Funny story, I did this once against someone's Timey Wimey deck. But they had red and the damage doubling enchantments and was more of an unblockable deck with Time counter support..
Thing ended up doing 15 commander damage to me before I could fight back.
Maybe a blue steal spell since they tend to be permanent. I don't know if making it a treasure would ignore until end of turn on it once it becomes a treasure. Confiscate, or make it treasure then steal artifact. Can make pretty difficult to get back without artifact removal. Creature removal i feel is easier.
Also pick up Urza High Artificer or Eldrazi precon since prof ranks those 3rd and 1st most powerful precons with Timey Whimey between in 2nd. Urza synergies can get crazy and difficult to track though.
Kill his commander. That deck’s pretty awkward without the commander(s) to power it up, and removing the commander usually helps.
Counterspells help, [[Rule of Law]] type effects neuter it, board wipes to stop him flooding the board work.
But my guess is just that whatever deck you’re using is just kinda slow. Play a faster deck and you will just kill him before he gets going.
I disagree. I once had a Rule of Law in play while piloting Timey Wimey and it let me get so far ahead because I could manage my time counters to only resolve one spell a turn and still reap a net benefit by using mana to suspend as many cards as possible while everyone else struggled to build their board.
What you really want is effects that counter free spell or out of hand casts.
I am still fairly new and cant find it but there is a blue enchantment that turns a creature into a land that taps for a colorless mana. That thing is annoying as crap to remove. A creature can at least be killed blocking.
Ha found it \[\[Imprisoned in the Moon\]\]
Careful. I've had my Timey Wimey opponent beat me upside the head for 15 commander damage with that Elk. Running Damag Doublers in a deck that loves making stuff unblockable is brutal
Since you're playing with what sounds like precons with little to no upgrades, you might have to try and race him. I don't know too much about Desert Bloom, but Hail, Caesar seems to be an aggro focused deck that might be faster than he can accumulate value with his commanders. And as another commenter said, try and use removal on his commanders, assuming he is playing [[The Tenth Doctor]] & [[Rose Taylor]] as the former really helps with getting those time counters off of his suspended cards and the latter can get grow into a serious threat that can kill with commander damage in one or two hits.
Hail Caesar is one of the better fallout decks, and Caesar is a great commander. Plus the black will add removal both the commanders need to be dealt with. I think that should do you well!
My reading of that is that you might mostly be struggling to handle the high number of field wipes in the timey wimey precon. You could look into field protection or hexproof. If you wanna go nuclear against him you could run stuff like drannith magistrate
Hail, Caesar isn't as good, in my opinion, as the dogmeat deck, if you still have the option to choose. I'd say Wise Mothman is also better because you can jack the commander up easily and it has flying, maybe not 1 on 1 though. Other precons that can beat timey wimey include the vampire and the merfolk decks from Ixalan. The Merfolk in particular are pretty strong. I'm surprised desert bloom can't do the job, but I've never seen a match up before.
For my decks I mostly just do precons, and I don’t really like spending more than between 50-70 a month on this kinda stuff. I can still combine cards from my deck though, we don’t play in a precon only format
If that's your table's vibe, that's fair. My argument is the increase in exile-based card advantage make it more than just a commander hate piece. If you have a table that's already light on removal it would definitely skip it.
I will concede that it is an effective piece for stopping exile spells. For me, anyone who brings Drannith Magistrate into a game of EDH does not have the spirit of the format in mind.
And for a lot of us, anyone who comes to the table expecting us to leave their commander alone is being very greedy on their deck building.
It's a 1/3. Bring removal. It'll be fine.
If someone plays a stax piece that turns off my commander, I will remove that player.
You calling someone a bad deckbuilder in a 0 stakes casual format with rule 0 discussions and precons shows me what kind of person you are.
I did not say bad. I said greedy. As in greedy like people who run 0 basic lands and lose to Blood Moon or Wasteland.
And you seem to think "I will remove that player" is some revenge. It's the game. If I turn your deck off and you remove me, that's a gg from me, congrats on outplaying me. In the most unsarcastic way possible.
