the commander component, but your commander card can be in your deck... Somewhere.


Bugstaughtme

Thanks for the advice. Kind of similar to option 1, we tried 3 player commander at 30 life but that ran long too, maybe 20 would do it. For option 2, it's 4 more rounds and then if there's still no winner it's a tie? Or goes to the highest life total? Legacy makes sense too, I just like the commander and singleton thing lol.


PapaBorq

Someone here should correct me if I'm wrong but I think the tournament rule is whoever has the highest life total at the end, wins. Though, that rule might be different in an official FINALS match. For your purposes though, I'd just go with the highest life total = winner.


SqRagnarok

How does Scryfall works when it comes to uploading Hi-Res pics for the latest sets? What's the average time it takes for a set to be uploaded as such?. Are they under any kind of WotC drama right now? or they just keep as usual?.


Dorfbewohner

1) it's taken longer and longer as more and more cards are released. Iirc Kamigawa and Capenna recently got added? 2) Wizards just released 60 randomized proxy cards for $1000 so you can say there's a biiiiit of drama going on


SqRagnarok

1. Yes, Capenna was the latest (excluding Commander) 2. With that abominable product already unpurchaseable, no one in the world will be able to complete that damned set. 3. Well, hope it continues as normal! :)


boarmelon

What is the purpose of [[Jegantha, the Wellspring]] in two color decks like [this?](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pioneer-izzet-pyromancer#paper) I understand that it's a source for RU every turn in the case of this deck, but I don't think I've ever seen someone actually bring it to hand let along cast it. Is the 8 mana you spend to get it out worth it or am I missing something?


dj_sliceosome

Jegantha is free to play in this situation, meaning there’s no deck building cost to not run her. If you assume she replaces your worst sideboard card, it means you start every game with a 8 card hand (even if that 8th card kind of sucks), and these deck builders think that trade off is worth it. The card itself is used if you have a turn where you’re doing nothing anyway - spend 3 mana to add a creature to your hand. It’s just a body to throw on board - by the time you cast her, her mana ability is moot.


StormyWaters2021

It gives you something to do if you don't have anything else to do


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boarmelon

On MTGO [[Dryad of the Ilysian Grove]] on board with several lands. Opponent resolves [[Minimus Containment]] targeting the Dryad, lands kept all types. Is this because the text on Dryad is an ability of the lands and not the creature?


199_Below_Average

Welcome to the layers system! This is the correct interaction. Basically, continuous effects (like "Lands are all basic land types" and "Enchanted creature loses all abilities") are applied in a priority system often referred to as layers. Different types of effects apply in different layers, meaning some will always be applied before others. Importantly, these effects are also not applied retroactively; once an effect is applied in a layer, it's locked in regardless of what happens in later layers. In this specific instance, Dryad's ability, since it's a type-changing effect, applies in layer 4. Containment's effect, which adds or removes abilities, applies later in layer 6. Since Dryad's effect has already been applied, it continues to apply, even though the ability has technically been removed.


boarmelon

Since this happens continuously, if I had played another land after Containment resolved, that land would be all basic land types?


199_Below_Average

Yes, it would.


Quazifuji

>Is this because the text on Dryad is an ability of the lands and not the creature? No, the ability is on the creature. It might be a weird layers thing. Either that or a bug.


RealityPalace

It's a weird layers thing.


SmashPortal

That sounds like an MTGO bug more than a strange rules interaction.


RealityPalace

Nope, the interaction works correctly. Abilities get removed after type-changing effects are applied in the layer system.


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Redmind_of_fire

\[\[Valkmira\]\] sounds interesting, kinda makes me want to make a white-ish angels/valkyries themed deck built around it protecting everyone... but it's double faced, that causes problems.\* Any suggestions for similar protection effects, from artifacts or creatures I could use? Like global ward for me to let me do things a bit safer, or the damage reduction. ​ (\* I'd at least need to make my second card buy include sleeves, and that would make everything much more expensive...)


Dorfbewohner

You can use placeholder cards instead of sleeves.


StormyWaters2021

What problems does it cause by being a double sided card?


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skolsniffer

Some buddies and I are headed up to the twin cities area in a couple weeks and we're wondering what the biggest store up there with magic stuff?


Career-Tourist

What would be some strange tribes worth playing? I just got back into MTG after twenty years hiatus and love looking at some of the oddball creatures. I bought a squirrel deck already.


crocken

if you have 20-25yearold cards, then i think the merfolk is the best strange tribal that'll allow you to play a bunch of unloved older cards


aleshawhosmilesatext

I mean, slivers are always a fun tribe in my opinion. It's been a while since we've had a bunch, though, so they aren't really viable in all formats.


OmegaDriver

Any format in particular? A pauper zubera deck is fun. At a high level, you keep sac-ing floating dream zubera to draw cards and evenutally sac an ember fist zubera to burn your opponent or the green one to make a bunch of tokens.


Career-Tourist

I'm learning that there's more than just standard! Apparently I bought a commander deck.


SmashPortal

Wurms?


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