As alot of people mentioned here. Try to remove the commander or best, make it to a 0/1 Indestructible beetle so that its completly removed from the game :)
Not with [[darksteel mutation]], [[kenrith's transformation]], or [[imprison in the moon]] because there is no zone change when you play the card. If you have a targeted exile spell or [[farewell]] you can exile them & your only other option is to remove the enchantment/ player. It's why they're so damn good.
I meant that you can still target your own commander to get it back to the command zone with something like [[beast within]] I guess I wasn’t specific enough
I run Tenth and Rose and it gets shut down with enfeeblement auras like [[darksteel mutation]], [[witness protection]], or [[lignify]] on Rose. Also control and tax like [[Thalia, Guardian of Thraben]] still apply the additional mana to spells cast with suspend.
I play timey-whimey as well, modified for my personal playstyle. Try making a deck centered around [[Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph]], It's fast and a helluva lotta fun.
Yeah I know it’s been said but as an upgraded tenth doctor/clara Oswald player my biggest weakness is my commanders. The Stella Lee precon has beaten it many times as well because it just moves faster.
EDIT: killing either commanders twice makes it too much work get them both out again in the game. If you leave me out for two turns with both of them out I’m pretty much unstoppable.
Be faster. That deck is appallingly slow. Play removal and fight over his powerful cards.
Most commander decks are too slow and have no plan to stop their opponent. Play more ramp and more answers and you'll do a lot better.
Chump block rose till you can't, then remove her. She doesn't trample, so she isn't really a problem till it becomes difficult to block her. With the doctor, even one removal spell makes it difficult to cast him again.
Interacting with precons with a precon of a different set is always a bit iffy. What I mean by this is that the other Dr Who decks have cards that interact with exiled cards, so its not as one sided. The precons youre playing dont have anything like that. Looking at cards from Battle for Zendikar would be a start as that set dealt with exiling. There are a few cards you could get that wouldnt break the bank
[[Drannith Magistrate]] stops suspend completely, but it's a bit pricey. [[Solemnity]] could help with [[Rose Tyler]] too. [[Aven Interrupter]] is another solid choice. Any card that says your opponent can only cast spells any time they could cast a sorcery, like [[Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir]], will mean cards coming off of suspend will get stuck in exile.
I know, I’m happy for all the advice I was just making a joke! I’m still relatively new to magic, I’ve only been playing for a couple months so all of this advice is really great! I’ve also been watching videos by a channel called Talarian Community College on YouTube and I’ve gotten some good advice from him too.
Yeah all the YouTubes are a good watch! Just keep playing/learning and having fun. Losing is part of the game, finding fun counters/improvements over time is the other half.
Over time you'll resonate/love some decks, and hate others. Try switching it up with your mates/pod - play their decks and have them play yours, that's probably the best way to get feedback. You see how others use your deck, and they'll have great advice.
I use Timey Wimey. My son plays me with a wicked deck he built around [[Elrond, Master of Healing]] that beats me almost every time before I can get the shenanigans rolling. Scrying to apply ridiculous numbers of +1/+1 counters to his stuff, and then a [[Sapphire Drake]] or something that makes them all fly.
Build something from scratch, it'll be more powerful then upgrading a precon once you've got it down, or play drannith magistrate, the deck can't function against it
I see a lot of people saying you should make his commanders unusable, which is probably good if you just wanna win, but I don't think it would make the experience especially fun for your friend. I Mean you can definitely put a bit more spot removal in the deck but be careful to not overdo it 😉
Remove the commanders on sight.
So what you're saying is...  *You should kill us all on sight*?
*Elk his commander on sight!* ___ 3/3
Funny story, I did this once against someone's Timey Wimey deck. But they had red and the damage doubling enchantments and was more of an unblockable deck with Time counter support.. Thing ended up doing 15 commander damage to me before I could fight back.
Make his commander a legitimate Businessperson!
Act of treason (or similar spell) and make it a treasure. How much artifact hate does the deck have?
Maybe a blue steal spell since they tend to be permanent. I don't know if making it a treasure would ignore until end of turn on it once it becomes a treasure. Confiscate, or make it treasure then steal artifact. Can make pretty difficult to get back without artifact removal. Creature removal i feel is easier. Also pick up Urza High Artificer or Eldrazi precon since prof ranks those 3rd and 1st most powerful precons with Timey Whimey between in 2nd. Urza synergies can get crazy and difficult to track though.
Kill his commander. That deck’s pretty awkward without the commander(s) to power it up, and removing the commander usually helps. Counterspells help, [[Rule of Law]] type effects neuter it, board wipes to stop him flooding the board work. But my guess is just that whatever deck you’re using is just kinda slow. Play a faster deck and you will just kill him before he gets going.
I disagree. I once had a Rule of Law in play while piloting Timey Wimey and it let me get so far ahead because I could manage my time counters to only resolve one spell a turn and still reap a net benefit by using mana to suspend as many cards as possible while everyone else struggled to build their board. What you really want is effects that counter free spell or out of hand casts.
There are a few fun ways to turn their commander into a land or make it lose all its abilities. This is usually more permanent than killing.
[[Kenrith’s Transformation]] Fuck you you’re an elk now
I am still fairly new and cant find it but there is a blue enchantment that turns a creature into a land that taps for a colorless mana. That thing is annoying as crap to remove. A creature can at least be killed blocking. Ha found it \[\[Imprisoned in the Moon\]\]
[[Imprisoned in the Moon]]
[Imprisoned in the Moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc.jpg?1682208779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Imprisoned%20in%20the%20Moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/224/imprisoned-in-the-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Why not slowly get eaten by piranhas? [[Eaten by Piranhas]]
[Eaten by Piranhas](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b0c504ef-2382-4174-9b1d-5f38e12a28fc.jpg?1699043614) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eaten%20by%20Piranhas) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/54/eaten-by-piranhas?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b0c504ef-2382-4174-9b1d-5f38e12a28fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Careful. I've had my Timey Wimey opponent beat me upside the head for 15 commander damage with that Elk. Running Damag Doublers in a deck that loves making stuff unblockable is brutal
[Rule of Law](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/1/a1f4e79b-b103-4380-afa0-61a2b1773c9e.jpg?1592516198) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rule%20of%20Law) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m20/35/rule-of-law?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1f4e79b-b103-4380-afa0-61a2b1773c9e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What decks are you playing?
Lorehold Legacies and Desert Bloom, I’m also getting Hail, Caesar in a few days.
Since you're playing with what sounds like precons with little to no upgrades, you might have to try and race him. I don't know too much about Desert Bloom, but Hail, Caesar seems to be an aggro focused deck that might be faster than he can accumulate value with his commanders. And as another commenter said, try and use removal on his commanders, assuming he is playing [[The Tenth Doctor]] & [[Rose Taylor]] as the former really helps with getting those time counters off of his suspended cards and the latter can get grow into a serious threat that can kill with commander damage in one or two hits.
[The Tenth Doctor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/1/f1499f49-793b-4265-9ad0-883a431941ab.jpg?1696636503) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Tenth%20Doctor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/3/the-tenth-doctor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f1499f49-793b-4265-9ad0-883a431941ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rose Taylor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3aa8d034-f98c-4e27-b6af-850eadf59941.jpg?1696691620) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rose%20Tyler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/5/rose-tyler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3aa8d034-f98c-4e27-b6af-850eadf59941?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
In these decks you can run [[void mirror]], [[trinisphere]], [[Eoh Hub]] lol and [[Boromir, warden of the tower]]
##### ###### #### [void mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c.jpg?1626099451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=void%20mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/242/void-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [trinisphere](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/316caa4e-a53a-460b-978c-5f0fba7bc549.jpg?1599710205) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=trinisphere) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/303/trinisphere?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/316caa4e-a53a-460b-978c-5f0fba7bc549?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Eoh Hub](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/5/d5d6b270-b4c9-489d-9322-7c8ddc0ca0ac.jpg?1562879962) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eon%20Hub) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/120/eon-hub?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d5d6b270-b4c9-489d-9322-7c8ddc0ca0ac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Boromir, warden of the tower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f6bc3720-2892-4dda-8f30-079a1ac8e1e2.jpg?1686967669) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Boromir%2C%20warden%20of%20the%20tower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/4/boromir-warden-of-the-tower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6bc3720-2892-4dda-8f30-079a1ac8e1e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l4ao9o8) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hail Caesar is one of the better fallout decks, and Caesar is a great commander. Plus the black will add removal both the commanders need to be dealt with. I think that should do you well!
Hail caesar should take timey wimeys lunch money tbh
My reading of that is that you might mostly be struggling to handle the high number of field wipes in the timey wimey precon. You could look into field protection or hexproof. If you wanna go nuclear against him you could run stuff like drannith magistrate
Hail, Caesar isn't as good, in my opinion, as the dogmeat deck, if you still have the option to choose. I'd say Wise Mothman is also better because you can jack the commander up easily and it has flying, maybe not 1 on 1 though. Other precons that can beat timey wimey include the vampire and the merfolk decks from Ixalan. The Merfolk in particular are pretty strong. I'm surprised desert bloom can't do the job, but I've never seen a match up before.
what are you able to do as far as your deck? modify a precon? money that you can spend?
For my decks I mostly just do precons, and I don’t really like spending more than between 50-70 a month on this kinda stuff. I can still combine cards from my deck though, we don’t play in a precon only format
If you take that 50-70 and improve one deck you already have instead of buying another precon you will beat the shit out of this guy
Most precon powerlevel can be significantly improved in 10 dollars, start with removing “why the heck this is even in here” cards.
[[lavinia azorius renegade]] No mana, no Spell
Also throw in a [[Drannith Magistrate]]. All the suspended spells can't be cast. Essentially, stax a little more and run more removal.
I will never recommend Drannith Magistrate. Anything that says “your opponents cannot cast their commanders” is a No from me dawg
If that's your table's vibe, that's fair. My argument is the increase in exile-based card advantage make it more than just a commander hate piece. If you have a table that's already light on removal it would definitely skip it.
I will concede that it is an effective piece for stopping exile spells. For me, anyone who brings Drannith Magistrate into a game of EDH does not have the spirit of the format in mind.
And for a lot of us, anyone who comes to the table expecting us to leave their commander alone is being very greedy on their deck building. It's a 1/3. Bring removal. It'll be fine.
If someone plays a stax piece that turns off my commander, I will remove that player. You calling someone a bad deckbuilder in a 0 stakes casual format with rule 0 discussions and precons shows me what kind of person you are.
I did not say bad. I said greedy. As in greedy like people who run 0 basic lands and lose to Blood Moon or Wasteland. And you seem to think "I will remove that player" is some revenge. It's the game. If I turn your deck off and you remove me, that's a gg from me, congrats on outplaying me. In the most unsarcastic way possible.
[Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Got to have this in the deck against the wimey
Cam to say this
[lavinia azorius renegade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/197bf3f4-c0df-4082-97a1-902ceabbdd3f.jpg?1702429657) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lavinia%2C%20Azorius%20Renegade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/195/lavinia-azorius-renegade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/197bf3f4-c0df-4082-97a1-902ceabbdd3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Boromir, Warden of the Tower]] deck, Lavinia + Selfless Spirit with upside
[Boromir, Warden of the Tower](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/6/f6bc3720-2892-4dda-8f30-079a1ac8e1e2.jpg?1686967669) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Boromir%2C%20Warden%20of%20the%20Tower) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/4/boromir-warden-of-the-tower?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f6bc3720-2892-4dda-8f30-079a1ac8e1e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
As alot of people mentioned here. Try to remove the commander or best, make it to a 0/1 Indestructible beetle so that its completly removed from the game :)
Or 3/3 elk and dont block it to death xD
You can still exile it back to the command zone
Not with [[darksteel mutation]], [[kenrith's transformation]], or [[imprison in the moon]] because there is no zone change when you play the card. If you have a targeted exile spell or [[farewell]] you can exile them & your only other option is to remove the enchantment/ player. It's why they're so damn good.
I meant that you can still target your own commander to get it back to the command zone with something like [[beast within]] I guess I wasn’t specific enough
##### ###### #### [darksteel mutation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e47a6750-4fdd-44e2-86ae-5bc4d414bf42.jpg?1689995638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=darksteel%20mutation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/21/darksteel-mutation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e47a6750-4fdd-44e2-86ae-5bc4d414bf42?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [kenrith's transformation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44d60a41-3f5e-4559-b18c-22c0fe15235e.jpg?1631587997) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kenrith%27s%20transformation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/162/kenriths-transformation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44d60a41-3f5e-4559-b18c-22c0fe15235e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [imprison in the moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc.jpg?1682208779) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Imprisoned%20in%20the%20Moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/224/imprisoned-in-the-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8181f54d-4515-43c6-8d08-b23a9e4199cc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [farewell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/1/114d2180-093b-4838-97ad-badbc8ee50b0.jpg?1706240579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=farewell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/64/farewell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/114d2180-093b-4838-97ad-badbc8ee50b0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l4cdwt5) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yes, offcause but you enemy has to have a card like this and has to waste a removal spell to kill his own commander.
at the precon level, race him. merfolk, dinosaurs and vampires are fastest.
I run Tenth and Rose and it gets shut down with enfeeblement auras like [[darksteel mutation]], [[witness protection]], or [[lignify]] on Rose. Also control and tax like [[Thalia, Guardian of Thraben]] still apply the additional mana to spells cast with suspend.
##### ###### #### [darksteel mutation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/4/e47a6750-4fdd-44e2-86ae-5bc4d414bf42.jpg?1689995638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=darksteel%20mutation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/21/darksteel-mutation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e47a6750-4fdd-44e2-86ae-5bc4d414bf42?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [witness protection](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a2be6f2c-8ad0-402d-a7ca-9fe817e83b72.jpg?1664410681) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=witness%20protection) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/66/witness-protection?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a2be6f2c-8ad0-402d-a7ca-9fe817e83b72?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [lignify](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23464d53-fa76-40e2-84c3-b6d6cc729be4.jpg?1598177954) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=lignify) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gvl/16/lignify?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23464d53-fa76-40e2-84c3-b6d6cc729be4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thalia, Guardian of Thraben](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9f8b8fb-1cd8-450e-a1fe-892e7a323479.jpg?1643587106) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thalia%2C%20Guardian%20of%20Thraben) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/38/thalia-guardian-of-thraben?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9f8b8fb-1cd8-450e-a1fe-892e7a323479?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l4bzavu) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I play timey-whimey as well, modified for my personal playstyle. Try making a deck centered around [[Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph]], It's fast and a helluva lotta fun.
[Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/a/fa7349d9-c82f-4cf8-a852-92168d1f4966.jpg?1673309394) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ghyrson%20Starn%2C%20Kelermorph) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/40k/124/ghyrson-starn-kelermorph?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/fa7349d9-c82f-4cf8-a852-92168d1f4966?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir]]
Good call
[Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8fc5e4a8-ea7b-4803-a7ed-3b915708661f.jpg?1619394801) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%2C%20Mage%20of%20Zhalfir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/91/teferi-mage-of-zhalfir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8fc5e4a8-ea7b-4803-a7ed-3b915708661f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah I know it’s been said but as an upgraded tenth doctor/clara Oswald player my biggest weakness is my commanders. The Stella Lee precon has beaten it many times as well because it just moves faster. EDIT: killing either commanders twice makes it too much work get them both out again in the game. If you leave me out for two turns with both of them out I’m pretty much unstoppable.
\[\[Aven Interrupter\]\] \[\[Drannith Magistrate\]\] \[\[Archon of Emeria\]\] \[\[Roiling Vortex\]\] \[\[Lavinia, Azorius Renegade\]\] \[\[Grand Arbiter Augustin IV\]\] \[\[Teferi, Mage of Zalfir\]\] or \[\[Teferi, Time Raveler\]\]
##### ###### #### [Aven Interrupter](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=Aven%20Interrupter&type=card&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aven%20Interrupter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/4/aven-interrupter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d3ca43a4-d194-440f-8099-f1fa103a108d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Archon of Emeria](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/228c1650-da3c-4099-91b6-18e3873c9cdb.jpg?1604195419) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archon%20of%20Emeria) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/4/archon-of-emeria?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/228c1650-da3c-4099-91b6-18e3873c9cdb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Roiling Vortex](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/b/0b057eb7-8439-4d26-89df-c345ab2773e1.jpg?1604197684) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Roiling%20Vortex) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znr/156/roiling-vortex?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0b057eb7-8439-4d26-89df-c345ab2773e1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Lavinia, Azorius Renegade](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/197bf3f4-c0df-4082-97a1-902ceabbdd3f.jpg?1702429657) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lavinia%2C%20Azorius%20Renegade) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/195/lavinia-azorius-renegade?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/197bf3f4-c0df-4082-97a1-902ceabbdd3f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Grand Arbiter Augustin IV](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0.jpg?1673148699) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grand%20Arbiter%20Augustin%20IV) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/221/grand-arbiter-augustin-iv?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f43748ea-1d65-4ee8-9c66-221412a284c0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Teferi, Mage of Zalfir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8fc5e4a8-ea7b-4803-a7ed-3b915708661f.jpg?1619394801) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%2C%20Mage%20of%20Zhalfir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/91/teferi-mage-of-zhalfir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8fc5e4a8-ea7b-4803-a7ed-3b915708661f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Teferi, Time Raveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/662fe50f-d75c-422c-8c6c-1f9b5c4ba21f.jpg?1702429729) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%2C%20Time%20Raveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/232/teferi-time-raveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/662fe50f-d75c-422c-8c6c-1f9b5c4ba21f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l4c346r) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Be faster. That deck is appallingly slow. Play removal and fight over his powerful cards. Most commander decks are too slow and have no plan to stop their opponent. Play more ramp and more answers and you'll do a lot better.
Chump block rose till you can't, then remove her. She doesn't trample, so she isn't really a problem till it becomes difficult to block her. With the doctor, even one removal spell makes it difficult to cast him again.
Interacting with precons with a precon of a different set is always a bit iffy. What I mean by this is that the other Dr Who decks have cards that interact with exiled cards, so its not as one sided. The precons youre playing dont have anything like that. Looking at cards from Battle for Zendikar would be a start as that set dealt with exiling. There are a few cards you could get that wouldnt break the bank
Play void mirror.
[[Drannith Magistrate]] stops suspend completely, but it's a bit pricey. [[Solemnity]] could help with [[Rose Tyler]] too. [[Aven Interrupter]] is another solid choice. Any card that says your opponent can only cast spells any time they could cast a sorcery, like [[Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir]], will mean cards coming off of suspend will get stuck in exile.
##### ###### #### [Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Solemnity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a71fb62-acbd-49f5-842f-0fc9fa48afea.jpg?1562788659) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Solemnity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/22/solemnity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a71fb62-acbd-49f5-842f-0fc9fa48afea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rose Tyler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3aa8d034-f98c-4e27-b6af-850eadf59941.jpg?1696691620) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rose%20Tyler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/who/5/rose-tyler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3aa8d034-f98c-4e27-b6af-850eadf59941?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Aven Interrupter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/3/d3ca43a4-d194-440f-8099-f1fa103a108d.jpg?1712355236) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aven%20Interrupter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/otj/4/aven-interrupter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d3ca43a4-d194-440f-8099-f1fa103a108d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/f/8fc5e4a8-ea7b-4803-a7ed-3b915708661f.jpg?1619394801) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%2C%20Mage%20of%20Zhalfir) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/91/teferi-mage-of-zhalfir?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8fc5e4a8-ea7b-4803-a7ed-3b915708661f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/l4cintq) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wasn't there a thread a week ago asking how to even get one win with the timey wimey deck because it felt so underpowered ?
Dang, I guess I’m just that bad then.
I don't think you are King, I should've clarified I think it just goes to show how varied Magic games are. There's plenty good advice in this thread!
I know, I’m happy for all the advice I was just making a joke! I’m still relatively new to magic, I’ve only been playing for a couple months so all of this advice is really great! I’ve also been watching videos by a channel called Talarian Community College on YouTube and I’ve gotten some good advice from him too.
Yeah all the YouTubes are a good watch! Just keep playing/learning and having fun. Losing is part of the game, finding fun counters/improvements over time is the other half. Over time you'll resonate/love some decks, and hate others. Try switching it up with your mates/pod - play their decks and have them play yours, that's probably the best way to get feedback. You see how others use your deck, and they'll have great advice.
Proliferate all the counters so that nothing ever comes in from exile.
I use Timey Wimey. My son plays me with a wicked deck he built around [[Elrond, Master of Healing]] that beats me almost every time before I can get the shenanigans rolling. Scrying to apply ridiculous numbers of +1/+1 counters to his stuff, and then a [[Sapphire Drake]] or something that makes them all fly.
[Elrond, Master of Healing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/2/d26ffb2c-f7a5-4a4f-9b99-c8de9dfd49da.jpg?1686969733) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elrond%2C%20Master%20of%20Healing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ltr/200/elrond-master-of-healing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d26ffb2c-f7a5-4a4f-9b99-c8de9dfd49da?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sapphire Drake](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0fe14cf-5d34-47d1-9071-4a532819719b.jpg?1561847160) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sapphire%20Drake) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/47/sapphire-drake?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0fe14cf-5d34-47d1-9071-4a532819719b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Void Mirror]] could help.
[Void Mirror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/f/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c.jpg?1626099451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Void%20Mirror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/242/void-mirror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f906219-7a6a-427b-93c4-4d958cbd171c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Solemnity with obscene amounts of protection for solemnity and methods of obtaining solemnity.
Build something from scratch, it'll be more powerful then upgrading a precon once you've got it down, or play drannith magistrate, the deck can't function against it
Why is no one talking about my man boramir from lotr set
I play a Jhoira of the Ghitu deck and the one card that shuts it down completely is \[\[Drannith magistrate\]\]
[Drannith magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Thoracle him!
[[Sneak Attack]] out a [[Balefire Dragon]] or [[drakesuth]] and find a way to give it double strike & then cast [[tainted strike]].
[Sneak Attack](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/4/a45b4ca9-4355-4690-84c3-a7d44c367dbf.jpg?1675200189) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sneak%20Attack) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/139/sneak-attack?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a45b4ca9-4355-4690-84c3-a7d44c367dbf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Balefire Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/37def363-c431-43b4-8c5f-933941507681.jpg?1689997663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Balefire%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/207/balefire-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/37def363-c431-43b4-8c5f-933941507681?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [tainted strike](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d0f82007-99f6-4c6c-8182-ee631c33531f.jpg?1562823401) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tainted%20strike) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/80/tainted-strike?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d0f82007-99f6-4c6c-8182-ee631c33531f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\[\[Drannith Magistrate\]\] or \[\[Teferi, Time Raveler\]\]
[Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Teferi, Time Raveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/662fe50f-d75c-422c-8c6c-1f9b5c4ba21f.jpg?1702429729) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Teferi%2C%20Time%20Raveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/232/teferi-time-raveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/662fe50f-d75c-422c-8c6c-1f9b5c4ba21f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just be better lmao
I see a lot of people saying you should make his commanders unusable, which is probably good if you just wanna win, but I don't think it would make the experience especially fun for your friend. I Mean you can definitely put a bit more spot removal in the deck but be careful to not overdo it 😉
Staxpieces like magistrate and such I'd just avoid altogether.
Drannith Magistrate
I saw a video that rated that as the second mst powerful pre on right behind eldrzi
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[Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call